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Speaker 2:Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of the Project Infinite Podcast, the podcast covering the infinite and ever-expanding multiverse of venom, from movies, comics, tv shows, video games. We got you covered. I'm Rob. I'm here, as always, with court. How's it going, man?
Speaker 1:It's going great. I just got back from a globe-trotting adventure with dials, destinies and crystal skulls and the doom from Temple of Doom. It's been awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we're going to review the Indiana Jones and dialed Destiny, the latest and probably final installment in the Indiana Jones saga. This was one of the most anticipated movies of the summer. We'll talk about it because there's the movie itself obviously we're going to talk about, but also the implications of the movie, which I think may be even more important, because between this and the flash, there is an alarming trend right now of box office performances, and this one even more so than the flash. We'll talk about that and we'll talk about my question. But the flash was, you know, the biggest question I had was who was this movie for? And I think I have a similar question for this movie also, even though I think I like this movie a little bit more than the flash. I do, i do, but I still have the same question of like, who was this for? at the end of the day, that's a valid argument, yeah, and I think, again, the box office kind of reflects that. But, yeah, we'll talk about that and so much more as it relates to Indiana Jones.
Speaker 2:But first we only have really a couple bits and news. First and foremost, we got another Dune trailer. Yes, lord.
Speaker 1:Man Just operating on this level, and it's funny that we're only talking about Dune and Indiana Jones today. It's budgetary is one of my questions, but my big theme of today and my big argument that I'm going to pose is an argument of, you know, product versus art. This is really what I want to dive into today and, you know, let's just dive into this Dune trailer, because this seems like just straight art, just being presented on the grandest scale possible. I mean, one thing that you talk about all the time is budgets, as these movies, when we talk about, like you know, box office, return to how much, you know, return on investment.
Speaker 2:We'll talk about it when we talk about Indiana Jones.
Speaker 1:But you see something like this and you just see how much you know of a grand scale but just how intimate also, that it feels It just not only you know visually, but narratively it feels just very thought, it feels thoughtful, it feels respectful to the source material. This movie looks absolutely phenomenal. I mean, this looks to be, in my opinion, as it right now, this looks to be the best movie of the year. Off of just previews alone, this looks to be the best movie that could possibly come out this year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean just the trailer in general just looks like the bar has been raised from the first one, which I think was an important mark for this at least the trailers for the second one to hit, because I mean, obviously the first movie was critically just lauded and everything like that, And then, like some of the some of the criticisms of it were that it was obviously a little bit slower paced and that, you know, it felt obviously incomplete because it's a part one. So I feel like a lot of people were looking for this part two to see, like okay, are we going to kind of shift into the next gear? And I think this trailer answers to all those questions.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, yeah.
Speaker 2:Everything seems, you know, bigger, grander, more kind of accelerated compared to the first one, Like we're kind of like getting into the thick of it now, which is a really exciting prospect. I don't think, and I don't think this movie is going to disappoint in the slightest.
Speaker 1:It's something that Deni talked about that if the first one was, you know, an introduction into this world, something to get people acclimated, like we talked about when we reviewed the first one, this second movie is a straight war movie Like. This is a straight, you know, emotional, grandiose war film which I think is going to play. I think it's going to play well at the time it's coming out. And something is an important conversation that we're going to talk about is the time of these releases for these movies as well. This movie has a lot of space to breathe, in November as well. So this movie comes out November 3rd. I think they're going to try to get it in whatever film festivals in September. I think they're going to try to get it there as well.
Speaker 1:And you know, funny, we're talking about Indiana Jones. Something that was shown at Cannes was Indiana Jones. This movie feels like the one. If I needed to show one of these bigger you know these larger grand movies I would have to have. Anything this year would have been. This one is the one I would have shown with all our confidence.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, i agree, and I mean the. You know, we talked about this concept also when we talked about Avatar, right, like the first one being kind of like the world-building kind of lore movie that's, you know, obviously built up by the visual effects. Dune's not so different from that. To be honest with you. It's built upon, you know, stunning visuals and kind of building a world. And then when we talked about Avatar Way of the Water it was way more character driven, and I think the second Dune movie is also going to be more character driven, not that the first one wasn't. The first one was incredibly character driven, especially as it relates to Paul and his mom, but this one is really going to dive into a bunch of other characters, right, and I think you're looking at bigger, more action. Obviously you're looking at more character development and pretty much the same level, if not improved, visual quality, which is a recipe for, i think, something that's going to be really special On a hundred and twenty-two million dollar budget.
Speaker 1:One hundred and twenty-two million dollars to produce this is just, it feels, unreal. Same thing for the Batman. I was questioning. I was like how does this movie not cost at least 200 to 250? I knew it's 2003 and obviously the budget, if you were to equate it now, would be different. But Return of the King only costs 94 million dollars And you're paying all these A-list actors on top of that. These action set pieces in that movie. Same thing with this. This movie, to me, is what I felt watching Return of the King. Obviously, it's only a trailer, but I'm just getting a similar energy like that. This second part is the one where it's thunderous applause And this is the one that's really going to bring everybody together for just an absolutely astonishing theater experience.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's really the best way to put it. There's so much going on in this trailer that just kind of are just these touchstones of excitement. Really you're going to get your big war sequence.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I said it when we talked about the first trailer. I don't want to be hyperbolic, but the action set piece, third act from Return of the King, which had actually two third act pieces. The Battle of Arrakeen might be one of the biggest war sequences put to film. So one thing Greg Frazier, as a cinematographer, understands is scale. He knows how to shoot it for a Denean. They're working in harmony right now And that score is just absolutely phenomenal at this point too.
Speaker 2:And you're also getting what I think maybe the first movie was not lacking, but it just wasn't focused on was. you're going to get a true villain in this And a perfect antithesis to Paul as well, too.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 2:That's more of what I'm getting, because obviously the Emperor of the Sardaukar is the villain in the first one, but this one you're going to get Fade, who's like a true adversary to Paul in ways that the Emperor wasn't Right.
Speaker 1:Because he can't match him physically. It's like having Lex Luthor versus Doomsday Doomsday can physically mess with him, but the Emperor is there to be something that I think is going to be expertly played by Christopher Walken as something that the Baron says in the first movie The Emperor, he's a jealous man, but he's a dangerous jealous man. He might not be physically able to do stuff, but he can sure bring any force to bear that he may need.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so just all in all, can't wait for November. It's one of those trailers that makes you want time to pass, yeah, yeah. And then the only other thing is just some minor things. So we have Ben in a Cumberbatch who said he's going to be filming. Has Doctor Strange next year for something?
Speaker 1:Yeah, they could have hyper-excelerated. the Doctor Strange 3 is what I'm thinking. Or he's shooting stuff for Kang Dynasty, possibly, but this project is coming out in 2025, right, because he said he's shooting it next year for a project that'll come out. So I'm thinking because, remember what they said? They said they're moving up Doctor Strange 3. It's not in the timeline yet, but I think that's what he's shooting for. I think they needed to get something out for him before, because whatever he was doing in Doctor Strange 2, obviously the incursions, all the multiversal stuff is going to have to do with Kang Dynasty and Seeker Wars. If Kang Dynasty is still a movie that we're making.
Speaker 2:Yeah, That's still a question of work every day, but yeah, it's one of those things that you know. it's also why I like when we talk about when we was like Indiana Jones, because I do enjoy the future implications and the theorizing, but sometimes it's just nice to talk about a movie and not worry about any of that stuff. Because it can become quite daunting at times.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So you know, that's why I kind of like when we talk about movies like Indiana Jones, because it's like a one and done and then we just talk about the movie and then we move on, which is exactly what we're going to do now. So Indiana Jones and the Dallas Destiny releases again we talked about last week, you know just a crazy summer of movies these, week after week kind of excursions into the cinema, and it definitely feels like it's starting to take its toll on everything that's out, really, with a few exceptions, because this movie is not doing well at the box office off a budget of $295 million Insanity Man, that is. That's a big chunk of change.
Speaker 1:I mean, we could just launch into it right now and just feel that movie didn't fit. You know, i don't know how to judge these things And the one that really got me, you know, woken up to this was Ant-Man 3 is the one where I was just like where is the budget of this going to? Because it doesn't feel like it's going to. The actual movie, because I've seen movies be made for I'm talking 150 to 200 million less that look infinitely better than your movie. And that goes back to my argument that I'm going to keep hammering home is am I getting a product or am I getting something that you know some artists worked on? And it just feels like these bigger budget movies are starting to feel just like products that we keep getting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so the $295 million budget. it's made $83 million domestically, $70 million internationally, So a current worldwide return of $154 million, which is awful. There's really no other way to go about it. Just from our personal viewing experience. we went on a Wednesday night, It was late, it was a late showing.
Speaker 1:It was a last show, yeah.
Speaker 2:So it was a late showing, it was a Wednesday night, but also it was just us and then two other people in the big theater.
Speaker 1:And we just to give it a reference point we saw Spider-Man again sometime in that next week. It was the same thing. we went to the latest show, i think, or whatever it was, and there were still people in there, even for Transformers.
Speaker 1:I think I went the week after, so like after the release weekend, and I went on like the. I think it was like I went to the first show on like a Tuesday And there were still people in there. It wasn't anything, mind, but there was maybe like 15 people 10, 15 people in there. Like you said, there was only two other people in us in there And I think this is a good time to talk about your point. Who's this movie for?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I kind of struggle to answer that question, because I guess the best comparison to make to this movie is like in terms of like who I think they tried to make it for was Top Gun, maverick.
Speaker 2:It's probably like the best example of that Like you're making it for, like people who have a fondness for this character and this franchise and this actor and Harrison Ford, like I feel like that's what they wanted to do, but it doesn't quite get there, because I don't I mean the story in itself. We talk about this concept all the time, like they're being the bones of a good movie inside of a thing that we've seen. I think this movie definitely falls into that category, because I think there is an interesting idea of Indiana Jones, like kind of not being able to reconcile his past and how it's accepting, you know, and how it's affecting his present. Like I think that's a perfect premise, i think that's really good. I just don't think this movie leans into it enough And that's and it doesn't lean into it enough And I mean we'll talk about it in spoilers It doesn't lean into it so much that, like the ending kind of jarred me a little bit Sure And you know what.
Speaker 1:You know what doesn't help. Who's the other main character of this movie? I think that's the other thing that Phoebe Waller Bridges character doesn't help do, because you know no spoilers yet, but she's not a character that I resonate with at any that to a lot of frequency. She's not somebody that you could really connect to because they take too much time trying to build out you know, kind of They don't do enough in her past to get me to justify where she is right there, because you know there's the scoundrel mentality that Han Solo has, but he still has endearing qualities. I don't get those endearing qualities from her until five minutes left in this movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they try to make her kind of like this, obviously this younger Indiana Jones type character Exactly, but what did he have?
Speaker 1:So I in the last three, like four days, i've watched all four Indiana Jones movies plus this. I've seen every Indiana Jones movie in the last four days. And one thing you get, you know it's a great juxtaposition from the first movie. So, writers, the Hattos writer start out and then immediately goes back to the classroom. So you know he has that every man quality to him. He's very, you know, he's very, you know, understandable, recognizable. He doesn't. He's not some rich playboy, like, he's a college professor at the like, he's just a teacher. He's a teacher. That's not rich, he's not he's. He is kind of chasing a little bit of glory but you know he still has the mentality. It belongs to the museum, you know the famous line belongs to the museum, like he's doing it because you know that's his job. So there is something that's, like you know, recognizable for Indy that she just doesn't have in this movie And I think it hurts the main theme a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know, you know that it's a. It's a fine line to walk when you have a cast that's relatively small. There's not a lot of major players in it, so if, if two out of the three main players in this aren't working, it's tough Like. I think Harrison Ford is great in this movie. I think Phoebe Waller Bridges is great.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, i think her acting is is great. I think she's she's having a lot of fun. I just don't think she's written particularly well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I also don't think that the villain is written particularly well.
Speaker 1:However, I did quite like Mads Mikkelsen and you said it's Mads Mikkelsen, It's going to be tough not to like him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this was like a layup.
Speaker 1:I actually liked him better than I liked Cape Lynchette and Crystal Skull. I think this, i think it's the same archetype of a character down to the point of, like you know it's 57 and this one takes place in 69 and they're both acts you know works for Hitler for a little bit. He just has a little bit more, you know, of a besides the fact that he's a Nazi, he has a little bit more of you know that understand, like understanding of what your main villain's main point is for him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, i think you know. obviously again we'll talk about it in spoilers, but I think his kind of motivation is kind of interesting. I think it's very interesting but they don't lean into it or really reveal it until like the last, like 10 minutes.
Speaker 1:I think the best, the movie that leans into the best of the mythology and how to get it back to the, you know, to the main villains of the movie. I think it's it's last crusade understands that, you know wonderfully. I think it gets it.
Speaker 2:The last movie takes a swing.
Speaker 1:It takes the and I didn't think there was any possible bigger swing than Crystal Skull, you know, and even, to be honest, temple of Doom also had a pretty big swing to do. Temple of Doom, you know, notoriously feels the most. it's funny, like obviously Crystal Skull was 2008. This movie is should have just it should have been this or Crystal Skull, but we have both of these movies too And they just feel so much displaced. but Temple of Doom, you know, in universe thematically feels the most different, like it feels just like a very different experience, which I think is kind of cool. But yeah, talking lore, this is. it's very, very interesting. I actually, I'm actually kind of into this one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it takes, yeah, it takes a monster swing that I wasn't sure that they were going to go full.
Speaker 1:I didn't sure that they were going to go fully into it. I thought it was going to be kind of like a bait-in-sit situation where they went to the subtlety route and it was kind of, you know, like a metaphor instead of like the actual, they actually did it, yeah, but I mean, all in all, you know, i think I think the movie looks, looks quite good.
Speaker 2:I just don't think it's $295 million. Good, yeah, i'm, i'm kind of.
Speaker 1:I'm probably less on that, on that, than you, i don't. I don't think this movie looks specifically special. I think it looks. I think it looks decent. And I think it looks decent because James Mangold's there.
Speaker 1:But again, it's my theory that goes along, because I think about this with the Eternals. for some, for some points, it's like you're getting these bigger. you know these Oscar nominated and Oscar winning directors, and it just feels like Disney's nerfing them a bit to make sure they fit a certain mold for what you're going for. Cause, what did I talk about when we were walking out? I kept talking about Logan. I'm like, why did Logan feel so much different?
Speaker 1:But isn't that it's, isn't it a similar kind of concept? Like it's, you know, you have your, your older character that's done and retired and gone, and then you have, you know, your, your newer, either daughter or Sarah, get daughter character, come in And they're both capable, they're both like the older version of them. but you know they have their differences. But you know, logan just felt a little bit more raw. I think I could have used that out of this movie a little bit too, i think. my big thing is, i think Spielberg should have directed this movie himself. Obviously, he was working on the Fableman's while while this movie was being made too, and the Fableman's, obviously, is about his own life. But I just think that you're you lose a little bit of an endearing quality that even Crystal Skull had, just by having him behind the camera.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know, another thing about this movie is that kind of like, just kind of it's I mean, it's long for one Yeah.
Speaker 1:And all those, all the other four movies had a suite at two hours, two hours consistently. How long was this one? Two and a half, two and a half. You could have cut some. Yeah, you could have cut some. Yeah, it's 154 minutes.
Speaker 2:It's a little over two and a half. And the runtime isn't justified by the action sequences, because the action sequences I said to the CU were all pretty samey, like they're all pretty much the same setup, like they still they steal a thing and they do a chase and then there's a fistfight.
Speaker 1:It's funny how you know it feels like they're almost have to be, you know, into the written contract Like you need to somehow be. You know this big CGI act fest when you that's not what the first three, obviously you know once you hit Temple and then once you hit LA, at LA there was definitely CGI but there was something about the practicality of each situation shot. Planning on days is something that Spielberg was notorious for, that you know. You just kind of feel lost And again it's going to. my point of like is this this feels like a studio movie and a lot of turns, which is just super unfortunate for where you know Raiders and Temple of Doom and LA were, and even bits of Crystal Skull.
Speaker 2:Yeah, i mean so. I mean all in all. I saw the scene when we left. That movie was okay. Yeah, i mean you know there's a.
Speaker 1:There's a decent amount of good stuff about this movie too. Like you said, harrison Ford is great. I like the lore of this one particularly. I think it's actually pretty interesting. It also that ending as well, too. Thematically, i think it's pretty. It's pretty strong.
Speaker 2:And I think it's very.
Speaker 1:It's very endearing as well to Indy. It's a love letter essentially to him And it's something that doesn't happen a lot. It's like an allegorical, you know, type of theme too, because it's like it's not only the plot but it's Indy himself like it's like you know, before we dive into spoilers like it's everything he's kind of worked for And not only that he worked for it that he evolved to, because he isn't the same character that he was in Raiders to Temple, to last crusade, to Crystal Skull, to this. So I think it shows a really good evolution of his character too, but it also doesn't portray anything that came before him. So yeah.
Speaker 2:So I think, like just surrounding the character of Indiana Jones, this movie is quite good Yeah, and you know, the actual movie itself, like the actual mechanics of the movie I don't like, are particularly strong, and then I just don't think the other characters kind of rise to the occasion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I mean again, i made my point and this it pertained to comic book movies when I was talking about it, but it now it feels just general, like the, the idea of like the film, and you know, cats off to Tom Cruise and you know I'll say it again, he's kind of been one of the only ones. That's like it needs to be quality filmmaking. It can't just be like this is a Disney product, we're going to market it as a Disney product and it's going to sell. You can't get away with that anymore. It can't just be a Warner Brothers product, it's just going to sell.
Speaker 1:Like the filmmaking itself needs to now because people are more aware of it. I feel like the idea of movie magic, the veil is kind of being, like you know, lifted a little bit because everybody kind of knows practicality, like you know, that whole type of movie magic, like everybody grew up out of that now, so we kind of have access to know how everybody did, does everything. So now it needs to just be at a high level. I mean John Wick is a good example of it too Like your filmmaking was so strong where your narrative didn't need to be overly complicated. Same thing with Topka Maverick. Same thing with The Mission Impossible from the early reviews. So something like this, like not to use the word inexcusable just it doesn't feel like again, why does this movie need to be $300 million? And if it is, then why does it look like this if it's $300 million?
Speaker 2:Yeah, not to get all like anti big corporation, but between this, like between this being owned by Disney and the flash being owned by Warner Brothers, like I said this to you last night when we saw it, like at times this movie felt like Disney just threw, like Indiana Jones, into an AI generator and popped out of script.
Speaker 1:Yep, they gave us a product and they were like and you know, it was something that I was tricked by once this movie got announced It was the idea that James Mangold was going to take this. I was like, good idea, yeah, it was to James Mangold. He's already done a story like this too, and I think that he's a really phenomenal filmmaker, so I think that was what it was going to work. We're getting John Williams back, but it's not just about the director You stick to it It's about all the personnel you have on it. It's about the studio that you're working for now too. So it just feels like, you know, disney's kind of in a. They're in a tough spot. They're obviously they're not going to be anywhere near where Warner Brothers is right now, but they are in a difficult kind of realm right now because every avenue.
Speaker 2:you talk about their Star Wars stuff, we talk about the Marvel stuff, and now this.
Speaker 1:The only outlier was Guardians of the Galaxy from this year. And why is Guardians of the Galaxy so incredible? Because they just gave it to James Gunn. They said you know, james said practicality we're going to use. Our narratives are going to be very strong, very heartfelt, very thought out, and that's when you game ball games. We're lacking a better term right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So all in all, like I said, this movie's, this movie's fun. It's not awful, i didn't hate it, It's, you know it's pretty good. Like I said, i just think it's a little too long. But all in all, the performances are good. The performances are good across the board, the character design much less so, besides that of Indiana Jones, and I do think that Phoebe Wallerbridge's character has some late game character development that I could have used, probably like an hour sooner, and then that probably would have made the end of the movie, the back end of the movie, that much stronger. And then Mads and Michaels. In just doing Mads and Michaels in things, i think it's just a great in terms of like inserts.
Speaker 1:he is a great insert into a franchise Like this because he's familiar with he's. I mean, he's one of the most iconic actors of playing villains in Hollywood history at this point in his career too, so he's a great insert. I think he plays Wall off of Harrison and everybody else too. I like his henchman from the Sandman and Logan was in there, which I thought he's my favorite part about that guy is he's all about that action.
Speaker 1:He's on 100. Every single he steps into, which is great. I can't remember his name, but he's great. The Goons did feel very boy at Holbrook. Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah, the Goons did feel very original trilogy Indiana Jones, to which I appreciate it. Especially the big guy. The big guy, yep, every, every ending movie needs the. He's the big guy where you can't just punch him straight up. Yeah, but yeah, oh man. So let's launch this spoiler. This is going to be just out of order.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Just this part. But when the two guys pulled up with the source, i wish you would have shot both of them Now. I would have been the perfect callback to to Raiders.
Speaker 2:But yeah, i mean jumping into jumping into spoilers, i mean time travel. Yeah, time travel.
Speaker 1:We're doing the time travel And we're actually doing the time travel. Like I said, i didn't think there was going to be a bigger swing than interdimensional aliens, but sure, let's just do actual time travel. So this revolves around the real world. Archimedes Dial from Syracuse, Sicily, not Syracuse, New York, And yes, this dial, that's the MacGuffin.
Speaker 1:That's the MacGuffin. We're going to rank the MacGuffins at the end of this, but yeah, it's the Archimedes Dial. It's what's the thing It's like. Instead of it being straight up time travel, it will get you to a point on earth where you can transport, you can go through a portal to a certain period, a preset period of time. So, instead of what did they go to? they were like we need to go to. Basically, the plan that Mads Mikkelsen has is I'm going to go back in time. I thought this was the most interesting point for a villain. This was so interesting. Yeah, me too. So, and he's just like what are you going to do? You're going to kill Churchill, you're going to kill Heisenhower. He's like, no, i'm going to kill Hitler and we're going to do this right.
Speaker 2:And I was like because it's you know, it's a callback to, kind of a throwaway line in the beginning of the movie, where where Mads Mikkelsen's character says Hitler lost the war.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's just like and then again at the end of the, at the beginning of the second act in the movie, same thing. Once it goes into the big, you know landing parade, like the the moon parade, that happens. He asked the waiter that comes and delivers the room service, like you know, hitler lost the war. Like if it wasn't for Hitler we would have won the war. And I was just like all right, man, this is 1969, though, so I'm just going to get out of here. But I forget which are Werner, ron Braun is who Mads Mikkelsen's character is based off of, used from Project Paperclip. So German scientists, absorbed by the, by the American government, help them, you know, win the space race. So to them he's like royal too. So they're like we're going to give you whatever you want. You can globetrot across the the world if you want, kind of unchecked, we have that. I actually quite liked the CIA agent. I forget what her name was. I actually quite liked her character.
Speaker 2:I was waiting for her to like do something else, and then she just dies, was killed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, antonio Banderas waiting for. you know, and Antonio Banderas in this movie did not need to be some you know insanely complex, complex character or anything Same concept. He's just there and gets killed, which in any other circumstance I probably would have been like good, you're showing the. You know the formula, like the, how formidable the opponent is, but in this one it just felt like these characters were just there to be wasted, essentially.
Speaker 2:And it's also the Antonio Banderas character dying leads to like one of the more confusing moments, And it's probably this is immediately, it's like my biggest, my biggest issue with with.
Speaker 1:I'm just going to call her one that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, hell in a shot, Hell in a shot.
Speaker 1:So Toby Jones is in this movie. Toby Jones plays, you know, andy's companion for the beginning part of this movie, and there it's 1944. It's the end of, it's near the end of World War Two. It's funny.
Speaker 2:You mentioned a CGI act fest, because that's what the first half hour of this movie is. It's entirely DH, harrison Ford doing an old Indiana Jones adventure. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yep, so they are. they're not even after the dial of destiny. They're after, or they after, they're after the the spear the spear that that was used to to cut Christ.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a thing that's used as a MacGuffin and across a multitude of media, it's the spear destiny, basically.
Speaker 1:So they find out it's a fake and the head guy, the head general guy, is just like all right, well, now we're going to get killed when we go back to Hitler, because he's going to be mad. And then Mads Mikkelsen's character is just like it's fine, because just get me the dial and you know he's going to be happy. And then he realized he's just like the fears, he's not going to care about some dial. Mads Mikkelsen, i think that's when he has his heel turned. He's like he's actually an idiot that doesn't know anything. Like I can make sure we go back and actually win this war. So yeah they. he runs into Indy in classic romps, gets kicked off the train, they get saved. Good job, 1969. Yeah.
Speaker 2:What do you think of the extended D age sequence?
Speaker 1:I thought it was just going to be the shots from the trailer and it was just going to be a reference point to use. And you know, once we get to 69, it just it didn't look great after like the first one as soon as, like you know, the trailer bit like where the hood comes off. I'm like that actually looks pretty solid, really good. And then he started moving. I said uh-oh, this isn't, this isn't as good as it was before.
Speaker 1:And obviously he has old man Harrison Ford voice which is also puzzling, which I don't know why they couldn't have remixed his like they do with Mark Hamill. They did it really well with Mark Hamill in the season three or season two of the Mandalorian, it's like, or in Book of Boba. My bad, oh no, you did it, i did, i did do it. But yeah, whatever they did with Mark Hamill in season or, jeez, in season one of Book of Boba Fett.
Speaker 2:Also, but what they did with Vader in the Obi-Wan series?
Speaker 1:also And then I mean the biggest ones that we talked about walking out of the theater was Samuel L Jackson and Captain Marvel and Michael Douglas and Ant-Man 1 and 2, like those look, you know, as if I'm watching a movie from the 80s. for both of them, versus, this just feels like, you know, just a CGI person running around, But, like you said, old man's like and again.
Speaker 2:I can tell like he went for it. Oh yeah, that's something I was expecting He did go for, like he did try to sound like young Indiana Jones, which is, you know, credit to him like for giving that a whirl, but you could still tell.
Speaker 1:You know what he's missing out of his? it's the solitude. There was something that was very like. It was like a calming tone a little bit in his voice.
Speaker 2:He's missing the 80s Harrison Ford, like that suave, kind of scoundrel sounding voice that he had in the 80s With Han Solo and, you know, indiana Jones, like he had that kind of like youthful exuberance, obviously, that he doesn't have anymore, being an 80 year old man. So but I mean, yeah, he went for it, he did try to sound like and at times I think he he did hit it, yeah.
Speaker 1:I think he did.
Speaker 2:There were times where he did sound like young Indiana Jones.
Speaker 1:So I just unfortunate that this like and again I just I spoiled myself because I watched the other four and, like you know, even not counting Crystal Sculls, let's just talk about one through three, like just the sequences. And I mean we had, we had a train sequence in the beginning of Last Crusade, that was all that was, you know, 95% practical. And then we have a train sequence here, that's, you know, 95% CGI.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's one of my biggest kind of complaints about this movie is, i feel like every other Indiana Jones movie has kind of like an iconic kind of action sequence like the boulder. the boulder, you said the train, and this one doesn't really have one.
Speaker 1:No, I mean, i think the one that they were trying to go for was the Morocco sequence, which I, i mean I'll spoil it now. I think that is the best action set piece of this movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, i'd agree with that. It just you know I is it gonna hold up against the other?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's the insert shots of people feels very again AI jet like making sure you just get a reaction shot and just Hort like bad CGI background behind the moving leg. It's just. It just makes me wish that, like you know the people working on, like John Wicker, like you know What Christopher and query and Tom Cruise and team are doing in the mission, and possibly those people should, why are these people not being Got gotten by like your Warner Brothers or your your Disney's? like those are the people that you want working on your movies.
Speaker 2:Yeah and yeah, like you said, we got this extended half hour CGI pre pre Indiana Jones sequence. And then we Morph to the present day, which is the 1960s, and Indiana Jones He's, he's grumpy gramps Harrison Ford.
Speaker 1:So we found out a couple things. Marion left him because Shia LaBeouf's mutt Williams was killed in the Vietnam War. Good, which does lead into the best and most emotional scene in this movie. Later, about an hour and a half later in this movie.
Speaker 1:But Yeah, but instead Marion's gone, so he's by himself. He moved to New York, obviously because the end of the end of last crusade, obviously he's fired. So, yeah, he's in New York. He, what? I? where'd he go to? It wasn't. Where did he go? I forget what school he went to. It's a real school. But yeah, he's retiring, it's it's, it's it for him. So he's done. We landed on the moon and one thing I really like is like That all that magic's gone from his classroom and you can feel like nobody's interested. Everybody cares about. You know the, the moon day, it's moon day today. Nobody cares. Parade Yeah, there's parade, it's parade inside my city. Nobody cares. So yeah, he's just, he's doing his thing, he's teaching, and there's just some woman up top That's just acts, actually answering all those his questions. Boom, it's, uh, it's it's telling a shot. Yeah, on the show.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's a.
Speaker 1:She's his goddaughter. Don't know when that happens, so I get. This is another point. Obviously these movies need Franchises run this long the insert exposition How do you feel about? because I feel like he's known so many people that like even saw us in this movie too. Like how is none of that? his kids and he's great godfather. But she magically is like it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I said this whole plot Revolving her and him was very confusing to me. It felt very kind of yeah, like it feels artificial. I do understand that she feels like also, honestly, just like personally speaking, i don't know that many people that are like that attached to, like their godparents, right where, like you abandoned me, like when my father died, like you were supposed to be the one that that kind of took up the mantle of my dad.
Speaker 1:They even dive into that in this movie. That. I know that that wasn't her problem actually, so that's that is a problem in of itself.
Speaker 2:So and then like, yeah, i mean this. This first sequence with them is one of the the handful of times she, like double, crosses in and like Dicks him over right.
Speaker 1:So this is where we find out that she is. Actually. She's kind of a thief. She's like a con artist, essentially so. She is smart, though Her father did teach teacher everything that he knows, so she's she's still a genius. She is an archaeologist, just like her father and just like Indy. However, she's in it for the. She's in it for the money. That's her whole character. How long is this movie? two and a half hours. This for two hours and 20 minutes. That's her old character. She's in it for the money. She makes sure that she lets us know Not good writing.
Speaker 2:She's not says it like I'm only in this for, like, okay, we understand that like and then like her like sidekick kid also says like I thought we were only doing this for the money. Yeah, like he says that like a couple times.
Speaker 1:And that kid's just short round. Yeah, and I and I told you walking out of the theater If everything everywhere all at once would have came out before, like if it would have hit the popularity before this movie started, felt like, got like the script written, then key He called 100%, would have been like without question would have been in this movie and then you know, kind of the.
Speaker 2:What we were talking about when we talk about like this movie not having a lot of memorable sequences is The rest of this movie up until, like, the time travel bit. It's just like the dial changing hands And then them chasing each other around. Yeah, like that's basically what the next like.
Speaker 1:Something that's so novel about the. You know, the iconic, you know, go over the map and we're traveling to, like the globe trotting. Yeah, the globe trotting feels very, not forced, but it just feels very there.
Speaker 2:You know, it feels like. It feels like fast traveling in a video game. Yeah, like we need to get to the next one, but a video game that I don't have too much investment in yeah, you're just like all right now I'm here, now I'm in this place and we're doing a thing and we're doing it. That's what I mean about the action sequences. They're not diverse enough that I'm interested, right like the horse in the subway bit is interesting.
Speaker 1:But it doesn't look great.
Speaker 2:No, the Morocco bit, like you said, is very good, that's the best one and then there's the the dive sequence in the boat, and then there's the extended which was short way, shorter than I thought it was gonna be too.
Speaker 2:And then there's the cave of Dionysus Chase slash, the ending, the ending. And then there's the the time-travely bit. So like time-travely bit and the Moroccan sequence are probably the two most interesting. And then everything else is just kind of like we're getting from one plot point to another and along the way, like Nothing else is really happening.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's like there's no, there's a lot of you know Arguments and there's a lot of you know friction between Indian and have that same argument, like the whole the movie. And it's like, but it doesn't feel like. I'm not interested in that like because you're not, you're not interesting enough of a character And I don't care enough to enough to not take, you know, indie side in this, which brings us back full circle, to the Antonio Banderas moment, when you know Mads Meccalson has them dead to rights.
Speaker 2:He's got the, the cipher, he's got that, he's got the whole thing and he's like read this Indiana Jones. And he's like, no, i'm not gonna, cuz you're a Nazi first of all.
Speaker 1:So he's shooting. That was probably one of the best parts of this movie. It's just his disdain for Nazis and he's just like you're a frickin Nazis, so yeah.
Speaker 2:So he, mads Meccalson be, shoots and kills Antonio Banderas and it's like dang, like he just killed Indiana Jones's friend. And then Helena, you know, does the, she does her con artist stick. And you know She, she tips off that she's working with indie like she wants him to help her. But then they get to the boat to escape and you'd think like Okay, they're, this is resolved, like they're gonna work together now, like they're on the up and up. And then she's just kind of like makes these like crude kind of remarks, mm-hmm. And then even indie says like one of my good friends was just killed and I'm just like, and she's just like sorry, yeah, and then the movie just keeps going. It was such a tonally strange moment And I'm just like yeah, that move, that a bug me, that one, really.
Speaker 2:But and it's just like you think you would show a little bit More respect to Antonio Banderas as an actor as well too, and it just feels like he was just thrown in here to be killed like and I thought like maybe she like a perfect moment, like coming off of that, like if they were on the boat, like she should have initiated the conversation, like because that would have shown Like character, growth and development, if she was like I'm sorry about your friend like I didn't realize how dangerous.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry about your friend, but like hey, now we have the dial we can go get, and that should have been the moment. He's just like it's not about the money, like these people that I've learned. Like you know, sala, marcus, and don't even bandera, says care, like all these people.
Speaker 2:I can't remember his character.
Speaker 1:But all these people that I've met, like None of us were ever in this for the money, like we were all in this because we're trying to preserve something. And you know, in in Indy's defense, that's why I actually think the ending in this movie is pretty solid, but in her defense, that's why it hurts her character even more, which I don't know which one takes precedence, like I don't know if it out rules hit the ending being good for him or if it's underwhelming because of her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's. That's a totally fair point, like I said that, that there's so many ways that that moment on the boat could have been better, yeah, and could have been really helpful, because in.
Speaker 1:Like you know, in screenwriting and movie structuring, like that is the, that is the emotional crux right there before you go into the third act. It's like when your characters are at their lowest before they go into the third act and hit the try and for her like she's never, aside from, obviously, her father dying, which we don't know, and even the relationship that I don't buy it for one second, like I don't buy the two of them together, like as a, you know, a father and daughter.
Speaker 2:But like that would have been a good moment for her realize like this, like really what's at stake here.
Speaker 1:It's such a simple. Theme for her is like it's not about the money, like it's so and it's something Indy had to learn to, because yeah, from Raiders for India was very much like hey, i'm gonna get this and then look, i'm gonna be. It's like, and then, you know, he kind of understands like there's bigger powers that play in this stuff, so it's not all about that. It's like it's so simple, like you know, and she's got a kid with her. It's like you know, i gotta teach this kid something. And it's like for me too, like it Maybe not, might not be about the money, like why did I go to school for all these years? It's like to preserve. That's why we go to do this.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So, like I said that, that that moment of the boat really bug me. And then they get to the cave of Dionysus, they go to Archimedes, to him, and this felt very classic. Indiana Jones, this whole, the whole third act felt pretty classic, like Classic Indiana Jones like knocking out Nazis.
Speaker 1:Globe trotting like tomb raiding. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I did like the bit where they were singing in the In the cave of Dionysus, to get the echo, to feel the find out where they needed to go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they find Archimedes to them.
Speaker 1:They find out that Archimedes actually may have time travel if they were like the carvings on the, on the, on the tomb, where he's like wait a minute, that's a plane in the carvings.
Speaker 2:Indy says it's a Phoenix, like there's nothing special about it. Yeah, and she's like no, look at it again, i'm playing those are propellers, yep.
Speaker 1:and then they open up the the tomb and he's got a watch on. they were like Watch this, wait a minute, You're a watch from modern times.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that Archimedes may have actually time travel. And then the Nazis show up.
Speaker 1:And we find out that you know they're, they're the Nazis. They even put on the Nazi guard, which I quite enjoyed because it's like now Indy has plausible reason to punch every single one of these guys in the face. I don't know how the rest of them just bought in like the, because they're like Americans, like I don't know why they were like They're just, you know, i mean, there's Nazis man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, indy gets shot. Mm-hmm, how'd you feel about this? I know how to him, like at a commission for the last, like I don't know how he didn't die.
Speaker 1:For I feel like James Mangle. It's like, well, i can't do the same thing as Logan, so let me do the opposite. Let me have my main character not be able to do anything. Yeah, he's just kind of like at a commission for the last kind of feeling like it's never gonna work. You're freaking Nazis. That's not how the force works. That's what he should have said. That's not how the Nazis works.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so they get on a big, a big old, old-timey World War two. That's not how time travel works.
Speaker 1:They got a big, did actually do a lot like that, cuz he's just like the continental drift, it's not gonna work.
Speaker 2:Good stuff. they got on like an old-timey World War two plane and they're like we're gonna go kill Hitler, Yeah, and I'm like Don't know how to feel.
Speaker 1:Yeah, kill Hitler all you want, but the Nazis are still. Could win this, not good.
Speaker 2:She ends up boarding the plane her sidekick friend all the captain America one. Yeah you, her, her sidekick, fling can can also fly planes. Mm-hmm, how'd you feel about kid knowing how to fly planes? He's just short round, that's the best.
Speaker 1:He's literally just short round.
Speaker 2:And then lo and behold, like the whole, the whole conceit behind the dial is like it points you in the direction of a dimensional fissure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that you can literally just go through yeah, cuz he in the beginning the movie. They set it up, which is actually pretty decent. Like they say like what are these dates in your father's book? Like there's actual dates in here. And then they find out it's not straight-up time travel. It's like you go to this point, you go to this, you know longitude and latitude, and it's gonna open up a portal essentially to you to go to this certain date in time.
Speaker 2:So the Nazis are gonna go back to 1939 and they're gonna kill Hitler, yep. And then Eddie and John's like you're going the wrong, you're on the wrong way. Well, he's just like kind of no drift, which, like Archimedes, didn't account for kind of little drift, right? so like the point that you're shooting for could be 10 degrees, yeah any direction, Yeah you could be way off here and they're like we're going yeah, well, no, no, they try to stop it.
Speaker 1:They're just like all right, let's try to stop it, but it's too late, they're already getting sucked into it. And then they were like ah, we survived, we did it. Hitler, here We come, you're about to get murked. Dude, this ought to be good. I do. You think what I thought they were gonna do? I thought they're gonna have old indie run into running to.
Speaker 2:I.
Speaker 1:Young indie, which would have been insane. But um, they, they, so they start descending. And then you're like, oh, it's kind of bright outside for Nazi Germany And I'm like, wait a minute, those look like Roman warships. Oh, your Archimedes from the Archimedes dial, this is a good Yeah.
Speaker 2:So they full-on time traveled to your age. Insane Archimedes is there like and then, and then, that's where you'd like the wheels start turning. You're like oh, this is what happened. Like Archimedes, this happened, yes, event already happened, yep, which prompted Archimedes to find the watch and all that which came first.
Speaker 1:The Archimedes make the dial first. Oh no, it's a fix loop. It still doesn't make sense. It was how did Barry was very the time remnant or did he? or did Savitar come like was Savitar there To be defeated by Barry and a time remnant? but how is Savitar created without the time remnant? to beat Savitar in the first place Doesn't make sense. Was the dial made already to time travel Or did Archimedes make the dial? well, he was already making the dial, but it didn't work. Or did it, but then how did he get to the future? He didn't get to the future. Oh yeah, the dial bought it back to the past. We didn't have to the dial get to the future, it just stayed there.
Speaker 2:All I know is this whole sequence like.
Speaker 1:Unfortunately, the flash has the best time travel mechanics. These Romans are built different. Yeah, they are built different because they're just taking down a whole warplane with spears.
Speaker 2:Yep, killing Nazis, shout out the Romans, yeah, um Yeah. Eventually the plane crashes, kills Mads Meckleson, archimedes takes his watch and then he runs into Indiana Jones. This is a really this is.
Speaker 1:This is like. This is the sequence that if crystal skull thought it was the last movie, crystal skull should have had yeah. So You know, talking about, you know your homage pieces. This is the last movie in a franchise. It works and it's just and, like I said, this is the full circle. Like Indy now is a piece of the history that he fought, you know, his whole life to try to preserve And it's just. You know he's running into one of his heroes and you know, i think one thing that's incredible about Indiana Jones as a character is like, as cool as he is, he's still just like a giant nerd that just loves you know history and it's just it's awesome, like he's just like I ran into.
Speaker 1:I ran into my hero, like I just I ran into one of my heroes, somebody that I've been, you know, researching my entire life, and they have a, really, and he's just like you're always supposed to be here and I'm like what is? what does it mean? What does it mean? Is that what Kate Blanchett saw in crystal skull?
Speaker 2:She saw this whole this whole event happen, um, yeah. and then Indiana Jones He's gonna. he's gonna do a Captain America endgame. He's gonna stay an ancient room, yeah, he's like I'm staying. I got nothing else Yeah and nothing in the present day and I don't know why this is.
Speaker 1:This is just the weirdest heel turn for For for Helena, this is, this is this is where she's like you need to come back. When did she ever care about India this much? That's my biggest question about her.
Speaker 2:I mean, i mean clearly it was there, like she was developing it, it just it was never shown to us.
Speaker 1:There's also never a moment in this movie where she's just like ah, this guy's kind of cool, like you know one moment.
Speaker 2:There's one moment where that happens and it's when she she's again doing like the jokie-jokie, like what would you do if you go back in time? like, yeah well right clear, patrick.
Speaker 2:Then he, you know, he opens up to her and he's like I would stop my son from enlisting because, you know It, it led to, you know, him dying and then my wife leaving and that's the moment when I thought she was gonna get it And then she didn't get it. Yeah, or she did get it, they didn't show it to us and in Crystal Skull what.
Speaker 1:What works for for mutton that will in that movie is you know When they go to. I forget where they were when they were in the in that one temple, but you know they fight off those, those guards of the temple and much. Just like you're a teacher and he's just like I'm only a piece like part-time, like that's what I was waiting for in this movie for her to get to him. Like you know He's capable, like he's he can actually do some of these things with them and obviously it's his last. You know her eye at this, but Emotionally I just I never bought it between the two of them. This whole ride. They just they felt like just They didn't feel like they were paired together correctly. Yeah, they felt like reluctant Companions, yeah, which at some point you know that's a good for, like that is a perfect way to start, but that's not the way to finish, like, yeah, it's too little, too late.
Speaker 2:Then they yeah, they try to ramp up like the. It's so much like at the end where like she's really passionately fighting for him to come back And I'm like when did where the hell was this Like?
Speaker 1:now it feels like what, like?
Speaker 2:what changes if he stays, like Nothing changes, like she's, if it's a closed loop situation, which it's almost it's almost like she had the, the Concoction that she comes up with them, the movie, like bring his wife back into the fold. Like it feels like she was marinating that like the entire time, but like it was never clear that she was even. Like she even cared enough for that because clearly, like that She put that into motion at least in her head at some point, because why else would she be fighting so passionately for him to come back? like You know, she already made it clear like she didn't feel like he was a standard for her dad, mm-hmm. And now all of a sudden she's making that case that like my dad is gone, like you're the only person I have left, like you didn't feel that The half hour, right, exactly like there's no emotional connection to them.
Speaker 1:It feels like it just feels like he's like the reluctant guy and it's like in most stories What would happen is like they're reluctant but they're capable. So, you know, let's try to figure this out and I'm gonna teach you stuff along the way, like, and you know, obviously this is an Indy's fault, but this is a writing problem like what is he really teaching her along the way? There's not, it's just she's. She and him are there to get to this place like he's teaching. But things look along the way. You know that him and short round have been through a couple things. Indy's learning stuff from his dad, so it's the inverse of it, but the same concept. Like I never felt that up until that last five minutes When they were in, and you know who else didn't feel it, he didn't feel it danoo.
Speaker 2:Despite her passion, plea.
Speaker 1:He's like I'm saying yeah, like I don't like if it was somebody, it was a different character, i bet he's just like you know what. I might try to make it back, or maybe this, the ending of this movie, is written differently. But yeah, so he also didn't feel it.
Speaker 2:Yeah that's my boy, archimedes, chill here for a little bit and then she's, like you know, she wallops, she wallops them, she knocks him out and he wakes up back in his apartment in 1969. She's there, you know, she's being very nice to him like I would, like I said I'm gonna repeat it again like I wish they had brought, like her, her kind of her turn Further up, because then this, this, this moment, probably would have really played really well. That she's like hey, like how's your shoulder? like I brought you back, like yada, yada, yada. And then, lo and behold, who walks, who walks through that door.
Speaker 1:The little kid. Nope, marion walks through that door. She's back, yep, how's it going?
Speaker 2:Yep, karen Allen is back And he's like what is happening? What is this? She brings some groceries because he hasn't taken care of himself, and then they, they rekindle Their lost love. Where does it hurt? It hurts right here. Oh, oh, they did it.
Speaker 1:Good job.
Speaker 2:And then Helena goes out with with John Reese Davies and all the children to get ice cream and All is well, that ends well, and we get the little little closing shot of the hat and falls off the clothesline And then that's it. That's the end of Indiana Jones. Like I said, the ending I thought was really strong. Just the bits between him and her just didn't feel totally earned.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's unfortunate And it's just because it's such a massive part of this, it's the whole, it's the biggest conceit to get him, you know, to do something she she needs. All she really does is need him to get the dial for her, just so she can get the other half or she can sell it. She doesn't even care about the dial itself, she just wants to sell it, because money not all about the money, spider man, it's about the, it's about the museums. I love the museums.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I, you know, I think, like I said, i think the last probably like half hour captures some of the the old Indiana Jones magic, but other than that, you know, the movie was fine, it was okay. It wasn't the best movie of the summer, it was, it was totally fine. That's kind of my, my, my final, my final judgment It was okay.
Speaker 1:It was a movie. I kept saying it when we walked around. I was like that was a movie with characters and plot in an ending. So that's cool. Yeah, three-act structure in a score, mm-hmm, i said a photography, mm-hmm. in production, mm-hmm. So that's a whips and some whips. There was whips, there's hats Time, travel time, that was. That was something All right. Let's give out some some, some of our world famous awards, uh-huh. Let us start with what is what's the saddest moment of this movie.
Speaker 2:Uh, hey, talking about what he would do if you go back in time, it's good stuff.
Speaker 1:That's. It's good stuff. Harrison Ford does the does the acting in the sea, doesn't act the acting in a lot of this. But yeah, i love how passionate he is, especially you know where I really picked up. His passion was in the was in the The New York sequence. I think he was even when his two colleagues were killed too. You can really feel that yeah, it was really he's.
Speaker 1:You know, he was all in on it too Emotionally because that's something that writers and temple didn't have as much, because he was just so cool and swab. And then you know, last crew say doubles down to make up the lost time. But this movie, i think you, this is might be, you know, the most fully realized as, like a human being that he is, you know, you not only on the good stuff, with the bad stuff too, but that's what make up people. So so I'll just agree on that one, the most underrated character in this movie.
Speaker 2:Boyd Holbrook's character. Just the same Karen. He's the same guy. Just this maniac who just shoots first.
Speaker 1:And The same guy that he played in Logan. It's literally the same exact person.
Speaker 2:I was unclear, like what his deal even was this entire time He was the gun.
Speaker 1:Slinging cracker was what they called him specifically.
Speaker 2:I don't. We never got any indication, like the whole movie. I was like does he, does he know? But this guy's a Nazi like that's what.
Speaker 1:And then they all were wearing the Nazi uniforms. At the end I'm like I guess you're like from like Indiana's, like you like where you're just from some rent, like why not see now?
Speaker 2:He was fun.
Speaker 1:He was like learning German in the hotel room. I was just like what's going?
Speaker 1:on. Yeah, um, i Don't know why. I quite like that CIA agent, Like I wanted more out of her and I feel like it would have been cool for her to be kept alive and ago. Like her, have a heel turn and like, go with Indian, like you know, believe in him. You know, like cuz, what they set up is that he's framed for the murder of his two colleagues. That's never resolved. It is never resolved. He's woken up in his apartment and then everything's cool. But I did, i did quite like her character. I thought she was, yeah, she was an interesting You know, what she could have had the bones of was Lashana Lynch and, yeah, in no time to die. Sure, i think she could have been kind of built from that same mold. Sure, best relationship Marion and Indy I'm actually gonna pick Indian in solid, i think are just it. Just it just makes me feel reminiscent of The past. But Indian is work, indian is work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Indian Archimedes. I think that's actually the one Indian Archimedes have the best relationship.
Speaker 1:This movie because Archimedes is like thanks for Doing the thing that gets me back and gets you back in time to make me make the dial, and he's like I love history and your history, so.
Speaker 2:We're immediate, it's just the same.
Speaker 1:It's just like the stepbrother scene. Did we just become best friends? That's exactly what the relationship is, most heroic moment in this movie.
Speaker 2:Probably. I mean it's hmm.
Speaker 1:That's a good question. I think it's the opening, it's the classic Indiana.
Speaker 2:Jones, i didn't want to say the opening bit, but I'm like it's probably the opening bit, i think it.
Speaker 1:I think it's, it's Definitively that opening bit of the movie Yeah he does the.
Speaker 1:He does the heroism. Yeah, he does, he does the. He does the Henry Jones Jr, he does the Indian. So, yeah, um, best best bit, the Nazi bit. Yeah, i just like the fact that it's just there wasn't enough Nazi punching in in Crystal Skull So we got back to the Nazi punching in this movie. You still a Nazi, you still a Nazi. It's good stuff. Um, what's the best bit? Um, the big guy, because it's just every Indiana Jones movie needs a big guy to not be, you know, needs a clever way to be.
Speaker 2:Speaking of that big guy, that kid just kills him. Yeah, he did kill him. Crazy handcuffs him to a drain and, yeah, drowns him. Um favorite cameo Probably solid.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna do a line of dialogue about the Ark of the Covenant, okay, or should it just be the? the spirit destiny is the best cameo in this movie. I'm picking the spirit destiny. We'll keep it simple. Best one, v1.
Speaker 2:It's not technically a 1v1, but I liked him, him, him old manning about in the archive room, yeah, he tips over the tips over the Shelving, that's good stuff.
Speaker 1:Best heat check performance in this movie. Um, i'm probably also gonna go with solid. It was good. He just it's only open there. Yeah, he was also. And again, it's just, um, it's just war what I wanted out of there. I'm gonna pick my guy from from Logan and Sandman. It's gonna be my heat check performance actually, cuz he was just gun-toting me just like great, great mustache. Yeah, great mustache. What's do? what's the best set in this movie?
Speaker 2:I Uh, I like that Moroccan casino.
Speaker 1:Yeah, casino was cool. I'm hmm, you know if just throughout the chase sequence, if there wasn't so much CGI, i would have picked 1969, new York. I thought it was a pretty good look, but I'm gonna go with the Morocco bit. I just think it looked the best. I actually think that also the, the ending looked really good. The yeah. Yeah, where were they? or they were in Sicily for that ending.
Speaker 1:I also think that looked pretty good. So I'll just I'll set a tie for that one best exposition dump. So these movies are one of the kings of the exposition dump.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they are best exposition dump probably is. Mmm, i like, i mean I just liked him. I liked him like explainer, like the whole bit about the dial, like and what the dial does, like it, just it's.
Speaker 1:Iconic indie. Yeah, just explain them a guffin, because somehow you're like this guy that can just take on, you know, a battalion and Nazis, but also you're just the smartest guy in the room. So here's what it does. Here's what it does. Here's the lore behind it. Here's all. Here's my spectrum of if I think it's real or if I think it's BS. That's that's how indie operates. Yeah, what is the best source? material callback, the what, just the one itself. What is the best source?
Speaker 2:material callback. That's actually a good one.
Speaker 1:Um, i mean, I think it's just it sucks, but it's, it's mutt. You know It's what happened to mutt and what happened, you know good terrieration of, of the, of their relationship. So I'm glad he said God, Not in universe but out, you know Best.
Speaker 2:Npc, our favorite category, oh, I got one, that one Roman soldier, that was just Everybody was that Marcus Aurelius, i, i guess.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure that's who that was supposed to be. It's never.
Speaker 2:It's never a, it's never explicitly stated, but My favorite guy was he was cooking.
Speaker 1:My favorite NPC is is Her. Her ex fiance is Helen is ex fiance. That was just like don't kill him because I'm still in love with her.
Speaker 2:That also could have been the best bit also the best callback of indie being afraid of snakes? Oh yeah, it's stuff, yeah, it's good stuff.
Speaker 1:He's. what's the kid's name? I forget what the kid's name is, so something I'm I was gonna say does it serve in them? does it? I could be good I thought it was a T? was it a teddy? Yeah, it is Teddy, it is Teddy. Yeah, yeah, teddy's. Just like they're, just like they kind of look like snakes. Don't say that. What is the best musical moment?
Speaker 2:Anytime the Indiana Jones theme is used.
Speaker 1:There's a really good bit. It's kind of the it was when he meets Sala and then they go to the, to the airport, and then he's just like you know, give them hell, indiana Jones, that bit, and then it goes. It goes up into the theme. When you start just doing the globe trotting, i always get stuff right there. Yeah, um favorite line.
Speaker 2:I like, i just like that line where he goes. I don't believe in magic, but a few times in my life I've seen things, things I can explain, and I've come to believe it's not so much what you believe, it's how hard you believe it. It's good stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, i just like the line that Sala gives him from the trailer. Like I missed the desert, i missed the sea. Like, yeah, let's, let's do the globe trotting one more time. Boss, it's good stuff, best fight.
Speaker 2:Uh, best probably the fight on the train, right, yeah, yeah, when he's fighting all those guys on the train.
Speaker 1:Yeah, beginning Yeah it's gotta be that Um, and then I give. I mean that just launches into the best action sequence. So three, two, one The.
Speaker 2:Rocco sequence Yeah.
Speaker 1:Easy, Um favorite shot in this movie.
Speaker 2:Man, the weird thing is like it does not many of that make me like that stick out And you know, in my mind you know it's kind of frustrating.
Speaker 1:It's even more frustrating because this is a James Mangold film that I can't find like a discernible shot, so I'm going to go. I do like the shot of you know where, um, his guy dumps everything onto the onto the train table and it's like the whip, the hat, the shirt, yeah, yeah, that's a, that's a great.
Speaker 1:Oh, there's a great silhouette shot on the train too, and that one not when the main Nazi's coming after them, um, and he's like walking out of the, out of the smoke from the train. That's a good shot right there.
Speaker 2:I like the um. I'd like the flyover of of BC.
Speaker 1:Sicily Yeah, that was good. There is a really good. it's something that's really subtle, um, and reminded me of the shot in Skyfall where he's kind of like draped in the shade. um, where he goes into the Moroccan casino and he's like raising through the levels and it's just really. that's a. that's a small bit of really good. you know, simple, really good movie making in there. Yeah, um, best of world. We already went over that. What's the best performance in this movie? Carrots for Ford. Yeah, easy, that's just easy. Favorite character.
Speaker 2:In any joke.
Speaker 1:Not complicated. Um favorite moment or scene? Um, i'm I'll just do two and one, because two is the you know, where he talks about his son and he's just like what I would do with the dial. Um, and then my favorite scene is that ending. I think that ending is really good. I think the ending is really strong too. I really liked it. I just, you know, it's every. It's what a lot of these franchises that are like you know, the let's do the thing, five, 10, 15, 20 years after we did the original thing, fail to do Um, but some get it right, and this is one that gets it right of like Indy himself, like I'm going to, like, i've been chasing after history my whole life. I might as well be a part of this history. So something simple, but you know, something very effective, and that is Indiana Jones and the dial of destiny. Um, let's rank them a guffins.
Speaker 2:All five of them, okay. So what do we got? We got the. We have the Ark of the Covenant, yep. We got the Grail. We have the Grail, we have the dial of destiny.
Speaker 1:The dial of destiny. We have the crystal skull and um temples of dooms. was the um the the stones, yeah, the stones.
Speaker 2:Um, i'm going to say and I guess in reverse order I could do this I'm going to say the crystal skull fifth. I'm going to say probably the stones, fourth, and then the dial of destiny, and then the Grail, and then the Ark.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm going to do. I'm going to go with the stones. Last, i'm going to go with the crystal skull. Fourth, because I that was the first Indiana Jones movie I saw was was crystal skull. So that was what. Nine, i think. So, um, i'm going to go with the dials. Third, i think that's a it's a solid one. I'm actually going to go the Ark, second, and I'm going to go the Holy Grail. The first one, because I think the Holy Grail is the best payoff to any of them.
Speaker 2:That's true, and it's also the I mean Holy Grail is probably the best MacGuffin history.
Speaker 1:Right, i mean this, this, literally this French. The franchise was has so many MacGuffins that it kind of threw away the spirit destiny. I was just like, yeah, it's, it's, it's a fake, so yeah.
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, i mean just all in all, like wrapping up, like thinking about this movie, like just the budget piece going back to that, and it's just. You know, i said this to you before we started recording. And I think the point is important is like so George Lucas obviously, you know, had a hand in this and Steven Spielberg was yeah, both of them.
Speaker 2:So I mean, but the conceit behind Indiana Jones was like that Lucas had already made Star Wars, which was this bigger budget kind of thing, and he wanted to do something kind of a little bit smaller scale, quite a more like kind of just action rompy. So Indiana Jones was created and this movie, being a $300 million movie kind of, you know, goes against that original concept. Like I feel like you could have made this movie with a hundred million dollars, like you could have.
Speaker 1:You could have made this with a hundred like, let's just say, modern times, let's say a hundred set, let's just say 200, which is $100 million less. You made this movie with 200,. Just three things you need to do. Number one you need to go. Practicality is your best friend. I think the practical nature of this franchise is what was so iconic about it. In these first three movies Even you know the expansive craziness of Temple of Doom still was shot practically and they did a lot of stuff practically. Obviously, not the lava and the you know the molten pit, but you know a lot of just the building out of sets and stuff like that was all done practically too. Practicality is one I think you know. Two is if you're going to do is this is the last piece in the franchise you need to be more conscious about. You know who the person who's getting him to get back into the call of action is. I think they.
Speaker 1:That was a miss. It's not Phoebe Wolder Bridge's fault, but it's just it's a writing issue at that point. And the third point is my main point. You know overarching theme of this episode and it's it. This feels like product. This doesn't. A large chunk of this movie feels like product versus. You know this endearing ending to this. You know incredible franchise with one of the single most iconic movie characters of all time And the top five most iconic movie characters of all time is Indiana Jones. And I and I'm still on I'm gonna have to see this movie again. I just I don't know if that saves this movie that the fact that Harrison Ford was so good in this movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, i'm not sure that it does either, but um you know it was, it was fine.
Speaker 1:It's just unfortunate, it's just unfortunate.
Speaker 2:The movie cost so much and was, like such, you know, attached to this type of franchise. Because you know it was just so, i feel like it should have been, could have been and should have been better. Yep, it's basically my, my final thought on it. Maybe.
Speaker 1:Disney is maybe Disney's washed.
Speaker 2:Whoa, i'm kidding, oh boy, I'm kidding, i'm kidding. Um, man, we're almost. We're almost through it. We're almost through it, we're almost through this crazy summer.
Speaker 1:It's great. It's like it's already. You know, by the time we see Mission Impossible, it will be mid July, which is just it's nuts. We were just in April talking about Mario, and look at us now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's next week. Yeah, it is next week. I am looking forward so much that movie. I I I ranked them somewhere, but I think this was my third, most into, third or fourth most anticipated movie of this year. Obviously, doing was number one, but yeah, i cannot wait for this movie. It looks great. Tom Cruise is. you know he is the last he's action star. He shouldn't get. that. should be his last movie. should be, tom, i got you. You're going to do a movie. You're going to be 99 years old and it's going to be called the last action star And it's going to be about the you know the exploits of, you know, the greatest living movie star of everybody's generation. that started, you know, from when he was a kid until that point And his old life. And yeah, you go and you make sure you do every genre of movie in this movie And yeah, it's going to be a great movie. I just gave him this final movie of his life. It's going to be great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that's next week is going to be a mission of possible dead reckoning.
Speaker 1:Part one, part one And I think there's a gap in between that. No, there won't be a gap. And then it's D day or B day.
Speaker 2:Well, there? well, all right, So this is coming out this week, obviously. So we have, there will be an episode before. Mission impossible, depending on when we see it. We'll figure it out. So we'll figure that out, yeah. So, either either next week will be our mission impossible review, depending on when we see it, or it will be a We'll talk about Daredevil, seasons one through three, plus all the appearances in the MCU.
Speaker 2:But until then, you can follow us on Twitter at project INF underscore pod. You can follow us on Facebook new episodes posted there every Wednesday.
Speaker 1:You can't find us on thread yet. Not yet.
Speaker 2:Not yet, i'm still figuring it out. So is the entire internet. You can follow us on Instagram at the project infinite pod. Thank you, and next week, like I said, it's up in there, depending on when we see mission impossible, we'll dictate what we're doing next week. But yeah, it's. You know, i was glad to see Indiana Jones again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, i feel like I didn't talk well enough about this movie, because there are still stuff and things in this movie that I do quite like. Yeah, but yeah, it was the last thing I'll say.
Speaker 2:It was a movie, definitely was a movie, it was a movie. And then the next time we'll see Harrison Ford will be in the MCU. Yeah, wow, which is a crazy thing to say. But all right, guys from me, from the Man.
Speaker 1:Because if you say something wrong I'm a Nazi. I bet I know who you're going to give me. So let's do it on three. Oh, i don't know.
Speaker 2:Do you know Do you have it. Yeah, I think I got it All right.
Speaker 1:Three, two, one.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I was gonna be Teddy man, I was gonna give you solid. At least I can fly a plane.
Speaker 1:So it was cool, though. I mean, solid is the best. You're named after the dog.
Speaker 2:He's John Reese Davies. John Reese Davies, what is that character? What is his deal?
Speaker 1:He's guy that gets you things that you need, that pops in and out at convenient times.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But he's one of the best examples of that in movie. He's one of the only ones in movie history. I don't care about any, i don't care about lore, i don't care about logic, doesn't matter. Solid shows up. We're good. That's what I care about. Man, when solid is just like I got my, he said I've also bought my passport And I'm like man. Let him come with you.
Speaker 2:All right guys, So we'll see you next week for some. For some stuff Could be Mission Impossible Could be.
Speaker 1:There were double born again. Preview Nope, never too soon. Never too soon.
Speaker 2:Hi guys, we could talk about Morbius again. Oh no, it's retrospective.
Speaker 1:Matt Smith Oh, could be your. Oh, we didn't talk about that. Oh, we didn't. Yeah, we have to end the episode on this. So apparently, adam Driver and Marble Robbie are, are, are out.
Speaker 2:And you might say bummer, yeah, but I say because the true smartest man alive the rumor has it that Vanessa Kirby and Matt Smith could possibly be stepping in. And I mean don't, don't call us prophets or anything, but I believe, i believe we had this. Get Matt Smith in the MCU, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like. It's like the popular kids dropped out and the theater kids stepped in. That's what this feels like. I think that would be great. I think that would be great. I I'm particularly, you know I was always a fan of Vanessa Kirby being invisible woman at any fact. I didn't care who you know read Richard's was at that point as much as like I had a feeling that Vanessa Kirby's name was still in the mix. I thought Jordy Cormor had it like locked down for a little bit. But I'm very intrigued. I'm very intrigued to see how the rest of this plays out, cause I don't know if Paul Mescal is going to stay as Johnny and I forget David, i forget his name, but I don't know if they're all going to stay on or if they're just going to try to get a new four.
Speaker 2:So we but I mean, if you've ever seen the crown. Yeah, matt Smith and Vanessa Kirby are tremendous together.
Speaker 1:If you've ever seen House of the Dragon, a channel favorite of ours, you know that Matt Smith is him. If you've ever seen Morbius, the greatest villain in cinema history, he can keep his tongue. He said that in Morbius. Why was his name Milo in Morbius? That just makes it much funnier. Like this, like a, you know this villainous vampire just saying Milo, Milo, All right, guys.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we'll see you next week. You gotta go man. Until then, goodbye Peace.