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We jump into the world of sequels for Alita: Battle Angel, the movie that seemed to vanish as quickly as it came. We've got you covered with news about Respawn's Star Wars Jedi series and the surprise casting of Cameron Monaghan in the newest Tron: Legacy. As we move forward, we pause to reflect upon Marvel's movie schedule, the potential future of the Kang Dynasty movie, and the Emmy nominations. All the while examining the continuity and accessibility of projects like the 'Ahsoka' and the forthcoming 'Blue Beetle' movie.
Fasten your seatbelts as we dive into a profound discussion on the casting complexities in multiverse films such as Deadpool 3 and the fascinating intricacies of the DC Universe. But that's not all! We cap off with a tribute to the remarkable career of Ryan Gosling. Thank you to everyone who continues to support and don’t forget to subscribe to download new episodes as they become available and don’t be afraid to share a rating!
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00:00 Intro
02:54 The Writer’s Strike Escalates
09:52 Alita Battle Angel Sequels are Happening
12:24 Star Wars Jedi News, Black Panther and Iron Man Games in Development
19:15 Shang-Chi 2 Update
23:05 Emmy Nominations
38:50 Trailers for Ahsoka, Wonka, Blue Beetle & Others
01:00:26 Deadpool 3 INFO DUMP
01:08:31 Slew of Superman: Legacy Casting & Character Overload?
01:25:40 Signing Off & Topic For Next EPISODE (Mission Impossible: Dead Reckoning Part 1 Review)
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We jump into the world of sequels for Alita: Battle Angel, the movie that seemed to vanish as quickly as it came. We've got you covered with news about Respawn's Star Wars Jedi series and the surprise casting of Cameron Monaghan in the newest Tron: Legacy. As we move forward, we pause to reflect upon Marvel's movie schedule, the potential future of the Kang Dynasty movie, and the Emmy nominations. All the while examining the continuity and accessibility of projects like the 'Ahsoka' and the forthcoming 'Blue Beetle' movie.
Fasten your seatbelts as we dive into a profound discussion on the casting complexities in multiverse films such as Deadpool 3 and the fascinating intricacies of the DC Universe. But that's not all! We cap off with a tribute to the remarkable career of Ryan Gosling. Thank you to everyone who continues to support and don’t forget to subscribe to download new episodes as they become available and don’t be afraid to share a rating!
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00:00 Intro
02:54 The Writer’s Strike Escalates
09:52 Alita Battle Angel Sequels are Happening
12:24 Star Wars Jedi News, Black Panther and Iron Man Games in Development
19:15 Shang-Chi 2 Update
23:05 Emmy Nominations
38:50 Trailers for Ahsoka, Wonka, Blue Beetle & Others
01:00:26 Deadpool 3 INFO DUMP
01:08:31 Slew of Superman: Legacy Casting & Character Overload?
01:25:40 Signing Off & Topic For Next EPISODE (Mission Impossible: Dead Reckoning Part 1 Review)
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Speaker 2:Podcast Go tell your friends it's the Infinite Podcast.
Speaker 1:My God, he never ends. It's the Infinite Podcast with Robin North and Q.
Speaker 2:Hello everybody and welcome to the Project Infinite Podcast. The podcast covered the infinite and ever-expanding multiverse of fandom, from movies, comics, tv shows, video games. We got you covered. I'm Rob. I'm here, as always, with Kourt Kourt. This episode was originally going to be a Mission Impossible episode, and then, and then, and then, and then.
Speaker 1:You know how we joke about. There's never any news. They said here's all.
Speaker 2:Every single piece of news you've ever had, it happens all the time it happens all the time like this there can go weeks on end where there's like one or two things that notably happen, and then weeks, like this week, where a billion things happen and we have to change our plan. So we are still going to do the Mission Impossible review. It's just going to be separate from this episode that you're listening to now. You can look forward to that. This weekend is when we'll we'll release the Mission Impossible review. Quick, quick, just spoiler free review and two words or less. It's good, it's great it is.
Speaker 1:It's just, it's the summer blockbuster that you would want in terms of quality. Yeah, that's off to Tom Cruise and Christopher of Aquarian team.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we'll dive into Mission Impossible dead reckoning part one later this weekend probably on Saturday is when you'll see that episode hit the feed. But today, yeah, we're going to talk about all the news culminating in the two. I guess you can call them cornerstone comic book movie news reveals of the of the week. We got a bunch of stuff around Deadpool three and a lot of implications, I think, coming off of that like what exactly? I mean we're getting a ton of stuff revealed to us. So I mean, honestly, if you don't want to know anything about Deadpool three, maybe skip past that bit, because it's going to be a lot of. You know set photo stuff and you know leaked imagery and reporting on people that have signed on, that are officially signed on for the cast, and the implications of all that. And I mean ultimately what's going to happen with this Deadpool movie, because you know, I feel like it's I feel like Deadpool will talk about.
Speaker 2:I was going to say how Deadpool feels uniquely equipped to tackle the multi-versal fatigue that could be setting in, but I think Deadpool is uniquely equipped to attack that in a in a smart way. At least I hope that's my hope for this. So, yeah, we'll talk about that, and then just a slew of Superman legacy casting that we're going to talk about also at the end of this episode. That's kind of be our two big cornerstone pieces that we're going to talk about. But first we do have a bunch of other news, starting with, unfortunately, a lot of real life circumstances surrounding this the writer strike that is ongoing and now an actor strike that is that is kicking up, and you know, the battle lines are drawn. It's it's working working people and writers and actors versus the corporations from which they work. And, as with all things strike related, obviously the two sides are non, no, no, closer to any type of agreement than they were, you know, while the writer strike was also starting.
Speaker 1:So I mean it's simple. You got to feel for the writers and the actors and I mean you're not getting anywhere off the ground without the writers and you're not personifying anything without these actors. So it's it's a very simple situation where these people just want to try to provide a little bit of a livings. I mean, the three things that you're going after essentially is pay is number one you want to make. Make sure they're fairly compensated. The two last things are actually super important for the modern day and age and this is the thing why I don't think it's settled.
Speaker 1:The last two pieces are AI, is the is one of the big ones of where people are getting a little, a little scared because now you know, somebody can just go on their computer and, you know, just recreate your likeness, your voice, anything like that. I mean I see you've had that, that video like two weeks ago, where he's talking about it and it's like it is like a scary thing, that like, and it's funny that mission impossible is what mission impossible is about. Yeah, but yeah, just this idea that you know, computer generated likeness is just now in place, like somebody said it in a review I watched mission possible that they said if you made this mission impossible movie 15 years ago, it would have been a sci fi movie, but now it's just real like this is now just abundantly real. So the generation of people's likeness is just something to not be played with, in my opinion, and I hope they get that correct.
Speaker 1:And then the other thing is the residuals from the streamers is the big thing that they want to? Is they want to get more money for you know all the stuff on these streaming services like Amazon Prime, Paramount, Disney, plus things like that. So hopefully they get all three of those. I mean, I'm just I'm on their side. I'm very inclined not to be on their side. I just I you can find me a person you know that's not an executive that wouldn't be on the side of the writers and being on the side of the actors.
Speaker 2:Yeah, especially, you know, I mean obviously when, when this type of stuff kind of hits the, you know, hits the news, you have to be kind of wary of of where the, the sourcing is coming from. But you know, apparently on the, on the corporation side, they're they're pretty, they're drawing a pretty hard line with this situation in the sense that they're more than willing to lay this out until you know people are losing jobs losing losing housing.
Speaker 1:That was one of the statements that I heard. That was that's not, yeah, insane.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I mean, you know it's, it's hardball man. That's what this thing comes down to. And I know people must be thinking like, well, how can you, how can you starve out somebody that much that they're? They're losing housing and the industry they work in? Like you have to, you have to realize like not everyone is making top dollar right in this industry, like there are people that are literally getting by from job to job.
Speaker 1:I would say it's probably the majority of the people are probably doing job to job especially, you know, the writers are the big ones where you're really trying to.
Speaker 1:You know, you know moonlight yourself from project to project and you know it's almost like being a like an athlete, like people think that, like we look at pro athletes and it's just like you know there's so many of them, there's only, like you know, a fraction of the people in the entire face the earth that are like in the NBA or in the NFL.
Speaker 1:You just think it's a lot because there's so many teams and so many players on the team and it's like it's minimalistic. For you know, your top of the top line directors let's let's just take Michael Waldron, because he's been a name, that's a writer that's been, you know, prominent in the last couple of of months here. So somebody like that's like a known writer, he's going to get work, no matter what. But, like you, take a lot of these writers, it's just they're trying to just get on a project and, you know, the thing that doesn't really equate is if there's so much more projects being had and some of them are still struggling to get on these projects and I just feel like the industries are putting certain people in certain places to make sure certain people are keeping on working.
Speaker 2:So yeah, yeah, it's just, you know, super unfortunate and you know, a byproduct of everything that's happening right now is is all the trailers that we got. Also, you know they did lines that they had to push these trailers out by to to beat certain certain contractual things related to the strike, and I mean it's, it's the effects of this, as far as from a production standpoint, won't be felt for like another few years, because obviously, everything you know it's gaming is the same way, like when you start seeing trailers for something that means it's done and it's in the past. So, like the effects of like a strike that's happening now won't I mean, you are, we already talked about it a few weeks ago, with all the delays and stuff. That's all this, you know, related to this, not all because of it, but it's certainly a piece of it. And then, yeah, I mean other things that are ongoing, that are currently being filmed or being affected by this.
Speaker 2:It's, it's just a mess, yeah, no other way to explain it. But yeah, like, like you, I'm definitely on the side of the writers and actors in this and the artists, because, you know, ultimately the corporations are not doing anything other than distributing, really, yeah, and, as we've talked about honestly when it comes to corporal corporation input on these projects, we've often said that that's to the detriment of a lot of these things, specifically the DC projects we have.
Speaker 1:I mean, I've personally had some issues with the way that Disney's been running things over the last, over the last year as well too. So it is it's unfortunate that we're at this. We're kind of at this point. I didn't know, friend dresser was the she's the president of the of the actors, of the of the actors Organization, which is pretty cool too. She was, I believe she was on good morning America and she said there's no, there's no movement for us, like we're not just gonna settle to settle or settle to work, like if this means that future generations of actors will be secure, going into this modern age, then so be it. And I mean this was.
Speaker 1:This is the yin and yang of the streaming, because you know, funny enough, you know I talked about that Babylon kind of touched on this, like how movies went from silent to sound. This is what this is. The newest precipice in the in the entertainment world is the idea of streaming services. So instead of you know you're getting, you're going to the movies to watch your movies and televisions Like I'm still vessus alone, put it best like you're going to television to die. Now you go to television to live. So hopefully these actors are getting you know the right compensation, and also the writers, because they're, truthfully, the unsung heroes of this whole thing. These products don't get made without writers or conceptions of ideas.
Speaker 2:So yeah, yeah, I mean we're gonna talk about that a little bit when we talk about the Emmy nominations, to all factors into that. Moving on to some some a little battle angel news. But you weren't expecting that Nope kind of a movie that that felt like a big deal and then just kind of vanished, sure and that this movie I've watched it about a year ago.
Speaker 1:It's like in my Trotten legacy range of like just movies all Undoubtedly defend to the end of the world, to the end of the earth. I just I've truthfully enjoyed that movie. I think it's a pretty, it's a great concept and I I'm so happy that we're gonna get a little bit more of the actress that plays lead as well. I think she, she was probably the best part of that movie. So I'm glad to kind of see her get more action and I believe in I. But her shawly didn't die at the end of that. I forget if he died at the end of that movie or not, don't think so In. Edward Norton also was in that movie, so yeah, yeah so off wall.
Speaker 1:It's well, christoph Waltz dies, right? Yes, chris of Waltz dies. So yeah, I'm not gonna be surprised if they bring my her shawly. I would, we'll see. About Edward Norton, I feel like he's more open to things nowadays than he was probably like 10 years ago.
Speaker 1:So yeah yeah, yeah, I'm looking forward. James Cameron said there's multiple projects in the works now, and I mean he, you give, you, give a studio, a billion dollars, and you're gonna kind of get to do what you want as well too. So this is a and this is gonna be a Disney product at this point. Right, I believe so.
Speaker 2:Yeah, interesting, yeah, I mean it. You know it's a movie that Surprisingly for for the amount of obviously CGI that was involved in special effects were involved relatively cheap movie. Yeah, I think it was around like they might have been like 150 to 2 million, 200 million dollars Budget wise, which we talked about Indiana Jones last week, yeah, and how Astronomically high that budget was. So this one relatively low budget it made it made some money back. It made about 400 million. So, yeah, I definitely watch more of these If and when they they get made. Obviously, james Cameron works on a different time frame than anybody else, so who knows if this movie's ever gonna come out. He's about 50 steps ahead of everybody else.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll throw in a surprise casting that you didn't even know was gonna happen. Cameron monahan has been cast in the new Tron Tron movie. Ah, so that cast is quickly picking up a little bit of steam. Now You're adding Evan Peters and Cameron monahan, so I don't know how to explain this, but Cameron monahan just fits the Tron world. I don't know. Totally get it, but it's just gonna work, and that's all I'll say on that. I just, I just believe it's gonna work and I'm speaking up Cameron monahan.
Speaker 2:We do have a few gaming tidbits. First and foremost, respawn has confirmed that they're currently actively developing the, the third game and the Star Wars Jedi. Now that we know is gonna be a trilogy, I Assumably furthering the journey of Calcestan's. I'm not surprised. I'm a little surprised that it's already in motion.
Speaker 1:I'm actually not surprised that it's already in motion. I'm gonna couple that with two things. We're gonna couple that with the success of Jedi survivor, especially like the social media success. I know a lot of people were playing that game. A lot of people were into the idea that game and also, you know, you probably want to hit the iron while talk, so let people know hey, we're already working on the third one.
Speaker 1:I mean the way the second one ended, because the second one more or less ends on a cliffhanger. And you know my favorite. You know spoilers for the game, but my favorite part about that cliffhanger is it's not like a. It's not a plot cliffhanger as much as it's a Character motivation cliffhanger, which I think is a really interesting idea. That not enough projects, you know, talk about as much. You know this person's kind of dissent into wherever they need to dive into.
Speaker 1:So I can't wait to see what Cameron monahan does in the, in the third installment in that game, and I wonder if this is gonna just be the third one and that's it or if they're gonna try to keep going after this. Yeah, I kind of hope this, because the second game, like I said during our review. That game felt very Empire-esque. So I hope this, I hope the third game is, like you know, return to the Jedi. You know, obviously some sacrifices are made in the second one. So I think they can really, you know, given they just are focused on themselves, they don't have a lot of studio interference, they can really hit the hit a home run for the final game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, totally agreed. And then the other kind of gaming news we have. We have. So EA developing a pair of so the Marvel, marvel games kind of sphere is rapidly growing. So EA is developing both an Iron man game and a Black Panther game, with two different Studios attached to them. So motive is the studio working on Iron man, which is being described as A original narrative that taps into the rich history of Iron man, chilling the complexity, charisma and creative genius of Tony Stark and enabling players to feel what it's like to truly play as Iron man.
Speaker 1:They only watch the MCU. They didn't realize that comic book Iron man is the worst.
Speaker 2:Well, who knows, they might dive into that also. I hope they do. I think that's cool. I think an Iron man solo game can absolutely work.
Speaker 1:The Iron man solo game, fun enough, might be a good outlet to test if a Superman game can work, sure, so this is gonna be really interesting to see.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I definitely pumped for that. And then the other thing was a Black Panther game that's being developed. We want our game to enable players to feel what it's like to be worthy of the Black Panther mantle in unique, story-driven ways, and we want cliffhanger games to empower everyone on our team as we collaborate to bring this amazing world to life. So it's gonna be a obviously semi-open world Story game based around Wakanda, in Wakanda and this was the game that I think a while back was rumored to be being developed by EA. That was gonna star a kind of player character, protagonist, assuming the mantle of Black Panther and we were not fans.
Speaker 2:So yeah, and I'm still not they haven't said what this, who the main character is, which I think is you know a little alarming yeah just, I mean, I just think it's very you just make it to child like to child.
Speaker 1:Didn't have Chadwick Boseman passed away. It's a child, didn't pass away. Yeah, it's fine, just make it to child, like you know, give us a game with the Black Panther, like that'd be a really good, you know, superhero game to have. And you know, just to talk broad strokes about the both of them, I will say I feel like the Guardians of the Galaxy game really. I know obviously different developers, different director. I go into the Galaxy game really. You know, open the doors for games like this to just you know, be coming out and everybody kind of being like you know what. We're gonna immediately kind of buy into things like this too. So I Just hats off to that guy.
Speaker 1:Like we've talked about that Guardians of the Galaxy game twice on here at. That game is phenomenal. But the biggest, you know, compliment we give to that game is the storytelling beats in the and not the fact that it's. You know it is linear, there's a path you have to follow, but the world itself that you live in feels lived and I think that's a good way for that. These games to navigate, to navigate.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I 100% agree. I think that's how these property, these comic book properties, should be going forward. I think Spider-Man obviously does a masterful job of that, having a lived-in world. You know, we talked about, obviously, guardians of the Galaxy. I think even the Marvel's Avengers world is interesting. We talked about that game too, and the shortcomings weren't really with the story. More so was the the actual execution and design of the mechanics of that game. And you know, I think you could do something very similar with Iron man. You could obviously do something very similar with Black Panther, where you have these established characters Just doing it, doing a thing, doing an adventure, having, you know, callbacks to certain things. I think would be cool yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, obviously we've been getting, we're getting teased. A daredevil game is like been Ruber'd forever, games like that. So I think it's gonna be awesome and these two games are good. It's like the middle bridge, like this is. I think these two games are gonna be the ones where we find out, because these obviously the Guardians game it was Technically first like a like a single player, but you're still controlling other people. I think these games are gonna be like you know how you play the last semester, how you play God of War. These games are gonna operate when it's one character that you're kind of with and that you live or die with.
Speaker 2:so and then we have. Obviously we haven't seen much of it since it was announced, but the Studio led by Amy Hedding, of Uncharted fame, is also developing a Black Panther game Coinciding with Black Panther Captain America game. Very interesting that that is still happening with a Black Panther to Chalice grandfather it was with a, I think. What was it? 19, the 20 year old Steve Rogers, captain America, and then a member of the Dora Milaje and a member of the howlin commandos Would all be playable in a like, I'm assuming like a chapter based capacity.
Speaker 2:Because, they said it's gonna be a single player game. So it's gonna be like, probably like chapter based, with all those characters which I'm super excited for also. And then, obviously, you know, spider-man 2 comes out in three months, the Wolverine game, obviously by insomniac.
Speaker 1:I'm probably most anticipated game.
Speaker 2:You so, yeah, I mean Marvel. They weren't kidding when they said they were. They were seriously trying to create, uh, not a shared gaming universe, obviously, but just, uh, just passing their properties off to different developers and letting them, let them Cook, let them cook, and more often than not, to this point, they've, they've had success. Um, speaking of marvel and speaking of the MCU, uh simulu, you has come out and given us some updates on the future of shang chi and, if you like the first shang chi movie, we got some bad. We have some bad news for you. So, from his understanding, uh, a second shang chi movie is not going to be coming out until after Avengers, keng dynasty, which is a long ways away, as, we talked about.
Speaker 1:It's a long ways away and this brings up a bigger conversation, um, which we will make very short, and I do not think that keng dynasty should come out. I think they should scrap keng dynasty In lieu of just making secret wars a two-part movie. I think that plays much better. Um, obviously real world implications in lieu of the jonathan major situation, which I nobody knows how this thing's going to turn out. So I just think it's better that you scrap the movie. Maybe not let your heroes and you know, probably one of the more respectable movies out of phase four that people kind of you know, for the most part universally liked with shang chi, was probably in the top two of that with like no way home in there. Um, maybe let that movie be the one where you kind of push up a little bit and you get him some more, some more action, some more screen time.
Speaker 2:So yeah, so I mean, if this is the case, right, like the keng dynasty movie is not coming out until 2026 is when it's slated for Um, if, if that's the kind of time frame that you're looking at, you're looking at potentially like 2027 for a second shang chi movie was six years in between your movies.
Speaker 1:It's crazy and the only reason, the only movie that will get the pass the mcu with that is dr Strange, because dr Strange also Was in everybody's movie, obviously leading up until his second movie.
Speaker 2:So yeah, like they would never do this to iron man.
Speaker 1:Captain america.
Speaker 2:I don't understand it. I feel like it's easy enough to forge A story for a second shang chi movie. Yeah and like.
Speaker 1:I said it's. He's the one where he probably has the easiest layup. To give yourself a second movie, and I already gave my pitch for the movie you do the. You do the war, you do the, the battle of the seven cities. And you're just like, who's this fella wearing this? You know this drape over his head, your iron fist from marvel comics, and you just have them fight.
Speaker 2:It just goes back to, like my, my running kind of issue, marvel over the last Year, where they're like they're so focused on the bigger picture that they're not Not focusing really anymore on like the solo stuff yeah, like blades just in limbo right and like blade again.
Speaker 1:Should have been a layup for the actor that had in the property you had.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like they just feels like they're looking at these projects now and thinking of, like okay, but how does this character fit into the bigger picture?
Speaker 1:And it's like it almost feels like a burden to have to release these projects for them at this point, like it feels like it's like, oh, we have to get this out so we can get like why won't you just let the project breathe and just be its own thing?
Speaker 2:Which is, I feel, what made shangqin such a success in the first place, was like oh, like, this is like just totally kind of detached.
Speaker 1:With director influence. That's noticeable, like the hand-to-hand action is noticeable. I always I will say this about that movie that I love like the I it's got one of the most forgivable cgi third acts of anything Seemingly. Who's pretty charismatic himself and like he was, he kind of caught a little lightning in the bottle. Like Just giving it to six years is too much to let it breathe and then who knows what's gonna happen with the writer slash actor strike on top of that too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's, yeah, super unfortunate because, like I said, they wouldn't do this to to any of their mainstay kind of characters. Um, in the early phases in the sea, like, imagine, like if iron man one had come out and then, uh, so what, that came out in 2008. Yep, it's like imagine if iron man two didn't come out until 2014, like, right, like that's, that wouldn't be a thing. We got two, two iron man movies before the first Avengers movie, exactly. So, you know, it's, it's just a little crazy.
Speaker 2:Um, the Emmys we finally got the big, the big reveal, the big Emmy nomination reveal. Um, you know, obviously not as big as the, as the Oscars, but still kind of a big deal. And and something that both you and I were looking forward to, um, um, specifically with with a few things that we kind of had vested interest in and seeing where they would land, and, you know, the marvelous mabel, yes, mm-hmm. No, so we did get some Emmy nominations. Obviously, the, the drama categories are the most interesting ones, because that's like it's succession in the last of us and white lotus.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I mean it's a pretty loaded yeah this year is like deutoriously gonna be difficult, and I kind of knew that going in. And you know, though, it was the thing that happened at the Oscars, where I Wanted to see if everything everywhere all at once could survive, because it came out in April and then you have to go from literally April to to March with being like can you survive this long? And it's like it's a very narrative based process. So, obviously, the last of us had a chokehold, and then, you know, subsequently, we didn't talk about succession, but succession just was absolutely the talk of the town week and week out after the after the last of us ended. So I think, what did they? They had one episode together, or something like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah and then, obviously, at the same time, you know berries. Berries in a different category, berry lands in the comedy, but I even dare to say that berry shouldn't even be in the comedy category, it should be in the drama category. So what do we got who's, who's been nominated for stuff? What's the what's big ones?
Speaker 2:I mean for shows. I mean at least, like I said, the job, like the drama series is, is essentially like I feel like. Exactly because, like the comedy series obviously is, you can get good stuff coming.
Speaker 1:I mean you, I mean there's, there's great stuff. Yeah there's actually like for I mean everything that comes out, like we always say this, like this is still, you know, the top echelon like this is the best of the best of the stuff that comes out but the I mean the drama series.
Speaker 2:I struggle to find a bad show in this entire one. Yellow jackets, white lotus, succession, the last of us, house of the dragon, the crown, better call Saul, and then and then and then, then, surprise, surprise, and or nominated.
Speaker 1:You bet you drama. I was just I was thinking about and or the other day and I was like that show is Like ridiculously good.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So shout out to you know, disney and and Star Wars for pumping out a really complex, yeah, interesting show way and or that we both really really liked. Cool that it got its. It's not for you know, best drama series on the Emmys.
Speaker 1:Oh, andy Serga should have been nominated in the category that Nick Offerman and Murray Bartlett are in.
Speaker 2:But, yeah, let's talk about the guests the guest character supporting, because the, the main, the main, the guest character supporting actor category is just Pick someone from the last of us and give them, give them an award. I would be stunned Otherwise, if one of these four didn't win. Talking about Kavan Montreal, woodard Lamar Johnson, murray Bartlett and Nick Offerman, crime against humanity, that these four have to be pitched up against each other. But it's what we talked about with the last of us, that every episode had these, had these just incredible performances from not just the, the main cast, but the, the guest cast also. I mean, we talked about, obviously, episode three of the last of us with Nick Offerman, murray Bartlett playing Frank and Bill was just one of the best episodes of TV ever, yeah. And then, obviously, the Henry and Sam Focus episode also was just incredible, yeah. And so I mean I don't know how you Obviously I feel like it's gonna go to one of either Murray Bartlett and Nick Offerman, but I don't know how you pick one over the other.
Speaker 1:Do you? Because at that point you know Murray Bartlett, just because we kind of knew what Nick Offerman was gonna bring, especially to Bill, and we'd never seen Frank before. And it's a great argument about, like you know, games and how games get adapted, like you know, things that are different, like I think it's a testament to all the people that were, you know, angry about whatever you could pick anything the fact that Frank wasn't a character in the game but he's here now, the fact about their sexual whatever you want to pick to get angry about, that you shouldn't have to get angry about. But is that not a testament to how incredible it was that the both of them are in here? I just I feel like this is gonna be Nick Offerman's, if you think about it like a narrative-based thing like it's his episode.
Speaker 1:It's his episode, but Murray Bartlett's so good and he just infuses like the entire ideal of the show into that episode where it's like, through all this crap, like you know, there's still, there's still, there's still a little bit of hope at the end of the tunnel.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I don't know how you pick. I really want to, oh man.
Speaker 1:Kavan would. It would be good too, because you know the decision to make him deaf and then the interaction he has with Ellie, like that Whole scene with him and Ellie is one of my favorite scenes of television I'd seen. At that point I just I caught me off guard because I thought they were just gonna have him, you know, turn, but you're adding complexity is on top of Complex complexities.
Speaker 2:So yeah, and then we get the guest actress category, which again buoyed by the last of us in succession. So from the last of us side we got an atorv, we got Melanie linsky and storm reed. This feels like a succession.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yep.
Speaker 2:You know, I, just I. You know I liked all these characters in the last of us tests and it's, or was, great Storm reed obviously was a force of nature in the left behind episode of then. Melanie linsky was also a good character in her own right, as Uh, what was her name in the show? Um, god, I can't remember. We'll remember Karen. It wasn't Karen, but no, no, she's apocalypse.
Speaker 2:Karen apocalypse? Karen Yep, yeah, so I mean all three of them were great, but, yeah, succession probably taking that with one of their slew of slew of actors that were nominated.
Speaker 1:I just I think succession is gonna be Incredibly hard to beat on Kathleen.
Speaker 2:Kathleen. Yeah, Kathleen Kenner close.
Speaker 1:We were close, karen Kathleen but, yeah, succession on an actor front is gonna be so tough to try to compete with, in my opinion, like the only, like I think that Jeremy Strong is gonna get the best actor for the drama series. Like it's gonna be. It's gonna be really difficult, but you know, hey, this is why we play the game.
Speaker 2:It's fun, it's cool, like the fact that it's not one show that we just know so yeah, and then we had best supporting actor, which is the category that confused me the most, because it's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight actors Dominated, but from two shows shows, white lotus in succession. I feel like you could have given a few other shows some some time to breathe.
Speaker 1:There's one show specifically that we think could have gotten a little little love yeah.
Speaker 1:I think this is where you put House of the Dragon, Yep you put Matt Smith and Patty Constantine easily, and, and Patty Constantine was phenomenal. Matt Smith is, you know, our world famous heat check performance Like it's Matt Smith in that show. But I mean, you know, all jokes aside, I'm actually a little confused that Patty Constantine isn't here. It is it kind of kind of sucks that he doesn't get the love that he deserved, because he really Transformed himself. He you know I'm talking character bits, but he just the way he portrayed nobility and like you know how you have no ability in a world, that I just thought was really incredible. And then obviously his, his tour de force and his, his magnum opus was episode eight. That as well too.
Speaker 2:So yeah, because that I mean the character of a series went a lot longer than I think a lot of people expected. I think a lot of people expected it to be kind of rocked up by like episode four.
Speaker 2:But yeah, they really dragged out that kind of that. You know the, the deterioration and the and the suffering, and he wore it. Patty Constantine did, wore it so incredibly well, I think you know. Go into the other side of things in terms of the supporting actress, I think you could have given any of the either of the pair, raniara and Allison Hightower actresses, particularly Olivia Cook Yep, as the older Allison Hightower I think really probably could have gotten a look. And then, yeah, you could have probably given Emma Darcy or Millie a look for Raniara, yep, so it's interesting because historically with Game and Thrones, with the Emmys, that's kind of where that show lived.
Speaker 2:Was that because it was an ensemble, so you obviously don't have a lead, so that show Really kind of dominated the supporting actor Emmys for for the show's run, particularly Peter Dinklage, yeah, really clean that up for for a couple years as Tyrion Lannister, so Um, but then again, I mean obviously House of the Dragon, it was a first season, first season, so there's gonna be plenty of time, yeah, hopefully, for these actors, particularly Emma Darcy and Niles Olivia Cook, yeah, I think are definitely gonna get. I think that's kind of probably where they struggled with it because you know the characters were split again.
Speaker 1:I mean I just see white lotus in succession. I mean you know, and I mean I said about six like succession was built to have all these actor nominations, Yep Teared for them. So I'm just again, I'm just a little surprised that House of the Dragon didn't. I know that show came out when last year in what was it?
Speaker 2:Now, it was before, yeah, yeah it was like August or something.
Speaker 1:That show came out last year. So yeah, I'm just I'm a little surprised that that show, in the actor categories, didn't get as much love as it did. And I mean, it could be you know, it's the thing that nobody will ever say, but you know conspiracy theories run it could be the fact that it was the first thing to come out after Game of Thrones and the way that Game of Thrones ended so left a bad taste in people's mouths. So I feel like people didn't want to touch Game of Thrones and succession was getting so popular.
Speaker 2:So yeah, sure, and then yeah, we kind of touched upon the best actor and actress in a drama category. So obviously the the leading, leading duo of the last of us nominated on each side Bella Ramsey and Pedro Pascal. I think Bella Ramsey has more of a avenue to victory, I think.
Speaker 1:I would actually be surprised if she does not win for For the last of us. So Sarah Snook is the is truthfully, sarah Snook's the only person. Again, it's this if you're in succession, you're the only person that's in your way, but I do think this is this is Bella Ramsey's the lose.
Speaker 2:So, succession, ensemble or not, the Emmys need to come in, need to come to terms with that. I.
Speaker 1:Mean, I think it's I, it is an ensemble, I guess, but they really treated as this fits everybody's, the main character which I mean for lack of, they kind of are so.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but that's really what a lead actor is Like. A lead actor is what you know Bella Ramsey and Pedro Pascal did like they're the two characters by which the you know. I feel like once you get to like four, five, six, like you're an ensemble at this point, I mean there's four definitive main characters and in succession right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's the, it's the three siblings and it's and it's Brian, brian Cox. So yeah, let's talk about a comedy for five seconds. Sure, I Mean it's the two that shouldn't be in the comedy category that I think about specifically Barry. Barry ended its run phenomenally. It's so tough for these shows to stick the landing, and I mean Barry stuff the landing, and then some, and then the bear has been the the hot show and I mean you know hot as as the surface of the Sun show right now. I'm just glad that shows getting its its flowers.
Speaker 1:Jeremy Allen white and I, oh at a beery are just phenomenal actors. And then you know the rest of the cast as well too, but just the production team on that show. It's something to live by for people that want to make stuff. It's like you don't need to be the most complicated because, like you know, intrinsically succession and the last of us and what, like you need to do some stuff to shoot those shows. But like the bear doesn't Necessarily feel like it needs to be this massive budget, but you kind of just let your main character just be relatable, be broken a little bit, and then you kind of lived. I mean that's that's why Jeremy.
Speaker 1:Allen what I think is gonna win win the best actor for a comedy series. But it's funny, I mean I I feel like I don't know if I came up with this quote or somebody said it. It's funny that I always think the best, the best dramas have some of the best comedy and the best comedies usually have the Darkest and saddest and most somber drama.
Speaker 2:So it also feels like they they just ran out of space. Sure, in the drama category they just kind of slid them over. Sure, because you could get away with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean very, very much was like a was like a dark comedy. But like you get into the latest and like the comedy is just kind of it's there because you know it's built. It was built for that from the get-go. But I don't really feel the comedy as much as I just feel horrible and wonderful. After I watch Barry and the same thing for the bear, I mean, especially in the back half of season 2, I didn't really feel like it. There's great hilarious moments. I mean like I forget what his name is, the one that's actually a chef, the fact the brothers, they're hilarious, like they're great. But then you get into the nitty-gritty, like Jeremy Allen White always has these contractions obligated to get one monologue off. But that monologue is just phenomenal each time in. So Just, I just finished it a couple days ago. Phenomenal show that. I hope that show runs forever. If it doesn't, it doesn't, but it's just gonna be an award series staple for as long as that show goes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, exactly, and yeah, you kind of feel it with certain shows I like oh, this is gonna be around for a while, obi-wan.
Speaker 1:That's what we'll end this with. Obi-wan got nominated for best limited series.
Speaker 2:Somehow, somehow, somehow, look, it was fine, it was fine, it was good.
Speaker 1:The last episode is really, really, really, really good and yeah, I just feel like that's a case of the. That's definitely a case of the. I just feel for some of the other shows that probably should have. Like you know that, like you know, there's probably like an unsung hero show that came out that was like five or six episodes long and then you're just like, why is Obi-Wan here at all the shows? So Bro thinks he's on the team, I don't think she's on the team.
Speaker 2:I'm just gonna say a late addition to best limited series could have been just episode 2, secret invasion.
Speaker 1:Here we go. You earned all this smoke brother.
Speaker 2:Just that episode as a limited series.
Speaker 1:They were doing some acting in that episode. Tell me how Don Cheadle got nominated for talking about a soldier for having like maybe seven lines of dialogue and like Three minutes of screen time, but he's cooking in secret invasion and just will not get looked at.
Speaker 2:Insane. Nobody sent me Nick. I volunteer, I volunteer. I can't wait to talk about secret invasion. Oh my god.
Speaker 1:There's actually no more room left on this train car. Oh my god, I think this is your stop. Tell me something I don't know. You wanna way to contact me, Taylors man this earth does not have room for another species. Remember, the MCU did heat. Yeah, that was the MCU's version of heat. There's a secret invasion. I can't wait.
Speaker 2:We got a couple weeks, yet we gotta get through Barbie Oppenheimer before we talk about who knows if we'll even get through that.
Speaker 1:We might not. We like it nuked.
Speaker 2:Um trailers yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna leave this up to you to figure out what you're gonna do, cuz this is hilarious how you're gonna go about this. So we got in a soka trailer. I didn't think you were gonna go that route, or maybe, okay, I actually. I think you might be going the route I want you to. Okay, uh, so good. Oh, look, I mean this is where the budget for Mandalorian season three give one to right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it looks good, that's good, it looks good. I mean, I can't emphasize it enough. Like it looks good, like it actually the production value looks like it's there, right, I mean I don't think that's ever been a issue for the for the Disney plus Star Wars series. Is the production value feel like it feels Like Star Wars, like I don't think that's really been like too big of an issue for them. I just storytelling beats has been there is when they're issued for Essentially just book a Boba Fett and Mandalorian season three. Outside of that, they've been pretty, pretty solid. Mm-hmm, I just feel like there's a lot of TLC in this show, like there's a lot of. You know, you got Dave Filoni at the helm. You're bringing, you know, john Carlos Positos worst enemy thrown out here. He's not him says John Carlos Positos, he's not like that, don's like a number one pick, that's a that might be a bust.
Speaker 2:Um, so I guess my only question when this is over show is Is it accessible to a casual audience?
Speaker 1:That's a. That's an impeccable question and I Might have to say no, I don't know. Well, obviously they're doing a two episode premiere, so that that might answer your question a little bit is that they might do a lot of, you know, lore building, not so much lore building but lore searching like Lord. You know re-upping, just so, you know, the casual viewer can come in. And I mean, you know, I don't know when we're gonna talk about it. It's gonna be in the next couple weeks, where we had a conversation outside of here where we talked about you know. Oh, actually we might talk about it on Blue Beetle, because there's a rumor that there's gonna be some cameos in Blue Beetle. Like, has there been a superhero project in the last couple years where there's just been one superhero in there?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean You'd be hard. I mean you can't really count the Suicide Squad because it's an ensemble.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it doesn't count even Miss Marvel had Captain Marvel in the last. Like she popped up in the last episode, like one is the last time that just a she had long. She had long the eternal ensemble right Shoot.
Speaker 2:I mean Black Widow. Technically was self-contained relatively.
Speaker 1:But it had Florence Pugh, which just, and Red Guardian, which we knew what was gonna happen with them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah that's it's tough. I mean it's.
Speaker 1:But why am I talking about this?
Speaker 2:I'm talking about this because it's the it's the accessibility of it, like the Brian Wentworth's right yeah.
Speaker 1:Is everything gonna connect?
Speaker 2:no, but that's happening in Star Wars happening in star.
Speaker 1:But that's my point. Like all these superhero projects we got, we thought the Mandalorian was that right until it wasn't, until it wasn't and it just. It feels a little unfortunate that this is the case where it's like it feels like you need to see something, to see something where that's where you know, and or is the greatest example of this at any of this? Where and or is just the show that just existed Inside of a universe, but there wasn't any. I didn't need to know who the Skywalker's were. All I needed to know was, like you also.
Speaker 2:Don't have to have watched Rogue One to understand Andor. In fact, we talked about this when we talked about Andor. In fact, watching Andor actually amplifies the Rogue One experience, instead of it being the other way around.
Speaker 1:Him as a character feels much more consumable at that point.
Speaker 2:We talked about this when we talked about both Rogue One and Andor. Rogue One is weird because when you meet Cassian, he feels like he's at the end of his character arc.
Speaker 1:You might even murder somebody right out of the gate, and not in a cool way, it's like in a very cold-blooded way, which is like okay. But then you watch Andor and you're like this guy's seeing someyou're seeing this guy see the stuff that he's seen, so that I really appreciate. So again, why am I talking about this? Because, to answer your question, can somebody walk into this show? I don't know, we're going to have to see after these two episodes, but I am a little fearful that. You know there is a lot of characters and I mean you're dealing with Sabine, you're dealing with Ahsoka, you're dealing with these new Dark Jedi, you're dealing Ezra Thrawn. There's so many characters being thrown at you. How do you plausibly consume that without having to jump to YouTube or having to jump to the other thing? Or is that what these streamers want? Do they want that? Is this the point of like? Oh well, now I have to stay on the streaming service and now I have to go watch Rebels. Now, maybe that's what they want.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but are people doing that?
Speaker 1:Right, exactly, yeah, like are you going to sit down and just make sure you Because?
Speaker 2:I've talked to aI mean I don't know about you, but I've talked to a bunch of people as it relates to the Marvel stuff. So, like I haven't seen any of the shows but I watched the movies, I feel like that's where a lot of people still live, to be honest, like people aren't going and watching WandaVision or Loki or you know all these other things.
Speaker 1:Yep, and I mean when we talk about Mission Impossible. Next time I watched every Mission Impossible, like I watched three in one day and then I watched the next three next day and then I watched Mission Impossible 7 the day after.
Speaker 1:People aren't doing that Like some people literally just want to go in and be like can I pick up at Mission Impossible 7 and just be able to see this and not be confused and I mean spoiler alert for that one. It actually does a pretty solid job of not having to see the other ones and being okay, not really. But I think these superhero projects areand these, you know, other fandom projects are getting away from that. I feel like theyyou need toand it's the multiverse thing for the superhero projects and for the Star Wars projects. It feels like it's always the pre-post fall of Anakin Order 66 thing. So obviously this is a big deal to you know, post Order 66. So we'll see, we'll see. I'm still excited, looks great. Rosario Dawson 10 out of 10.
Speaker 2:Great idea to cast her as Ahsoka.
Speaker 1:An arduous to Evelish actress but has room to grow with this character too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I'm super excited for it Because we got you know, we got obviously a bit more looks at Sabine. We got more looks at Ezra Ray Stevenson's character. It seems very interesting yeah.
Speaker 1:I like him and hisI still don't know how it's going. There's like a scenario in my head where that's his daughter and I feel like that would be very interesting to. That's the exact reason why he was kept out of the Jedi Order, because he had a kid like, and I feel like that would give the two of them some more emotional stakes. I mean, the big lore thing is the it's a lot of mentions of Anakin in this trailer, specifically Ray Stevenson's character talking about like you were, about like he said something about you know her and Anakin. At the same time, she talks about how Anakin didn't finish my training. So really good pick up for that as well. To get again. I mean, obviously I just said that about that and now I'm talking about the fact that it connects everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it does. I mean that doesagain. That's one of those things that like, if people's only exposure to Ahsoka is the episode of the Mandalorian, then yeah, a lot of this stuff is inaccessible. I feel like maybe they should do something akin to what Marvel does with thosethey don't even really promote them. Well, but I feel like they should more those Marvel legends, shots of like here's the character's journey. Like there's summation, Like maybe onemaybe they should do one of those on Ahsoka.
Speaker 1:I think that would be a greatmaybe even do one on Thrawn. Maybe you don't need to do it on. I mean, that brings up a different conversation too. Like obviously Thrawn is the right villain for this, but to the broad audience is he the right villain Because he's been so obscure and like a lot of his lore is not canon anymore. So where do you pull from?
Speaker 2:So I don't know. I guess we'll find out in August. Speakingyou spoke about Blue Beetle, so we do have awe do get a Blue Beetle trailer. That was three and a half minutes, yep.
Speaker 1:Too long? Yeah, maybe a little too long, but nevertheless, I mean the cast is what I'm most excited for. I mean Zola Meridawania we've been singing the praises he's got. I think he's about to hit his, like his stride as an actor and now obviously being in you know, bigger Hollywood movies Really cool for him. Like that's what I'm most excited for that. This kid that we watched on, you know, on Cobra Kai on a YouTube series, is now the main character in like a big studio movie. I think that's pretty awesome too.
Speaker 2:So adding George Lopez George Lopez is going to cook.
Speaker 1:Yeah, George Lopez might cook, Grandma might cook, Nana might cook. Physically and literally she might cook. But yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I have one big concern I think this movie might have a villain problem. Yeah, I think this movie might have a very generic villain problem. And what did I tell you before we hopped on here? This movie and I don't know a better way to explain it looks like every other comic book movie matched in the one comic book movie, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, I think I think I'm going to adopt this in our future movie reviews, because it's been a refrain I've been echoing the last couple of weeks and I think, in lieu of like a plot synopsis, I think I'm just going to open every movie review we do with who is this for? Yes, because I'm asking myselfI find myself asking this question every time.
Speaker 2:No more. Funny enough, I feel like I'm able to draw a line between like movies I like versus movies I don't like, based on if I'm able to answer this question, because I feel like with Mission Impossible I was able to answer that question.
Speaker 1:Everybody. That movie is for everybody.
Speaker 2:For and more specifically, like it's for fans of the franchise, it's for fans of action movies, it's for fans of Tom Cruise specifically.
Speaker 1:And it's more just fans of the movie going experience and it's just fan of the movies like itself, like that movie hits all the beats. Yeah, you can bring your family to see that movie. You can. Bringthat's a date night movie, like that movie hits a whole bunch of categories.
Speaker 2:I said the same thing with John Wick. I said the same thing Like I knew who that was movie was for. Conversely, movies like the Flash. I still don't know who that movie's for.
Speaker 1:And again, I'm going to double back on my point about, like you know, the quality of superhero movies just being able to be put out and just being whatever and them relying on. Well, this person's in this movie, so it's going to be good. It's starting to dwindle and I'm going to double down on the fact for that of you know, I see Mission Impossible, right, and I'm like this movie is quality, wise, looking great. Like you can't sell me a movie on the fact that people are just going to be in this thing. Like you need to make me a movie. Like there still needs to be a film somewhere in here too, and I do feel that a little bit with Blue Beetle. So I'll definitely give it that I could, definitely.
Speaker 1:I mean number one, making the suit practical was a huge win for me. That's like it's such a simple thing but it helps with a little bit of the realism. But again, I'm just a little concerned about the villains and that's just going to be very Susan Sarandon's just going to be very Iron Monk, like very Obadiastane, and like I forget the other guy that's in there, the other guy, the other guy, the other guy, the other guy. He's just going to be very generic, like they even say a generic line in the trailer, like they do the generic like your family can't save you and he's like my family makes me whatever it is you know what it is, but that's concerning me a little bit and like it's the fact that it won't set it apart from anything. Like it just feels it's not going towhat is this going tolike?
Speaker 1:Black Panther has a discernible thing that set it apart which made it incredible. Like when Marvel was at its stride, they had discernible things that were setting it apart. It just feels like I've seen everything now, especially with the multiverse stuff. I've seen everything now. So you can't trick me anymore, you can't fool me anymore. You can't fool me anymore. Yeah, fool me, can't get fooled again.
Speaker 2:I already told you that this movie, I'm already concerned SoWanka.
Speaker 1:Let's get into it. Oh man, is he whimsical. Is he whimsical enough? Can I go off?
Speaker 2:Does he exude an? Can I go off Silly?
Speaker 1:guy. Energy for you for this trailer. Can everybody relax? This is a movie about a guy that makes a chocolate factory that he has to infringe on the land of the chocolate cartel. I think it's fine, likefoof, I mean it goes down to my point. Like you got to know what type of movie you're consumed. Like this isn't like good fellas, like relax a little bit. Like this is from the creators of Paddington.
Speaker 2:I think everybody got caught up in the memeology of this movie. Is that not the big destroyer of worlds in the comic book, in the movie industry right now, when this movie was announced as like Wonka, like the Willy Wonka origin story, I think immediately everyone was like oh, it's going to be a dark, like crazy storytelling of the Willy Wonka story.
Speaker 1:Nah you know what the dark retelling of the longest story is? The Johnny Depp one, nope, well, yeah, yes, but Gene Wilder was a murderer and Johnny Depp had a complicated past with his last crusader, or Charlie the Chocolate Factory Cause both of us.
Speaker 2:Wow, but you made a great point about this movie when you dubbed it. I don't want to step on your term, so I'll let you say it. What did I call it? You compared it to what other movie?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, this is like Superman Returns. This is like Superman Returns where, like this, very much feels like this is Gene Wilder's Wonka. This is like the origin of that Wonka, cause we already saw the origin of the other worlds Wonka, elseworlds, elseworlds, wonka. That did feel very Elseworlds, that felt like if Zack Schneider directed a Wonka movie.
Speaker 2:Cause it was Tim Burton that directed it. Ah, it was Tim Burton.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like this is from the creators of Paddington, which won me over. This movie is coming out on Christmas.
Speaker 2:Paddington was the highest rated Rotten Tomatoes movie of all time. For like ever Can I be?
Speaker 1:honest with everybody. This is a kids movie. I think it's gonna be okay, I think you'll be fine, but I mean, it's the detriment of social media that plagues this movie. What helps Barbieheimer is gonna destroy this because it's like Timothy Shalame doesn't fit. Like who cares, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2:And I'll argue, he does seem silly enough.
Speaker 1:He's like a bunch of cool.
Speaker 2:He does have silly guy energy. I'll argue.
Speaker 1:It's fine Like this is a kids movie.
Speaker 2:He's a magician, an inventor and a chocolate maker.
Speaker 1:He's a chocolate maker. He grants an oopalooop. Like who?
Speaker 2:cares, he's gonna make the biggest chocolate factory in the world ever seen. Yeah, like again. This is just. He did a singing in the rain spinning on a light post bit which was good.
Speaker 1:That was like one of the best bits from this trailer. He did the up balloon spit. I mean we had an episode dedicated to, it wasn't dedicated to Silly guy energy. Nope, we should do one though.
Speaker 2:We should.
Speaker 1:It wasn't dedicated to what social media does, but we divulged into it. It is very frustrating that that's the response to this. This should just be Alright. If you don't like it, you don't have to like it. Who cares if you don't like it or like it? But like this movie hasn't even come out yet and this is also a kids movie, so I think it's fine. I just think this is fun. Again, I just feel like the way that people try to consume is like negative. First you gotta find the thing, because you need to gate, keep and be angry just to seem different.
Speaker 2:Not my favorite character, Willy Wonka.
Speaker 1:Exactly, exactly. So it's very simple for me have fun, just go with your little brothers and sisters. Go get some chocolate after the movie. It's fine, relax. Yes, I agree, why can't we just go to movies to watch movies?
Speaker 2:Yeah, movies like the Napoleon movie and the Bob Marley biophics.
Speaker 1:I was gonna throw Killers of the Flower Moon but like these, two specifically need to be talked about, Two legends of the industry.
Speaker 1:We weren't gonna talk about this, but it was too funny not to talk about this. So two trailers that played before Mission Impossible or the Napoleon movie and the Bob Marley movie. And I'm all in on the Bob Marley movie. I forget what his name is, something Kingsley Benadir that's playing Gravic in Secret Invasion. Bob Marley seems to be like a revelation. I think he's doing pretty dang good. He looks good, and I talk about something like the feel of movies, like how they feel the aura around them. You get a really good aura from that movie too, and I would akin that to something like I hope it plays a little bit like Judas and the Black Messiah, where there's some truths that are being uncovered while you're trying to tell the story as well, too. That also brings out some great performances too, so I'm really looking forward to it. It's coming out in 2024. I'm gonna be curious to see if he gets an Oscar nom for this. Obviously, I see when this movie comes out.
Speaker 2:Kingsley Benadir is also in the Barbie movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he is also in the Barbie movie. He's playing one of the Ken's in the Barbie movie.
Speaker 2:What a year he's having a great couple of years. What was the thing?
Speaker 1:he was famous for? Was it Bridgerton right now? No, no, no.
Speaker 2:He got Piggy Bunder.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was something I knew that he got famous. I knew it was something British. That's why I said Bridgerton, I knew it was something British, he got famous for Brunishton, brunishton, yes, and then.
Speaker 2:Man, just the Napoleon thriller is kind of useful.
Speaker 1:I just have one question. So Ridley Scott said I'm gonna make a Napoleon movie and I was excited when I heard about it.
Speaker 2:It's Walk in.
Speaker 1:Phoenix, it's Walk in Phoenix, and I mean also Vanessa Kirby is in this movie. Who should play through Storm? Yep, I'm in, I'm on board. But yeah, I have one question Where's Napoleon from France? Are you sure he's not from like? Are you sure about that? Yeah, are you sure he's not, like, from Virginia? Why does he have an American accent?
Speaker 2:I have no idea what's going on in this trailer for Napoleon. The score beats are confusing.
Speaker 1:I don't think there's ooh, they might be score beats. I thought that was just the music they used for the trailer, but now I'm a little bit more concerned.
Speaker 2:Like. That's confusing. I don't know what's happening in it. It is a lot to take in. It feels like it's loosely based on history. He's not short enough. What if Napoleon? But he was awesome. Seems to be the vibe of the movie. Yeah, look.
Speaker 1:What was the movie that? Oh, the last duel was Ridley Scott's last movie before this one.
Speaker 1:I got some good, ridley, I love you. Like. Ridley Scott, to me, is one of the he's in my top 10 directors of all time. I think he really changed the landscape of filmmaking. But, man, I just have some queries about this movie. I just have some questions. Why is he from Los Angeles? I just don't understand. Where is he from? Yeah, that's all I have to say about it. It looks fine. It looks confusing. Yeah, I'm a little tonally. I don't know where this movie lies. And you know what's funny, you know what movie I? Just because I wanted some cinematography inspiration. I was watching the King, which just shot extremely well with Timothy Chalamet, and I was like one thing I will say about that movie that movie knows what type of movie it is. I don't know, and obviously this is another period piece Like I don't know what type of movie this is supposed to be because, like what if Napoleon was awesome?
Speaker 1:I said yeah because, like Napoleon's, not a good person.
Speaker 2:No, he's probably historically one of the worst people. Yeah, this is like what Michael Bay did with Pearl Harbor. Yeah, what if Pearl Harbor what we won at the end?
Speaker 1:A lot of people didn't know that A lot of people's perception of Pearl Harbor was that movie, I know. I just don't think that's gonna happen with Napoleon, though.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:Maybe Google. I'll tell Joaquin Phoenix's. Now I have more questions.
Speaker 2:I don't think Napoleon was. I don't think he was actually as short as like history tells us.
Speaker 1:But he had a little man complex, which is much worse.
Speaker 2:I mean, joaquin Phoenix is 5'8", that's fine, that's fine. Napoleon height, that should 5'6", all right. Oh, why did history have me believing like, well, because George Washington was like 6'3".
Speaker 1:And Abraham, I'm not gonna lie, we had the starting. The Washington's wizards need to call up former presidents because Washington was 6'2" and Lincoln was 6'4".
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's your point guard and your shooting guard. I'm not gonna lie that the wizards need to make some calls. They just lost Bradley Beale. Yeah, they gotta get Lincoln. And Washington. Yeah, get on a date in there. Not gonna lie, that's a mean one-two punch. Yeah, I mean, imagine hitting a 3 in somebody's face and be like Declare, declarete that, boom, you looking for this, boom, you looking for this. They just keep the powder wigs on while they hoop.
Speaker 2:Man Rody, he's got two just all-time bars in the MCU. Yeah, he's got boom, you looking for this, and now he's got you earned all this smoke. Brother, you, brother, man, oh man, y'all aren't ready for it. Um, yeah and then yeah. Like we talked about the Bob Marley movie already, I just had to throw those both in there.
Speaker 1:Cause cause kid for the jokes. Yeah, scorsese's making killers of the flower boon, but we don't have to talk about it, cause he's probably gonna win some Oscars from that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, probably Alright. Now moving on to, like the main, the main two things. So, deadpool, deadpool 3 we got a lot of looks at. First and foremost, he's got the suit. He has the suit. Uh, hubert Jackman has been, has been spotted wearing the classic yellow and blue Wolverine costume.
Speaker 1:I thought it was fake at first, and then I, ron Reynolds, posted on Instagram and I said wow, this is actually real.
Speaker 2:Uh, the Deadpool suit is much more red.
Speaker 1:It's so good. I I really like the MCU Deadpool suit. It looks so sick.
Speaker 2:Uh the Wolverine, uh the Wolverine costume has prompted what I've called sleeve gate.
Speaker 1:It's. Uh, well, you know the thing about Hugh Jackman, right? I guess he had some issues, like with skin issues or something like that. So, relax everybody, the suit still looks great. Um, obviously it's pulling from astonishing X-Men and cause, I'm a psychopath I immediately read like the first six issues of astonishing X-Men, right after that Um, even though Josh Whedon is a horrible person, really good comic. Well, actually you go. You go because of John Cassidy's art. But, um, suit looks great. Um, also the other.
Speaker 1:So there's two big things that come out of this, or three. So, number one Hugh Jackman's got the suits. Buddy, buddy comedy in Sue. Number two, there's a huge, destroyed 20th century Fox logo. This probably is going to be Deadpool kills, the kills, the uh, the X-Men, but most specifically, deadpool filled kills the Fox universe. Uh, is it meta enough For dead for a normal movie? No, yes, but for a Deadpool movie, no. And then, number three, ben Affleck, eat your heart out. Jennifer Garner's coming into this movie as a lecture. So that, all right, you weirdos, this is the movie that you want to multiverse the madness to be. I think he's going to be this movie because this is just.
Speaker 1:I think they're going to pull out all the stops for this movie. I think it. I think it is going to be. They're going to get the original X-Men. So Halle Berry, james Marsden and what I always forget, jensen Yup, always forget Jean Grey's name. I think the three of them are going to be in the movie. Um Press X, yeah, oh, yeah, well, um, I've heard some rumors but I don't really want to get into it. The I just broad strokes the. The big rumor and you got a timecode. This for me, is that Ian McKellen is going to be the villain of this, is going to end up being the villain of like a universe in this movie, because dot, dot dot, who's also coming back for this movie, the rumor is is going to be. Elizabeth Olsen is actually going to play his daughter in this movie. So do you?
Speaker 2:I'm not going to lie. Look, I'm not one that gets wrapped up in like all that crap, but like that sounds super sick.
Speaker 1:And what better, because, especially after what you do in multiverse and I'm not also going to be surprised if, if Benedict Cumberbatch shows up in this movie too, I wouldn't be surprised, um, but what better way to set up, like, to have you know, like how unkillable she seemed to be in multiverse and madness versus two guys that just can't die, which is actually pretty interesting. Um, so, yeah, you get that. Um, obviously Patrick Stortz is going to, obviously he's going to be in. The two of them are going to be in this movie. Um, I do you get Michael fastbender and? Um, why can't I remember?
Speaker 1:James McAvoy Do you get the two of them. I think you're good with Patrick Stortz and even the count, especially if this is like an homage from like 2000 to 2000,. Whatever dark Venus ended like, I think it's a good homage to have, so I would be cool with that. Um, yeah, I mean the suit looks really freaking good. He's going to have the cowl. I would be infinitely surprised If he doesn't have the cowl as well.
Speaker 2:Also, there could potentially multiple versions of Wolverine in this movie. Yeah Cause, where's he going to?
Speaker 1:pull him from as the question, cause he's going to have to pull him from a specific either universe or point in time.
Speaker 2:I feel like he could potentially pull him from the like the member member in Logan when she chose him the comic books and like he's in the suit in the comic book.
Speaker 1:I would be really freaking sick is that? If they literally pan into that and then they go to that actual part and like the thing that actually happened and then he takes that Wolverine, that would be kind of cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I feel like that could be an option.
Speaker 1:Evan Peters, or or um, or Aaron Taylor, taylor Johnson, I would do probably do Evan Peters if you're going to do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you probably got to do Evan Peters. I'm trying to think of, like, who else you could get fantastic for, but they do that.
Speaker 1:I mean, we'll see. I mean, another rumor that I heard is that the Illuminati is going to be in the like the eight, three, eight completed Illuminati. So John Krasinski, back question mark Um, but we'll, we'll see. Yeah, maybe, maybe you put the fantastic four in there.
Speaker 1:I think this is going to be all the fan four stick, no, no, which would be phenomenally hilarious, but no, you just pretend that didn't happen. I mean, would the OG? Fantastic for not be absolutely like perfect? Michael Chick-List, um, yoan Griffin, jessica Albin, chris Evans would just be phenomenal to have in that movie, even for five. Oh, look at us, we're turning into the very thing we sort of destroyed, yeah, but this movie gets a pass.
Speaker 2:There's like the fast and furious version of this. Yeah, we're like you can do this with a Deadpool movie, it doesn't matter. All right, I'm back in, like I feel like they can. Like I said it up top, like Deadpool is the one thing that can shake people off of multiverse fatigue, because it's going to be dumb, it's going to be meta, it's going to be self-referential and it's going to be poking fun at all of that. I just the.
Speaker 1:Well, the one person that if we're going to do this whole Fox thing because of the the electric thing is Ben Affleck, because it would have been easier on paper but, if you didn't know, they were married at one point and now they're not married but they're on good terms. I guess they have a child together.
Speaker 2:I just have to wonder if, after everything, he went through with Daredevil the first time and then, after everything, he went through with Batman. Like would he do it?
Speaker 1:But would Ryan Reynolds not be enough to get you and he can explain like this is just a dumb joke, Like nobody's going to. Actually, people might like you more after this. Because who cares? Like, yeah, like, because you're going to be playing for what?
Speaker 2:five minutes and, for all intents and purposes, you're going to be playing a parody of the version that you played, right? That's essentially what all this is going to be they're going to be parodies of the characters that they played.
Speaker 1:They're either going to be extremely lower accurate or just parodies of the characters.
Speaker 2:I think, I think secretly the one that could pull it off the best is Marsden, because I feel like he could be just a phenomenal, like parody Cyclops.
Speaker 1:Either a fun like I don't think it could be akin to how Andy Sandberg played.
Speaker 1:Yeah, ryan like just because you know, like the conceit of, you know, of Cyclops is that he's like he's the worst, like he's like the best words for, like he sucks, like he's just like a boy scout, goodie to. Like you stink, like nobody likes you, you're, you're annoying. Everybody loves Wolverine, but you got to put them on the costumes, right? Oh, I don't. I wouldn't expect anything like if again, dear point, if this, if there was a movie to pull out all the stops, it's this movie, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Unfortunately Multiverse of Madness already gave Professor Essex big floaty yellow chair.
Speaker 1:Just give it back to him. Just give it back to him. Just give him back his chair. He's just laying on the ground because he can't walk. Give him his chair back.
Speaker 2:Give it back, give it back. Oh, maybe that's how Deadpool kills Professor X. He just pulls the chair out from under him.
Speaker 1:Oh, he like falls and cracks his neck. Oh my God.
Speaker 2:Yank.
Speaker 1:Oh, but yeah, I'm like cause you know you're going to get Halle Berry, you're going to get like it's going to be, it's going to be some fun. Like just tab, the dumbest, most stupid fun. What do they call you Wheels? The TV is also in this movie. I forgot about that. I wonder if they're going to dial that down a bit. I feel like they would have cut that completely from the movie if they didn't put Owen Wilson in the movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know, but this Jonathan Majors thing is really just absolutely derailed everything. So there's a legacy of the Superman. Yes, yes there is.
Speaker 1:If you thought there was like, I thought that movie was just calm and it was just going to be a, you know, a solid Superman romp. Nope, nope. Here's the Justice League. Yep, all right, so it was Superman. And then there's Superman. Legacies were going off, of which, to my point, I told you yesterday they should have just done secret origin instead of Superman, instead of doing all star Superman, which I don't feel it's. You know, to counter my own point, I feel like it's more of a feel of all star Superman, not like the actual storyline of all star Superman. But you know, everything was cool. We had Superman, we had Lois, and I thought that was it. I thought they were going to give some breathing room as well. I thought they were going to kind of let it, you know, rock for a little bit. You know, let blue beetle come out. Maybe then some other questions can get answered. But what happened yesterday?
Speaker 2:Casting, so many castings. So, many castings, so many castings, so many characters in a Superman movie, yeah, man. So we have Isabella Merced as hot girl Dora yeah, for those of you who don't know, there was a live action Dora thing. That happened. Yep, good for her, good for her. Everyone's favorite meme, eddie Gathage, is Mr Tervik.
Speaker 1:Oh, thank God he's back. If they even think about no, I think he's smart enough to just he's more unkillable in this university as the X-Men, literally the one X-Men that his whole powers. You can't die.
Speaker 2:We have Nathan Filion is going to be Guy Gardner, green Lantern, and then just hot off the presses today, anthony Kerrigan just can't get out of the DC universe. He's been cast as Metamorpho. Yeah, this is his third. Third, yeah, wow. Because he played the best in the Flash Missed.
Speaker 1:He played in Gotham, yeah, now he's Metamorpho.
Speaker 2:Good stuff, not my favorite character Metamorpho. Oh, I can't wait.
Speaker 1:I can't wait. I cannot wait. He ruined Metamorpho. No, you don't care about Metamorpho. It's my same thing for Vigilante and Peacemaker. You don't care about Vigilante, you don't even care about Peacemaker. What are you freaking out about? Superhero overload? Question Mark. It's not the fact that it's superhero overload. I'm just a bit concerned about two things. One is the fact that they announced this very close to announcing David Kornswhut and what's. Who's playing Lois Lane?
Speaker 2:Rachel, something yeah, roséhan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would have thought they would have let them breathe for a little bit, but no, they said you know what? Here's every, here's all the casting. So it feels like we're getting a very early addition of the Justice League, which is weird because it's not founded by, you know, batman or Superman. What I thought they were going to play, this as is this, is like the justice like. It's the fact that, like in Earth 2, like the Justice Society existed and then the Justice League came after them. I thought they were going to kind of play it, which they could. That could be an opportunity for them to kind of do it like that. But the castings are good. What's the guy's name? It's Finn Whitlock or something. Finn Wolfhard Nope, nope, he was supposed to play Guy Gardner, like. That was a piece of news we broke on here. Whatever week we did that he was broke. Yeah, this is the number one news source right here. We talked about on here that he was supposed to play it.
Speaker 1:Somebody said that he was like Bruce Wayne and I was like what are you talking about? I looked and I said, oh my God, that guy looks actually like Bruce Wayne. He's like taller, like he's like he's got the black head. He just got big Bruce Wayne energy. I feel like he would be a good counter for David Corinslet too. I've seen him acting some things. He's got that, like you know, closed off like loner, but can also play billionaire playboy, so he could be a good. That could be the reason he could. They could have scrapped him, but like you're actually going to be Bruce Wayne, so thank you. But yeah, a lot of casting. The Nathan Fillion one is hilarious and a little concerning, because obviously he talked about I'm going to get my own guy, so I'm cool with that. Like I, this whole idea that, like James Gunn is some horrible person for getting the people he knows, as if people like Barton Scorsese and Quentin Tarantino don't do the same exact thing. He's absolutely the most nuts thing ever. But yeah, I liked the three actors that they picked. Where they're going with this.
Speaker 1:My second point was it's the authority in the room is the authority are also supposed to be in this movie and the way he's going to play them. The authority is like they're a big deal, like they're supposed to be a big staple of this universe. So you're getting the authority. You're getting essentially the first iteration of the Justice League, you're getting Lex Luthor, and then you're getting the Daily Planet crew, and then this is supposed to be like the Superman. You know, first outing is not first outing but like Superman, like you know, about to hit his stride. So that's a lot of movie and one movie. That's.
Speaker 1:I kind of gave you my pitch to make it work. I think you play this as you know, there's heroes around, there's people in this world already existing, the government kind of put forward this team called the authority with some superfabric figures to kind of you know, handle situations, and then these other here, like actual hero, step in there and it's like you guys are warmongers essentially, and then, like the God of them kind of ascends onto them and they kind of this whole movie is going to be about like, is this guy going to murder everybody or is it? Oh no, it's just Batman versus Superman. It's Batman versus Superman versus the authority.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, it's a lot of movie. It's a lot of movie. James Gunn has built up enough goodwill that I trust the process. But I mean Warner Brothers is a powerful entity, so that doubt is always going to be in my mind of, like how much influence are they ultimately going to have? Yeah, is it?
Speaker 1:James. Is James going to get overrided or what's going to happen? So I think again another way. The only way I can see this movie working is if he directs this movie. I feel like at this point, if you're getting all these people in I mean he's getting his friend, nathan Filliot I feel like he needs to be the person that's behind the camera for this. I don't see anybody, unless it's somebody he like infinitely trusts. Like I don't really see anybody else. Sean Gunn Sean Gunn is going to be in this movie. What are you talking about? Yeah, there's no way. Sean Gunn's not in this movie. He's just going to play the weasel in this movie. And then I mean to like this to the Blue Beetle thing. So they are hard. Stop that.
Speaker 1:Blue Beetle is the first character in the DCU. I'm not a fan of it. I don't like it one bit. Card subject to change. Yeah, I just think that Blue Beetle should have been the last axe and it's unfortunate because you obviously want to try to get sequels, you know, but you start with Superman, like just have this be the first thing, and then you just grow based off that. You saw the vigilante thing. That vigilante is also going to be in the DCU, like what's who's where, like I don't understand how this is working and I also again.
Speaker 2:I'm going to repeat this refrain until I die. Probably nobody cares. Truly like I mean not nobody, but like general audiences don't care, they don't care. What's the DCU? What's the DCU, who's going to be in what, what? The next thing is they don't care, they really don't.
Speaker 1:Like time. One point in time, I think there was a place where it's like the whole idea was to get more people to care. That was like that 2013 to 2019.
Speaker 2:Marvel was doing it, yeah.
Speaker 1:Marvel was doing it like seven year range, like that was it, that was like this is. The whole point is like people are going to go research this stuff, like I don't know. If that's the case, anymore.
Speaker 2:Did you see a Marvel like the the crackpot Marvel, phase four theory about what? That all of those movies take place in different dimensions. I'm not buying it.
Speaker 1:This Marvel takes place in Maine. Shang Chi definitely takes place in Maine. That we know about. The only one that doesn't have anything to do with anything is the Eternals. But then Erichum showed up and they talked about Thanos. Well, shut up. Whoever made that?
Speaker 2:But it's just, yeah, it's just the fact that, like nobody cares, nobody cares.
Speaker 1:What's this big wave of? I mean we can kind of end it with this, because at some point the DCU is going to launch into their multiverse thing. I don't have a doubt that they're going to launch into it to do it, because I mean, of anything, they're the more famous ones for doing the multiverse stuff, especially with, like you know, the flash stuff and then the earth two or three stuff. When did like when did we get this huge you know place for multiverse stuff? Like that's just the thing. Now I'm trying to think I'm thinking in Hollywood, like where a thing kind of overtook. I mean, obviously when the computer kind of was invented and started getting popular, like the 90s had a lot of like computer s. Things were like a big narrative pieces. For this like this is like it feels like so many projects have to do with like an it altered a version of yourself or an alternate world, like that's just the kind of the mainstay that's Spider-Man was.
Speaker 2:It's into the spider verse.
Speaker 1:No, I don't think into the spider, not that it wasn't big enough, but it did.
Speaker 2:It is probably one of the better versions of it exactly, which is why everyone was like oh, this can work like when you bring back. They just substitute it like multiverse for for bring back old characters and put them into things again, it's, you know, conspiracy, stupid theory, me again the best.
Speaker 1:what's the best episode of black mirror? If I were to ask you, the best episode of black man answer for you. It's the what's his name? That played Dr Juman fan for sick.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, toby Kevel, whatever his name is. The nostalgia episode is, in my opinion, the best episode. And I again, once the no way home hype died off and I was like this first half of the movie I keep saying it it doesn't feel like an actual movie, it just feels like it like things that are happening in a studio. To get to this point, and like I started watching more and more stuff and I'm like something just feels off about all this stuff that keeps happening and you know, all these things that need to fit people into this different thing like. And then I started seeing like the multiverse and madness stuff started happening and I'm like the multiverse of badness.
Speaker 1:Stuff just took on a mind of its own, and then alright, so let's add another you know equation into the pot the conspiracy, like the theory thing. Once Wanda vision hit twenty, twenty hit, the theory crafting kind of murdered the super. Because you know, the other point that we started making was like it feels like I'm seeing the majority of these projects before they even get marketing.
Speaker 2:We just got done, doing that with Deadpool Exactly.
Speaker 1:Like I feel like I've already seen a piece like the organic this of like me saying in the theater and being genuinely like nothing will ever top Captain America picking up that hammer.
Speaker 2:So I mean, you know, in Deadpool's defense, like people always go, why don't these super hero movie shoot on location? This is why, yeah, this is why they don't, because stuff gets leaked right away, right away. That's why.
Speaker 1:That's why these things don't get shot on location because, also, there was, there wasn't a market for this and, like you know, and like social media, in like 2012, there's no market for this. No, this is the market now. To do stuff like this, to talk about stuff like this is now.
Speaker 2:Black Adam was made money off of that very premise black Adam made money off. The fact that it's just, like you know, a new thing in this universe is about to like what happened to the act, like Adam literally made money because they were like Superman shows up at the end of it.
Speaker 1:What happened? What happened to the movies? Like, genuinely like, what happened to just the movies? Like what happened to just making a movie, to make a movie? Yeah, again, it goes back to my point I made last week about the product versus like it just feels, like it's just we're just getting product now I'm saying like I'm telling you and Marvel feel listening.
Speaker 2:I know you are Marvel. Don't say what would be fantastic, for is until the movie comes out.
Speaker 1:It's just be phenomenal. Don't throw any cameos in that move, just have it be the movie. Yeah, just have it be the movie, yeah exactly. Yeah, that's my concern, that's my one concern about. I saw all these castings and obviously this isn't a multiverse thing, but it just feels like a lot like what about a Superman movie? That's about Superman.
Speaker 2:Why is?
Speaker 1:it so good, it's so great. I was just about to say that I was just. I'm on episode six of Superman in low season three and I'm like cooking this show is just good because it's just a show about a family. They have some fun stuff. They have fun stuff. They do Superman stuff, tyler heckling's, but it's.
Speaker 2:But we also talked and we talked about in season one. The John Henry Irons thing is amazing.
Speaker 1:It's a genuine reveal. You're like you're John Henry iron from the comics, but it's not like you know it had to be rely. There's no reliance. I think that's a big thing. Is like the crush that they're using is like oh well, now you're going to get other people to come back as much as a stupid chill as we are. We love this stuff like the other. You know the score, say, my brain split into two. I have the pretentious version of me and then I have the shield version of me. So the shell version of me is like holy crap, that's Hugh Jackman from my childhood. And the pretentious version of me is like cool, but what's this movie going to be about?
Speaker 2:But again, deadpool is almost immune from it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, If there was a project to do this, and it's Deadpool.
Speaker 2:The flash is the biggest perpetrator of this and I, at least at this point, like I don't even think the Doctor Strange stuff is as bad as what the flash to- not even close, and we always say it.
Speaker 1:I think Doctor Strange is actually pretty solid and I think Doctor Strange could be on the border being a pretty, pretty solid good marble drags it down is the Illuminati stuff. You cut that stuff, like the stuff with them. Like you know you never like going through like the motions of Universe Hopping and then, like you know, I Quite enjoy that strange, strange bit. People didn't like it. I'm like this is awesome, like they're fighting with music. This is hilariously crazy dream walking you hypocrite like give me that stuff like that's fun, yeah.
Speaker 2:But if anything, the weakest part of Multiverse of Badness was the, the multiversal fan insertion stuff.
Speaker 1:Yep, and it takes away from like what Sam Raimi was, because like one of the you know big things that I liked about most, because it felt stylized, like it felt like and like I say that about you know bits and Chong Chi, even bits and Eternals like it feels like somebody's at the helm of this thing versus like an actual. But then there's bits where I'm like feels like somebody had to stick their hand and be like just tilted a little bit so you can get it this way and like leave me alone, like just trying to cook for a little bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean every, every. Most of the shows that they've done have been sort of reliant on on insertion stuff.
Speaker 1:Well, they took from Wanda, they took the thing that they want to vision and then like it, even went down to their social media teams, understanding that they're like well, who could the power broker be like?
Speaker 2:They're doing it right now with Secret of Asia.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just what happened to the movies, man, what happened to the stories, but like, just what happened to like us just telling one thing.
Speaker 2:to tell one thing, because and, like you said, I mean we're going to talk about it mission possible next time. But you know Mission Impossible does have in the same. You know they're both cruise movies but in the same way that Toppin Maverick had callbacks to the previous thing, but they were done so in a way that like that's the difference is when they weave into the story that the movie's telling, it works like Multiverse of Madness. It doesn't work. The Flash, it definitely doesn't work. But Mission Impossible, top Gun, indiana Jones, to some extent it works, but they don't. We talked about last week. They don't hit it hard enough. Yeah, when they could have, it's just about. I mean, spider-man no Way Home does it well. If like, if anything, spider-man no Way Home has the reverse problem, where they actually executed the callbacks and the Multiversal stuff really well. It was just the.
Speaker 1:The sacra. You. What did you say? You sacrificed the actual movie making your first half because you're so focused on the second half being money. You're like you. Still it was yeah second out of that.
Speaker 1:We I will I will always sing this praises of that. Second half of that movie is in, absolutely and not just, like you know. The Aunt May death scene is incredibly done. The scene on the rooftop with them I think is the best scene in that entire movie. Like You're hitting all these beats so freaking well, it's just that first half again, it just doesn't feel. It feels wrong, like what it's like. It feels like a, like a mess. That first half feels like it auto generated mess. That first half.
Speaker 2:So it just doesn't go anywhere.
Speaker 1:No, no, joe, and that is. That is the casting. That's the news. So much news, news. That's the news I'm still super excited for.
Speaker 2:Super. Yeah, like you said, like I said, if I'm willing to give James grunt, this feels like what James.
Speaker 1:Gunn has been like like he's like Magnum Opus, yeah like this is like the thing that he's been working towards is like I get to tell a superman, like in James Corns, what I've been watching some of the clips from his shows.
Speaker 2:Like that's Superman, like I don't know how to explain it, but like he's got it like you know I said this the whole time we get up to the flash, I just get a little bit nervous. When it comes to Warner Brothers DC, I just they haven't they haven't proven it.
Speaker 1:Somebody's got to like put on, you know, like in the bear. They haven't seen it too. It's a big plot point, like every second counts like a well on the clock. They need to put in Warner Brothers something that a plaque that says relax, just like what, at whatever. When one of the packers were, they were, what were they? They were like Like two and six, two, six. Are you, la X, relax just relax.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you don't have to compete with Marvel.
Speaker 1:No, there's no competing of anything. You we talked about, like your solo projects were so good, like your solo projects were what we're kind of keeping you alive up to that point and then they started sucking and what did you bring in your body?
Speaker 1:and James Gunn, and he kind of revitalized you guys at the last, you know the last, the last piece of your universe. He kind of injected the last bit of life. And then you're here with him and you know this is kind of his show to run with Peter Saffron, so Just relax just relax, swear to God, they're gonna tell them.
Speaker 2:I'm telling you, they're gonna tell them to put Batman in it. Watch, it's gonna happen. Like, why don't you put Batman in this? No, give George, give George Clooney a call. Nope, no, I will not.
Speaker 1:You know who they need to give the call to. I'm really into the I think that's his name. Finn or whatever his name is, wolf hard, nope. Finn Whitlock, I think is his name. I'm really kind of subscribing to the fact that he could be. I just he has a perfect counter to David Corns. What but Jensen Akles would just Destroy it as Batman, especially Batman with a son. I don't know why Jensen Akles? Because he already had a son in Holmlander and the boys season three.
Speaker 2:So yeah, that'd be, that'd be cool. I'd be on board for that man. Yeah, we'll see. I mean we'll see with all these things. Until then, you can follow us on Twitter at projects and underscore pod. You can follow us on Facebook. New episodes posted Wednesday, thursday, friday, saturday. I don't know whenever we do them at this point it's been a heck of a glass couple weeks and it's only gonna get more hectic.
Speaker 1:I ordered my my three piece breakaway suit for the barbeque hammer day Be a 1940s suit with a monocle that's gonna break into the same same outfit that Ken was wearing.
Speaker 2:What's what's going on with Ryan Gosling? What's happening with Ryan Gosling? He's cooking. Is he? What's his deal in the movie in in life right now?
Speaker 1:he's just well, he's the. He is the sigma male Of like of life, is he? Method acting right now what's happening, are you sure? No, ryan Gosling is the, he's the product. Is he going to be the villain? No, this movie, no, I hope not. I hope not.
Speaker 2:That would kind of stink.
Speaker 1:I just hope he's just like the guy that's there, like that's the whole point, like Ken's also there. He's got a song, he's got a hope somebody. They should have waited. They should not have let that, because the peaches song from Super Mario, like that was so popular because it just came out like we watched the movie, like what's going on? But yeah, he's, he was like a staple of like you know, like he kind of owned the 2010s I can rip off the movies he did in the 2010 like just yeah, even from like 2005 to like now, like Last like 18 years of his life has just been nuts. Yeah, he was like the actor. Yeah, he was a man you can go for the movies he had, like I mean, he's in, he's in three of my favorite movies of all time the notebook, yep that's one, that's one.
Speaker 1:He's in place beyond the pines played runner. Remember the tight, remember the Titans Cooking man, la la land, yep, yep, let's go back, let's go back. So yeah, we start. What did you start with the notebook? The Mickey Mouse Club? Yep, yep, young Hercules, young Hercules. You're going backwards, I'm going forward, let's start. Let's start with remember the tight. So 2000, he can't cover anybody, he sucks, he's not in the field. Then you go to the notebook. He's hitting his start, his heartthrob stage. He does a little, he does a little. You know, little Lars and the real girl was like a little indie project.
Speaker 2:Got a super love Romcom, yep.
Speaker 1:And then he does a little drive in 2011. So 2011 alone. Check. I love how this episode divulged into, basically, ryan Gosling episode good. So in 2011 he does the Ides of March crazy, stupid love and drive all in the same year. So not bad. 2012, he does place beyond the pines, one of my personal favorite movies of all time. 2013, he does gangster squad. So he's just getting more famous and more famous. 2015, he does the big short. 2016, nice guys and la la land. In the same year. 2017, he does Blade Runner. 2018, he plays Neil Armstrong. And now 2022, he was in the gray man. So Netflix, big Netflix movie, and now he's Ken. So, and now he's Ken, not not too shabby boss.
Speaker 2:Pretty good, pretty good.
Speaker 1:Pretty dang good.
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Speaker 2:Thank you. Next time you hear us, it'll be our mission possible review, or will it be us? Are we scrolls?
Speaker 1:No, not yet. It's like come on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because, as you can see, this episode is we couldn't do Mission Impossible in this episode. Yeah, there's too much stuff to talk too much stuff about the Napoleon trailer.
Speaker 1:I just want a geolocation of where he's from. That's my only question about that movie is Timothy does Timothy shall may have silly guy. Is blue be able to work? Can James Cameron keep getting away with this? That's the question. Is doing actually a secret prequel to Wonka? Oh yeah, because the chocolate is just the spice. Chocolate evolved into the spice, the Opa Looper's evolved into the Fremen. It's the same concept.
Speaker 2:It's two fanatical legions that worship this man that Timothy shall may, timothy shall man to the Harkins. You earned all this smoke, brother. No, I can't wait to talk about secret evasion.
Speaker 1:Have you lost?
Speaker 2:Oh man, we're going to do an episode of the train scene alone. It's crazy. You know what? To find me, taylor, sam Jackson, so detached from Nick Farage? I love it. He's just Sam Jackson. He's just Sam Jackson. Now we gotta go, man. Yeah, we do gotta go. I want to pull from this week the Napoleon of the podcast. I don't like it. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. Let's see who we got. The metamorphosis of the podcast. Don't know how. I like it, nope.
Speaker 1:We've really talked about the. Emmys.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the bear of the podcast, I'll take it. I'll take it.
Speaker 1:That's where we'll land on. The last thing I'll say for my bear fans I like Taylor Swift. It was just becoming a lot. They'll know exactly what I'm talking about. They'll know. Okay, man, they'll know, they'll know.
Speaker 2:Alright, guys, we'll see you later this week for Mission Impossible. Until then, good bye, peace.