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Get ready to challenge your preconceptions as we discuss "The Marvels." We weigh in on the latest MCU film amidst a litany of recent MCU hiccups and the vaunted Variety article that put the internet in a state of panic. But in the face of it all, the silver lining? Impressive performances by Brie Larson, Teyonah Parris and of course, Iman Vellani and fun directing by Nia DaCosta culminate in a fun entry in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, despite what people WANTED to feel about it going in.
Brace yourself for a deep-dive into character motivations, plot development, and fight sequences. We discuss the Khan family's contribution to the narrative, Carol Danvers' role as the Annihilator, and how her touching and tense reunion with Monica Rambeau left a little on the table...also, what the heck is going on with Nick Fury?
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Get ready to challenge your preconceptions as we discuss "The Marvels." We weigh in on the latest MCU film amidst a litany of recent MCU hiccups and the vaunted Variety article that put the internet in a state of panic. But in the face of it all, the silver lining? Impressive performances by Brie Larson, Teyonah Parris and of course, Iman Vellani and fun directing by Nia DaCosta culminate in a fun entry in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, despite what people WANTED to feel about it going in.
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We don't just review, we speculate. We've got theories galore on the future of the Marvel Universe. Ms. Marvel's Season 2, a potential Young Avengers movie, or Avengers 5 possibly being a mashup of Time Runs Out and Avengers vs X-Men - we're putting everything on the table. We even consider the odds of the formation of a new Avengers team in Captain America 4. So, whether you're a die-hard Marvel fan or just a casual viewer, sit back, relax and join us in exploring the endless possibilities of the Marvel Universe as we review "The Marvels"
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Speaker 2:My God, he never ends, it's the Infinite Podcast with Robin Croft and Q. Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of the Project Infinite Podcast, the podcast covering the infinite and ever-expanding multiverse of fandom For movies, comics, tv shows, video games. We got you covered. I'm Rob. I'm here, as always, with Court and Court we're doing our first movie review since July yeah, july of 1985. It's been a while. I just feel like 1985, to be honest, three years, I wouldn't know. But yeah, so we're back, we're doing reviews and such.
Speaker 2:If you haven't heard, the strikes both the writer strike and actor strikes have concluded. They came to new terms and you can find out all the details about that in our other episode, because this is strictly a review episode. We're getting back to basics and we're going to talk about what else? The MCU, we're going to talk about the Marvels. Those were shills. Yes, we need that content. We need that content, we need the views, and Marvel gave us that content with the sequel to Captain Marvel, which is also a mismatch, and a sequel to both Water Vision and Ms Marvel, which I think is endemic of the current problem in which Marvel finds itself. But yeah, first and foremost, just a few things.
Speaker 2:So, obviously, the headlines have been rampant over the last week with the release of this movie. It's officially going to be the worst box office opening that Marvel's ever had Not the worst reviewed movie Marvel's ever had, by any stretch. I think it's actually being reviewed quite well. It's just not performing well for a multitude of reasons, one of which is something that we touched upon with, and then Aquamania was kind of like the last thing, and Guardians also served as an example of this, where you can't really get by on just stuff, that's fine, and I think that's where this movie kind of falls, is it's fine. I liked it quite a bit. It's not like the best movie of all time. It's not the best Marvel movie of all time, but in terms of the movies that they have come out with over the last handful of years, it's probably right in the middle. I would say probably Guardians 3, black Panther, wakanda Forever what else is in that upper echelon?
Speaker 1:So are we talking from the multiversal saga? Is that what we're talking? Are we talking just the last two years?
Speaker 2:I'd say maybe from Black Widow on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean from Black Widow on, I'd probably place this around the middle as well. I mean, I have a definitive love for the Eternals that nobody else has, I guess. So I have that pretty high on my list, but I mean seriously speaking. You look at Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3, I think it's one of the best movies they've ever done. I personally think it's in the top three movies that they've ever produced and what they should be the most proud of. Shang Chi is a hidden gem, in my opinion, one that I think needs to be talked about more and more. Really incredible movie right there. I mean, if you look at the landscape of the entire MCU, I have my ranking right here. I have it towards the lower half of the middle, and I said something before too, and I said if this movie came out from 2014 to 2019, I think this movie would be fine. I think people would really be enjoying it, and I just think it's because of the state of which this movie came out in.
Speaker 1:This movie came out during one of the major strikes in Hollywood history. It also came out right after the infamous article which we're going to touch upon as well, but this movie had a lot going against it. I mean people's unwarranted disdain for Brie Larson. The fact that it's three women had in this movie. This movie was going up against a Titanus uphill battle, and the fact that it came out on the other side with above an 80% audience score is, truthfully, all you should be worried about too. So I think this is a fun movie. I mean, if we can hop right into it, it's fun. It's not one of my favorites, but I think it serves exactly what it needs to do. This movie supersedes the Black Adam thinking of it, and I guess I'm spoiling a little bit if I'm thinking post-credits without saying anything just yet. But there's so much to like in this movie and I think the main things that you want and I think what made the Infinity Saga run really well is you go through character, and I think this movie understands you go through character and if that means that Manvalani gets to play in the sand castle for a while, she gets to play in the sand castle because she's great, she's fun, she's charismatic. Give her whatever she wants, because she's the energy infection that you needed desperately at this point.
Speaker 1:I love Tiana Paris' ruggedness. I think that's my favorite thing about her character, how tough she is. She's a tank in Yule and when we talk about this movie, you're going to know exactly what we mean. And again, I think Brie Larson is a brilliant actress and she has the accolades to back it up in her career. She has the awards, she has the hardware to back it up and the way they write Captain Marvel in this universe. Like I said, it is an uphill battle for her and she has had that doubt about playing this character due to backlash. That is unwarranted. So I think she's solid in this movie too. Well, this is the best she's been. Yeah, there's no doubt around that too, I think. Even to go further, I think this is the most comfortable she's been and I think she did need other people around her as well too.
Speaker 2:Yep, I totally agree with that. Yeah, I mean, it's a double-edged thing where it's kind of a knock that obviously this is a sequel to Ms Marvel and WandaVision to some extent, but also without those two characters this movie wouldn't have worked.
Speaker 1:No, I think this movie is a whole lot less personal and launching in a little bit. I mean, the POV character of this movie is Ms Marvel. It's a character that you're supposed to kind of follow around because you know, if you look about, you know the landscape of how this movie is structured. You're kind of introduced through her first, like she's the one that's in her room first and there's a reason for that. A, it's because of the Mon Valani. B because she's probably the most relatable out of the three of us, the three of those characters too.
Speaker 1:You know, I don't know one of the complaints from Ms Marvel where people couldn't relate and I always say you never went through an awkward phase in high school, like that never happened, it happened to everybody. She is the out of the three of them. She's not this, you know ace level pilot turned, you know, tank of a superhero. She's not this mother of. You know a pilot that turned into, you know this cool. You know secret agent. You know superhero. No, she's some kid from some city, not some city, but she's a kid from a city that's going through this. You know transformative time in her life that just discovers more about herself too, like that's relatable. Her family dynamic as well is really incredible. Obviously, blue Beetle came out during the strike, but those two movies, or that show in that movie, really understood the family dynamic and why. I love the fact that, like most superhero things are like, don't tell the family until they have to find out, like it's integral to their plots of the family. No, and it's integral to this plot as well and it works.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was kind of surprised with how much the Khan family is in this movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, you know, not jumping too far ahead but probably my favorite quote line in the movie comes from Kamala's mother near the end of the movie We'll talk about it when she says what she says to her and I was like, wow, that was a really powerful moment. It invoked a lot of those same feelings that I got at the end of Ms Marvel when she has that conversation with her dad, Like that kind of similar theme to it about, like you know, you were chosen for a purpose and like, even though, like, we're worried about you, like we're still going to let you like fulfill that purpose because we believe in you. And I'm like, wow, okay, this movie's got got a little something. And I think that's one of my overall major not major complaints. But like, one of my minor gripes with the movie is that they presented a lot of interesting kind of concepts and then hit them hard enough.
Speaker 1:So I mean to even go further into that point.
Speaker 1:I think it was a sacrificial understanding of that whole point that you just made, because I think what you get is, you know, I don't even like to use Eternals because I think a lot of the ideals in Eternals were flushed out. But I think that's what some people's issues were and this is the whole you know idea that you can't please everybody, you just won't. So do you do the Eternals thing, where you do go full flesh into a lot of the ideas, you sacrifice a little bit of action but you get depth, and then people will then go on to call your movie boring. Or do you have this where your movie is fast paced, it's, I feels, action scene to action scene, yeah, but then people say your movie lacks depth. Like which one do you pick?
Speaker 1:So you know, speaking of that, I mean there are movies that transcend that and I mean this goes back to our whole point where the days of us just being able to get, okay, superhero movies are it's over. Like you know how I think about this is this as well, and I mean I can attest to this because I physically grew up with the MCU.
Speaker 1:I physically was a child when the MCU started and now I'm an adult, when the MCU is now into this new phase. I was a kid when Iron man 1 came out. I was 2008. I was 11 when that movie came out. So, oh no, I was 10 when that movie came out. Maybe 910 when that movie came out.
Speaker 1:So, thinking about it this way, I grew up and I also grew up to love movies, to love film and to want to work on films. You know, not everybody's like that, but a lot of people are in this realm where they're growing up and they start to get smarter and smarter and understand more and more. So those movies that you were having, with all these kids that were growing up just being enthralled by this universe that's so expansive and so extensive, with these point of view, characters that are so compelling, and then you get here and then you know some of your movies don't have good production value. People are smarter now. They're going to start to catch on to some of these things.
Speaker 1:So now, do I think Captain or do I think the marbles is in that realm of mediocrity? Absolutely not. I think it's absurd to think it's media. You know, compared to some of the other movies over the last couple of years. I wouldn't even you know, I wouldn't even put it close to Ant-Man 3. I wouldn't put it close to Thor 4. I think it's right, probably where Black Widow is. That's probably where I would rank it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I'm just kind of looking at I don't have the marbles like in my ranking, but I have movies kind of like in that 18 to 23 range. So I have Spider-Man, Far From Home, Bully, Race of Madness First, Doctor Strange, First Captain America, Iron man 2, Ant-Man I think the marbles probably fits right around there. And you know, again, when we did the episode where we kind of like itemized our marble list, like it feels low to say like 18 through 20, but like those movies are also good, Like it speaks to the quality of like the movies like I have before it. So like I have you know First Avengers up there, Shang-Chi, Guardians 2, Thor, Ragnarok, Black Panther, Iron man, Avengers, Endgame, Wakanda, Forever, Civil War, like all the way up the list. Like those movies are, like you know, five star movies, Like you're probably getting like four to five star movies, like 16 movies deep into these lists, so like that kind of speaks to the quality of it, and this is MCU specific.
Speaker 1:This isn't like we're not ranking these against. You know good, fellas, you know what I mean. Like this is MCU and Comma Sit. Now there are movies in here which I think exceed that. And you know what's funny about the multiversal saga? I think the multiversal saga has a bunch of movies that I really think are actual, just really well made movies. But again, what people ask are is the connective tissue that they're not getting, and that's where a lot of the anxiety from this phase is coming from.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then you know this movie. Like you said, it's you know. I think one of the best things going for it is the runtime. I think the fact that it's this kind of like hour and 40 minute shot of adrenaline really works for it.
Speaker 1:I think Brie Larson also needed to operate in that time too. And you know, having these interactions with these characters too, like I said, you are sacrificing a little bit of you know. I hate to say you're sacrificing story, you're just sacrificing emotional bit with the other characters Because you know, once we start talking about the plot of this movie, I mean a big plot point is, you know, the relationship between Carol and Carol and Monica, and it is a stray. And you know I wish we would have spent a little bit more time with that. And again, I think you made an incredible point about what this movie lacks is in that runtime. It is that you know, should we just get away from? You know staying bogged down with them, because they know the criticism behind these characters.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I mean that conflict gets wrapped up pretty quickly.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't even say quickly because it is at the beginning of the third act, but I would say it's Well because it's not really addressed Exactly, and then they kind of address it and then it's more like Carol's like.
Speaker 2:Oh sorry.
Speaker 1:And then again story structure wise, it feels like we have to get into this last fight scene, so let's get this pushing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know, there was an element of I guess we could just talk about, we could just spoil the movie now. So spoilers from here on out. Overall, I would say it's pretty good. I quite if it's a good. Again, the runtime really works for it. An hour and 40 minutes is not a huge chunk of your day, so I would definitely, I'd recommend, I'd recommend seeing this in theaters. Yeah, I think it's fast paced.
Speaker 1:The action scenes blend well together. Samuel Jackson's hilarious we're gonna have to get into because we're gonna have to address the secret invasion in the room for him as well. But you know, I think it is a solid culmination for these three characters. They work really seamlessly together. Nia Dacosta as well. Obviously, the argument for any Marvel director that steps in that's already established is what's theirs and what's Kevin's and what I believe, what I think is hers. I think she handles really well and I think she has, and she already has a bright future that she's in. I just think she has a stratosphere that she can hit and she's the last of us fan and Final Fantasy fan. Yes, she is. Don't watch Nia Dacosta. In some of those interviews she seems like incredible people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so spoilers from here on out. I mean, I guess the biggest not the biggest spoiler, but the first thing that we can talk about spoiler-wise that we, you know coincidentally maybe not so coincidentally enough didn't talk about at all in the last 15 minutes, is the villain. There's a reason for that, and the reason for that is is it's you know again, it's a Marvel, it's been a Marvel problem for quite a number of these movies.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's been a Marvel problem since probably 2010.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's the villain's not great. Zoe Ashton does well, I think she's good in it?
Speaker 1:I think she has. I think she has a lot of range as an act, Like I can just tell, like obviously I haven't seen her in anything that I can think off off the top of my head, but I could just tell she hasn't in. Her Character is just undercooked. Yeah, it's severely undercooked, it's by the books. It's just it's serving a purpose. It's not their own person, which I always take issue to.
Speaker 2:And this is kind of what I was talking about when I mentioned like there's ideas planted in this movie that they don't dive enough into and kind of her motivation is a kernel of one of those ideas, in the sense that Captain Marvel is revered as this hero but she only can solve problems the one way and that's just brute force and just like I'm going to attack this thing head on and she doesn't really think about things outside of herself, and I think that's a really interesting idea and they don't really hit it hard enough. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I mean it's something I mean. If I'm looking at other characters, century would probably have the same thing. I mean, bruce Banner is the one that pops in your mind, but Carol is cognizant of herself, so and she's impulsive a little bit. That's her thing. Avengers Endgame. Yeah, she opens with that what I love about her character, one of the traits that I really like. She's very much a person that's like tell I, don't hit me with any pleasantries, what's the thing that needs to be done?
Speaker 2:I'm going to go solve it.
Speaker 1:Like, why are we talking about anything else? Like what needs to be done? Let's just do it. So again, they're all sulking in the Avengers Endgame. She's just like okay, so where's Thanos? All right, so I'm going to go kill Thanos. Like, why are you guys all sitting here? Like I have the thunder god here, I have the incredible? Like why are we sitting here? Like, where are you going? I'm just leaving.
Speaker 1:So, and this movie, the idea is that the planet, the hella that she came from, or Hala, you know, she went to go destroy the supreme intelligence, and that's such a good plot thread to pull on from Captain Marvel.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go destroy because, you know, perspective is everything. So, from her perspective, from her movie and that's why you're the hero of your own story she needs to, and for us, as the characters or as the people that watch this movie, obviously she has to go destroy the supreme intelligence. She ruined her life. However, to the people of Hala, no, the supreme intelligence, and you know, this is why I always like contention points and movies and why movies shouldn't just flow for the easy way out. So she destroyed that planet, like she destroyed the very ecosystem of that planet. And what you find out is that Darben was one of the guards that were just guarding the guarding a hallway. And she sees Carol, and Carol just hits her with a photon blast that from the ceiling, drops some bricks on her and that's it. And then she's hell bent on revenge. Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's her care, that's her, is her origin story. So, and it's her story.
Speaker 1:That's it, that's really it. I mean, if we look at the other landscapes, malekith, he and Odin had beef from so long ago. Like I buy that, give me another one. Just start listing off some of the bottom tier villains. Oh man, hang on, I gotta go back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, pull up the Marvel ranking. I gotta go back to my list. Uh, man Taskmaster.
Speaker 1:I mean Taskmaster again was you know, seemingly killed by, by, um, why can't I think of, of, of, by almost killed by Natasha? So that's a personal, that's a personal thing.
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah, malekith is obviously like the punching bag, exactly.
Speaker 1:But, like I said, him and Odin already, had preset beef.
Speaker 2:That was. Uh. What's his name from Dr Strange? Oh?
Speaker 1:you had um Mads Mickelson? Yeah, um, is this. Maybe this is even worse, because we can't I can't remember his name. Maybe that's a bigger symptom, but Caecilius, caecilius, yes, and I guess Caecilius's beef is. You know him. The ancient one is a hypocrite Like she. I can't get all this power, but she can.
Speaker 2:I'll throw an interesting one at you, because it's this is it is it is it because of the performance or because of the character? Kang in quantimania.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think it's because of the movie itself.
Speaker 2:Like is he a good villain or is Jonathan Majors just so good that you overlook it?
Speaker 1:It's probably option B, it's obviously the making of that story is not well structured for Kang, and you know we've already beaten that head over or beaten whatever the saying is.
Speaker 2:We haven't done this in a while.
Speaker 1:But you know what I mean. So I mean my Mandarin, mandarin, I mean he. I thought, you meant I thought you meant one. I said no, no, no, no, no, no. He was great, tony Lohan doing anything. I'm happy. So I mean you know to reel this back in. The whole point is she she might have the least actual beef with the main character for me to be like, wow, you really should go after that person and believe in you, like she has the least motivation where I feel anything for you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, it's weird Like she has proper motivation, but I don't know if she's like the messenger. Well, I told you she's she's an NPC Like.
Speaker 1:She's a definition of like. If you're playing a video game, she's the definition of one of the like. Just give me a video game Like. She's like one of the clickers in the last like you, just something that's just in the way which.
Speaker 2:I mean, there's something to that and there's something like that can work. But like, the thing about her is like how did she, how did she go from that to like all these people like rallying behind her?
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. She became like a political figure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it'd be. It'd be a different story if she was kind of like this gorilla fighter. I'll give you this.
Speaker 1:So I because you know the Marvel's a cinema Now I'm kidding, I'm not, but I am. So the 2013, the place beyond the pines, ron Gosling and Bradley Cooper. So Bradley Cooper's character you know it's a three act structure in that movie, but it's like definitive three acts are built. The second act of that movie is Bradley Cooper's character kills Ron Gosling. It's what I like for a movie that came out 10 years ago One of my favorite movies of all or 11 years ago, but him being this just beat rookie cop and then he turned into this absolute political beast at the end of the movie. Like that's what I guess. This is kind of like like she was just this person that was attacked and then all these people like I was just a random person in her crosshairs and look what she did to me. Like what she did to the Supreme Intelligence, like she is what did the United?
Speaker 1:she's the annihilators they call her in this movie, but like yeah again.
Speaker 2:They like they never show us that. Like she just all of a sudden is like in charge of the Cree Right and I was like, how did you get there? And like everyone like is like bought in.
Speaker 1:And I mean, I think this is a bigger symptom, and I don't even like to say it like that, because comics are different, because comics you can do whatever you want. And there's a comic point that I'm going to get to which I guess people were complaining about, but it's a cameo that happens midway through this movie. That is very comic encoded that people that don't read comics read that as, oh, you just throw anybody in this movie just to have that like that's such a comic thing to do, to have something like that. But yeah, so what is the plot of this movie?
Speaker 2:It's, that, it's, you know it's. It's weird to say that like the villain doesn't do anything, but like she's also the impetus for like this whole movie, so she gets the other bangle. And you've seen Ms Marvel, so we learned.
Speaker 1:We learned what the bangles are yeah, they're the quantum bands from the other quantum bands for Marvel comics.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so she Darben funds the other one she is, which enables her to open these jump points, these portals.
Speaker 1:So the jump points that we've seen we've seen them in Avengers Endgame, we've seen them in all the Guardians of the Galaxy movies. So those jump points were mapped out with the quantum bands millions of years ago. So essentially, what happens is Darben is trying to open artificial ones, which big, no, no, because it's the very structure of the entire Charm, you know, starway of the Galaxy. So if you open it. So basically what she's trying to do is she's trying to pull resources from other planets, but she wants to make it personal to Carol, so she's pulling resources from the planets that she cares about.
Speaker 2:Great plan. By the way, I actually actually kind of kind of kind of good Like if you're talking about, like if you're trying to revive a dead world, like great plan, really really good plan.
Speaker 1:Oh, and now I know who the best NPC in that movie is, but but yeah. So what happens is Carol goes to investigate Monica's at Saber say your Saber for Marvel comics, you're here. So she goes up into and she's full out. Everybody knows she has powers, but she's not a superhero. That's a big point for a character in this game. She's, she's not a hero. I'm not like you guys. I'm just a person that walks. Walk through a witch, ex, shout out Wanda vision. That's your only call out to Wanda vision.
Speaker 2:That's one thing that she says it twice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she does say it twice. If I had a nickel for every time she said it I'd have 10 cents, but that's just 10 more cents that I thought I'd have 10 cents too many, but yes, so she. Carol touches one of the jump points, monica touches one of the jump points and obviously they were made by one of the quantum bands. So come on in the room and they all switch. That's the whole point of this movie.
Speaker 2:Their powers become entangled because they all deal with light based powers. So shut up idiots who complained about Ms Marvel's powers changing, because it turns out it's quite integral.
Speaker 1:That would work if she was stretchy.
Speaker 2:She does stretchy things in this.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, especially at the end too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that's the whole conceit. It paves the way for some really cool action pieces throughout the movie, first of which is in the con family home.
Speaker 1:And that is definitely needed to cost. I can tell. Yeah, I feel like all these. I feel like the first, that first action sequence in the last one were, definitely, were, definitely me is like I feel her imprint over all of that 100% and then yeah, we get the meeting of the minds, of the meeting of the heroes at one point, and Kamala Khan, obviously, is just infusion of just absolutely just incredible energy the whole time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's hilarious, she interacts, I love her. I love her and Nick or the con family and Nick Furious really good together.
Speaker 2:They're super fun. She has this. Almost we're approaching Deadpool levels of awareness of the world. Oh yeah, kind of funny.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because you know she's got the or Monica's got the iPad.
Speaker 1:It's like of course, like we're chilled slash saber, like we have Intel on any and every hero, and she's just like why is it see through? I can see the other side of it. She's like, oh, that makes sense, that plays super and I love how, like simple like, because I thought about I was like somebody probably did just leave that on their couch because they had all the things to take care of. Yeah, now she's doing big things for the universe, but we'll save that for a second.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. And then we just the plot just kind of goes, goes from there. It's a pretty, it's a simple plot. I mean the movies that I own 40 minutes. They go up to the, to the space station. They just are chatting. They're like, all right, what's the, what's the deal here, what's going on? And then is it Carol, that figures is out Like what's going on.
Speaker 1:Well, kamala says like well, she's not because they think like they're going to destroy places. She's just like well, that doesn't make sense. Why wouldn't you just put a bomber, take an army with you? And then Carol's like oh, she's trying to take, she needs it because and this is you know Carol's whole arc in this movie is like am I the annihilator or am I not Like?
Speaker 2:that and then you know it's an interesting piece. When we go to the one of the scroll kind of refugee planets, right is the first one that gets attacked.
Speaker 1:Emperor Grosz from the droge, from the comics is there, yeah. And also shouted out in secret invasion, multiple times Yep.
Speaker 2:So we find out that the scrolls are there, and then Darben shows up and we get an assault. It's pretty pretty standard affair.
Speaker 1:And then we get our Spider-Man homecoming. Never Meet your Heroes bit, yep, yeah, which is really good, because you see this arc that I wish they just would have pulled and pulled on for Carol. This would have really, I think, set resonated her character with a lot more people. Is that? You know, kamala's like all right, I'm young and naive, so we need to save everybody. And Carol's like absolutely not. So obviously their powers are entangled and you know, darben, you know, does her bidding the planet's starting to get destroyed. She's pulling the atmosphere so that the way they can start to breathe on Hala. So you know, atmosphere is going. And Kamala's like we need to save everybody. And Carol's like no, we're going to save who we can and leave, like that's, that's the job. And she's just like you can watch all these people die. And she's like, yep, like that's that's the job. Sorry, sorry, kid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, and honestly I wish they would have tugged on that a little bit longer, but the movie would have had to have been longer if we were going to do that, and I mean they don't talk long enough, but they also resolve it in a really cool way in the sense that like they kind of like crash landed and then you see for the first time, like Carol kind of unravels where she's like I'm. She kind of has that like maybe I'm the monster moment that, like the vision has.
Speaker 1:And who gets her real back in its? Monica gets her real back, and she's just like you're not the annihilator, like I, just you shouldn't have left, though, like you shouldn't have just closed yourself off from everybody else.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then I think it's Carol says to her like I didn't want to, I couldn't come back because I didn't want you to see me as the annihilator the monster Right and it was like that's why you never came back Like that's so dumb.
Speaker 1:I just wanted my aunt Carol back. That's all I wanted and like. And that that little flashback sequence where you know, inside of the blip, when Carol comes back to earth, when you know she tells her Maria tells her the cancer's back, she's just like and what's Carol's immediate response? No, no.
Speaker 2:I'm going to punch the eggs.
Speaker 1:Obviously she doesn't. But like seriously, she's just like nope, like absolutely not, it's not back, we'll deal with it. You beat it again. Well, that's exactly who her character is. She's so hard headed and so stuck in her ways. And then who does she need to get out of it? She needs, she needs this team. She needs the team to get out of it. So that plan is destroyed. Obviously we jumped ahead a bit, but that plan is destroyed. You know, again, the secret invasion tie up for this movie, which I thought was going to be way more, is just Droge is like we need, we need a new home, who's got a bunch of real estate, and new Asgard and Tessa Thompson shows up, valkyrie shows up King Valkyrie. And this is the thing where I guess a lot of people didn't like this. I don't see why, because that's such a comic thing to happen, where a character just shows up and does something and leaves.
Speaker 2:I actually. It's exchange doesn't do a regular.
Speaker 1:No, and it's not, you know, the biggest thing you don't want to make. You don't want to not like actual offense but narrative offense. There's no narrative offense of this, it all. She's there and I love the relationship between her and Carol, like it's like that coworker that you're so, so cool that's how I played it Like that coworker, you're so, so cool with you. Know, once you get that Avengers card, it's serious. But yeah, she, you know, that's probably the most emotion I saw from Carol up until that point in the movie Like she's just like, like crap, like I, like this actually went horribly. I can't like, am I a saver of P? Again, to that point of her kit. Am I a saver of people or am I just, you know, am I a survivor that helps people survive and I, am I this destroyer of worlds? So, yeah, they leave with Valkyrie and then plan a we need to figure out how to use our powers together. B we need to stop Darben, because where's she going? Yeah, carol's very, very weird. Did she say that weird? She said that really weird. Mom Valani's she's great, but Carol's going.
Speaker 1:They have to go to this. Well, what's the planet called? Remember, remember, but it's like a water plant. That's 96.6% water. That's an oddly specific number, says Monica Rambo. How do you know that? She's like no big deal. I'm just the princess of this planet. It's no big deal. So they go down. Man, I forget who it is that that plays the prince of this planet. I know he's a famous. He's a famous artist, park Su Jun. Yeah, he was actually pretty funny. I actually maybe one of my favorite jokes from the movie is the he's bilingual. So so this whole planet that they go to, that Carol's the princess of, just so. You guys know it's a musical planet, so they only speak in song.
Speaker 2:Well, this is the bit Remember when this movie first, like the rumbling started that this was going to be a musical, people were losing it. Absolutely not. They still got a musical bit.
Speaker 1:And it was funny. It's pretty fun. You know who was the best in that whole bit? It was. Monica was the best in that whole bit. She was incredible the whole time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we got a straight up musical bit in the middle of this cat's a marble movie. It wasn't aggressive.
Speaker 1:It went by pretty quick, Like I thought. You know it was pretty aggressive, but I still think it didn't last long for me to be offended by it.
Speaker 2:No, it could have. It could have. There's a million ways that it could have. Went terribly Like they could have stretched out out for like 20, 30 minutes. It was literally like five minutes. It's five minutes. They do a Disney princess bit where she kind of does like a Cinderella, like you know.
Speaker 1:But again, this is starting. The MCU at this point is starting to reach, like, the comic level of awareness. Like how did like just sparkles start going up and she just transforms magic, like nobody's asking any questions about anything, like. I love how I love, how normal everything is now? Yeah, but they get. They get their new shoots.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they're both. They're okay. I mean, the spectrum suits the best one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, carols, I think it's, it's fine, I think the biggest.
Speaker 2:I wish it would have when. I wish it would have stayed brighter right, yeah, I don't why? I don't I know why hers was so muted, Mm-hmm. And then the Ms Marvel one is over to die.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly what I would have done is, you know, leave her in her suit. She didn't need to change anything. I don't think.
Speaker 2:I like it for the magic scarf.
Speaker 1:What was that? What was that?
Speaker 2:They gave her the Indiana Jones. That's what I was gonna say. You're an Indiana Jones with that was something.
Speaker 1:No mask too. I wish she would have kept the mask, but I'm just gonna. She'll probably get it. Oh yeah, oh, I think she's just gonna get her old suit back. So so, yeah, and again, this movie is really action sequence, action sequence. So launch is right into the third or the end of the second act, I guess action sequence.
Speaker 1:I really like Monica's power set. I think she is probably I'm gonna probably spoil. I mean, I guess how we do this is how do we do this MVP of the movie without saying I'm on Vellani or Miss Marvel? So I guess I'm gonna have to go with Monica, because just her power set alone I Really want to see her with a prime team of Avengers. Like that's how I feel about her. Like she's so well, yeah, hang on, hang on. But yeah, she, she looks, she's really good. She looks really good in that in the role. She's just, I mean, she's kind of rivaling Carol for some of the times too. Like her power set is really, really up there. You can tell she's really. She was really high on the spectrum. See what I did there. That's the best bit, that I'm trying to give her a superhero name.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's solid, it's pretty good. So I fight Darben again, and then they you know she wants the water now.
Speaker 1:So she got the atmosphere from whatever planet that the scrolls were on. Now she wants the water from this planet. And then, ah crap, what's last?
Speaker 2:and then, well, she gets the.
Speaker 1:Second yeah, yeah, kamal reveal she's. She's the one where she. Where did you get that? Oh, my grandma.
Speaker 2:Send it to me in the mail.
Speaker 1:Um, so she gets the second mango and she gets away again and Carol's like that's it, like I've had it and I annihilated, activated, and Kamal is like well, maybe if we leave we can regroup because we're about to die in the spaceship If you stop going into things so head on, and they all have the ending. Obviously it's the yeah, it's the reconciled pre-third acts. Everybody gets together, huddle up, everybody get together. They were let's chat for a little bit, yep, and you know that's the reconciled we. We find out that. You know, monica, all she wanted was her aunt to come back. That's it. You know. Even even Kamala admits like I came on too strong, like I, it was too much for me. But I'm just happy to meet with you guys and you know You're, you're incredible as carol. You're not incredible just because you're captain marvel, like you're incredible because you're carol danvers. And they hug, they hug. It's fun, it's great, it's sweet.
Speaker 2:They go back to the safer space station, which is yeah, there's an infestation.
Speaker 1:At the space station. Yeah, the space station is shutting down, Uh well, darben, what, oh man, she turns into doc. Ah, the power of the sun and the power of my aunt. She's gonna steal the sun. She's stealing our son because carol puts it together. She's stealing everything from all the people I care about. So what's last planet earth? Oh crap, we need our son.
Speaker 2:It's gonna get mad. Oh yeah, it's gonna get chilly. So they uh, goose is in this movie. Yeah, goose is there, um, so what happens on the saber is we can't get all these people off the space station. And then there's these eggs, they hatch and it's more kittens, more kittens everywhere more flurkins, yep. Hilarious sequence great sequence that the flurkins start eating the saber agents.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they figured out, because all the escape pods are just, they're unable to be used, they're all being destroyed and everybody's like, well, these flurken kitties can just eat everybody, and then, and then we'll, and then they save the day. Oh man, it's so funny. The escape pods start going because darben's starting to steal the sun. She's doing her best doc-ock impression, she's stealing the sun. They're all in the escape pods. Oh man, that little bit or um, it's the con family and nick fury, and uh, her brother starts praying and it's like what are you doing? He's like sorry, I was like nah, no, keep going.
Speaker 1:Don't stop now, don't stop, amen, hey Nick fury.
Speaker 2:Nick fury.
Speaker 1:Should we address the secret invasion thing now? Yeah, who, who is this?
Speaker 2:He's just, he's just the funny guy now.
Speaker 1:That's where his role is now I just think he's like a boss that like already maxed out, like how much money he can make in a year, and like he's already older. So he's like I, I don't care, no more, I'm just having, I'm having a good time. I've always I'm all. I've almost died 89 times.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's just, he's just quips. Now, exactly he. He filled the void that Tony Stark left behind. He's just that, he's just the quippy guy. Now. Black girl magic.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's just carol, it's all right.
Speaker 2:Yeah it's. It's kind of crazy that he that this is the path that fury went down.
Speaker 1:It's just so abrupt from secret invasion I know it's like the complete opposite of what the whole cell of secret invasion was. Oh, we didn't need secret invasion, not at all. That show didn't do anything because he's the same, he's like the same guy.
Speaker 2:So they crash, land back on earth, the obvious in the sun's going, sun's leaving. So they have one last kind of group meeting, team meeting, and they're like we got to go, stop her, we got to do this. And then again we get that really nice moment between Kamala and her family where her mom basically tells her like you got to go, like I understand chosen by the universe for a reason yeah, so you got to go and they go, and then we cue. I mean this is the best. Oh, fight scene in the movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah without a, without a second thought. It's awesome, carol. Carol comes in. Carol's like what's up, darben, you ready to catch some hands? Darben's like I have two quantum bands at this point, what are you gonna do? Well, I have two other marbles with me. What are you gonna do? Monica, just just punch right. I love mom Monica's mo Hands. That's her whole mo, the whole movie. If darben's in any specific spot, monica lands a right cross to her in like four different times, and I'm not even joking. There's like four times where mom darben's just in a place and Monica just pulls up and just decks her right in the face it's incredible but just knocks her out. They get up. It's the more you know. You know that that point goes. So three of them are together and then it's like the music cuts and then, like you know, kamala throws like the light on the ground, like slides on it, like Like carol's, like it's. It's awesome, it's a really good fight.
Speaker 1:It's tremendous, it's pretty visceral, which I which I appreciate. I always, like you know a little bit more tough and rugged fight sequences, um, but yeah, they're. They're given darben the hands. Uh, nia's camera movement's really well done. I gave me a lot of vibes of how James Gunn was doing the suicide squad too. Uh, those quick in like close personal you know, yeah, pans and tilts. I thought we're really really really solidly well done, um, and then darben gets stabbed. Man, that, that was tough, that got a that. And when we went, that got a good, yeah, that was everyone.
Speaker 1:That was tough. Darben's like ah, the annihilator's gonna annihilate. Oh, she should have said that that would have been fun. But yeah, she's dead. She's dead to rights and she plays to carol's humanity. She's just like, well, well, carol's like all right, can you, can you stop? Can you give us back the sun?
Speaker 2:Yeah, carol's, like we'll find you know find another way to help.
Speaker 1:We got.
Speaker 2:She's like you will, and carol's like yeah, we will, and I'm good now.
Speaker 1:I meant come on con, I'm good.
Speaker 2:And carol's like yeah, we will.
Speaker 1:And darben's like all right and then carol lifts the, lifts the thing off her and darben's like ah, I'm still a villain, I'm still a villain. I love that actually, because she went full send into villains. So many times there's like they do the redemption and they'll do the heroic sacrifice at the end.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but no, darben's was like no darben stood on business.
Speaker 1:I appreciate she stood right upon business. I like it. I'm actually still a villain. Yeah, I have the villain in this movie. I'm the top paid villain of this movie. So what did you expect me to do? Hands were gonna be had at some point. So she puts the hammer right on kamala's and she's just like I'm gonna kill the kid. So what are we gonna do?
Speaker 2:Also, what's, what's up with the hammer?
Speaker 1:I don't know, because ronan's hammer was powered by the power stone, exactly. But this power, the hammer, is just a hammer, but it's the, I mean, it's the. You're the universal, what's the universal? Whatever from.
Speaker 2:But also still looks like it's powered by the power stone. I don't know, I don't know. I guess it's powered by the bangle.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, because it was still doing the stuff without the bangle's help. I don't know man. I don't know man, ask why.
Speaker 2:But yeah, yeah, I'm gonna steal the sun now Go bye.
Speaker 1:And then we launch into like this, like man of steel s, go out into space and just punch each other For a bit which I thought was it looked cool. And then you know, darben's, like you know what, I'm taking everything with me and then just dies, yeah.
Speaker 2:She couldn't handle the heat. She's like I'm gonna wonder woman, smash the bangles together, and carol's like don't do it, you're gonna explode probably.
Speaker 1:You don't have the, you don't have light based powers, you can't do that.
Speaker 2:You don't have the facilities for that big man.
Speaker 1:And then she just, and then she dies Rip darben. She does die, she does just die.
Speaker 2:Yep, that's it, huh. See you later, darben. But then a greater, a greater threat emerges, a big hole.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but she's.
Speaker 2:So she tore a spit, she tore a hole in spacetime and then everyone went, everyone familiar with, like the multiverse saga went. Oh, oh, we forgot we have to actually do this.
Speaker 1:So Huge the hole torn in the sky. Monica's just like I guess I'll take care of this so they infuse her with both. So kamal gets both bangles. Um infuses her with with all that power, because essentially what the plan is that she's gonna use all the power. She's gonna use the, the light, close the hole. Yeah, she's gonna close the hole. She's gonna use the light energy from carol or the photon energy from carol, and she's gonna use the you know the cosmic weaving of the bangles to turn herself into.
Speaker 1:You know Spectrum at this point, yeah, without being spectrum. She won't say it. We know who you are. Um goes out into the other side, goes super saiyan, go super saiyan, which was pretty cool and carols and then monica goes over the con, just like I I always knew I was gonna have to stay closes it carols. You know, I think that's the biggest thing that carols can do is just like Big eithan, hunt from mission impossible, from from dead, reckoning energy when he's going to save, also like carols just booking it trying to save her and that's it.
Speaker 2:She's trapped on the other side in the universe. We do not know anything of or or do we, or do we Um? So they land, they get back to, they get. Well, kamala lands. She's the only one off the ship, and then she could have said that a little bit better.
Speaker 1:I just think it was also like a you know.
Speaker 2:I, I thought it was fine, and then and then, carol carols gone, carol flew to halla, yep and all the creeper like no, it's the annihilator help. She's come to destroy us. But uh she. Then she channels her inner dock off and she goes.
Speaker 1:The power of the sun and the palm of my hands literally and just Reignites to their son which she should have done. Well, she didn't think she could do. It Is carol dumb, no-transcript. Monica's the smart one, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, Karen didn't think she was powerful. She's just like an ace pilot Karen don't think she was powerful enough to do it. And then Monica was like if you just believe in yourself, she really did do that.
Speaker 1:She turned herself into Danny Tanner. That was crazy.
Speaker 2:If you just believe that you're cats and Marvel, you can power the Sun and she's like I don't give a shot and she does. She powers the Sun so Hilariously, darben Literally gave her life to give you know, give the people of Hala back their planet, and then she dies and then Captain Marvel's the hero of Hala.
Speaker 1:I wanted.
Speaker 2:Darben just gets forgotten.
Speaker 1:I wanted the reading rainbow music to play when you said that.
Speaker 2:So Darben just gets forgotten about, because Captain Marvel saved us. Yeah, thanks Captain Marvel, she did it, she did it Darben's in the afterlife.
Speaker 1:They got to find a way to bring her back. Actually, oh, what if she's like shocker from like the 90s spider Shocker?
Speaker 2:Now she has to do a reverse revenge, because Captain Marvel saved her planet, so now she has to come back to destroy Hala.
Speaker 1:That would actually be incredible. So so little wrap up. Monica's gone and Maria is gone, so Carol packs up their house, which they're gonna move into the cons are gonna move into yeah, which it seems like yeah, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 2:That's a short.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now she's gonna be close to Sam Wilson. Have you ever thought about that? No, I did Not, even a little bit, but now, now you do, and yeah that's the models.
Speaker 2:Yeah, kamala, carol, sharon moment in the plane, kind of mirroring Carol's moment with young Monica, and then, and then, and then, and then.
Speaker 1:But or Carol or Kamala's, just like I haven't. I haven't. I had an idea to bring together a group of young Avengers. So we just pan into New York City and we see a window or a door and a dog and a dog.
Speaker 1:And you're like what? In that door we see a bow and arrow and lo and behold, who is it, kate Bishop. And then who's sitting in the chair the absolute perfect way to use her to. It's so smart, yeah, it's pretty good. So she's just like wow, hi, kate Bishop, you know you're part of a much larger universe. It's incredible.
Speaker 2:We do the Nick. It's the Iron man, nick Fury bit from Iron man 1. It's so smart.
Speaker 1:It's so funny. Yep, she's just like you know. You know there's a whole bunch of teen superheroes.
Speaker 2:I'm actually 23, so I love that they acknowledge that Everyone for the longest time was like she's too old to be in the young Avengers. She's too old, we know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the point. She's like the old, she's like the older sister of them. We know she's too old. So, yeah, she's just like well, I'm 23. Well, she's just like do you want to join? Because Ant-Man also has a daughter. So thoughts just like why not?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So guys, deaf now I can't. So we get the official yeah, young Avengers set up.
Speaker 1:I love the conceit behind it. Yeah, because the whole thing is somebody left like the iPad with every hero's information on her couch in her living room. She just took it. She just took it and turned into Nick Fury.
Speaker 2:It's pretty great. I love, I love that it was funny, it was really funny and then all right, and then the movie ended.
Speaker 1:No post-credits scene.
Speaker 2:Ah, of course as opposed to credit scene. Come on. Monica wakes up.
Speaker 1:You know, in a random hospital, in a not a futuristic but a very high-tech hospital bed, yep, and who's sitting next to her? Her mom, mom, mom, is that you off? And then this is that was by far the best that Tiana Paris was in the whole movie. It was very raw. She's like mom, like started crying, like it was, it was great. And Maria's like who are you? What are you talking? I don't have any children, what are you talking about? And then who walks by? What? We hear? A voice first, yeah, how is our patient doing? And, lo and behold, it's Kelsey Grammer's beast, which got a very, very, very, very good reaction from everybody in the crowd on that opening night.
Speaker 2:They can just start started saying he started science.
Speaker 1:He started doing the science that beast does. It's great. What is little glasses was little glasses, and his lab coat. And you could see, and I have some theories about this you can see that 90s costume, beast Costume right under that lab coat and Maria takes off her blanket that she was wearing and she's got the.
Speaker 2:She's got this, the Binary suit on and she's got both the bangles, both quantum bands. Yep, so she's yeah, she's binary and beast is like you did a time trap, you did a dimension travel.
Speaker 1:Which shouldn't even be able to happen. But here you are.
Speaker 2:From the Monica said you didn't see Dr Strange, she did you beast. We've been known that you can do this.
Speaker 1:Come on, buddy, we thought you were the smart one, like you should know. And then Maria's like who the heck are you? And Monica's like ah, crap, and that's it that's a fun time. It was a fun time fun, fast-paced Action to action, sequence couple, emotional, but it's not as much as I would have liked, but you got a couple. The movie flows Pretty smoothly. I would say, yeah, I do have my gripes and my issues, but you know, are we back? That's that's. That's a question for another day.
Speaker 2:That's a question, a question.
Speaker 1:But yeah, it's it's, it's fine, it's fun, it's cool, it's not offensive. Like I said, this movie came out from 2014 to 2019. Everybody would be all over this movie.
Speaker 2:It's got some. It's got some really unique elements to it which I always appreciate, and these Marvel movies, when they do something a little bit different from the other, from the others and this definitely did that Took some swings which I appreciated. Yeah, I really liked it. You know, I obviously liked it a lot better than the first catch of Marvel movie. It's the best breed larson's ever been in the role I'm on. Vlani Obviously just just had her fingerprints all over it. Tiana Paris was really, really good. You know, I think the best thing you can say after seeing a movie like this is like I want to see more from these characters, but in the right way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, exactly, and that's the Marvel's. We should do something we haven't done in a while. Let's do it, let's do it, let's do it, let's get them out.
Speaker 1:We'll keep it. We'll keep it simple, though. Oh man, this is actually the best one. What's the best character that doesn't need to be in this movie? That was a great category that we had. It's, it's Darben's right-hand man. What's that guy's name? I don't know, but also he's the. Also the best NPC in the. No, no, no, no, no. I actually take that back. I have a way better NPC. A Saddest moment, um, saddest moment? I, oh, it's one. It's one, carol, when they were trying to do the, so basically when they were trying to find the planets that Darben was going after, where Darben was going. It was the same thing from captain from the first Captain Marvel movie, with the mine thing where they can use that device, that free device or that scrolled I can't remember who's it was.
Speaker 1:There's a crew device device and you know they're going through all of their, all of their memories.
Speaker 2:And Carol can't get off of the memories with Maria and Monica when she was a kid, that that was sad and then they all hugged yeah, man, I think uh, monica's, monica's sacrifice, yeah kind of hits, especially like when you build into the the whole Captain Marvel thing where like she doesn't lose you know Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:She does all usually find a way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I think it was. You know that was tough, just because you know Monica kind of not got one up on her, but she was. You know, she kind of always knew that she wasn't coming back and she didn't tell Carol, kind of Kind of mirroring kind of how Monica felt about Carol to begin with. Like Carol said she was gonna come back and then didn't. And then Monica, you know, they thought she was gonna come back and then she didn't.
Speaker 1:Yep, um, best relationship Carol Monica no, it's the con family. Yeah, oh, I take that back. It's the con family and Nick Fury. It's the actual best relationship in this movie. Most heroic moment Monica sacrifice sacrifice without a doubt best bit.
Speaker 2:Any Nick Fury, yeah doing anything. Yeah, Nick Fury being being the quippy guy yeah, being quippy Nick Fury, but also them trying to come, all trying to give Monica a superhero. That's fun.
Speaker 1:That's fun. It lasts the whole time. Best Favorite cameo yeah it's, it's beast.
Speaker 2:Not beat around the bush. I don't mention devalquerie, though I didn't. I did like that best set. Uh, I like that the water playing out a lot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, hladna, I finally remembered what it was. I do like and this is gonna sound stupid, but I do like. I did really like the con house, just because of the way you have to like as a movie maker, you have to operate an action sequence and obviously the set, but I I'm always you know, you know me like those things I always think are pretty cool. Yeah, yeah you know the definition of movie magic. So best heat check performance.
Speaker 2:Um, I, I mean, is it Kamala's brother? Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. I was like man he, he doesn't do a ton, but like that's kind of a point or is it Kamala's mom?
Speaker 1:I think it is come on I guess she hits all the beats. She's funny. She has those emotional beats.
Speaker 2:She's a motivator, she gives Kamala, she's kind of like the embodiment of everything that we loved about the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Kind of like just she's kind of at the core of the humanity of it all and I yeah, she is funny also, but like she really hits those emotional moments really, really hard. I agree.
Speaker 1:I agree 100%. Best NPC it was Monica's buddy that never gives good news. Yes, I can't remember his name. He said you know, it's never too late, or it's never too early to start your life insurance. How old are you 306?. Do you have a couple good news? We lost all of our skate bars. That is not good news. Best song the Beastie Boys, was it, or was it the one where they went into the room to go find the prince on the ladna?
Speaker 2:The actual song, the guy because he looked at Monica.
Speaker 1:She's like you can look a little cheery, best world building or lore moment. Do I just keep humming the X-Men theme like, is that what I'm gonna?
Speaker 2:do the whole time.
Speaker 1:I think it's the idea of what the incursions could be in the future. Okay, I think it's this, or I guess it is the young Avengers.
Speaker 2:For me it would be the young Avengers, but yeah, yeah, and I mean, there's stuff that, like we're probably never gonna get.
Speaker 1:You know it's one of the I think one of the major misses of the MCU and I mean we're probably gonna get it back when we get to the X-Men, because I have a feeling that the X-Men and Fantastic four are gonna be more travelers and the MCU versus. They're very earth-based and and you know the Fox universe, the Kree scroll war itself was never like they had to do a whole Avengers famous arc Just to get the whole ideal of the Kree scroll war like it's such this massive thing that's happening. Carol even says it like the Kree colonized 25%, conquered 25% of the universe. 25% is crazy, that's a lot. That's a lot. So it's one fourth, that's one fourth and these people had so much beef with just the scrolls like that's how bad it got. Like that's why I said like it Should have went see Avengers, secret Invasion and then Avengers Kree scroll war would have would have played, in my opinion.
Speaker 2:That's why I like that one bit where the the scroll guy was like you know, we're here to discuss a peace treaty. Carol was like no, they were not.
Speaker 1:You gotta know you gotta do better son. You gotta do better ever Favorite performance. That's not about.
Speaker 2:Bonnie. Yeah, that's the that's a conceit. Um, I would say it's either Tiana Paris or, honestly, probably, real arson.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna, I'm probably, I mean I sport, I'm gonna go Tiana Paris, like I said, I, I, you know where she would have fit the best. I don't know how this makes sense. She would have fit really well in age of Ultron and not like Obviously the character wouldn't make any sense in age of Ultron, but like how kind of you know, that movie started to dive into some of the darker tones. I feel like that's where her character will like Benefit the most, if that makes sense. Yeah, infinity war as well too, like those darker tone to Avengers movies, like I feel like Tiana Paris or feel like Monica would be really good in those, because the way she fights like she's capable, she's tough, like that's exactly how I appreciate it. So, um, your favorite shot is there. Is there cinema in this movie? Ah, not as much as I would have liked.
Speaker 2:I did like the the shot of. It's the close-up shot of Monica, right before she gets sealed off and it's kind of got like all the colors in front of her while she's, you know, kind of like Reconciling with the fact that she's not gonna go back. I kind of like that.
Speaker 1:That's kind of a nice shot to me. Yeah, that shot of Darben was cool, like when she's about to die. That shot is kind of I do like when, when Carol is just you know, her and Darben are just duking it out in space, like that is pretty cool too. And then I mean our favorite moment from the movie.
Speaker 2:I think right before. I mean it segues until, like our. You know, whatever my favorite line would be was right before they go on last mission, kamal's mom tells her You're chosen for a greater purpose, so you must go, but I will never let you go. Mm-hmm, that's, that's, that's it, that's the stuff and that's the heart of the movie thing. Like Kamala is the heart.
Speaker 1:Do more of that, do more of that, do more of that marble. That's the good stuff. That's the good stuff. Yeah, that's what made Guardians 3 work incredibly well. It's what made Black Panther both Black Panthers work yeah, any of those top movies and always has something like that in there too. So, and that's the marbles.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it was a good time. It's a good fun time, you know, I don't know when we're gonna see cats, a marvel again. Don't know when we're gonna see spectrum again, assuming we're gonna see Ms Marvel, captain.
Speaker 1:Marvel nope, that's taken. Vision, nope, doesn't work. Photon Professor Marvel. And then she's like Spectrum lady spectrum. It's not. None of these are hitting. I Like the scene where they were learning our pet, like where they Tremendous where they were finally learning how to be see boys. Yeah, now the little part where they were doing the hops or they were doing these double-dutch, the double-dutch, and Kamala wouldn't jump in. She's like give me a second, I got it, I'll get there.
Speaker 2:I'm assuming Kamala is the next we're gonna see next, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, cuz I'm the three of them. I would probably do a Miss Marvel season 2. I would probably expedite that a little bit because you are full-sent on this. If you're gonna do this TV thing and you're gonna keep going. I think Loki is a really good attest to keep the seasons running like, treat these as actual television shows instead of things you need to see to get to somewhere. They still should be encompassing of their own thing. So I do think you do a season 2.
Speaker 2:I would do a season 2 of Miss Marvel, but but have it be her and Kate Bishop Yep.
Speaker 1:I think that would be our hero, kate Bush up, and Cassie Lang would probably be. I would do the three of them to start. And then you, you said you said wait that right into your, into your young Avengers movie.
Speaker 2:Like I would love that, like I would love if you, even if, like, the first half of Miss Marvel season 2 is her and Kate Bishop and Kate Bishop kind of being in the situation that Hawkeye was, I love it.
Speaker 1:I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it.
Speaker 1:Yep, that would make a lot of sense. Also, that would be really cool for Kamala because she would be. You know what that would play like. It would play a lot like Miles Morales and Spider-Man 2 the video game. Because Where's he going? He's about to go to college, just like Kamala was. I think that would play really well of. Like you know, kate just got out of college. She's gonna play the Hawkeye role that she just got out of, being the fangirl over somebody. And then Kamala, you know, going from New York and back to Jersey City. They're like where are you going? Like we're like, you're not a vigilante. I would also really like that. Like you know, you're this huge hero that saved Jersey City, but like, what else is there to save?
Speaker 2:Like are you?
Speaker 1:just gonna go patrolling the streets every night. Like are you gonna get the rest of your life started? Like I think that would be it. I think that's what I want to see for for Kamala Khan. Like what's next? Like are you an Avenger? Like there's no Avengers right now. So, like, what is your thing right now? Like what crime are you stuck? Like there's no, what crime are you stopping? Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 2:So yeah, and then that's for when we're gonna see spectrum again.
Speaker 1:That's gonna get kind of interesting and I have a very strong theory of where I think we're gonna see her again and I think that's gonna be in Doctor Strange. 3 will be the next time we see we see Monica Rambo and then I'm assuming Captain Marvel's probably not showing up until Avengers, right well, this Brings about a or Captain America 4.
Speaker 1:Well, you know my theory on what I think Captain America 4 is gonna. I think Captain America 4 is gonna have the formation of the new Avengers, which would entail having Captain Marvel there. So, because, what did I say? Ant-man was Captain Marvel. She Hulk Captain America. Who else Hulk? Doctor Strange, doctor Strange? I, I don't even think Doctor Strange would be on that lineup. I think it would be, and Bucky would be on that. On that of no, no, bucky would not be on that Avenger scene because he's gonna Go be a Thunderbolt, yep. So yeah, I think that could be the next time we see her. Isn't Captain America 4? Even if so, I don't, that's, I don't even that there's a very big possibility or it's a probability she won't be in that movie. So, yeah, it actually might be. Whatever the you know, the spoiler replacement for Kang dynasty is probably gonna be, because Kang dynasty probably is gonna be completely reworked into something else.
Speaker 1:Yeah, do you do dark rain for Avengers 5? You could, because if we're gonna, because the whole thing it seems like is is we're doing, if we're gonna do the Thunderbolts, the Thunderbolts would lead, would lead right in a dark rain. But do you do? But is the Thunderbolts dark rain itself Like? Is that already what the movie is? That's the question. Or and I had actually what might play Do you just do Avengers vs X-Men and have the Avengers from the MCU fight the X-Men from from not 838, you have them fight them from whatever the universe that beast just came from? Yeah, does that play better as a? Probably?
Speaker 2:that probably, that probably makes a billion dollars.
Speaker 1:So so essentially what you do is you you essentially mix Timer, like Hickman's time runs out, and Avengers vs X-Men, and you make them one story, and then you do the battle, like essentially what you could do is you can do the 84 secret wars in there or 86 secret wars in there and do the battle worlds. But the battle world is the, like the Fox X-Men universe with the Fox Fantastic Four, with Daredevil, with, with Blade, with the MC, like now, whoever the beyonder can. Well, now we don't know. And Well, we're gonna talk about this in a separate episode, because this, this brings about a Infinitely larger conversation or have talked about it in a separate episode.
Speaker 2:Depending on what I put this one out true.
Speaker 1:Levels of egregious, as when we did the Batman and we lied about seeing the movie.
Speaker 2:Oh, we either will talk about it or we have talked about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the world may never know time travel.
Speaker 2:All right, guys, that's gonna do it for this Marvel's, the Marvel's review. You can follow us on Twitter at project INF underscore pod. I'm amazed I remember the handle after it's been so long. You can follow us on Instagram at the project infinite pod. Thank you so much. Yeah, either you will hear this before or after our latest episode, in which we talked about Most of the stuff that we missed. I'm not gonna say all, because all those, a lot, yeah, but a lot of the, a lot of the heavy things that we kind of miss, namely the All the shakes up shake ups at Marvel, obviously the strike reconciling, and then just other movie news and notes that, uh, that we haven't had a chance to talk about with you guys.
Speaker 1:So Stay tuned for that, or hopefully you enjoyed it, if, if we have already put it out and thank you to the WGA and sag af sag, after a shout out to you guys got what you deserved. I still think you guys deserve anything and everything, because you guys, all the content that we love runs through you guys, and that's just the truth of the matter.
Speaker 2:So it's good to be it is good to be back. All right, guys, we'll see you next time. Goodbye, peace.