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In the great words of LeBron James: “It’s about damn time.” The strikes are over and we dodged a bullet when the recent writers and actors' strike concluded with a win for human creativity. We dissect this victory and the ripple effects it's had on the industry.
No conversation about the film industry is complete without discussing the films themselves. We're taking you on a rollercoaster ride through our thoughts and feelings about the hottest releases that we missed out on - from the deeply philosophical Oppenheimer to the delightfully quirky Barbie, and onto the highly-anticipated movies waiting in the wings like The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes.
Lastly, we have to talk about the Marvel Cinematic Universe. We're pulling back the curtain on our concerns, speculations, and hopes for the future of the franchise. We're chatting about the impact of leak culture, the controversy stirred by a recent Variety article, and the potential plotlines we’re excited about. Plus, we're exploring the role of showrunners (GASP) and the effect they could have on Marvel's future projects. And if that isn't enough, we're also brainstorming casting ideas for a potential Fantastic Four film and sharing our thoughts on upcoming projects like Deadpool 3 and the (potential?) Kang Dynasty. So, buckle up and join us for a weekly deep-dive into the world of fandom!
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0:00 Intro
01:30 Strike Recap
09:06 Barbenheimer Happened
19:11 Ahsoka, The Creator, Gen V and Other Things
29:23 Gaming – Spider-Man 2, Baldur’s Gate and Much More
34:23 What The Heck Happened to Marvel Studios?
01:15:27 Pedro Pascal to be Mr. Fantastic in the MCU Fantastic 4 & Loki Follow-Up
01:34:24 Signing Off, Topic for Next Week (Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes)
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In the great words of LeBron James: “It’s about damn time.” The strikes are over and we dodged a bullet when the recent writers and actors' strike concluded with a win for human creativity. We dissect this victory and the ripple effects it's had on the industry.
No conversation about the film industry is complete without discussing the films themselves. We're taking you on a rollercoaster ride through our thoughts and feelings about the hottest releases that we missed out on - from the deeply philosophical Oppenheimer to the delightfully quirky Barbie, and onto the highly-anticipated movies waiting in the wings like The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes.
Lastly, we have to talk about the Marvel Cinematic Universe. We're pulling back the curtain on our concerns, speculations, and hopes for the future of the franchise. We're chatting about the impact of leak culture, the controversy stirred by a recent Variety article, and the potential plotlines we’re excited about. Plus, we're exploring the role of showrunners (GASP) and the effect they could have on Marvel's future projects. And if that isn't enough, we're also brainstorming casting ideas for a potential Fantastic Four film and sharing our thoughts on upcoming projects like Deadpool 3 and the (potential?) Kang Dynasty. So, buckle up and join us for a weekly deep-dive into the world of fandom!
Timecodes are provided if you want to skip around to your topic of choice! Thank you to everyone who continues to support and don’t forget to subscribe to download new episodes as they become available and don’t be afraid to share a rating!
0:00 Intro
01:30 Strike Recap
09:06 Barbenheimer Happened
19:11 Ahsoka, The Creator, Gen V and Other Things
29:23 Gaming – Spider-Man 2, Baldur’s Gate and Much More
34:23 What The Heck Happened to Marvel Studios?
01:15:27 Pedro Pascal to be Mr. Fantastic in the MCU Fantastic 4 & Loki Follow-Up
01:34:24 Signing Off, Topic for Next Week (Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes)
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Speaker 2:It's the Infinite Podcast. We're driving towards the queue. Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Project Infinite Podcast, the podcast covering the Infinite, ever expanding multi-verse of fandom for movies, comics, tv shows, video games. We've got you covered. I'm Rob. I'm here, as always. Finally, once again, we're back. I'm here with Kourt Kourt. How's it going, man? It's good to be back. What was that? I'm back. I'm thinking I'm back. Alright, here we go, we got it. We're going to call it technical difficulties out of the way now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, shake the ring, rust off. Yeah, we're back, we're back. It's been a while for a multitude of reasons, but primarily because of the writers and actors' strike that was going on over the last few months. Our schedules just didn't work to do a little in-between episode, so we just went on a little hiatus and now we are back. As the strikes have ended, shout out to everyone on the picket lines for the writers and actors that struck these deals with these corporations and studios and got what they wanted or deserved and wanted.
Speaker 2:And the strikes are now over and we have a couple new agreements. The writers got their deal first, and a couple things that came with that was AI not being able to be used to write scripts, which the episode that we did when the strike first started, where we were detailing what that was all about, the AI thing, was the big thing, and the writers got what they needed on that, in the sense that AI will not be able to be used to write scripts. You know, ai generated content can be considered literary, assigned or source material. It can be used as a tool, provided that the production company consents, but other than that, ai will not basically have credit for that, which is great. Obviously, ai is on the rise. Over pretty much this past year, we've seen a rise in AI generated art. Ai generated writing, the narrative itself.
Speaker 1:Beats of AI have been just running rampant over the last couple of months. We just had a movie that told we just had two major releases over the last three months where the whole point was about AI. Maybe AI is the villain.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's great that they were able to come to terms on that. Another big talking point is both on the actors and writers side, with string residuals. A number of writers and actors have come out while the strike was going on and being like little money I make from these residuals and these are-.
Speaker 1:We're talking. Some A-list actors, absolute titans of industry, were making close to nothing for these shows. They were putting years of their lives into.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So now they're going to get a roughly a 76% increase from streaming residuals, which is a lot, especially for the lower kind of lower tier group. Another big thing for the writers was obviously increasing minimum rates, which is super important. Minimums will be increasing upwards of 5% this year and then it kind of cascades from there, which is great.
Speaker 2:Again, a lot of this, as we talked about, was for the bottom line of that's what these people were really striking for was for the Make sure that the floor is taken care of, not so much the ceiling, so getting minimum staffing in writing rooms. And then we're going to talk about this a little bit later with Marvel, where, throughout the course of the strike, we learned a lot about the process that a company like Marvel goes through, especially when writing TV shows, is they weren't really requiring writers or show runners to kind of concept things. They were just kind of leaving it to the studio heads and that kind of screwed things up specifically for Marvel. So you know it's not a surprise that, in the wake of these agreements, that Marvel has since restructured their TV system where they're going to actually have show runners and writers conceptualizing these things, and you know what's funny about that one is we live in this age too of that's a huge cell of your shows as your show runner.
Speaker 1:I mean just to call one out. Let's just talk about Craig Mason in the Last of Us. Like, the fact that he was the show runner gave that show a little bit of an extra boost. It already had that, you know. It had that energy going in what you need. But adding Craig Mason on top of that, having a show runner that's dedicated to the art of the thing you know, not the money making machine of the thing I think that was super important. So I think you know the microcosm and you know a big portion of this episode is we're going to talk about the future of, you know, one of the biggest, if not the biggest, movie franchises of all time and kind of how their hand was dipped into this whole thing as well too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then I mean a lot of the other things on here, just relay in terms of getting like a show runner training program $250,000 in annual funding for a show runner training program, which is really great. You know. There's just a lot of other things about mostly the streaming services, mostly the AI stuff. So shout out to the writers. Obviously they got the deal first, and then the actor side of things. The big things that they got was a kind of again back with the streaming thing.
Speaker 2:So the new contract calls for actors that earn a success payment along with other usual residual payments if they work on streaming projects that attract a significant number of viewers, which is really great, especially for like you talk about, like syndication shows. You talk about shows that are popular that go on Netflix, which is super important, also one that I feel like a lot of people maybe didn't pay attention to. But as important is the disclosure of viewers statistics, which you know a lot of streaming producers are very coy with A lot of the time. I know Netflix was a big kind of proponent of this, where they kind of hide like what their actual numbers are behind like a degree of other like shell metrics essentially Like they'll use like this is.
Speaker 1:I mean any time you go on network television, they'll tell you this is the number one new stream. Yeah, because you were the only show that dropped today. Of course you're going to be the number one show.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So now streaming producers will be required to disclose the total number of hours the content was streamed, both in the US and Canada and abroad, for each quarter, intended to help actors determine if they're being fairly compensated relative to a show's distribution and popularity, which I think is great. And then again, the artificial intelligence piece must obtain consent from actors to create and use their digital replicas, as well as specify how they intend to use that digital likeness. Actors are entitled to compensation at their usual rate for the number of days they would otherwise have been paid for to do the work being performed by the digital replica, which is super important Because, like we said, there's been deployment of this tactic in the past as far as using digital replicas of actors, and now those actors will be getting paid for as if they were on set for that work, which is great. And then just basic other things like relocation bonuses, minimum number of background actors being worked on, which is important for background actors, so that shows we'll have to use more background actors, so more people get work, which I think is super good.
Speaker 2:So, all in all, just a great deal all around. Sometimes you don't get what you want without a little disruption, so much needed. Much congratulations to all the actors and writers on getting what they deserve. And you know we wasted no time getting back into the swing of things with a lot of other things and news and notes, and that's kind of what we're going to talk about this week is just some things that we have we have opinions on more or less. So right after or right before the struggle is coming, we were obviously getting ready for the the D day of movies. Yep, yep.
Speaker 1:I couldn't wait. And, barbenheimer, you weren't talking about bird box Barcelona.
Speaker 2:Oh, so barbenheimer officially came and went and it lived up to the hype.
Speaker 1:Oh, I mean, it lived up to the hype and then some we got to absolutely monumental. It was probably one of the biggest days in like movie history and that's not even hyperbole, I think, that's just a strict fact. I mean we saw up and Heimer on the opening night, I believe, and man, oh man, man oh man, was that movie everything and then some that you would ever want it to be? That movie was incredible. It was, you know, it was potent. I think, to use a, to use an adjective, it's visceral, it's very, it's thought provoking. But I mean the. I guess the biggest call out for that movie is.
Speaker 1:I like to make this point, and I've told a bunch of people this that in my opinion you can toss up what Christopher Nolan's best movie is between interstellar in the dark night. In my opinion, you know this one can be in contention, but this is the best movie he's ever directed Like. This is the best he's ever directed anything in his entire life down to perform. This is probably the best he's ever done with performances to. Because you know, chris, for Nolan lives in this realm of you know spectacle and you know grandiose blockbuster, but like that cinema blockbuster, but in terms of performances. He was pulling out of actors.
Speaker 1:It was just. It was surreal. It was absolutely incredible. There is no contention for Killian Murphy for best actor, in my opinion, for this year. I don't think anybody is going to even give him a run at this point. This is the best movie of the year at this point. This is without me seeing Killers of the Flower Moon. That's probably one of the only big releases that I haven't seen from this movie or from this year so far. But at this point, without seeing that Oppenheimer lived up to everything that you would want it to be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, it's a biopic that made a billion dollars. It's just absurd. That just shouldn't happen. That's not a thing that happens. It's three hours of just mostly people having conversations and the fact that it's as captivating as it was. Well, I told you the.
Speaker 1:You know the whole thing of this movie on face front. You know, to the people that aren't like us and not the nerds, or this movie is about the nuclear bomb. Obviously it's about Oppenheimer, but it's about the nuclear bomb. That's the McGuffin, that's the thing. Right, they detonate the nuclear bomb halfway through this movie. So you still have a whole, another half a movie.
Speaker 1:The most magnetic part of the movie was the third act of this movie and they were all courtroom hearings. It was just absolutely electric the entire time. That cast, you know, obviously one of the bits that we ran for a long time was that cast and so funny that that came full to fruition because the cast lived up to every piece of hype you can ask for. Everybody bought it. I mean, you know, if we were to give our heat check performance for this and obviously we're going to talk about Oppenheimer as its own movie but if we were to give a heat check, I mean there's legit and this isn't, you know, over exaggerating there's like eight to 10 people in that movie you can give a heat check to. They were all incredible.
Speaker 1:But again, hats off to Christopher Nolan and team that that movie is just. It's what gets me motivated as a, as a as a movie maker, like that's everything I would want to be able to do on a set Practical sets, great actors, great composer, great crew, incredible cast Just that's like the microcosm of everything that makes cinema incredible. It was Oppenheimer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then, and then.
Speaker 1:Barbie came out. That was the perfect time to do the 2001 theme, when you said that too, because there's this little movie didn't make a lot of money, called Barbie, came out on the same day.
Speaker 2:It actually made the heaps of money.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it actually made more money. Not only did it make more money, it made the most, it made the most money of this year so far. I don't remember if it did beat out Mario. I don't know if it beat out Mario, but it wasn't the top three of this year for for just straight money.
Speaker 1:Man, I love Greta Gerwig so much. I love her vision and I love the. You know, I love her understanding of how it did be Mario. I love her understanding for how preff, how precious movies are and how precious you know this medium is, but also understanding this is a Barbie movie and let's have fun, like it's okay to have a little bit of fun or a lot of bit of fun and that's. You know, this movie was incredibly, you know it was very human to, for lack of a better term. I mean that was one of the big, you know, focal points of that movie was how human that it was. You know it's very, it's extremely self aware of itself. Under a different filmmaker, this movie is an absolute nightmare. Under different cast is an absolute nightmare. But you need somebody to understand this movies, the way that Greta Gerwig does, to get this made.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was a more emotional bits than the Oppenheimer. This movie was revelation. It was genuinely funny, Just like bit after bit. That like is a testament to it. You know we started with the straight the strike. The writing of this movie was just no computer.
Speaker 1:There's no bomb back in credit card.
Speaker 2:There's no computer that jokes had so many layers to them and I mean, what can you say about Ryan Gosling and Marco Robbie that like, oh man, they just crushed it, crushed it. That really is Barbie again. Yeah, I mean the way they played the characters was just, I don't have words for it. I mean it was that movie was tight, tight man, it was tight, and it was like you struggled Salamanka Tight, tight, you struggled to find really any kind of glaring issue with it. It's like everything there is so intentional From. You know, every shot is intentional, every scene is intentional, every line of dialogue is intentional. You know there's no wasted space. You know we're going to talk about a movie trailer in a little bit. The way like the dialogue is just like here, read this, yeah. And whereas this, like there's so much going on and it's so smart, it invokes kind of those you know, early, early the late 80s kind of comedies that were just so ahead of their time and so smart, yep, you know, and so you know just effortlessly, effortlessly inclusive and effortlessly just.
Speaker 1:They're endearing, they're like, they're just so they're made. And you know one of the arguments you get like who is this movie made for? Like it's made for everybody, like this movie is truthfully for everybody. Yeah, it's about purpose. It's truthfully about purpose, your purpose.
Speaker 2:And to your point like there's a million ways it could have gone wrong and it could have just been another cash-grabby IP-type film. But that's not what it was Like. The IP was almost secondary to the overall point of the movie. But yeah, man, it was. The whole Barbenheimer stick lived up to that. Lived up to it to a degree that's such worth never gonna have something like that ever again.
Speaker 1:I think the icing To end this through, the icing on the cake, for that is the day itself, could have just been the fact that it's a Barbie movie. But like to get to quality movies as and not only quality, I mean some of the. I mean, in my opinion, oppenheimer is, at this point, the definer of the 2020s is probably Oppenheimer. It's probably everything everywhere all at once in Oppenheimer are like the definitive definers of the 2020 so far. And then Barbie, in terms of these franchise movies that you're getting, barbie probably is one of the best versions of any of these that you could have gotten.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I agree, and I mean the numbers back that up. I mean, when you go to the top 10 best-grossing movies of the year, barbie is one, the Barger movie is two, oppenheimer is three. I mean, oppenheimer sticks out so much in this top 10 list.
Speaker 1:It's R-rated. It's his first, it's his second R-rated movie. He did Momento and then he went straight into PG-13. It's Again, you know, funny enough. There's, and you know, obviously it's Christopher Nolan. But there's a lot of ways where this movie could have went Not south, because obviously you're still gonna get quality, but there's a lot of ways that this movie couldn't have been this. But the product that I hate to spell it, but the finished product that we got for Oppenheimer, it just it needs to be studied how incredible everything to a T then movie was.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's nothing else like Oppenheimer in this top 10. I mean, the rest of the top 10 is Guardians 3, fast X, across the Spider-Verse, little Mermaid, mission Impossible, elemental and then Ant-Man and the Wasp Class of Quantumania the top 10. There's no other movie like Oppenheimer on this list. It's crazy, it's absolutely insane.
Speaker 1:It makes you believe that this whole I hate to be pretentious, but this whole cinema thing cinema is such a loose term and cinematic are two loose terms that fly off the tongue in the last couple years but it gives I should give everybody hope that Movies like that's how it used to be, like that those were the movies that people were going to see. It gives me hope that we can get this high level quality from these classic filmmakers and they can still dominate at the box office and everybody's talking about them for weeks, months to come, years to come.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man. So, madam Webb, yeah, I mean anything else from the last couple of months that you want to hit.
Speaker 1:No, I mean you know we we got a Soka. Yeah, we got a Soka over the last couple of months. That show. We're obviously going to review that show at some point, but it was. I think that show is a perfect example of what Star Wars could be to an extent, because I do have some issues with that show. I have some production issues with that show that I'll talk about once we review it. I still think Rosario Dawson you know, at first I was, I was on one of those people that were on the fence about Rosario Dawson, and then the show came out and I was like I get it, I understand, Yep, and she's old.
Speaker 2:She's old, she's she's older and she got, I think, as the show went along I don't know whether it's a behind-the-scenes thing or a testament to the writing, but it does feel like she got more comfortable as the show went along and it feels like she got more quote-unquote, a Soka-like, as the show went along. And I mean, what else are you going to say other than? I mean, hayden Kushner came back, man, and they gave us the full, they gave us everything. They gave us what you know, this is the Clone Wars. Yeah, they gave us the full Anakin Skywalker experience, which was super cool. I mean, I just really know what they're.
Speaker 2:You know sometimes, you know they do the, they do the fan-servicing stuff, and this was an example of when you do it, and you do it good, like there's nothing, there's no other Nothing, no other feeling like it when they pull off what they pulled off with him in the In that basically Clone Wars kind of redux episode. So we talked about it when we talked about it with Obi-Wan, just him coming back was just, it just felt right. He did so well in that episode, like I'm so happy that we got those moments and yeah, man, I thought it was really solid across the board. Thrawn returned yeah.
Speaker 1:Somehow Thrawn returned. Somehow Thrawn returned. And yeah, I mean we'll definitely wait for the review to go, you know, super in-depth, but I think that is that still probably is outside of the Mandalorian season one. That probably is the best we've ever gotten from the Star Wars Disney era at that point, or my bad Andor doesn't count, andor is just, it's too good, it's in its own space.
Speaker 1:And inside of that Skywalker. Well, I'll say, yeah, Just a couple of quick beats to hit Talk to me, I mean anytime these Indies come out, and obviously horror Indies over the last couple of years have been running ramped. That's like your black phone from last year but more popular. And that gives me hope, because two YouTubers made that movie and it was one of the most talked about movies for a couple months there, which is awesome. Teenage Mutant, Ninja Turtles, Mutant Mayhem that's just definitely something we're going to talk about Lot of fun.
Speaker 1:I think that movie is pretty dang good and I think it's pretty fun. It's stylistic, it's resonant and understands the demographic it's trying to hit and counter to that same point. It also was very the demographic it's trying to hit is everybody. Like it's for your OG Turtles fans, it's for your kids, like the kids that are going to see this movie and I remember we saw it and had a very good turnout of different types of people in that movie theater. Remember we said to each other when we were walking out, there was this dad that had the Ninja Turtles shirt on and he was with his kids. Like that's amazing, that's awesome. That's the whole point of this whole thing. I thought that was super fun. I mean, we got Gran Turismo. You're going to strap that thing to this $2 million rocket. Keep doing the acting, david Harbour, you're doing great.
Speaker 2:Look man, video game movies are the thing now. It's the thing just are.
Speaker 1:Man, what else did we get? We got just some other big ones. I mean, the Creator was the last movie that we saw together. Shout out, garith Edwards, I think you're doing the Lord's work. Low budget Disaster.
Speaker 1:King Low budget Disaster King. I mean, I love sci-fi. It's my favorite genre because I always say you get the best human emotion out of sci-fi. It pulls it. It's kind of the microscope of what the human condition is. It's always going to come out of sci-fi and I think he delivers on this.
Speaker 1:I think this is probably the best I've seen John David Washington in his career. His relationship with the little girl in this movie is incredible and it's very present feeling. This movie it's very loud, it speaks very loud, but I just I love the way that Garith Edwards shoots. Obviously, greg Fraser, they did a two cinema title for setup and the big thing for this movie is that they used these Sony FX3s, these affordable cinema cameras that you can go by at Best Buy, probably right now, to shoot this high budget, $80 million movie and you know it gives a lot of motivation to people like me. So I think the creator is a very big standout in the sci-fi genre and just the overall it was did two things it was the sci-fi genre that we needed, like a new sci-fi universe that wasn't attached to anything, and it's also the idea that we don't need everything and anything from a studio or, you know, money wise just to make a good movie. You don't need any of those things. Yeah, and Taylor Swift's heirs tour Taylor.
Speaker 2:Swift, taylor, taylor Swift. Taylor Swift plays in July.
Speaker 1:Oh no, we did the thing we said we weren't going to do. Oh no, we talked about Travis Kelsey, taylor Swift.
Speaker 2:Hey man, it's culture. Are we Swifties? It's cinema. It is actually cinema. Yeah, it is All right. Next, what else we got? What else we got? What else happened? Spider-man, yeah.
Speaker 1:Spider-Man. I watched the Killer the other day. David Fincher Is it good? It's great, it's great, it's classic Fincher. I mean I said this too because I know, obviously, scorsese, tarantino. They kind of a lot of their movies, or both of their movies, have been all, or the last couple of movies they've made have been all in a different time period for the both of them. So I think what was no, every movie that Scorsese has made in the last couple of years have been in a different time period. So the fact that Fincher one of these, like you know, quote unquote Rushmore filmmakers you know the Rushmore is probably 20 long, but you know what I mean To make a modern day movie, like a movie that's set in the modern day, I think is really was really well done. It's just good to see. That movie is gorgeous. So go check that out. It's on Netflix. It's good stuff. What else do we got coming out this year? I think that's a better question coming up this year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we got the Hunger Games, the ballads of songbirds and snakes.
Speaker 2:Yes, I'm also looking forward to that.
Speaker 1:Oh, was I a Hunger Games kid growing up? Heck, yeah, I was. Oh, napoleon, maybe the maybe this might be one of the most controversial movies of this year. We're back, we're back. Oh man, you know what else we got left this year? The big we have, we have to. We have two big fandom ones, and one's not what you're expecting. One of them, aquaman, was the one you were expecting. The other ones want that we still have left.
Speaker 2:Oh man.
Speaker 1:Making chocolate. Of course we love you.
Speaker 2:Timmy, let's see what else, what else we got, what else have we missed out on?
Speaker 1:I mean, we talked oh, I mean Gen V we didn't even talk about yet. Just really quickly on Gen V was not expecting that for even the slightest bit. That show is so good. That show is, truthfully, the boys 3.5. Like that is just the extension piece of the boys and you know, on paper that can go bad very quickly because they couldn't, because the complainers. As soon as that happened, people are going to be like oh, now it's going to turn to nope, nope, it was incredible. It felt very much as much as the boys did the entire run and you're going to see why once you, once you watch Gen V and then once you watch the boys, season four, which is going to come out hopefully next year, had some really solid character.
Speaker 1:Yeah, arguably, if I'm going to take a hot take, I think it would be better than some of the boys.
Speaker 2:Yes, I found myself really engaged with every single person in that cast. They're all relatable to some extent. It's truly the boys version of, like a young adult kind of story.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is probably more realistic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was really cool man, it was really good. I was really surprised with how much I liked it Because you know it's a wholly kind of original thing to do for that universe. Obviously, you know the comics are, but these are all the wholly original kind of characters that they and it goes to the larger point I think we talked about this when we talked about the last season of the boys that it's one of the rare instances where the adaptation so far supersedes the source material in terms of quality and depth and writing and characters. That you know, obviously it's based on the comic but it just eclipses the comic in so many ways and Gen V's kind of proof of that.
Speaker 1:I think the boys comics are the definition of being indulgent. So they had the idea it was cool at first and then they became very indulgent of itself and it was just doing the dirty nasty, raunchy things to do the dirty nasty, raunchy things. And then, you know, we get the boys and then we get into the later seasons of the boys and you're like, oh, there's actually something here, like there's actually something being made here, and I think Gen V doubles down on that very fact because they're not tethered to anything. You know, you have characters and ideas that you're still pulling from, but this show is important. This is you do need to watch this before you watch the boys season four.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, definitely. And then I mean, you know, just in the gaming sphere we had a couple just pretty monumental releases, first of I mean Spider-Man 2.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which we will be doing. We'll do it. Yeah, because that one was number. I mean, it was number one on my list. Was it number one on your list too, or was it Final Fantasy 16?
Speaker 2:For the year. It was probably Final Fantasy 16, and then this and then Spider-Man 2. For sure we're who we are.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, this obviously was, but this was amazing.
Speaker 2:Spider-Man 2 was incredible.
Speaker 1:I see what you did there. No, this game was everything you wanted it to be. And then some I mean maybe you know to get any negatives out of the way maybe some story beats. I think the story balances a little off. It's lopsided, and once you play the game, that second half is yeah, it's like riding a bullet train.
Speaker 2:I've been saying this to everybody who are either playing it or started playing it and they're like, hey, man, the first bit of this is a little slow and I agree with that. The first bit of it is very retready, very familiar, you know. Obviously, the traversal is much improved. It's really cool being able to switch between the two characters. But then, but then, and then there's a specific story moment that happens about, like you said, about half way through. Where that story moment happens. And it's not the one you're thinking of. If you're out there, I know you're thinking, you think, you think you know what it is, but it's not this specific story moment that happens. And then that moment happens and the game does not let up. It's like an until the game is ignition, it's crazy, it's nuts.
Speaker 1:And you remember when I was playing and I texted you and I was like, whoa, it's getting crazy. You're like, oh, you're about to get insane, it's not going to let go.
Speaker 2:It's not going to let go and it doesn't. It's crazy what they were able to pull off and you know obviously we will talk about this in a couple of weeks, with the Game Awards coming, that just a generational year with gaming and you know just big releases that we didn't talk about while we were gone. So we had Spider-Man 2. We had Cyberpunk 27th and Phantom Liberty which resurrected Cyberpunk from the dead.
Speaker 2:Shout out to you, dr Selba, just an incredible turnaround for that team at CD Projekt Red. That Cyberpunk I mean. If you were around for the Cyberpunk apocalypse when that game first dropped, it got taken off of PlayStation Store. People were issued refunds. That game got really dark really quickly. Then they released Phantom Liberty. They released a 2.0 update along with that to Cyberpunk 2077. That basically reinvented the game from the ground up. I haven't gotten around to playing it yet. I started it but then a bunch of other things and yeah, it feels way different. So I'm excited to jump back.
Speaker 2:Baldur's Gate 3 came out to just universal acclaim and it's likely going to be Game of the Year this year. Alan Wake 2 came out just a couple of weeks ago. Mortal Kombat 1 came out a couple of weeks ago. So even with the span of the last couple of months, this 2023 year in gaming is just. Liza P came out, which is the Pinocchio Souls-like. That sounds silly, but Prawn Sense of Purposes is really great. And yeah, man, just an incredible, incredible year, Incredible year, just for media, I guess.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like an absolutely top-heavy year of just these really incredible things. But one thing that I'll definitely call out is, if this makes sense, the quality of the art and products that we've been getting have been much more rounded out than other years. Obviously, you have your Fast Hexes this year, stuff like that, you have the Mag, like whatever. But what I look for this is I look at T-Days Mutant Ninja Turtles, mutant Mayhem, something like that right there, something that very much could have just been this thing that a studio just needs to get out because it's the IP. But then you get some creators that are like oh no, we actually are going to care about this thing, we're going to give it style, we're going to give it emotion, we're going to give it all these things. I feel like there's so many projects this year that have had that same energy and kept across the spider versus a perfect example.
Speaker 2:I mean.
Speaker 1:Oppenheimer was already going to be Oppenheimer, but Barbie on the other side. The coin could have went very wrong. As we keep saying, there's just so many. The creators are a great example of like. It could have just been the sci-fi movie, but no, it's this very human story. We have so many things and it just makes me feel good about what movie making could be. But I guess the perfect transition point into our next segue is what is the top dog in Hollywood? Any way you want to slice it, the Marvel Cinematic Universe. So there was an article that was released about a two weeks ago.
Speaker 2:As we've said on this podcast, something that I deem the greatest cinematic achievement in the history of movies is this Marvel Cinematic Universe, because it's unprecedented and it's a testament to the quality of this Marvel machine that 30-some odd projects in were finally at this point. So this variety article came out and ignited the Internet. Essentially, you know whoever this inside sources at Marvel basically detailing you know everything going on inside that Marvel machine and a degree of maybe not panic, whatever the stage before panic is is kind of where we're at.
Speaker 1:What really happened was we were at this place right where we don't know what's going on. I mean, like humans ourselves are like, if we don't know what's going on, there's a level of fear that comes either fear, anxiety or anger that come with that Like we want to know what's going on. So, again, like I said in the we talked about the Marvels when we did that review. I was somebody that grew up with this thing. I physically grew up with this Marvel Cinematic Universe. It's literally encoded into me, like I couldn't help it. That was the thing that I used to. Literally twice the three times a year You're going to the movie. The movie theater's packed. It's this event every single time. It's this interconnected story, right.
Speaker 1:So now when everybody's brains are developed and everybody understands more about movies, movie making process, all these things, and you get to this point where we don't know what's going on. We don't know the direction of what's going on. There's a lot of you know behind the scenes stuff and now, where we are in 2023, we're in the leek culture. Now we didn't have that in the, in the, in the infinity saga. We have that. That's people's jobs, is the leek culture. That's it.
Speaker 1:Leaking information, making sure you need to be the first one to talk about castings. You know what that takes away from the actual projects that you're making. Like there's no mystique behind what's going on for any of these projects anymore. And I feel like I said this for Dr Strang because I said the biggest thing that I couldn't get out of my head. I felt like I saw the movie before I saw the movie and I keep feeling that every single time I see an MC or see any you know fandom movie, I feel like I see the movie before I see it. And maybe it's my fault because I can't help myself, but I just keep feeling this way of like I can't get out of this mode of like everything's getting spoiled, because that's the thing that keeps these YouTube channels alive, that's the thing that keeps these you know these leakers afloat and that's all. Their content is right there, and then people formulate their opinions before the project even comes out.
Speaker 2:That's the word. Dr Strang just kind of felt victim to this right and you know a lot of people's criticisms of it is it was not the movie that they were expecting and I'm like, what were you expecting exactly? Were you expecting, like just cameo fest 2000, 2022? Like, is that, what was? That's the expectation? Because you know, and we've said this when we talked about Dr Strang was what's the weakest part of that movie?
Speaker 1:It's that section. Yeah, it doesn't fit, it's not, it's not in the right spot. So this variety article just comes out of nowhere and it felt like it like Twitter just exploded, like I don't know what happened, like I just I remember I woke up and like this article was there and everybody was freaking out all day. So one one A Jonathan majors. That was one A. The whole, the whole report was that a, they weren't going to be able to move on after Jonathan majors, after after Blocke season two. And B. There was he's. They have to get rid of him, like there's or it, but you can't like you, you can't. Should we do Kang Dynasty? And you know now we found out yesterday that it's very much looking like Kang Dynasty is not going to be made anymore. So yeah, because you know one of the things yesterday is Daniel.
Speaker 2:Justin Creighton is no longer working on what if it's not Kang Dynasty anymore? He's no longer working on this Avengers film, right, he is now shifting focus to Shang-Chi 2., which makes way more sense, and he's also going to be associated with Wonder man, which you know we both like Shang-Chi. So if him getting off of this project leads to kind of Shang-Chi 2 being expedited, I think that's great, because I think one of the other problems that Marvel's running to is just a vast distance between when we're seeing characters.
Speaker 1:And again, you know, the big thing that was helping the Infinity Saga were these Avengers movies. These were the movies where you know, one thing that we're probably going to talk about is who. Who are the main characters right now? And we have a theory on who it should be there. It's who it should be, and then we have a theory on who we think it should be to save. You know the point that there is no main characters right now and the fact that you did set yourself up to have main characters, but you just will not use them. You won't, and obviously we just had a major strike. So obviously we should have seen, you know, a trailer for Captain America 4. We should have seen all these people by now, but we just we haven't.
Speaker 2:Well, on the Captain America front. That's another issue Is that movie is apparently just being redone.
Speaker 1:Yes, now you know we're not going to dive into this, but we know there is a conflict going on right now in a different part of the world and I I do think that's why that movie is being redone. I do think there were elements of something in that movie and they needed to quickly remove those elements of that movie from there. Yes, now do I think that they're going to replace it with what I'm going to replace it with what a big fear of mine is, and that's cameo city? I do have a sneaking suspicion they might and the Marvels actually helped me expedite that theory that they're going to start to do some of those things. You know, getting into that point of different characters. So Blade Mahershala Lee's Blade movie is was an absolute nightmare. So I want to preface this too. I do think that article was lying about some things to get some more clicks. I do think that some of those things were untrue. It does.
Speaker 2:There are certain elements of it, particularly the Blade piece and the Loki piece. The Loki piece and the need to cost the piece, Like she caught kind of a stray in this to that turned out to be a big nothing.
Speaker 2:So it does it that paired with, I've seen a couple of variety articles since that have really hammered the Marvels. So in retrospect this original variety article does read a little hit PC In certain aspects. So take that with a grain of salt. The media is certainly not the Bible or any version of the Bible. So, yeah, yeah, go on about. About Blade.
Speaker 1:So apparently, this move. According to the article, this movie was a mess. Mahershala Lee was the fourth, like he was the fourth main character in the movie about himself, which is a mistake. Now this movie has a completely new team, it's been redone from the ground up and the biggest thing is Mahershala Lee was ready to leave. He was so frustrated where he was. He was done.
Speaker 1:You know, you made the big deal at the 2019 comic-con after Avengers Endgame, like now this is like. This is one of our focal points is like this. You know, I mean it was going to probably culminate which it's still probably will in this midnight sun's realm of the MCU. But you know, mahershala Lee was a twice over Oscar winner that we just got to play one of the you know, one of the probably coolest MCU character, like that niche, really cool MCU character that a lot of people would have, and that was an R rated thing that you were doing and you just couldn't get it to work. That just screamed a lot of things to me, which, I guess, goes into the bigger point where what is what? What is going on? What is the direction? Which? Which way are we going?
Speaker 2:We're going in a direction of reinventing, certainly because to pair that blade is being redone from the ground up. Not only that, but a much, much lower budget. Yep, I think it's going to be around $107 million versus what was the original one, I think, was probably in the same realm as all these other ones, probably 200 plus.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she doesn't need to be. No, and I mean, you know you think about movies like the creator and I. That's why I said, that's why the movie like that I always say this to Greg Fraser is a cinematographer, but what he's doing just screams correct. He is this. You know, in my opinion, he's going to turn into the new age, roger Deacons, where he's going to be like the philosophic guy to go to, for you know my age of movie makers. But he's worked on the Batman. He's worked on Rogue One.
Speaker 1:Obviously, rogue One's budget was the biggest, but the Batman's budget was first for not only a comic book movie, for a movie about Batman being that low of a budget and what he ate in. So in the same four months span right, we got. What did we get? Because the Batman was in 2021, right, we got there 2022, in March. Yeah, we got the Batman. And then what Marvel movie came out in that time? We got Shang Chi around there. Like, we got some other stuff in 2022. Dr Strange would came out. The Eternals would have came out before you know, and it's funny, the Eternals actually looks really good for an MCU movie. The Batman just looks incredible to the point where, not only do I think it's a travesty that it wasn't nominated for best cinematography. It was the best shot movie of 2022. It was the best looking movie of 2022.
Speaker 1:So he's dealing with all these lower budgets, but look at what we're getting, because that's an artist based thought process. So we're going to talk about the Fantastic Four in a little bit, but I just think the MCU needs to move into this realm where they need to understand we actually need to make, not we need to make. You know, quote unquote we need to start making films like. We need to actually start making movies with intent and with actual filmmakers. That's why I'm such a big fan of the Eternals is for what Chloe. You can tell she maybe have one hand tied behind her back. I don't know what the truth is on any of that but for what I can tell was Chloe Zhao. It looked great and it felt great and it felt like an actual movie, which I appreciate and I want more of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and while the Eternals part of the Marvel kind of re reduxes, that Eternals is apparently going to be getting a sequel.
Speaker 1:Richard Madden will be coming back as Icarus, which I hope he's probably going to be a good version of Icarus this time.
Speaker 2:Um yeah, back to the Jonathan Majors thing, just because I just saw a bit on Twitter just now that apparently Marvel is not going to be moving away from Kang, but maybe moving away from Jonathan Majors. So potentially they are going to try and figure out possibly a recasting situation and what I would imagine is that they're still probably not going to go ahead with Kang Dynasty.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's. I think at this point, you just you completely, not completely pivot. You can still do your idea, and maybe at the end of this we talk about what the idea is, for you know what secret wars should look like, or what they should just look like from now until it's seeming like it's probably going to be 2030 by the end of the of the multiversal saga, but what you should pivot towards. So now, I think, if that is the choice, so be it. Just put your foot in the in the sand and make it the choice. I think that's a big issue too is, I feel like they're being too passive at this point where you can't be, especially the way that movies are evolving at this point and there's so much output.
Speaker 2:Exactly Like this. There's too much output for it to not be going anywhere. Essentially, like they're. They're building to a lot of things, but now I think we're at the point now where we need to start seeing the culmination of a couple of these things. Yep, and it's just not there yet and I think that's, and you know the the returns are what they're going to be Like. The Marvels is going to go down as probably the biggest box office flop that the MCUs ever had. Door, love and Thunder underperformed and then in the last quantum mania did well, but that's because I think in the last quantum mania caught the tail end of like always going to see the Marvel thing.
Speaker 1:And also not only was it the talent of going to see the Marvel thing we just got, we, the whole conceit was like this is phase five, this is the recovery phase. And also we were at the height of Jonathan Majors a sent into being the most famous actor on the planet. So we were. It was like a, it was like a perfect storm of everything going right for that movie to work. And again to one of our big points of these movies need to start feeling like films, like a movie like that just feels like a product of something. It feels like a like I needed to do this thing, the studio needed to do this thing, to check a box and then just be done with it.
Speaker 2:But I will say, to coincide with another thing, another trailer that we got that we didn't talk about. Echo got a trailer under a new, new kind of subdivision of Marvel Studios, which is Marvel spotlight, which is going to be these kind of out of not out of continuity, but no real ties to the greater Marvel continuity, and they're going to be darker, kind of grittier. Echo is going to be our rated or TVMA because it's a TV show, and there's going to be several shows that that are going to fall under this banner. Wonder man is going to fall under this Marvel spotlight banner. That was definitely a retroactive yes Thought for them. The totally stripped down to the bones and rebuild daredevil, born again, is also going to fall under this Marvel spotlight banner. Let's let's talk about.
Speaker 1:Daredevil born again, because I think that's a huge, a huge eye opener. Yeah, so in this article, one of the things that were called out were apparently Marvel was not using show runners this whole time for any of these shows. You know how I didn't think about it and then I did think about it. I thought about it because I thought about Miss Marvel the other day and I was like I remember the two directors and the ones that ended up making Batgirl, which released Batgirl, like I don't know why we're holding a movie that's done hostage, but that's an argument for a different day. But I was like, were they using directors as, like they're not as their show runners, as, but as, like the face of the thing? Yeah, I think that's exactly like oh, we're getting these two directors. They're going to do the first two episodes of Miss Marvel. We're going to get this director they're going to do the first episode of Secret Invasion.
Speaker 2:Do you remember the first episode of Miss Marvel feels?
Speaker 1:night and day. Let's just take episode what is it? Three, I think, yeah, night and day. Those, those do not feel like the same. The only thing that feels the same is Aman Vellani is great. That's the only thing that feels the same. Those are not the same show and you can tell yeah, let's just look at the last of us. The last of us feels like the same show from episode one to nine. Yeah, yeah, every single one of those shows.
Speaker 1:You know who actually might be the biggest offender of that. It might be Moon Knight, might be the biggest offender of that, of a very stylized choice that they made, a very narrative stylized choice and setting choice, all those things. And then, once it hits them, like the very middle we talked about this, the store, the structure is weird. It feels like a. Again, it feels like a product. Once it hits the middle, it feels like a thing that just needs to be done, like it's like doing your homework, like this needs to just get submitted at some point. Yeah, so I think that was the sell of like, hey, this director is going to do the first episode, cool, and then the shows just start meandering in the middle. I'm trying to.
Speaker 1:Every single show is hit that maybe outside of Wanda vision has been the only one. But how long was Wanda vision? Law Division was nine episodes outside of that. I think every single show is hit that same problem. Falcon and the Winter Soldier hit that middle part where you know that middle low, um, low keys, the only, the only other one where I, even outside of Wanda vision, low key I don't think applies to any of this and honestly I also maybe I'm being wrong. I do think low key season one, episode three hits the trade of the Lamentis one. I do think it does hit that just a little bit. It doesn't meander the same way as the other shows.
Speaker 2:But if you always felt, as this outlier, that like yeah, for whatever reason, felt more important to everybody than everything else.
Speaker 1:Right. Um, it's funny. That was the show was the least excited for.
Speaker 2:I said I don't understand something about that show where it just feels like everyone involved just knows it's more important than everything else. So that always felt to me like he got more care and attention in terms of literally everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean you think about production value, score, like everything about that show feels like an actual show and in season two quit quadruples down on that whole fact.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so then we got to daredevil Right, and there were six episodes done and I guess the conceit was that murder doc does not appear in the dead level costume until that six episode. It was more legal drama, I guess is the better word, and they just scrapped it. So that's, it's done and they have now an official show runner, um, dario Scarjapane, who has worked on the punisher, worked on Jack Ryan for Amazon, and he will be joining Justin Benson and Aaron Morehead, who have a pair of a pair of directors who have been gaining a ton of traction in the last couple of the last couple of weeks, obviously coming off the Loki finale in which they directed, and two gentlemen who have expressed interest in potentially directing in the Avengers movie. Um, I don't think. I don't think them saying that.
Speaker 2:And then Daniel Dustin Creighton leaving Kang Dynasty comes with any non coincidence. Oh, the same thing. So I would. I would not be surprised if that ends up happening, but yeah, so now we have an official show runner for Daredevil born again. Um, they're basically starting from scratch. They've Benson and Morehead have said in the last couple of weeks they've been consuming all of the daredevil content that they can get their hands on. I've also been reading some Daredevil Chips of Dark Seas run its money.
Speaker 2:So maybe you know, maybe this whole thing has been kind of the wake up call that Marvel's needed for some time. You know that's what it feels like. You know they did they poop, they moved a ton of the things around release date wise, they obviously have done this Marvel spotlight rebrand. I was really impressed with the echo trailer. I was unexpected.
Speaker 1:I was not expecting that guy get shot in the face in that child. I was not expecting that whole things coming out in one day, yeah, which that's another argument that you know. Maybe that's an idea. Maybe you start doing that more.
Speaker 2:Maybe you did the Netflix thing.
Speaker 1:Netflix thing release everything in one day, let people consume it at their own pace. I think is important because, again to my whole point about that thing where I feel like I see the things before they happen, I can't get that if the whole things released on the same day, I can watch it at my own pace.
Speaker 2:That's coming out all one day. What if it's going to be coming out daily?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's like the week, yeah, which is pretty cool, which is interesting. Yeah, yeah, there's some promise, there's some hope, I mean, but but at the same time, there's also cause for concern.
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 1:And I mean my, my big. I'm going to give you three points. Point number one was my film point Like we need to treat these like with some quality. I mean Guardians 3, guardians 3 and Black Panther 2 were like the ones where in Loki season Loki as a whole, but specifically Loki season 2. I was like I can tell this somebody is handling this with tender love and care, like somebody has this whole thing and this is their baby right now and like this is it needs to be treated like you know. You know these people that are, like you know, spent years in film school doing all these things, like making these projects, you know, blocking themselves in rooms, writing that. Those are the people that feel like they're making these things.
Speaker 1:And then you turn around on the other side of the coin and then you see stuff like Secret Invasion. You see the stuff like King, like Quentin Mania. You're like who's making? Like why is there so much, you know, why is there so much disparage between what the quality is in these projects? Like why is it so different? So yeah, I think it needs the quality boost. And I mean I think the quality boost. In my opinion, take a book out of the Batman. It doesn't need to be that. You know you're using old cinema, you don't need to do any of that insane stuff, but you need to. You need to try to treat these like actual films. I think that's number one. And space it out, space it out, that's actually number two. You need a little bit of time. I think one of the big selling points of the of the Infinity Saga was, like I said twice, the three times a year we were going to that theater.
Speaker 1:It was like Super Bowl Sunday, when we were in there.
Speaker 1:Like, especially, we said that 2014 to 2019 run was absurd. Like everything you're seeing the same people sometime at the movies, like you're seeing friends are like it's just in the theaters packed every single time, like there's no leak culture. And I think again to my point. I think that leak culture really has hurt that whole. Yeah, going to see the movie on the on the opening night, like it's hurt it a little bit because I, like I said, I feel like I see these movies before they come out. But, yeah, we need some space, we need some time. Have to treat the TV shows like actual TV shows. Don't treat them like mini movies. Have show runners, have them be their own thing. Loki's doing that really well right now. It's its own thing. That's all it needs to be. And then the movies need quality. So that's two is we need some space, and number one is we we need the Avengers. I think that's number one. But you know, seriously, number one is where were main character? Who are the main characters?
Speaker 1:Story telling 101, you're probably following a main character on this journey. Who in the heck are we following? Right now? There's not one person. There is one which we'll get to in a second. There's not one person of the heroes that I can think that. Who are we following at this point?
Speaker 1:That infinity saga said you have this guy named Steve Rogers, you have this guy named Tony Stark, you have this guy named Thor Oden son. Those are your main characters. Then you have your BT, or main characters this whole time. Those people are going to meet up every couple of years. Beat a threat. There's this bigger threat out there. They're all going to come together and beat this. Simple, nothing complicated about that. You had a very easy layup, in my opinion. You get this guy that's this absolutely mag outside of legal trouble. You get this guy that's this absolutely magnetic actor to play the villain. Cool. Who's going against this guy? Who's the? Who are the people that we're going against? And you know, you keep it very simple Where's Anthony Mackie been this whole time?
Speaker 1:Man went through, in my opinion, one of my favorite projects from the MCU Favorite, not best favorite projects which is Falcon and the Winter Soldier. You went through that whole thing and we talked about it. Phase four the are my themes, for my themes for phase four were loss and legacy. Those were the two things so a lot of loss that we had to deal with inside outside, everything but legacy. So many mental, that's all. Phase four was was mental passing. Where are these people? We just passed the mantle through this whole time. You know, obviously it's phase five, but you go Hulk to she Hulk, you go Steve to, you go Steve to Sam, like you're doing all these things. You go to Chalester sherry. Where are they? Where's the Avengers? The Avengers are nowhere to be found in this whole thing.
Speaker 2:Well, and I mean that that ultimately speaks to what we're talking about when we talk about this, this kind of content, you know, overload of things where you know, especially with, like, the post credit scenes and everything like, back in the back of the day, back in my day, the post credit scenes always bled.
Speaker 1:I'm so glad you made that point, because I was just going to talk about they always bled into the next project, more or less for the most part.
Speaker 2:So maybe, maybe they'll skip, skip one, but I mean these post credit scenes that we've been getting.
Speaker 1:Let's talk about it for a second, because they just let's just start with. Let's start with. This is how I actually did it the other day. I just thought about this had a list that we're going to pull up the.
Speaker 1:We're on Disney Plus. We're going to pull up each show and we're going to go to the post credit scene of each show. Show movie Wanda vision paid off, so one for one. Falcon and the Winter Soldier did not pay off because we haven't heard anything from the Bower program. Now you're one for two. Loki did not have a post credit scene, does not count. Black Widow's post credit scene paid off. So you're two for three at this point. Shang Chi's post credit scene did not pay off. So you're what? Are you? Three for five at this point? Eternals post credit scene does not pay off. Your four for six? You're, you're my bad You're. You're two for six. Hawkeye's post credit scene is just paid off, just paid off, sort of sort of not the whole thing, sort of paid off. Moon Knight does not have. Or Moon Knight's post credit scene is not paid off. Jake Lockley's not paid off. You're two for seven. Multiverse of madness was has not paid off with oh clear.
Speaker 1:Yeah With, clear is not your two for eight.
Speaker 2:Miss Marvel's post credit scene did not technically pay off yet, not yet. So you're two for nine because it was the was Miss Marvel's post credit scene.
Speaker 1:Wasn't it the oh, the was the X-Men thing, or the oh no it did pay off.
Speaker 2:It was the Marvel's, it was her going through the, the closet door.
Speaker 1:Oh right, right and three Orson popping back up three for eight at this point, thor Love and Thunder your Hercules. Your three for nine, that's years away years away Wakanda forever. Well, I had that one, as like, it doesn't count, that's a well yeah, yeah, but they also set up the Midnight Angels thing too, oh, right, right hasn't paid off, so you're you're three for ten. Quantum Mania, the Council of Kings, that's probably never going to pay off. So you're three for 11. Guardians three, as again that one does not count on separate.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because it's separate, it was a but it's also something that we may never get right. We never get that again right because James Gunn, you know, yeah, my point being all these tunnels.
Speaker 1:Eternals hasn't paid off, hasn't paid off. Love and Thunder Hercules has not paid off. Secret invasions post credit scene what did they have? A post credit scene? I forget, no. Oh well, the whole thing was the. He went back to space. He went back to space and they were going to do the. They were going to do the. What do you call it? The, the British team from the comics. What do you call them? Oh yeah, the British Avengers. The Brit Avengers.
Speaker 2:But all all that stuff is, you know, years away, yeah, years away, whereas you know, going back to Iron man one, obviously it was. You know we're teasing the Avengers, which is fine. Yeah, do that in the first ever movie, fine.
Speaker 1:But then, from there on out, incredible Hulk ties right back in the movie you did right before. Iron man 2's post credit scene was Thor. Was Thor the very next movie? Thor's post credit scene was right into Captain America. Captain America's post credit scene was just a trailer for for the Avengers. That's fine. But then you got the Avengers right.
Speaker 2:Then you get the Avengers right, thanos, thanos, right at the end, which tells you which is a good post credit scene in the for an Avengers movie, because that tells you what the big thing is.
Speaker 1:Because they all needed each other to beat the threat, and the actual threat is much more dangerous than the threat that they needed to team up, because then we don't see Thanos again until the age of old child post credit scene.
Speaker 1:And but where do we see him in an Avengers movie? Because that's an Avengers love in the great words of Quentin Ben. Now that's an Avengers level threat. Iron man 3's post credit scene was fun. That was just doesn't count again. Thor the Dark World and now we're ripping into the Infinity Saga. Thor the Dark World's post credit scene was was the reality stone, stone Winner soldiers post credit scene was, if I'm not mistaken, oh, it was Bucky coming back. It was, it was Bucky. And then leads, right into leads, right into Civil War Guardians, the Galaxy's post credit scene, the first one, the first one. That was nine years ago. I know, insane, insane. It's a lot of these I don't remember. Why can't I remember with the post? Oh, I mean, it was just group dancing, I guess it doesn't count. Age of Ultron's post-credits scene.
Speaker 2:Obviously I'll do it myself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll do it myself. Man's was they go and get they're like I know a guy immediately into the next movie, civil War's post credit. And then also, oh my bad winter soldier was Wanda and Pietro. Yeah, right into the next movie. I don't think I need to go on, but do you understand our point?
Speaker 2:Do you understand what I'm?
Speaker 1:saying one led into the very next thing. Or Jason, maybe to max three?
Speaker 2:leeton movies later, or if it was Avengers movie, it just kind of let you know like Thanos is still around exactly. It's so simple, but it's so these ones are just all over the place. We're just having fun at this point while they're getting to inside baseball, yep, yep, such as what they're doing like Hercules.
Speaker 1:One should have been one, that's you could pay that off pretty decently and they're not going to. They're not going to. And you know You're also getting you know these figures or actors that are pretty big, like you're getting. You're getting Brett Goldstein right off the height of Ted Lasso, and genius to have him play Hercules. I don't. I love my plot for Thor 5, though that they punch for a bit. But then you find out Hercules is in love with Thor. That's them now. That's a plot.
Speaker 2:I mean, what they're doing is there. They're no longer tying the post credit scene, and so like, what's next? They're just tying the post credit scene, like hey, here's this cool thing for this character.
Speaker 1:Yeah, character that from our.
Speaker 2:You're the character from Marvel Comics, like Thor's for once, post credit scene Did not tease Thor the Dark World no.
Speaker 1:One's post credit scene said well, you know now, let's take a look. You know what I mean. Yeah, it's very simple, it's nothing too incredibly difficult, yeah yeah, so they gotta, they gotta fix that yeah straighten that out. But again to our main point Where's the Avengers? I feel like Peter Parker and far from home. Where are the Avengers? Like, who's gonna save us now?
Speaker 2:like and we're not getting. I mean the next, there's one. There's one movie on the slate for next year which I think is great first of all, but it's Deadpool and it might be the most important movie that they do up in two secret wars.
Speaker 1:It's gonna make a billion dollars. Oh, I said the same thing. That movie is gonna make every cent that you can think of like it. It's gonna make a stupid amount of money, but good yeah that, that.
Speaker 2:That's the only movie coming out next year.
Speaker 1:Good, and that movie has an Incredibly an incredible amount of heavy lifting to do on top of that too, and it'll do it, and it'll do it. I think and we talked about this, you know off this, but I I the fact that we could have also done this in like an Avengers movie, right, where the we get the Fox X men, all the rights, everything. The fact that this is a Deadpool movie makes the most sense Because they're not gonna take this seriously, which I think might help a little bit for like, lot like, because people are gonna try to use logic. Doesn't matter, doesn't? It's stupid, doesn't matter, like I know. Fankie Jensen, gene Gray, we're gonna get James Marsden. Cyclops are gonna get. How they're all gonna come back. Spoiler alert for the marbles this is your chance to get out of here before I spoiled. Spoil the heck out of the marbles. Beast returns Kelsey Gramer's beast. We're gonna get all of them back. We're gonna get the prime versions of them back. That's all cool. I just like the fact that it's gonna be in Deadpool and not in like an Avengers, x-men movie or something like that. However, right, I have a plan, yeah, yep, I have a plan. Yeah, go look. This is a shameless plug to the marbles review.
Speaker 1:But Instead of Kang dynasty, how I think you should rework this, as you should do. You should mix elements of the of the first secret wars, the 80 I forget if it's 84. I think it's 86, but Secret Wars, 86, the beyonder. Go get the beyonder. Maybe. Just have the beyonder be the beyonder. Maybe maybe you just go get a popular actor and just, instead of doing the Kang beyonder, which I think was the rumor plan, you just have the beyonder, just be the beyonder, and he just gets the X-Men from our childhood and then he gets the Avengers from our second childhood and he just Avengers vs X-Men, and you just have that happen and that's it. You just have an Avengers vs X-Men movie. You try to figure out all the multiversal crap and then maybe at the end of the movie that's when the incursions start happening All the earth start dying because at this point, if you're Marvel, you can't Take for granted any longer that the general audience is just gonna be with you through this whole thing.
Speaker 1:Because they've turned on you. Extreme, because the the big thing now is the we're back. It's like it's fun. Like where it's either the marvels dead or we're back. Yeah, like Guardians 3 was the we're back and then it went right into secret invasion and marvels done, yeah, so so now, if I'm them and I'm gonna do another Avengers movie, I'm just gonna go for it.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, just gonna go for it.
Speaker 1:I'm just think about how absurd it would be. Oh if, because obviously the one of the big rumors have been is that everybody's gonna come back. Obviously, obviously everybody's coming back. But I just think about if Chris Evans is fighting Chris Evans movie, like how absurd would that be like and I think Deadpool 3 is gonna be the litmus test for this whole thing like how far could you go like, how, like what's the rubber band stretched until it snaps? Pretty far, pretty far, I think. Me thinks it goes pretty far, I think you can do a lot of things. So if you're gonna do it and we're, and you made this big stink about getting all the rights back, go for it, just absolutely go for it.
Speaker 2:You got to take a swing because at this point you can't you can't rely on being like hey, I know, I know you're waiting for this really cool thing to happen, but just give us like five or six years and enjoy all this kind of like meh Content in between, but we promise, in like six years we're gonna blow your balls off.
Speaker 1:They do need to hurry up a little bit, because I'm just afraid for some of the X-Men actors, specifically Ian McKellen and and Patrick Stewart yeah, there are no spring chickens anymore. That's just me being real, like I. They just need to hurry up a little bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so just go for this next Avengers movie, just go for it.
Speaker 1:This is off topic, but you know who I think should just play the MCU Patrick, the MCU professor X and Magneto. I just think you get Michael fastbender and you get James. Mcavoy, like I, would you not like? I feel like that. Yeah, I was watching days of future past two days ago and Michael fastbender is that might be in my top three favorite comic book castings ever.
Speaker 2:He's so good in it's.
Speaker 1:It's absurd how good he is at playing Magneto Like. That is one of the most synonymous ones, in my opinion, that there's been any Dad to succeed, one of the greatest ones. For that too, they feel so seamless to no, they actually don't, which I really like, because he just became a sassy grandpa at the end, which I really appreciate. He's just like, especially an X2 like him and the sticker just gossiping. It's hilarious.
Speaker 2:So next year's Marvel slate looks like this. X-men 97 is apparently coming out.
Speaker 1:I have a thought on that too, and it's more spoilers for the Marvels.
Speaker 2:Echo, deadpool 3, agatha Whatever title it's gonna be.
Speaker 1:You think they're doing that on purpose. I've had this thought they must be right.
Speaker 2:I think it's on purpose, because the title keep changing, and then Spider-Man freshman year is also supposed to come out next year, and that's it.
Speaker 1:That's it, so three live action things next year, but name this three live action things again.
Speaker 2:Echo, deadpool 3 and Agatha, whatever the title is now there's an imposter among us, in all seriousness.
Speaker 1:I mean this is a glaring piece and I Absolutely hate to be this person, because you know as somebody that also wants to do this, like some of these people that are working on these shows let's just take Agatha. Like those people could have been waiting their whole lives to get an opportunity to do anything in the vicinity of that realm. Yeah, is that? The thing we need right now in the MCU is like no, no, not at this point, not where the pit, where the tides are turning around you, where the people are just who's gonna like?
Speaker 2:and again to our point like, when did one one of us? It came out in 2020, 2019, 2020, 2020? So we're talking four years Between Wanda vision and the next Wanda vision adjacent thing if you don't count multi-verse of madness, but like that's the last time we've seen Agatha Harkness was in Wanda vision. Like four years later, is anybody gonna?
Speaker 1:Like has them. I love Catherine on. But as the mystique of Agatha worn off, I think it has, and again that's a testament to the to the infinity saga. Like it never let's the mystique of something we're off because it paid it off immediately and the infinity saga.
Speaker 2:Things were never reactionary, whereas I feel this kind of was more like she was so good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you want to visit. She just was good because Catherine Hahn is incredible.
Speaker 2:She was so good and the song won a Grammy. But again and then they were like exactly they did the Black Panther from Infinity War that. Get that man of shield exactly. Get that woman a TV show when we didn't need it that's about. That's not how that works. She deserves it. Sure, she's amazing, yeah, but yeah. Yes, that that doesn't make a lot of sense do a Thing like a werewolf by night thing with Agatha Harkness. Let's talk about that for a second because I thought about that too.
Speaker 1:Why are we not utilizing that more? I don't know. A 50 minute, just one shot of. So in comics there's these things called one shots. Do that, literally, do that. I always have my, my one-shot idea. Let's just take Isaiah Bradley, for example. I said do release it in Black History Month, bring in Sebastian Stan, the mission that he talked about, where he took off half of his arm and and go Yang, do that very thing and do it in like 45 minutes. All it is is a one-shot of him trying to save those, show those soldiers. Sebastian Stan shows up, they fight for a bit and that's it. Yeah, you do, that's it. That's all you have to do, and then we don't need a six episode TV show about Isaiah Bradley.
Speaker 2:And you know how you frame it. You frame it as Isaiah Bradley Narrating, and then at the end you see that he's telling it to Elijah. And there's your young Avengers. I am, you're welcome, marvel.
Speaker 1:I just probably like why am I super strong? This doesn't make a lot of sense.
Speaker 2:There you go, you're welcome.
Speaker 1:You know, 50 minute, 45 minute, like I said, your one shot and label it Marvel one shots. You can put it in the app, in the Disney plus app Marvel one shots, that's all you're doing. Warwolf by night was such a revelation for those and I'm just. I'm so surprised they haven't beaten that drum, just over and over and over again.
Speaker 2:They've done two of them and they were both good. Yeah, they did where we'll find out and they did the Guardians Holiday special. Both of them are really good. So, man, and then I mean the big. I mean the big thing that literally happened yesterday was ties into all of this, which is the fantastic, for so it happened, well it pretty much happens, because Adam driver and Margo Robbie were like quote-unquote, locked into those roles.
Speaker 1:What was that two months ago? Yeah, never was like. They were like locked in, like we, we for sure knew they were gonna be the Read-in-sue, yeah, and then it just fell right through fell apart, but this is pretty much as close to done, I guess, as these things can get.
Speaker 2:So we have our re Richards it is. It is Zaddy himself, pedro Pascal, this guy, just I don't know, is he just gonna be a billionaire by the time this is all said?
Speaker 1:that I'm.
Speaker 2:Yeah, pedro Pascal is apparently going to be re Richards in the fantastic for, which is slated for release in May of 2025.
Speaker 1:That's gonna come way faster than that we anticipate to oh and then.
Speaker 2:This is this. This just across the wire. Marvel Studios reportedly has met with Mads Mickelson for the role of dr Doom. I love it.
Speaker 1:You know what I would like if it's still Kicilius. But he just, you know, took over a small.
Speaker 2:He didn't actually see the thing that they offered the three bridges role to Jelen Hall.
Speaker 1:I did, so they just don't care, or unless that article was fake. About the whole Jelen Hall thing, I do think Jake, I saw that I was like I actually kind of like Jake Jelen Hall is read because I play him as like the read that's a horrible father that just hates everybody and then just like wants to be with different versions of himself, like Hickman's read. Yeah, so I think driver plays that well too. So they just don't care. I just I told you yesterday. I said that they probably went. Why is Pedro Pascal not in the MCU? He's in everything else and he's the most famous actor in the world. And then they said and then they were in the room, they were like they were like at the dartboard, like throwing darts at different characters, and they're like somebody goes, we can't make him breed riches, right. And they started laughing. And then they were laughing so hard that the phone got picked up and then they called Pedro Pascal. They're like do you want to just be the most important character?
Speaker 1:And then he's like yeah, and then it happened.
Speaker 2:And then the other members of the Fantastic Four were our three actors that have been rumored for quite some time. That, I guess, are Again as close to locks as you can get. So Vanessa Kirby as Sue Storm, I love it. That's amazing, but I'm in, I'm good. Joseph Quinn, obviously of stranger things, fame as Johnny Storm, don't love it as much. I'll give him a shot. And then ebb and moss of Bach Rock as as Ben Grimm.
Speaker 1:That might be my by far my favorite one. It's pretty good. It's the. He's just such a like a, an angry, grumpy person.
Speaker 2:That's perfect, ben Grimm and then I mean a couple other things about this. There were a lot of, apparently, the rumor mill was that a lot of these higher A-list Male actors that were pursued for re-written Turn down the role because this Fantastic Four movie might be a Sue Storm POV lead kind of Fantastic Four movie.
Speaker 1:I don't know. Just I just think the Fantastic Four run better when when Reed is the main character, not the fact, because you're a sexist. That's crazy. That's crazy. We're we just praising Barbie for how Formative it wasn't?
Speaker 2:no, I was praising Barbie for how poor man it was.
Speaker 1:Don't do this. We can't have this no shot.
Speaker 2:I got a good weird point about why this needs to be a male POV.
Speaker 1:No, no, that's why I didn't say the thing about the, about blade, because I said it was. He was the fourth, the high, like the fourth main character. Yeah, the three main other characters were apparently women, which is fine, which I mean it's good. Maybe not in a blade movie. You know where the movie's name is blade? That's just what I was thinking.
Speaker 2:But okay, good, good bad talk about Reed Richards the boy. So why he's so damn important?
Speaker 1:cuz he is Smartest man alive. Yeah, so I didn't watch multi-mercise madness.
Speaker 2:Smartest man alive would have gotten out of there.
Speaker 1:Smartest man alive for like 15 more minutes.
Speaker 2:Smartest man alive so far, so far.
Speaker 1:Anyway, yeah, anyway. I just when Reed is the main care I mean secret, like the Hickman secret Wars plays is, though it's all culmination of of the fantastic for run all the way to its him and doom, or the main characters, that whole thing, like that's the whole point of, like they're the two actual main characters of this thing.
Speaker 2:Which could they be pivoting back towards that?
Speaker 1:I have a feeling that's what the plan, because you don't just get Pedro Pascal To play him and just be like well, you know, we can just make these movies, like Toby McGuire is gonna be the main character of secret Wars.
Speaker 1:I didn't even touch we didn't even touch that. Oh yeah, yeah, that it's gonna be well. Can I tell you what I think the plan for Kang Dianishie should be, if they keep it. And this goes to our point of who the main character Of this whole thing should be. Who should the main character be? Loki, it should be Loki.
Speaker 1:Spoilers for Loki, you know, get out now. I. And the reason I said that is because Loki can't get out now, because he's holding. He's literally holding the multiverse in his hands, which is insane to like I was explaining this to somebody like version of the of you know, some of the care, not even an ink. Like Thor is not even a fraction of the most powerful version of Thor that we could see out of Chris Hemsworth at some point. We finally saw the most powerful version of what Loki turned into, and it's somebody that had the power to reinvigorate life back into all the timelines, which I didn't even know was a thing like insanity. Like Scarlet Witch looks like an ant, like an ant to a boot, you know.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, so he's in the end of Loki, season two. He's physically holding. You know he's Atlas. Now he's holding the multiverse, he has his throne, but at what cost does he have his throne Made the noble sacrifice. Loki's a good now. So here's the plot to Kang Dynasty, right? So Kang war happens. It's all happening, they're all fighting, they're all boxing, they're all mean to each other. It's like a daycare.
Speaker 2:The one version of him that's a boxer shows up. Yeah From Creed 3.
Speaker 1:It's been my entire life in a cell, all right, never mind. Much like Kang, much like Kang, but seriously. So what I think this plot should be is we finally see Kang Prime, nathaniel Richards, kang Prime, and this theory would lend to the version that we saw in in Quasimedia. Was not Kang Prime Like?
Speaker 2:this is the actual six one, because he got beat up by ants.
Speaker 1:Exactly Like. This is the actual six one, six Kang, like Nathaniel Richards from the 31st century, from our universe. So he comes in right and he's like, well, I need one universe for myself to conquer, so you can miss me with everything else. Then he finds out who's holding all the time on season. Like well, why are all the timelines not dead? They should all be dead. He finds out Loki's the one that's holding the timeline.
Speaker 1:So the Avengers get wind of this through Doctor Strange who finds out this thing. So their whole goal, sam leading the charge, is like the human character of them. But Sam, thor, like all your characters, come together like well, we need to protect this person. Who's he who remains? They don't know who he remains is it's Loki. But they go and the reunion of the of the millennia, thor and Loki are back together.
Speaker 1:Thor sees Loki getting like you know, I told you the Sun would never. You know the Sun would never set on us again and that's it. You just have them go to try to save Loki. That would probably be a place a lot like Guardians 3, where the whole plot of the movie is save rocket. Whole plot of King Dynasty is Avengers, keep Loki alive as long as you can. That's, that's all you're doing. And that King just wants to kill Loki because if he lets go, all the multiverse is going to die, if he lets go, and then the incursions are going to start happening. So what it's going to give you is that Loki Thor reunion.
Speaker 1:You do the beyond, you do the thing from Time Runs Out where Thor and Hyperion take on the beyonders by themselves Like the most powerful version of Thor, and Loki are just going crazy on. A whole bunch of different versions of the Kings would be really cool. But then those Avengers fail. They fail to keep Loki alive. They're taken out by, you know, by Kang, or they're at least wiped from existence. And then make sure Jeffrey writes, actually the Watcher, and then he goes and gets the multiversal Avengers. That's what the post credit scene is. Or you get the X-Men, you get Tobey Maguire. That's what I guess the rumor is that he's not your friend.
Speaker 1:And that's how. That's how he did operate. Yeah, I just thought that would be a fun plot, especially with a Lend the Loki season. You got it.
Speaker 2:You got to keep, you got to keep Loki in the fold, right, you have to.
Speaker 1:He's that that ended up being the most important thing from the entire multiverse saga was, this TV show is the most important thing that's happened so far.
Speaker 2:Or, if it's not most important, it's certainly what the what people are most attached to Yep At this point like emotionally Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just think that's a, that's a, that's a fun plot where Kang Prime finally shows up. He's like, well, I'm gonna end this multiversal or one way or the other. There's this and he. All he knows is that there's this being out there, that's just holding the multiverse alive. And then, lo and behold, it's Loki. Pays back to the fact that he was the first Avengers villain and now he's the one that's saving the Avengers that are trying to help save the Avengers. At this point, help Sam get into a realm of over way, way and over his head. He's like how am I supposed to? I feel powerless. Like I'm looking at Thor, I'm looking at Hulk, like I'm looking at all these beings and like I'm supposed to be the leader of all them right now. You got to do better. Kang the Conqueror Maybe one of the Kanks is a senator. Probably probably is. But yeah, that's that's what I was.
Speaker 2:I like that that's a great idea. I think you have to, absolutely. If you weren't planned to. You absolutely have to have planned to have Loki be some type of integral part of the next Avengers movie. You have to. He's the only one in this entire thing so far, and Scott Lang already fought Kang and it's still not him. Loki's the only one that has this adversarial, you know, relationship with Kang in some form or fashion, where man, when he who remains again spoilers for the season two of Loki, oh my gosh. When he's like how long have you been at this? And I love that they do that bit again where, like, they have a conversation, but, like this time, he who remains talks to Loki like up here and it's the juxtaposition of seeing Victor Timely.
Speaker 1:So like this, super smart. And without Victor Timely you wouldn't have the TV handbook. Yeah, and then he who remains is just like. Victor.
Speaker 2:Timely is nothing to me, he's just another version of anklings of what I am and how he who remains like speaks to Loki like, oh, you're on my level now, finally.
Speaker 1:And he's like finally like you finally, like we were going to have this conversation over and over, you finally got you. Congrats. You're finally here. You're on my level, you made it to the big leagues. It's about time.
Speaker 2:So like there it is. That's your conflict.
Speaker 1:for Avengers, it's Loki and whatever version of Kang, because look at the sacrifice Loki had to make to stop this one. It's, and again, what I love him. He's just a guy, that's all.
Speaker 2:That's all, nathaniel Rich, he's just a person, and you still didn't really stop him. No, no, that's all point.
Speaker 1:You just you just delayed the inevitable. And that's the whole thing about the Hickman Seeker Wars is that's all. The incursions are the incursions are its nature. It was bound to happen at some point.
Speaker 2:So I mean, at the end of the day, like there's still stuff there to be excited for, I just think they need to cut the cut the fat off. Cut the fat off a little bit For now For now For now, because you got to get people back on board. And the way you get people back on board is A Not over saturate in the market and B With quality. That's it. Those are the two, that's the recipe.
Speaker 1:Get some main characters. We need some main characters and you have it, and you do they're? There, they're there, you have it. Just keep going. Yeah you gotta. You can't make people fall in love with you overnight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you got to rein it in a little bit. Stop trying to establish 55,000 different people at once and just give us, give us this core group of people who care about.
Speaker 1:All I'm saying is maybe extend out the multiversal saga a little bit. Here's what you do. Just give us. Just give us an Avengers movie. Pick a storyline. You got a bunch to pick from. Pick a storyline, avengers movie, simple, whatever you want to pick, that's it. Just pick one Cree scroll, war, dark rain, whatever you want to do you can't do secret invasion, which I think that's the one they should have done out of the gate but pick an Avengers movie. Make Sam and Captain Marvel the two, your two leads, and just do it. Get Shuri in there. You have she, hulk and Hulk. Have Thor come back, ant-man, wasp, spider-man. You have your Avengers movie. Cool, good. Then you start to have the different, like we said, different versions of Kang for each project Moon Knight, season two, it should be Ramatot, like. Just keep having Kang. Like. Now the variants are starting to expand and expand and they keep showing up in different places. Cool, now, we're committed to it. So now you got to start envolving the X-Men into this somehow, and then it's going to come through Deadpool 3.
Speaker 1:Avengers vs X-Men. You split Secret Wars into two parts. You call the first one Secret Wars and you call the last the last, avengers movie, because I think that would be the last Avengers movie. You called Avengers forever and that's it. And then, yeah, then you move on, then you move on. Daddy Pascal is going to be Reed Richards. You'll have your brand new X-Men. With these new faces of cinema out there, you'll have some fun. Who's playing? Who's playing Wolverine Tan in the sand? I wanted to be. I just think Zac Efron would be an incredible Wolverine.
Speaker 2:Who's to say it's going to. It's Hugh Jackman, until further notice. That is you, jader, because he's also in Deadpool.
Speaker 1:So Remember when we said we were going to talk about other stuff and then we just talked about the MCU the whole time? Yeah, look at us.
Speaker 2:We talked about other stuff at the beginning. Sure, we got plenty of time to talk about other stuff. Yeah, we're back. Because we're back now, we're officially back. We're back at better than ever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Sure, who's your fantastic four that you wanted that. That'll be the. That'll be the last question.
Speaker 2:I was keen on that Matt Smith, vanessa Kirby, paul Mescal and then who was the Vangrenmoire?
Speaker 1:Oh, uh.
Speaker 2:David Diggs. Yes, that was, that was the group I was I was hoping for.
Speaker 1:I have two thought processes. I have the. You keep Krasinski and you just play it safe. So Krasinski, emily Blunt, obviously you get the. You get the kid from Outer Banks, the, the best friend from Outer Banks, and I always read his name. And then you get Joel Egerton, because Joel Egerton is also a grumpy guy. I bet he's a wonderful person, he just plays like a grumpy guy. Or you get the cinema fantastic, for this one was my fun one. It's the driver. Margot Robbie one. You get two A-list of A-list actors Paul Mescal, who's the oldest looking 27 years old I've ever seen. I love Paul Mescal.
Speaker 2:Joseph Quinn, also an old looking 26 year old. It's crazy.
Speaker 1:I saw you as 26.
Speaker 2:I said no shot, you're 26 years old, there's no way you look like you was 22 in Stranger Things. Well, that was my.
Speaker 1:I was like no, no way. And then you get. And then you get Jason Segal to play Ben Grimm, and then my dark horse one was I did like to pen Badgley and the. It seemed for a while that Penn Badgley was going to play Redrichard's like that. To be honest, that was probably the most concrete one out of all of these was Penn Badgley, yeah. And then you get Jody Comer to play Sue the David Diggs. And then you get Dacre Montgomery to play, to play Johnny. That would have been a fun one. All of these versions include Killian Murphy playing Dr Doom, by the way. That's, that's actually a non-negotiable.
Speaker 2:Well, we got a Stranger Things guy to play Johnny Storm in the end. That's all we were after. I think he's fine, I think he's going to do fine. That guy set the world on fire when Stranger Things came out.
Speaker 1:I just think Dacre Montgomery plays and the kid from Outer Banks. I think that's like my number one, A like that kid screams Johnny Storm to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I guess I just because I always have trouble being like when people were like this person got casted this person, and then people were like I don't see it. And I'm like how do you not? How do you know? You don't know until you actually see it. That's why they're, that's why they're actors. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Robert Pattinson got cast as Batman and you got the world ended.
Speaker 2:Yeah, people were like absolutely not. And then like he doesn't look like Bruce Wayne.
Speaker 1:And then and then, after the movie came out, just like that's me.
Speaker 2:They're like oh shoot, he's actually Batman.
Speaker 1:Or he's actually me. That's actually exactly how I act on a daily basis.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's going to be fine. Like when Pedro Pascal was cast as Joel, people were like he don't look like Joel and they were like oh shoot, wait a minute, is he just a good actor? Yeah, wait a minute, can he just act? That doesn't make sense. So I think I think it's going to be fine.
Speaker 1:Do I leave the one that's going to ignite the internet, or do we get out of here?
Speaker 2:I mean, I mean you do need to earn some points back after that that sexist rant you went on.
Speaker 1:I don't know this is insane. You ready for my? John David Washington, issa Rae, jabari Banks and Javante Rhodes one.
Speaker 2:Ah yes, the all brown eyed Fantastic.
Speaker 1:Four, Come on man.
Speaker 2:We gotta go man.
Speaker 1:You didn't complain when they made Jim Gordon black, but it's fantastic for black. The whole world just ends.
Speaker 2:That's right. He did slide by that controversy. Nobody was like because there's no controversy to be had.
Speaker 1:Nobody was like Batman. Is it because Jeffrey Wright's just cool?
Speaker 2:Nobody was like Batman's gone woke.
Speaker 1:No, it was just like Jim Gordon's got a cool voice now.
Speaker 2:They're like yeah, Jim almost said Jim Gordon, Jeffrey Wright, also in the Hunger Games, which is what we're going to talk about next week, Segway I can't wait.
Speaker 1:I can't wait to rewatch those movies because there is such a staple of, like my, of my. The second one, so really good. The second one, that's actual cinema. The second one, the second one does. The first one is just a brown about found footage movie and the second one's just some cinemas.
Speaker 2:What is going on with that first one? That first one is shot like it's in a film. This is crazy, which I like. I like it.
Speaker 1:It's crazy. One day we're gonna maybe we're gonna talk about it when we talk about the Hunger Games Just how much Jennifer Lawrence absolutely owned the 2010s Like it was, and she's back. She is back, she's doing, she's doing rom-coms. Now. That's her bag, though. Yeah, so yeah, Silver Line X Playbook is one of my favorite movies and I mean she was back for Causeway, which I really liked with Brian Tyree Henry. Obviously, she did no hard feelings. She is back, she's back.
Speaker 2:She's got.
Speaker 1:She's got some. She's got some Oscars to win in her lifetime. She's got some more to win.
Speaker 2:So she's gonna show up at the end of this Hunger Games movie with Rachel Zeckler and be like you're part of a big surprise. You can't keep getting away with this. Surprise it's the Hunger Games multiverse.
Speaker 1:You're part of a way bigger district than you ever could have realized.
Speaker 2:That's what they did in the third one. Oh, they did do that?
Speaker 1:Oh, they did that. They did have a roundabout post-credits scene in the second one, when she woke up, she woke up and they were like welcome to District 13. What? There's only 12 districts.
Speaker 2:They told me, district 13 got wiped out.
Speaker 1:Not around here, partner, not around here, they lied.
Speaker 2:They lied. All right, guys, that's it. We're done here. It's good to be back. It's good to be back. I'm glad we're back. So yeah, next week we're going to talk about the ballot of songbirds and snakes. Obviously, the Hunger Games is pretty cool.
Speaker 1:That is being pretty well received, yeah yeah, I've seen some pretty pretty good stuff about it, which I like.
Speaker 2:Apparently the book is good. I gotta read the book. The book is apparently very good.
Speaker 1:Imagine books are for nerds. That's what I'm saying. Had I just read Dune and Dude, messiah the book's for nerds. Nobody reads books, nobody reads.
Speaker 2:I can't read right now. I can't read Read Richards.
Speaker 1:Come on, man, we gotta go man. All right guys, maybe the read Richards are the casting friends we made along the way, or the fancast we made along the way, rip to the Fantastic Four rumors.
Speaker 2:Unless, unless it's not true, less page or Pascal doesn't become read. Richards, let me get to do it over again, oh man, what's the funniest version of this? I told you, the funniest version of this is you just don't see who they are until the movie comes out.
Speaker 1:It's not the 80s anymore.
Speaker 2:They can't. Just that would be crazy. Harrison Ford is Ben Grimm. He would be the best Ben Grimm. He's the grumpiest person in the world.
Speaker 1:Oh man, if this movie would have came out in like the early 80s yeah, harrison Ford actually would have been an incredible Ben Grimm, would you? If it's the 80s, do you not just? Oh man, this is actually really good. Meg Ryan plays. She plays Sue, right? Or would you be too young at that point in the 80s and the early, early 80s. No, no, no, no, she wouldn't be yeah.
Speaker 1:Meg Ryan is a good, is a good. Sue. Who plays Johnny? And oh, what am I talking about? Michael J Fox plays Johnny, absolutely. Who plays Reed in the 80s Is I don't know if it's Michael Douglas. Yeah, you know who plays Reed. I feel like, would you not get Bob Saget to play Reed? Is that too much of a reach? Because he's got the look.
Speaker 2:Oh, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1:Not at that point in his career. Michael Douglas man. Michael Douglas would have been solid man who should have played. Oh man, that's actually a really good one. Who's a good? Who are some actors from the 80s?
Speaker 2:I'll tell you what I'm telling you, what I'm telling you this right now, harrison Ford and Jack Nicholson will be boxing for Ben Grimm. Jack would never do it. No, harrison Ford probably would.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. Harrison Ford probably wouldn't even have given a second thought to that.
Speaker 2:It's collaborate time. Come on, man, either do like the grumpiest person or like the most muscular. You could do Stallone as Ben Grimm.
Speaker 1:At that point that probably would have made it made some sense.
Speaker 2:Alright, we'll workshop this, we'll do, we'll do. Maybe that's what we do for another, for an episode down the line, like a time capsule, superhero casting, and we just go crazy.
Speaker 1:We just find different actors to play different people at that time.
Speaker 2:Who plays Daredevil in the?
Speaker 1:1970s. Richard Greer would have been the perfect Reed Richards. What am I talking about? Actually, that's the best one. Yeah, that's actually incredible, it's pretty good. Jeff Bridges also would have played a pretty good Ben Grimm. Yeah, I love how you just have to be grumpy to play Ben Grimm Like that's the. That's the only thing you need. Tom Cruise plays a pretty good Johnny Storm. If it's the early 80s, oh yeah, I mean that's a layup. Morgan Freeman is Doctor Doom.
Speaker 2:Now listen here Reed, like oh no, he's too kind, I can't even get mad at this guy.
Speaker 1:Oh, kurt Russell also put a what a put his foot in the door for Reed as well. Freaking Kurt Russell, kurt Russell, is he too charismatic to play Reed? He's pretty charismatic, he is. I'm sticking with my Richard gear. I think that's a. That's a really good Reed Richards. We got to go man the fantastic for, directed by John Hughes.
Speaker 2:All right, guys, we got to go. You follow us on Twitter at project. Oh, don't you?
Speaker 1:forget about Reed. We got to go.
Speaker 2:Project IF. Underscore pod is the sweater. You can follow us on Instagram at the project infinite pod. You follow us on Facebook and I didn't think we're gonna have this many like Reed Richards puns, but look at us. Yeah, next week we're gonna talk, talk some hunger games with the bow of songbirds and snakes.
Speaker 1:So from me, careful man from the. You got to be real careful here, fury.
Speaker 2:From the Deadpool of the podcast. That's a reach. It's not a reach. Think about it.
Speaker 1:You know what? What would have been a reach. You're gonna get me Reed Richards.
Speaker 2:Reach Richards.
Speaker 1:Can we just cast them already? Just kidding.
Speaker 2:Ridiculous. Oh man, what if it is Adam Jirai?
Speaker 1:Margarabi.
Speaker 2:Yeah, wow, what a twist. What if it's both casts and it's a multiversal thing?
Speaker 1:What if they do the council? What if they do the Hickman Council of Reeds? And it's just every single person we just said, and they're all in there, including Richard Geer.
Speaker 2:And John Krasinski is spaghetti. He portals in just pieces, shreds of him far to the ground. I'm like what?
Speaker 1:happened to him. We didn't even talk about Adam Webb, oh no.
Speaker 2:Good, we'll save it for next week. We'll lead with it. Adam Webb trailer came out.
Speaker 1:Was it bad? Yeah, do the people care?
Speaker 2:Nope, nope, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Am I going to treat it like more how you treat it morevious? Yep, it's going to be my new favorite.
Speaker 2:We will be there, no matter what.
Speaker 1:Well, maybe not. I don't know what's the time.
Speaker 2:Goodbye. Yeah, we'll see you next week. Goodbye, peace.