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On July 21, 2023, we were witnesses to arguably, the biggest commercial day in cinema history. “Barbenheimer” was upon us as Christopher Nolan’s biopic “Oppenheimer” released alongside Greta Gerwig’s “Barbie.” We didn’t get a chance to celebrate these films at the time amidst the writer’s strike but with Oppenheimer’s Oscars success, we thought now was the time. We talk Oscar winners and then discuss these two monumental films and why the marriage of their two releases can never hope to be duplicated. Before that, we tackle some news and notes this week including delays for The Batman, The Eternals 2 potentially being scrapped among many other things! Timecodes are provided if you want to skip around to your topic of choice! Thank you to everyone who continues to support and don’t forget to subscribe to download new episodes as they become available and don’t be afraid to share a rating!
0:00 Intro
03:07 The Eternals 2 NOT Happening at Marvel
08:40 The Batman Part II Delated to 2026
15:30 Sony News Corner: Venom 3 Title & Confused Michael Keaton
19:24 X-Men 97 Showrunner Fired by Marvel
21:12 Ready Player Two in Development
24:11 Spider-Man: The Great Web Trailer “Leaks”
28:23 Oscars 2024 Recap
42:57 Revisiting “Barbenheimer”
43:55 Revisiting “Barbie”
01:09:35 Revisiting “Oppenheimer”
01:46:15 The Barbenheimer Awards
02:36:09 Signing Off! Rob’s Playing Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth Still. Court Watched Place Beyond the Pines
Topic for Next Week: The Oscars 2024 In Depth And OUR Personal Oscars
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On July 21, 2023, we were witnesses to arguably, the biggest commercial day in cinema history. “Barbenheimer” was upon us as Christopher Nolan’s biopic “Oppenheimer” released alongside Greta Gerwig’s “Barbie.” We didn’t get a chance to celebrate these films at the time amidst the writer’s strike but with Oppenheimer’s Oscars success, we thought now was the time. We talk Oscar winners and then discuss these two monumental films and why the marriage of their two releases can never hope to be duplicated. Before that, we tackle some news and notes this week including delays for The Batman, The Eternals 2 potentially being scrapped among many other things! Timecodes are provided if you want to skip around to your topic of choice! Thank you to everyone who continues to support and don’t forget to subscribe to download new episodes as they become available and don’t be afraid to share a rating!
0:00 Intro
03:07 The Eternals 2 NOT Happening at Marvel
08:40 The Batman Part II Delated to 2026
15:30 Sony News Corner: Venom 3 Title & Confused Michael Keaton
19:24 X-Men 97 Showrunner Fired by Marvel
21:12 Ready Player Two in Development
24:11 Spider-Man: The Great Web Trailer “Leaks”
28:23 Oscars 2024 Recap
42:57 Revisiting “Barbenheimer”
43:55 Revisiting “Barbie”
01:09:35 Revisiting “Oppenheimer”
01:46:15 The Barbenheimer Awards
02:36:09 Signing Off! Rob’s Playing Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth Still. Court Watched Place Beyond the Pines
Topic for Next Week: The Oscars 2024 In Depth And OUR Personal Oscars
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In the wake of the tragic death of Power Ranger actor Jason David Frank, from this episode on, the number for the Suicide and Crisis Prevention Hotline will be displayed here: 9-8-8. It's that simple. Call or text that number to be instantly sourced to a crisis counselor. Speak with someone today if you feel alone and need help.
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Speaker 2:Infinite Podcast with Robin Corp the Cube. Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of the Project Infinite Podcast, the podcast covering the infinite and ever-expanding multiverse of fandom for movies, comics, tv shows, video games. We got you covered. I'm Rob. I'm here, as always, with Court. Court, the Oscars happened. They didn't happen, they didn't happen. And we'll talk about the Oscars. It was. I don't think anything was particularly surprising.
Speaker 1:I think there's one. There's one, one award that is that has people talking, but we'll, we'll get there.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So we're going to recap the Oscars a little bit briefly. We're going to talk about them a little bit more in depth next week. So this week we thought it would be a great opportunity to do a thing that we didn't get a chance to do during the summer, and that is talk about the. You know, you know the thing the, the bar, the barbenheimer, happened in in the summer. Oh, we're not talking about Gran Turismo. Oh, okay, you're going to. You're going to tell me, you're going to strap that kid to a 300 million dollar rocket. It's on Netflix now. It is on Netflix now. I've heard, I've heard decent things actually as long as your movie's decent.
Speaker 2:You did, you did, all right. Well, we're going to talk about two movies that were a little bit more than decent. Obviously, the juggernaut, the summer duo juggernaut of Oppenheimer and Barbie. Oppenheimer obviously cleaned up at the Oscars as we kind of figured it was going to, and Barbie was this almost billion and a half dollar beast, and both these movies. I mean we're never going to see anything like this again and we'll talk about it. You know when we talk about it, when we talk about both these movies kind of a little bit more later in the show as well as the Oscars. But this was unlike anything ever and I mean this is the good part about, you know, social media and kind of the culture we find ourselves in, is it very, you know, naturally generated this kind of weird dichotomy between these two movies that Otherwise never would have had. This would have never happened without, like, the advent of social media and this kind of you know, the world we find ourselves in.
Speaker 2:Like it was a really interesting time, you know, and it was in the midst of, obviously, the writer's strike and all that and both these movies just absolutely dominated the box office and it was really neat. It was really neat to see these two totally polar opposite movies just kind of thriving off of one another like accidentally.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just really cool, yeah, so, short of that, we're going to get into the news now and breaking breaking news. We like to break news on the show, sometimes just in time for when we were going to record this. So, apparently, according to Daniel RPK on Twitter, who was a pretty reputable source of info, the Eternals 2 is no longer in development at Marvel Studios. I don't, I mean, I'm surprised that this is. This is the one that is like the cap casualty of sure, kind of what you know Bob Iger has been talking about, like he's been talking about, you know, in recent weeks about how he felt like Marvel kind of has to downsize a bit. And we both agree on that point that you know Marvel kind of has to retool themselves and kind of downsize. We're seeing that this year, with only getting Deadpool is the only movie Marvel movie this year and you know, I don't think I'm surprised that this is happening, but I'm a little surprised that Eternals 2 is kind of a casualty of that.
Speaker 1:Right, right. And I mean you know some of the other movies we're looking at. We're looking at Armor Wars that was changed into a movie we're looking at. You know you have Armor Wars. You have Captain America, which obviously is a must. You have Eternals and you know, out of all these movies that are going to be released or rumored to be released, everything you know, just based off the groundwork you lay in in Phase 4 with the Eternals, and you know all the heavy lifting that you did to get all these characters into place.
Speaker 1:And you know I have this as one of my, one, of the single most. It's like the, it's like the multiversal saga Doctor Strange for me, where I think it's that one that is super underrated and so misunderstood. You know it's a bit disappointing that, of all these depict, this is the one. You know I thought Chloe Zhao did a great job for, you know, whatever constraints that she may have been given. So you know, hopefully it's not true. You know it seems pretty true just because all the reporting going on, I hope to see some of these characters again to.
Speaker 1:I mean you know just a couple of them. Barry Keegan is super popular these days. You know, brian, tyree Henry. I'd love to see him again like and the story's not finished, that's my big thing. So I wonder if they take all this Eternals energy and they flip it into a bit of what I think they might do for Black Knight with Dane Whitman, just to make sure Cersei gets back.
Speaker 1:And, you know, for Gemma Chan too. You know, I quite like Gemma Chan. I wish she got another chance to lead this team and be the main character again too. So, and Richard Madden on top of that too. So it is. It is unfortunate. I wish this one was sticking around. I wanted to see what the second swing of this is. But you know, if this is, you know I don't even want to make my point it stinks when stuff doesn't come out that was supposed to. I mean, these are people's jobs. And, like now, chloe Zhao's 10 years over, possibly at Marvel with this as well too, and you know, this makes me feel like we might not see any of these characters again for a while, if so yeah, I mean, that's, that's the.
Speaker 2:You know, the most kind of craziest thing about all this is it definitely felt like they were laying some sort of groundwork for the Eternals to be like a big deal. And we've kind of talked about in the past how Marvel's never really done this before as far as like announcing a thing. And then that was always like the DC kind of kind of thing is they would announce like a bajillion things and half of them would never get released. But now, you know, marvel kind of fell into that trap and we talked about how that was also kind of a mistake, just announcing so many things so far ahead of time, because obviously, for one reason or another, certain things fall through. I mean, obviously the Jonathan Majors thing totally blew up in their face.
Speaker 2:As far as like going forward, kang the Conqueror A lot of these movies have under, under delivered and it just feels like, you know, they're done. I don't think there's panic happening, I think it's just they're making tough decisions and I think they're kind of realizing that they're, that they're mortal at the end of the day and they're like, you know, we got to kind of start assessing what's necessary versus what we want to do and for now, I think you know I don't think this is a thing that could be permanent. I think you know, if they kind of get back on track, deadpool makes a billion dollars and they're like All right, maybe we can kind of open up the, open up the the shutters a little bit on some certain things. I think I don't think it will ever lead to maybe a full fledged Eternals to, but I do think to your point. I think they might retool some of the characters and ingratiate them into various projects.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which might be a, you know, on the other side of the coin, that might be a bit difficult to even do. You know, because of that it was such a large cast of characters. So who do you pick and choose from? I mean, face front, cersei's number one you probably need to get back and it's just such a cliffhanger from Eternals one. And it's not like you're just throwing these. You know looking, you know inspiration wise and what you're pulling from. It's not like you're throwing these characters out and they're just these random kick like D list characters. Like you know, face front, for what it's worth.
Speaker 1:Before 2014, the Eternals were more popular than the Guardians of the Galaxy were. It's just you know what you need to perceive and live action and what's working for your studio. So hopefully Cersei comes back, is with date, you know, is with light, and that's a project that happens just because you know I hope they don't waste that potential of having Kit Harrington signed on to anything and you just don't take advantage of it. You know, like I said, barry Keegan's there, you have Brian Tyree, henry, you got some. You got some good talent around you as well. So hopefully we get to see some of these again and you know, I don't know if Harry Styles will ever come to fruition. Maybe that's why I got canceled. Who's to say Kenny Act? We don't know. He didn't have. He had one line in Dunkirk.
Speaker 2:You know what, what a powerful line it was.
Speaker 1:whatever it was, In the time that you get to the next piece of news, I'll find it.
Speaker 2:Okay, good. Well, I'm getting to that piece of news now, so you better work fast. I don't mean to bum you out twice in a row, but I'm going to. So the Batman's been delayed. I'm not doing great, I mean not doing great. Yeah, so Batman part two was now delayed to October of 2026. So it's a year from the previously announced date, essentially. So nobody. Nobody said why. I imagine it's just because they don't want to jam pack one year with Superman and Batman.
Speaker 1:Sure, sure, and I think it's maybe to. It could be a litany of things I mean we're not even talking about behind it. You know this is it could be just a studio thing, but also think about this too If Dune three gets greenlit, dune three will probably come out. It's 2024. Dune three will probably come out somewhere closer to 2026.
Speaker 1:Greg Fraser is a big piece of what made the Batman work so well. So to make sure you get certain people back for this thing is important. All these actors have schedules to that they need to work out. Maybe they're looking after an actor that they want to play, the villain that they got, to make sure that they get to this place on time. Like there's so many factors that go into it. So you know, this is kind of the employer from us to be to say it's not immediately bad. I mean, the best example is Top Gun Maverick. To get you know that delay was. That was a heavy delay. That was that a year plus of a delay. That movie was supposed to come out in 2021 or 2020. Maybe came out in 2021.
Speaker 1:Yeah, early 2021, came out in 2022. And you know, look at the success that that had the Batman. You know. You know how I feel about the Batman, so obviously I'd want this movie quicker. Next year was gearing up to be like an all time year for superheroes, but what were we getting next year? We were getting Captain America, for we were getting Captain America for you getting Superman. You're getting the fantastic, for you're getting you were going to get the Batman. Like it was going to be an incredible year, but you know it is what it is. At the end of the day it's. It's unfortunate. I really would have wanted the movie, but if I in Matt Reeves, we trust that's how I'll leave it, matt Reeves, we trust I'm not particularly nervous and this gives us gives us the best, you know, story we can get. Then it gives us the best story we can get.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I totally agree. We talked before. I don't think this. I don't think delays are necessarily a bad thing. It all comes with the caveat of what, what kind of news the companies did away. You know, like when you hear things that, like X movie is delayed because it's going to go undergo extensive reshoots, and you're like that's not great. Or, you know, in the case of like blade, for instance, we're like they had to tear the whole thing down and rebuild it with their double born again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So you know it all comes with whatever news. The companies that we didn't really get any news about this other than the date got pushed back, which, to your point, makes it seem like they're waiting on something, some type of scheduling conflict that they want to clear up. And then that's the case. Good, like, if you have your eyes set on certain people, you should wait until said people are available to do your thing, because that means you have a clear vision for your thing and you don't want to sacrifice any bit of it To make it, and I think that's smart. So if that's the case, then that's awesome.
Speaker 1:And into wishlist Anything you want out of that movie.
Speaker 2:Well, apparently the thing that I said about the Joker being Hannibal Lecter is going to happen, and so the lambs. I just thought that made the most sense based on the scene that he was in. So I think that's like I said, I think that's really that's a really cool idea. It's something we haven't really seen them do with the Batman and Joker on screen yet. This is kind of like, like I said, like Hannibal Lecter, as kind of I help you, you help me, kind of uneasy alliance.
Speaker 1:So I don't think that was the capability of the Joker. Yet that's probably what they're reserving for the third movie is. He doesn't know, and you know it's just. It's one of those things where you know hindsight 2020, we didn't realize how popular Barry Keegan was going to get in the last year, so obviously they had been happy with what they have. He got him for a reason, but you know, the salt burn effect does extremely help. So now he's one of these actors that's being sought out after, you know, in a major way. So to have him now locked in as one of the most famous super villains of all time is, you know, it's great. It's like it was a win-win on both sides. I mean, you know, if they, if they choose to just go from where they were from the last movie and pick up immediately I mean Gotham's underwater so you freeze Gotham, you do Mr Freeze, you know, just for the logistics of that universe. I don't know how plausible that is.
Speaker 1:I've heard rumors about Clayface as the villain that you want to go for, but I think you do a two-villain set and you do Hush. I just feel like Hush is a villain. You know who I would love that would play Hush. What's, what's my man that we just saw in Oppenheimer. That never makes public appearances, but he's been on all the not Josh Artenet, right, that's not his name. I'm going to remember his name right now, but I don't know why. I feel like he would be an incredible Hush. I'm going to figure this out for you right now, but I feel like Hush is a great villain to do. Like I said, I've heard Clayface is a thing that's been, you know, kicked around a bit that that some people would like him there. Actor that I was thinking about should be. If I look at the full cast of Oppenheimer one moment, oh, not the full cast of Oppenheimer.
Speaker 2:He had a big role in the movie.
Speaker 1:I don't know why this isn't just immediately popping up. This is making me mad, but it would be. Where are you, josh? Josh Artenet, yeah, I don't know why. Josh Artenet would be a cool, I don't know why. Just pick I either. Picture him as Hush. I love that little fan cast that Oscar Isaac is Harvey Dent would be. It would be pretty good. I also quite like the who was it? The Lequise Stanfield is as Harvey Dent. Like a younger, like a young gun. Harvey Dent would be kind of great.
Speaker 1:So maybe you get Harvey Dent in that movie. I think it plays a little bit too close to the Dark Knight If you put him in the second movie again. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, you can dip into the Batman lore a little bit, obviously Hush. I think the third movie if you do it, you do Court of Values would be really cool. It would be something we've never seen live action besides Gotham, obviously. But you know, we could push that off to the side for a little bit. But yeah, I mean I'm, because I'm a psychopath, I did just watch the Batman late last night because I can't help myself. It's just one of my favorite movies ever. So, whatever they do, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just going to trust them. Yeah, I think they're going to do the right thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that I think they've earned that trust. Speaking of studios that have earned our trust Sony so this is our little bit, this is our little Sony corner. So Michael Keaton came out. Michael Keaton Great week for Michael Keaton. Yeah, it was. It was the Oscar bit. The Oscar bit was really good. This isn't even news, but I think it's just hilarious that he spoke about his, his, his cameo and Morbius in the post credit scene. He was like they, they, he doesn't. He basically doesn't know why he was there, and he said that they also didn't know why he was there, and if you've seen the movie, that is very apparent that they have no idea why the vulture was in that post credit scene, and I think that's hilarious. Good for them. Though. Look man, they're, they're not. What's their, what's their plan, what's their direction?
Speaker 1:I don't particularly care, particularly. I'm not worried about it, like I, you know here's. Here's what I'll say, here's what. Here's what I'll say. If the plan is to be the most unhinged studio, that doesn't make any sense. They're the greatest studio on planet Earth. Like there's nobody doing it, like them. It's like you always say, the irrational confidence is something to be, is something to revel in. You just don't care enough to be, ever be like. You know, maybe, maybe this doesn't make sense. I know, I know Craven has something in there. That's just absurd.
Speaker 2:I just know it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1:I know there's something in there just doesn't make any slight sense and it's gonna hit.
Speaker 2:I can't wait.
Speaker 1:They have actors just openly being like we don't know what this is they've been destroying madame web at every award show that you can think of every press. Junk it.
Speaker 2:It's just madame web is the worst movie ever speaking of things, though, that I'm three has a title it does the.
Speaker 1:Let's talk about the greatest things to come out of Sony it.
Speaker 2:Maybe it is so. Venom 3 is officially gonna be subtitled the last dance. I love it.
Speaker 1:I love it so much, it's so good like it's just look, just.
Speaker 2:It just felt like every movie that they made after venom they're trying to recapture like the goofy venom magic, and they just haven't done it. And it's probably just because that was the only one that can do it that I'm still in. I can do it. Tom Hardy is the only person uniquely suited for this task. I think the last dance I don't think it's an accident that they're calling it that.
Speaker 1:Nope, they should sort of just have Deadpool do is to started where they're just like and somebody's gonna die in this one, it's not gonna be Wolverine, that's exactly how it should go. Make sure, tell Agile, for no, don't be cowards, do it, don't. If you're gonna do it, put him in a funky stupid suit, paint his face and just have him to have him to fund one liners that's what we said right when we saw that up to like what do you want out of them three?
Speaker 1:you might just do, just do know you do know what not go full send. If you're gonna do it, you might as well. You're never gonna get another chance. No, you're not. After no shot. The way the superhero realm is going, especially on the Marvel side, no way you're getting another shot at this. This is the last dance, right? Yeah, I hope they do it.
Speaker 2:They're not, but no, they should. I think of you. We don't know a ton about this movie.
Speaker 1:We don't, to be honest no, would be so good because, like you see how afraid he was of carnage, imagine if the actual symbiote, god, came down oh, imagine him explaining the concept of a symbiote God to Eddie so so you got a little symbiote God here. I was my best. Any Brock in Brecht and I could do on them on the fly.
Speaker 2:It's also so strange like that Tom Hardy loves him an accent and I'll say that much.
Speaker 1:Did he need to do the accent, and bike riders probably not. Is he gonna do it though?
Speaker 2:yep can't wait. Venom 3 is gonna be a revolution. I can't wait. So other other Marvel news quick. This is a bizarre story. So X-Men 97 comes out literally next week and out of nowhere bow to my old the show runner has been fired. I do know he was also working on blade mm-hmm had his hands on a couple of Marvel projects and then he just evaporated mm-hmm from existence. Mm-hmm there's. Marvel gave no mm-hmm. There was no like creative differences, there was no nothing. That he's gone poof.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't even truthfully want to speculate about this, because I feel like it's a bit unfair to speculate about it. We just thought we'd let you guys know digital footprint wiped from from existence.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like it's crazy. He just so strange.
Speaker 1:He, just we. It was like the middle of the day yesterday and he just was fired in it. What? And, like you said, it wasn't like a. You know he's being fired, but like this, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:He thinking for his work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we let you know he was fired, and that is the end of it it's so bizarre and in an age where, like, information is pretty easily to get access to, nobody seems to know what happened here. So I don't know, man, I have a bad feeling that some, some things are gonna unfold about this that you know it's not gonna be, not gonna be pretty, for for mr DeMile, I would imagine, if that's the case. So yeah, that, that. But you know, pivoting a little bit, I am still really excited for X-Men 97. I dropped another trailer today too. Yeah, you don't have to sell me on anymore. I'm good, I'm, I'm in. You don't have to tell me anymore, I'm in on this. Speaking of things I'm in on. So Steven Spielberg has confirmed that ready player two is in development. He will not be directing, he will be producing, that's fine with me too.
Speaker 1:Sure, you know he's at that. He's at that piece of his career where he's probably gonna be a little bit more picky, choosy and a little bit more. If he's gonna make it like the fableman's was such a personal project, obviously. So if he's gonna do something at this age, he's gonna. Probably it's gonna have to be the absolute right thing.
Speaker 1:You know where I probably could have got that tell from him not doing dial of destiny, because dial of destiny was kind of, you know, propped up that he could have taken that movie himself and we talked about how, if he did, that movie was probably there's, there's like a really good movie inside of that movie. We think so yeah, I'm, it's cool, I'm, I was quite a fan of the first one. I know the first one is what people think is his worst movie, which I, you know it's funny. I was just thinking about this because I was thinking about killers of the flower mood, because I just watched it and I don't think that killers of the flower movies score says his worst movie. I think it's actually one of his best. But that's the point. Like you know how good you have to be, we're like your worst, right? Imagine people think your worst movie is like ready player one, like that's the worst thing you could have done, yeah, yeah. Like imagine moonfall being your worst movie, like, wow, I'm gonna make moonfall, roland Emmerich um, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2:Um, I I quite like the first one. I haven't seen it in forever, um, but I did like it quite a bit. Um, I just feel like maybe people just don't feel like it's like a Spielberg movie, even though he directed it. I think maybe that's kind of part of the disc and he was trying something new.
Speaker 1:He said it. He said I want to dip into this new realm of what movie making could be yeah and yeah, I think, I think, I think it makes sense that they're gonna do another one. Anybody you want for that movie to direct it mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Uh, I don't know, I feel like it's a. I feel like it's a pretty unique kind of universe for someone to tack on, mm-hmm, because it's like sci-fi, but it's also kind of like, I mean, it's very matrixy, obviously.
Speaker 1:Um, maybe a young gun can take that somebody that's a little younger. It would be fun with something like that. Yeah, maybe like somebody that's that's just made like one or two things like we. We said the thing about Lee Isaac Chung. I forget if it was last week or two weeks ago maybe, when he talked about the Super Bowl, where Lee Isaac Chung makes this super tender, you know American, you know, uh, american immigrant story Minari, and then he, he fires back with, with twisters out of everything. So, yeah, maybe there's something like that. You know, chloe Zhao had been making movies for a while and Eternals still has her feel on it, but Eternals is still a big budget Marvel movie at the end of the day.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I think that would be cool too, like, especially if Spielberg's gonna be involved in the production, he kind of gets a director on board that maybe doesn't have a ton on another belt yeah, maybe somebody could take under his wing too.
Speaker 2:That would be cool yeah, I think that would be awesome. Um, and then the last bit of news I have before we mentioned the stuff about the Oscars, so, so Insomniac Studios had, obviously we talked about the leaks that they were victim of and one of the things that kind of got not swapped under the rug. But people were like why was this happening? Was this spider-man multiplayer um online game, the great web? And people were like this sounds kind of crazy. Um, and it was supposed to come out in 2026 and it just felt like a lot of concept art. And then all of a sudden, yesterday, two trailers get leaked, um, for what appears to be a fairly finished product, looks very finished, it looks pretty clean and you're low and dull. Did voice work? Was that him, I think? So I don't think that was him. Sounded like him, um, especially the second trailer.
Speaker 1:The second trailer sounded a lot like him, but and you also did that lifting in and you know spoilers for spider-man too, but you, you do across the spider-man, the spider-verse in spider-man too, the video games, yeah so what?
Speaker 2:what is happening here?
Speaker 1:because I'm conspiracy rob put his conspiracy cap on yesterday, so here's my, here's my like fear, almost for lack of a better word. I'm a little confused as to why you would cancel a game like this. Like. I feel like a game like this might be able to just print you money. Like a spider-man multiversal game where with, I mean, I look like a lot of customization, a lot of customization. Maybe it's the pay. Maybe this game probably costs like a stupid amount of money to make. Could be. Um, it costs me to keep up with the game to the thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah absolutely is a part of it. Um, they would have to have a team dedicated to basically keeping the game working and functioning, um, but it had all the bells and whistles. It had all the the spider-man too, movement and combat and, like I said, it looked pretty polished. It's weird that they would dive, dump all those assets into into a thing and then cancel it. So I'm saying it feels weird. It feels weird. I wouldn't be surprised, it wouldn't shock me if you know, summer games fest, game awards time came around and they're like surprise, this is coming out in 2026 or 2025 whatever the case is, back and your own balls back, yeah that wouldn't surprise me, because this is.
Speaker 2:I'm getting dead pooly vibes from this, from this leak, because that insomniac leak happened a while ago yeah, so now it feels weird that and all that stuff that was put out onto the internet, none of that stuff was this polished like. All that stuff was obviously like pre-alpha stuff and that's what I assumed this was when they talked about it in the leak. I assumed it was going to be like if they had anything. It was going to be like concept art and storyboarding, but no this is like.
Speaker 2:This is like an actual game. This looks like a trailer that you would put out, absolutely yeah, and be like this is coming out, yeah so I'm monitoring this because it feels like I don't know.
Speaker 2:It feels weird to me that that this is a thing because, especially, you know, and they just came, like the spider-man 2 big update, just came out, the new game plus, so it just feels, feels, feels gimmicky to me in a way that I can't, I can't, I don't trust these companies with anything, especially when it comes to, like gorilla marketing, right yeah, anyone's capable of anything.
Speaker 2:So we'll see. I mean it. You know we I've taken the stance on live service stuff. But when live service stuff is done, well, you know it can work. And I think you know this could potentially work because hey, it's fun. It looks, you know they're just gonna port spider-man 2 mechanics into like a live service thing. That would be sick if it's not too predatory on the microtransactions.
Speaker 1:That's the fear, but I feel like insomniac is could be trusted to make sure they'd never do that. Where it's pay to play, maybe you just, if it's I always. If it's cosmetic, go ahead, go ahead, because anybody, if you want to look cool, that's fine. Just don't give advantage to players that spend more money. That's where it always it all like clockwork, it always becomes the issue yeah, so we'll see sort of that.
Speaker 2:Let's move on to the oscars. So we'll talk about this a little bit, just kind of overview, general thoughts, like I said yeah, I mean we can focus on the show itself, like the oscar show itself.
Speaker 1:It was pretty good it was not bad.
Speaker 1:Not bad this year. Um, obviously, you know I'm gonna save my thoughts on general, anything like that. I mean I'll we could just focus on. You know the structure of the show. I started early, started an hour early, so to make sure you know what was it. 2018 was the year where I think Alfonzo Cuaron won best director off screen during a commercial, which is just absolute, or uh, or I think they won the cinematography award for Roma got announced off screen and people and including myself, are you kidding me like that's a joke um, so they retooled it, made sure everything was in there. Performances were great. We got, uh, we got some stuff. I mean the big performance was I'm just Ken. It was amazing, yeah, and then I mean also Billie Eilish doing, um, doing her song was great. Um, it was just a. It's a fun show. The John Cena bit nobody got slapped. Nobody got slapped. Uh, we got slapped with John Cena's nakedness, though he is incredible. He's the funniest thing I saw, with somebody who's just like the kids are watching. I said no, kids watching the.
Speaker 2:Oscars. Yeah, nobody's want no kids watching the Oscars. Although it did like there was like a part of me, like in my brain to be like it's like how not mainstream the Oscars is now, but you know what I mean. Like I feel like 80s, 90s, like it was always like this big posh kind of like. This is like one night only, like black tie event which still is, yeah and then John Cena rocks up naked.
Speaker 2:You know doing a bit, but I mean, look Cena is he's absolutely fearless, shameless, um, you know, I think it's awesome that you know anyone who remembers the lead up to the Suicide Squad stuff. He was, oh, the peacemaker gear for everything.
Speaker 1:It just it was awesome.
Speaker 2:Um, the guy just does everything 100% and he has no kind of you know. He doesn't take himself too seriously and I think it's awesome, so good for him. Obviously, the Ryan Gosling performance was better than probably you could have even imagined it could be.
Speaker 1:It was, it was like it was interactive with the crowd. They got messy the dog from Anatomy of the fall too good stuff.
Speaker 2:Oh man, it was tremendous. That performance was great. They had all the kens were there all the kens were there.
Speaker 1:Um, you know I got slash was there. Slash was there to help out at the end was awesome. Um, al Pacino was there. Let's say, do you want to get that out of the way? Or?
Speaker 2:yeah, we can, we can talk about it.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm, like you know, part of me wants to be like that fun, like you know, film, twitter, person. That's just like. This is the best. That's actually the best way to announce the best picture my I see up in Heimer and the music and the music. He was just like wait, did he just say it? Do we got to play the music? It's just for how. It's just funny, because for it to be announced for like that, for how monument. Oh, al Pacino would have played for the moonlight year, that would have that would have played if it was Al Pacino that said my I see up in Heimer he puts his glasses on my I see moon light. Now, that would have played. But you know, I don't even want to say it is what it is, because this is like a prestigious award and it's in Oppenheimer, is one of the most deserving best picture winners of all time. So you know, I don't think anybody, any of the Oppenheimer team, is stressing about it.
Speaker 2:They left, you leave, with seven Oscars you get the trophy at the end of the day. It's what you care about. Yeah, you get seven Oscars.
Speaker 1:You got to feel pretty proud of yourself. So I mean, how do you want to do this? You want to just shoot through every award and just say one yeah, killing Murphy for best lead actor. Awesome, best supporting actor. Robert Danny Jr. No surprise, the single biggest surprise of the night, who also probably looked very surprised, was Emma Stone herself for best best actress. Who that was? That was an interesting one, that was a very interesting one. That's two, that's two for her. Uh, yes, she's got two Oscars nominated for three. I mean, and you're not even how does own Emma Stone in her early 40s or late 30s, 35, she's 35 and she has?
Speaker 2:she's putting together a resume my friend.
Speaker 1:You know how many more years is she gonna have this people?
Speaker 2:need to. I feel like she's kind of like because of like her kind of how she came up, you know, and you know doing easy right doing, you know doing and you know what's the best thing for her.
Speaker 2:She came up at the end of that era and then she adapted right into the new era of what movies were and you know, just like her personality, like she's very she's this quirky, like you know, like you said, she was genuinely felt like genuinely shocked that she both Oscars. I feel like she won. She felt like she was genuinely shocked. So, like people, I feel like don't recognize her as like a legitimate, like all-time great actress.
Speaker 1:But she's getting and she's putting that type of resume together.
Speaker 1:I know Jennifer Lawrence is dusting her boots off and just like, give me a bit of time, I'll be right back. My favorite, my favorite one of the evening for the actors is Dave. I enjoy Randolph. I mean, her performance in the holdovers is just just what you talked about, just you know, absolutely heartbreaking and subtle and just everything you, everything that acting can be. It, just it was. It was so great animated feature went to the boy in the hair on which I did we call that, did we say that? We thought across the spider verse was was gonna, if it was gonna lose to something, it was gonna be that yeah um.
Speaker 1:Cinematography obviously goes to the way to Van Houttema, which is awesome. I love listening to him talk about movies. Costume this is where poor things started to cook a little bit. Costume design went to poor things obviously. Director went to Christopher Nolan documentary feature once one to 20 days in Maripole, which and it probably had made the most impactful. So the world impact speech definitely goes to this one. It definitely had the room you know quiet and had attention, which is amazing. Documentary short goes to the last repair shop. That that was also a great speed. It was an. It was an efficient to the point but such an impactful speech, I loved it.
Speaker 1:Editing goes to Oppenheimer for Jennifer Lame and she's got a pretty good resume she's put together and she's only I think she's still in her 30s or something like that so she's gonna be probably one of the best editors you can ask for. International feature film is the big one. Goes to zone of interest. I don't think there's any particularly. I mean it was not. Usually the one that's nominated for best picture gets the best international film, if there's one that makes sense. Makeup and hair styling went to poor things. That movie looks very, very weird and very just quirky and very I love it. Ludwig Gorsen score in Oppenheimer is just, it's just phenomenal. The best song what was I made for by Billy Eilish, obviously best picture to Oppenheimer. No surprise there, in my opinion, production designed to, to pour things again. I don't think there's like. I don't think there's any contention for that. Those movie looks awesome.
Speaker 1:Animated short, the war is over, best live action short, the wonderful world of Henry sugar. And Wes Anderson's first Oscar, to which he was not in attendance for hmm, I did see the after, which was, which was pretty heartbreaking. That made me sad. It was like an 18 minute of just sadness wave. That hit me. But it's pretty dang good and I obviously I saw all the Roald Dahl, wes Anderson collaboration short films at the drop to Netflix.
Speaker 1:Sound design Oppenheimer loses to zone of interest, but zone of interest has to have some of the best creepy ambient anticipation for the bang sound design you can ask for, which is pretty incredible. Visual effects Godzilla minus one. That was awesome. That was a. That was a really good win. I thought the creator might have smuck in there. And also, what am I looking at for my ICs cinematography? What am I looking at for this? One killed. The creator beat out. Any of El Conde looks great. I was looking at some of the stills from El Conde. Kills of the fire moon obviously looks great. Maestro looks great. Poor things Oppenheimer. What I love for the creator to sneak in there 100%. But you know, beggars can't be choosers. Visual effects, like we said. Writing so the adaptive screenplay.
Speaker 1:This was my personal favorite speech of the night from cord Jefferson. I've been listening, I've listened to about four different interviews that cord Jefferson has had. Uh, cord Jefferson's in his early 40s, so he's got a heck of a career of. He's already worked on Watchman and succession, two of my favorite shows, um and I was. This one just made me so overtly joyed and you know his speech was just.
Speaker 1:You know all about the. You know we see all these 200 million dollar movies. But it's about why can't we just make 54 million dollar movies? And you know we don't need these extensive budgets. And if that's in favor of more people get to tell their stories, then let that happen. If the movie hits, you're gonna make your budget back, but you spent four million and you get to have a different perspective told it's. It was quite incredible. And then for original screenplay went to Anatomy of a Fall. I was just. I was hoping, hoping, hoping Celine song would get something for past lives. I'm still doubling down. I still think that's the second best movie of this year. But yeah, goes to Anatomy of a Fall and yeah, that's the Oscars Roundup for for the 96 Oscars of 2024 yeah, like I said, I don't think anything particularly egregious.
Speaker 2:Um, really, gladstone, yeah, if you want to argue the the best actress thing that you absolutely could, um, for sure, um, but you know, I just harken back to last year and you know what happened there and I don't think this is nearly as egregious as that.
Speaker 1:Um, you're talking about the supporting actress yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I don't, I don't yeah, yeah, it's not like Emma Stone doesn't deserve this by any means. Yeah, it's not like the fact that I don't and you know I watched I told you before I got I watched everything everywhere, all I once, four days ago or something like that and I just she's fun and like weird and cool and crazy in that movie, but I just I don't know how you look at that and you can plausibly compare that to like a level of performance and subtlety that you know KiHui Khan had or Michelle Yo, like I don't know how you look at that and you're like thought the camera's like yep, that's a best, that that's a best supporting actress, something. Again, it's not, it's not Jamie Lee Curtis' fault, is you know? I just I just don't understand how that one was was picked out of everything yeah, yeah, and you know, I just think Lily Gladstone potentially ran.
Speaker 2:I mean she ran into a couple things, but one of the things she definitely ran into is just you know a lot things that a lot of movies and actors and directors run into during the Oscars is sometimes, sometimes in any other year. You know what I mean, that you know you probably win and then you just it's just you know just, unfortunately didn't happen. But I will say I think Lily Gladstone has an incredibly promising career. I mean you.
Speaker 1:You get this performance and I just watched it yesterday and boy woof, it's just, it's again. It's that little, it's that subtlety of it's, it's like the replacement of like you can go so many routes with acting, it's adaptive. That's why it's so incredible and you know thinking of how heartbreaking but how tough that she is in that world too. It's not immediate face front, like you know. I'm trying to think of a performance that's like a boom of a performance, like I mean you can take the one Charlize Theron one, for that's like a. That's like a pretty big boom of a performance face front. This is not a boom of a performance and it's the reason why it's funny.
Speaker 1:It's the reason that I think Devine won the one for some best supporting is how Lily lost for for best actress and it's like it's the contrast. But again it's not as egregious as last year, not even close, like Emma stones got to. That's amazing. Lily Gladstone's a, you know, I just hope this doesn't affect your career. That's what I'll leave it I hope to her not winning doesn't affect any role that she's going to get in the future, because we talked about it. They do look at that. They do market your movies like two-time or oscar one or two-time oscar one or like.
Speaker 2:That's how these studios operate yeah, yeah, um, and then I mean on the Oppenheimer front, obviously just a tremendous year for that movie. Um, didn't, didn't, didn't, quite didn't, hit the. Uh, the lord of the rings sweep but, you know, I don't, I don't know if any movie ever will.
Speaker 1:It's tough, it's so tough it's, it's 11 for 11 and it's not. It's not tough in the way of. Like you know, the production design is just better now sound mixing, yeah, everything, every everyone's. Better now than they were, technology just catching up to the way that everybody like, and it's not. It is because some some are better, some are worse, and you know our is objective or subjective, whatever argument you want to make. It's just because there's so much more people that are good at these things now and it's the variety.
Speaker 2:Yep, which is awesome, yeah, which is awesome.
Speaker 1:There's so many and there's so many younger good people at these things too. Um, and yeah, and you know I would, I'd like to see Oppenheimer do a sweep, which I thought it was going to happen. Um, and you know, you look more into the sound mix of zone of interest and that's the thing, and you know we always say it about the Oscars competition's, great competition brings out the best and most of us. However, that's not the point, it just isn't. Yeah, this is. You know I always look for those, everybody. You know you're there for the bitch, you're there for the performances.
Speaker 1:The controversy of this person didn't win. This person won. You know what I love the Oscars were the bits where they play the reels from the best pictures or the in-memory and all these great people's work that sadly passed away. Like it's those little ambient pieces of the Oscars that are just that's what I love about it. It's like it's the celebration piece of this thing, and Christopher Nolan said it best in his speech when he got that director from Steven Spielberg of all people, which was just awesome. But you know, we're a hundred years into this thing. Imagine being a hundred years in the painting or theater, like, yeah, we haven't even scratched the surface of what movies are going to be, and it's just that. And you know, it's a great time to be a, to be, to be a picture maker, as they say in the fable ones yeah, and it you know it also.
Speaker 2:You know, sweeping is is incredibly difficult because it also depends on what you get nominated for. And when you look back at the return of the king, they didn't get any acting nominations. They didn't. They didn't get a cinematography nomination like that, you know, they probably wouldn't have won for. So it really just depends on what you get nominated for. So for Oppenheimer to have won the ones that it did is, you know, almost as impressive as sweeping everything that you got nominated for. So that is not a slight on them whatsoever.
Speaker 2:So, that being said, um, yeah, let's talk about the two movies that dominated the summer, dominated, dominated one day in the summer. Just, um, from the moment these two movies got announced and it was like wait, are these two movies actually going to come out the same day? Um, is this really going to happen to? Um, you know we were, we were there for a long the ride with, with the casting announcements, um, that were just hot and heavy for both movies. They were like wait, who's in this? What's happening? Um, so, yeah, let's talk about these two movies. Do you want to do the fun one first or you want to do barbie?
Speaker 1:let's do the fun okay, like Oppenheimer is way more fun than you would think. I was just talking about this to somebody that hadn't seen Oppenheimer yet and they were meeting to and they asked like you know, three hours, really like, is that 22 episodes?
Speaker 1:yeah 22 episodes really like, and I told them the last out this movie on paper. All right, so we're talking about Oppenheimer first. I was right, I was gonna talk about barbie. Let's talk about barbie. I really want to save Oppenheimer. All right, I'll make my point later don't, let me forget, all right.
Speaker 2:So, barbie man, talk about a movie that just defied, defied the odds, defied the odds, defied physics. Um, this movie was slated to come out. I don't think it was always slated for in 2020. This was always a thing that was kicked around, right? Sure, I mean, that's barbie sure this movie's especially as, like the advent of the adaptation became like a thing, yeah, you know, with superhero movies and and and video game movies and like, if you got a joe and joe transformers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, so this was always, you know, in the zeit guys, the most popular of which was the a me schumer version, which very different movie, very different, very different movie, um, and then you know, and hathaway was attached to it at one point, which that probably would have worked, sure, sure, she probably could have crushed that I think so too. I think so too but also probably a very different movie. It's a big short.
Speaker 1:That movie probably. You know that movie probably plays a little bit more like a mid 2000s rom-com between ken and barbie. I imagine that's probably my play um and then for after.
Speaker 2:So again, this is. This is the like. The things this movie had to navigate, so gouged out, was going to be in this. Yeah, and then, due to scheduling conflicts, she could not do it.
Speaker 1:Enter margo robbie and she also produced this movie too.
Speaker 2:Yep produced this movie and I mean, the rest is really history after that you know let's talk personally, always talk personally, week in, week out.
Speaker 1:We talk personally on your movie. So you get that kredit gurwig, who is coming off the heels of what's her last movie. Her last movie was, um, little women is her last movie. She's a multi-time nominated oscar director, um, so she's already has her body of work off of. How many films is she directed for? Uh, yep, for a bigger budget, I mean. And obviously lady bird's budget is in the in the, not in the hundred millions, obviously. So she's, it's not like she's, you know, done a bunch of stuff. But you know we we talk about it with ryan coogler.
Speaker 1:It's the same vein that I'll use in gredo gurwig. Like immediate impact as soon as you step in behind, step into the chair, and I love the energy that she brings when she directs, like I implore everybody to go watch her. The one scene in lady bird where lucas hedges and um secha ronan are in the field, just the way she's directing, with that pure passion. It's just like every director should have aspired to kind of act like that, because it's you can tell how passionate you about or about the project and that's the number one thing. And you know we talked about it last week with denny, with with dune, for for gredo gurwig, with barbie. It's how passionate you are about the thing you do. That's the number one thing I'll say for this movie, especially for a movie like this, for, like this on paper, this movie should just absolutely be an absurdity to me. And it was, and a movie was absurd. But it understands it. And again, that told denny point from last week. She understood what movie she was making as soon as she walked in. She had control over what movie that she was making when they walked in. But it was also a collaborative effort.
Speaker 1:Obviously our husband, oa bombak, helps write this movie too, and he's he's I mean he's a critically I think he's an oscar winning writer as well too. So you have all this personnel. And then, obviously, you know a big swing they took is sound, it's music that they incorporated. You get mark ronston on for this movie. Um, you know, very acclaimed artist himself and producer on top of that in hollywood, for on the music side he steps in, makes this fun, fun score. That score beat is so simple, but it's so, it's so catchy. This movie is catchy, this movie is very catchy.
Speaker 1:Um, it's mainstream, but it's not, it's not aggressively. It's not aggressively in your face about it, um, but it doesn't shy away from it and that's irony. This movie plays off irony really well. Um, it's just, it's very is oxymoronic the right word to use for this. Like it's just, I guess, in the sense that it shouldn't work, and I think the movie also understands that this is absurd. Like this is. This is the dumbest thing that we're trying to do. Like we're having like a like a multi-dimensional discussion about barbie land in the real world and how the how the intricacies of the real world affect barbie land it's very yeah, it's very melbrook since very slap stick.
Speaker 2:It's very common, you know, commentative on on society as well, but not in an aggressive way where people are going to get mad about it.
Speaker 1:Oh, some people were mad about it.
Speaker 2:People are extremely mad, but people were always going to be mad about it, exactly. But you also talked about buy-in, you know, from from the crew, right, you also got just abnormal buy-in from this cast, like everyone, everyone, that's in this perfect segue.
Speaker 1:Let's talk about this cast, totally moley. Let's just talk about the two mains. So you know when we've learned this movie was gonna happen. You know the first. Like you know, happiness comes from gretta gerwig's directing it. In my opinion, that's where the first bit of like oh, this can work and it she's gonna be one of those directors where she gets a narnia. This thing I grew up with as a kid, reading the books and watching these movies. Like gretta gerwig gets attached, I'm in, like now I'm in, doesn't matter, I'm, I'm there, I'm gonna be there for it. Then more of a robbie signs on and then you're like wait a second, is she the most barbie like looking person in hollywood? And you're like oh yeah, she, she probably is. And then ryan got sick steps and you're like is that the most ken looking guy in hollywood? You're like probably. You're like well, we're already two for two and let's just keep adding these fun actors in there too. Um, any standouts that that you quite like? I got a specific one that I really enjoyed oh, uh michael sarah.
Speaker 1:Michael sarah is great, as as as alan.
Speaker 2:I mean he's, he's the king of this right, that's really. Michael sarah's got hands. Alan does have hands. That's, that's I mean michael sarah, and michael sarah, in my opinion, put up like the y'all must have forgot mm-hmm, like appearance in this movie. I was the original weird guy yeah, yeah, I was, I was weird before, weird was cool, um, and he, I mean he was tremendous, like everyone's good in this, everyone's good in this, I love king's league bennyton's I don't know why, but he's just he's great.
Speaker 1:He. I just love how much he commits to whatever he does like. Remember, like our, the best thing about secret invasion was was gravic himself, just as the performance it was. It's the one of the only things that was actually working um kate mckinnon as weird barbie.
Speaker 2:Weird barbie um this cast is insane.
Speaker 1:Um great cameos like duela duela leap is in here.
Speaker 2:Duela leap and john sena yeah, it's merm john sena again just showing up, which that's just because, margo robby, just they were just chatting and margo robby was their friend, margo robby was like just, I think they, I think she tells the story or he did I forget who it was that they, it was just they were just sidelining like tongue at the suicide squad press and she was like you should just pop up in this. And he was like, all right, um, uh, I mean we can't go too far without talking about America for her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I mean that speech alone is gonna live in infamy. In my opinion, that's like a. That's one of those speeches where it's an. I don't care if you're upset about the speech, it's probably because it's at you.
Speaker 2:That's probably why you're so mad at the speech that you're giving? Yeah, sub-tweeted.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like you know this. You are the exact point that she's talking about for this whole thing. Yep, um. And you know, I love the structure. I quite like the structure of the Oscars. Where to have the. You know, obviously when you do new stuff you have to pilot it, see if it works.
Speaker 1:The concept behind the previous Oscar winners giving the best actor awards out. It is a little weird not seeing the performance. Like people watching, like the performance, like I was waiting for the scene from the Holdovers with Devine where she was talking about her son being gone. I was like and I was gonna be like, ooh, this could make me sad, but it's a great idea to have these past winners being like you know, we're so in awe of you and what you're able to do in your ability. So you know, obviously you talk she's got. Now she's an Oscar-nominated actress. You can't take that away from her at this point, whether you like it or not. And I could say the same thing for Jamie Lee Curtis. I know, I just said that you can't take that away from her. She's an Oscar winner. I think she was nominated but now she's a winner.
Speaker 1:But it's such a. I love how, I love how much you know how fun it is too. Like it's just a fun, like everybody understands the assignment Every single last person in here. This movie's Cinema. Let's talk about that for a second. Guess what the cinematographer of this movie also shot this year Killers of the Flower Moon. So if you don't think that there's personnel in this movie, you're just you're wrong. Billy Eilish has more Oscars than Mark and Scorsese.
Speaker 2:Oh, hey, man, look she's cheering them. This movie's funny, it's. It is very funny, it's just it's the dialogue and the writing is so sharp and so quick.
Speaker 1:That's the best point you just made. It's quick. It doesn't overstay its welcome.
Speaker 2:Like everything is snappy in this movie. The bit where Ken is walking around and he discovers the patriarchy is one of the funniest sequences I've seen in a movie in recent memory, when he's just walking around trying to get hired in places because he thinks he he's got it figured out.
Speaker 1:Ariana Greenblatt is tremendous, oh she just cooks Barbie when she gets to the lunch table.
Speaker 2:She's putting together a career right now that is worth you know noticing. Um, you know from, she had obviously a very brief. She kind of gained like kind of an internet fame because she played two young fandom characters, Young Gamora and Young Ahsoka, which she was good as.
Speaker 1:Young Ahsoka, as Young Ahsoka and Young Gamora. She was pretty. She was pretty good, Obviously it she didn't. Yeah, I have a ton to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she didn't need to do a lot. She just stood there and stood and stared at Josh Rowland and cooked him.
Speaker 1:I'm so disappointed in you. He's like and he cooked back, he cooked back. He might snap an half the universe out. I still did it so.
Speaker 2:But she's great in this. I love that she plays like the, you know the anti-Barbie character.
Speaker 1:But then she evolves, then she evolves, which is great. She gets the point.
Speaker 2:She gets the point of the why there was some, there was some, there was some acting in this movie.
Speaker 1:That last scene, not the very last scene where I need to see my gynecologist, which is also an incredible joke to throw in at the end, but the scene where she becomes a you know, pinocchio, I'm a real like where she becomes sentient and real.
Speaker 2:I was like wait, what is happening? Why is this movie making me sad all of a sudden?
Speaker 1:Like I said, the movie looks good. The movie looks quite good. It's colorful. It's colorful, it's it's the production design, is it's thought out. And again, sometimes you don't need your production designs. Obviously, this one's probably expensive, this one's probably stupidly expensive, but it utilizes it, it doesn't. It doesn't waste any dollar that it spent on this movie, which is awesome. So, um, anyway, let's let's talk about our boy. Let's just let's talk about him. Let's talk about our boy, ken Holy moly. Yeah, it just. It doesn't seem to matter what I do, I'm just always number two. He man, this is the biggest. I'm bought into. Every, every, it's a shenanigan that we're doing. It's. The biggest culprit of it is Ryan Gosley.
Speaker 2:It's one of those movies and one of those performances that like, I watch it and I'm like how did this? How, how did we get full takes? How did anyone get through this movie, with him around doing what he was doing in this movie?
Speaker 1:There's a. There's a behind-the-scenes reel where he came out for the first time doing the doing the Ken. Like the they did the Ken. Performance in Greta Gerwig's like she's losing it, like behind the camera she's like absolutely just laughing her butt off and she can't keep it together. Like this movie had to have been one of the most fun productions to be to be on.
Speaker 2:There's the reel of him doing the sublime, but he's doing different words, yep. And Margot Robbie just keeps laughing. Every time he yells something different and he ad-libbed the sublime bit. So like I, he's so good, mm-hmm, and it's just like man, this guy, look at this guy, I'll take a high-paying job with influence, please, please. Um, and it just like a reminder. It's a weird reminder of like how good he is as an actor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're gonna ask me what I did, and I'm gonna talk about something that I might have already talked about on here again, but I'm gonna talk about a movie that he's in again of how great he is. But he's just, he's just. He doesn't he's. So what's the word I'm looking for? He's so much of everything. I think that's the best he is. He is enough. Brian.
Speaker 2:Gossley himself. He, um, he's, and he's had this really unique, like unique, career. Yeah, yeah, he's done a bit of everything. It's kind of Emma Stone-ish Sure. In like a weird way, yeah, when he's like, he was like this. He did like the Teen Heart Throb thing, he did like the rom-com thing, he did like the drama thing with like he was in the notebook obviously Did the action thing.
Speaker 1:He did the gangster thing a bit, you know, and then he gets into like Musicals. The musicals he gets into, like his quote-unquote high-cinema route, like he just he does Blade Runner. He does Blade Runner, which is like you know he's you know he has so much under his belt. So and now he's doing this. Yeah, now he's doing this and, like I, there's no beat where I'm like what's he doing? No, he's good.
Speaker 2:Like. He never feels. That's a. That's a great point about him Never feels it doesn't matter what he's done. He never feels out of place in anything he's ever been in, except for remember the Titans, where he'd like it feels like that's not, he wasn't out of place, his character was trashed.
Speaker 1:There's a difference.
Speaker 2:But he also feels like I don't know. He feels he's too handsome to be a minor character.
Speaker 1:But he wasn't famous enough yet he wasn't that movie.
Speaker 2:What a cast in that movie. That movie is retroactively. That cast is like out of control, but that's another, we'll save that. What heirs is in that movie?
Speaker 1:Yeah, what he channel favorite what heirs.
Speaker 2:Love, what heirs. I'm just podcasting this is the Delphi gym.
Speaker 1:We're not singing, we're not dancing, we're boxing. What an actor, what heirs, andy Cahoo.
Speaker 2:But um Gosling man, I just every word he utters in this movie is just Magnetic. It's something like you're just like how, how do you? How do you do this? How are you this good of an actor?
Speaker 1:Um, but obviously, let's just, let's just get to the creme de la creme, which is Margot Robbie, as Barbie is one of the maybe one of the greatest castings of all time. Yeah, it's just, she is just, she's Barbie, but she's so much more about that and that's you know the whole idea of this movie. Yep, um, she's just. This movie's so stupidly amazing. It's so like I'm not talking about the movie itself being dumb like Morbius, just kidding Greatest movie ever, like. This movie is so weirdly like, it's stupid, like this movie is like it's such a joke, like, but it's not. It's so much more than that.
Speaker 2:You know what it does. You know what this movie does really well, it adheres to the rules of its own universe. Sure, sure, no matter how ridiculous it is, like the whole, like going back and forth between the Barbie land and the real world, and we see that sequence three times the exposition scene with weird Barbie.
Speaker 1:Like, oh, and this movie structures very well, this movie structured well and this movie might have one of the best hero journeys structured into it. Like, um, what's the Dan Neharmann story circle? You're in your, you're in your world, you're okay with your world. You know, call to action, you go on the journey, you know. Whatever the story circle is, whatever, and they more or less Barbie hits everything in there perfectly.
Speaker 2:It hits everything. But also like, weirdly enough, like going back to your point about how, like referential and like the movie knows what it is Like, that is explained to her.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, she's like nope, she's like nope. And then you know weird Barbie's like you're gonna do this because the movie says you have to do this.
Speaker 2:She's like okay, fine, that's more or less what happens, like Kate McKinnon's, like what is it? The high heel and the and like the Birkenstock and she's like, you know, one is one leads to this and she's like the high heel and she's like no, no, no, no. You have to. You have to pick this one, like try again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we have to get the plot rolling, so unfortunately you're gonna have to take this one. Yeah, but just what a what a movie. The. You know, the musical bits are great.
Speaker 2:Oh, I mean, that doesn't need. Yeah, that's that. That goes without saying. You guys ever think about?
Speaker 1:dying. What Yo Ryan? He's so good, he's so good. Watch this, ken Um Simuliu, and Ryan Gosling's beef in this movie is top tier. Ken, ken, oh my Get your. You know we talked about Stilgar. Kingly bit, kingly. Benadir is also a bit Stilgar-ish to Ken, like he's always gasping his boy up all the time.
Speaker 2:Allen's there, the slow-mo beach fight at the end of the movie.
Speaker 1:The Ken Civil War. Who's the who? All right, besides. Besides Ryan Gosling and Emma Stone? I'm thinking about La La Land, as I do often Between between Margarabi. Besides Margarabi and Ryan Gosling, who's your favorite? Barbie and Ken?
Speaker 2:Um, I like, I mean I like Issa Rez, president Barbie.
Speaker 1:Dang it. You took mine, did I, you took mine. That's exactly what I was going to say.
Speaker 2:She's great, but tell mother. And then I think, kingly Benadir is, is man Simuliu's good though man? Uh, it's tough, my man, my man Jutigarba is also, oh he's good, he's also pretty good, just this movie.
Speaker 2:Just it sings, man, this movie sings like there's really no other way I can explain it, because you know, have you seen the Godfather? I'm not going to compare this movie to Oppenheimer because it's unfair, because they're two totally different movies, but like I feel like this movie had a lot tougher of a task than Oppenheimer did, in the sense that, in terms of like, I guess winning stuff and like being like a credible movie that people can take seriously.
Speaker 2:Yeah, whereas, like I feel like obviously this is Oppenheimer, is like no one's kind of like Magnum Opus, right, but at the same time, like we always knew, this movie was like within him, like it was coming, like he felt it felt like we were building to Oppenheimer, whereas, like this movie just kind of came out of nowhere and was like wait, is this like this movie's fun? And then you get to that point and you're like wait, is this movie?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean like the first beat where you feel it like where this movie can be truthfully special is. I think it's when she's sitting on the park bench and sees that old woman sitting next to her and she has like that one tear running down her face and I think for like one of the official Oscar not Oscar clips, one of the official, like big clips of the year, like supercuts. It was like her face on that scene and then it was killing Murphy as Oppenheimer. Oh wait, barbie's a real. This is real deal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that scene and she's like and this character I can't believe I'm talking about a Barbie movie like this but like this character has this like inner, this inner demon, like this inner struggle within her when she gets like it's crazy, how, not crazy, but like it's a testament to the movie that, like her and Ken get two totally different lessons, basically from the real world. Whereas like Ken's like we need everything to be like this and Barbie's like actually we kind of don't, like we can't, we don't need anything to be like this, but also like what she gets out of it is like we don't need the structure of this world, but like we need the humanity of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and she has to admit a little bit that you know she didn't see Ken as a person like that was. That's one of the big, big pieces. I am enough at the end of the day. What a picture. The sequence where he goes to get, where he steps into the world and it's just like all like this is good editing, like all the fun. Like I love that little bit where it's like that online portion where he just keeps seeing like sports war or um, greece, like it's, it's, it's hilarious.
Speaker 1:Why is his inspiration is still Sylvester Stallone specifically, and then it immediately cuts into the scene of you know her seeing that woman and then that single tier running and Margot Robbie continues just to be. How does Margot Robbie 34? Like dog, it's just, it's, it's awesome, how, how much. Like we talked about it last week of like this new coming eight, like maybe it's you know it is the movie star factor that's coming out, but maybe the point is everybody's going to stay in them, like these people that might have, you know, wanted to dip into this streaming service and do this, and you know, like Margot Robbie is going to probably just stay and like I don't think Ryan Gosling is going to go do some Netflix original like TV show. He did the Netflix original movie. That's the size of the point. But wait, did he? Was that him? I think it hammered. Wait, the one with the one with Chris Evans, not.
Speaker 2:Chris, that was him, that was him Right.
Speaker 1:Oh, the gray man, the gray man. Right, he was saying he was just a. Oh, chris Evans was having a ball in that movie. He was a. He was an unhinged guy.
Speaker 2:Do you want to be my bride wife or my long term long distance, low commitment casual girlfriend? Like didn't see what I mean about these these lines. His eye long Um will Ferrell's in this Yep, but not like he's not distractingly will Ferrell.
Speaker 1:But he also kind of is yeah, but like in a good way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because this is like. This is like the best version of will Ferrell, like it's the version of will Ferrell that I feel like has been missing for like a while, where he was, you know, just kind of not subdued but like he was, his will ferrellness was contained and I like that, that, that goof Cause and you know, shout out to Mattel to for like letting a lot of this kind of slide, a lot of the criticisms and all that stuff Like. So they obviously, you know, they trusted Greta Gerwig and Margot Robbie with this movie, when a lot of other studios that are being adapted would kind of just kind of strangle this thing. Oh my gosh, I there's.
Speaker 1:This is the exact example of kind of the opposite of what we talk about.
Speaker 1:Like you know, when you let the director cook for lack of a bit, you know you know it's a good example of this and it's just cause I looked at the book to my left Sandman's a great example of that, where you let the creator just kind of, you know, let them do what they need to do. They understand. They probably understand this thing better than a lot of people do, so I don't think studio insight is the thing that's going to. You know, reel them in to be more realistic. Like don't be realistic, you don't need that in a movie like this. I don't need, I don't need realism Like I go go off the rails but no one to be tender, no one to have some heart. That's what you need to understand, and this movie understands that, and then some.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's the best thing that you can say about it Is that it just understands. And I mean, I didn't even get to it yet, but this movie made a billion and a half, which is not nothing. Obviously. It's one of the, you know, highest grossing movies of all time. And you know, at the end of the day, like a movie like this, I kind of just hope they just let it be.
Speaker 1:Sure, sure. There doesn't need to be some HBO Max original president Barbie seat Like no, we don't need any of that, just let it. Let it live. You made your billion. You don't need to hit this IP again Because you're never going to.
Speaker 2:You're never going to recapture this. You just won't for a multitude of reasons. You're never going to recapture this Mostly because you know they use they use a lot of the tricks in this, that that that they could do, because I think at the end of the day I feel like, you know, greta and Margot especially felt, you know, a pressure.
Speaker 1:And you know it's not just the pressure. It's. It's the pressure of what can go wrong, but it's also the pressure of what you have like, not what you have to. I don't even like to say that, because you can do whatever you want, whatever type of movie you try to make, and you know, obviously I think that this is all the best case scenarios came true. But you know, it's their understanding of where, you know, women are, that truthfully made this movie incredible. It's just understanding that you can go far.
Speaker 1:You can put you can put your foot on the gas a bit and you can speed, or you can cruise, and you can cruise at the pace you need to go to. That's a great lesson as well, too. Like, you just need to go to go the pace you need to, and that's what this movie does. It understands that this movie needs to be for some people. This movie was for some people, you know, and it just Greta, you sicko, how dare you do that scene where she had all the clips from all those women sent in to the movie at the end of, you know, their mothers and their daughter, and I thought after some had a ending that made me want to punch a wall like this one was also tough. That was a tough and a great way, I mean.
Speaker 2:but yeah, man, it's a movie that just continued to surprise you as it ran and you're just like you walked out of it thinking this was, you know, not just better than it had any right to, but it was just good. It was just good on its own merit, like if this movie, if this movie didn't even come with all the caveats and all the baggage that it had come with and it had just come out like it still would have just been a revelation. And to transition to the other side of the coin, it was paired with this other thing. So let's talk about our guy Oppie, shall we? As they refer to him, as in the movie, the double-sided. The other side of the double-sided coin of Barbenheimer weekend was the unexpected part of it where I was like this fun summer Barbie movies coming out and also this biopic about the guy who helped facilitate the potential destruction of humanity Fun high school cheerleader, little sister, older brother, who's Jesse?
Speaker 2:Pikmin, this sounds fun.
Speaker 1:And Oppenheimer was fun. Oppenheimer was pretty fun. It was funnier than.
Speaker 2:I thought it was going to be, yeah, so Oppenheimer, obviously directed by Christopher Nolan, which obviously I feel like Nolan. Nolan is in that Spielberg realm where it's like you can lead a movie being directed by this person and people are like, yeah, and no one's there. Who's there these?
Speaker 1:days. Spielberg, spielberg. You know you're Rushmore and you're Rushmore and the Rushmore of the older guys to this generation is Scorsese Spielberg. Scorsese is there, yeah, Scorsese Spielberg, cameron and Tarantino those are the four that they make a movie. It's tough. I talked about me, my personal experience growing up. Zack Snyder Shut up.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you can put Paul Thomas Anderson there, but you get the point. There's these guys that are there, these men and women that, like Sophia Coppola and other like, there's people that make movies and like people like me, that are like in the film world but like, because of the director, I'm there. Then, you know, the newer age is like Chris Frenolin. Denis Villeneuve, for a fact now, is going to be there, where he's going to make whatever, and people are going to see it. Jordan Peele is there, for Jordan Peele makes something and people. I hate that. The reason that people are going to go see it, which is awesome for him on so many levels. I'm trying to think if there's anybody else that you know this director makes something and you're just, you're seated. I think that's. Those are the probably the big three at this point.
Speaker 1:James Gunn is getting there. Yeah, especially, I mean if he gets a superhero, you know he's going to get the DCU and that'll do it for you, depending on how the Superman movie goes.
Speaker 2:So I wasn't kidding about Zack Snyder, but it's a different reason.
Speaker 1:You know what you actually might be right, which just makes me kind of sick. And you, I think you are right that if Zack Snyder drops something, people will just go and people will watch it. Just because you're, I think you're right. I think you're right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just, it's, it's. Zack Snyder is like the antithesis of the point though. It's not like it gets the same place. It's weird, right that happens. But talking about Nolan and talking about Oppenheimer, as I said, this, this, this movie, just felt like, like I said, his magnum opus, like what he's really been working to in terms of like the total package of a thing. I mean, we talked since the inception of this podcast, weekly Oppenheimer casting, and it kept going. Who remembers that? Who?
Speaker 1:remembers that that was a great bit. So you know you want to talk about aura. Yeah, and we talked about it like the first. It wasn't even the first trailer was the first picture of killing Murphy the black and white one, yeah. And you know I'll go further, I'll get nerd, I'll get tech speckey film nerdy for a second.
Speaker 1:So they needed to make a new film print for this movie, a new black and white 65 millimeter film print that didn't exist before, and Kodak was just like sure. And you know Hoyt said talks about it. He's just like the people at Kodak are so good and he said it in his Oscar speech too. He's like you know, there's this brand new technology called celluloid that just came out that everybody seems to be wanting to use now and that helped us out. But they need to. They needed, they needed to make a brand new film stock for the movie in 2022, whenever they shot this movie 2020, yeah, 2022, 2021, whenever they shot this. And they did, they made a brand new stock of film for this thing. So they took the camera, they just took like they took a still of him. It was so great and so rendered beautifully. They made it the made it the poster of the movie to start in one of the biggest promotional pieces.
Speaker 1:And ever since that picture dropped, like you just kind of knew something was, something was coming. Yep, the winter was coming, a storm was coming. You know the casting start rolling in. You're like oof, oh boy, it's going. Ludwig Gordonson signs on to do the score for this movie. Obviously he comes off 10. You're like this guy's pretty good. He's doing a lot of Star Wars stuff, a lot of a lot of Chris Nolan. You know he's new Christopher Nolan's new guy, hoyt, it comes back. Obviously that's kind of synonymous with Chris.
Speaker 1:At this point, your personnel just starts to get better and better. They start adding these actors, these actors. But the through line of this whole thing was Killian Murphy was there. He was there this whole time and you knew, you knew something was possible for this. I'm going to save it for a second. But you knew, you knew this performance could have had the ability to be something great. The first trailer comes out for this movie and you're like the immediacy of like this has to be a day one, like this has to be. So you know you get in all these things. You get the trailer. It looks awesome and you know it didn't get lost in anything, but you know it looked awesome and I feel like it stayed there, where you're like this movie is going to be incredible, and it stayed there and you're like, all right, we already know it's like to your point, we know it's going to be good. This is a Christopher Nolan movie about Christopher Nolan joint, if you will.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, you can't do that. Don't do that to Spike Lee. Spike Lee is another one where he drops a movie. Yeah, spike Lee might have been the first one. Yeah, the Spike Lee joint was a big thing, you know. But I digress. But so I just want to this one specifically. I want to talk about the theater experience for this one. This is we talked about it with Dune. This is one where you tell your kids about the theater experience for this thing about that.
Speaker 2:Think about what you just said, like Dune, which is like the sci fi otherworldly masterpiece master. Well, you know, it has action. It's like all this crazy stuff is happening. Talking about that theater experience and then comparing it to like a three hour biopic, that's mostly talking, and they're arguably equally as magnetic. Yes, yes, exactly, exactly, that's the point.
Speaker 1:So you know there's outside looking in or to a film and inside looking out. So I talked about the outside looking in. Let's talk about the inside looking out. The movie starts and it's just that frame of him looking at the drops, hitting the, hitting the little puddle on the ground, and you know the score starts to go a bit. It's like that little hum that you know no one usually uses in that movie, that little hum. So keep, you know what that does. It keeps your attention of something's, something's like something wicked. This way, come like there's just something on the front that's coming with that little hum that he throws in his scores.
Speaker 1:So you know the movie starts in Killian Murphy and the first frame you see of his face I knew that, you know this, this performance was going to be an all time you just get that feeling Maybe it's he's got a good face. I guess you got a good face. It's young. It's young oppy. He wears the ad Oxford, I believe you know, doing his studying. So you already know something's. You know this.
Speaker 1:There's a point I'm going to make about all these things falling into place. But you know you get that first beat of the actor and you're like okay, oof, okay. And then you know it's not about. You know it's not about. Can you read music, robert? Can you hear? Can you hear? Can you hear the music? Yes, I can. And then Ludwig Gorsen's theme starts the best, maybe the best, one of the best pieces of score of all time to a movie plays and you're like uh, oh, I actively saw people in the theater, like engage, like, and you know that theater was packed. That was a packed theater Crazy it was. Like it was. There was that it looked like there was no seats left in that theater. I think I had to buy those tickets fairly early, if not like right when the ticket sales dropped this movie, I think had had one of the highest ticket, like pre-sicket ticket sales as well too.
Speaker 1:Yes, and I think dude beat that, which is even crazier. But you know how you structure a film and you know this is my point and, like you know how you build a film and what film is. This is what this movie is. This movie is what film can be, and I think that's why it's so poetic that he says, like we're 100 years in, I like look how much further. Like I mean 100 years in, look what you did like this. Truthfully, I'm sorry if this is hyperbolic or I'm not supposed to say it, because it came out last year.
Speaker 1:This is one of the best movies I have ever seen and that's just the fact of the matter, for me at least. Like it's everything that filmmaking is auditory, visual, thematic, wise, story wise. This is what film acting, wise, performance wise. It has everything in here. There's not one beat this movie is missing. It's, it's tense, it's the. You know the comedic timing is good. Zero would be nice. Yeah, what's your, what's your humor setting Tars? He said 75. Let's kick that down to 70.
Speaker 1:I still love Interstellar man, I still love that movie, but you know how to. You know they talk about it in these interviews. How do you physically represent? He talked about the difficulty of how to make this interesting. You know there's the question you ask and then you get this and you're like, well, was it ever a problem or were you just lying to us about having to make this interesting? Because you make it the.
Speaker 1:It's the visual representation of how to make Adam splitting and, you know, nuclear reactions going off, but doing it in such a way like I think what I was talking about they were finding, you know, these artists to like do different things and like they were just messing or not messing around, but they were just like they're just trying stuff out, like they were just you know, they were getting what golf balls or something and they spun them on something and like they threw, like the I think they threw the sparks at them and like just did all these crazy things and like by brain. You know, the normal brain can't, you probably can't, comprehend quantum physics. It's difficult, but like to make me feel like I can, that's what this movie does. It makes me feel interested in what people are doing, like, oh, he can't build that bomb, no, way, tell him think so the science.
Speaker 2:the science doesn't support it. I'm sitting there in a theater saying, um, you know, it's crazy about this, this movie. Spoiler alert the bomb goes off like halfway through it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the Trinity test is just you think you, would you think?
Speaker 2:you think, people thought and think that the the movie. That's where the movie culminates right.
Speaker 1:So and I want to talk about this too, because this movie tricked, yeah, this movie you. The movie is about the inception. It's not about the bomb itself, it's about the man who, who helped incept the bomb, and he and that's one of the major points about this movie too it's Oppenheimer is not himself. He's a genius, but he's really a cultivator of geniuses. That and he's. They established that so early in this movie and he said I'm not the smartest man at. These are the people I'm teaching. I'm not smarter than some of them, but they're going to help me get to where I can get all the people in the places they need.
Speaker 2:That's my facility is he's Nick Fury.
Speaker 1:Like that's my true superpower. I know who's good at what and I can get them in the audience. He calls it at least like you're neurotic, you're a woman, like I'm, like a charismatic guy and like you know who says it. I think you know Albert or somebody says it to him like that's, that's your greatest asset and it's your greatest downfall of like how boy is it? Yeah, how charismatic of a person you are. That's why these people, these people, look at you like a God, like if you thought Einstein, like an I'm.
Speaker 1:You know Tom Concey plays Einstein in this movie. You know he said they're going to give you your awards, they're going to pat you on the back, they're going to call you one of the greatest physicists of all time. But you know you just unleash something onto this world that should, we, should, we should not have this you are. You know this movie is based off American Prometheus. Like you are the Prometheus to these people. Like you should have never given them the ability to ever do this too, and you know that's where you need a performance that Killian Murphy gives him this. You know, when we talk about another actor can step in. I don't know that another actor can step in and have this feeling, this feel that I have when I look at his face, because you can tell this is true haunting of what you've done, yep. But you know he doesn't take ownership for the thing he does because he is who he is at some point.
Speaker 1:Strauss says it, yep, strauss says it, he said he never once apologized for Hiroshima and you know he, if you ask him to do it again, he absolutely would. Yeah, he would, because it made him the man that he was today. And is that true? And again, this is what I talked about. This is what theme is. Theme is a question. That's it's not. It's not a definitive statement, themes a question.
Speaker 1:So like that's one of the things I touch, like does he regret the bomb? Probably, but would he do it again, maybe, probably for the science, is it for the glory? Maybe? You know, he definitely felt the glory of the situation, but he also felt, felt the war, like this movie indirectly has some pretty solid, or I mean this movie pulled off after the Trinity test, one of the best scenes I've seen in some time, and that's funny because I'll probably say that a couple times for this movie, and that's, you know, the rally after the, after the Trinity test, and then after you find out that Hiroshima was, you know, was bombed, and you know you get through this rally scene and like the sound, the sound mixing is just otherworldly, like the sound drowns out and you know the lights flash, like this, the one of the things that happens is, like whenever he's in like a stressful, tense situation.
Speaker 1:We didn't talk about the courtroom proceedings. To both of them there's two. There's like two separate ones. But you know, the lights flash of like the first initial bomb release and like you're waiting, you're waiting, you're waiting, and then he's just like I wish I you know what he said, I just wish I had one more. I wish we had one more to use against the Germans. And everybody stands up with there's. You only hear the sound of them standing up. You know he's walking through the crowd. You see the one, you know man holding the dead woman. And then you see the woman incinerated by the nuclear, like he steps in, the one woman, like that's been evaporated by the bomb, like it's just, it's horrifying, like you release the thing you never even like Kenneth Bronner's character talks about it Like you should have. You know you've done what you've done. I hope you're ready to live with what you've done, because you change the world like you change the world. The world's never going to be the same place.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, that's what the end of the movie is too. The same exact, you know, stepping into the realm of the unknown.
Speaker 1:Yep, when I came to you with those calculations all those years ago, you know when I thought we would, you know I thought we would incinerate the world. You know I believe we, I believe we did.
Speaker 2:Man it's, it's a special, special performance, and then in a movie that's littered with them, I mean Robert Downey. We can talk about Robert Downey's unit now, obviously one and up, one himself, one himself in Oscar for best supporting role, as Louis Strauss painted as the antagonist. But is he?
Speaker 1:again, that's the. It's the complexities that lie within the simplicity.
Speaker 2:He's the antagonist in the sense that he is all for the clearly, all for the personal glory that masquerades as kind of like I'm doing it for the country kind of thing, which is really not, and I guess that's what that's. What makes him the antagonist of this is that he's he's really just trying to gun down Oppenheimer, like for his own personal gain. But man Downey is good.
Speaker 2:He's so powerful, but he's so methodical in the way too, I mean powerful right up until the very end, until he gets upended by by Ron Malick. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And a junior senator, I think from Massachusetts. Can we talk about it? This movie is a superhero movie. I don't know if you guys put two and two together to watch this movie. It's structured just like a pretty dang good superhero movie. Yeah, there's a suit up scene. There is a suit up scene. There's a. There's a rally, the troop scene. There's a. There's a third acts. You know the fallout from what she did in the new world that she stepped into from Captain America, the Winter Soldier, like this movie is just a pretty good superhero movie if we really want to get into it. He's larger than life, he's just straws. I mean, strauss is a good antagonist to have. You know, I thought about this too and you actually just helped extend that point I was thinking about to myself.
Speaker 1:I think often about movies that have great not great villains to heroes, but great not even protagonist to antagonist, but great antithesis to each other. Those are sometimes the best counterpoints. The best one in my opinion, and the most thought provoking one always for me, will be Daniel Plainview and Eli Sunday from there Will Be Blood because, face front, daniel Plainview's the hero and Eli Sunday is this religious villain. But you find out that Daniel Plainview's the villain of this whole thing, you know. Is he a villain? Is he? What kind of villain is that? Is that a villain? Obviously he's doing bad things. Eli Sunday is also doing bad things on top of that too. It's not that simple, but they're the best antithesis for each other, they're the best counterpoints and they all come due ahead and you know the head for them in that movie is the scene where you know I've abandoned my child. Like it's almost to the point where Eli breaks him to the point of believing this, like I believe that I did, like this boy that isn't even mine. I found this boy and I paraded him around as my son so I can get more clientele.
Speaker 1:Strauss does the same thing, and you know where it comes from. It comes from the dinner party, not the dinner party, but the dinner scene where this is after, and they're talking about Russia. Now, russia. Now you know Strauss is like. I just got the reports back, so I want you to tell me to my face that you just told me Russia isn't capable. Here's your proof Russia's capable. I have it in my hand. What are we telling he's like? And then, oppie's, like Russia's shouldn't be. Like there was no spy at Los Alamos. He said I have the spy, I have him here. Like this is you're telling me all these things? It's not adding to each other. So again for Strauss's point is he wrong for this? Like Oppenheimer was careless a bit, he was blinded by love a bit. All these things are true.
Speaker 2:Also bringing in, you know, people that you know were risks to bring in to the fold. But it's because he believed in the you know, his greater power of you know, when we have to do this thing, and even if I have to take a couple risks with a couple people, like if we want to beat the Germans, like it's kind of what I've got to do and you know, for good or for ill, like he was given that free reign.
Speaker 1:And then Because he was a God to them. Yeah, and he and you know the thing about the Messiah it's funny we talked about doing last week, but the thing about the Messiah is, you know you're gonna believe, and it's when you get the non-believers to start believing, and those and these military, once those military personnel, started to believe, because the belief for them was the results, they got what they wanted. They got the bomb. They got the bomb, they used the bomb, the war was over.
Speaker 1:So now, not only to these scientific geniuses, was Oppenheimer a God? Now to these people, you know, this was this deity that had just given them ultimate power, much like Prometheus did. So it was the perfect storm for him to be this absolute, this absolutist man. That was just, you know, this perfect beacon of, you know, power, the idea of what power can be. And Strauss talks about it. He's just like you know it's again, it's you know, it's Oppenheimer's fatal flaw again, essentially, and it's, you know, fatal flaw for character. Storytelling is usually deathly, but it's not his death, it's the death that he could have bought up out of the human race and that he still, to this day, could bring about the human race, if it may. If it's so, be it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I mean the death of you know, his metaphorical death in the sense that all that stuff that he gained because of his creation was also what led to his ultimate shaming and kind of undoing.
Speaker 1:And let's just talk about the, not the big, you know, not the objective. So this movie is shot in black and white and it's shot in color. The black and white, obviously, is the objective. That's the what happened. It's the courtroom, big courtroom proceedings, strauss's downfall, all those things. But it's also, you know, this is a bio pick to a man, so it's the subjective nature of what Oppenheimer was experiencing during these years. Man, you know, I love what. You know.
Speaker 1:Obviously they pulled the scene early and they you know his hat flies away and then it's just in the inside, walks right past Strauss, and Strauss, like, what did you say to him? He's like nothing, like nothing. He's just like. He told him like they're gonna give you your medals, they're gonna give you everything that you ever wanted, but look at what you did. Like this is what you're gonna have to live with for the rest of your, not for the rest of your life, for the rest of time. Like you've unleashed something, like like you know, I'm now a relic of a time passing. You know, the lion said in the movie he's like why didn't you get Einstein? He said Einstein's in his. You know, the hysteria of relativity is just not, it's not him. It's not needed anymore Like it's just that we don't.
Speaker 1:His science and his math is. It's over. That era is gone. He's cooked. It's like watching your favorite baseball, cause baseball is a very unforgiving sport. It's like watching your favorite baseball player until they're like mid to late thirties and you're like, wow, I remember watching you and like they're definitely on a different team, probably the Yankees by now, giving them the bare minimum. And you're like I remember when you won an MVP.
Speaker 2:Einstein, you're cooked pal. Man Well, behind every great man is a great greater woman, more often than not, and Emily Blunt in this movie does a lot of heavy lifting, as the you know. I mean Florence Pugh's in this for a bit, but Emily Blunt really does the, you know, the shouldering of the load as far as the female acting goes in this movie. And man, she, it's like. She, she like, picked her spot. Man, she's very like.
Speaker 1:That was maybe been one of the greatest things you've ever said on here. That's one of the best points you've ever made is picking your spots of one to attack, because her performance, without the scene that we're both thinking of, could have been very much a. She's the wife to this man and that's it. Like she's fun, she's fun. She's yeah, she's like Mostly subdued and it's not subdued. It's not fun in the way of like she's like physically or mentally or emotionally fun. Like she's an alcoholic, but she has to deal with the reality of who her husband is.
Speaker 1:Like her husband, what's the line that Josh Hartnett gives him? He's just like. You know it's when they're talking about the political realm that he's stepping into. He said you need to step back and understand, like, if you're going to be a known communist, they're not going to let you on the Manhattan Project and obviously, like whatever, like I don't care, let the people be who they need to be, let them do what they have to do. He said, you know I can give this for somebody that might be important, but you're actually real life important, like your world changing important. I need you to stop doing what you're doing. You know, obviously Emily Blunt to the performances you know it could have. It's still great. She's still great throughout the whole movie. But again, it could have played as just the wife of this person and that's it All you are. You get your one scene to do the thing and that's it. But that second half of the movie she starts cooking.
Speaker 1:Or the third act, the third act of the movie. So she gets into the personal courtroom proceedings and she, she's set like why won't you stand up for yourself? Like you're watching these men rip you apart, and after what you've done for the world. And she gets into that courtroom and you know the biggest thing, it's like the world security council, almost, or the American security council, the whole thing is trying to get his security clearance. If it is going to get cleared or not, and should he be charged for anything that happened at Los Alamos. And you know she says basically, like you know, go blank yourself, for lack of a better term.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she does it in such a way that so this whole time these, you know, like you said, the security council, basically they think like, oh, she's a drunk, like she's an easy mark, basically.
Speaker 1:And she's gonna portray him, cause we just talked about how he cheated on you multiple times, like we just talked about this.
Speaker 2:We're gonna interview her. She's gonna Give him up. Give him up. She's gonna give him up. She's gonna self destruct and check it off Like this is, this is the nail in the coffin, and then she, she uses that against them, essentially Like she kind of like opens up and you know she acts, like her memory is kind of you know, she's misremembering things, and then all of a sudden the switch flips and she just dissects these gentlemen and just you know it's a. I don't know how long the scene is entirely.
Speaker 2:Maybe it's a few minutes, there's a few minutes yeah, and it's that few minutes that dang near won her a best supporting Oscar.
Speaker 1:It's just I remember we walked out of the theater and like obviously we were talking about the movie. And then we were like was that one of the best scenes, that like acting scenes that we'd seen? Like she, like she was just cooking them. She like it's a great point. Like she act like she acted like she was about to give into whatever they wanted. And then she's just like, would she say, they were acting like how long ago were you a communist? They just like you know, four years before the war started? Oh, five years. Oh wait, it was six years. It had to have been seven years before. So it doesn't have anything to do with what we were talking about anyway. So she's incredible.
Speaker 2:It's amazing. It was so good, so good. It's yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1:You know what I quite like in this movie Alden Einreich.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:As Strauss is. You know what a heat check Liaison advice. We gotta save the heat check because there's a character heat checking here towards the end of this movie that helps a lot. But you know, performance wise, there's just everybody. Florence Pugh's great and you know it's gotta be said that Florence Pugh's what? 27? And she's being sought out after all these big time directors at this point in her career. So there's nobody short of being incredible in here. I mean, this movie might contain the greatest heat checks ever. Remy Malik steps into one of the. Remy Malik you think again, is gonna fold under the pressure and give Strauss what he needs, and he's a character that you've totally forget about, and that's the whole point.
Speaker 1:You forget about him. He's just in the background of. He's in the background, remember, and Oppenheimer himself, like, pushes him off to the side. This is when they go to the, to the nuclear, to the football field and the new gun and they're building it under the field, and you know he comes back and he says Strauss was. You know, strauss did everything that you, that you know against what he said he was doing. Like he. I remember everybody in the theater was like, oh shoot. Like he.
Speaker 2:And honestly, it's a performance like for Remy Malik, where people are like you like I talked about Michael, sarah and Barbie like y'all must have forgot, like Remy Malik. Same thing. Like there was once upon a time where like Remy Malik was him, was becoming him, as far as like an actor goes. Like people were like no, this guy is like potentially generational, and then he kind of just like I don't know People started hating him.
Speaker 1:I don't know for what Then, he became a Bond villain. No, it was what's it called. It was. It was Freddie Mercury.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's the fact that I think he won, that's why people were upset Then he became a Bond villain which, like maybe one of the most effective modern day Bond villains, of taking the classic Bond villain idea and putting it on and then he's just in this for a couple of minutes and then when he shows up at the end, just absolutely just again, much like Emily Blunt, like it does feel like a lot of these actors like, especially like the prolific ones that kind of got kind of lesser roles. It felt like no one. Like the pitch was like you're going to come in and you're like you got this relatively minor role, but I'm going to give you. I'm going to give you a moment.
Speaker 1:I know this is like I keep referencing this to sports, but like. This is like when, like a you know you need a relief picture to come in here and I'm talking a shutdown one, two, three in the world series type I need you for one inning just to come in here, do exactly what we need and get the, get the offense back out there. That's exactly what happened. Yeah, you know who? Who? Casey Affleck steps in this movie. Immediate magnetism as soon as he steps into this movie. And he's in this movie for so short. Who is he? He's, I forget who he is, but he's one of the intelligence guys, right.
Speaker 1:And I love the way Matt Damon explained Matt Damon's such a good exposition piece in this movie too, cause he pops these people up as like this is the person you need to worry about. This is the person that needs to do that, needs to help us do this thing. You're an idiot for thinking this person can help you, but he's there every step of the way to explain. And then Oppenheimer's on the other side they're just a Matt Damon and also in this movie is just again. It's exactly what he needed to be in this movie. And then some, obviously David Del Smockein's in this movie. And then Dane DeHaan on top.
Speaker 1:Dane DeHaan generational hater, maybe more than Shouse, actually. He like actually hated Oppenheimer like personally, like he's like the type of guy where, like he really like did he pee in my coffee this morning? Like he really can't stand that guy. Yeah. But, like I said, all these, all these performances are great. My childhood came back. Josh Pex in this movie, alex Wolfson in this movie, like all my Nickelodeon shows funny enough. Jack Quaid Jack Quaid's in this movie. But nobody feels like an out of place, weird person to be in this movie.
Speaker 2:Everybody feels like it's long Again. It's. No one feels out of place Like. No one has that. Like Ryan Gosling and remember the Titans like, like. What does that person?
Speaker 1:do in there. I don't think you're extending that point more than it is, but it is funny so.
Speaker 2:Like what does that person do in?
Speaker 1:there General.
Speaker 2:Groves, that's who he plays. Like. No one ever feels that way. It's crazy, like especially, and then you get into the scene with the president and a whole bunch of other famous people show up.
Speaker 1:Gary Oldman just pops out of the nowhere, plays Truman and one of the I don't know. You know one of those things. It's like it's not funny but it's hilarious. Like it's not funny but it was really fun. It's like a hilarious piece where Truman like pulls out the handkerchief. He's like you think I care about your feelings. I just won the war. You think I care what you feel.
Speaker 2:You have all these famous people and then, like they have a whole another scene where, like a whole bunch of other famous people.
Speaker 2:James Riemar shows up and like delivers one of the like most accidentally, hauntingly haunting lines in this entire movie, when he's like, no, you can't bomb this place because, like I honeymoon there, and you're like, that's the type of thing that works. Like this is the level of like inhumanity that we're talking about here is like these people were in this room debating on what you know city to destroy after the war was over.
Speaker 1:The war was over, they didn't need anything. Benny Safdie's in this movie too. Like as teller he's great.
Speaker 2:And they tell Oppenheimer too, like, hey, man, like, thank you for developing this, but we need See ya, well, see ya. And we need two of these, because one one is to win the war and two is like a show of force.
Speaker 1:Of course like do not, do not test us ever again. Tell us more like yeah.
Speaker 2:And Oppenheimer was like yeah, oppenheimer, oppenheimer, to his credit. A little bit was like I think we're losing the plot a little bit here. I'm like what my mission is Well.
Speaker 1:I mean he understood what happened after. And I forget somebody makes the point to him too where they tell him like you need to, you need to let them know to never, ever, ever use this ever again. Like this can never be. You need to convince the world counting. And you know Truman. And then you know I don't know the world history behind it as much as I I wish I did, but I care. You know how many presidents were, probably like I need as many as you can get. And again, this is the race aspect of it and it's, and it's, you know, allegorical, because it makes the movie have pace and it makes the real world have pace. Cause Russia, immediately. We need some, you know. Then you get all these other countries we need. We need some immediately. Get working on it immediately.
Speaker 2:Like it's the advent of the nuclear arms race. Like, as soon as it's the genie, it's a genie in the bottom moment. Like, once you get it out, like you can't put it back. Like that was always a feudal effort of like to be. Like tell Oppenheimer be. Like you got to tell them never to use this again. Like absolute power corrupts Absolutely. Like as soon as this power was unleashed on the world, like, yeah, you thought, you thought the powers that be were going to be. Like, yeah, you thought like people were going to be scared off by it. Like, no, they were just going to want it. Yeah, want it for themselves, and that's. You know where we find ourselves today, where, like, all these world superpowers are armed with these things but it's kind of like a handshake agreement that, like, no one will ever use them Until they have to.
Speaker 1:Until the day comes, yep, and this, and you know we could just talk about the final scene in this movie, one of the one of the single most impactful ending scenes in any movie I've seen. You know, and this is the true weight, this is the true weight of you know, it's the culmination of the performance to a T, it's the culmination of the story. It's a culmination of the world, world implications that this brings upon it too. This is an important movie to have now, especially after you know the last two, three years of you know the rumored World War three on the cusp. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like out of all the things that you think about for the real world, like this is what a biopic to use of the man that made it, and you know the weight. You know and who knows? This is the thing about biopic we don't know what's true, we don't know what's false. Obviously, american Prometheus talked about a lot of these things, but it's just the fact that this thing, whether you like it or not, whether it's wrong or right, it's here and now. It can never, it will never go away. It's always here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. And you know, I think the end of this movie like sells that really well. I think the end of the movie is horrifying. Yeah, and you just sit with it.
Speaker 1:You just sit with it. You're in the theater after it ends. You're like, oh, shoot. Like if somebody were to launch a nuclear weapon, like, yeah, the movie ends.
Speaker 2:Like Oppenheimer says, oppenheimer and Einstein have their exchange, and then it's just this shot of like the fire engulfing the world. And then the movie just ends and you're just sitting there like the guy with the eye sockets and his eye sockets are out and you're just like mm. You're like well, that was depressing, yeah. And you leave the theater just feeling just this weight, like weight. And then you know you finally snap out of it and can actually appreciate the movie for what it was. But like that first couple of minutes after the movie ends you're like woof, yeah, that's the point, man.
Speaker 1:That first couple of minutes is a grabber. It's a grabber in the way of like movie making, like this is really good movie making, and obviously from second one to second three, whatever in one, it's amazing movie making. But the first piece is immediately like filmmaking is great, acting is great. And then the last piece is like the thematic weight of what you just watched. It's like, oh God, like everything came together as this whole, this horrible, this beautiful, horrifying whole of this just absolutely monumental movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and, much like Barbie, don't think it needs a sequel.
Speaker 1:Until somebody builds a bigger bomb. I was going to say that the most memeable line out of this whole movie. I didn't think I was going to use it once you think somebody in the back of the room was like tell her, will you shut up about hydrogen man, god? And then Rush is like hydrogen JFK will return. Oh man, I didn't even talk about it that junior senator from Massachusetts.
Speaker 2:It was giving like it was giving Dark Knight Rises. You should use your real name, Robin, it's because he can't help himself.
Speaker 1:He can't help himself. This was a superhero movie, I'm telling you. He can't help himself.
Speaker 2:Junior senator from Massachusetts.
Speaker 1:you say you should use your real name, Kennedy Jack.
Speaker 2:It's Kennedy. The last shot is Kennedy from behind staring at the White House. A Kennedy biopic from Christopher Nolan Turn's Towered Next time, baby, what, what? Turn Towered completely JFK. That's what you're doing for us.
Speaker 1:You know how we should do the awards this week. We should just when we do it, we should just do both movies. We'll talk about the awards.
Speaker 2:Oh no.
Speaker 1:It's a great plan, don't you worry.
Speaker 2:This sounds like a nightmare.
Speaker 1:No, it's going to go, don't worry If I can find it.
Speaker 2:Also Oppenheimer made $958 million Weak Make a billion Make a billion, Coward.
Speaker 1:Nolan, imagine not making a billion dollars.
Speaker 2:Imagine yeah, yeah, I would be embarrassed of myself, take that Oppenheimer? Yeah, oppenheimer, not as marketable person as Barbie. Question mark.
Speaker 1:Some are saying Not a bad point.
Speaker 2:Some are saying, some are saying, many are saying this you ready, you ready, all right.
Speaker 1:Do we have to add another category? Each time we add a new category, I'll think of one on the way Best cinema moment in Barbie.
Speaker 2:Best cinema moment? Probably the conversation that she has with Ruth in the kitchen or whatever that was the office. Heaven, Whatever was going on there in that scene.
Speaker 1:I guess it's like the metaphysical place, like the world between worlds, I guess Between plastic and flesh, I don't know that one, cool, it's a good one.
Speaker 2:And then an Oppenheimer, emily Blunt, cookin, cookin. I like that, I like that bit, that's the stuff.
Speaker 1:I guess my conceit for best cinema moment for Barbie will be the idea of the grand nature, so it's like the party sequence, sure, oh yeah, it's just a really good start to the movie and it also brings the theme into the movie immediately. You guys ever think about dying? And they're just like, ok, it's good. Ok, oppenheimer, it's. The Trinity test is just absurd, it's just. And you want to talk pressure? There's the pressure, that's the whole.
Speaker 1:This is what the whole movie was leading up to. This is the thing. Like this is the market thing. Like you guys want to see the nuke go off for the first time and then it was like, ooh, I think it's just. And again you talk. Already you talk energy, you talk like the train that runs.
Speaker 1:It was the rain stops and I forget what character. And Oppenheimer is just like I've been in these deserts since I was a kid Like I know whenever the rain starts at this time, it's going to stop at this time. We're only going to have this time because we need this to happen. It's the top gun thing. It's just like this thing needs to happen by this time. And then, once you strap in, you can't get off. It's that drone shot from above, and then the dun dun dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun dun and you're like the Trinity test score piece starts playing. I'm like, uh-oh, the cinema's about to happen right now too. Best character that doesn't need to be in this movie. This is actually maybe the best week we could have done this.
Speaker 2:Oh man, best character that doesn't need to be in the movie. Hey, for Barbie that.
Speaker 1:Hmm, hmm, hmm hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, is it, oh man.
Speaker 2:Jesus Best character that doesn't need to be in the movie. Huh, what about, I don't know, one of the Barbies? I feel like we could have lost Lawyer Barbie, lawyer Barbie.
Speaker 1:She was fun. I'm going to go with pregnant Barbie because it's Emerald Fresnel who directed Saltburn and Prophecy Young Woman. So you know, referentially, I guess that's my favorite one. What about Oppenheimer?
Speaker 2:Someone that was treading dangerously close to like becoming distracting was when Jack Wade popped up.
Speaker 1:Sure, sure I can argue, just because I mean I grew up with it. But also Josh Peck Like that easily could have been a very just like and you could have probably gotten a bunch of it, but I'm so glad that it's Josh Peck. It paid off my childhood so well but he also was good.
Speaker 2:I think Jack Wade just shows up like in the one scene of him walking in Oxford.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that recruit. I was really close to picking that recruitment like the recruitment montage. What's up?
Speaker 2:Jack Wade.
Speaker 1:You're Jack Wade, from Dennis Wade, and.
Speaker 2:Meg Ryan, you're Jack Wade from the Hunger Games. You're.
Speaker 1:Jack Wade from from Stuff, you're Jack Wade from the Invasion of Superman. For, yeah, I don't mind, did I pick my Oppenheimer one, the person, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Josh, yeah, josh.
Speaker 1:Peck Best actor to join the franchise, the franchise. For Barbie Kingsley Ben Adir yeah yeah, I'm actually going to agree with that. I'm actually not even going to contest that for anything.
Speaker 2:And for the Oppenheimer franchise I'll take that back.
Speaker 1:I'll take that back. Alexandra Ship quite liked in that movie. She was one of the fun Barbies.
Speaker 2:And for the franchise that is Oppenheimer In the sequel, I'm going to say Gary Oldman, gary.
Speaker 1:That's Truman, the definition of boo-hoo. Truman will return. Truman will return, technically, the nuclear bomb. I'm going to leave it at that. The nuclear bomb itself.
Speaker 2:I'm done.
Speaker 1:That's brilliant I love that Best car bit. I'm never leaving this.
Speaker 2:Barbies is pretty easy, yeah, barbies, when they're traveling between the pursuit of the realms, yeah between realms.
Speaker 1:They had a car chase in Barbie too. Yeah, what's Oppenheimer's best car bit?
Speaker 2:That's not even a car. There's a car bit.
Speaker 1:There's the bit where Strauss is in the car and he's driving and then the one motorcycle is behind them going and Strauss is like it's going all over there. That's a car bit.
Speaker 2:I guess that counts. Best family member in Barbie Ariana Greenblatt's character Sure, sure Sasha.
Speaker 1:I'm going to double down on that point in the dad, because he's in it for one scene and it says see safe way to shout out the one Disney Channel movie that America Frer got to kick it up and then also that works because it's his one line in the movie.
Speaker 2:Best family member in Oppenheimer, oppenheimer's brother.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oppenheimer's brother, because he fought so hard to get him in there and he might have been a spy. He's a communist, I said suspected. Matt Damon is great in that movie, he is. Who's my favorite family member from there? Casey Affleck. Yeah, let's look at it differently. Let's find like I'm going to use Jack Quaid for that one if we're talking real world family member. You're Jack Quaid from Dennis Quaid Favorite planet, just kidding. Barbie Land, barbie Land sure, ken Land, for me, favorite side mission.
Speaker 2:Ken trying to get a job in the real world. That's just. It's incredible that the whole thing is awesome Favorite side mission in Oppenheimer man, matt Damon's kind of rising through the ranks of the US Army by way of the Los Alamos project. It's a solid side bit, one who seems to have reaped the most benefit with fewer of the repercussions out of anybody.
Speaker 1:My favorite side bit in Barbie is probably the Mattel. Like the Mattel building is like a good sub piece of the movie where it's just shenanigans and it's funny because obviously it's supposed to be like a hyper realization. But I promise you there's probably some board meetings that are much more akin to that than you would think. Yeah, in Hollywood, how do you think we got Madam Webb? But my favorite side bit in Oppenheimer, my side mission Communism or like the denouncing of communism. Yeah, yeah, the denouncing of communism will be my best side bit in that movie. There you go. And Oppenheimer like well, yeah, my girlfriend loves Don't you have a wife? My girlfriend loves communism.
Speaker 2:My wife subsequently also loves communism.
Speaker 1:Loved communism. Watch it now. Best side character. There we go. Now we can start cooking.
Speaker 2:I already spoiled this before, but Michael Sarah's character in Barbie is amazing. And then in Oppenheimer I'm going to go with I like your Alden Einreich.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's just again understanding the assignment, but he takes it himself.
Speaker 2:He's like wait, are you the bad guy, strauss? That I work for Strauss is like absolutely not, yeah.
Speaker 1:Do you know he never once regretted a Roche remote?
Speaker 2:What are you yelling at me for?
Speaker 1:The other guy's looking outside the window. He's like, don't press, he's outside the junior senator from Massachusetts. I can you relax a little bit? My favorite side character from Barbie is probably going to be what's his name From? Chowoo-doo-doo-oo-doo-doo? Yeah, I love him quite a bit and anything he does Sex education in Barbie he's always great. And then for Oppenheimer it's going to be Casey Affleck. That was the first time that it happened in the movie, where, oh, I'm going to take everything I just said. I actually apologize and I'm going to go to Bernard from the Santa Clause.
Speaker 1:That's my favorite side character in Oppenheimer. He's a couple. Yeah, you know why? Because he tells him he's probably one of the first people to tell him about himself and tell him you need to be you Like. This is the only way this is going to work. You need to be J Robert Oppenheimer. You don't need to be a conduit for them or a placeholder for this. You need to be you. Simba, remember who you are. He does have big, wise, sage, character, energy for lack of a better term Best stance, just kidding, best boss fight. Is it the Allen scene in Barbie?
Speaker 2:It's a good boss fight.
Speaker 1:Allen is going crazy. Oh, I'm going to take the I'm just Ken Absolute return of the king level battle that you had. Come on, man.
Speaker 2:Oppenheimer v the American Security Council.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:In a verbal battle of wits.
Speaker 1:That Oppenheimer loses. Oppenheimer did lose, but Kitty Oppenheimer didn't lose. She put it. Look, she went down swinging my best boss fight for Oppenheimer I'm probably going to take. Is it Oppenheimer getting his butt whooped by anti-evangelism for lack of a better term Like? Is it like him, his understanding of the God complexes and all that's cracked up to be? Is it him against himself as the greatest boss?
Speaker 2:part in that movie. Oh, I love that.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm sticking with Best send off.
Speaker 2:Uh, I mean, Barbie herself gets a pretty sweet send-off. I'm also gonna take that. That's great. That's the end of that movie. Yep, Um, best send-off for Oppenheimer Einstein, Einstein, Einstein gets a pretty good send-off. Yeah, he does, he just walks away. I love Einstein's like weird ethereal presence.
Speaker 1:And you know what's crazy Sometimes you gotta, you know, overtly extend for a while, Like I just feel like that probably was also Einstein in real life.
Speaker 2:Part of me felt like. Part of me felt like it was like. I felt like in a lesser movie that was like kind of like fantastical in nature. It wouldn't have surprised me if, like they did like the sixth sense thing with Einstein, like Einstein was dead the whole time.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because he just showed up at various points of Oppenheimer and he would just like sometimes it would just be like he would just have that like that sad, like Tom Conti face, that he would just like look at Oppenheimer and then Oppenheimer would turn and he would look back and Einstein would be gone. You know, like what's going on here with Einstein.
Speaker 1:Who's got the best send off in Barbie? Yeah, I mean I'd better agree it's that the Barbie send off is great. Oppenheimer's best send off More of his peace character.
Speaker 2:Just kidding, come on, wow, that's tough.
Speaker 1:The idea of nuclear war is the best send off.
Speaker 2:This guy's getting philosophical on us.
Speaker 1:That's my point, saddest moment, oh God.
Speaker 2:So Barbie, I guess you know when I felt sad in Barbie, when, when, when Sasha chewed her out in the cafeteria, I was like woof you know it's fun. That scene.
Speaker 1:It's also obviously I knew from the second that Margar Robbie was on screen, but it was Margar Robbie's like, like pronouncing of herself in public as Barbie, where she just like I'm Barbie and I was like, oh shoot, you are Barbie, Like you actually are, I guess. For me, I mean, the sequence where Greta pulled all the, all the submissions of all the mothers and daughters together is just woof.
Speaker 2:Um saddest moment in Oppenheimer, when he didn't, when he didn't get his security clearance renewed. No, I mean, it's the. It's just the intricate, like the intrinsic horror of after the bomb falls, like this, just this, this horrific melancholy, even though it's like a celebratory moment, like we know, like as the viewer, like that, this, and that's why I never quite understood the criticism of like they should have shown the bomb falling, like no, you get it, you get it.
Speaker 1:You got it. That's why that's the, that was a subjective piece. The bomb falling, like yeah, it was this big Harav, him doing it. And then he immediately understood, like you know, and obviously one of the most famous lines is you know, some people laugh, some people cry, but I've known, I've become death destroyer of worlds Like where are you going to put that line? Where's it going to go? Because it's going to be in here. Is he himself going to say it? And the decision to have the record, the actual audio recording, after the bomb drops, is the immediate understanding that he knows what he just did just could have just ended the human race. So, and now he has to live with that to the end of his days, yeah, so, yeah, that's a good. Saddest moment, I guess that's a good. Now we're into the, now we're into the main ones. Best relationship.
Speaker 2:I'm going to say America for an, ariana Greenblatt for Barbie is the best. It's definitely the healthiest relationship. All these other ones are nightmare. So, yeah, that would be mine. I like, I like the come around to at the end. Like you know, we talk about this all the time, like you know, always, always, when that one, when the one character makes the turn from being like kind of like an unlikable brat to kind of like coming around on the point, looking at you and you and a joke dial destiny.
Speaker 2:So I like their dynamic is good. Nice to see America for our to like in, like the motherly role after like I feel like I spent my whole life like in these, like teen, like she's always like the brat like the bride and daughter grows up to an ugly buddy.
Speaker 1:She's like the sisterly, like you know. Yeah, coming of age ish. Now it's like you get to be the mom this time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're doing incredible. Yeah, Oppenheimer, Oppenheimer and his wife.
Speaker 1:Ironically you want to talk about a date like a I'm with you to the end? Yeah, even tell her who you know was Oppenheimer. You know, friend is a loose term to use.
Speaker 2:But I did almost say groves and Oppenheimer, though Not groves.
Speaker 1:Not groves. What was his name? Yeah, groves. Yeah, matt Damon. Oh yeah, matt Damon was gross, my bad, but that's. I hate you because I was going to use that.
Speaker 2:I think I'm still using Oppenheimer and his wife, yeah.
Speaker 1:But no, oppenheimer and Groves are a perfect counter. They're the perfect. You know the perfect. You know movie trope like these two guys that shouldn't work together, that respect each other at the end of the day, get into it a couple of times, they punch for a bit, then they're mixed, that's all they're. Yeah. And you know even Groves. You know Groves has to fall in a sort of bit. You know when he goes to the courtroom proceedings. But you know also Groves understands.
Speaker 1:Like look what you gave us. Like you did get me promoted. You did do all these things for me and like I did. You know I might not have liked you, but I did respect you. I respect the heck out of you know what you were able to cultivate. Like I don't even understand how you were able to do any of these things or get all these people on board with what you did. Barbie, I mean, it's tough, not to say America for era and Ariana Greenblatt. It's just it's, it's. It's super difficult not to say it. Do you want me to get philosophical again? I guess for Barbie is it like the, the, the patriarchy to you know? You know, you know what the world could be if it didn't exist.
Speaker 2:Oh man, it's good stuff, I'm not missing.
Speaker 1:Unfortunately Um most underrated character.
Speaker 2:Uh and Barbie, I'm going to say, I'm going to say Issa Reyes character president Barbie she was so underrated Official.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's so fun. I think that character is a little undercooked, not not in like an egregious way, but like I don't know she was, she was good. She was great every time she was on screen and I liked, I liked the, I like her return, like her comeback at the end. It was good stuff. Oppenheimer Um, a sunderrated huh. Um. I'm going to say I'm going to say what you said before about David Krumholtz's character. I think I'm going to go with him for that.
Speaker 1:It's good, it's good. Um. For Barbie, the most underrated character is this is a tough, is it? Um, what's my man from sex education who was, you know, one of the interns there? I quite, I quite like this character, sure, yeah, and just being just being around and involved with whatever they just you know who my most underrated characters are? The whole sex education cast. That was just weirdly in Barbie at the same time. Sure, so the three of them together were just those are my most underrated characters for Barbie. For Oppenheimer is it Einstein? That's a good pick. Just being like a, like a past as prime, like how dare you Past? What do you want me to say? Theorical activity, mid. What do you want me to say? Most heroic moment. We're going to get real, real close to some stuff when talking about Oppenheimer.
Speaker 2:Most heroic moment in Barbie is probably the speech. The America for our speech, I would say, because that's kind of what galvanizes everybody, including the Barbies. So I would say that most heroic moment in Oppenheimer Right Careful man, you got to be real careful here Is it Oppenheimer's commitment to the bit that he didn't, that he was sure that there were no spies at Los Alamos?
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was standing on. It was airtight at Los Alamos. I said you guys were going to parties every weekend at Los Alamos.
Speaker 2:You were sending guys to Missouri, Germany. You were running a loose ship there. Partner he was. I think his commitment to his boys is very heroic, even if his boys didn't return the favor, Sure.
Speaker 1:I guess, for so that's most heroic bit in Barbie Is it Ken understanding that he is enough. It's really heroic of oneself to understand that you are enough of a person when he throws the jacket away.
Speaker 2:that jacket?
Speaker 1:was cool. Shout out to the Vestor Salon. Oppenheimer's most heroic moment I mean on paper heroic moment is the you know that recruitment montage is fine cinema right there, that's some fine cinema, it is just, it's momentous, it's just it's got. It's got kinetic energy. Kinetic energy, if I may, it's good stuff. Comenche Best bit.
Speaker 2:Um man in Barbie, the best bit Jesus. Um man, it's just, it's the Ken rivalry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the Ken. I agree with that immediately. The Ken beef is just Ken Ken.
Speaker 2:What? Who are you texting? The best bit in Oppenheimer, Um, the best bit in Oppenheimer? Oh boy, Um man, the best bit in Oppenheimer? Huh, oh, I know what mine is. I think mine is. Is is what you were saying earlier about Matt Damon's character. This is his commitment to exposition, Mm-hmm, when he's like all right. Now that the nerds have spoken, let me just say what say, what's happened here, so everyone else can understand it.
Speaker 1:So I think that's mine. You know what the best bit in Oppenheimer is? I told you to stop calling, but you didn't. But you answered Stop bringing me flowers. Yeah, You're not bringing me flowers.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Guess one time he didn't bring her flowers, she died. Come on, man, barbie's best bit. The thing with the, with the Mattel crew, is just they're very British and they're very. Wasn't there a bit in there? Wasn't there like a thing they kept going to the well on.
Speaker 2:Yes, with them. Yeah, I can't remember exactly what it was.
Speaker 1:There's something that kept going to the well about, and I can't remember what it is, but it was always good stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Um best battle, the beach battle, Yep Beach battle, for Mom just can yeah from Barbie the Bible's. Any big battle in any movie. The Avengers Endgame battle not pales in comparison to that.
Speaker 2:Um, best battle on Oppenheimer is probably the Strauss Strauss of the Oppenheimer Shadow War going on throughout the movie. Um, it's the most you know engaging bit of legal, legal stuff you can put on a screen.
Speaker 1:I think so they do the thing two hours into a movie and you're like, ooh, what a movie. And you're like, oh shoot, the promotion said there's still an hour left in this movie. Yeah, what's left? The maybe the most magnetic piece of the movie itself, maybe the most thrilling piece of the movie, is the third act. Yeah, um, yeah. I'm just going to agree with both of those Uh favorite cameo. This is great.
Speaker 2:Uh, john Cena in Barbie for sure was tremendous. It was a revelation that he just shows up and he's just there. Best cameo in Oppenheimer. Is it the? Is it? Oh man, I don't know. Is it? Is it Hap Lawrence? Or is it Linda Bates Johnson?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's uh, you're wrong, but that's a good one, You're wrong. I'll just start with my Oppenheimer one for cameo. It's easily.
Speaker 2:Gary Oldman is Truman, like there's actually no, I didn't know that counted. I wanted to say that 100% of cameo that came out of nowhere You're, president Truman, from history Like that is, I know you.
Speaker 1:Just, he cooked Oppenheimer too. He cooked them Oppenheimer, said, you know I, I do think we should reconsider these bombs and what we're doing. They said boohoo, I won the war. You didn't win anything. Thanks, you can get out of my office, dummy. I know he left the room and he looked at it. He was crazy about the exact wording in the script. I know he looked at. He looked at his like assistant. He's just like get a load of this guy. I thought he was Oppenheimer that made the bomb. What a dork, what a dork. What a loser. Um Barbie best cameo Ruth, yep, yep, yep. Good stuff Best set.
Speaker 2:Uh, barbie, the little, the neighborhood and Barbie where her house is, is, is is magnificent Um.
Speaker 1:I loved it.
Speaker 2:And then I loved. I loved it when they retooled it for the Ken neighborhood Also. Um, they put the little swinging doors on it. That was pretty good.
Speaker 1:Um, best set in Oppenheimer, probably the Los Alamos base itself Um for Barbie the best set, uh, just the, the, you know the other realm, where the land of creation that she was in, just the colors. They were messing with that huge white diffusion panels that they were having around on the, however, they were messing with the colors. I thought that was pretty awesome. Um, oppenheimer's best set itself, I quite. You know it's something that's a little bit more subtle, but I guess I have to, you know, I mean, he was at Cambridge, right, he was. Now. He's at Cambridge, right. I quite like Cambridge. I don't know if they actually shot at Cambridge. I don't think they did no.
Speaker 2:I don't think so. I think they were somewhere in.
Speaker 1:America. I'm pretty sure, um, that was pretty subtle but pretty good. Um, it's tough for me not to say Los Alamos, like the recreation of that was incredible, and then the courtroom itself. But like you know, you can probably put together a courtroom pretty easily. So I mean, you know I was trying to be pretentious with the other one, I did like the courtroom too. Yeah, I mean, I mean both movies look great, so you know. But I'll I'll just say Los Alamos, just the. The whole inception and construction is really well done. Um, best one V one.
Speaker 2:Uh, probably probably Ken versus Ken, ken versus Ken, ryan Gossin, ken versus Simuli Ken Just throughout the movie, and then, uh, kind of retreading territory about Oppenheimer and Strauss. Um, and Oppenheimer is obviously peak one V one.
Speaker 1:Um, that's one V one in Barbie Is is. Is it the? Is it patriarchy versus women? This is the best. One V one. That's cool. That's a good one. That's one V one in Oppenheimer. Is it the world versus the nuclear weapon?
Speaker 2:No cause. The world's not really fighting the nuclear weapon, are they we're fighting?
Speaker 1:against the people that can relate. Is it? Is it power? Is it power versus? Is it power versus absolutism? Is that? Is that the best one? V one? That's a good one. It's like the concept of what power could do, like power itself that counts. Is it power versus man? Yeah, there, it is Best. Heat check performance. Oh boy, let's start with Oppenheimer cause. That's where this truthfully lies.
Speaker 2:Uh for me. Rami Malek just puts up an all-timer, evan Lee Bohn comes close and I I got it, but I think she's in it for us. The rest of the movie has smidged too long.
Speaker 1:I'm also I'm. I'm gonna have to go with Dane DeHaan cause, like skit bales, level hater. Like hates that guy, he hates him. David Dolsmachian also hates him too. There's a lot of guys that hate Oppenheimer in this movie. Um.
Speaker 2:Barbie, barbie, best heat check. Huh, um man, that's tough, um, it's hard. I mean, is it Will Ferrell?
Speaker 1:He's good, he's, he's, he's real good. I was going to keep this one simple and like it's a full. It's like it's like when you start in the first quarter, you just hit like five, six, seven shots and it's just Ryan Gosling, I think, like I'm just going to keep this very simple, interesting, interesting pick. This is going to be a tough one. It would be batting me out.
Speaker 2:Oh god, man, I'm Barbie. That is tough Trying to think back of like what made me laugh, just like incredibly hard. It's probably just I just love Gosling whenever he's anytime. Any real-world sequence with Gosling that that delivery of when he's like I'd like a high-paying job with Influence and no qualifications leads like like that is that. I think that line maybe made me laugh harder than anything else in the movie. Just because of the way he delivers that line, I'm just like, oh my god, that's amazing. And then an Oppenheimer Hmm, funniest moment in Oppenheimer, huh.
Speaker 1:Movies, low key kind of funny. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2:It's the I mean. For me it's the the bit when he's like, well, there's a you know a slim chance that we can ignite the atmosphere, destroy the world, and he's like near zero, he's like it. You know, what do you want from more, from a mere mere theory alone? Zero, zero would be nice.
Speaker 1:So I'm gonna go with that funny moment in In Barbie Sasha did cook her. That was funny. Sasha's cuz, sasha's gonna roast you. You don't want to go over there. I'm just gonna put Phil and blank Ryan Gosling for my funniest moment. Yeah, he's just ridiculously funny in that movie.
Speaker 1:Oppenheimer's funniest moment I don't know why that little like you know, he said I left the party years ago. He said I said suspected, like you didn't say you were, yeah, communist. That's quite funny. What is Oppenheimer's funniest moment? I do, I do quite like. I'm trying to think of it. I, I is.
Speaker 1:It is it tellers just like open the effing gate. He's just trying to stop off from Los Alamos. It's not. It's not like intrinsically funny, but it's just one of those bits where it's just like I love how done, like some of these people are, and then how in some of these people are, it's kind of good. I don't know this like this movie. This movie's got some bits. Man, this movie does have, does have a couple bits in there too. I do.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna go with the conversation that he had, like that whole conversation, where he's just like has anybody ever said anything good about me? He's just like already said, he said Lou, he said told me he brought a. Tolman said that you know you were you, you had integrity and you know. But tolman also strikes me as the guy that knows more about science than he does about people. I'm like told was not even here to defend himself against this. You can't cook them like this Funny as well with best exposition dump, and I'm just gonna jump the gun and just say Matt Damon, yeah, exposition dump, yeah. And then Kate McKinnon for best exposition dump in Barbie, and I'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 2:I think you're right. I think you're right about that move on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that source material callback.
Speaker 2:The box, the Barbie box that will ferrell tries to get her into.
Speaker 1:I love the idea of weird Barbie. I think is my favorite one, because my sister definitely had a weird Barbie as well. Barbie.
Speaker 2:Stereotip. I like this. She's just stereotypical Barbie. Mm-hmm. It's hilarious. Source material callback, and often I'm her Kennedy.
Speaker 1:Einstein. Einstein yeah, if you want to talk callback said Einstein's a good one. Kennedy's also a good one, though it's a junior senator from that. That's such a good line, it's such a it's such a line that you know that that line is that lines the Benny he said. He said poison trans mutation is something advanced Benny, just where it can do. Shut up Paul Trady. Why'd you name Paul? Besides the point best NPC, the best category we've ever come up with.
Speaker 2:Oh man, barbie Barbie's littered with NPCs.
Speaker 1:There's gotta be some oh, the best NPC was the guy. Then he's just like you know, you guys are doing the patriarch. He's like we're doing the patriarch. You're right, you don't, don't you worry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that guy is tremendous. Shout out that guy. Who's Oppenheimer's best?
Speaker 1:NPC? I don't know.
Speaker 2:They're all so famous.
Speaker 1:They are all really famous, it's funny.
Speaker 2:Look, I know he's, look, I get it, he's an actor and like we know him. But James Riemar's character he's off big NPC energy, even though I get I know he's James Riemar and that's kind of like defies the spirit of the award. But he just comes in and he's just like you can't bomb that town because I vacation there, like yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, I quite like Loman, it's as an NPC, because he's like his first student. But then, loman, it's become so important to being one of the first spies at a Los Alamos that gave up information. I don't know why. He's just like, yeah, he's like it's the fact that he's such a catalyst to this whole thing of, like the courtroom proceedings that I'm thinking about Is the best NPC, the idea of the hydrogen bomb. I'm, I'm using that one best action sequence Alan yeah, alan was throwing hands. That was crazy. I couldn't believe, just came out of nowhere.
Speaker 2:It just invoked like because it was Michael Sarah's, like it invoked like the goofy, like Scott Pilgrim fight scenes, sure sure, sure, sure sure. I've been having didn't have a fight scene you sure kitty was cooking.
Speaker 1:That was a verbal fight, for sure. That's what exactly? The one I'm gonna use for the best one right. Best fight scene in Barbie. I'm gonna have to go. I like the chase sequence quite a bit, where she's escaping Mattel, can't capture it and then escapes Mattel. That's fun best song.
Speaker 2:Oh man, it's, it's, the it's. I'm just Ken. Mm-hmm, I mean, I mean I get the Billy Eilish won, won the Oscar. But Objectively, I'm just Ken is just better. Subjectively, no objective. I Put my foot down. Oppenheimer. Did Oppenheimer use music? The actual?
Speaker 1:music. I don't think there is a. Well, we'll leave that one for.
Speaker 2:NA.
Speaker 1:NA, nolan, you're cooked All right. Now we can do best score moment for For Oppenheimer.
Speaker 2:It's the end then bit with Einstein and Oppenheimer. That is just burned into my brain Like that is just haunting.
Speaker 1:Can I do a three-way tie for Oppenheimer Cuz? This scores? Never mind, never mind, can you hear the music is probably gonna be one of. It's gonna be like how they play the time from inception, like and like that's just one of the most famous pieces of score of the modern age. At this point, like I felt like every tiktok I was scrolling through is what happens if the flash movie had Ken you? Like it was just every Everything that I heard was can you hear the music? Yeah, it's just I, christopher Nolan, try, like I just need a score for this movie. Nothing, nothing crazy. You did good on tenon. He's just like what, if I give you one of the greatest scores of the 2020s, how about that? And then for Barbie.
Speaker 2:It's probably that, like that beginning bit that you were talking about, like just like that fun, like cheery that.
Speaker 1:Like that I love. So I'll take that. And I'll go further. I'll take the Mattel influence on top of that for all the corporate. Yeah, it's really good because like more, more like official and stuff. Yeah, that's always good Favorite line.
Speaker 2:Oh man, for Barbie. I mean, I'm sure, I'm sure it's part of the monologue Is this probably the correct answer? But I mean, why didn't Barbie tell me about the patriarchy? It's pretty good. I'm not adventure Barbie, I'm stereotypical Barbie. Like I said, it's just another fun. Another fun one.
Speaker 1:Oh, you're missing the whole. The whole best line of the actual movie is you know, I Just wish I was beautiful.
Speaker 2:Note from the filmmakers that this Necessarily shouldn't apply to Marco Robbie is probably one of the best lines and I, like I've ever heard, and then I mean I mean Subjectively, it's high Barbie, hi, ken Just is just, you know, just entered the, entered the zeitgeist, it's good. It's the line that kitty says to him when I think it's after his girlfriend dies and she goes you don't get to commit the sin and then ask all of us to feel sorry for you when there are consequences. Because that line like transcends the moment that she's talking about. That's kind of just like Oppenheimer's life, especially after the bomb falls, like you know, he's kind of like, why are they taking away my security clearance? Like, pal, you kind of did this to yourself, buddy, um. So I just feel like that line kind of transcends the film and takes it over, even though she's talking about this very personal moment. But like that line is really Ultimately Oppenheimer's career, mm-hmm, is you don't? You don't get to do this thing and then feel sorry about it. You've done the thing like it happened.
Speaker 1:Do you want my like bar bar one or do you want my like actual best line from Oppenheimer? Both? The bar bar one is the one that Strauss says when he's like amateurs, seek the sun, get eaten. Power stays in the shadow. That's the one. You just been on a wall somewhere that that goes crazy. The actual best, one of the best lines is you know, they won't fear it until they understand it and they won't understand it until they've Used it like that's just. It's just again, accentuating it, the exact, the exact point. Barbie's best line, oh, barbie's best line is you know you're beautiful. I know it like, I know it. Simple, short, effective. Sometimes those are the best lines. Mm-hmm, best fight, I think we did. They did that, we did that Best world building or lore moment.
Speaker 2:Barbie becoming a real a real person.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, I need to see my gynecologist. Good stuff.
Speaker 2:And then Oppenheimer is the, the advent of the nuclear bomb. I would say we weak.
Speaker 1:The best world building moment in Oppenheimer is the inception of John F Kennedy as a credible, as a credible politician SQL bait, or is it? Oh, no, no, no, what am I saying? It's until somebody builds a bigger bomb. And then they did, and then the world did. Thanks, teller, you jerk. And then is it the hydrogen bomb again for the best Tellers just like guys, if we use hydrogen and everybody's like shut up, teller.
Speaker 1:You're not doing your work. He's like but hydrogen, you guys aren't listening to me. Barbie, is it the best world-building moment, lore, mm-hmm. Is it the idea of, like you know, these Barbies exist in this, like other dimension which also could be possible, which is not? Take minute black Favorite shot? Is this more difficult for Barbie than it is for for Oppenheimer?
Speaker 2:Um, for Barbie, I think the shot that kind of encapsulates the entire movie is in the beginning, at the party, and it's just Marvel Robbie just front and center, like while she's like mid performance, and you're just like, yep, this is the movie I'm in. I'm hooked. I'm hooked Because that, that, that scene and that shot, just encapsulates the entire movie for me. And then Oppenheimer it's probably I think it's just the one, I mean the one that everyone's seen is him walking down the hallway with, like, his hat down and he's got the cigar in his mouth. You're up and I'm from Oppenheimer. Yeah, like, yeah, yeah. So that one for me, um for.
Speaker 1:For Barbie it's that close on her face when she gets into the real world before she says my favorite line from that movie, just that whole section of the movies, really. It's when that movie starts to become oh shoot, this movie has me feeling something like yeah, I'm actually. I'm actually getting genuine feeling of this. For Oppenheimer it's when he's looking out of that window and it's like the call to action for the hero in the Dan Harmon Story circle, like it's. It's just, it's so good. The score, the score amps up at the bit he puts the jacket on, he puts the hat on, he has the pipe and I'm just like you're Oppenheimer from the comics, aren't you from the comic books and the fables? It's just a really. It's a really well-structured shot. What if? And Houttuma is just one of the best cinematographers on the planet. He's just, he's awesome. Now we're, now we're into it best performance.
Speaker 2:This is what makes these movies so good, both these movies Barbie's.
Speaker 1:John.
Speaker 2:Cena, mermaid Barbie. John Cena his name is John Cena um. Best performance in Barbie, it's. It's like there are multiple toss-ups here. I Think I'm gonna go Gosling. I think mm-hmm, he just goes. It's just full, full send, just commitment to the bit. Mm-hmm, and I mean the Oscars. His Oscars performance on on Sunday is like proof positive of that. Like he started this song behind Margot Robbie and she, like she couldn't keep it together. Mm-hmm, and he was. He just nailed it. Like you crush it. Like if that's not commitment to the bit, like that Nothing else is mm-hmm. And then I mean Oppenheimer, kill him, murphy. Like what are you gonna say? Right?
Speaker 1:You know, for Barbie and I'm gonna use the logic that I think the Academy should have used, and sometimes this is much more simple than it should be it's it's Margot Robbie. It just, it just is. This movie does not work if she's not there. It just does not. The movie couldn't be different. The movie could work in a different way, but this movie, specifically, with all the themes and all the ideas that it comes with and you know all those big things it starts with a performance sometimes and that starts with Margot Robbie. It's just.
Speaker 1:I feel like Margot Robbie's been living in this weird realm of Hollywood where, like she's paying for the sins of being Just a cool person. That was like a cool, beautiful person. That was in all these movies when she was super young, and now people are mad like I don't know, like it happened with Babylon, it happened with this and it's just like I don't know how she's over to in the last two years for two performances that should have got her nominated. But, like I said, sometimes it's simple. And then again for Oppenheimer, sometimes it's just abundantly simple. There's so many best things about these movies the best things about both of these movies easily could be the main actor you have for both roles are just fit both these. It's funny how much more these movies are tethered together than they should be and this is one of the biggest points is the main actor and actress, and these movies are the epitome of who they need to be for these roles. Your favorite character in both these movies.
Speaker 2:Favorite character of Barbie is probably, ironically enough, barbie herself, stereotypical Barbie. I think that character is really well Written, really well performed. Like you said, the movie doesn't work without her. And you know, I think, like I said, that movie could have been so much less than what it was. But you know, greta infused, and Noah Bomba infused so much into that character, so many dimensions into that character, that she didn't necessarily need for that movie to get off the ground. But it just shows you how committed they were to the movie that they made that character what it was. And then for Oppenheimer, my favorite character is Probably gonna be kitty. Kitty Oppenheimer, like she's just you know when, when, when the time came and he thought, you know, he thought his friends were gonna be there for them and they all fell by the wayside, including Groves. Even Groves, kind of, you know, did what was best for his country instead of kind of trying to help out as his friend Kitty Oppenheimer stood on, stood on business.
Speaker 2:She did stand on business and you know, I don't know if Oppenheimer necessarily expected her to be like the bastion of like you know. Just you know, was her testimony gonna potentially get him his clearance back? Probably not.
Speaker 1:But she made it close, yeah, and she showed you who she was to you this whole time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, do everything you guys have been through everything you put her through specifically, and she still kind of just came down on his side of things and I thought that was really, uh, really great, really great character who didn't get a lot to do, but when she got something to do, made the most of it.
Speaker 1:So I'm just gonna inverse you, for this favorite character in Barbie was Was Ken Stereotypical Ken, I guess for or beach Ken, beach Ken. Yeah, his job is beach, not lifeguard idiots, just beach. I mean, again, all the points you made for the performance is the character itself. It's just he's inserted in a place where you know Some of the people are mad at, like the masculinity being stripped away from. You're missing the whole point. You keep missing the point. Weirdo, keep missing it. He, just he hits all those beats, shout out, shout out. Beach Ken. You did your thing, ryan got a great job. And then you know Oppenheimer, like J Robert Oppenheimer, as real world characters. Just, you know it's, it's the engine. It's the engine that needs to run to make any of this happen in university and outside. So and then your favorite moment in scene in both these movies oh we come here for and Barbie, it's probably just.
Speaker 2:I think it's just that the culmination of, of the ending and everything you mentioned about you know, the montage at the end, like just that whole ending bit is so powerful and Get funny enough for Oppenheimer it's the same thing, it's the end bit, like it's weird. It is weird how these two movies are so tattered together and I think both their endings are particularly powerful in their own ways. The Oppenheimer one is obviously more haunting, the Barbie one is kind of a little more hopeful. But they both you talk to true, they will strike a really resident kind of message that will stick with you.
Speaker 1:My favorite moment in Barbie. I don't know why I like that. First, you know what I love in Barbie I love the beginning and I love the big. I love though I love the stipulation beginning if it's like Set the world up, the immediate world you guys ever think about dying? And then that half of the immediate world where I just love the little bits of, like her coffee is bit, her the milk and her coffee is spoiled, her showers cold, but none of these things are happening because yeah doll, like that bit specifically, it's like both sides of that coin play very well, so that's got to be stitched together.
Speaker 1:My favorite part I don't know why, but that's got to be my favorite part of Barbie Oppenheimer, it's that's. It's such a tough one. The whole movie that's like this yeah, this is, this is so tough. Again, I'm gonna, I'm gonna have to go with the, with the Trinity test, because you know, like I said earlier, you talk pressure, you talk about you have to do the thing that, on paper, the movie is Plot-wise about is the inception of the nuclear bomb. You know, objectively, the Inception of the nuclear bomb and you and you nailed, you, nailed it, you absolutely nailed it. Yeah, and that's barb and Heimer is a great time.
Speaker 2:Glad we finally got to talk about both these movies Just again. It's just gonna be a moment in in pop culture that will never, ever, ever be replicated.
Speaker 1:Yeah and then what would any new, anything you want to have to come out on the same day, anything.
Speaker 2:Oh man, I don't know, I it's so tough. Like this was the. The beauty about this thing is just so non Contrived, like it just happened. And then when, like the groundswell started, like both Nolan and Greta Gerwig both kind of like like we're ready for it I think they were ready for the clash, which wasn't even a clash because I think the box office returns ultimately proved they bolstered each other. Mm-hmm, you know, there was never like competition, as there shouldn't be the two totally different movies. But like any anything like this that ever happens in the future, like I Can't imagine it happening without it feeling incredibly fabricated and contrived of, like studios trying to replicate this.
Speaker 1:This is why the ending of Oppenheimer, so powerful because you got to live with the thing you just did like Now they're gonna have to live like remember, remember the jokes are going like Mattel was just like. Now we're gonna green light all the other Mattel properties for movies, yeah. And then it's like Greta Gerwig, like imprinted on Murphy's face of just like what have I done? You would have put it on.
Speaker 2:I would you know if I had to fantasy books, something like this. I would just love for Nolan and Greta Gerwig to be Cosmically tied to each other. I would love for that to happen, so I think that would be mine. I would just want them. Anytime one has a movie coming out, I want the other to also put a movie out.
Speaker 1:You know what they should do. One of the times this has to be in like ten years, like after they've done this like twice more. You know what they should do. They should do the movies that they're doing right and like get all the pre-production and get to set and Then swap. That's what I said they should have done for these movies, because I think Greta Gerwig makes a heck of an Oppenheimer bio pic and I think Christopher Nolan Benounced to probably everybody, probably makes a dang good Barbie movie.
Speaker 2:He said wait, this movie has an altered dimension in it.
Speaker 1:I'm kind of in oh my god, and there's, isn't an installer, all about this. Like love isn't bound by, like, ooh, don't let me cook, don't let me cook. What would I like on the same day? I mean, if there, if we talk superhero movies, I mean I I feel like a day where a Superman movie and a Spider-Man movie would be a day would be would be pretty, would be pretty, pretty crazy if we all I was wishing that we would have got fantastic for and and Superman on the same day. I think they're two weeks apart. Kevin, delay the movie, delay the movie two weeks and benefit from each other. It would just be too mean.
Speaker 2:Everything would be too mean if they did that.
Speaker 1:This one was perfect. Like this. Again, this is the perfect Storm of indifference, like it. Just it just happened to be where these two movies, just like this Biopic from one of the greatest directors of all time of you know what, are the most important pretty people to ever be born under this planet, and then one of the most famous, the most famous toy doll of all time, you know, one of the biggest actresses on the planet like it's a pretty good, pretty mix, yeah, so I, like you said, I don't think anything like this is ever gonna happen again. What's a what's too? I mean credit Gertwig and Christopher Nolan. I mean a a Denny, christopher Nolan would probably be a pretty good double feature. If they released on the same day Dune 3 and 10 at 2 on the same day, the cinema might explode, literally. The power of the two. Love the cinemas, oh man, and that's it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm glad that was good, good stuff. I'm swapping these movies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got to swap two people. That's it, period. You swap Alan and Groves. I.
Speaker 2:Think I'm swapping, I think of putting Gosling and Oppenheimer and I'm putting. I Think I'm putting Florence Pugh and Barbie.
Speaker 1:Florence Pugh probably plays in Barbie. Do you swap Oppenheimer and Barbie? I Can work, good work. Read the things. This, alright. What have you been doing?
Speaker 2:So playing fireplaces, seven rebirth I'm 67 hours in now and it's so good, not even a lot of hours.
Speaker 2:It's not even a lot of hours, but it's so good. The game is still continuously, you know, blow on my mind and every, every turn, like I'm just super impressed. Once again, I just feeling good about being incentivized to do all the side stuff. I think it's like the most engaging thing, like a lot of games won't do that and this one does. You know, I'll have more thoughts on on rebirth when I eventually finish it, so but for now it's just absolutely sensational.
Speaker 2:I'm expecting, you know, just everything across the board music, performances, performances I can't understand enough. Cody Christian, in particular, does a lot of really, really great work In this game and I think you know the fact that this is his first Voice acting role ever, you know, despite the fact that he's had a good, good to great TV career, but he's he's. If he ever wants to pursue this avenue as a, as a voice actor, I think he's got a hell of a career in front of him because he, he does some. He does some things in this game. That is just Outstanding. So that's what that's my. My big takeaway so far From playing Raybeth is is Cody Christian and the whole cast is tremendous, but so far his performance is just remarkable. The amount of different things he does as cloud is tremendous.
Speaker 1:Obviously, I've just been trying to attack these, these Oscar movies, best I can. However, I just I just was home and I don't know why, like I, I have some movies just around and I just I just stumbled upon the place on the pines from 2012, from Derek C in France, that Stars Ron Gosling and Bradley Cooper, both of which were nominated for best best actor and best supporting actor. A couple to go. I you know those movies where it's you know you can pick out certain little nitpicky flaws, but to you, that movie's perfect. The place beyond the pines is one of those movies.
Speaker 1:For me, it's that movies hauntingly ambient. It's, it's, it's Present, it echoes like those are the best ways I can describe it. It's just, it's very poetic, like it's. It's actually it's not overbearingly poetic, but it's it's thunderously poetic. You know, basically, the the biggest theme of that movie is, you know, the sins of the. The sins of the father will be visited upon the son. It's just I I don't know if I've talked about this movie on here.
Speaker 1:I mean, I don't know what it was, I just I just put it on, I just sat there and I just I was in all of that, I was just an all of this movie and you know it's not this massive budget movie but it just it's got. It's got presence, it's got energy, it's just it's like a. It's just this Haunting tale of you know again, the sins of the father and what that and that, what that can do to you know Generations and to the next generation, to your son. It's just, and it just wrapped with these Incredibly, you know, just very heartbreaking performances, like I mean, and the movie structured well too. It's a three at the three act structure. It is utilized.
Speaker 1:It's, you know the first one follows Ryan Gosling as Luke Litton, and then you follow Bradley Cooper's character and then you get to the sons, and one of which is played by Dane Dahan who plays, you know, brian Gosling son in this movie. You mean you have Eva Mendez is in this movie. Why can't I remember Mahershaa Lee's in this movie? I mean Ray Leota is in this movie. Like this movie just also just has to Rose Burns in this movie. Like you, just you're throwing all these great actors in here too, but I just there's something about that movie that just always rests with me too. It's just it has that indie feel to it, but it's just, it looks gorgeous Ben Mendelssohn's in this movie, like there's just, there's just just people around this movie. But you know, obviously I just, I really appreciate what Derek see and France did here. It's just one of those indies that are just, I, just, I really is just perfect for me, it's just, it always hits the spot and that's why we love the movies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. That's really what this episode was about was just a celebration of, like, why we love movies, because you have these two polar opposite things that Both just were able to invoke incredible emotion and feeling and galvanized brought us together. Both these movies really did. So that's gonna do it for us. This week. You can follow us on Twitter at project I have underscore pod. You can follow us on Facebook. You can follow us on Instagram at the project incident pod, and next week we're gonna dive into the Oscars a little bit deeper as well as do a fun little thing. I think. So looking forward to that and that's really it trying to think of, like, what's on the pipeline X-Men, x-men is coming out, x-men 97. We'll probably talk about that.
Speaker 1:We'll talk about that and another X-Men thing probably, if my plans go according to yeah, I would love to.
Speaker 2:We're gonna start talking about probably start Talk about some X-Men stuff In the coming weeks. Now should we start with X-Men one.
Speaker 1:Probably are we gonna start with X-Men origins Wolverine Yep.
Speaker 2:Almost certainly, almost certainly because it's been a. We've never really talked about a bad movie.
Speaker 1:Some of you are probably thinking didn't you guys talk about Morbius?
Speaker 2:Yep Different, different, different thing different, different level of.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the different thing is that Morbius is amazing. Oh yeah, he is Milo Morbius.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:You need a doctor man. I am a doctor and the Oscar goes to in my. I see Morbius, what was Al Pacino cooking?
Speaker 2:I don't know man, only Al Pacino can, can present at the game awards and the Oscars as both the memorable performances Both times. Um. But yeah, we're gonna start start kicking up some X-Men stuff, for sure, and yeah, from me, from the.
Speaker 1:Guess you don't have to be too too careful from the careful with the Oppenheimer picks, because most of them weren't great people.
Speaker 2:From the, from the resident, from the, from the cinema Ken of the podcast. I am cinema Ken. I.
Speaker 1:Am cinema Ken Nice cinema Ken Oppenheimer.
Speaker 2:Um.
Speaker 1:Thanks, you don't have to be too careful.
Speaker 2:The Josh Peck's character of the podcast detonators charged.
Speaker 1:He did it. I'm not a soldier oppie.
Speaker 2:No clear Suckers nuclear. No clear. I.
Speaker 1:See, like that one was a big deal. But like Alex Wolf also being in that movie because I grew up watching the Naked Brothers band also was amazing.
Speaker 2:I just remember what we were doing, the Oppenheimer casting bit, and the week came through, the Josh Peck got cast and we were like surely?
Speaker 1:Wait, this isn't real right. I know that who I think it is Should have put Drake Bell in the movie oh, he's canceled.
Speaker 2:Oh, he is canceled, oh man. All right, guys, we will see you next week for some more Oscar stuff and some more movie talk. Until then, go by.
Speaker 1:Now I've become death destroyer worlds.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's serious. I'm just Ken. That's how Oppenheimer should have finished. Finished, finished a bit. I'm just Ken. All right, guys, we're out of here.
Speaker 1:We got to go we got to go, man, bye, jeffery, right, go watch American fiction. He's great. He's always great. Yeah, he is always great. I know you for two years. I don't even know who you are.
Speaker 2:All right, all right, we're done for real. We're for real, for real. Goodbye Peace.