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116 - X-MEN EPISODE: X-Men '97 and X-Men Origin: Wolverine's Missteps
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“To me, My X-Men.” Finally, we are doing an X-Men episode. The pièce de résistance of our episode is the deep-dive into the X-Men's realm, charting the character arcs and thematic depth from the beloved '90s animation to the present and continuing with X-Men 97. With an affectionate—yet critically sharp—rant on "X-Men Origins: Wolverine," we pull no punches when it comes to studio interference and the missed opportunities of this contentious movie. Whether you're a die-hard X-Men devotee or a newcomer to the mutant saga, our discussion on character development and narrative consequences in this iconic franchise promises to be nothing short of exhilarating.
Before that we talk all the news of the week including a real first look at the Black Panther & Captain America game: 1943: Rise of Hydra. We talk a couple trailers and then discuss the DCU potentially bringing in the Teen Titans. Timecodes are provided if you want to skip around to your topic of choice! Thank you to everyone who continues to support and don’t forget to subscribe to download new episodes as they become available and don’t be afraid to share a rating!
0:00 Intro
01:47 Marvel 1943: The Rise of Hydra Trailer
07:11 The Acolyte Trailer
12:51 Fallout TV Show Clip & Catering to Fans?
22:05 DC News: Teen Titans Live Action Movie & Jake Gyllenhaal Wants to be Batman
31:02 Furiosa Trailer
33:00 X-Men 97: The First Two Episodes
01:04:57 Retrospective: “X-Men Origins: Wolverine”
01:52:45 Signing Off. Rob finished Rebirth, Court’s been playing Jedi Survivor!
Topic for Next Week: More X-Men 97 Talk & The 2000s X-Men Trilogy
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Speaker 2:Podcast. Go tell your friends. It's the Infinite Podcast. My God, it never ends. It's the Infinite Podcast with Robin Croft and Q. Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of the Project Infinite Podcast, the podcast covering the infinite and ever-expanding multiverse of fandom, from movies, comics, tv shows, video games. We got you covered, I think, talking about most of that today. Actually, it's always fun when we hit the grand slam of topics. I'm Rob. I'm here, as always, with Court, court. It is time to talk about the X-Men, finally. Can't wait.
Speaker 1:Can't wait.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're entering X-Men renaissance of sorts. We are, we are. We got the first two episodes of X-Men 97 today, as we're recording this, and we're gonna talk about that because, not bad, ours were open, I think, for a lot of people, hopefully, and then and then.
Speaker 1:We're gonna talk about something just way better.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're gonna talk about. We're talking about like an okay X-Men thing and then the best X-Men thing afterwards. I can't wait. So yeah, we're gonna talk about why did they CGI the claws?
Speaker 1:They didn't have to CGI the claws in the movie that came out in 2000,. But you know, 2009 said let's CGI the claws.
Speaker 2:Yes, we're gonna talk about X-Men Origins Wolverine, just because we want to.
Speaker 1:And this episode is gonna consist of me just asking questions about that movie, even before we start talking about the movie.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna cut you off at random points and just ask dumb questions. Several questions will be asked and none will be answered, but we do have some news. First and foremost, so PAX East is going on today, and one of the major things that came out of PAX East Marvel related is the we got an official trailer for the Captain America Black Panther period piece game. It is officially called Marvel 1943 Rise of Hydra, and boy, howdy does it look like it's gonna be absolutely incredible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean this game is built for the real engine for the unreal engine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's built on Unreal Engine 5, which I think GTA 6 is also gonna utilize it.
Speaker 1:And I remember when they announced the it was during the PS5's inception in 2019, they were talking about the. They said this is not gameplay of an actual game, but we're just gonna show you what we're capable of Like what it's capable of, yeah.
Speaker 1:And I've been waiting. I've been waiting for the game that's gonna take the swing, and I'm glad that Marvel is dipping their toes and gonna be one of the first ones to use it. I mean, that's spearheaded by an absolutely incredible finishing sequence for this trailer, with a little dispute between the golden boy himself, captain America, and T'Challa's grandfather.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we gotta look at a couple of the cast members, obviously. So the two I guess leads. You could guess Our Drew Morline, who I'm not totally familiar with his work, is gonna be Captain America, and then Kari Payton, who the voice of Cyborg for many, many years, and Teen Titans. And you know live action, wise King Ezekiel and the Walking Dead is playing Azuri, who you said is the future King T'Challa's grandfather, as he is Black Panther. And yeah, that bridge scene with the two of them you know kind of encapsulates roughly kind of how the story's gonna go. I mean, it's gonna be a classic.
Speaker 1:They punch for a bit in the Friends yeah.
Speaker 2:I have my friend, I have my mission, you have your mission.
Speaker 1:Our missions are colliding with each other, but we're both heroes, so let's work together.
Speaker 2:And we're fighting Nazis. Couple interesting tidbits. We got a couple looks at the, I guess, the other player characters. So there's the Howlin' Commando person working with Captain America and then the Wakandan spy working with Black Panther. Apparently, both of those characters are gonna be player characters. So that's gonna be interesting like controlling non-superpowered people throughout the course of the game. I would assume this is gonna be some type of like chapter-based kind of thing where you spend some time as each character, probably upgrading skills. Wouldn't be surprised, though, if there will be kind of slightly diverging elements, especially as it relates to the Black Panther Captain America piece. Maybe there'll be a chapter where you pick one of the two. I think that would give the game some tremendous replayability. Also, no gameplay, but all the stuff that was shown was rendered in-engine, so how those cutscenes and everything looked is how the final product is going to look when you actually play it. We could get some type of gameplay thing soon.
Speaker 2:This is spearheaded by Amy Henning's new studio, sky Dance Media. For those of you who don't know Amy Henning, she is responsible. She's the writer and creative director for the entire Uncharted series besides Uncharted 4, which she did some early storyboarding for before she departed Naughty Dog. She's responsible for the Legacy of Kane series, the Jack and Daxter series. She was briefly attached to the Star Wars 1313 project before she was let go, which Star Wars kind of fumbled the bag in my opinion there, but they came out with their own heavy hits. Yeah, it looked absolutely sensational 2025 release date, so next year sometime.
Speaker 1:Next year is loaded.
Speaker 2:I would not be surprised if we get some type of gameplay reveal at the Game Awards. That seems like the right place.
Speaker 1:Are we getting Captain America 4N this game in the same year?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's going to be interesting. So, yeah, we might also get a gameplay reveal at Summer Games Fest. Summer Games Fest is three months away.
Speaker 1:I think they might not want to hold this now because of how good that was. If the gameplay is going to be as good as the cinematics are, they're probably going to be like let's get this shown, just so we get everybody on board. There's probably some skepticism around the game. We've seen. If this the promise that this is going to look how this trailer looked, that's a win. But the other side to this is we need to make sure this gameplay is as tight and as rock star as possible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think superhero games kind of need that immediacy of establishing what the thing is. Suicide Squad was a huge miss, avengers was obviously a huge miss. And then you get your gems.
Speaker 1:You get your gems like Guardians of the Galaxy. Guardians of the Galaxy, yep. And Guardians of the Galaxy's gem is story based, which is so rare that you get a game where the gameplay is good but it's nothing. That's like knock your socks off. You've seen it before, but the story is so enthralling that you're there, and I think this game might have that same element. If it can marry that you know that gameplay with that, we might be in for a classic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was blown away. We talked about this game in tidbits here and there and you know just the names attached to it just always excited me, and now that I've actually seen stuff from it, nothing has tempered my expectations or my excitement for it. So that's going to be really exciting. Moving on to other things, speaking of Star Wars, a trailer for the Acolyte, finally, this kind of mysterious project that's been going on over at Disney. It has had a lot of you know shroud of darkness around it.
Speaker 1:I mean allegorically speaking, because it does seem like the narrative itself. Is that?
Speaker 2:So we got the first trailer and you know it did what I think. I always say this about trailers for things that you might not necessarily be familiar with. All the things in it it intrigued me for sure, so I'm definitely keen to check it out.
Speaker 1:At first you peaked my interest, but now you have my attention.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm definitely intrigued. I like this idea of kind of you know the Jedi kind of going about their business and then this huge dark monkey wrench comes into the fold by way of the origin of the Sith and the dark side. I'm super into it. Things look tight. They kind of put it out there. It's so crazy where we're at now with the volume, because when the Mandalorian came out, people were like this is going to be the future of cinematography and now, like this show in particular going out of its way, to be like no, we didn't use the volume for this you shot this, so it's, you know, it's kind of.
Speaker 1:Which is, you know it's to further that point. It is kind of interesting when you think about it broad spectrum because again it goes down to my point. I feel like week in, week out, it's all about your person. Now. I mean, who are you using on the volume? You're using Greg Fraser on the volume, who is a multi Oscar winner, direct or cinematographer, and then you go. You know later seasons of the Mandalorian and you know some of these people. You know obviously they're better than me and you at using it, but it's just. You know there's a lack of some understanding. That could also be studio insight. They're probably pumping this thing out of. We just need this. We don't really care about how good it looks. I don't want you to think about Using it as a crutch Right. We don't want you to think about the cinematic sense. Get Jack Black in this episode. That's probably what they were more worried about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I mean overall. Do you have any kind of other thoughts on the acolyte trailer?
Speaker 1:No, I mean, you know, obviously the High Republic has been a hot ticket item for Star Wars. I mean, you know you had the books that were coming out, the rise of the Like, all those books that were. It was like the biggest thing. Obviously you had Jedi survivor, which you know focused heavily on the High Republic era, just bringing Dag and Gara back into the modern quote unquote modern age. But I'm intrigued that just it's something that I told you in terms of the actual Jedi that aren't named Skywalker. I think we can use some more of that desperately, and I think that's out of a longing for what Andor did.
Speaker 1:Just this, this sect of Star Wars that wasn't tethered to anything in a major way. Obviously it's a direct prequel to Rogue One, but I'm talking feel-wise, it wasn't necessarily tethered to anything. It was, you know, narratively you can kind of pick and choose what you want to do. I think that Star Wars needs that a little bit right now and I hope we get this in a live action sense. But you know, if this show can play in a way that's somewhere crossed between, you know, tonally-wise with the Mandalorian and where Andor was, I think that's going to be a good sign. You know, obviously you want to make sure your performances are money. You know all signs are pointing north and I think this show could be pretty decent.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think the heavy lifting that this show has to do in a way that even Andor nor the Mandalorian really had to do, was they really have to establish character kind of immediately, because obviously Andor had the anger of you know, casting Andor character that people were familiar with. The Mandalorian didn't have that, but it had a recognizable thing Like people kind of always wanted this type of bounty hunter show, whereas this, like it's kind of just a concept, whereas I feel like that first episode, whatever that first, I think the first two episodes are coming out same day, which they're doing that more and more often now. They did it today, they did it today, yep. I think those first two episodes have to really nail the character down, the characters you know, whatever the case is, because the concepts will only take you so far If you don't have. I think you know a show that did that really well was Gen V. Yep, yep, yep. Gen V did that really really well.
Speaker 1:You've got to establish characters and you've got to establish why it's credible to this world. Like there's three things you need to do. It's the story. You know you've got to set up what this concept that you're doing is. But you know it's the, because I was just listening to the Talking Pictures podcast. I was listening to Bill Hader talk about it and he said this concept that they were talking about on South Park it's not. This thing happens and then this thing happens. It's this thing happens because this thing happened. Because this thing happened, therefore, this thing shall happen. It's such an interesting concept. So you know, in a realm I know I'm going to take that farther In a realm, when you're talking about a property, like something that's already established, that's even infinitely more difficult.
Speaker 1:And you know, one of the big things from the show is one of the main writers on the show had never seen Star Wars and they made it a point because then they can start to question some things that are happening, which, on paper, that makes a lot of sense. Like I don't want them to be tethered to this thing that they used to love when they were kids, because that's when you start to slip into things that will. You know, logic will supersede, or, you know, fan service will supersede logic. And you know I feel like Andorra's a pride and case study of you know they could have been all Star Wars fans in that room, but logic always superseded fan service. And then it was a nice marriage in between, like this show on a Jedi level. If it can do that is going to work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. And I mean, you know another show that kind of has that kind of challenge going for it and the director kind of directly confronted it and I guess we could talk about it. Next is Fallout.
Speaker 1:Fallout kind of has a similar thing.
Speaker 2:So we got a first proper clip of it and you know I continued to be excited for the show. Yes, and it keeps ramping.
Speaker 1:It keeps getting more and more and more.
Speaker 2:Again, super. I think it's super great that they're putting the whole thing out in one shot. It's not going to be a weekly thing. And then Jonathan Nolan came out this week, caught some heat from the fandom community at large when he said that he doesn't think that well, he was speaking for Fallout specifically when he said that he didn't care to cater to the fans, and I know that caught a lot of attention and a lot of heat. But I think he's right. I don't want to be crucified, but I think he's right to take that approach, because that's how you end up in the fan service trap.
Speaker 2:I think you need to. I think you need to. I think, especially in the case of like, adaptation and remakes of anything, you need to. If you have a clear and cut vision for the thing and you understand what it is you're adapting, then you don't have to listen to fan feedback on it in the sense of like why isn't this thing in there? Or you have to incorporate this. It's obviously good to include some nods, some references like those are all fun, but if you're just trying to do a thing buy the fans for the fans then you end up in a really dangerous spot and I think where this Fallout show is succeeding for me, at least, from the trailers and the clips is it feels like the world is understood and they're just inserting these new characters into it. Again, it's the way you do it.
Speaker 1:It's the whole point. You have to let Logic marry the fan service. The fan service can't be the driver in the seat, because that driver is erratic, that driver is compulsive. Unfortunately, and we've seen it, we've seen the negative connotations of all those ideas. Rise of Skywalker Rise of Skywalker is a great example, as much as no Way Home is a fun movie.
Speaker 1:It's not, on paper, the best movie, because you know what the penance of that movie is. The first half of that movie is the penance of what the second half tries to do. So, looking broad-spectrum, big picture, I think a show like Fallout and I'm like 80-20 on that point because I still think a little bit you still need to understand what you're making. But again, I think the point that he was trying to make is I'm making this like if it's bad, it's bad. You guys will tell me, but I'm making this thing as a Fallout fan. Still, I'm not just making it as some random guy. So you know.
Speaker 1:Let's take Sandman, for example. Dune Part 2 is a perfect example of this. You know how much stuff they cut I mean spoiler alert. But all the Aliyah stuff is the perfect thing to think about. Like, did you want a toddler running around with a knife murdering people in the movie. Would that have worked for this story and this tone that they were going for? No, the way that they approached it makes way more sense for this story. That's all you have to do. Does this make sense for the project we are making right now?
Speaker 2:Yep, totally agreed. And I mean you know another movie that you know, a Marvel movie that did fan service, quote-unquote really really well, I think is Avengers Endgame. Sure, sure, when you talk about, you know what was the fan theory for a bajillion years. In the MCU, captain America will mule near. What's one of the best moments in Avengers Endgame is when that exact thing happens.
Speaker 1:And then it's also character too, and you know, it's the microcosm of what made Captain America. Captain America Like he'll stand against anybody if it means doing the right thing. And he was immediately rewarded by one of the. You know, the final Avengers. Assemble everybody together, that's rewarding for a character arc from the start, from 2010 to 2019. That's what that is.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I mean, there's ways to implement it, but you don't necessarily, I mean, have to cater to the fans, and I think that's where Star Wars got in a lot of trouble in that last trilogy was too much course correcting, too much, you know, taking fan feedback of the previous film and trying to fix it. Ironically enough, the person that didn't do it was Ryan Johnson.
Speaker 1:Yeah yep and you know, maybe one day on here, I think if we want to get fun and controversial, we're going to have to eventually talk about. You know we're going to have to talk about why can't I remember episode eight, the last Jedi, the last Jedi. We're going to have to talk about this at some point because you know that movie is probably one of the most single, most hated fandom movies that's ever been released and I think there's a big reason why a lot of people don't love that movie and it's very unfortunate, but you know that's also. You know there's big stipulations for that movie that never came to fruition.
Speaker 1:Like you know obviously he thought he was going to do the next movie at the time and then they knocked on JJ Abrams door.
Speaker 2:They said, hey, hey, big head, what you doing you still up, goes back to the course correction thing, and then we got Rise of Skywalker, which was just a mess of just kind of just these moments that didn't really add up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was thinking about that movie the other day. The hate for that movie isn't, you know? I think the hate's on the wrong thing in that movie. Which one?
Speaker 2:The Rise of Skywalker.
Speaker 1:I feel like the hate's on, like, because I think people I mean obviously there's people that just hate the trilogy because raise a character. There's people that you know hate this trilogy for this, that the other. I don't think that's the problem, like you said. I just think the Rise of Skywalker is, story wise, just like a mess.
Speaker 2:Like it's just jointed.
Speaker 1:And it's just trying, and it just because you're capping off one of the greatest sagas of in cinema. I'm just talking, you know the length of it and you know how, how it's scope and how impactful to society this franchise was Like if that's the ending, that's not your ending, like that's just that sucks. That's the ending of that, yeah.
Speaker 2:That's a studio fault.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, that's a studio fault. That just it just is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I mean, they've really, you know, aside from flashes here and there when it comes to the Mandalorian, when it comes to Andor, when it comes to Ahsoka, sort of Star Wars still hasn't really recovered from that sequel trilogy yet, and that's the crutch.
Speaker 1:That's the crutch that I was. That's the crutch you were talking about too, and you know I was watching. I was I don't know why, but I just got this itch to talk the thing about Jedi survivors. So I started kicking around in the game and I was just thinking about that story. You know why that story works so well. Obviously it's ingratiated and commons of something. But that story just runs with a character that we hadn't met before previously. That's, this is his own path and his own journey with. You know relatable stakes and relatable. You know consequences, personally and externally. Like that's why we, that's why that game and again, not to sound nerdy, but you get to be a Jedi. Like, you just get to be a Jedi and do the thing. Like I feel like Star Wars is so afraid to let the thing be the thing that makes the universe fun and you know, hopefully the actor, like can touch it.
Speaker 1:I don't think that's going to be the main focus, but whatever movie we get, you know we're getting, I know we're getting three movies. It's the James Mangold, you know old, old movie. They're going to do the Inception of the Jedi. We're getting the. We're getting the Daisy Ridley lead movie and then I forget what the third movie was.
Speaker 1:But I just, I think there should be a desperate plea, and maybe this is what the Daisy Ridley movie is going to be let's just, let's start fresh.
Speaker 1:Let's just start fresh, get somebody that cares about the franchise. But you know, once they make something new, and you know, let's just, you know, maybe get back to the George Lucas Way in the 70s and 80s, like, think cinema first before you think franchise. Maybe that's a, that's a good, that's a good healing point. And it's a point we talked about, like you know, we talked about it with the Fantastic Ford. Like, maybe, maybe these studios need to start thinking cinema over franchise and start to make, like, you know, quote, unquote the pictures again, like, maybe maybe that should be the first thing you think about is, like, how do I make the most like cinematic movie that I can? That's like the experience, and you know, because you know Top Gun, maverick Doom, like it feels like we're at like a bit of a turning point and those movies seem to be the movies that are starting to win, the ones that are worried about, you know, the cinema itself.
Speaker 2:And funny enough, like it doesn't. It may not seem like it because of the source material and and you know what it's, what it is, but Deadpool 3 might be that.
Speaker 1:Sure sure.
Speaker 2:You know, that's your point Because it just feels, you know, maybe not so much like the cinematic piece of it, but like at least I feel like that movie is going to have a definitive identity, sure, and I think it's going to feel unique to every other thing that they've done.
Speaker 2:And I think that's a great, great start. And, like I said, like I keep refraining the part that it's the only movie Marvel's putting out this year. And you know, sean Levy is getting apparently a lot of, you know, a lot, maybe not a lot of calls from Kevin Feige, but Kevin Feige is apparently planning things for Sean Levy because of how impressed he was with Deadpool 3. So, I mean, we'll see where that goes, but I think Deadpool 3 could potentially be that for Marvel, sure, and in a couple minutes we're going to talk about another thing that kind of kind of even though it's animated, kind of maybe elevated the Marvel stock a little bit. So we're going to talk about that in a couple of minutes. But speaking of, you know, like live action things and development, so the Hollywood Reporter has said that DC is planning a live action Teen Titans movie, which you know, excites someone like me who absolutely loves the Teen Titans, and yeah, I mean that's, that's a good idea and concept, sure.
Speaker 1:I guess we have to ask the question, and this you know as much as we've been kind of, you know, singing the praises of the preliminaries of the DCU, the question must keep getting asked Is this like? Does this fit? Like? Where does this fit? Because who like? Who is it? Who is it Like? Is this in universe, outside of universe, like?
Speaker 1:There's a lot of questions to be asked, and this is my you know, you said it and you told me not to get my hopes up months ago about you know this like, be tempered with where you're going. It's like the bar that that Magneto has in the second episode of X-Men 97, talking to Scott, you know, where do you do you put this in the DCU? Because there's this very, almost like hard stop point about Superman that this is like, this is him, this is like it's not his first public appearance because he's already been established, but like this is the like I am the Superman of everybody and I'm still young like cup reporter Superman. Like so is this Teen Titans movie going to be in this universe? Because I feel like a lot of things have to go right for this to be here.
Speaker 1:It could still be in universe, Because if, if Robin's Nightwing, then you can go. You know, starfire, you're fine wherever you get her. For cyborg, you're fine wherever you get him from Beast Boy, same thing Raven. So, weirdly enough, this is really going to be the tell if it's going to be Nightwing or if it's going to be Robin. I guess that's a that also dictates your tone of your movie?
Speaker 2:Sure, sure, yes, it does, because if you're going to do Nightwing, it's got to be a more kind of adult Titans team.
Speaker 1:Yeah right, it needs to be not the show I'm talking about, like the New Age comics, like the Titans, like that's. Like you're talking like Wally West after he became just the flash, that kid flash. Like that's where you're going to have to pull from.
Speaker 2:Or you do more, which I, which is kind of what I would shoot for is more of like a young adult kind of Senate piece where they're all kind of, you know, in their teens to twenties.
Speaker 1:You know what I was thinking about too, and Blue Beetle can back this, back this point up, because I believe I know Blue Beetle's in the DCU apparently, which I know wasn't there like points of well, so the DCU Batman had already been established. Because we're picking up with, we're picking up with Damien Wayne at this point, wherever it gets, and I get to our next point of news after that too. But you know, do you? You probably just do Nightwing, like he 'd already been established. Maybe you just do pick up. I just wear. You know you, sometimes I have to eat my words when I'm around you, because you did say, don't you know? The DC, like Warner Brothers, is still going to Warner Brothers. So I this way.
Speaker 1:This is so weird I should be overly excited about this. I mean, I grew up on that Teen Titans show as much as you know a lot of us did like. That show is ingratiated into my memory. I love that show so much. You know the Titans as characters are all great. I'm just a bit fearful that we're do we're doing it again. We're doing the thing again. You don't need to do this. You did it already. You told us what God's and monsters, phase one. That's it, leave it, leave it until you know Superman's a certified hit and you can start, you know, getting jumpy and excited a little bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know it's, it's always, you know it's always a studio thing. It's always the big brother is watching, like you know, strike while, and Warner Brothers has a track record of doing this. It would not surprise me if Warner Brothers looked at what Marvel was doing and being like they're doing Young. Avengers we have. Why don't we do a thing, you know, with a crop of young superheroes?
Speaker 1:Oh wait, we have the Teen Titans and they're like Green Light of James, like can I, can I make? Can I make my swamp thing first? Can I make?
Speaker 2:my weird. No, no, no, no Teen.
Speaker 1:Titans now, and I mean the only other I mean Titans related stuff.
Speaker 2:I mean we got the Teen Titans versus Justice League animated series or animated movie. We obviously got the Titans show which kind of was kind of under, a little underrated.
Speaker 1:I think Well, the later seasons. You know that show plays kind of like ages to shield. I think age to shield does it better. But as this, as the show grows into itself, it becomes more self aware of what it is and how it doesn't need to fit anywhere, and then you can start breathing and start creating what you want to create Titans. You know, once you get later in that, minus the Batman and the Titans, but besides that also kind of lean less on the like.
Speaker 2:Look how gritty and mature they absorbed what it was.
Speaker 1:They it's stupid, crazy comic books. And they started to really get after, especially at the end of season two and a season three. They really really like they ended up doing you know what did they do? They did you know brother blood, like they did. They started to dip into some crazy stuff. They did Red Hood, red Hood, yep, yep. So you know, do your do your comic stuff? Like, don't be afraid of that. Like you don't have to be afraid of those things. Like like how the MCU thrived from. You know, I always say that like 2014 to 2019, it was like the Golden Age. Like they weren't Dr Strange was doing crazy, weird stuff. Like they weren't shy, they weren't making Dr Strange a gritty, you know surgical drama. Like no, no, no, you're gonna cross the multiverse and do crazy stuff. Like don't be afraid, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean we'll see. We'll see what happens. Obviously, this is just an announcement. It's not even probably in like conceptualization stage, it's more just like this is happening.
Speaker 1:I guess you know the next piece. I'm gonna say a name and you're gonna tell me if they should play Batman, and that would be Jake Gyllenhaal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sure, I mean, I guess there's plenty of room for Batman in this DC universe, so why not just have another one?
Speaker 1:Sure, sure I do think he's like good age. What is he? 42?.
Speaker 2:Yeah, surprisingly young.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I thought about that the other day. I was like Jake Gyllenhaal is not as old as I thought he was, like I thought he was much older than he is. Obviously he's got 43. Yeah, he's 43. Obviously he's got Roadhouse coming out. He looks impeccable shape right now, which is awesome. He's been around this. Not only has he been around the superhero genre, he's been around the most popular, like one of the most popular superheroes in the genre. He's not afraid to get, you know, weird or crazy or anything you want to get nuts, he's not afraid, which I really like about him too, and I mean, just at the end of the day, that's a phenomenal actor too. I mean that's an award nominated actor, so that's somebody that you know you can bring into this universe, not be nervous about.
Speaker 2:I think he would be a phenomenal Bruce Wayne.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's my thing too. I think he would understand like I'm talking. This Bruce Wayne, that's still the playboy, but you know what, you know who he would play like a little bit. He would play like Jim Lee's Batman, I think, a little bit like that hush era of Batman. I feel like he's like he's kind of around there. I always say that Pattinson's is a little mix between like the Greg Capullo version, like that Batman, and a little bit of that. You know older noir, your 80s Batman, like that's where Pattinson lives. Obviously you get into. You know your Justice League Batman like your, you know your Greg.
Speaker 1:Why can I remember my man that you know wrote for DC for the longest time? Jeff Johns, your Jeff Johns Batman is bat flick. That's probably the closest one you have. I feel like Jake Gyllenhaal would be a great choice. He's got the look, he's got the physique. I think he can go ahead to head with David Corn sweat too. I feel like they would have like a pretty solid dichotomy. Is like the you know the respectable frenemies. I think that would be really would play really well. And I think you're, I think you know how you can play well. It's with the kid. I think it's with having Damien Wayne. I feel like they can have a great rapport. Like I don't know why I envisioned him getting the kid and be like Wolf.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, not agree. I think it's a great choice. I think you know when you're, you know a studio and any prominent actor kind of in you know, unpromptedly throws their name into the ring.
Speaker 1:I think you got to pay attention, it's been a couple over the last couple of months. It's been like a like multiple actors have been like I'll play Batman if it's up Like this is a role that's like can get you some more roles. This is a role that's just popular and it's like it's got to be kind of cool to be Batman. Like that's kind of be kind of a cool yeah.
Speaker 2:Ben Affleck thought that too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe not for Ben Affleck but for everybody else Like that's got to be pretty decently cool. So yeah.
Speaker 2:So I think you definitely got to pay attention when, if he's, you know, putting that out there.
Speaker 1:I'm throwing my hat in the ring for him specifically. I'm really throwing my hat in the ring. I think Alan Richens he's too brolic for Batman. Maybe he can I don't know who he can play Find him a role.
Speaker 2:Oh, he'll find a role. Get him a role. That guy is Saber tooth.
Speaker 1:Spoiler alert for the rest of the what we're going to talk about. Oh, make Taryn Egerton Wolverine and then make him make him Saber tooth.
Speaker 2:That's a good one. You know who he also can play.
Speaker 1:He also could play a Magorabra. That's deep cut. Is it deep cut?
Speaker 2:I don't know it's a pretty deep cut. So yeah, before we talk about Axel, we did get another, we got. Well, we got a proper trailer for Furiosa. Yeah, I'm Furiosa, I'm Nutella Joy. Chris Hemmer, she's cooking this year. Yeah, she's definitely cooking in this movie. Because that, that was a fun. That was a fun trailer, yep.
Speaker 1:It was, it was, it was properly Mad Max. There it is, and I was, and that was the thing. I think this, the first trailer, was solid. It's good seeing it on the big screen as a preview still solid. But this is like the sell trailer, like this is the one where like, get, get the butts in the seats. Get the butts in the seats. George Miller's back, like.
Speaker 2:Chris has to be Australian.
Speaker 1:This one feels much more of like the like, this ominous scope that Mad Max has Like. This feels much more like that, I think. I think it does really well. You know, I'm, I'm, I mean, that first movie is just man. Furiosa, it was a revelation of a movie to come out and just was surprisingly way more subtle than anybody ever thought it would be, but also not being subtle one bit. It's just that it's a perfect marriage.
Speaker 2:So yeah, and I mean that's obviously the ghost that On your Tail, or George specifically is going to have to chase because she'll use their own one and Oscar for it. So you know, I I think she's more than up to the task. For sure, it looks like.
Speaker 1:it looks like Hemsworth's having a blast, Just a ball, which you know sometimes you want we talk about. You know sometimes you do like those like scene chewers and like you know we talk about Rami Malek, sometimes in the last in no time to die. It's like sometimes that does work Sometimes. What about Ewan McGregor in Birds of Prey? You know even to go a little farther for something that was more recent, but like even you know Kingsley Benadir and and Seagrant Invasion, like if you're going to do it, just go full sun for it. You know like, forget subtlety, forget all those things, just be the big bad guy.
Speaker 2:Like yeah, Max is a perfect war backdrop for that sort of performance, so I'm looking forward to that. That looks. It looks really good. But yeah, let's, let's talk about some X-Men. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So you know we got the announcement what was it two years ago? That we were getting X-Men 97 and everybody's like huh, x -Men 97. We're bringing this back and fear strikes. In my opinion it's the fear of what could go wrong, I think. But you know a lot of people are like cool. But then there's a lot of people like why touch something so precious, like that show is precious to so many? I mean that show is obviously a little outside of my era but I did watch it obviously, but it was something that was outside of my era so I was already on the outside looking in. That show was like a weird bridge gap because obviously this show is coming out.
Speaker 1:Fox and Friends in the 90s I mean you had Power Rangers, you had X-Men like that's a big deal Like this. This is a big property, you know, a prominent kid's show with some really recognizable characters. So to touch it again would be, you know, some of me may think even blasphemous to do and you know just to jump right in. You know the feeling I got from watching these two episodes. It was something that I told you when I was done and you know it's really incredible and you feel it for some projects. Like you know, when there's something, it's a source material from something, and you watch the thing and you're like I need to read this, Like I need to get more of this immediately.
Speaker 2:And the original show does that a lot.
Speaker 1:One of the things.
Speaker 2:I think it was a couple of weeks ago, as I mentioned on here, that I was watching, rewatching, and man, they just flippantly bounce between all these notable X-Men comic book arcs, just like blah, like whatever.
Speaker 1:Here's Apocalypse, I mean they do, they do Apocalypse, they do. Mr Sinister, they mix those two. They do, they do. They do the Shiar Empire, like they're just ripping off Phoenix Force. They're ripping off some of the I mean the you talk about the sentinels. You do, you do. You do the cure, like they were ripping off these major storylines that make up the X-Men from the 60s to the modern age. I mean, the biggest thing that they just haven't got into, which I want to ask you a question when we're done, when we're at the very end, is obviously they didn't just dip into the Jonathan Hickman, the new stuff, the new X-Men stuff, which is now super popular, but this show is just absolutely. I mean it's you know.
Speaker 2:I hate to from the jump.
Speaker 1:It's perfect. Like this show is just. It is it's not just the X-Men 97 or X-Men original animated series Just as a superhero thing. This thing is just. It's emotional. So, and the 90s show understood that very, very much.
Speaker 1:So, like you know, I love the people that are going to be mad at this and that we're probably mad at the X-Men show and probably mad at the X-Men comics. Like you know, I feel like the first example that they got and made the news. You know we saw that clip from a couple. I don't know why that clip popped up. I think it was because of this. The clip popped up on my on Twitter was, you know, it was the reception that God loves man Kills, you know, from Chris Clare Mountain. You know what do you think days of future past is invoking? You think this is just something they accepted out of their minds. There's something very big in human history that they're invoking out of that you think God loves man Kills. They're just like, yeah, these are the only people that have been ever been oppressed.
Speaker 1:No, this is pulling from something and X-Men 97 hits it hard talking about these. You know, these real world things that are happening and that have happened and will continue to happen, and it's just does not shy away from it, but also as a superhero property. You know, one thing you have to do is you have to get it. You know you have. Unfortunately, you do have to get the action right out of the gate. You got to set the tone of is this show going to? Because you know what this is. That's the end of the day, it's a superhero thing. So you're going to get the superheroing Boy. It doesn't do the superheroing, and who does it benefit the most? Rob?
Speaker 2:It benefits Cyclops. Cyclops gets, I think, the biggest, the biggest kind of like punch through the wall of like. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1:It's something that we had not seen. We haven't seen this in live action from Cyclops, which is surprising because you know, and we can talk about our experiences growing up with the live action X-Men movies, because we really did live through like the bulk of the X-Men as we know it. And you know, the big piece is that Wolverine was the guy. Wolverine wasn't a part of the original X-Men movie. Wolverine didn't get there until 12 years after Wolverine, storm, banshee, colossus, all these they didn't show up until 75 until Chris Cronamount took over.
Speaker 1:So you know, just seeing the justice that Cyclops is getting, like Cyclops is the leader of the field, leader of the X-Men. It's Cyclops, gene Gray, beast, like these are the X-Men. And you know it's just so satisfying to see Cyclops get his do. And you know I told you, like the astonishing X-Men run from Joss Whedon, like this is what it kind of does for Cyclops too. It makes Cyclops like I'm not some stupid boy scout that's running around, even though, like I'm capable, I'm not only am I capable as a field leader, I'm physically capable as Cyclops. And oh boy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a brilliant quick action sequence. First of all, I just love the first episode because it's obviously a mirror to the series premiere. You know, way back when you know it's, you know a young mutant gets kind of accosted. In the original series you said what Accosted? What's his name? Robert Roberto D'Costa. What did?
Speaker 1:you do your sunspot from Marvel Comics.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in the original series it's Jubilee that in this situation they play into that. Well, I mean, it's a nice mirror and you know what?
Speaker 1:this should. They brought the Sentinels back for this first episode. You know what this episode does so well. Well, everybody's arc is very, very definitive, I know. But I also don't know where it's going, because at the end of both episodes leave on cliffhangers too, especially the second one. But it's not everybody's physical arc, it's all. Their emotional arcs are all, like all credible, like I feel all, like every single one of them makes sense. Maybe the least to do is Bishop, I think. But he's not. I don't think that's the end of the world. Like Bishop and Morph. But Morph got so much to do in the original show. Like Morph had a whole Morph died. Yeah, morph died, came back evil and then became good again because of a pep talk.
Speaker 1:Shout out to Flash. But you know, cyclops in the show is just. You know what's he struggling with? He's struggling with the fact that you know Professor X is dead and so you know his father figure just died. Now he has to lead the X-Men and you know it's all about worthiness for him. Am I worthy? I'm here to lead this team. Are they going to follow? Like that's the thing that I have to Like, can I lead this team and should I lead this team. You know Jean's pregnant now. You know that creates a very big shift and dynamic amongst the X-Men. You know their arc's all about leaving Like, should you know they might leave the X-Men now to start a life.
Speaker 1:You know Rogue. You know shout out to Comics. Rogue gets a very interesting piece beyond because you think she's capped off at being just. You know she took Carol Danvers' powers. It's much more than that. You know it's it's, it's the show. Is. You know, funny enough to say the show is so human, like and the X-Men comics when they're at their best. When Chris Clarem outside is best. You know when you know Jim Lee was doing alright in the 90s, like. When the X-Men are. Hickman, you know, came out of the gate swinging with his new arc in 2019,. You know when the X-Men are the best, it's when they're the most. You know human or you know homo superior, like. That's when the X-Men are at their best as characters. When they were. You know it's funny when you know the whole woke thing, like when they're worried about that. That's when the X-Men are always at their best.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I mean, you know, what the show also does a great job of, I think, is it doesn't do what a lot of these like resurgent franchises do and it's like, remember this thing, remember this thing. Like it's very self-contained to the point where, like, they do a good enough job of kind of throwing in things here and there that you don't necessarily you don't, you don't have to do that thing where you have to go back and watch. You know it's a great companion piece, but it's not like, it's not like required viewing. They do a great job of being like oh, bishop's here I think Rogue might mention this quick. She's like, oh, bishop's a time traveler. Okay, done, that's all you need to know. They do a great job of saying Professor X was assassinated. Here's the person who killed him.
Speaker 1:And we're going to interrogate him to go further in the story.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So they do a great job of kind of just establishing all these character dynamics right off the bat, without A over saying it's welcome or B being inaccessible to new viewers, because, truth be told, there are going to be a lot of new viewers to this, especially after the reception that has got.
Speaker 1:I think people are going to be like, you know, I should probably check out this X-Men show and using Roberto D'Costa as well, like now you're like you're the new mutant in this world, that's you know. It's like a surrogate too, because it's almost like you know I'm a bit apprehensive as, like in universe, how the humans are apprehensive to them, you know, as Magneto's apprehensive to the humans, as like some new viewers might be to the show, like I'm the person that's going to get you into the world and like, from my point of view in the first episode you're going to see around everything. You're going to kind of peek, you know, in Gander and you know get you know, involved in this story too. And then he makes it it's funny, he makes the decision at the end, you know. You know, come find me, I might stick around for a little bit too. And like that's the viewers, like that's exactly what happened, like you know what, I will stick around for this. Yeah, the cast, yeah.
Speaker 2:Money, just a tremendous. So there are a couple, a bunch of returning characters, returning actors. So Alison Sealy Smith returns a storm um. Lenore Zen returns his rogue. George Woosa returns his beast, which I don't know why it's the beast voice. A lot of people were like super attached to the Wolverine voice actor. Cal Dodd does return to play Wolverine but for me, like as a kid, I don't know why beast voice actor always stuck out to me. I think it's because like he has that like proper, like rabbitots that Hank McCoy should have and like I was so glad that he comes back.
Speaker 1:But the standout for me was a new, a new addition to the cast, which is Ray Chase as Cyclops Um man Just immediately just asserts why he's so important to this whole thing and like, not just like in universe, but the actor himself like why he's so important to this like brings.
Speaker 2:It brings just that, that. Command of the room this is the blueprint.
Speaker 1:Like this is live action. Which he this this is what you should strive for. Like this, cyclops is the one. Like this is we finally figured outside. After 19 years of X-Men movies, we finally figured out Cyclops. Yeah, they just throw it all, like that first action scene man, when he comes in using the optic black is that you know conceptually that that power is very crutched and very one dimensional. And then they add three dimensions to a one dimensional on paper power. What?
Speaker 2:they were able to do with that.
Speaker 1:Like him using the optic blast to to for mobility, it's even more than that too, because you know why it's, you know why it's so impressive, because it's it's also Scott's arc from the show to hear it's like now he's like. You can feel a confidence from not the, not the, you know, arrogant confidence. You can finally feel it himself. Like I am worthy to lead the X-Men, like I'm worthy of my power, which I was probably one of the most frightened to get, because now I, you know, I'm seeing red all the time and I can't open my eyes. Like for me, like the going from human to mutant, like was probably, for him, one of the worst you could ask for. So him just being so confident he's having a son, like he's married to the love of, like everything's going Cyclops way. And what do we do in storytelling? We rip all those things from us because that's good storytelling.
Speaker 2:Unfortunately, yeah, which is kind of what the first episode culminates in. So like the X-Men have saved the day, they've stopped the sentinels.
Speaker 2:Just such a good establish here, yeah, and then episode two is where we really well, the hook yeah, I mean the hook at the end of episode one is like the whole the inner X-Men struggle. Episode one is Cyclops and Jean are preparing to tell the team that that they're, that they're going to lead. Didn't we do this in fantastic four rides of the Silver Surfer? Jean is suspiciously pushy. Yeah, these first two episodes of being like we got to get out of here, we got to be done Like we got to raise our child. Cyclops finally acquiesces until they're all hanging out at the basketball court and then Beast gets an alert that someone's in Professor X's office. So they all march up in there in their in their gym clothes. And who is there with a luscious head of hair.
Speaker 1:Just an absolute planet fitness gym membership.
Speaker 2:Magneto's there. Eric Lynch is there To me, my X-Men, With the last holding in his hand, the very, very wordy last will in the last minute, Charles Xavier, several pages, and he says hello, I'm your boss now Xavier left everything to me and how dare you stood where he stood, how dare you. And Matthew Waterston comes in as Magneto in episode two and is just brilliant. Also, I mean, I don't want to the other sequence I didn't want to gloss over from episode one was the storm sequence.
Speaker 1:Oh my oh my goodness, just the whole back half sentinel fight. It's just just money Hits the right spots. It's just every when the theme starts playing. Yeah, and you know, all the X-Men are prominent. Like you know, gambit's riding on Wolverine's back charges him up with his power. Wolverine jumps at the sentinel Rogue's using her, her mismarvel powers.
Speaker 2:Like Beast takes control of the sentinel from the inside.
Speaker 1:He uses his strength and he uses his smarts. Like every morphs, using multiple morph just pops into different I love that Different mutants from around the universe.
Speaker 2:Morph is the fan service character.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah and in episode two. It's quick, it doesn't, it doesn't overstay, it's welcome for any of them. You tricked you at one point, we'll wait a second, but that whole sequence you're the master mold from Marvel Comics, like you're Bob Fartrash from Marvel Comics, like this. It's just, it's so good.
Speaker 2:It does what the original series did. Man, like we're not going to handhold you, like we're going to throw all these things in there and we're going to?
Speaker 1:we're just going to roll. Even farther than that too. It's the fact that, like the sentinels were so prominent and so dangerous to them, and then it's the fact that they take on five sentinels and cooling a master mold and they just dispatch of them, and then it just immediate shows you the physical might of the X-Men.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was going to say that, going back to the Cyclops point, like this is not just a mutant Like this is a mutant who has spent years honing his powers, his power set, and he is a master of what he does with those powers.
Speaker 1:And they all are. They all are not this, but even Jubilee, like all of them, are credible Like this, like this is the X-Men, this is the X-Men.
Speaker 2:And then so the X-Men are surrounded and Cyclops hits his little button and he goes give him the forecast, then the set. I've never seen. Never seen fear in the eyes of a robot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was that was insane Omega level threat detected. And then the piano theme starts playing and I'm like what's Storm about to?
Speaker 2:do. The whiteening crashes down, forms the sheets of glass all over the desert, because she's in the desert, so Trask is hiding in the Sahara. Yeah, and here comes Storm, here comes Aurora Monroe, just it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1:Have you ever read the? You know the giant size X-Men, the Claremont run, so when it opens up, storm probably has the best introduction out of all of them. Because you know I think I can't remember what the verbiage is exactly and it is very verbose, but you know one of the things, it's like this like this goddess ascends from the sky with the thunder and lightning cracking in the back, like exactly what they did in this, like it's such like for me. From reading that, like I don't know why, I felt that same feeling. I felt from like her first panel and giant size X-Men in 75, like it was just. It was the same feeling, but just realized, like this is Storm, this is Wolverine, this is Gambit, this is Rogue, like this is what this X-Men 97 show did so well in the first episode.
Speaker 2:Omega level threat detected. That was so, it was so sick. And she goes and takes, you know, she goes into her Storm monologuing Yep, you know, the only one that's allowed to monologue, absolutely, you know. You know, whatever she says, he'd my, he'd my command, send these. Whatever she says, it was brilliant, absolutely brilliant. She summons a giant tornado and just destroys these sentinels and you're just like holy moly, like you know. Again it goes back to the point about just these characters that have such a firm grip on what they're capable of. Like that's the thing, like I love that that we're in this universe where these characters just have a like that's always the superhero struggle, right, it is like not knowing what they're capable of, not knowing their full potential, like this is a group of characters that knows what their full potential are, yep, and I'm going to transition us right into episode two and what's makes storytelling great, like I alluded to before.
Speaker 1:So you, they're physically fine, let's destroy them emotionally, and that's how you build, that's how you do it. And we get to this episode two with Magneto. Everybody's emotional arc starts and they're all brilliant. They're all brilliant. So this centers around the trial of Magneto. You know, obviously, magneto had committed some more crimes. If you didn't remember, he tried to murder humanity multiple times, including the last rebellion against humanity after the assassination of Charles Xavier. And you know, one thing this accentuates really well is their relationship. Man, it's just. It's such a thing where you know you don't, you don't have to see him, charles doesn't have to be a lot, which obviously Charles is probably going to come back for the show. However, you know you don't have to see it, but you feel their relationship so much through all these other characters seeing like some of them are fine with it. Because he said you know he raised you like this was my best friend that I loved, like I loved this man, like this was my best friend in the entire world. He was in.
Speaker 2:He was in my thoughts and I was in his thoughts.
Speaker 1:Yep, you know.
Speaker 2:I love that conversation the first conversation that he has with Rogue when you know he says, you know, I made this helmet as a means to prevent, you know, him from intruding. But and Rogue makes the point like maybe you just built it because you were afraid of what would happen if he did get in your head again, like you're afraid that you would like care again and I the Magneto Rogue stuff is super interesting to me. It is very interesting we get to the end of the episode, very, very interesting, and you know it's.
Speaker 1:You know what this episode does. Well, is this episode? If I were to summarize it, it's byproducts. It's the byproducts of everything that's going on. I mean, you talk about the Magneto stuff. What's the byproduct? It's Scott's infurity like infurity, you know, showing itself. It's you know it's immediate question. It's immediate question. It's. It's the big world in universe, big world implication.
Speaker 1:So now we're going to let this man who attempted to murder us try to lead the X-Men. This is going to propagate more hate for them as well too. You know it's the X-Men looking at themselves in a mirror too and saying you know we're going to fight for ourselves for the end of the day, but you know it is tough waking up to be us the whole time. And then it's the human aspect on top of that too, which is super interesting. I mean, we get the execute sharing this as well too. You know part of the FOH, not that FOH, the Friends of Humanity, your Friends of Humanity from Marvel Comics. But you know we get the Warlock. What is it? The Warlocks in here? You know your leech from Marvel Comics. He's him. But you know, like I said, it's all about the byproducts of what. You know what happens for everything. There's a consequence for every action and you know, using the screenwriting, chefkopf's gun, like this episode, does it very well, specifically with Storm. Specifically with Storm, it does it exceptionally well.
Speaker 2:And you know, is a great kind of as awesome and as satisfying as that set piece in episode one is. There's a reason. It's a direct setup for what happens with Storm in this episode, in which the executioner shows up at the trial with the attention. Yeah, he's got a magic magic gun. Not a magic gun, it's a science gun.
Speaker 1:But science is magic, but we don't know what it does to be fair.
Speaker 2:We think he's going there with the intent of assassinating Magneto because he's called the executioner.
Speaker 1:It's so what George Lucas said. Just like poetry, they rhyme like just talking about this right now. It's even deeper than the face front, oh my God. So you know, just to jump forward. So this gun takes away the power of a mutant. It's the inhibitor collars that go on. It's just, it's a permanent inhibitor collar that's cellular based.
Speaker 1:So now you're the X-Gene is now suppressed inside of you and you know, again showing full arc of these characters, and you know where Storm's at in her life and her arc in this show. She takes this bullet for Magneto, which she never would have done before, but just shows you how far Magneto has come to himself, like how far he's come, and you know it's almost like murder would have been a better option for her because of how. You know it's the thing I talked about with Scott you know Scott got these powers and immediately, like it's not, like you know, gene can hide, like some of them can, like Scott couldn't hide. Morph can hide, but at what cost? Beast can't hide. You know Storm could hide, plausibly, but she had made this such a part of herself which she should. It's, it's, it's her, it's just her at the end of the day. So and she wields such power.
Speaker 1:I mean Magneto says it to her Just like you said, like a megalovac threat detected Like Magneto says it's her Like.
Speaker 2:You are the closest thing that our kind has to a goddess because of what you can do. She has that conversation with.
Speaker 1:Gene before all this. What an incredible conversation that is too.
Speaker 2:Where she's. Like you know, I understand why you want to walk away, but I'm, I'm. This is who I am. My powers are my identity, because that's I've grown to love them and you know, appreciate what they've brought to me, which is this family. And, like you, know just the tragedy of what she does when she takes that shot for Magneto and she's, she's lying on the ground and she says, like I can't feel the wind, like I can't feel the elements, like they're gone.
Speaker 1:And then they do something. So you know, heartbreaking later when you know they do the elements like that jump, scare, crack of lightning and you think the power is going to come. And it doesn't, it's just the windows open. And she this is her departure from the X-Men.
Speaker 2:But her losing her powers paves way for just an absolutely masterclass of the scene featuring Magneto.
Speaker 1:Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2:Where he oh my goodness you know he's obviously uncollared. He sees Storm take this shot for her and he just he's had it.
Speaker 1:And he's going to revert. He's immediately going to revert back to old Magneto.
Speaker 2:He preps the executioner up on like a, basically on the UN symbol, magneto's very, magneto's very he's very flashy, he likes, he likes a stage.
Speaker 2:So he grabs him, grabs the UN council, the judges, lifts them up to the sky and he's like I could smite you with a single step and it would be so easy to do that. But a good friend told me to admire this view of the earth and realize, you know, he says, basically says like how small we make the world in light of how vast it is. And he's like I want to, I want to do better. And it harkens back to his conversation that he had with Rogue, when Rogue tells him like I didn't demand their trust, I earned it and I just love that. When he gets up there with all of them and the tear rolls down his, his, his cheek, you know, and he's because you could, he's struggling, you can tell he's struggling like genuine struggle of he wants to. Everything in him is telling him to just decimate, decimate all of these humans because of what they've done, you know, to storm. Because he, before he takes them up there, he says like you know, the X men have, the X men are the best of us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they imagine protecting beings that, once you'd gone, dead, destroyed, incinerated, executed, and they still go out of their way, on a planetary level, to protect you day and day out and now look what you've done to her.
Speaker 2:Like you've made her yeah.
Speaker 1:Like I said, that was why I really wanted to make that point, like death would have been a better sentence than having her lose and stripped forcefully of our entire identity because of hate. Yeah, imagine we're talking about a quote unquote kid show like this.
Speaker 2:It's crazy, right. It's just a testament to how good it is and it's the scene juxtaposed with life.
Speaker 1:You know, and I you know, it's not just life, coming from Nathaniel Summers, it's the life and the death, it's the, it's not, it's the bore, it's the. You know, it's the death and rebirth. You know, one mutant go, one mutant come. It's just just like poetry at rhymes Logan, he's here. Who Apocalypse the show does, it is funny.
Speaker 2:It's. So yeah, it still maintains that. That that nineties camp humor that is just really well written and well delivered. Logan driving her around town to the hospital, scott gets there and the bait you find out the doctor won't deliver a mutant baby.
Speaker 1:It's just the subtlety. Like I said, like this is, like this is how much it mirrors reality.
Speaker 2:Yeah, x-men has always been such a perfect allegory.
Speaker 1:Since the inception, that was the entire point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and this, you know, doesn't shy away from it, which I really appreciated, that they didn't lose that element. You know, I think the opening, the whole opening sequence of episode one with Sunspot is, you know, perfectly handled in that regard, like the guy's Sunspot says, I'm one of the good ones, which is, you know, a piece of dialogue that reverberates through society, like our society, like people know what the connotation of one of the good ones is, quote unquote, like you know what that kind of insinuates. And you know the fact that they threw that in there is not accidental, there's no there's an even to go for it.
Speaker 1:There's no accidentals in the show. There's no things that were thrown in there to sound cool or this means something. Yeah, x-men comics for the most part it's always meant something.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, they the doctor refuses to deliver Jean's baby, so Rogue comes in there, steals the medical knowledge. She's rightfully terrified of doing that, because A she's doing, just doing this, and it shows the family aspect, because they said we trust you, bro.
Speaker 1:And again, just like poetry at rhymes, just how she said I didn't, you know, I didn't do things to you know, get I. I earned their trust, like at the point you were a villain to them before and they're now willing to let you, with your power set, deliver this baby Like you. Just show how you know how close they are to each other.
Speaker 2:And then, while Magneto is monologuing, we super cut between Jean having the baby we see Magneto and Rogue together have in a moment. That breaks Gambit's poor heart. Sure, he's holding the Queen of Hearts card as he sees Rogue departing Magneto's chambers. And tough, tough, tough two episodes for my man, gambit.
Speaker 1:He's getting cooked on the basketball court. He probably didn't have a left or anything, he's just um, and then we get to.
Speaker 2:You know what all great serial TV shows do? Gotta end it on a cliffhanger, right.
Speaker 1:We didn't even talk about Storm's departure as like a whole, Like the entire scene, just you know it was.
Speaker 2:Jean says to her you know she talks to Hank and Hank says essentially like your power loss is permanent, which breaks Storm's heart.
Speaker 1:Jean hugs her and says me and Scott are not going to leave until we fix this, until we cure you and you know, Aurora says well, I'm leaving because I, you know, like I told you earlier, like I would not have found this team without my power, and now my power is gone. So I must, I must go on a on a different path. Now this is not my path anymore, Though I don't know who you can do the acting like this and something like this.
Speaker 2:I don't know the acting can be had this well, tremendous.
Speaker 1:I mean, you know, alison Sealy Smith has such command of Storm at this point, like she's, she's doing the character with, essentially with the bullet, like it's the strike, but it's like the bullet hole, that, like it's just wow, she has such command of the character after doing the character for 30 years across across multiple media.
Speaker 1:It's just such a juxtaposition from the end of the first, because the end of the first episode so hopeful, like, hey, these are the X-Men. We're going to have the, the serial weekly trials of the X-Men. Can they trust Magneto? Can they trust Magneto? It's so much deeper than that, it's just infinitely deeper than that. And you know it's just, you know it's. It's the and it's the little things too. It's the, it's the morph, knowing that. You know it's that little bit where you know Wolverine's looking outside.
Speaker 1:You know the. He's looking outside after Jean gives birth and you know Jean looks up and he's gone again and he's going. His heart is broken. The woman that you love, after how long of a life you've had, she's living her life out without you and you can't do anything about it. I don't care how long you live, you can't do anything about it. You know it's the, it's the piece of. You know rogue and Magneto. Like we find out that Magneto can touch rogue because of his powers, he can actually, and you know it's something so, like I said, so, human or the Homo Superior for the mutants, like just something. It's just longing for touch, like something so simple that he can provide her, now that Gambit can't, unfortunately, you know, it's just the we're getting this out of an X-Men animated show on Disney plus like, yeah, they do such a good job with all.
Speaker 2:I mean to your point about Morph, like he goes outside and hangs out with Wolverine, turns into Sabertooth so that him and Wolverine can kind of roughhouse a little bit, get Wolverine's mind off of everything. And then you know Jean, the letter from Storm starts in Aurora's voice and it ends with Jean reading it and and all the X-Men are properly, properly upset. And then Morph says you know she'll be back, like this isn't going to keep Storm down, she'll hang out with the common folk for a bit and comes back. And then there's a ding. And then they do the.
Speaker 1:WandaVision episode five.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they get the door.
Speaker 2:Yep and Morphe is like see, look, look, look, she's already back. They open the door and You're Jean Grey from Marvel Comics.
Speaker 1:I need to see, but Jean Grey from Marvel Comics is already in the room. I need to find the X-men, but we oh boy, oh boy was James Marsden's whole stick just yelling Jean for all the X-men movies, the live action ones. Well, that brings me into our next topic for today. Are you done talking?
Speaker 2:I mean, I mean it's great, it's great, it's awesome we're getting ten of these.
Speaker 1:I was buzzing after this of these two episodes.
Speaker 2:So we're getting eight more of these across the next eight weeks, and I Can't wait. I can't, I can't wait, I think this, I think this show is Weekly viewing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I really do.
Speaker 2:Yep, which sounds insane to say about an animated show, but I really I think they've they've successfully captured the Saturday morning cartoon feel of like I have to see the next episode. Yeah, I'm, I'm super impressed. Right, I was super excited for this. I mean the buzz of when that, when the opening credits hit, I mean it's, it's one of the greatest theme songs in the history of music.
Speaker 1:John Wasserman or Ron Ron Wasserman. But you got to know that Fiege's heights, for lack of a bet, you got to think that the mutant button and if Deadpool 3 hits the way it is, if Deadpool 3 makes 8 plus, 800 plus Excuse me, nice, if it makes 800 plus, you got to think that Fiege's like we need to get this mutant thing rolling in fast, like get the X-men and the fantastic for like a meat, like the immediacy of this could be the Renaissance.
Speaker 2:This could be the Marvel Renaissance the X-men could be yep, but yeah, there's a something better than this. This has been an idea we've been kicking around for a while, just because I don't know we Hate our son like this. But we've been talking about some X-men related things for a while, so why not talk about the best X-men thing that's ever happened? Is it X-men's?
Speaker 1:class. No, it's an X-men days of future past. No. No is X2 with Brian Cox no no. No it?
Speaker 2:does it Logan?
Speaker 1:No is it Deadpool one or two.
Speaker 2:No but it. But it has elements of all of those things. What, what could it be?
Speaker 1:you said the best. Thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so in 2009. Oh no, almost a year removed from Iron man, their Marvel, marvel Fox, marvel Fox, marvel, adjacent is riding high. They love, they love the X-men.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, because that third last stand was so good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it makes the X-men makes the big bucks. But who of the X-men makes the big bucks? Hugh Jackman from lame is around. Yes, hubert Jackman himself. They said what if? What if we just did a Wolverine movie, guys?
Speaker 1:Huh, everybody's like oh heck, yeah, yeah and right, I'll do you one better.
Speaker 2:What if we put everyone's fan favorite character Gambit, in said Wolverine?
Speaker 1:movie. Even though he doesn't have anything to do with the narrative, he's gonna be in this movie. Yeah, people love Gambit perfect. Why couldn't saber tooth get the adamantium if he has the same powers as Wolverine?
Speaker 2:What if we got? What if we got? What have you got?
Speaker 1:leave Shriver in the movie leave your leaf Shriver from the voice of NFL films.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, what if we got will? I am in this movie. You're boy am from the black eyed peas. Black eyed peas were big in 2009. Hey, words of what, and lo and behold, you put all the. What if we got Ryan Reynolds to play Wade Wilson?
Speaker 1:What, what a great fan casting that will never pay off in any fashion, you know. Wait, listen.
Speaker 2:Wow, yeah, what. You put all those elements together, give me a hundred and fifty million dollars in 2009. Two thousand nine dollars, two thousand nine dollars, that's all. That's a lot of money. And lo and behold, x-men origins Wolverine is born.
Speaker 1:I must have to admit something I was tricked. I was. I was Obsessed with this movie when I was a job. I was a dumb. I was a dumb little. What 2009? I was a dumb little, ten year old when this movie came out, and I was 18, see. So you don't have an excuse.
Speaker 2:I'm 18, yet I'm still 17. Okay, so you have an excuse.
Speaker 1:You couldn't legally vote yet and you can smoke cigarettes yet. So you were dumb little kid and I was a dumber littler kid at the time. So we were, I. I don't. I just thought this movie was the peak, when this movie came out.
Speaker 2:I thought it was going to be. I was like hell yeah, wolverine song what? Wolverine is the best part of the X-men movies? I said when I was 17, right.
Speaker 1:Were you wrong? Yeah, well, I mean yeah. Um, it was the most popular, though.
Speaker 2:Yes, I'm far, by far. I'm feeling good.
Speaker 1:Iron man came out eight months ago, yeah but Iron man just started with here's the, here's the big dogs, the act the Fox.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no way. Chris Evans betrays them and goes. Does another character no?
Speaker 2:no, couldn't happen, no way. I was like ah man great good they're doing. I didn't care. I didn't even care about casting. At that point I was like I'm pretty sure Saber 2 is a different guy from the last X-men movie, but I like this guy's better yeah this other guy's better from the Manchurian candidate. Yeah, I didn't care about it Really sure I were from future.
Speaker 1:Ray down of it. I'm in, I'm all the way.
Speaker 2:They're putting Gambit in this. Yeah, you're cool. I'm like yeah, gambit, I love game. I actually made the animated series. I go, I love Gambit. They did those characters singers. Mm-hmm, that went way too hard right, I just thought this movie I mean I knew this movie was the greatest thing ever and then I watched it Woof now good, oh man, yeah, I mean, this movie was plagued by so many things studio oversight, let's start there studio oversight for sure, this movie got leaked.
Speaker 1:Oh, I remember retroactively knowing about the movie got leaked.
Speaker 2:Yep, this movie got leaked. The visual effects are all over the place.
Speaker 1:Some of them are just unfinished, they're just not done, which is crazy done. You know what? The sickest thing about the visual effects not being done is they CGI Wolverine's claws multiple times for most of the movie. Yeah, they didn't. Cg is claws for a lot of the original three movies. They just had them do the hand grips and then they would only CG when they came out and it looked infinitely better in those movies. So why don't just copy paste, put it in this movie from the same studio? I don't know man.
Speaker 1:That would be too difficult.
Speaker 2:Um, the beginning, the first 20 minutes of this movie are fine. That's a hot take, I guess.
Speaker 1:The opening sequences. A lot of people's like really cool openings. It doesn't do the amazing spider-man 2 thing where the opening sequences is fire. Opening sequences pretty good, like do the war stuff where they're just, you know, soldiers at every war. Yeah, imagine being in World War one and then being in World War two and you're just like the exact same from 30 years ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's pretty funny actually. But even like going further than that, the the opening like a height heist. I guess you got a heist. That's pretty good. That's good stuff. It's like dumb fun stuff, like I, it's early 2000s nonsense.
Speaker 1:But we weren't in the early 2000s.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but ignore that. But it's hard to. It's hard to. But you get this. I mean you get to. I mean it's great establishment of like that's. They should have just done the team as the movie, the team should have just been the movie.
Speaker 1:And the team has turmoil amongst the team, yeah, but like you see more war stuff like this, you know what this movie should. This movie should have been a war movie. You should have approached this as like a, as like a period war movie. I think this movie plays a little bit better, cuz Logan plays as a Western, it's like a noir. You know lone gunslinger at the end of his rope gunslinger. Oh, I said it twice, but you know what I mean. Yeah, this movie probably plays a lot better as like an actual period piece.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, we get to like the opening scene. We get to see what all the guys can do. Mm-hmm, you know, fred Dukes can put his arm in a tank and yesterday friend. I love her. Shut that guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, agent zero. He can shoot guns real good, but he also is like flippy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, like what's his power? Like hi vert, what's the difference between him and Deadpool or Wade Wilson? Well, that's, I mean, that's my next dumb question to ask what?
Speaker 1:what's Wade's initial mutant power? Cuz Wade wasn't a mutant before. I don't know, dude, I don't know, I don't know. This movie's gonna make me mad. What's Wade's power? He's real good with swords. That's just dumb power. That's like you know how, like the whole thing for the X-Men is like their powers are like. It's like the evalute, like if their powers fulfills a need.
Speaker 2:I mean, he has Some level superhuman reflexes right, but like it's dumb.
Speaker 1:He cuts a bullet in half, but he hits two guys behind him. That he doesn't.
Speaker 2:I don't know. He sees them while he sees them through the reflection of his sword. But that's stupid. He can, I guess he can perceive. Can he can perceive time differently, was he? Like prescience cuz he can see. No, he's a, he's a reverend mother. Well, cuz he can see the bullet coming off the reflection of his sword and know to cut it in half, is this power being like a funny guy?
Speaker 1:Is that actually?
Speaker 2:I think that's Ryan Reynolds superpower actually. Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 1:Um, I don't understand this. Should we talk about the Deadpool in the room?
Speaker 2:Yeah, just offer it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's just get. Let's get the. Let's get the tough stuff out of the what, why, how? Because it wanted to be cool. There's nothing cool about it? Yeah, there isn't. It gets probably the dumbest thing you could have ever even a met. Not only are you putting a muzzle on Deadpool, you're putting a muzzle on Ryan Reynolds. What are?
Speaker 2:you doing? Taking away, like all of his physical, anything. Defining anything? Yeah, shaving his head? Yeah, not really, but you know, giving him all of the powers.
Speaker 1:It's like a dead pool, ah.
Speaker 2:Did you like the bit? But he shoots the optic blast and it makes the Deadpool Diamonds on his eyes, nope. Nope, they said. Say we can do Deadpool, yeah, no, look, we gave him the eyes, yeah because it's dumb and it's stupid.
Speaker 1:Much like the rest of this movie. It's kind of stupid. I couldn't it's. So I mean this might have been one of my favorite. Like this is oxymoronic, but this might have been one of my favorite rewatches I've ever had in my whole life in a weird way.
Speaker 2:Did this not pave the way for Deadpool that we have now?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, we didn't get that we went to got Deadpool and we don't get this Wolverine movie, like the Wolverine and Logan aren't what they are, because it also the biggest offender of all of this and maybe the greatest byproducts it's probably Deadpool. But for my point, you know what? The greatest byproduct of this? We didn't get any more these stupid X-Men origin movies. You know what we got. Instead, we got the only X-Men origin movie that actually mattered and I can argue I'm taking Logan away from this in Deadpool, the actual X-Men movies, x-men first-class might be the best X-Men movie that we've ever gotten. We would not have gotten that movie if it were, if we just kept rattling because we would have got the Cyclops one. We would have got the Magneto. The Magneto one Yep, no bueno, on the Cyclops one would have been just like watching Riverdale, I think also the X-Men origins tie-in video game is arguably the best superhero game of all time.
Speaker 2:That game is incredible. It's basically God of War but Wolverine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not bad. That game is amazing.
Speaker 2:So, weirdly enough, this terrible X-Men movie is is paved the way for a lot of great X-Men related things.
Speaker 1:Sure, when I got the modern-day X-Men, you know obviously the crash in burden for, like the modern-day live-action action it's. It started strong start and then they paid off with days of future, days of future past, one of the greatest team-up superhero movies. Yes, that movie's money. But, man, what were they doing in here? As a movie? Not not great, it's not good. Agent zero what, oh my god? What's the coverage in this movie? Should I talk, filmmaker? What should we talk? What do you want to talk?
Speaker 2:about. Do that. Do that, it's stupid.
Speaker 1:It's so dumb. It's just, it just doesn't make sense. The CGI is horrible. The the coverage is just just dumb. I guess it follows the rule of thirds, but it's like, if I explain the rule of thirds or not the rule of thirds, it's like I've explained like the 180 rule to like a child like this is the best, like I just don't get it. And like you know what pisses me off? You jackman didn't deserve this. Like, what did he do to deserve this? Is this like first, like I'm so glad he got Logan Because, like, imagine, like it was just this and then they stopped. There's, there's crazy zooms.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, it's so stupid.
Speaker 1:It's so dumb.
Speaker 2:There's so many crazy zooms in there. There's so many cuts. Cut that scene when zero and striker show up at the lumber yard and him and Wolverine are just talking. There's like 60 cuts just in the course of this conversation, like back to you, back to you, back to you. Then there's a weird point and zoom shot when zero shoots the cigar to Wolverine's mouth. This is the whoosh they do. They love them. A whoosh sound effect.
Speaker 1:I was, I was losing it. And the end, when you know Will or strikers, just like we need to activate the Deadpool. And then no effort in the after he says just do it. That didn't add up to the line you just said before. But they like cut to his face and it was like a Was there a sound effect for a cut? And like a high budget action. The heck was that. That doesn't belong here. This movie is Ludicrously absurd and, speaking of ludicrous, who's another person that wraps? Sometimes it's will. I am, well, I am. What are you doing here, man? What is that hat? What is that hat?
Speaker 2:I'm a beach ass now Victor and then dies just immediately packed. He plays Castro, by the way, just in case anyone didn't know who is.
Speaker 1:Wraith yeah, from Mar, your race from Marvel Comics yes, doesn't matter man, he's ruined.
Speaker 2:He gets packed up by super-tooth. Also Leaves driver is incredible in this.
Speaker 1:Okay so let's actually talk about the best part of this movie, and that's leave driver. He's so good. You know I leave driver so good because he doesn't give one crap about he. He's probably the only one that read this thing, like read the screenplay and was like this is dumb, like this doesn't make any sense. But I'm here because it's my job.
Speaker 2:You know what he should have been. He should have been legacy casting. He should be. He should have been like saber tooth. For like the rest of time, he should be the saber tooth. But Hugh Jackman was the Wolverine, but it never happened Because he couldn't get out of this, get out of this X-Men origins thing and his like brace, except I was gonna say right down as leave driver like a high cinema actor.
Speaker 1:So like he probably did this, he's like never, never again. He's.
Speaker 2:He knows he has the proper amount of like menace as saber tooth when he like he just shows up that because it's not his fault.
Speaker 1:But it's the dumb, he's just lurking and he's just everywhere. He's always just like, yeah, he's just around, just like peering and looking, and then you like shows up and like murder somebody. Oh, the funniest one is the will. I am one, because it's like and like, all right, here's my okay. Okay, all right, wolverine is so much less All right. So Hugh Jackman plays like six different Wolverines in this movie. Like it's like six different versions of Wolverine. Like he's either too mad or he's not mad enough. He's either too long lone gunslinger, not lone gunslinger enough. He's either too attached to somebody, but not enough to attach to somebody to be like you're my wife that just died. But I'm kind of not emotional right now, so I'm just gonna walk out and then take my shirt off and go fight my brother again. I don't know this movie so stupid. I can't stand this movie. This is the first time we've ever had to do this. And now I'm upset, now I'm getting mad. Why is why I am in this movie? Because why is gamut in this movie?
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, let's talk about gamut.
Speaker 1:You take, game it out of the movie, the movies, the literal exact same movie. The only thing you have to do is get Wolverine to the island, which you would have just figured out a way to get to the island, anyway, or you know what? You know what makes me mad, what? You know what? Why Wolverine's wife was murdered? Yeah, his friend is murdered. We're even friends who him and will I? Am they friends? They were co-workers, yeah, so like it's co-worker, like he's kind of cool, like they talk sports.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean, like his core. Yeah, he was kind of cool with gets murdered by his brother in front of them, but then he like jokes about the claws. I'm like, did he not just murdered like people that you care about? I got up aren't you mad?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you and you and John Wraith were about to go on a revenge mission together, right and like you're like fine, like, oh my god, gambit, all right, so right.
Speaker 1:So the scene starts Gambit's got the stupid hat on and he's in the thing. He's a gambit from Louisiana and he's just like from knowledge, whatever right. And Wolverine's like. I'm like Wolverine, aren't you on a? You're very happy for somebody. That's why was just murdered. So this movie is totally just stupid. So why is gambit so involved with this? Good, did he take my? What happened? Wolverine was chocolate, he was, he was chatting with him. He throws the card just why is gambit?
Speaker 2:because gambit escaped the island. He's the only mutant who's ever escaped the right right. So the Wolverine's like I'm hunting down Victor Creed and gambit's like I don't know who that is. He's like well, what about William Shryker? And gambit's like doesn't ring a bell. He's like well, I know who you are, gambit. And gambit's like that's it. Card to the chest, kaboom.
Speaker 1:You know how gambit's powers work and then in the alleyway rate that's just being murdered, you.
Speaker 2:Know what I was going to tell you, john, you're predictable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I actually love Lee Fiber in this season. He's actually a sexy. I can feel your spine.
Speaker 2:John dead? I don't know. Do you like they be like crush it, like a, like a bamboo stick, like he would just be like paralyzed.
Speaker 1:I mean I would probably kill you. But like, why wouldn't he just stay like in his like, in that form, like can he, how long can you hold it? For I don't know how strong is Victor? This is something we have to address. The power scaling in this movie, absolutely God knows what sense. So, alright, so okay. So the whole, whatever I do, that like okay, so like I this time, you know, I'm worked up, here's my thing right. So Victor, right, is always like stronger than Then. You know, then Logan, this movie, right, like he's always just the stronger older brother until he's not, until he's not. But that should happen probably later in the third act, where Wolverine, like you know, gathers himself in rallies and big third act rise up. They do this like an hour into the movie. So, like, why is he afraid of Victor to any capacity? I don't know, it's not like you can hurt him anymore. He's got the adamantium skeleton. What's Victor's motivation in this movie and why does he have the worst motivation in any superhero movie ever? He's a villain, um.
Speaker 2:I mean, apparently it's revealed at the end of the movie that he the whole reason he signed up with striker was to Get he was gonna be weapon X. I think okay. And then strikers, just like we ran the tests, you wouldn't survive it. That might have. I think that's his motivation, the entire movie. But also, if that's his motivation, why did he put Logan on the track to be weapon X by accident night, by fake killing silver fox? I just don't. It doesn't make an unless striker double-crossed him.
Speaker 1:Oh, Striker double-crosses everybody, every single person in this is not one person he didn't double-cross and that one general that gets skewered by him. Maybe the worst death in the movie, because, dude, you didn't see that coming from a mile away, the big sword on the big sword on the table. He turns around to the table, picks up. It's just, I know you're older but buddy.
Speaker 2:I need to protect the country from all threats foreign.
Speaker 1:So we were just watching the clip before and I said, if he says domestic, I'm gonna lose, and then he's like domestic, I'm like foreign and domestic.
Speaker 2:But um, no to your game. What they could have done, they could have. They could have gotten rid of several goofy things. If you just take gambit out of the movie, because then John doesn't have to die, it's, it can fly Logan to the island.
Speaker 1:It's totally the and then you can get killed on the island and who cares? It's totally the dumbest thing if Victor can kill him there. And, like I said, you know what, it doesn't make sense because it totally off, because he won't. And it happens multiple times. Wolverine shows up and they do the run at each other and Comes out differently. But you know Wolverines like all worked up and mad cuz his wife was just murdered We'll get to that in a second Jesus Christmas but his wife is murdered. So he sees the man that murders his wife. He's like, ooh, shiny. He's like, ooh, they are shiny, let's fight for him. He murt, you're not mad. And then game, it just shows up out of nowhere. I got my stick from the comics, look at me and I'm like okay, and then their friends John's murdered. He can't, he can beat Victor anytime he wants. So I don't know why this is an issue anymore.
Speaker 2:Well, like I told you, he he is about to kill saber tooth and then Gambit decides now is the time to get my lick back.
Speaker 1:The screenwriter said it's time to get my lick back.
Speaker 2:Like he could have. He could have, like, if he escaped this facility, right, he would recognize saber tooth and he'd be like, oh shoot, this guy that I just met is about to kill this other guy that tortured me. I should just let this play out, but no, he knocked me through a wall and I'm mad about it, because that screen, that's that that because I'm getting that TV spot what goes hard and I needed to.
Speaker 1:We need to shoot this scene.
Speaker 2:I need to do the thing with the shockwave couple am. This movie needs a third act? Couple of him.
Speaker 1:God, it's so bad and it's over the island, so stupid. All the mutants are at the island. Oh, you're Emma Frost and Cyclops and the other one from X-Men comics, aren't you? It's taking my bit and making it dumb.
Speaker 2:There's also yeah, cyclops is in this. God, get some money.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna put Cyclops in like major marketing for this movie. He has like six lines maybe of dialogue in this. I got to get the subplot in this movie. His subplot is Hearing professor X. Oh, we gotta get to that too. He's this dude. Oh my god.
Speaker 2:We didn't even get to the fact that this, just this, we this can't exist in the X-Men continuity.
Speaker 1:The movie wise no shot you're telling me, the movie that literally follows this movie has Emma Frost alive in the 60s. This movie takes place in the 80s and Emma Frost is visibly younger in this movie than she was. We didn't even talk about Wolverine's wife. So, fox, you're silver Fox from the next one. Shut up. I hate this bit. Now, that now is bit. That's all this movie is. Movies give me anxiety, okay so I was in this, okay, right.
Speaker 2:Who cares? Did you just call me Bob? You're.
Speaker 1:Okay, I said, bob, here's, I get it.
Speaker 2:They boxed, they did box. I like that bit. One's funny in that bit.
Speaker 1:All right, so she's murdered. Right, wolverine has heightened sense, senses, right? I don't care how emotional you are, dog, your brother saber tooth is a psycho. Right, there's not one cut, there's just blood. Yeah, you pick her body up and you're like he's the worst forensics analyst ever. He is. He is Batman would be disappointing. So you look down, you're like this has got to be fake blood. No, I'm, probably was real blood. I'm not the lie.
Speaker 2:He probably was probably real blood, but it was probably blood from a Dominic Moynihan's character. That's hilarious Anyway.
Speaker 1:You know what's even sucks even more about that if his senses are so good. You've you've been with this woman for how long you couldn't notice that wasn't her blood, you would think.
Speaker 2:The thing Wolverine can't do there was no cut marks.
Speaker 1:That's even an issue with this movie. You get stabbed and the knives or swords or claws just look clean or CGI that was decapitated and there was no blood.
Speaker 2:It was full of goo. But, yeah, silver fox dies. And then, plot twist, act three. Plot twist she's alive. She was working with striker the whole time. Yeah, for what?
Speaker 1:Oh, because of her sister, emma frost, who's alive in the 60s, and I don't know God. Okay, so striker my god. So Wolverine opens all the cages up and Sometimes like I'm still in this movie because I gotta set up my own movie that nobody's probably gonna watch. It comes out Um, Somebody told me to go left. And the funniest joke of the movie is whenever first like you idiot, you're blind, you can't see, I can't say like that what she should have. So just trust me.
Speaker 2:I heard Patrick Stewart in my head.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're Patrick Stewart from Next Generation.
Speaker 2:You're Patrick Stewart from the first Dune.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, right, you're James McAvoy, also from the Middle Dune. I didn't think I was going there. This Dune X-Men pipeline is much clearer than I thought it was. Anyway, back at the ranch, back on Three Mile Island.
Speaker 2:Radiation, whatever. Get back to the crazy scene with Striker and Silver Fox and Logan, because it's crazy, Right?
Speaker 1:so Logan's just like I'm going to use Mercy. And then, you know, triple Cross Victor's just in the pipes, just like peeking. He's just like bad upset.
Speaker 2:Whatever, I don't care, he did get very upset yeah and Victor's, just like where's my animantium?
Speaker 1:And he's just like the test results came back.
Speaker 2:That's Striker's like, but Logan just leaves. Yeah, logan's just like my god. He got sad.
Speaker 1:He got sad about what I told him. He was, just like my wife's dead, so I'm gone.
Speaker 2:And then just walks out. He just walks out and Victor's like you can't let him leave, and Striker's like I'm gonna. Yeah, For some reason Isn't Logan supposed to be like the most dangerous person? Well, he's got weapon 11 now, so it doesn't matter, I guess.
Speaker 1:And he has the bullets. He has the bullets in the next room. Just go get the gun and kill him if you want him dead. But I guess he doesn't care because it's not a part of the plans anymore.
Speaker 2:And then Victor's like give me the animantium.
Speaker 1:And Striker's like wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I got a super hot take. Why is Wolverine in this movie? This whole three mile island crap has nothing to do with Wolverine on paper because he already has everything he had to make weapon 11. So just do the weapon 11 stuff and the movie's over.
Speaker 2:Well, no, because he needed Wolverine's DNA for the final piece.
Speaker 1:But like he didn't get that when he had him as a soldier all those years ago, no, no, Well he didn't know he was going to make weapon 11 all those years ago.
Speaker 2:Well, he should have. I want to see how he managed to wrangle Deadpool.
Speaker 1:I'm not even mad about that. What scientists made it possible for you to mix all these mutant genes together in the 80s? I don't know. This is a stupid movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm curious to know how Deadpool got kidnapped in the first place.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you don't think Wade was standing on business? You don't think Victor's getting limbs cut off? I know he's probably going to grow him back which means to the sick point. What do you mean? That he couldn't get the adamantium Because he ran the test.
Speaker 2:What?
Speaker 1:That's the crazy side of dialogue I've ever heard. I ran the tests. They came back. You can't get the adamantium. You're not strong enough. You're not strong enough. I'm like he literally has been stronger than him in the whole movie until he got or at the very least as strong as him, as strong as him and he got the. What does that mean? He doesn't have the motivation to survive.
Speaker 2:What Victor?
Speaker 1:Man thought it was ticklish when he got a firing squad in Vietnam and he can't survive that. But Wolverine can. Who's emotional and cares about fables about Wolverine's running around the sun? I don't know, man. This movie's stupid.
Speaker 2:So on Sabertooth, there we go. So Sabertooth grabs, well, because Silver Fox runs up and she's like he tricked us.
Speaker 1:We didn't even talk about the thing with Silver Fox and Victor.
Speaker 2:We're getting to it Okay, because she tries to basically tell Victor like Striker is actually the bad guy and Victor's like ugh.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm just classic. I'm going to murder you now, Like I did to everyone else in this movie. So it's established that Silver Fox has the mutant power that whoever she touches she can manipulate, including.
Speaker 1:Wolverine Right, the one that was too much, that was so much stronger than you that could receive the adamantium and you couldn't.
Speaker 2:So Sabertooth has her dendrites and she grabs him and says let me go. And he just says your mind games don't work on me.
Speaker 1:How, how Sway.
Speaker 2:What did he just? How? How? He doesn't even. There's no explanation, he just says it doesn't work. Psych, I feel like if I, like Iron man, got attacked by a magneto and magneto like tried to crunch Iron man like a Rubik's cube and it just didn't work, and Iron man be like your magnetism doesn't work on me, and then it ends because obviously I've probably explained that his suit isn't exactly.
Speaker 1:But whatever crap they pick, they just say this is even dumber than that. They're just way stupid. It just doesn't work, it just doesn't make any sense. So she screams and then Wolverine's my dead wife. That's alive, that I didn't.
Speaker 2:They're a girlfriend, boyfriend, they were like. Phinean? I don't know.
Speaker 1:They were at each other fables to fall asleep. That's pretty.
Speaker 2:And he walks in, he's back.
Speaker 1:And he rips his shirt off for some reason Offscreen.
Speaker 2:Offscreen Because I told you they had to get him in the suit. You know what?
Speaker 1:his suit is in this movie, that's Tang Top and Jeans. Yeah, that's the classic Wolverine. Look what classic Wolverine. Don't patronize me on here. Don't do that to me. That's a classic.
Speaker 2:Wolverine look. It is the classic Wolverine look. Remember the end of the movie? Yeah, hugh Jackman. Yeah, that's what we're talking about, victor.
Speaker 1:And then like it goes that 98 times in this movie. It's great.
Speaker 2:It hits every time. Hugh Jackman did not deserve this. And then he just bodied Saber Tooth, just destroyed him.
Speaker 1:He did it like multiple times in this movie, like Saber Tooth like becomes so inert at some point in this movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but this one's the worst because like they charge at each other and Wolverine just plows through him and drives him out a window and they crash down.
Speaker 1:What was the costume department on Britly on strike when this movie came out, because every time somebody does something they look perfect when they come out of the Like she gets choked and then her hair is perfect. Yeah, like Wolverine gets thrown through a glass thing hits a dusty ground and all the dust comes up and he's just fine.
Speaker 2:And then he's got Saber Tooth dead to rights again, and then he's just like no, no, I'm gonna do my own thing. Well, she yells from the balcony. She's like you're not a monster or an animal, whatever it is. And Saber Tooth is like, oh yes, you are. And Wolverine's like I'm not, though, goodbye, goodbye brother. Goodbye brother, I surely won't see you again.
Speaker 1:I love this little brother.
Speaker 2:So that's when he does the bit where he frees all the presidents. It's just.
Speaker 1:He runs across. It's so funny. Even when I was a kid that used to crack me up for no reason. Like he's just running, the music swells, he still looks perfect.
Speaker 2:The most forgettable score maybe in the history of movies, it's just so insert.
Speaker 1:It's so lazy.
Speaker 2:They all come out and then Wolverine looks at Silver Fox, she looks at him and then he extends his hand dramatically like follow me.
Speaker 1:You're the woman character, so you need to hold my hand to run across the hallway.
Speaker 2:And then he like it's weird, they do like a far zoom of the two of them running and he's like kind of jogging and she's like full sprinting and then the door opens Wade.
Speaker 1:Why would?
Speaker 2:a striker, find a way to shut you up. We don't even get that far yet, like, the door opens. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just weird ball.
Speaker 1:This really is just the duel of the fates scene, because he says go get out of here.
Speaker 2:It's just weird bald guy with red pants on shirtless Strikers watching this through like the, the clearest security monitor from 2009 ever. And then you realize weapon 11 is Wade Wilson Wade, he's got swords for arms. He's Baraka from Mortal Kombat he's got swords for arms instead of claws. Oh boy. Then it's on. Wolverine's like I've got this. And then you realize, uh oh, weapon 11 is a problem because striker types in engage. And then it's fight time, big fight time. And then they fight big fight. It's not a particularly good fight, but it's a fight. And then Wolverine gets the right idea to climb up to the top of the nuclear reactor thing, and then he's like let's see it come up here. And then you realize, oh no, weapon 11 has all of the powers. He uses Ray's teleport powers to teleport up and continues to kick Wolverine around and he's got Wolverine dead to rights. And then Sabertooth shows up and he's like I'm reformed.
Speaker 2:Nope, Nope, that's what he says he says no one can kill you except me. And he pulls Wolverine up and then we get a great call back to the beginning of the movie. When he goes back to back Wade's zipping around teleporting he only uses for someone who has all of the powers. He seems to only have two of the powers. Sure, three of the powers. Give it a second for the third one. That's what I'm saying. So I don't know how, where you got all of the powers, because at least three of the powers. So they're fighting and Wolverine's like I got him and Sabertooth's like no, you don't.
Speaker 1:They hit him they were like, all right, they got it. They got a good, good nick in, they got one good, and then he teleports to the other side. They're like, ah, come over here.
Speaker 2:Second phase of the boss fight or third phase. Third phase of the boss fight.
Speaker 1:Let me turn my eyes into the Deadpool mask eyes. Look guys, it's the Deadpool mask eyes and it's the Cyclops beams from the probably the X-Men origin Cyclops movie that's going to come out at some point.
Speaker 2:And their heat vision eyes. They're not after blast eyes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Because they're just cutting through things and Wolverine's claws like ignite and because they're hot.
Speaker 2:So Sabertooth's fighting, oh my God. And then Wolverine jumps up and just cuts Deadpool's head off. And then his eyes the optic eyes are still going as he's falling into the reactor.
Speaker 1:Destroy the reactor. He's the smart kick. He's smart to kick someone in the temple, oh my God.
Speaker 2:And then, and then, and then Gammit shows up, back up, and Sabertooth just leaves. I don't know what happened?
Speaker 1:How are the eyes still going? I don't get it. He's his head's gone.
Speaker 2:He's decapitated right yeah, so Gammit shows back up. Sabertooth leaves Adios little brother, so he's in Gammit. Sabertooth leaves Gammit inexplicably shows back up.
Speaker 1:And Wolverine goes. Why wasn't he already back in New Orleans? What is he doing there? I'm telling you he must have just been circling the plane around the island he did his like, he did his like side quest mission thing, and like now you can go back and be like a playboy in New Orleans.
Speaker 2:And then Wolverine tells him there's a bunch of kids trying to escape the facility. I need you to go find them and get them out of here. And Gammit's like okay. So Gammit runs all the way like across the island.
Speaker 1:It's also really dumb. So Striker gets the gun the thing. Oh yeah, we got to get the memories away from Wolverine because you know we got to make a mistake. No, no, no.
Speaker 2:Because this gun is built up as the thing, the only thing, that can kill him.
Speaker 1:Yeah but you know what's stupid? The nurse walk, the doctor walks in the room and she's just like no, you know, this can't kill him. And he's like but why would you but like, how do you, how do?
Speaker 2:either of you know, and the Striker goes. I know, but his memories won't grow back.
Speaker 1:That's the dumbest thing ever.
Speaker 2:It's a memory. It's a mind killer bullet.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no. It's just an adamantium shell bullet. And then in Logan he's just like I was thinking about killing myself with this thing. Which one is it? It's a memory killing bullet. That's the dumbest thing in human history.
Speaker 2:So Gammit runs all the way across the facility, just in time to watch the kids get on a plane. So the first Striker is there. Hello, I'm Charles Xavier.
Speaker 1:I'm from horrible, horrible, cgi.
Speaker 2:I have my legs, my legs work, oh, put oh my God, how, how is his legs working?
Speaker 1:They should have been gone.
Speaker 2:He also can't possibly fit all those kids on that one helicopter, but that's besides the point. Maybe he can. So Gammit gets all the way over there, just in time to do absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he just looks, nods and he's like, okay, all right, I trust you, you're bald and stoic yeah.
Speaker 2:Also, why didn't Gammit just go with Xavier? Why did he run all the way back to Wolverine?
Speaker 1:I got a tick on my new friend. That's kind of cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, gammit, just go with. Go back to New Orleans, it's fine. Or go with Xavier, you're Gammit from the X-Men.
Speaker 1:You got two options here and, like both options have to be better than checking in on the indestructible man with metal bone claws that you just met. Maybe be be in the X-Men Gammit or just go home, buddy. They go get a good night's sleep, like you're done. You did everything you needed to.
Speaker 2:The Gammit gun has to run all the way back across.
Speaker 1:Oh the sequence where Shrek is trying to kill Wolverine or wipe his memories. The funniest thing it's the little inner cut, because the movie making is bad or Shrek is just stumbling away.
Speaker 2:Like he. Just I think he was trying to kill him because he shoots him in the chest like four times, multiple times.
Speaker 1:That's not going to wipe a memory as a chest shot, yeah.
Speaker 2:It makes no sense. He meets back up with Silver Fox and he's like she's like, I love you, and he's like Well, she's like dying. Yeah, because she got shot, did she? Or stabbed, something happened? Oh yeah, she got shot in the firefight. When Cyclops is like let me point him at me or point me out of him, he says and Emma Frost takes his blinds, blinds and everything. He's like you know how Cyclops is? Yeah, you know how Cyclops is doing. You know how Cyclops is? He just fires off obstacles and blasts indiscriminately.
Speaker 1:Gambit X Machina for Wolverine and Celeris. You know what's funnier about it too. The way that the pillar was positioned would have been like a road runner. Looney Tunes would have like circularized like a random so it wouldn't hit him and he would be like that was close and Gambit wasted his special ability on that.
Speaker 2:But yeah, why is he there? Why is he there?
Speaker 1:Why is Gambit? Why didn't he leave? He could have been gone. What did you go back?
Speaker 2:to save Wolverine, come to Jesus moment. And he's like I love you, she's like I know Han Solo. And then Striker shoots Wolverine in the back twice and he's like Victor, he doesn't say that. He doesn't get real mad, though he charges at Striker. Striker's stumbling standing.
Speaker 1:Dude, he's like he's so scared the first bullet doesn't go. He's like oh shoot, I got to go man.
Speaker 2:And then Wolverine ramps up, jumps off a thing and Striker shoots him right in the face.
Speaker 1:A horrible move by Wolverine too. Yeah, why would you jump up like that to leave yourself vulnerable? I have the high ground. Like what are you doing, buddy?
Speaker 2:He's just a normal man with a gun.
Speaker 1:You fought in like 17 wars and this guy gets you. Yeah, the nerd from the science gets you. Come on, man, Striker shoots him in the head and then double taps him. I'm not gonna lie cool about Striker. One thing about Striker in this movie this just does stand on business. The whole movie.
Speaker 2:It's Wolverine in the head, and then he walks over to Silver Fox.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna murder you because I love betraying people. That's my art, not my hatred for mutant. They took the whole hatred for mutants out of this arc for Sabertooth. Sabertooth For Striker. Does Sabertooth hate mutants? He sure does. Capture heaps of them and kills heaps of them, kills heaps of them, so he gets. What does Sabertooth deal? What's his deal?
Speaker 2:He's gone, but like what's his deal? He's just a psycho.
Speaker 1:Like what's like, but like he's not in the beginning of the movie, like as kids, like he's like.
Speaker 2:No, but he develops psychotendance disease.
Speaker 1:But like I just don't understand, Like what's?
Speaker 2:like why can't he just go beyond that? You know what else? I don't understand. Striker, who has all this knowledge of what all these mutants can do, gets within grabbing this sense of the mutant you don't want to get grabbed by. He could have shot her from like 30 yards away. He shot Wolverine in the face.
Speaker 1:He had a marksman on Hall of Fame like this guy was a. It was Chris Kyle.
Speaker 2:Like just any range of. He probably could have shot Silver Fox from where he shot Wolverine from, but no, he had to get all up on her grill. And then all of a sudden you see the gun start turning towards his head and you're like, oh no, she got him. She got him and she goes. I shouldn't make you pull the trigger, but I'm not going to because that would make me know better than you. How is Charles walking? It's a psychic projection of Charles. That would have been much funnier.
Speaker 1:Who's flying the plane. What's the funniest X-Men that could be flying this plane? Cyclops, no, not like that. But who's the funniest one that could have flown the plane to the island Morph? Oh, it is Morph. That's why he's walking. It's just Morph. I had cannon. It's Morph. It's cannon, it's Morph. We knew it. The CGI is so bad when they're running. What is Camden doing there?
Speaker 2:Camden ran across the entire island for nothing. You know who could have flown the helicopter back.
Speaker 1:Gambit. Gambit could have flown the helicopter. Dude. I just wish you saw when they're all running a Professor X. This might be some of the worst looking thing I've ever seen in a movie. It's disgusting to look at.
Speaker 2:So yeah, silver Fox grabbed Striker and she's like I want you to walk for the rest of eternity.
Speaker 1:Shouldn't have died. You know what I've noticed about the entirety of the X-Men movies? You should be dead 48 times over, but somehow you just keep surviving.
Speaker 2:She says walk until your feet bleed and then keep walking, and then she just leaves or she dies. What happens to her?
Speaker 1:again. I think she dies Does she die?
Speaker 2:I'm pretty sure she dies. Go to the end. I know you're watching it. Go to the end. What happens to her? Does she die?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think she. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wolverine checks her pulse. She's like who is this woman? She just died. That's sex. Oh right, Because Gambit comes back. Gambit runs across, he looks at all the kids, he helps them get to find Charles. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying that Gambit came, he saves, wolverine, runs across the island, comes back and he could have just been drinking a margarita at a cool bar in New Orleans. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Could have been gone this time. Gambit got some cardio work in this day, yeah, so Gambit shows back up.
Speaker 1:And then Wolverine also just leaves so Gambit, there's no questions. And then the movie ends the movie just ended.
Speaker 2:Well, he has two questions for Gambit. What did he ask him? He says who are you? Who are you?
Speaker 1:And who am I? And that's it, and then he just walks over. He's just like Gambit's, just like Did we just have a whole third act?
Speaker 2:fight Gambit's like Wolverine goes who are you? And Gambit's like I'm a friend, we're cool.
Speaker 1:Shouldn't Wolverine revert back to the animalistic tendencies? That would have been an ending of this movie? He just starts going crazy. It's a capitance Gambit, oh my.
Speaker 2:God, that's an ending. Get us in the writer's room. And then he's like we're friends. And then Logan's like what's my name? And he's like Logan is your name. And then Wolverine walks over to Silver Fox and he checks her pulse and Gambit's like you know her. And Wolverine goes no and then walks away. Does he look at the dog tag too?
Speaker 1:that says Wolverine on it. Yeah, of course that was a contractual obligation to do that. And then he walks away and then the movie ends what's the statue of limitations on our powers? Because, remember, striker gets to some road and then they find him. They're like Colonel Striker, the heck are you doing?
Speaker 2:brother, this movie has two post credits. It does that's set up Nothing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what was that for the heck? Was that? Wait, what was that for what? The, the, the Striker stuff, the first post-credits scene. Yeah, like what did that do for anything? I don't get it. I don't know. Colonel Striker, where are you? Where are you going? Where are you going boss?
Speaker 2:And he's like, ah, wow, I'm snapped out of it.
Speaker 1:I am Striker. Okay, big soldier, and then Do you want to be a part of Weapon 12?
Speaker 2:And then we get a second post-credits scene and it's the rubble and you see Deadpool's arm and the sword retracts and then it pans to his head and his eyes are open and he goes shh. And then the movie ends.
Speaker 1:That post-credits scene floored me when I was a kid.
Speaker 2:You know, like what does that mean?
Speaker 1:You're Deadpool from there's, but no, surely they won't bring you back.
Speaker 2:Surely Ryan Reynolds won't. Won't leak, quote Ryan Reynolds unquote. Won't leak uh test footage of a Deadpool movie that was in development. Well, what?
Speaker 1:why did they play this as a post-credits scene with Striker? I don't, I don't get it. I don't get it.
Speaker 2:Was it supposed to set up, like the next X-Men Origins movie but which one, I don't know the Cyclops one.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, they wanted him in questioning for the death of General oh, the general that he stabbed. But like, why was that at the very end? Like, why was that the last part of the movie? That's stupid. Yeah, the oh god, who's your favorite? Who's your favorite Striker Him, actually, unfortunately it is him. Obviously. Brian Cox is Brian Cox. So they have some nerve putting Cyclops as, like, one of the main guys in this movie. But will I am not on the poster. That's hmm, I'm not gonna say it. That's gotta be racist. That's guys, gotta be racist. There's no way. Do we have to give this one awards?
Speaker 2:No, the whole movie is just undeserving. We don't have to give this movie awards. I refuse actually.
Speaker 1:Is this the first time we're not giving out awards? Yeah, out of anger.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it doesn't deserve it Despite.
Speaker 1:But Leaf Shriver's great Should I give you like three awards at random. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm just gonna I'm not even gonna think about it, I'm just gonna pick three random ones, yeah just pick three random ones.
Speaker 1:Pick three random ones and they're not gonna make any sense, but it's gonna be absolutely hilarious and I actually can't wait. What's the best ones to give you? Let's do this. What is the best thing to do? Favorite line.
Speaker 2:Ooh, I can feel your spine, Johnny.
Speaker 1:I'm just gonna pick from the same scene where he's like ooh shiny, did you?
Speaker 2:like murder my wife. Oh, no, no, no, I got one. I almost forgot. He holds up Wolverine's dog tags. I want new ones. What do you want him to say? Wolverine, that's the name of the movie. I want him to say X-Men Origins Wolverine.
Speaker 1:The best NPC Gambit. No, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Is it Wolverine himself?
Speaker 2:Now, the best NPC is the couple that talks to Darwin Moynihan's character and he's like does the light bulb gimmick and the guy's like freak. And then the girlfriend looks at him longingly Like I thought she was gonna end up in his trailer, like when Victor showed up, but like just nothing came of that.
Speaker 1:Um so we did Best Line, best NPC Favorite cameo. I guess that's a good one for this one. Patrick Stewart yeah, patrick Stewart is just so dumb and just but also the guy that might be, Quicksilver, but not even Quicksilver. Is my favorite cameo, Wolverine. Like is that a crazy piece to put?
Speaker 2:My favorite cameo is at the African Warlord.
Speaker 1:Sure, and is my favorite cameo Ryan Reynolds. God, god, god, this movie, this movie, this movie, this movie. Favorite character, taber tooth. Ironically, he is the best. There's just no fighting that. Unfortunately, unless you're Wolverine, you will fight that multiple times. Victor, victor, stryker, silver Fox, he didn't do that. One Best set. Oh, jesus Christ.
Speaker 2:Just kidding, we don't have to do that one Best exposition dump.
Speaker 1:Explanation of the weapons program. The Deadpool, the Deadpool, whoop, whoop. You said the thing. That's the name of the future movie Favorite planet, just kidding. Saddest moment when the movie started.
Speaker 2:When that old woman got sniped from 50 yards away.
Speaker 1:For no reason.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what did he say? Weapon X killed two civilians. Yeah, no, you killed. Why did you have to lie to Stryker about that?
Speaker 1:To get Stryker already hated him like. What's the point? Stryker was the one that sent zero.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't get it. It doesn't make sense. That whole sequence is really stupid too. It looks bad. Oh, can you talk about the scene with the claws, where he, like, has the revelation about his metal claws? Because it's just, it's just, it's gruesome to look at, not gruesome in a way that Logan's gruesome in a good way it's just it's crazy, I don't like it.
Speaker 2:Like what does he?
Speaker 1:what happened. But why is he like doing that with the claws? Like I get it, but like it's, but like it. Why does it look that like of any time? You could have just put the claws in his hands because you didn't have to have them come out of his like you picked that time to put to do the worst CGI in the whole movie and that's saying it's horrible.
Speaker 2:It looks genuinely horrible.
Speaker 1:It looks you know what's the worst part about it? Looking horrible? It looks unfinished, which is the worst type of because there's no effort, it's unfinished. They didn't finish it. Yeah, the whole middle of this movie is a fever dream. Yeah, all right, I'm done. I'm done. Yeah, me too. Favorite moment no the ending.
Speaker 2:No, I'm putting my foot down. No.
Speaker 1:Oh, you know what my favorite source material call back when he gets the freaking motorcycle from the old man and then the old man's murdered Yo he's.
Speaker 2:I got a 48. I got it off the line. He's like little young for that, aren't you son?
Speaker 1:Son, that was like when Captain America took the quen, yet that's the same thing Logan was going to do to him. Son, just don't. What a film, what a picture, what a picture.
Speaker 2:These are what the pictures are actually. Yeah, these are what the pictures are all about. So we've done the best X-Men movie that was 64.
Speaker 1:So Wolverine was about 158. He was about 370 years old by this time.
Speaker 2:And that's X-Men Origins, wolverine, the best X-Men movie.
Speaker 1:Some say who's the sum? I don't know. William Stryker, this is the best X-Men movie Because I was in it.
Speaker 2:I was the villain of this movie. This makes me miss Brian Cox.
Speaker 1:Let's finish what we started Wolverine. We got to talk about X2 one day, because that movie is actually good at what it does.
Speaker 2:Let me see. Let me see if there's some critical, uh, critical.
Speaker 1:Oh, can you do the thing where you find the reviews for the movie and then you read them and then I laugh Because that's a good bit.
Speaker 2:See if I can find some. Yeah, Try to think if.
Speaker 1:I have any more dumb questions for this movie and why I hate it. What have you been doing while you look for these?
Speaker 2:I finished Final Fantasy VII Rebirth Go to game. It's unbelievable. It's like the last eight hours are just incredible. I couldn't believe it. I finished, just like when you were watching X-Men Origins. I finished my playthrough at like 100, I think it's 102 hours and I did just about everything except for the stuff that's locked behind a second playthrough, like there's certain like combat challenges and stuff that you can only do the second time. So once again, just like Final Fantasy VII Remake incentivizes its new game plus, which I really like when games do that, because I typically don't do new game pluses. So I like when games like give you incentive to actually do them again.
Speaker 2:I mean, not that I wasn't going to anyway, but yeah, the game's amazing, definitely right now for me as front runner for Game of the Year, cody Christian, I think, has a good chance of winning some stuff for his performance as Cloud. He does a lot of really cool things throughout the game. He plays a lot of different. There's a lot of you'll understand this kind of reference, but I mean a lot of people will. But there's a lot of Anakin Skywalker in the end of the end game, of his performance, where he does a lot of character things Like. He does a lot of voice switching with his work that I really liked.
Speaker 2:But speaking of X-Men Origins, bill Gibran of AMC's Film Criticcom gave the film a positive 4.0 out of 5 stars. What Saying that, although Hugh Jackman is capable of carrying even the most mediocre effort, he single-handedly makes X-Men Origins Wolverine an excellent start to the summer 2009 season? He predicted there will be purists who balk at how Hood and his screenwriters mangle and manipulate the mythology and further said that any ending which leaves several characters unexplained and unaccounted for can't really seal the full entertainment deal.
Speaker 1:That doesn't sound like a 4 out of 10 to me, bill no you stipulated why the movie wasn't a 4 out of 10 and then proceeded to give it a 4 out of 10.
Speaker 2:Tom Charity's-.
Speaker 1:Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. He said this was a great start to a 2009 fest. 2009 summer yeah, wasn't it the same year that Avatar came out? Yeah, what is this guy yapping?
Speaker 2:about Tom Charity of CNN. Serviceable but inescapably redundant, this Wolverine movie just does just enough to keep the X-Men franchise on life support. But the filmmakers will have to come up with some evolutionary changes soon if it's going to escape extinction.
Speaker 1:Come on man, you're ridder than a pun at this point.
Speaker 2:AO Scott of the New York Times expressed that X-Men Origins Wolverine will most likely manage to cash in on the popularity of the earlier episodes, but is the latest evidence that the superhero movie is suffering from serious imaginative fatigue? The MCU said watch this, yeah, yeah. On a more negative note, philip French of the Observer said Wait, those were positive, yeah, interesting. Said that the film's dull, bone-crushing special effects stuff is of interest to only hardcore fans who've probably read it all in Marvel comics.
Speaker 1:That seems targeted. Yeah, what is that about? Yeah, what does that mean?
Speaker 2:Oh, roger Ebert, our guy the legend, gave the film two stars out of four and asked about the title character. Why should I care about this guy? He feels no pain and nothing can kill him. So therefore he's essentially a story device for action sequences. No lies were told. James Bird-Brrrd-Brard and Leni gave Wolverine two and a half out of four, calling the action scenes competently executed but not memorable. And considering that when dealing with Wolverine's past, there's little creativity, evident in the way those blanks are filled in, and that the revelations made Wolverine less compelling. Hmm, jesus, the aggregation on Rotten Tomatoes has an approval rating of 38% not bad, with an average rating of 5.1 out of 10. Higher than Batman vs Superman. Don't Adjust this Sight's critical contest. This reads, though Hugh Jackman gives it all, he can't help. X-men Origins Wolverine overcome a cliche written script and familiar narrative. Cinemascore gave the film a B plus average. A B plus Isn't that bad though, for CinemaScore Sure, but it's too high.
Speaker 2:Richard Corliss of Time commented on the film standing among other Marvel films, saying that it's an okay, not great, marvel movie that tells the early story of the prime X-Man and attempts to make it climax in a perfect coupling with the start of the known trilogy and also said that superhero mythologies can be so complicated only a lonely comic book reading kid could make sense of it all. Ouch, kinda hurt a bit. Peter Rayner of the Christian Science Monitor praised Jackman's performance, saying that Hugh Jackman demonstrates that you can segue effortlessly from a tuxedoed song and dance man at the Oscars to a feral jet with adamantium claws and berserker rage. Claudia Puig of USA Today considered the movie well-acted, with spectacular action and witty one-liners. Just read that one more time for me. X-men Origins Wolverine is well-acted with spectacular action and witty one-liners. Stomachmongerما it is well-acted with spectacular action with spectacular action and witty one-liners, sister forever man, what have you been doing?
Speaker 1:I'm trying to forget. This movie existed. No, how possible it was possible to do that. What have I been doing? I've been, you know I've, like I said, I've been trucking through Jedi Survivor a bit, game I quite enjoy. Quite enjoy that narrative, quite enjoy that universe, quite enjoy Cameron Monahan's performance in there too, which is which is pretty dang good.
Speaker 1:Trying to think what else I haven't, I haven't been doing too too much. I mean, you know I'm now I'm in an X-Men kick and you know I think what I'm gonna do now is I might be in a bit of a comic bit. I haven't, I haven't. I didn't step away from comics, but I haven't. I haven't been in great shade in the comics that I that I was, I had a great run. The X-Men show that I just watched earlier today really just helped with that too, with confirming that I really want to start. You know, just get back in the, you know reading some comics. Obviously I'm probably not gonna read anything new, because it's the worst. In my opinion, that's one of the worst ways to read comics unless it's like a number one of, like a new run on a character. Don't read the modern stuff. Find a run, find a character you like, find a run. That's a good way to start. Yes, I'm probably gonna. I might reread the Hain stuff.
Speaker 2:I think that was a great time to do some X-Men yeah, I mean, I, the Claremont stuff is so good.
Speaker 1:It is older so it's a little tough sometimes, but the Claremont stuff is really good. I, I, might, I, might, reread, I reread Mr Miracle. That's just. It's just such an incredible book that, you know, really, really changed my life. For lack of a better term, I'm trying to think of anything. Maybe kick through the Daredevil, the Chipsky Daredevil. That's just really good. I do want to read some older stuff, though. Support your local comic book shop to brothers and sisters and others.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree, next week, next week, I don't know yeah, we just do Wolverine who knows, it's either Wolverine we're doing X-Men Origins Wolverine again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're just gonna do. We're gonna do it twice. This time we're gonna lie and say this is what? If this is the perspective, this is the greatest superhero movie ever. I just thought the scene where you know your wife died, even though she didn't have any claw marks in her and there was. I can't believe he just overlooked it.
Speaker 2:She looks awfully clean for somebody that was just mangled by my psychotic brother like you know how saber-tooth kills people, and if she's covered in blood it's not like he snapped her neck or like anything like that. I don't know, man there's no rules or laws.
Speaker 1:Now I you know what I think. I think the Wolverine movie takes place in like a like a divergent timeline, like I don't think that actually takes place in like the actual Fox piece of the of the sacred timeline. Maybe Deadpool 3 will just incinerate that universe, that little sect of the dive. What was the thing? What was their canon event? Who and like that universe was it will. I am being in there. That's what I'm leaving. It at all right do the socials, because that was funny.
Speaker 2:You can follow us on Twitter at project INF underscore pod. You follow us on Facebook. You can follow us on Instagram at the project infinite pod. Like I said, next week we'll figure it out. Well, we'll definitely talk about X-Men again.
Speaker 2:X-men 97 yeah, x-men kick now it might be in our kind of weekly rotation where we kind of just chat about the episode and we'll definitely talk about the full season in May, when, when the full season it wraps up, because, it's like we said, it's pretty, pretty spectacular stuff these first two episodes yeah, very impressed, very, very impressed so we'll do that, and then you know, we'll see, we'll see what happens, we'll see, we'll see where we say where we go with next week.
Speaker 1:But until then, for me from the careful, don't say more from any really man. You say more for what I am from. Leaving my own rival podcast, let's see, and I'm gonna do a saber tooth to your Wolverine podcast. Actually I don't call me saber tooth either.
Speaker 2:I'm the Cyclops of the podcast. No, no, which one? The animated? Okay, perfect, I thought you meant from X-Men Origins, wolverine the right, the Ray Chase Cyclops?
Speaker 1:okay, perfect, don't take that he's just gonna lead here stands on this he does stand out business and the sequence is just awesome.
Speaker 2:I love it so much. But yeah, until then, we will see you next week.
Speaker 1:Goodbye to me my X-Men.
