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118 - Exploring the Fallout TV Series: Dark Humor and Apocalyptic Mayhem
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“War, War Never Changes.” From the creative minds of “Westworld,” Amazon has taken a crack at adapting another video game property with “Fallout,” and boy was it a revelation! Prepare to journey into the depths of the Amazon's gritty adaptation of the Fallout universe, where dark humor meets post-apocalyptic chaos. With a stellar cast giving excellent performances to the perfect balance of satire, dark humor and sci-fi weirdness, the debut season of “Fallout” is in our opinion, can’t miss. Take a listen with us as we give our general thoughts and break down the entire 8 episode first season. Before that, we tackle the latest Deadpool & Wolverine trailer, the trailer for Transformers: ONE and the news that Keanu Reeves will be voicing Shadow in Sonic 3! Timecodes are provided if you want to skip around to your topic of choice! Thank you to everyone who continues to support and don’t forget to subscribe to download new episodes as they become available and don’t be afraid to share a rating!
So, grab your Nuka-Cola, find a comfy spot, and let's revel in the shadowy brilliance of post-apocalyptic storytelling as only Fallout can deliver.
0:00 Intro
05:04 Deadpool & Wolverine Second Trailer!
13:14 Transformers: ONE Trailer
16:58 Keanu Reeves Joins Sonic 3 as Shadow
18:45 Venom 3 Release Date Moved UP
22:47 Fallout General Thoughts
31:52 Episodes 1 & 2
01:03:02 Episodes 3 & 4
01:19:54 Episodes 5 & 6
01:41:43 Epiodes 7 & 8
02:00:34 Season 2 Speculation
02:18:2 Signing Off
Topic for Next Week: Invincible Season 2
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Speaker 2:Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of the Project Infinite Podcast, a podcast covering the infinite and ever-expanding multiverse of fandom For movies, comics, tv shows, video games. We've got you covered. I'm Rob. I'm here, as always, with Court, court. We're talking about Fallout this week, and what a show. Oh, incredible.
Speaker 2:This was a show that obviously I was excited for. I'm always intrigued when a major studio, company, company, production company is gonna adapt a video game. I'm always curious to see how it goes. Um, obviously that comes with skepticism as well, but then we got that first trailer however long ago it was now, and we were both like oh, there's a, there's a look, there's a feel, there feels there seems to be a unique identity to this thing. Um, and then we got that first clip. Uh, probably about a month ago, we got the first clip of of of our main one. Two of our main, actually all three of our main characters show up in that scene that they showed, um of lucy in philly, um confronting the ghoul, and and then I was just, I was pretty much in from there. And then then the show came out.
Speaker 2:Um, amazon released all episode, eight episodes at once, which we'll talk about that. Um, you know, I know people have their varying opinions on that and I can see why. But that, but all the everything also feels like it was said in hindsight Um, I think this was actually a good idea to do this all in one shot because you know, you didn't know how it was going to be received. Um, you didn't know how it was going to be received, you didn't know how it was going to go. So it's a relatively niche kind of IP to adapt. So I think releasing the whole thing in one shot was actually a good idea. And then we'll talk about Season 2 at the end of this. But I think Season 2, maybe they go to one a week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And you.
Speaker 1:You know much to your point what you're trying to do in a season of a show where nobody you're not nobody, but you know your mainstream audience is it. You know inside looking out, it's everybody was kind of outside looking in for your mainstream people, where you need the attention grabbers and you need people to be able to be like, okay, you got to keep momentum rolling and I think they knew what kind of gem they had with episode one. Um, this is probably one of the best episode ones I've seen for a show where you know your, your audience that's never known anything about the fallout franchise goes in and can watch and be like, okay, now I'm invested into this thing. This is probably one of the best examples I've seen of that. This world was set, set incredibly. But you know what's funny about it too is I wasn't even at. You know, obviously the world is incredible. But it wasn't the world that really grabbed me. It was like you said, it was the feel. Like you get a distinct feel. Like I said, it's almost this. You know it's this weird.
Speaker 1:This franchise is kind of the definition of juxtaposition, like it's that 1950s, you know, perfect household backdrop of all this perfect society and post-war and all the good stuff of capitalism. You know, and we obviously know, that's not the truth. We know there's more that meets the eye that comes with this. So what a way to start, and I mean mean there's just energy. This show has energy, uh, weird energy, um, it has. It's funny but it's. It knows when to push and knows when to pull, which is super important. A lot of shows don't understand that in movies, um, and it's just the creative team on this is just, was just dynamite. I mean, jonathan nolan came in here and we always talk about it when somebody comes in and they work on the project and they have full vision. That's who you need. That's who you need to work on these, on these projects, especially something like fallout, where you know you have to deal with lore, you have to deal with, you know, a fandom on top of that.
Speaker 2:It's a difficult thing to tread, um, and not only did they tread, they swam yeah, absolutely, and that was obviously one of the things that they just had to do was, you know, especially with this universe of Fallout where they have to balance that satire nature, the humor, with the darkness of the world, and they nailed it like absolutely, nailed it like from the jump, like the first episode. And, yeah, it was Jonathan Nolan. He brought his wife with him, lisa Joy, both of them from Westworld.
Speaker 1:They just came over as a a group, as a team, the nolan brothers were always taking their wives everywhere they go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, jonathan nolan brought a lot of his westworld crew with him to do this show, and you know I think people can relax about james gunn taking his whole team to work on superman.
Speaker 2:It's fine, right yeah, that's a great point that this just shows that you know you have people that you trust. You bring them with you to do especially new things. Um, when you want to do new things, you, you want to do people that you trust. Um, so we'll talk about fallout a bunch. We have a bit of news not not a ton, just two new trailers and some casting news. So, first and foremost, we got the second trailer for deadpool and wolverine. Yeah, um, and this trailer kind of had we got, uh, we got the. It feels like the first trailer that we got the super bowl trailer was the deadpool trailer and then this one was the wolverine trailer, essentially. So we got hugh jackman he's back, um, we got him, we got him talking, we got him in the suit with sleeves and without sleeves and, yeah, we got kind of a vibe of what Wolverine is kind of about in this movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean. So you learn that this Wolverine is a variant. This Wolverine is not the. You know, it's not the main Fox universe that we watched all of our lives. It's not that Wolverine. It's not the Wolverine from Logan or, if not, that Wolverine is the main Wolverine from that Fox universe. This is a different Wolverine. That entire universe was destroyed, or at least not necessarily destroyed because he has to go pick him up from somewhere. But you know, the X-Men, at least, are gone. In this universe the X-Men are all dead. That may have came of way of a character that we're going to meet later in this trailer.
Speaker 2:But I mean feel um that may may have came of way of a character that we're going to meet later in this trailer.
Speaker 1:But I mean, you know, feel wise, you get a little bit more of the feel you got it from the first trailer. But, just like you said on wolverine's half, that was the important piece is to understand where he's coming from. I think what you need to do with something like this is immediately, because I just watched logan yesterday, for whatever reason maybe it's because I knew this was coming out but you've got to tell me why I need to be back. You have to get me into being because you know, for the most part, I think most people are just going to be back because it's just, you know, yeah, it's I hate to use the word nostalgia bait, but you know it's my wolverine that I grew up with watching.
Speaker 1:He's back as the main wolverine, finally wearing the suit, you know, finally being like a main level version of him, like. But you know, logically speaking, why is he back, like, why are we doing this? Like, and you know, I'm sorry, a big reason why we're doing this is because ryan reynolds, like this is a big reason, you know he, I think he has earned this credibility to be like. I'm gonna kind of just do what I need to and have a little bit of not a little bit a lot of fun doing it. Um, and you made a good point before we hopped on. You know, the fear that I have is, you know, it's not the movie itself, it's the people that are going to watch this movie. Why are you watching this movie? That's the fear that I have yep, yeah, 100.
Speaker 2:Um, this clearly feels like a wolverine who is just kind of over it, which I think is a. I mean, that's kind of wolverine's vibe the last few times we've seen him. But um, pew jackman plays that version of wolverine very well. Um, there's a very like poignant moment in the trailer that I feel like kind of goes over a little overlooked, where deadpool puts the gun to his head and he's, like you know, basically I'll just blow your head off, and wolverine kind of like leans into it, like please, like you know, I'd want for nothing else other than that to be, uh, to put out of my misery, like that's.
Speaker 2:You know, as much as people talk about wolverine in the comics, like his incredible longevity and um, like the healing factor and everything, it's also kind of a curse. Yeah, like you know, he's kind of cursed by this longevity and you kind of feel that um as the sole survivor, apparently, of of everyone he's ever known. Um, but yeah, like the point I was making before we hopped on was essentially like all I saw people basically reacting to were two big things the Ant-Man helmet and skull and the portal thing where they jump through the portal, neither of which I feel like are going to be particularly important within the confines of the movie. So I'm just like the portal one, maybe, that portal Maybe.
Speaker 1:That might be. You know, it might be a super twisted version of the Doctor Strange one, where they're just, you know, running across the most messed up worlds that they can possibly think of, and then the Ant-Man head, I just think it's there. We're getting, you know, easter eggs like that in loki as well too. Um, speaking to loki, you know, the big piece of this, this story, is the fact that the tba, my boy, tom wasgans, from from succession um, is playing what's his name in this movie? Paradox, paradox, um, mr paradox, mr paradox, um, I think it's gonna be, I think it's gonna be fun. You know, I don't know particularly, or I don't. I'm trying to kind of weave together what I think that could mean. Um, I just think that the collapse of the multiverse has started and you keep making this point that this is the only marvel movie this year. This is the only thing, this is the only I know. Are we getting any more marvel projects this year? Uh, because we're not they're not dropping daredevil this year.
Speaker 2:Right, I think there's something at the end of the year.
Speaker 1:Wonder.
Speaker 2:Man. Maybe let's see oh.
Speaker 1:Is it Agatha?
Speaker 2:Yes, whatever the new title is, that's my name of that show Agatha whatever the title this week is yeah, that is supposed to come out at the end of this year.
Speaker 1:Okay, maybe not until we're released for end of this year, which is you know, maybe not total release for something like that, but you know I digress on that point. But I mean the, the big, the big piece I'm trying to say is you know, this is the only big thing that they're dropping like this is the. This is the big thing. This is the big thing that they're dropping this year and it's the only big thing that they're dropping this year. Um, and I think that could mean they're trying to let this breathe too.
Speaker 1:I just want to have this kind of sit in people's minds and ponder and contemplate. This is a big deal. I can't deny that this is not a massive deal. I mean, this is like the—it's not like a cameo situation. This is the—some of your prime X-Men could show up in this universe, in the main 616, which is going to be crazy. So, you know, cameos could be a foot, but you know, the most important thing is what is the story going to be? And the story looks like it's going to be could be more of an emotional tale, especially. I think so. I think that's the one thing people aren't talking about.
Speaker 2:Like this is going to be his swan song, essentially well, he has that line in the trailer, in this trailer where he says you know I'm I'm fighting for you know my universe and making sure all the people that I care about aren't taken away from me, which is a pretty emotional timeline for a Deadpool movie, but those Deadpool movies did have their kind of camaraderie moments, so I don't think that's totally surprising. And then for Wolverine, it's, you know, avenging his universe. Essentially, speaking of cameos, we did get. There were a few in that Ant-Man shot that people have identified. So Lady Deathstrike yeah, kelly Hu is apparently going to be in this. We saw Azazel from X-Men First Plots.
Speaker 1:It's almost like in the last trailer, we saw what's it we X-Men first spots.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's almost like in the last trailer we saw Pyro Toad. We saw Toad in this trailer.
Speaker 1:So I think that's just going to basically be the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants protecting who? I think?
Speaker 2:or not. Who I think? Well, we know. Yeah, it's Cassandra.
Speaker 1:Nova. So Professor X's evil twin sister essentially will be the main villain of this movie. It looks like, yeah, cool, cool, fun. Um, what I'm thinking maybe for wolverine's universe is cassandra nova does the new x-men thing and the thing we saw in in the last in two episodes ago and in x-men 97, where you know she obliterates that universe, she kind of takes all the x-men out in that universe and wolverine could have stopped her but didn't or failed to stop her essentially pulls a thor from Infinity War, for lack of better term.
Speaker 1:Sure, yeah, that would be interesting, like the one you know, after all the things he can survive. He couldn't. He couldn't survive Cassandra Nova, and it'll make it even. You know a deeper meaning, especially after Logan. You know your father figure and then you know the sister that's super similar to your father figure, is your greatest villain, so your greatest, you know, your greatest ally and this is, you know, super similar to your father figure is your greatest villain, so your greatest ally is super close to your greatest adversary. It would be a good thing to pull on for Wolverine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a great point. Yeah, because she does have telepathy on the level of Charles, a couple other powers too, but I think that's a great point.
Speaker 1:Her biggest power is being super evil.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's a great point about Her biggest power is being super evil. Yeah, that's the thing. I think that's a great point about her kind of being like this evil mirror of Charles for Wolverine to go against. I think that's a really good idea. And yeah, I mean, this movie comes out in July, so about two and a half-ish months, which is cool. You're going to fly? Yeah, I think so. And yeah, x-men 97 and this. So X-Men are red hot right now. So, yeah, we'll see what this movie holds. And then the other trailer that we've got to talk about is the Transformers 1 trailer. So we knew this was coming.
Speaker 1:We knew this was coming, Pete.
Speaker 2:Coming off of CinemaCon Chris Hemsworth, brian Tyree Henry leading as pre-Optimus Prime and pre-Megatron. Essentially, I think this trailer probably surprised a lot of people.
Speaker 1:It was fun it's a fun little trailer that I can't be mad at.
Speaker 2:That's it if you were going in expecting lordly leader Optimus Prime and the super, most demonic villain, megatron, that's not it. No, you get what you so keenly put as super bad. But Transformers, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:This is like a fun little, like almost heist, like a coming-of-age movie for the Transformers, yeah, which I think is kind of a fun idea.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:This is a kid's movie. Everybody relax. This is a kid's movie, yeah, you know. Obviously adults are going to go watch this because it's the Transformers that they grew up with, much as the TMNT movie, mutant, mayhem, and you know what I'll say on a bigger scale, for Paramount is. I think Paramount's on a really good run, man. I think they're doing a lot of good things with their properties. You know whether it be you know Tom Cruise leading the Mission Impossible properties, or you know what the future of the Transformers movies are looking like, with their new director taking the helm as well, the guy that directed Creed II, like I think they're in a good, they're in a good spot, and and also with with the, with the turtles. But you know, this looks fun. This just looks like a fun movie you can take the family to see. Um, you know, teach them the, you know, was something we noticed when we saw team.
Speaker 1:Um you may have was like there was like a family sitting behind us and they're like the dad like had a Ninja turtle shirt on and he had his kids with them I think something like this can play like that as well, where the parent takes the kids and like, hey, you can learn about this character that I loved so much when I was your age. This can be kind of like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely no-transcript. The Peter Cullen comparisons would have been astronomically high because they would have just been expecting Hemsworth to sound like Peter Cullen the whole time. The fact that they're going with a different vibe for Optimus actually, I think helps him out quite a bit too. It lets him establish his own voice. I'm excited. I'm excited to check it out for sure. You know, it has kind of like that, like you said, coming-of-age, almost like Power Rangers-ish vibe when they get the I guess it's, you know their sparks essentially that give them their transforming powers. They get that from Lord Fishburne. Lord Fishburne gifts them that. So, yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Scarlett Johansson and Keegan-Michael Key wrap out the cast, which you know. We'll see what it brings. I'm excited for it. I'm excited to check it out.
Speaker 1:I don't think it quite excited me the way that the Mutant Mayhem stuff did excited me the way that, like the mutant mayhem stuff did, because I think that just looked really amazing and also the vibe of that is kind of like up our alley as well too.
Speaker 1:But yeah, like I said, this is like a good this. I think this is just going to be a fun, good family movie you take the kids to see, I think it's. Is this going to stream? Is this going to be in the movies, right, or yeah? I think so. Yeah, and then probably soon after it's going to go on paramount plus. You have the kids see it. This is a good one. It's good stuff. You can probably blow out this universe if you want to as well too. Have it be on Nickelodeon if you want, just like Mutant Mayhem did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, 100%. And then the last bit of news that I have is we finally revealed who's going to be playing Shadow. Speaking of Paramount, too, paramount also has their hands in the sonic franchise as well. Um, so sonic 3. Obviously, the big teaser at the end of sonic 2 was that we were getting shadow. Shadow was coming, fan favorite um, and he's going to be voiced by none other than keanu reeves incredible, great get, incredible get incredible get.
Speaker 2:He joins ben schwartz and idris Elba in this franchise. That Idris Elba has said Sonic 3 is going to be for Sonic fans essentially is the vibe they're going for for the third Sonic movie. And Shadow has that Venom kind of anti-hero fan base about him that I think Keanu Reeves fits really, really well. The gun memes have already started. I need a ring. Shadow very famously does wield guns in the Sonic universe. It's going to be good man. It's probably going to be. It's going to, I assume, follow the same kind of plot thread as the second movie, where sonic and shadow face it, face off and then they realize that robot yeah, yeah and then they realize that robot neck is the true villain and they team up to take down jim carrey once, once and for all, probably um jim carrey back multiple times for a franchise.
Speaker 1:You don't see that with.
Speaker 2:Jim Carrey. I know, I know he had famously never done a sequel until Sonic. And then here he is doing three of them. So yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Like I said, I think that second one was super fun and yeah, we'll see what happens with the third one. I'm super keen to see it. And then I mean, this isn't news, but I just think it's funny Venom moved its release date up, Yep, why? Because they didn't want to take the steam out of the presidential election. Yeah, so how?
Speaker 1:you guys are probably thinking about it is that Venom didn't want to compete with, you know, a national, quasi-international event that's going to take place. We're going to look at it as that. The election didn't want to be overshadowed by venom 3. Right the last, the last dance the last dance, yep.
Speaker 2:And then just the historical, just irrational confidence of sony moving a release date up yet again because they're like we're ready, it's ready. What could the?
Speaker 1:post-credit scene for this movie. Be who knows? I hope it's the most. I hope they try to take the biggest swing. Imagine they try to like get the Sinister Six, but it's never gonna pay off.
Speaker 2:We don't know anything about this movie, correct? No, the only thing I know, is Chiwetel Ej that.
Speaker 1:Have him be Noel. Just put him in the full Noel stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we just know that Chipotle Ninja 4 is in it.
Speaker 1:And is the villain right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Let him play Noel, he'd be great. And the movie comes out in six months.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we don't know anything about it, same time as Joker right Right around the same time. Yeah now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, same time. Yet now, yeah, um, I don't know man, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I kind of like the mystery I love, I love the reverence for these movies. Now, like these movies are like just these ones though they shouldn't exist like these movies should not be a thing, but I love tom hardy like. Tom hardy, like played one of the greatest villains of all time in a comic book movie and then he's just like. You know what? I'm going to fully commit to playing Venom and these weird, unhinged, just unrealistic Sony-verse movies.
Speaker 2:Kraven also comes out in August. I don't know what to expect from that movie. And then Venom comes out not even eight weeks later.
Speaker 1:They're going to do it, aren't they? Probably, because you have four of them right there.
Speaker 2:You might as well just do it at this point.
Speaker 1:You have Adam Webb, oh God.
Speaker 2:You're a hypno-hustler, El Muerto. I told you the way that they go about this is they just keep redoing the Morbius post-credits scene and just add somebody. Yeah, and then everyone just keeps showing up.
Speaker 1:It's only six of them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then they look around and they're just like oh, one, two three, four, five.
Speaker 1:We're like a sinister six. Who should they fight? They should just bring Andrew back, just for the jokes. Why don't they bring him back and they kill him. He doesn't even get the job done. You think it's going to be this big triumphant moment and then he dies.
Speaker 2:That would be insane.
Speaker 1:And then the movie ends and that's the universe. That's it. They did it.
Speaker 2:They should fight Peter B Parker from Into the Spider.
Speaker 1:Race and have Jake Johnson actually play the last part. No, no, no Make him animated. Now, that's funny.
Speaker 2:You make him animated and you put him into the Venomverse and he fights the Sinister Six, or you bring the Sinister Six into that universe and they fight on his terms, or both, or both B-O-F-F, both.
Speaker 1:I'm in, I'm in.
Speaker 2:Like he's losing, and then he just he teleports into the animated universe and he's like it's my turn, you know what's hilarious that I had fears for Deadpool and Wolverine, but like this movie, I'm like.
Speaker 1:whatever they do, I'm good Because there's no stakes. Yeah, there is no stakes.
Speaker 2:The stakes is comedy If this movie flops, it's not a big deal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have to worry about Deadpool and Wolverine. I don't have to worry about a universe that goes not you father, you father, I don't have to worry about that.
Speaker 2:Sony just hemorrhaging money just for no reason, yeah, no reason. At any time they can decide just not make these movies anymore, but they're just like, actually, we're going to make several of them actually. Oh man, I love it so much. It's unreal, it's incredible. Um, all right, fallout, let's talk about. Let's talk about a good, let's talk about good things. Now, keep talking about venom. Yeah, venom 2. We're doing a retrospective on venom 2, on the best movie ever.
Speaker 1:We're gonna do a retrospective on morbius 2.
Speaker 2:What's that cop doing at the end I? Don't know I don't know which one do he? He becomes a symbiote. Which one was that? Who cares?
Speaker 1:What have we done? They wasted Riz Ahmed playing Riot.
Speaker 2:They did Riot.
Speaker 1:Ah, good times they better make sure we tell our we're talking a lot about Venom. I'm not gonna lie, we're already talking about it. And that's how influential he is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I don't know. Here we go. Look, they did that whole setup with the cop at the end and then he's not even in the cast list so I don't know, just do no, just do no.
Speaker 1:Like have it be the most messed up situation. Bring willie harrelson back, yeah yeah, all right, uh, fallout.
Speaker 2:So, like we talked about up top, jonathan Nolan brought his Westworld crew, including his wife Lisa Joy, onto this show that is obviously based on the Bethesda game series Creator Tim Kaine not so much involved in this, but Tim Kaine hasn't been involved in Fallout for a long long time. He created the universe, he created the world, had a hand in Fallout 1 and 2, and then Bethesda kind of took over. So Todd Howard obviously now in charge of Bethesda was heavily involved in this show, seemed to be very proud of it and, as we always say, get the people that are associated with the thing to do the thing, get people that enjoy the thing to also do the thing. Jonathan Nolan is a massive fan of Fallout, so this is somewhat of a passion project for him in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1:I think that's one of the coolest things ever. And, man, what an absolute treat. I think a treat is right and I said it. This show is horrifyingly beautiful that's the best way I can describe this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this show was incredible and you don't get that without a stellar cast. Yes, so we have our three leads. So Ella Pernell, who is?
Speaker 1:Just quickly becoming everybody's celebrity crush and just absolutely dynamite in this show celebrity crush and just absolutely dynamite in this show.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's now known as the video game adaptation queen. She plays Jinx in Arcane, which is a critically acclaimed animated series. Now she has Lucy McClane in Fallout, who is very quickly becoming a fan favorite character, and she's just incredible just from the moment she shows up in this. And then, obviously, I mean she's known for other things yellow jackets, um, obviously one of her most you know notorious roles that she's in um, star trek prodigy. She's a big part of um, and then a few other things along the way. She she was a voice in invincible this season, um, and in the finale of invincible she has a minor role, um, so that's cool. Her and walter goggins both are invincible um. Speaking of walter goggins, probably the standout of this- I see.
Speaker 1:What's funny is like I know he's the standout, but he's not my standout of this sure that makes sense um, but but let me, let me rephrase he's, he's just, he's the lifeblood of this show.
Speaker 1:You know it's funny, him and him and uh, him and uh, emma purnell are are kind of, uh, the lifeblood of this whole thing. Yeah, three leads are um, which brings me to who I think is. The is the, you know, maybe the, the energy, energy wielding character that I wasn't expecting to be, and it's um, what's his name? Uh, aaron moten. Yeah, he is probably the most intriguing character that I've seen in this show. I think he is one of the. I can't wait to talk about his arc in this show, um, because it is one of the most complex and it's funny because you know face front, it's probably you're gonna think it's. You know walter doggins character. I think he has the most compelling story in this entire thing and it's his present story. I think you know past, present, future. The three of them kind of weave. You know, past, it's coop. Present, it's it's lucy and I sorry, present I think it's maximus. In the future it's lucy. I think that's kind of how you can.
Speaker 2:You can play this yeah, yeah, um yeah, and I mean they really present cooper howard, aka the ghoul, as almost almost like the protagonist. I mean this is, it's where the show starts, the show's kind of like you're.
Speaker 1:It's funny like this show uses point of view. This show is a lesson in perspective in. In my opinion, it's great to have three different perspectives on the end of the world and three different ways to operate. I think, like I said, this show operates so well. People just think it's past-present. I don't think people put enough stake into how much this show deals with the future as well too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, totally, man. It was such a smart idea to frame the show the way they did with, you know, the title cards showing you the names of the characters and being like. This show is not just about this world. The show is about these characters and the people that inhabit this world. It's not so much the world, um, and I think this show does a really amazing job of establishing the world and establishing the rules of it, um, yes, really really well, in a, in a way that doesn't leave people behind, in a way that doesn't it's not inaccessible to people that aren't familiar with the Fallout universe. I think that's kind of a stumbling block that adaptations can run into sometimes is they kind of are either too heavy-handed with the lore or they're not handed enough or they're just like. You should know this idiot, and I think fallout does a great job of. You know just these. You know one or two lines of dialogue being like here's this thing and that's what it is.
Speaker 1:I think it's even deeper than that. It's not just what it tells, what it gives you, I think it's. I think it's the feel. I think this show is a lesson in how to, how to make like feel of a show, like an actual, almost physical feel to a show, and a lot of that comes with that 1950s perfect world backdrop and then, once you go up to the surface, how desolate the world has become, and I think that juxtaposition really works in this too, as best as anything in the game has done.
Speaker 1:I think, this is probably some of the best that it's done, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Rounding out the cast, so we have Kyle McLaughlin, everyone's favorite, fan favorite. Kyle McLaughlin plays Lucy's dad, you know, who has an incredibly compelling character arc, one that you know Fallout's known for its tremendous twists.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:Hank McClane is catalyst for one of those twists and the catalyst for another. One of those twists is Moises Arias, who plays Norm, who plays Lucy's brother. You know, most people are going to know him from Hannah Montana and he was really good in this he was real good. I wasn't sure where this. I wasn't sure, after Lucy left the vault, how much time they were going to spend still in the vault, and I was pleasantly surprised that they made that a whole thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like when you switch from third person to first person. That's how you kind of follow Norm in the vault after Lucy leaves, and it's really well done to show you vault life when you know it hits the fan. That's kind of what norm is. A is a surrogate for um, and it's just. It's really well done.
Speaker 1:This show is, you could tell, this show is thought out. There was no stones that were not overturned. There was no. You know, there was no times where they wanted to, you know, be lackadaisical and kind of take the foot off the gas. Everything was fully thought out and fully sought after. There was nothing that this universe didn't say either. We're going to hold, but you're going to want to know what we're holding for and the character work. We're going to keep talking about how tremendous this character work is in this show and that's what's so important. It's not the world that you build for something like that let's just take something like mad max. It's not the world you build. The world is going to speak for itself a lot of the times. It's how these characters adapt and react and function in a world like this. That's what.
Speaker 2:That's where truthfully great storytelling can come from and they do a great job of wrapping everything up um yeah no mystery really goes unsolved, except for a couple that I think are just being held onto for season two.
Speaker 2:I don't think a lot of things. You don't leave the show going having a lot of questions being like, well, this didn't quite make sense, or how did that happen? The show does a really nice job of slowly uncovering each mystery until you find out Cooper Howard the ghoul is way more tied to Lucy than you could have ever expected and it comes by the way of a great Endgame reveal about Hank and everything going on with the interconnected Vault 31, 32, and 33.
Speaker 1:Yep, and you think Maximus is going to be left out of that? Nope, nope, not at all. So yeah, man, let's just kind of take it from the top be left out of that?
Speaker 2:Nope, nope, yeah, not at all. So yeah, man, I mean let's just kind of take it from the top, let's kind of just break these things down. So, episode one, the end, as you talk about, was one of the best pilots of a TV show you could ever ask for, and it starts in 2077.
Speaker 1:It starts with Walter Goggins, Cooper Howard. You, loving his life at current Him and who we later find out is his daughter, are kind of officiating a birthday party and he's doing his gimmick. You find out that Coop is a semi-retired movie star. Essentially it's like a John Wayne.
Speaker 2:Past his prime he's outside of this way.
Speaker 1:Why is this big movie star doing birthday parties? That's like a John Wayne, yeah, you know past his prime, you know he's, he's outside of this way and he's you know why. Why is this big movie star doing birthday parties? Cause he's outside, it's it's over, like it's his time and the sun is over. Um, and you know, unfortunately, what happens worst company in the entire universe to go to.
Speaker 2:Vault-Tec, vault-tec man, we could do a whole episode just on Vault-Tec.
Speaker 1:Bad guys.
Speaker 2:Not great, not a great group. So, yeah, this first episode does a great job setting the stage for, in the background, the Last of Us did this really well, the first episode of the Last of Us kind of showing in the background. This one's a little bit more obvious than what the Last of Us did.
Speaker 1:But it's fine. But I will akin the two of these shows to. You're waiting for the bang, but again, you know the Hitchcock terminology like it's not the bang, it's the anticipation. You know the thing that's going to happen. You know in the Last of Us, the infected are about to take over and you know, in the fallout, once the first new kits, the world's going to end. But you have to wait, it's not?
Speaker 2:going to tell you when. So they build that couple things that are just building in the background. As far as things that I noticed, the president is missing. You hear in a news report and you know if you're, if you're a fallout person, you know that the president and a bunch of other high-ranking military officials in the united states uh abscond to an oil rig offshore to found the enclave yep, and is their, is their mission?
Speaker 1:they turn on the tv um at the birthday party and it turns to a weather broadcast and the weatherman's like I'm not covering the weather. I don't know if there's going to be a next week why am I covering the weather for next week?
Speaker 2:And then Cooper is explaining to his daughter the role of the thumbs up. The thumbs up it's an old military tactic to gauge the size of a nuclear bomb in the event of a detonation. And then he goes inside and is philandering with various folks inside and then Janie sees the bomb go off and she puts her thumb up and she starts shaking and freaking out.
Speaker 1:It's like your thumb or mine, Yep, and he's like what are you talking about? And he looks up at the horizon and the first bomb goes and that's it and he says it's just a fire, it's not a big deal.
Speaker 2:And then yeah, you're waiting for it to happen.
Speaker 1:You see this huge cloud of smoke, and if it goes east-west you're fine, but if it goes north-south you better get going and boy does it go?
Speaker 2:north-south Shockwave comes, boom, blows all the windows out, all very chummy with one another, all of a sudden start turning on one another, um, heading to their fallout shelters, not the vaults. Uh, I think some people got a little mixed up there. They weren't going into vaults, they were just going into regular fallout shelters. Um, and then, yeah, we fast forward 219 years later to to the lovely life of vault 33.
Speaker 1:I'm lucy mclean and I'm the main character yes, I'm lucy mclean.
Speaker 2:I'm the main character. Here are all the things I'm good at.
Speaker 1:This is a beautiful little world we live down here. I love the 50s, even though it's 22-whatever.
Speaker 2:And this young gal just is trying to get married, Yep she's just trying to find a husband. She can't find one in Vault 32, or she can't find one in Vault 33. That's not her cousin Right. Don't do that she's not related to. So she has arranged a marriage with Vault 32, which every vault in the Fallout universe has a gimmick. Some of them are horrifying, yeah, others, because you find this out in Episode 8, machinations of the vaults and and what they were. They're essentially.
Speaker 1:They were a game, essentially to to vault tech and and all these other companies you know, like you know, you know, you see, your, your, your cheats from kfcs and your and your crazy, yeah, holiday, that that's for life. That's kind of what this whole thing was for the vaults like we're gonna have a. We're to have a seasonal gimmick for our vault.
Speaker 2:Vault 31, 32, and 33 are these three triumvirate of connected vaults that rely on one another. That's as far as we get, because obviously the vault 31 plot twist is integral to the plot. We'll talk about that a little bit later. 32 and 33 seem to be equals in this. We don't really know about vault 31 yet, so we'll talk about that a little bit later. Um, but 32 and 33 kind of seem to be kind of equals in this and we don't really know about vault 31 yet until you know way later in the show. So then you know she goes to vault 32 and 33 and big time she gets approved for her marriage. Um, we find out that her father, kyle mcclanahan uh, hank m. Hank McClan is the overseer of Vault 33. She's the overseer's daughter, which is good for her. Very nice, we're setting up this marriage. Then stuff just starts being off.
Speaker 2:Then the Vault 32 folks show up.
Speaker 1:They're just a little rough around the edges for lack of a better term. They don't seem to be like these upstanding citizens of the perky vault dwellers, american citizens that have white picket fences and help each other and help thy neighbor. They're eating with their knives instead of their forks.
Speaker 2:The vault overseer of Vault 32 comes over Lee Moldaver and she's like look at me. She says the old overseer, he died.
Speaker 1:And I'm here now and our crops are gone, are dying, yeah, okay, and you didn't come over before this? Yeah, weird, but okay, okay, it's a beautiful day, it's marriage.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's marriage. It's great, it's good stuff. So she gets. Also, this is how I knew the show was unhinged. They go to open the vault door to Vault 32, and she has that great exchange with her cousin where he's purposely not trying to open the gate because he's a jealous little man, yeah, and he's in love with her and he's like I love you.
Speaker 1:Lucy. She's like we can't do this. We know Chet, everyone knows that Chet and we can't do this anymore because you know they were related and we're not.
Speaker 2:She's a cousin. It's all well and good, you know, for a sex thing, but we can't conceivably build a future out of this. Yeah, and I'm like this is great and she the way she's. So my favorite thing about her performance is how, just you know, early on, like rain off the water, you know rain off the back, she is about everything Okie dokie. So she meets her husband, she gets a catchphrase.
Speaker 1:This is one of the coolest main characters that I've seen in a while she meets her husband.
Speaker 2:He seems decent, does he kind of look like?
Speaker 1:Jonathan Nolan.
Speaker 2:I digress and yeah, they get to. Yeah, there's a really kind of weird dinner. And then she gets back into her home and he immediately undresses and she's like alright, okie dokie. She says and then, and then, and then it pops off. Yeah, it does pop off.
Speaker 1:He's drinking all of the water and you just see him turn on. You know he's drinking all of the water and you just see him turn on the faucet and just looking at the water just like is this real? Yeah, don't you have those in Vault 32?, don't you? Have water. Is this not a normal thing for you? And then, boom, he tries to kill her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like, uh-oh Well, she picks up, up her pit boy and immediately the Geiger counter goes off, and that's when she picks. You guys have to be from the surface. You can't be from a vault and be radioactive. And yeah, then a really horrible massacre.
Speaker 1:So he stabs her in the side. Yes, she gets stabbed right away. And then she immediately carves half of his face open with a pitcher. Oh, this show is something, yep. And then they go downstairs, and then the beauty of that 1950s music juxtaposed to just absolute carnage is just what this show does so so well.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:People are being thrown off, ledges just being stabbed, shot Shot Cakes being eaten, and then people are just mauling other people. Get that jelly mold out of here.
Speaker 2:It's one of my favorite bits in the whole show Zach Cherry is amazing.
Speaker 1:I love Zach Cherry. He was in Severance, he's in this, he was in Shang-Chi, he's in Spider-Man. He's such a fun guy that just does all these either smaller or bigger roles, but he's always in these weird positions, especially in Severance and this. He's two for two with these.
Speaker 2:Get that jelly mold out of here.
Speaker 1:It's just going to live in my brain. I don't care. That's my favorite line.
Speaker 2:It's going to live in my brain probably for the rest of eternity. It's so good, get that jelly mold out of here eternity.
Speaker 1:It's so good Get that jelly mold out of here to, immediately after one of the Vault 32, people take one of the Vault 33s, punch his mouth full with a gun, shoots the gun and kills two other people, including them. What is this?
Speaker 2:show Lucy's girlfriend, her friend, gets stabbed in the face with a fork. Who's pregnant, who's?
Speaker 1:pregnant and then she immediately takes a gun and shoots multiple people right after that Beautiful Lucy's out there hitting people with tranq darts Because she's still morally good.
Speaker 2:Yep, which I think is so good. Yep, chet gets confronted by one of these folks and he's like sir, please, yeah. I don't want to use force, but I'm gonna, and then what happens he? Takes the, he does a little sidestep move and closes the vault door on some poor soul from Vault 32.
Speaker 1:Cuts him in half.
Speaker 2:It's great. And then Lucy shows up, her husband returns, somehow, monty returns with half of a jawline and he's got her dead to rights. And then Dad shows up, saves the day Temporarily, because they get to the front of the vault and he's got her dead to rights. And then Dad shows up, saves the day temporarily, because they get to the front of the vault and Moldaver's there with a bunch of the other vault residents and she's like remember that bit with the trolley and the train tracks? We're going to do that. We're going to do that bit. You can save all of these people of Vault 33, or you can save your daughter. Choose, choose, choose. Kyle McLaughlin will not sacrifice his daughter. So he throws her in a room and he says You're on my world, lucy. And then Moldaver tranks him and takes off with Kyle McClanahan. So that is our impetus for Lucy's journey. She's going to go find her, daddy. Yeah, great, lucy's journey. She's going to go find her daddy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, great hero's journey. This is a good example of Borderline, pretty simple. We talk about it all the time with Top Gun Maverick. Sometimes you don't need to do the most overcomplicated thing to be a good story. This is just a very simple way. Villain quote-unquote villain takes your father. You have to go out into the world, this new, this new world that you've never been to. Good action adventure trope, but it works.
Speaker 2:The entrance to vault 32 is destroyed, um, in a bomb blast, and vault 33 is left to pick out the pieces. And lucy's like all right, I'm gonna go get my dad, okie dokie, I'm gonna go get my dad. And everyone's like you can't leave the. Yeah, it violates everything. We were brought up on Reclamation Day. We're not supposed to leave the vault until Earth is ready for us to come up and save it. That's what we're going to do. And Lucy's like well, I got to go, so bye-bye. We get another great moment when the guy's like you get back here right now, young lady, yeah, and then she leaves and he's like well, that didn't work, yeah, that didn't work. And then she steps out into the wasteland, the wasteland, and then okie dokie. And then we meet our third main character. This show, the first episode in particular, does such a great job of these cut to blacks where I'm like wait, is the episode over?
Speaker 2:And then another thing happens.
Speaker 1:Yeah, another character gets introduced, and then we're introduced to Maximus, who's just getting the absolute crap beaten out of him.
Speaker 2:We are introduced and again I can't stress enough, this show does a great job of world building through its characters. So through Cooper Howard we're introduced to pre-war America, through Lucy we are introduced to the idea of the vaults and through Maximus we are introduced to the Brotherhood of Steel.
Speaker 1:All three things, and then there's a fourth one that Coop gets to spin the block on at the end.
Speaker 2:Yes, absolutely. So we're introduced to both Maximus and the Brotherhood of Steel. We basically see that they're a highly militaristic but also highly quasi-religious group. See that they're a highly militaristic, um, but also highly kind of quasi religious uh, group with their own. That's a potent mix. That is, um, maximus is kind of he's, he's an aspirant, so he's not, he's a grunt, essentially Like he does all the crap work literally. Um, for the, for the brotherhood of steel Um, this is a great bit that you called out the shooting bricks.
Speaker 1:I told you this show had to have been written by people that are like around our age, like they helped have to write this, because I know Jonathan Nolan had a lot of stuff to do. But like when Coop at the end of the episode says I do this for the love of the game and when they're literally shooting bricks, that's like us Like, that's something like.
Speaker 2:It's so good and I didn't even catch it until we were watching it the first episode together and you're like, are they literally shooting bricks at the basketball hoop? And I was like, wait a second, that is brilliant, oh my God. So yeah, maximus. He's One thing about Maximus he just doesn't like what he does, man, but he's in it for the brotherhood.
Speaker 1:He's in it. This is a great example of you know when you're talking character wants and needs. Like you know, maximus is the definition of you know, of wants. Like he supersedes the needs for his wants which you know, on paper usually is a villain trope to take it, to take the wants, not the needs. But you know, maximus is like I said I'm gonna keep banging the drum on this I think he's the most compelling character out of the three of them because he is not the face front. You know he's not the face front. You know he's not the face front. Good, that Lucy is, but he's. You can still sense. You know what he is.
Speaker 1:He's the definition of the word potential. He has the potential to be this, this noble knight, but he lets his emotions get the best of him each time. But again, it's, it's, it's this thing I always say you know when you know this happens a lot of times in tv shows and movies, where you know us, the people are like why would this person not us? Because I think we know better. A lot of the times, but you know a lot of main audience would be like why would they do that thing? That's so bad? I said because we're human beings. That that's why he would do the thing. So you know, a couple things happen. So the, the brotherhood shows up, the um get the suits, yeah power, you got.
Speaker 2:The knights show up the knights of the brotherhood of steel show up um practical suits. I can't stress enough how great of a choice that was um to have the practical suits. They look, they look incredible, they look spot on, like he couldn't have asked for better looking suits. Um, and, yeah, the brotherhood is is gonna. They, they're embarking on this mission for this, for a bounty hunt, essentially for this. You couldn't have asked for better looking suits and, yeah, the Brotherhood is going to. They're embarking on this mission for a bounty hunt, essentially for this unknown individual. You're Michael Emerson. Yeah, yep, aren't you, michael Emerson? And a dog are the targets.
Speaker 1:Yep, I love, I Am Legend.
Speaker 2:Maximus' friend gets chosen to be a squire for Knight Titus of the Brotherhood of Steel.
Speaker 1:Yes, they are very excited about this, and Maximus immediately responds with anger. And this is the first compelling nature where you think that Maximus is going to be like you know what? It's all right, it's okay, I hope you're safe. And what you think could happen off of all the stuff that we've seen is I thought this was going to play something like this His friend goes out, they either get captured or something happens, and he goes out to try to save them.
Speaker 1:That's what I thought was going to happen, but no, no, no, no, no, no. So his friend wakes up the next day, they all wake up and their leg is just slashed right open by a blade that was left in the boot. So you think that you know, and again, this plays well, because I don't know what to think. I don't know because I keep questioning his nobility, because I feel it, I feel the potential for his nobility, but I can't, I can't rule out that he could have done it exactly too, because of the scene right before that anger, he breaks the, he starts, he breaks the toilet seat off of the, off the latrine, like he's so pissed off that he wasn't chosen. So you know, then he's, then he's questioned then he's questioned.
Speaker 2:He's questioned by the brotherhood yeah right, you wouldn't.
Speaker 1:You wouldn't do something like this. And he's like no.
Speaker 2:And then they're essentially like I just got to see where they're shooting bricks. It's so good, and they're just like you know what, Even if you did, whether you did do this, whether you didn't, you got spunk kiddo.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got the job.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what if you're the squire to Knight Titus?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can't wait to tell everybody the Knight Titus reveal, because I just wasn't expecting it to be who it was.
Speaker 2:And then enter a hilarious bit again, the over-encumbered bit. You know, historically Fallout games. You have a weight limit to your equipment before you are over-encumbered and you can't walk anymore. Uh well, you can. You can only walk. You can't sprint, you can't fast, travel, um, enter. What the squire essentially does for the brotherhood knights is carry all their gear so that the knight is not over encumbered, but the squire is, um you know what they are and they literally physically make it look like it.
Speaker 1:They're a caddy for a golfer and it's the funniest decision. It's so good it's hilarious.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so they're. They're hunting a former scientist of the enclave Again. The enclave is one of those things that they don't explain throughout the show because the enclave is very secretive. It's the shadow government essentially. So yeah, then we, then we again.
Speaker 1:Government essentially um, so yeah, then we, then we again, we cut to black and you're like is it over? Nope, nope, back to lucy. So they're trying to. This is when they're trying to figure out, and lucy leaves good stuff, all good stuff then we cut back to, then we cut to the.
Speaker 2:We're reintroduced. Yeah, fourth, fourth slash first main character yeah, we just know we, we see a thing pop up, or we, the thing doesn't even pop up. We just come across these bounty hunters and they're like talking about this individual and they're like are you sure he's here? Yada, yada. And then we, they come across a casket with, essentially, an ivy hook to it and they're like son of a bitch, um, they put a chicken down because they're like, if he's feral, he's going to attack the chickens. Then the casket door swings open and then this no other way to explain them this ghoulish figure emerges with a cowboy hat and a bandolier and you're like wait a second. Aren't you Walter Goggins? Aren't you the guy from the beginning of this show? You are. How did you get here? It's the future. How did you get here? Yeah, it's 219 years later. They told us.
Speaker 1:Not only is he back, he's got the greatest one-liners in TV history 219 years later, and he became him. Yeah, he did become him. Now he is the very gunslinger he swore to destroy. Yeah, he is. He's the ghoul.
Speaker 2:Yeah, smash cut to another character title card, the ghoul, and he's not here for the nonsense.
Speaker 1:Because I do this for the love of the game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because he says you know any bounty hunter that says one last job, their heart to haunt, just ain't anything, and he immediately kills these three guys. Well, he kills the two guys and the third guy, he ropes into the casket and kicks him down and he's on his way. Yep, I gotta get this bounty.
Speaker 1:I gotta get this bounty son.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's gonna take the bounty for himself. So they do a nice job of basically establishing that ghouls are are humans that were left exposed to the radiation of the war, and they became these disfigured zombie, esque figures. And that's what happened to our man coop from from episode, from the beginning of episode one.
Speaker 1:But he's got the, he's got the. He's got the juice, though. Yeah, he's got the juice. Literally he's got the, he's got the. He's got the juice, though yeah, he's got the juice, literally he's got the juice that keeps him.
Speaker 2:Keeps him going. Let me go to episode two, the target. So we're introduced to michael emerson's character. The cold opens in the shore um money. The doctor of the enclave, this one I I didn't like. This one I don't like it anytime.
Speaker 1:Puppies die, it's sad man. They show it, they do show it.
Speaker 2:Oh man, I did not like this. I was not a fan, um, so you find out again. This is a great kind of meta commentary. So throughout fall history, um, you typically get a companion called dog meat, which is just this dog. Dog takes various forms. More pop, most popularly, um, especially fallout 4, became a german shepherd. So that's what they opt for here. And then, hilariously, what the show does is they're like you know, the running joke in the Fallout games is like how is dog meat so durable? Like it's just a dog. And then Fallout TV show, my man, jonathan Nolan, was like ah, what if, what if? Genetically engineered dogs. And I'm like that is a fabulous explanation, jonathan Nolan. Dogs. And I'm like that is a fabulous explanation, jonathan Nolan. So Michael Emerson's character takes a liking to one of these genetically engineered dogs, cx-404. He keeps it for himself and they escape the enclave together. He puts a thing in his neck. Yeah, you're the MacGuffin. You're the MacGuffin Temporarily. You're the temporary MacGuffin.
Speaker 1:His head is the actual. His head is the actual.
Speaker 2:His head is the, is the is the encasing of the and then what this show does so well is they're just like you think that all these characters are just gonna. It's gonna be like a Game of Thrones sitch where they're like gotta hold off and yeah, hold off near miss each other. Boom at the end and then all of a sudden, lucy just runs into Michael Emerson. This is one of the small, ain't it?
Speaker 1:yeah, it really is. Yeah, one of the biggest states in the country, california.
Speaker 2:It's almost like a video game, yeah, like oh, I'm running into this character now and Michael Emerson plays the role of. I'm an important NPC in this, yeah, yeah, I gotta deliver you some.
Speaker 1:I'm an important NPC in this. Yeah, I gotta deliver you some exposition real quick.
Speaker 2:Go back to your vault. Vault dweller, your kind ain't welcome here.
Speaker 1:How do you know I was a vault dweller?
Speaker 2:Well, you look like an idiot, you look like an idiot and you smell good, so you have to be and he basically tells her like look, this world ain't for you, sister. It's a terrible place, please go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's a terrible place. Um, please go, yeah, and then he just vanishes into the darkness, literally, literally, vanishes into the darkness. Um, come back to maximus maximus, he's on the mission, he's going with knight titus.
Speaker 2:This is great. Yep, brotherhood of steel. Yeah, this guy's awesome. He's the best. Look at that, knight, he's probably super noble and super good guy.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, he's just Michael Rapaport. Yeah, yup, who's this Tingus Pingus?
Speaker 2:Who is this?
Speaker 1:So they get attacked by a bear a yaoguai, a radioactive bear that's like 20 feet tall.
Speaker 2:It's called a yaoguai in the Fallout universe and you find out Night Titus sucks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's the worst.
Speaker 2:He's a coward. He is a coward, which is a great, you know, Spider-Man Homecoming, right? You know, if you're nothing but a suit, then you shouldn't have it right? He gets attacked by this bear. Maximus kills this bear.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Maximus In two shots, yeah, two shots.
Speaker 2:Gunslinger perk activated, not bad. And Michael Rapaport is like you suck, you did this yeah you did this.
Speaker 1:Now come put the healing potion from Fallout in me.
Speaker 2:The Stimpak Before I die. Lucy used the Stimpak in episode one. Yeah, she did, and Maximus is just like Why'd you make fun of me?
Speaker 1:That was kind of mean. So unfortunately I'm going to watch you die and again. He could have just saved him and done the noble thing.
Speaker 2:But human nature dictates the nobility and he has aspirations, man, he has aspirations, he wants, he literally says it you don't deserve that power, you don't deserve that armor. And the subtext is like I do and he takes it.
Speaker 1:He takes the power armor and he takes the name. Yes, so they send him out. They send him out. My guy from superstore. I forget his name. I love this guy, um, from superstore. He's in superstore. He was in, uh, johnny pemberton. Yeah, yeah, he's was on 21 Jump Street. He's so hilarious in this show.
Speaker 2:Oh, he's great and he gets better. Yeah, he has an arc, he gets a little bit of an arc which was crazy.
Speaker 1:So yeah, Michael Rapaport, you die and you got your power armor stolen. Bad day to be a Knicks fan, I guess. Cut back to Lucy. Lucy keeps meeting different types of people.
Speaker 2:And then, yeah, and then who does she run into? She runs michael emerson again. Yeah, yeah, in in the city of philly, the town of philly, which, f-i-l-l-y. I love this. I love that they built a whole practical, post apocalyptic wasteland town that invokes have you ever played fallout 3? And invokes big megaton vibes, like it's built out of scrap metal. There's a, there's an airplane fuselage they use to to segue you into down downtown, um, and it's got all the bits and pieces that you'd expect from a video game town. It's got the, the item sellers and all that stuff. You're the vault. You're the vault boy bobblehead from fall, aren't you? She walks into a store and she runs into just a hilarious woman, yeah, who is just like.
Speaker 1:The woman, more or less, is just like Get lost. Yeah, get lost. You stupid vault dwellers. You look stupid.
Speaker 2:Well, she goes. I thought all of you dumb, I thought all you dipshits were dead. That's what she said. She said oh shoot, you're like an actual wall-twirler. Yeah, she's like no shit, this is crazy.
Speaker 1:And then she runs back into the doctor. Yeah, Michael Everson, Small world ain't it yeah, small town, ain't it Of Philly, the small town?
Speaker 2:of brotherly love. Michael Everson shows back up and we find out that the people of Philly have arranged for him to be safely brought to Moldavar.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because we believe in Moldavar and Lucy's.
Speaker 2:Like you say Moldavar.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:What did she say? She kidnaps dads. Yeah, yeah, she said she's not a good person.
Speaker 1:She kidnaps dads, and then the ghoul shows up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the ghoul shows up. And then who shows up after the ghoul? Maximus shows up right after the ghoul.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the ghoul shows up and he's like ah, come for this here, bounty. And then he kills everybody in the town.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Murders heaps of people. He shoots Michael Emerson in the leg, yep, blows his leg off, yep, he stabs the dog. Yeah, hey, come on man, come on man, not good. And then, yes, we get the scene from that was released to the public, where Lucy's like speech check, charisma, check, sir, please. I know this is a crazy situation for all of us, but if you continue down this path, I have no choice but to believe that you're the primary aggressor and I will have to use force. You're right. And the ghoul's like huh, and the lady on the ground's like fucking vault dwellers like jesus christ, and he, she shoots him. She shoots him with the tranq gun and one of my favorite ghoul lines, that is a very small drop in a very large bucket of drugs and then they luckily escape because maximus intervenes.
Speaker 1:Stand down ghoul, stand down ghoul. I'm the most, I'm the noble knight titus. They fight.
Speaker 2:um, maximus gets the better of the ghoul just because of, you know, just the the sheer hulk, buster-y nature of the power armor like and the ghoul just has guns. Um, but the ghoul, you know, understands the situation. He turns the tables on Maximus and all the meanwhile we're getting Michael Emerson, a new leg, just kind of.
Speaker 2:They just jam a piece of metal on him that he can walk on, but it's not holding up. He's gone. He escapes with Lucy, Maximus and the ghoul. We'll call it a draw, yeah, but the ghoul, essentially you know he's like. If you're going to put that suit on, you better understand how it works. It works, yep. He cuts one of the air hoses. That hilariously shoots Maximus off into the distance and he's like ahhh, and he splats on the ground. It's pretty good.
Speaker 1:So end of episode one. Lucy gets out into the world. End of episode two. You need the MacGuffin of the world.
Speaker 2:The ghoul heals the dog. He's back on our good side. Why don't you come with me dog? Not because he particularly cares, right, but he does Because you get more Cooper Howard dog lore later in the show. You didn't think it was important, did you? And then, yeah, lucy's walking with Michael Emerson and she's still got that plucky. Like we only got 20 miles to go, like you're going to make it Shut up.
Speaker 1:I'm about to die. You need to stop.
Speaker 2:And she's like no, no, you're not going to die. And he's like so he calls and then you know, very dark, very dark, he says Vault-Tec plan D. It's like Vault-Tec designed these cyanide pills for people to kill themselves with.
Speaker 1:He's like you know. He more or less tells you like you got to, you got to succumb to the world a bit. You can't be this plucky, happy-go-lucky Vault Dwell. Like you have to, you have to be part of the wasteland, unfortunately. And he's like can you cut off my head and bring it to ball day?
Speaker 2:repeated if you don't mind. Yeah, because he's like you can't drag my body right all this way and take my head because the important stuff is right there, right there, and she's like no, yeah, I no, I don't, I don't want to like. And then he's like you, you have to, and then he's uh, you're gonna get your dad back. If you do, he's like you have to.
Speaker 1:And then he's You're going to get your dad back. If you do, she's like my dad?
Speaker 2:How do you know my dad? Why did you say that name? Why did you say that name? Oh, because he says. He literally says you know, this is how you're going to get your dad back, ms McClain. And she's like how did you? Why did you say that name?
Speaker 1:And then she pulls out out, he gives her the little chainsaw sword and she just okie dokie, you know, set to the. You know, I don't want to set the world on fire again, just the beautiful juxtaposition is just, it's so, it's great yep, uh, and she revs up the chainsaw and presumably cuts this man's head off.
Speaker 2:Um, and then we go to episode three, where maximus is in heaps of trouble because, hey, he's trying to fix his power, armor, so he leaves the power. Never leave your power, armor, son yeah, yeah, what are you doing?
Speaker 1:that's like what I want.
Speaker 2:He goes to get it fixed. Um, hilarious bit video game, just video game bit, where he's like she's like four caps to fix your thing and he's like, what about three? And she's like, fuck off, yeah. So he goes to the dentist, gets a couple of his teeth smashed out. Um, in exchange for caps because in the fallout universe you use bottle caps are currency. Because money means nothing, because there's no government, right, but there is a government there's multiple governments, including the government, and they had.
Speaker 1:The government is the one that we care about. The government is the one that we care about. The government is the one that's really running things, but the government that's the cool one.
Speaker 2:So yeah, Maximus gets back. There's those pesky raiders. He's just picking at his power armor. Maximus gets into a bit of a.
Speaker 1:Maximus has hands. Maybe you get hands when you get the crap being out of you multiple times.
Speaker 2:He gets into a bit of a scrap. Uses a toilet seat hilariously because that's his backstory, fights off these raiders, and then the Brotherhood chimes in. They're like hello Knight, titus, hello, it's the Brotherhood of Steel. And he's like hello, my squire is dead.
Speaker 1:And they're like no worries, we got plenty of those. Yeah, we got plenty of them, come on. Plenty of those, yeah, plenty of come on.
Speaker 2:And he's like we'll send you a new one. He's like no, no, no no no, don't, no. And he smashes the radio. And then he eventually, the Squire, shows up. And who is it but Johnny Pembleton? Yep, so Maximus traps himself essentially in his armor for the duration of this journey, because he can't, surely can't, reveal himself to his arse nemesis. And then Lucy's chucking along. She's got the head. Oh no, you're the ghoul.
Speaker 1:You found me.
Speaker 2:Well, first, what finds her is a gulper, this just hideous squid creature, squidfish person Creature that just eats Michael Emerson, the rest of him, yeah and she's like oh man, dang flabbit, yeah, um, and then the ghoul shows up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and this is what I love about this show is like you, you like lucy so much and you just expect, like you expect her to have like that traditional main character kind of luck where she can kind of talk her way out of situations or get out, but not not, the ghoul just shows up and just pummels her, yeah I'm gonna and not only that, I'm just gonna sacrifice you so I can get the head back, so that that that takes care of that yeah, he keeps dropping her in and out of the water to lure the gulper in, um, because she's like.
Speaker 2:He has this great monologue about torture where he's just like they said it's not effective, he's like but I'm not torturing you, sweetheart, I'm using you as bait. His accent as the ghoul is incredible where you develop it, who knows?
Speaker 1:so again, now we're getting back to some of my favorite bits, and it's the. It's the post, it's the post crazy episode. One massacre of vault 33. Yeah, we go back to some of my favorite bits, and it's the post-crazy episode one massacre of.
Speaker 2:Vault 33. Yeah, we go back to Vault 33, which I kind of wasn't expecting, yeah, and then they turn Norman to your point of view.
Speaker 1:Character from the vault.
Speaker 2:He becomes an investigative journalist. Yeah, he turns into a 1930s investigative.
Speaker 1:I gotta uncover, beat it. I gotta uncover the truth about this town.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, before we get into his investigative journalist arc, he's essentially because now we have a council, because, in lieu of Hank McClane leaving, we have no overseer. So we have Betty Blind Al from Deadpool, we have our guy from the Jelly Mold we have him, Woody, and then we have Norm, Nope.
Speaker 1:Norm's the brother, Yep, it's Reg, so Reg Betty. And.
Speaker 2:Woody, they have assumed control of the vault. And Norm is like we gotta execute these raiders right. Like they're terrible people. They massacred our vault and they took my dad. That's not the vault tech way. Yeah, like shame on you, norm. How dare you think like this. Get lost and then that's. That's really all we get from vault 33 at this point. And then we go back to the past. We go back to the past, um, in one of my favorite episode endings ever, um, we get uh, cooper howard is he's like I've never done advertising well first he looks at the billboard.
Speaker 2:That's yeah we get coopin and lucy. Well, we got ghoul and lucy walking like he takes her prisoner and she's just poor, lucy is just miserable at this point. Um, and she looks up at the. She sees a vault tech billboard and she's like, oh, my home, I miss this place. And then ghoul just blows a fucking hole in the in the billboard and you're just like, wow, he's a real dick, isn't he? He couldn't even give her that satisfaction of looking at. But then we flash back to the past.
Speaker 1:Smash cut to him wearing the same suit walking out. So what do you think? Is just a woman that works there kind of talking to him? You know you're ready to meet the suits? This is where the true villain starts to come through.
Speaker 2:so they're gonna put me in the movies he's doing, he's doing the ads, he's being, he's being that good, good movie star on set and we also get you know kind of like the introduction to vault tech proper um, where he's like so these suits can stop radiation, huh, and they're like, yeah, sure, and you're like, if that's what you want to think what's going on here?
Speaker 1:yeah, with vault tech what's going on with vault tech?
Speaker 2:why would they do that? Why would they do that? Um, and yeah, we get a montage of him doing a bunch of poses and then eventually, and then famously, he goes hey, what if I, what if I did a thumbs up? And they're like sure, man, whatever. And then our guy Bud Askins is there and he's like what do you want Coop? And she's like did you just call him Coop?
Speaker 1:And he's like yeah, yeah, we're good.
Speaker 2:And, yeah, we find out that Cooper Howard is the poster child of Vault-Tec. We don't really know the implications of that, other than he clearly has regrets, some 219 years later, about it. And then we get to episode four.
Speaker 1:With one of my favorite openings of this entire show. So basically, lucy and the ghoul. They need some more of that. Good, good, good for the ghoul, for Coop.
Speaker 2:Which we don't know what it does. We just know he's on it.
Speaker 1:Yep, he's on it, and it's keeping him alive, it's keeping him going, essentially what I think it's probably just like a radiation, temporary radiation cure that doesn't send the mind into an absolute zombified frenzy. But he meets Roger, roger Neil Hough as Roger, the saddest character in the show, if you ask Kord.
Speaker 2:If you ask Kord, he's the saddest character in the whole show.
Speaker 1:He just looked down on his luck ghoul, oh man them recounting their memories of he's like remember ice cream and apple pie. He said what about that good old mac and cheese? Blanco mac and cheese, that's the good stuff.
Speaker 2:And immediately shoots him in the head. I'm like no, and lucy's like lucy's like oh, look at this.
Speaker 1:She's like why? She's like oh, look at these two having a good old maybe he isn't so bad.
Speaker 2:Oh no, he is the worst. Actually blows his, blows poor roger's head off and she's like why did you do that?
Speaker 1:he's like I gotta eat his brains actually, so I can get something like good, good yeah, he's like you know you're gonna become me eventually sweetheart.
Speaker 2:They're like this is, this is what the world does everybody in. The sooner you get used to that, the easier this, this little journey, is gonna be for you.
Speaker 1:But then she says she says her name and he says would you say your last name was why?
Speaker 2:did you say?
Speaker 1:that name? Why did you say that name mclean? I knew what mclean once and you're like huh why does everybody know my dad says lucy? Why does everybody know my dad?
Speaker 2:um, vault 33. We now we start getting into the to the uh investigative journalist part of norm's arc um where he's he has an exchange with one of the uh well, norm's put.
Speaker 1:Norm needs to be punished norm.
Speaker 2:I love that bit where they're like I.
Speaker 1:Norm's, like I've already done, the worst thing that we have here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what do they say to him? They're like you don't care about your work. And he's just like yeah, yeah, don't really, Nothing you're gonna do is gonna change that yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, here you can guard, you can deliver the prisoners their food. The prisoners are just the Vault 32 people are just horrible, horrible, or are they? Or are they just?
Speaker 2:survivors. And then Norm has an exchange with one of the prisoners.
Speaker 1:There's such a subtle thing they do. Sorry, it's when Betty goes to give him the piece of cake and the knife's just stuck in the cake when she hands it to him, because she basically tells him like you're not wrong, yeah, about them. Yeah, but we can't do anything about it.
Speaker 2:Gotta follow the protocol. The protocol gotta follow the handbook and then, uh, norm, like I said, has this exchange with this prisoner and he's like you don't know what those people were up to in in that vault, vault 32, like it was weird, weird vibes, and norm is like weird, like weird vibes, eh, chet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're going on an adventure.
Speaker 2:We're going on an adventure. We're going down the hall, Chet.
Speaker 1:Chet's now Lucy's friend's new surrogate husband, which I think is hilarious.
Speaker 2:He's like Chet. Let's go to Vault 32. And Chet is like why?
Speaker 1:He's like because, and Chet's like alright, let's go. Meanwhile, the ghoul needs some of that good good. That's the only way I'm going to explain those vials that he takes. He needs some more of it. He takes him to a shop Very video game-esque Takes her to an exchange shop. I'll exchange this woman for all the vials that you have, All the drugs, please.
Speaker 2:All the drugs.
Speaker 1:One drugs please. Yeah, can I have one of the drugs please? So she goes into this vacant supermarket. Well, she takes his finger off first, yeah, yeah, yeah. She takes his finger off and you're like good job. And then he takes it right back, right to your point about you know her not being that prototypical main character energy. You know he's going to be like no, no, no. Just immediately he cuts her finger.
Speaker 2:Yeah, even like, even so far as like, when she took his finger off, I thought, and he does, he does gain like a modicum of respect for her.
Speaker 2:but like not in the sense like I'm going to let this slide, like I'm still going to take, take something from you and then again, hmm, when he goes now that is the first thing we've had to an honest, honest exchange so far and I'm like that's the good stuff. Yeah, he takes her finger right off yep, um, you know. And he lets her just wallow in the wastelands. She's missing a shoe yep, um, she's like stumbling around.
Speaker 1:She needs water it makes her drink the radioactive water, like, yeah, you're gonna become like me soon, you're gonna see what this life is like.
Speaker 2:And they get to a super duper mart and he's willing to One human woman for one drugs. Please Sends her on in there and she runs into a Mr Handy robot. Yeah, yep, voiced by Matthew Barry and incredibly by Matthew Barry. Yeah, he voices obviously the very infamous Fallout Mr Handy robots. This one is called Snip, snip for reasons to be explored and she's like, oh my God, a robot, lovely yeah.
Speaker 1:And he's, just like you know, a little apprehensive. He's just like my dear. We're going to fix you up, don't you worry.
Speaker 2:Here's a finger. Yeah, he gets her a new finger.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's like thank God. He said we're going to put you in the best clothes, the best cotton clothes. You guys have real cotton. This is incredible.
Speaker 2:She's like. I thought I was going to be a sex slave.
Speaker 1:He's like what, what? Absolutely not.
Speaker 2:That's just organs. Oh, maybe option one isn't the maybe I don't know it's both bad options.
Speaker 1:This show man is just incredible. Norm's doing his investigative work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they get to vault 32 and it's even worse than you thought yeah, yeah, norms and norms in the, in the computers like the matrix, all the vault dwellers of all 32 are dead and they're like norm's, like wait, these aren't like recently dead, like the raiders came in and killed all these folks yeah, they've been dead for they've been dead they.
Speaker 2:He finds one of the pit boys and finds out that the last activity is two years ago. Um, oh no, oh, no, bro. And then chet makes the observation where it's they're basically, it looks, he goes, they look like they're they, he goes. They look like they killed each other, like they strangled each other. What happened here? There's just horrific scenes. There's a tape being shown of rats in a maze, of like what happens when rats are stuck in a maze for too long they go crazy and they turn each other. This is symbolism, and they turn each other. This is symbolism.
Speaker 2:Symbolism, um, and yeah, norm accesses the computer vault 34 and he's like the raiders didn't break in, they just opened the door, yeah. And chad's like no, you can't do that without a pit boy. And then my brain was like the dad opened the vault, of course, yep. And then, nope, it was norm's mother, rose McClain's pit boy accessed the door. How'd you do that? How'd you do that? How'd you do that? We don't know anything about Mama McClain. No, we know she's dead. Yeah, yeah, yeah, hmm. And then Lucy wakes up, these incompetent drug addled organ harvesters. She zaps old snippy and then here we go, we see it, we see it. We see Lucy starting to turn the tides a little bit on the California wasteland when she kind of holds these guys hostage Because she sees that she's being walked in. She sees a bunch of ghouls in cages. Release the ghouls. She's still got her.
Speaker 2:She's still got her yeah, but she's, she fires a dart of of a braxo cleaner into the, into the couch between them, and she's like snip, snip, tell them what a braxo cleaner does. And he's like it's extremely poisonous. And they're like oh she, sheesh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she inadvertently kills both of them because she releases all the ghouls.
Speaker 2:Including.
Speaker 1:Including the feral ghouls, including Martha.
Speaker 2:Why did you say that name?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, because they release most of them. And they're like thank you, whatever the case is. And then she turns and she sees that there's a couple that are still locked up and she's like no, I said all of them. And she's they're like lady, like you really don't want us to let these ones go. And she's like no, I really do. Um, and she does, and martha comes out. Um, because the feral ghouls show up, kill the two organ harvesters. One survives, kills the other ghouls, and then it's just Lucy and Martha. And Lucy saw this with Roger. She saw this happen. She's trying to bring Martha back, like, yes, your name's Martha, like, focus on your name. And then Martha goes feral and Lucy kills her. It's the first time she's actually killed somebody directly, right? So you see those things just chipping away, yep. And then she escapes and gives the ghouls. She emerges half. She has like a leather bandolier on Her vault suit is like dropped down to, like it's just her tank top, like it's a great kind of just visual storytelling thing I'm starting to get this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like it's a great visual storytelling thing of you know she's not, you know, perky, proper in the, just wearing the vault suit, like her hair's down now, and she drops the drugs off with Cooper and she's like you know, maybe I will become you one day, but I'm not going to ever be anything like you. And then she lets out one of my favorite lines in the whole show because cooper makes fun of her for her, when she's like you're violating the golden rule, like have you know, do others as you would have them do to you, and cooper's like, oh my god, like shut up but he does have that nice line with her earlier where when she's drinking the water and he's like there she is, there's that little killer, and then you know, this all comes back around when she drops the drugs off her and she goes.
Speaker 1:Golden rule, motherfucker first time she ever cursed in this whole show and it's so well done, like so well deployed. And then so he goes at the end of the episode, man, the tags they leave with him are absolutely incredible, because he goes in, finds a whole pot of this, just of this concoction that he needs to stay alive. And who does he see playing on the TV that those two dumb idiots were watching? They're watching his old westerns.
Speaker 1:Oh man, he had dignity is what he says at the end of his Western Cut to black Cut to episode five the past.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, and we get. Maximus and Thaddeus are walking around. They got the head, yep.
Speaker 1:They got the head.
Speaker 2:Woo, yeah, woo-woo, because they team up, they kill the Gulpur. Good job, y'allper. They save each other. Yep, um, they have to get, because originally, when thaddeus, we which we kind of skimmed over this bit where, where, when thaddeus originally becomes maximus the squire and he just goes full you know, I'm gonna use this to just get one over on this guy makes him climb a tree um, brands him, um, just does the worst things to him, because dadius did the worst things to maximus and maximus had the worst things done to him by knight titus. So he just feels like this is how a knight of the brotherhood of steel should act, like I'm gonna abuse this guy. They run afoul of the gulper, they team up.
Speaker 1:You gotta earn it. You gotta earn it. This is like true hazing, like you gotta earn.
Speaker 2:Yes they team up, they kill the Gulper and they're kind of bro-ing around, bro-ing around. But Maximus gets too comfortable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's like hey, it's me Maximus, and he's like, ooh, where's Knight Titus? Um, well, he's kind of dead, but we can still be friends, right? He's like, ooh, remember, like the religious half of our like militaristic force? No, they're going to kill us, yeah, so, unfortunately, yeah, I'm gonna go tell it's like don't tell, don't do it.
Speaker 2:Just don't tell he breaks Thaddeus' leg, yeah, but Thaddeus escapes by removing Maximus' power core. His fusion core traps him in the armor. Maximus is going to die in there, in this Iron Maiden Essentially. And who shows up? He runs afoul of some rad roaches. Who shows up? Lucy, and she is on one now.
Speaker 1:Kills all the roaches, unlocks them. You're that guy I fell in love with 1950s.
Speaker 2:Love at first sight, look at you, but I mean to her credit, it takes a little bit of coaxing for her to save him Because he's like you have radiation poisoning. There's this rat away in my suit, if you let me out of here, and she's like man. I've had a really rough week, yeah and I can't trust anybody.
Speaker 2:Everybody I've trusted seems to I and I'm built on trust and gosh darn it, I'm sick of being, you know, yeah, double crossed right, um, but she eventually lets him out. Um, and they're like look, we're both after the same thing. She's like I put a tracker in the head. Um, we can track it and we'll get it. We'll bring it. Uh, I'll bring the head to moldaver. Um, you get your mission accomplished, you can get a couple nights of the brotherhood of steel and we can go get my dad back. Maximus is like okie dokie, okie dokie, you're pretty okie dokie. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:He's never seen a woman in his life, so he's he's, he's all about it, he's in um, they run into, they come across shady sands, which got all the Fallout people real mad Because they're like what do you mean? Shady Sands got bombed and they're like calm down, relax, it's deeper than that. So Shady Sands is this place that got nuked.
Speaker 1:And Lucy was like wait, there were people here yeah, maximus, like I was one of those people that were here and she's like ha, good joke, is that what they tell you in brotherhood of steel land?
Speaker 2:and maximus is like no, like that's just the truth, yeah, that's just. And then she's like wait, like my whole life has been predicated on like reclamation day, like we're supposed to get out of the vaults and restabilize society. She's like and it happened without us. And maximus is like well, makes you, makes you feel any better, didn't work.
Speaker 1:Still sucks up here.
Speaker 2:So little backstory. Shady Stands is a major location in the first two Fallout games. It is home of the New California Republic. Basically, the New California Republic was essentially trying to reestablish humanity and Shady Stands, between the end of Fallout 2 and the beginning of the show, was wiped out, presumably with the NCR, with them Put a pin in that.
Speaker 1:Put a pin in that.
Speaker 2:And then they get attacked. The bridge scene With Maximus and Lucy and these two people. So good, are you armed? No is, are you armed?
Speaker 1:no, no. Are you armed? No, no, we're. We're harmed. Why'd you lie to them? Stop being something so good of a person.
Speaker 2:Stop you know like, and then lucy does her lucy things where she's like we can just, we can just take a, take a deep breath and just keep it pushing and this one guy goes. What the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 1:The Maximus from the beginning knows we're not going to trust them. You realize that right.
Speaker 2:She's just like why not? They're walking with their hands up.
Speaker 1:We're walking with our hands up. He's like you've got to be the dumbest person, but I still love you, but you're just kind of stupid. And then you know, the woman crossing the bridge smiles and you see her, just completely rotted teeth and Maxim's like oh yeah, they're gonna try to murder us in a moment. We find out that these people are cannibals. They're fiends. Yeah, they're fiends. My father was a drinker and a fiend they eat people and a fiend.
Speaker 2:They eat people, and Lucy's like, of course they do. This place sucks. I hate this.
Speaker 1:Meanwhile back at Vault 33, it's election time.
Speaker 2:Venom 3 somewhere is like oh no, oh no, it's an election.
Speaker 1:We should move up so we don't have to contend with us. They don't have to contend with us. Woody's, like you know what I ran? A great pandemic. I put up 13 signs across the entire vault.
Speaker 2:It's Reg, it's Betty, it's Woody. They're running against each other.
Speaker 1:There's no way that this was rigged right.
Speaker 2:So they're in line to vote and our guy from episode one runs across Reg and he's like Davey's.
Speaker 1:Just like you know, I'm going to vote for Betty. You don't have to tell me, davey, it's fine, I'm going to vote for Betty. She's just the leader we need right now.
Speaker 2:And he's like look, we vote in private booths for a reason. Man Like this is fine. He's like I'm voting for Betty, okay, yeah. And then Reg gets in the booth and he also votes for Betty. He's like who am I?
Speaker 1:kidding, I'm voting for Betty. And you're like huh, it's almost like Betty was supposed to win. Yeah, Weird right yeah.
Speaker 2:Real weird. So Norm goes back to poke around in Vault 32 and he comes across the computer and he finds out that every Vault overseer of Vault 32 and 33 have all come from Vault 31. Huh, including, including Norm's dear old dad, hank, also came from Vault 31. Huh, interesting, very interesting, weird huh. And then, even weirder, betty is like hey, new plan, great plan, we're gonna like segment our population, we're gonna send some of our folks over to vault 32 and we're just gonna rebuild. And they go to vault 32 and norm was like, oh, and then they get there and it's all clean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and Norm can't say anything because he wasn't supposed to be there.
Speaker 2:And then he gets into the Overseer's office and the computer is smashed, yeah. And then Betty comes in, yeah, and she's like find anything interesting. And Norm is like, yeah, I did, you've been Vault 32'd. And he's like you came from Vault 31, right, betty? She's like, mm-hmm, vault 31's the best, we're the best. And then Norm goes I don't know if it's this episode or the next episode where he goes to his wife not his wife, but his cousin and his wife, his new wife, yeah. And he's like, hey, you were in vault 31. Yeah, and she's like, yep, it was the best. And he's like, what the what's, what's the best about it?
Speaker 1:yeah, she's like I can't really remember, but I just remember and she's like didn't your dad tell you?
Speaker 2:and he's like, yeah, but yeah, but all he said was the mashed potatoes were good. And she's like, yeah, the mashed potatoes were good. And and she's like, yeah, the mashed potatoes were good.
Speaker 1:And he's like huh Cool Norm's the huh character in this whole show, interesting Huh. And then the big piece to end episode four or end of episode five is that Maximus and Lucy are walking around, but Maximus is succumbing to his injury of being shot with a tooth. Unfortunately, he's been shot, yeah, with a rotten tooth.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And where do they wake up? Yeah, they go into a medical Again. Lucy, just she's like look, we got to get you medical supplies. This here's a hospital we're just going to go on in. Maximus is like this feels like a trap. Yep, like a trap it is. It was a trap. And where do they wake up? In the happiest place on Earth, of course, Vault 4.
Speaker 1:Wonderful.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, according to Lucy, Maximus is like where are we? And she's like we're in the best place on Earth A vault. Oh, no, yeah. Then we go into episode 6, which is a ripper of an episode.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think this might be my favorite episode out of this whole show. It's incredible.
Speaker 2:It's really really good. So we get a little bit of. Is this the episode where we get the Vault 4 backstory?
Speaker 1:Yes, we get the Vault 4 backstory. We get a huge chunk of Coop's backstory. We get a huge chunk of the whole show's backstory in this episode. This episode is a real treat. It is a real real treat, absolutely incredible. We start this episode with a Vault-Tec ad. This is an ad from Vault-Tec. I'm Cooper Howard. I'm Cooper Howard, I'm America's sweetheart, cooper Howard.
Speaker 2:And look at this, the symbol of American ingenuity.
Speaker 1:Now, times are tough. Nuclear weapons are a thing you might want to get. A vault from Vault.
Speaker 2:Tech. This here is Dr Whoever he is and his family. They've agreed to sit in Vault 4 for five years for a test run. And our guy is like, actually, Vault 4, funny enough, Cooper Howard is going to be just scientists. It's going to be a scientist-only vault, which is a great subversion of how I said, every vault had these secret experiments, but Vault 4, they're forefront about it. This is going to be a vault run for the scientists by the scientists, and it's going to be great 21325 Vault.
Speaker 1:if you want to get your own vault today and then cut to color great transition, incredible.
Speaker 2:I love that transition beautiful dolly.
Speaker 1:Zoom out to expand the world back to reality. Color comes into the picture. It's just, it's just so good, it's really good his wife or norm, runs into this guy and the guy says, listen, listen, q3 quarters numbers, not great. But let me tell you something. We're on the up and up. You know I used to be a defense contractor and he's like, oh okay. And you know what I love about Koopy?
Speaker 1:is just like I'm not with these suits or anything like that. You know why I have to do all this, babe, and guess what babe does. Guess what Barbara Howard does. She babe does guess what?
Speaker 2:guess what barbara howard does? She works for voltec. Yeah, oh yeah, interesting. And then uh yeah, so he's coop is whining. I guess we can just cover the entirety of the cooper howard stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah in this episode they have a party at their house.
Speaker 2:Coops like a he runs into one of his old. His old buddies also played by mat Barry?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Matthew Perry Barry, who you find out that he sold his voice? For how much money? A couple, a couple, a couple of grand, a couple of grand. Um, but they said they'd give me one of the effing robots. Now I have to walk into my house and listen to my voice every day.
Speaker 2:Um, and then he's, he's kind of chatting, chatting with some other folks. They're like, hey, man, we think there's a conspiracy around Vault-Tec and Coop's like what, calling my wife a devil, duh, nah, I just don't think there's something weird is going on. That's all you know. And then what happens? Who does he run into at this meeting? But the leader of this meeting, you're a, aren't you? Aren't you the Moldaver from the first episode? How is this possible?
Speaker 1:This is weird. How are you alive still?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but before we get to that's kind of like the end of the episode. Stinger, but speaking of the ghoul, he gets arrested for shooting up the, the super duper mart in philly, hey, the super duper mart.
Speaker 1:And what is his transgressions in philly? He, uh, he's talking smack to all these these guys.
Speaker 2:They're in sheriff get-ups. They get outside their little, their hideaway. The sign says the government on it. Watch your mouth, boy. G-o-v-e-r-m-i-n-t. Yep, the government on it. Watch your mouth, boy. G-o-v-e-r-m-i-n-t. Yep. The government. Yep. He meets the president. Yep, someone that he knows, his old pal Yep, and he's like. I heard that we rounded up a ghoul in these parts, but I didn't know it was the ghoul. I also love that. He's the ghoul in the confines of this universe. Know, was the ghoul, I also love that he's the ghoul in the confines of this universe. Um and coops just being a dick to all these guys. And then my guy, my sheriff, says again one of my favorite lines hey, you watch your mouth, that's the president of the government you're talking to he should have pulled out the line from Ooze and the Power Rangers movie.
Speaker 1:Owie, where's my autographed?
Speaker 2:book, and then he's like president huh. You're running a pretty crappy campaign, then, because this is the first I've heard of it.
Speaker 1:You said you're president now.
Speaker 2:This scene is incredible. He finagles his way to get untied so he can sew a finger. He sews lucy's finger back onto his hand, uh, and then he's like oh so the guy's like what do you have to say to your defense? And he's like guilty as charged. He's like but I'll do you one better. You know that town, philly. I killed about nine, ten people. And then sheriff dipshit is like hey, my daddy lived in philly. Or my daddy lives in philly and coop goes, lived, unless he's a coward. He's like my daddy ain't no coward. And he riles this guy up. And the president's like hey, other other sheriff, take away other sheriff's gun please. And Coop takes that opportunity to just destroy these men. Yeah, embarrassing honestly.
Speaker 2:Shoots them about 150 times before he turns to the president of the government and he sees a poster on the wall and he's like why you have this woman's face on your wall? And the president's like you have this, uh, woman's face on your wall? And president's like, well, that's a, that's a moldaver, that's moldaver, that's who you're looking for, isn't it? And coop's, like I knew a moldaver once. Well, she wasn't moldaver. Back then he said you know, that wasn't the name I knew her by. And that's how you, you know. Later on you find out that it's her and you're like whoa, um, meanwhile, vault four things are. Things are going great in Vault 4. I love the flip that Lucy and Maximus do, where Maximus is like this sucks, this is a cult.
Speaker 1:He's like you know, this is a cult right. And she's like what the vault You're in a cult, yeah, idiot.
Speaker 2:I love my place. She runs across Birdie. Who's this great, great person she runs into? You're Chris Parnell, aren't you? Yeah, and Chris Parnell, your television's. Chris Parnell. You have one eye, chris Parnell, what's going on there?
Speaker 1:No, big deal.
Speaker 2:No big deal. Oh, it's a big deal. To Lucy. She's like did you see that he had one eye? And Maximus goes some people have one eye. She's like, yeah, but not in the middle, not in the middle of their head. And lucy's like something's going on here, something weird, something weird here is going on, um, and then I, here we go, we've been waiting the whole episode, we've been waiting the whole show for the fallout main theme to drop and it drops. Uh, when she goes into the classroom, um, and you kind of see the timeline of shady sands and she unfurls a new california republic flag and the fallout theme plays and I got chills. Um, then the ncr stuff showed up and then, um, a couple of the vault dwellers are like, hey, you want to come to the ritual thing?
Speaker 2:And Lucy's like, yes, they didn't say ritual, they didn't say ritual, the celebration, and then she gets there and people are just chanting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, it starts off fine, it's like it seems quasi like a religious gathering. Yeah, it's normal, you know singing and you know hey and gestures, yeah, but what they do is just absolutely incredible, because you know taking the past and the present, like I said. So you know, while this is all going on, on Coop's end, coop has been spying on his wife. So Coop starts to understand that something's going on, like all tech's up to something. And unfortunately, the big reveal that he learns is that his wife's one of the conspirators to this too. So Coop goes that he learns is that his wife's one of the conspirators to this too. So Coop goes to spy on his wife. But he goes to meet this woman. And who would that woman be that he meets other than Moldaver? So while they're intercutting these two, the reveals for both of them, these horrifying reveals, keep coming. So he's like, ooh, this is nice, all this togetherness. And then they start getting naked and she's like okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's kind of rolling with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's like I'm going to keep my clothes on personally, and then you know, and we did miss the beginning of the episode, when Lucy and Maximus are in the thing and she's like you want to have sex, yeah, and he's like nah.
Speaker 1:No, happens when you. You know I get when guys get excited and then she's like okie dokie, it just lays down yeah, um, but yeah, we're gonna save the max. We should save the maximus part for the end, because it's the most adorable thing about this whole episode.
Speaker 2:Everyone takes their clothes off and she's like okay. And then they start praying to someone known as the flame mother and you're like well, this sounds cultish yeah, she's like was maximus right, and then who gets revealed on both ends of the spectrum and they're also.
Speaker 2:And then. And then one of the lines in the ritual is we're gonna take the ashes of the victims of shady sands and we're gonna spread them on her, because lucy's like, oh, this is nice, I got a little face paint. Yeah, kind of action. And she's like we're gonna spread the ashes of our friends and family from Shady Sands and Lucy's like, oh god wow, nice, this is a cult.
Speaker 1:This is the cult that they talk about.
Speaker 2:And then, yeah, we see the Flame Mother revealed. And who is it? Who is it?
Speaker 1:it's Moldaver, it's Moldaver. And who gets revealed in the past? It's Moldaver, it's Moldaver, she's all over the place. She is all over, she's all. I saw our family scattered across time. Shout out Paul Atreides.
Speaker 2:She's suddenly everywhere in this show and you're like what the yeah?
Speaker 1:This is a cult. Oh, no, all right, let's talk about Maximus, because it's the horrible. Yeah, so maximus is apprehensive. He's like you know, we're in a cult, right? He was gonna steal the fusion core. Yeah, I'm just gonna steal the cute fusion core and leave. And she's like no, no, no, you get healed up. Hear them out. Maximus gets to his room and the nice 1950s music starts playing.
Speaker 2:Well, birdie also gets him in the room by being like there's a hot shower yeah, he's like, I haven't showered since I was a he goes, I haven't showered yeah, he was a, he goes. I haven't showered. Yeah, he goes when you say hot shower, yeah.
Speaker 1:I've never experienced water on my skin other than sweat. This is something.
Speaker 2:He gets there, he gets in his little room Welcome basket with all sorts of goodies and treats Like caviar.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sugar, bombs Sugar bombs, caviar champagne, he showers. Yep, he's like he's loving it, yeah. He's like colt's bad question mark. Colt's good question mark. He's got a robe, yeah he's got a yeah, he gets a robe and slipper.
Speaker 1:he's like is this the greatest place on earth? Lucy, lucy, lucy, you were right, this place is awesome. She's like uh, you were actually right, this is a cult, this is actually the worst place. She says he's like uh, you were actually right, this is a cult, this is actually the worst place. She says and he's like but they gave me caviar and a robe. They gave me a robe. You wanna have sex now? Yeah, yeah. And she's just like she's like we gotta go. This is a cult.
Speaker 2:The first word out of his mouth, he goes intercourse, yeah, and she's like huh, he's like huh, he's like oh, I'm sorry, or he goes. You want to make my cock explode now?
Speaker 1:Oh, sorry, I mean intercourse yeah, she's like no, not now. We got to get out of here. This place is horrible.
Speaker 2:She's like I'm going to level 12.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and specifically Chris Parnell was like Television's Chris Parnell told me never to go to 12. And guess what me and my brother do all the time when people tell us not to go to levels, we go exactly to those levels.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she goes to level 12 and it is horrifying. You find out. Vault 4 is up to some stuff. There's a lady that gives birth to piranhas, yep, and then the piranhas devour her.
Speaker 1:That's gross.
Speaker 2:Holy moly.
Speaker 1:Yep, there's a gulper.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in a case we see our man from the beginning of the episode and he got attacked by the Gopher. Yep, there's people in pods.
Speaker 1:Yep, the head scientist has a nose on his forehead that she uses against him. Yeah, yeah, oh no, he used my own muffins against me.
Speaker 2:Now he's molly whopping me. She gets captured by Chris Barnell and Birdie and they're like we told you not to go to level 12.
Speaker 1:It's fucking weird up here, man Don't listen, they don't listen.
Speaker 2:Then we go to episode 7, the penultimate episode. The thing Lucy's in trouble, it's curtains Yep, you think she's going to be executed and they're like we sentence you to leave. She's like that's it, she's like oh no. And they're like. We're going to give you a welcome, a little parting basket of gifts and goodies yeah.
Speaker 2:And you can go, and Lucy's like huh, I thought this was like a like a thing, like a cult, and they're like well, actually, yeah, actually, look, we used to be. Vol 4 was horrible. Yeah, yeah, they did horrific things. That's why we all look like this right right, my great-grandfather was a gulper, actually.
Speaker 2:He's just like what so we've stored all the people up on level 12 to try and hopefully cure them someday. And you're like, oh, shoot they, reverse, reverse this. Yeah, wow, I've been tricked as a viewer. I've been tricked because I thought this vault was horrible. Yeah, we've been conditioned to believe vaults are horrible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, vote for current vault more, yeah, yeah. So what? They're a bit culty everybody, everybody's got cult-y stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because now I'm beginning to think All 33's the cult. Is Moldavar that bad? Has she done anything that bad so far? Yeah, no, she kidnapped Kyle McClanahan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is like a, which is likea sci-fi, cardinal sin.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, what else happens in episode seven?
Speaker 1:Well, maximus is like my hot girlfriend's out there, so I gotta go help her, I guess. Yeah, he does the thing where he's like caviar in a robe, my hot girlfriend.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so he storms the gates.
Speaker 1:He does what.
Speaker 2:He storms the capital of Vulfor With his power armor. He's throwing people around.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and she's like wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. They're actually not villainous. And he's like, really, you're giving me whiplash, lucy. Yeah, god, I guess we're going. Yeah, so they just leave. I wish they would've had a line at the end of where they left, vault 44. Like line at the end of where they left vault 44 like effing vault 44 or vault 4. He did steal. He did steal the power core, yeah.
Speaker 2:He's like can you give that back? He's like oh, fucking vault dwellers. Um, yeah, he drops the power core back down the chute and he you hear a thank you from from the, from the residents of all four, which which is really really good. Thaddeus ditches the dog, stop doing that. Contacts the Brotherhood. He's like look, I got the thing.
Speaker 1:But Thaddeus is injured and he runs into that one fake doctor. That's such a video game NPC. He's such a Fallout, but also kind of like a Skyrim SNPC where he's just like I have, but like also kind of like a skyrim smpc where he's just like I have these magical cures for you magical wares that can cure any injury.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you're like get lost.
Speaker 1:Yeah but he was actually right, to much of his surprise as well, too. He's like oh shoot, that worked yeah it, heals him instantly.
Speaker 2:But you're now a ghoul. Oh no, yeah, because he runs into Lucy and Maximus. Again, small world, they caught up to him. Yeah, and the Brotherhood is here. They come, here comes the Brotherhood, and Thaddeus runs away.
Speaker 1:Yep Thaddeus runs into.
Speaker 2:Fred Armisen Incredible cameo. Thaddeus runs away. Yep, Thaddeus runs into Fred Armisen Incredible cameo. Thaddeus runs away. Lucy is going to go to Moldaver and Maximus stays behind to be taken in by the Brotherhood.
Speaker 2:I love you, Goodbye. She takes Michael Emerson's head, Maximus takes a random head. They're not going to tell the difference between these heads? Sure, surely not? Meanwhile, back at the ranch, back in Vault 33, Norm goes into Vault 31. And that's all we get, and then so then we go back to the back, back to the back to the back back to the past. So Voldaver in the past basically says Vault-Tec has assembled a conglomerate of war profiteers. And you know they, they think about it. Coop, Think Coop. She says You're not thinking. She pulls an Omni-Man. Think Mark, Think Mark. Why would Vault-Tec make these vaults and then actively want to prevent a nuclear apocalypse? Don't you think that they put just a little too much money into the apocalypse to then prevent the apocalypse? And Coop's like huh.
Speaker 1:You should spy on your wife. He's like.
Speaker 2:Because young Moldaver has been engaging in cold fusion research which conceivably could save the world, and Vault-Tec shut her down Because, again, Vault-Tec probably wants.
Speaker 1:Much like Matt Barry said, there's not much profiting that you can do out of that, but there is profiting in war.
Speaker 2:So spy on your wife? Basically, your wife works for Vault-Tec. You can find out.
Speaker 1:What's going on? What's going on over?
Speaker 2:here what's going on in Vault-Tec? Yeah, that's what happens.
Speaker 1:Episode 8.
Speaker 2:Yeah, episode 7 is a lot of setup for what goes on in Episode 8, because we get a bunch of stuff. A bunch of stuff happens in the season finale. So Howard Coop eavesdrop on her and Bud Askins. A big part of this episode is we finally find out what the deal with Vault-Tec is. So Coop is with Bud Askins and his wife deal with Vault-Tec is. So Coop is with Bud Askins and his wife and they go into a meeting where Cooper then listens in on this. Basically this meeting of Bud and Cooper's wife representing Vault-Tec. We get Frederick Sinclair as a top executive. We get a West Tech executive. West tech is the, the arms dealer. Um, we get a repcon executive and then this is where my fallout brain and ears perked up we get a rafi silver as robert house, the executive of Robco and, most notably, one of the tertiary antagonists, depending on how you look at it, of Fallout New Vegas. Mr House, robert House is this kind of Elon Musk-esque figure who, as you find out in this meeting, is not really on board with Vault-Tec's stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, master plan, you find out who the real villain is.
Speaker 2:He more or less wants to take Las Vegas and section it off himself and just kind of run it himself his own way. And then we find out Vault-Tec and all these other people are like, so we have these vaults.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But that's not fun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's like boring.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but that's not fun. Yeah, that's like boring.
Speaker 1:Yeah. What if we made it fun? Yeah, you know the best way to make it fun, yeah.
Speaker 2:Let's end the world.
Speaker 2:Let's end the world and then, like all these, Like yeah, like in all these vaults we just set up a little like like a little gimmick, yeah, with like oh, I love capitalism. Yeah, like all the executives like what if? Like, what if? A vault. But like we purposely like elect an overseer that dies super soon, right, like we elect like a terminally ill overseer, like to see like how the people react to that, right. And they're like what if we do a vault where it's just kids? Yeah. Or like what if we do a vault where we, we, we take everything away but we stock it with like three times the guns and like see what happens. And then robert house is like not interested, like I'm just gonna take las vegas and just kind of do my own thing. Guys, like I'm not miles morales.
Speaker 1:Nah, I'm gonna do my own thing this feels weird, like I'm not.
Speaker 2:This feels weird and Coop's like oh my god. My wife is the devil, and yet Right, and you find out, yeah, like Vault-Tec started the war. Ah, Wasn't America, it wasn't the Chinese, it was this company, Vault-Tec, that dropped the first bomb. And you're like, oh no, and then, and then, and then, and then Coop gets home and, you know, his wife's new assistant shows up, who he's only spoken to on the phone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he says the secretary there says Coop, he might ask for an autograph. He's just such a big fan.
Speaker 2:He's a real go-getter though.
Speaker 1:And who pops out than DH?
Speaker 2:Kyle McClanahan. His name is Hank McClane. Oh no, you're like whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1:And then you say to yourself there's no way that he's the villain right. Whoa, whoa, whoa. And then you say to yourself there's no way that he's the villain, right.
Speaker 2:And then you're like ooh, smash, cut to Vault 31 with Norm. He opens the door and who's there but a good old-fashioned Fallout vault brain in a jar. It's Bud Askins. It is Bud Askins, but he's a brain, yeah, in a Roomba.
Speaker 1:And he's like I'm gonna get you and Norm's like well, you're kind of slow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love the subversion here, because typically in Fallout when you encounter the brain-in-the-jar villain, it's always like an all-powerful or it's the president or something like that, but no, it's just goofy Bud Askins, buds, buds, yep, buds, buds. His master plan has been enacted. His master plan, you say middle management middle management.
Speaker 1:So we find out all of vault 31's residents everybody to know that the the actual name from prime for the brain is brain on a room book. That's literally. Is it really?
Speaker 2:it's brain on a room book, amazing. So, yeah, we uh. Yeah, vault 31. We find out that bud, bud Askins, has cryogenically stored all the junior executives of Vault-Tec and has been kind of just slow, rolling them out into Vault 32 and Vault 33 to purposely engineer, basically resurrect Vault-Tec, essentially through middle management. And Norm is like what? This is ridiculous, what a ridiculous idea. And then, yeah, lucy shows up, she comes across Moldaver and she's like here's Michael Emerson's head Telling my dad back and she's like you're probably going to want to hear this.
Speaker 2:Do you really want your dad? Yeah, do you even know your dad? Yeah, you don't know your dad, His dad's like shut up and then we start seeing a little bit of a mean streak in Kyle McClanahan Just shut up now. You can shut up now. She's a liar Lucy. She would never tell you the truth about anything.
Speaker 1:I was a great bit of acting out of the two of them. It was like the Daredevil Punisher rooftop they're both talking over each other. He's like, he's just like. Are you gonna believe this woman like?
Speaker 2:she's just like you, you think, what do you think happened to?
Speaker 1:shady sands. And then you find out there's a, there's a ghoul sitting at the table.
Speaker 1:Oh my god yes and you find out multiple things. You find out multiple things. You find out that the ghoul is her mama. Yeah, it's mama mclean. Mclean is the ghoul. You find out that not only was that, that lee and mama mclean were friends, and not only that, that, early on, guess what rose found out, she found out the master plan and she's like well, I'm taking the kids and I'm taking the kids and leaving yeah, and then you find out, basically because, because Lucy has this memory, right, this memory of her mom kind of raising her in the sunlight and she, you know, obviously she thinks it was the vault's fraudulent fake son that she was living under.
Speaker 2:But no, you find out, she was in the very real son of Shady Sands. She was in the very real son of Shady Sands. Her mom, when she found out the plan, she absconded with Lucy and Norm, raised them in Shady Sands and Hank found them and, just out of pure vengeance, nuked Shady Sands. Hank was the architect of the destruction of Shady Sands, you know, altering the course of not just his daughter's life but Maximus' life.
Speaker 1:Because guess where Maximus is from? Shady Sands. He was a young little puck in Shady Sands, and guess who Maximus was found by in Shady Sands? But a brotherhood of steel knight who he was inspired by to join them, and all that's what he wanted to be when he grew up.
Speaker 2:So Hank McClane is.
Speaker 1:The stories are weaving.
Speaker 2:Hank McClane is the villain of this season of Fallout, as you find out, and you're like, oh no, and Moldaver is like. You have to convince your father to give me the code to unlock the Cold Fusion reactor so I can restore power to.
Speaker 1:Los Angeles.
Speaker 2:And Lucy finally just totally shuts off her father and she's like give her the code. Dad, I'm over it. Look what you've done to our family. You killed tens of thousands of people in Shady Sands. You turned our mom into a ghoul. No good Dad.
Speaker 1:And then, and then from the beginning of the episode we'll jump back a bit to Maximus, goes back to the Brotherhood of Steel and he's about to be. You know, we're about to kill you, boy, because you done, did it now.
Speaker 2:You've done, did it. You've double-crossed us for the last time.
Speaker 1:Maximus is like wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, I'm going to give you guys something super cool, if you let me go. And then the one guy's just like you know, it's almost like Benny Jezzard-esque, like the one leader from the Brotherhood of Steel's like you know, we measure our plans in centuries. Like you know, we're going to send out all of our, all of our forces. It's going to be a big third act fight and then the whole entirety of the brotherhood of steel pull up to pull up.
Speaker 2:It sounds like Vietnam. Um, good morning shady sand. Come on man. Um, yeah, the brotherhood rocks up because we also find out that Maximus' friend put the boot, the blade, in their own boot. Yeah, Because they were afraid of leaving. Like it was going to be like a death sentence to go out there and they were probably right, yeah, because then that happens, the war happens, the battle happens.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's a good-looking battle man. They saved all the battle budget for this episode. It's the Brotherhood versus the remnants of the New California. You find out that Moldavar's group is essentially remnants of the New California Republic and, yeah, she activates the cold fusion reactor while the Brotherhood is here. I mean, it's not much of a fight. The Brotherhood's power is just overwhelming. Um, they overwhelm all davis forces. But meanwhile who shows up? But the ghoul yep, because he's got his own vendetta to settle and just cut to like one of the best scenes where he's like I bet you boys feel real powerful in that armor, don't you? He's like I would know I wore it myself. He's like, except there's one little flaw right under the flaw in the welding right under the chest plate and his brother brother guy looks down and coop's like I wonder if they fixed it. And then he fires his gun into this brotherhood of Steel guy and kills him like instantly. And you're like, oh snap.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He cuts the lights off and they're like kill that ghoul, and you just see how dangerous this man has become. Yep, like he, like they do, the show does a good job of establishing the Brotherhood of Steel and then, by proxy, establishing how dangerous the ghoul is Because he just mows all these guys down.
Speaker 1:yep and then maximus gets to lucy. They have a good, they have a good embrace. Oh no, but max was don't step out of the suit, though, and then, or no, he doesn't step out of the suit. Um kyle mcleanahan's character gets gets one of the suits. Um gets shot by the ghoul, and then the ghoul, like you said, for his personal vendetta. Where's my family?
Speaker 2:I knew your name was mclean, or what does he say to him? How about a autograph? Little henry, where's my fucking family? And then he shoots kyle mclean hand, but kyle mclean hand gets away he gets away. Uh, he gets away. The ghoul basically convinces Lucy like you got to leave Maximus here, Like he's got to go back to the Brotherhood, Like he can't come with us. Lucy lets out a big sigh, but I love him.
Speaker 2:And then she goes okie dokie, okie dokie, and then Moldaver is sitting there with Rose, or what's left of rose and she goes because lucy kills her.
Speaker 1:Yeah couldn't see her mother like that she sees.
Speaker 2:You know, moldaver looks at the, looks out at the lights of los angeles, the now lit up los angeles, like mission accomplished, and then she dies. Yeah, the brotherhood blows up the compound, kills Moldaver in the process, but she got to see her vision, at least for now, fulfilled. So you basically find out at the end Moldaver wasn't really a bad person. She was actually the good guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know yeah.
Speaker 1:And then for Maximus's end you, he essentially becomes like an all, but he gets everything he wants, and this is just I. I think my favorite part about him is the actor that's playing him. It delivers such a nuanced performance. As you see, he was given everything he wanted and it was freaking overrated it was overrated, andrated, and he got it for something that he didn't even do.
Speaker 2:Nope, they ascend him to knighthood for killing Moldavar, which he didn't do, and he becomes Knight Maximus, and then the ghoul and Lucy kind of go out the back door and then, and then, and then, and then our post not post-credit, but our end credit end. Stinger is comic and he arrives at this location and he looks out into the Las Vegas wasteland of new Vegas is where he ends up, to what end we don't know, but that is the end of fallout season one and it was incredible.
Speaker 1:Just so good, so compelling. It's daunting, but you can't take your eyes off of it. It looks good. This show looks very good, but again, the big thing that comes out of this is however good the world is, it doesn't work if your characters can't play off of it, and the characters in this are, are all well thought after and well taken care of. Um, and you know, and you said it at the top, you know the show is handled with with some tlc, with some tender love and care. So, what a what a show, what a season. Um, I do think the next season will be week to week and it's going to take advantage of the intrigue. Now, I think the show it's at an 8.6 on IMDb, which is, you know, biblically high which is awesome.
Speaker 1:So you know we always talk about this golden age of television and the streaming services, and you know the good, the bad and the ugly that come out of it. This is the good, this is the good that comes out of it. You get a property which could have went south very fast, but once you get people that care about what they're doing and care about keeping the universe alive, this is what you get.
Speaker 2:We're presumably going to get Season 2, Lucy and the Ghoul teaming up to track down Hank. I'm curious how Maximus is going to get wrapped up in all this. He's a knight in the Brotherhood of Steel.
Speaker 1:I think a good way to present and something you can do, is you can turn Maximus into a villain of one of these seasons where Maximus and Lucy have to go. Two loves have to, unfortunately, have to go head to head.
Speaker 2:We're clearly going to.
Speaker 1:Which is going to be a good mirror of Barb and Coop as as well too, because you know.
Speaker 2:We still have to find out what happened to Cooper's family.
Speaker 1:Yeah, norm had to go into cryosleep because he was locked. He was going to starve to death if he stayed alive, so he had to go into.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so he's stuck in Vault 31. Yep.
Speaker 1:Right, there's so many things you know. It's such a finality to this season end, but there's such a look forward to multiple seasons of this show. Yeah, the finale.
Speaker 2:The finale really set up a lot of the plot threads for next season, which is exactly what you want a finale to do. Hank's going to New Vegas. That opens up a whole other direction of things. What does New Vegas look like?
Speaker 1:We didn't even touch the Enclave yet.
Speaker 2:No, and yeah, the Enclave, like I said, is a massive, massive part of the Fallout world. It's essentially the remnants of the US government. The real president, not the remnants of the us government um where the real president?
Speaker 1:not the, not the, not the president of the government, the real president to you maybe not, not my, it's not my president um because he works for the government.
Speaker 2:That's the president of the government you're talking about. Oh, is that right? Um, yeah, the enclave I feel like they could save the enclave for seasons down the line and not even touch them, um, for for a while. Um, that's super interesting. You have, like I said, the new vegas stuff with robert house and how that's going to unfurl. Um, presumably that's who hank's going to see. I would imagine he's going to see robert house because he knows who he is, um, as part of robco and knowing what House's deal with New Vegas was. So that's super interesting. Coop's family, like you said, is a big mystery because you would have assumed, based on the day the bombs fell, that they were maybe killed, but that's not the case it looks like Not the case, if he's still looking for them and he apparently seems to think Vault-Tec had something to do with it.
Speaker 1:And it makes sense that Barb would keep herself alive. But who knows what happened to their daughter as well too?
Speaker 2:And then more vaults. I'm imagining we're going to visit more vaults, more creatures. Probably going to get a Deathclaw in the second season. I would imagine the infamous Fallout Deathclaw I would imagine we'd get. I mean, really the potential is limitless and I love like this to me, like, if you're going to adapt obviously certain video games, you have to adapt the story right, like the Last of Us. You couldn't just do the Last of Us and set it in the Last of Us universe and create new characters. Probably wouldn't have worked. But this, where you know, where the main character throughout the entire series is a new character each time. It's always a reflection of the player. However the player wants to play is how the character plays out.
Speaker 1:And there's a level of ambiguity that comes with that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So a show like this Fallout, you don't have to base it on a storyline of the game.
Speaker 1:And then that really lets a good writer like Jonathan Nolan flex Like why they are a good writer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you've essentially, and I think Jonathan Nolan even said it. Leading up to the show, people asked Todd Howard about the owner of Bethesda what's going to happen with Fallout 5? And Jonathan Nolan was like this is kind of it. Yep, this is kind of this kind of is fallout 5 like it's set in the same universe. It's just a new story, um, and that's, you know, that is fallout like.
Speaker 2:So this, basically, you're basically seeing fallout 5 play out before you, um, with these characters and I think that's a great, great place for it to be because, like I said, you could see this thing running for three, four, five, six seasons. You know if everyone wants to stay on board with it, right, that's Fallout. So good man, I was so pleasantly surprised. I would not be surprised. Ron Perlman famously does the narration for all the Fallout games. It's Ron Perlman's voice that ushers the infamous line that Barb says in Episode 8, war Never Changes. It's a Ron Perlman line from all of the Fallout games. So I wouldn't be surprised if they got Ron Perlman in to do maybe a season one recap.
Speaker 1:I could definitely see them doing something like that, like Helen Mirren did for Barbie, type of thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I could definitely see them getting Ron Perlman in to do a season one recap and then probably just end the recap with war. War never changes.
Speaker 1:And then obviously we know Aaron Paul, jonathan Nolan's guy from Westworld and maybe in some other show that might or might not be famous, who knows, you know Jonathan Nolan's guy from Westworld and maybe in some other show that might or might not be famous, who knows, you know, notoriously said I'm down. Yeah, aaron Paul's a big Fallout fan. I'd be down, I'd be down to do Fallout. So I do think that they're going to usher in Aaron Paul as one of the new main characters, whether he be a ghoul, whether he be a Vault-Tec employee, that's going to be seen. But a Vault-Tec employee, that's going to be seen. But I think that's going to be a fun addition. Obviously, moldaver's dead and I don't know if you feel the same way, but Aaron Paul seems very wasteland-y so I feel like you can get him into.
Speaker 2:I mean what they could do and I don't know if they would do this, but since you're setting the series in New Vegas at least part of the second season in New Vegas you could just make him Courier 6 and give Aaron Paul the extension of the Courier story. You could do that. I don't know if they would, but that would be kind of neat.
Speaker 1:Right, but even though he would be the first character to get pulled from the games into the live action, which would give credence to the fact that this is Fallout 5, essentially this show is Fallout 5.
Speaker 2:If you're going to get someone like Aaron Paul, you're going to set the show in New Vegas, part of the show anyway. I don't think the whole season is going to take place in New Vegas, but I don't know. That could be an avenue they go. They could just make Aaron Paul a courier Because you know, the courier of all the Fallout protagonists has a very interesting backstory in the sense that he's not a Vault Dweller, or they are not a Vault Dweller. It's more, they're tasked with bringing the Platinum Chip to Mr House, which is essentially like it upgrades his operating system so that he can successfully run New Vegas. And then the Courier gets shot in the head in the beginning of the game and then the mystery of the game is you have to find out who shot you basically. So mystery of the game is you have to find out who shot you basically. So I could see Aaron Paul. You know they canonize the courier and bake that Aaron Paul.
Speaker 1:That'd be super cool and he's probably going to get a super cool backstory, because that's what this show's all invested in. Yeah, Any other since we're speaking to Aaron Paul any other actor that you actor or actress you'd want to see in this universe, that you think would play well in this universe in fallout.
Speaker 2:Huh, that's a great point I'm trying to think of. Like amazon, like amazon stable, like steven yoon does he want to go back to a wasteland show? Did you do carl urban? I could see working really well, car Carl.
Speaker 1:Urban would work real well in that oh so I'm going to take your Carl Urban and I'm going to upgrade it to kind of the quasi Lucy piece to it. I think Jack Quaid in that universe would be money. Just for the same thought process, can I get a package deal of getting Jack Quaid and Dennis Quaid in that universe? As a father, son, I'd be pretty good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I could see Jack Quaid in this universe as a father-son. That'd be pretty good. I could see Jack Waid in this universe as just like one of those guys I know That'd be pretty good. Steven Yoon, that'd be a good one. Like I said, I don't know if he would bring himself back to a post-apocalyptic wasteland.
Speaker 1:JK Simmons also in. There would be all types of fun.
Speaker 2:Make JK Simmons the president of the Enclave oh my God, that's actually a genius plan.
Speaker 1:That's actually one of the most genius plans you've made. Yeah, I feel like this show could benefit from getting some Listers in there, some more A-Listers in there. Sure, or maybe not.
Speaker 2:Maybe it doesn't need it.
Speaker 1:Maybe it doesn't need it, but I feel like you have SyFy's A-Lister and Kyle McClanahan, though.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:What a show man. It's great, Tremendous show.
Speaker 2:We talked about Fallout for two hours Good stuff. Yeah, you got any final thoughts?
Speaker 1:That was it. Man Put Jack Wade.
Speaker 2:Put Jack Wade in it. I was just super impressed. I was super impressed. I'm glad that a lot of the stuff they did was practical, even the CGI stuff they did. When they did it looked really good. The Gulper looks great.
Speaker 1:The power armor looks great.
Speaker 2:Lucy.
Speaker 1:McClane looks great.
Speaker 2:Yep, true, true Words are never spoken. And just yeah, they did just a fantastic job of not just relying on the world to sell the show. They were like, no, we're actually going to make this about the characters, which I love that you could tell they spent a lot of time crafting these characters, um, and you know, storyboarding how they were going to interact with one another, um, how their characters were going to develop and change over the course of the show. Funny enough, like with with the ghoul, it wasn't so much his character changed as it was the bits and pieces of his backstory justifying his, his demeanor. Both ways, both ways.
Speaker 1:Yup. And it just, and it became sad almost because he was this good guy. He was this good, you know actor turned father, turned, you know, house husband. Essentially he was the you know the house husband supportive, supportive house husband. Essentially he was the you know the house husband Supportive yeah, supportive house husband, you know that wants his wife to be the best. And then you find out that the wife is the villain.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if not even the villain, just so much as just complicit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she was complicit, fine with you know, even a world and then you know it's an, you know you're going to, you know it's retroactive that he thinks this, but like you know, we have a daughter. You know like you're going to put her into this, into this situation, and she's like I'm doing this because of our daughter.
Speaker 2:And you know he has that whole like in that argument he has with her when he says, like you know, she says no dogs in the vault, like they have to leave their dog behind. And he's like, well, who says who made that rule? Like I fought an actual literal war to to preserve our freedom and now you're telling me I just have to give it up to to a corporation, right? And she's like, well, do you want to live or do you want to not live? Like you know, vault, we got a spot in the vault already because I work for vault tech and and she's like, and she goes, it's one of the good ones, and he goes, what does that? What does that mean?
Speaker 2:And then we find out in episode eight what that means is there are, there were, legit vaults in the following universe, but they were reserved for, you know, either the vault tech employees or you know the higher, like you know billionaires, you know typical capitalism, shit. You know what I mean. Like it. And then you know, kind of like the more general populace were sent to, not sent to, but they were put in the the, the freaky experimental vaults. Um, let's do a whole episode on vault lore yeah, of like, just different vaults, because some of these, some of them are just horrific yeah um, what would you make?
Speaker 1:well end like this, what vault would you make?
Speaker 2:uh, like a gimmick vault. Yeah, what gimmick vault would you make? Uh, man, there's so many ones that the games have already covered. That was like quote unquote, like good ideas, like there was the one it's not it's not the one I'm thinking of, but it's the one. There's a vault where they are told that they have to sacrifice someone every year to keep the vault running or the vault will activate a protocol that exterminates everyone. So they eventually decide as a collective that the overseer would be the one to be sacrificed every time. So they start decide as a collective that the overseer would be the one to be sacrificed every time. So they start running reverse elections, like vote for this guy for overseer because he's a communist or whatever. And then eventually it gets down to I think five or six people left in this vault after all this time and they finally have had enough. They don't elect one. And then the cruelty of it is there's a message that plays from Vault-Tec that says like congratulations, um, you represent like the best of humanity. It's like the whole point of the vault was they were never supposed to sacrifice anyone, but they didn't figure that out until there was only like six of them left and I think they all ended up killing themselves themselves, um, because they thought that they would all die. It's wild, um.
Speaker 2:But as for one that I would establish, I don't know, I feel like I'm, I feel like I can't come up with one. That's like sadistic. I feel like mine would just be like I don't even know, I can't even think of one off. That's sometimes something I feel like I can think of off the top of my head. I'd have to storyboard it and see how it would come. Did you have one? I did have one.
Speaker 1:What is it? You do a sports vault, but it's messed up. So you do a sports vault and it's like the NCAA tournament. So it's like you got teams. You got it's like the NCAA tournament. So it's like you got teams. You got to do a sport. I don't know what the sport would be, but you got to do the sport. Ooh, you know what would be even more fun. The sport flashes on the board and this is the sport you need to play and you have to win the game, and the loser of the team gets murdered. Oh my God. And it's a tournament, so you got to keep going. So it's like a round of how many other people divide it, and then you keep going, and then you get a champion and that's it.
Speaker 2:I do know in Fallout 3, vault 101 had baseball. Nice, I do know that was a thing they had a vault baseball team, because that was one of the questions. When you're building your character, is you talk about the vault baseball? Like what position would you play on? The vault baseball team is like one of the questions. So I do know they at least had baseball in the vaults, so I don't know if they had any other sports that's all that's real midwestern of them.
Speaker 1:Like a nice, you know it's america's pastime, yeah america's pastime oh man, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't know what I would do for a vault. Probably do like a, probably do like a like a almost like, kind of like. Kind of like how, like where vault 33 was going, where you have like a council of overseers instead of like one overseer, because I don't know if they ever did that, I think like every vault had like one overseer. So I feel like my social experiment would be like well, how do you, how do you, how are you subservient to like a council? Like how does that? How does that look? Like, does the council get like overthr? Like power, hungry, power, crazy. Like do they take away the resources? Like how you know, how does that work? Do you vote? Do you put people on the council? Or is it like a Supreme Court style, like they'd serve for life? Like how does that? I'd probably do something like that.
Speaker 1:Maybe a council where a kid runs it, a vault where the kid's in charge? Oh no, it's just Joffrey from Game of Thrones.
Speaker 2:They have those two vaults that are mirrors of each other, where I think it's like 99 men and one woman in a vault, and then there's another vault that's the opposite, and I'm just like, ooh.
Speaker 1:Yikes Vault, tech man, horrible people.
Speaker 2:Terrible, that whole group. No good they're just middle management. Buds, buds.
Speaker 1:Buds buds.
Speaker 2:Well, that's going to do it for us. This week we had a blast.
Speaker 1:I see what you did there my thumb, or your thumb, best song that they played. I mean it's tough not to say Nat King Cole's. I Don't Want to See Tomorrow, but I might go hold on, let's look at the playlist for the whole show, because it's just money. I might the Johnny Cash song that they play. I was going to say that so doggone lost some when Maximus is just getting beat down.
Speaker 2:I'm a Johnny Cash simp, so that's not bad.
Speaker 1:Oh, what's the one song that they play? Hold on, it's the. Oh, what a Difference a Day Makes. It's real good. I like that quite a bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm so glad that they went to.
Speaker 1:I've been just listening to 50s music for like the past two weeks.
Speaker 2:That's fallout man. You're like, oh shoot, I'm in, I'm in on all this stuff.
Speaker 1:Nat King Cole is going to be my number one on Spotify.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, I'm excited for the future of this. That's going to do it for us this week, ladies and gentlemen, you can follow us on Twitter at ProjectsINF underscore pod. You can follow us on Instagram.
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Speaker 2:Yeah, that's Fallout Next week. I don't know, should we do Invincible next week?
Speaker 1:Probably. What if something happens?
Speaker 2:Something happens, something will happen, but tentatively scheduled. We'll talk about Invincible Season 2. I re-watched it recently and it made me mad that they took that huge break Because that show flows really well, yeah, and season two probably had a better flow than season one, which is crazy. Yeah, it just didn't feel necessary.
Speaker 1:There's so much energy that goes into that show as well too, and it was just it's so compelling too. It's just it's so. It's such a. This season was very I mean daunting is a word to use. It's a frustratingly what's the word I'm looking for? Powerhouse of a season. It's got so much. It just keeps hitting you and hitting you and hitting you, and you can't get back up until you fight back. And I thought you were stronger.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man. So maybe we'll do that. We'll talk about Invincible week, unless something, unless something pops off, um, but that's it. That's fallout. In a nutshell, what a show. Great job, amazon. You've done it again. You've done it again, amazon, you're, you're, you're slowly catching up to netflix.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just their quality is what's really keeping them together, like all their projects, even like filmmaking-wise, they all have quality to them. There's nothing that's just being released, so hats off. Yeah, oh, no, is Amazon the corporate house that Fallout was trying to destroy.
Speaker 2:There's a meta-commentary there that I'm not going to go. I'm not going to touch it, but there's a meta commentary there that I'm not going to touch yet.
Speaker 1:But for me from the Careful. You got to be real careful here, fury.
Speaker 2:I mean I can still say that Maximus is in the podcast.
Speaker 1:Is that a good thing? Yeah, is it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, because he's like I can't even say he's a good person. He's like a person. Look, he stumbled upwards. All right, he did stumble upwards he.
Speaker 1:He's like a person. Look, he stumbled upwards. Alright, he did stumble upwards. He took advantage of every situation that he was given.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's not a bad thing inherently.
Speaker 1:And he's like him, Like he has a lot of moments where he does a lot of him things, yeah, and like nothing he's an issue, Like he's capable.
Speaker 2:Like he didn't, like he didn't ultimately betray his friend. No, no.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you he's the most like it's a funny statement I just made, but it's probably the most. He's the most person.
Speaker 2:He's not a good he's Like he shot first on those fiends, but he was also right and he also protected Lucy, Like he's like.
Speaker 1:He's not a bad person. No, he's not an intrinsically good person.
Speaker 2:He just seizes on opportunities. He's a person. Yeah, he's a person, yeah.
Speaker 1:He's a human.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but like every decision, every action he made, like wasn't the wrong. I mean, it wasn't the wrong choice in the sense, except when he saved that, the doctor he's like in the it was probably the objectively wrong choice.
Speaker 1:He's like in the middle of like succumbing to the wasteland and trying to take advantage of the wasteland.
Speaker 2:He's fucking my chickens, maxim. I was like, yeah, get out of here, all right, see you later. But yeah, I really liked the show man.
Speaker 1:It was so good, such good stuff. Next show that's coming out is the Boys, I believe yeah. However, we will be watching Shogun and, depending on how that show goes for both of us, maybe it won't be a full episode, but we will talk about it. People are calling it some of the best television that's ever been released.
Speaker 2:They're saying it's like a Game of Thrones rival.
Speaker 1:Right, which is just insane, but the amount of people that are saying that does it does make me question.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm in.
Speaker 1:I'm in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, me too. Alright, man, Until next week we'll probably talk about Invincible, but until then, goodbye.
Speaker 1:Okie dokie.
Speaker 2:War never changes.
