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126- Film Retrospective: Deadpool (2016)
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Join us as we celebrate our new YouTube channel launch, where you can now enjoy all our episodes! At a time where R-Rated Comic Book movies were reserved for Zack Snyder, Ryan Reynolds brought us an idea that was several starts and stops in the making: After several professional hiccups, he finally gained enough gravitas (with the assistance of a timely footage leak) to bring us Deadpool in 2016. We reflect on the monumental impact of the original Deadpool movie, from its groundbreaking fourth-wall-breaking humor to its future influence on R-rated superhero films. We look at Deadpool 8 years later and what it did for the comic book movie genre and why Ryan Reynolds, more than any actor was UNIQUELY suited to play this role and do what he did. Before that, we talk trailers for Andrew Garfield & Florence Pugh’s new A24 film, Gladiator 2, Agatha All Along & The Watchmen animated series. Timecodes are provided if you want to skip around to your topic of choice! Thank you to everyone who continues to support and don’t forget to subscribe to download new episodes as they become available and don’t be afraid to share a rating!
0:00 Intro/Deadpool 3 Reveals & Speculation
02:32 Trailer for “We Live in Time” Starring Andrew Garfield and Florence Pugh
06:26 Gladiator 2 Trailer
14:35 Agatha All Along Trailer
21:13 Watchmen: Chapter 1 Animated Trailer
23:53 Inside Out 2 on Track to be the Biggest Animated Movie Ever
26:35 Film Retrospective: Deadpool (2016)
01:02:57 Awards for Deadpool (2016)
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Topic for Next Week: Film Retrospective: Deadpool 2
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Speaker 2:Now, as we kind of talked about last week, deadpool and Wolverine quickly approaching the early kind of responses are coming in and people are quite positive about Deadpool 3, deadpool and Wolverine, whatever you want to call it, and that's super exciting. And I'm not surprised. And the reason I'm not surprised is for what we're going to talk about over the next couple of weeks. And I'm not surprised, and the reason I'm not surprised is for what we're going to talk about over the next couple of weeks. We're going to kind of take a look at these other two Deadpool movies this week, the first one this week, the second one next week. So, deadpool 1, we're going to do a little film retrospective on, just kind of highlighting how it got made, how it ended up becoming the highest rated One of them well, at the time, the highest rated R-rated film of all time the reception to it, which was overwhelmingly positive, and we'll just kind of talk about why that movie seemed to work so well, obviously spearheaded by Ryan Reynolds.
Speaker 2:But a lot more goes into it than that. So we'll talk about that and a bunch of other stuff about deb pool, one, um, and I'm super excited to do that. But first we have some news, and it's not so much news as, as it's a good old-fashioned trailer week, um, a lot of trailers to talk about, to digest um, first and foremost, um bet you didn't see this coming, but he is the patron saint of the podcast, so andrew garfield and florence pew are going to be starring in an a24 film, kind of you know yeah, just dovetailing off the topic of last week you love to see um, yeah, of course right yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So john crowley, directing an a24 film starring andrew garfield and florence pew, called we live in time.
Speaker 1:I believe, based off a book, if I'm not mistaken. I could be wrong, but it might be based off of a book as well, and it's going to be. Is cinema back? It's going to be one of those movies Cinema might be back. I mean, obviously I'm looking forward to this. I mean, the director of this had done Brooklyn with Saoirse Ronan in 2015 and has done episodes of the original Recipe, true Detective and episodes of Black Mirror the Aaron Paul episode of Black Mirror so definitely got some great credits behind him as well.
Speaker 1:Hopefully, you know, this gets Andrew Garfield some mention for his first Oscar. I mean, as this, the channel that loves him so, so much, I would love for him to, you know, get some hardware, you know, in his, in his closet. I mean somebody with a career like that, that's. You know he's been through so much as an actor. You know he's been doing this for how long and you know I feel like he's gained so much love over the last couple of years. We loved him since the start but you know, all jokes aside, somebody that's gained so much love, it's just I love going on, you know, going on Twitter and like just seeing this trailer come out and people are like we love Andrew Garfield more than we love Aaron Same. That guy's awesome, he's amazing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's been nominated for two Academy Awards, for Hacksaw Ridge and Tick Tick Boom.
Speaker 1:That Tick Tick, boom performance.
Speaker 2:Incredible.
Speaker 1:He just decided, yeah, I'm going to sing, yeah, he won the Golden Globe, obviously for Tick, tick Boom.
Speaker 2:He got a Tony Award. He's got a Tony Award under his belt, so he just it feels like over the last what is this 2024? So probably like five-ish years he's just been kind of knocking on the door of like that big you know Oscar winning performance Tick, tick Boom. In another year could have been that, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I think for some, and having a performance like that, where you know you're, you're also performing as well. I mean, essentially you're always performing, but when you're never done so before, exactly, and how incredible. And you know, I'm not afraid to say that if my my apple music replay for 2023, that was my most listened to album from 2023 was the tick, tick, boom uh soundtrack.
Speaker 2:So yeah, so um super excited for this. The trailer just looks like it's gonna be one of those movies that just breaks your heart.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it gave me a lot of vibes. The same, the same feeling I got when I watched the past lives trailer, where I don't want to, I don't want to exist anymore this hurts.
Speaker 2:It's gonna be. You know, it's gonna be one of those movies that's equal parts heartwarming and heartbreaking, yeah, and.
Speaker 1:I mean going to the heartwarming part, that's the other side of the coin. That's Florence Pugh. How incredible she is, how enigmatic she is as well too. She is such an absolute ball of fire whenever she does anything. She's one of those actors where it's like I have no choice but to pay attention and listen. She has such an auditory version of herself as much as a visual version, and I really appreciate the work that she does. I just love how versatile she is too. I mean, she really can do any genre, anything you ask. You insert her and she's incredible, and then adds a little bit more than that too.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I mean, I'm looking forward to it, I'm really looking forward to it and, like I said, I hope it's. Like I said, Andrew Garfield's been knocking on the door. It seems like for the last five or so years when it comes to actually, you know, winning an Oscar.
Speaker 1:So we'll see if maybe this is the one, yeah, and Florence Pugh can get something as well. Also Oscar-nominated Florence Pugh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, yeah, um, so that's that and then the next bit gladiator.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is what everybody was waiting for, right? Uh, we got a gladiator 2 trailer, the really scott directed sequel to, obviously, to gladiator 1, the all-time great gladiator 1. And um, yeah, man, we got, we got actors, actors doing acting in this trailer. Um, first and foremost denzel. You know, I think it's one of those things where, when we saw that he got cast in this, we were like, excuse me, like whoa, um, we're, you know, curious to see what that would look like.
Speaker 1:And it looks pretty much like denzel washington I think he's at that point in his career where he could kind of, you know, start to take on, take on some more. And somebody made a good point. It's like it's like having like an old veteran on your team, but also an old veteran that also can potentially win an MVP award, like it's such a point of like knowing how integral he is to you know, the actual DNA of which is film itself, like he's ingratiated into what being an actor is. And you know, my excitement comes from, you know, comes from two years ago, during when Paul Mescal was nominated for best actor as well too, and he kind of was the one that was just like.
Speaker 1:I know he has no chance because it was in the same year with Will Smith, but I I would have been so happy if he were to win and for him to get somebody like Denzel this he's even in his 30s yet and now he gets somebody like Denzel Washington to act alongside. I think that's an important piece for him in his acting career. But I mean, man, you're talking about 50 years, 40 years, 50 years of just exuding this type of charisma should be illegal, like it should not even be a thought, and I mean in a trailer that has know every indie girlie's favorite paul mescal and pedro pascal. Where denzel's taking the spotlight, it's just.
Speaker 2:It shows that he is one of the most important actors to ever live yeah, and just what he does in this trailer is what, in my opinion, um has come to identify. Peak denzel is his presence, um, he has this gravitas and this aura about him whenever he's on screen.
Speaker 1:That's like a planet he has, no, like all the other planets, or he's like the sun, like everything kind of gravitates around him at this point, and it's it's such a good contention too, because the fact that you know the next piece we can get into is pedro pascal like pedro pascal is essentially doing the same thing and this movie might be able to really fly because of that. You know you want to. I don't really want to talk fear, cause I do think this is a good trailer, but your fear, I guess, is somebody kind of usurping somebody else in something like this. When you have this caliber of actor, like, like I said, paul Mescal is on his way up, like he's so much on his way up. You have Joseph Quinn again playing the Well, I do think that Denzel's going to end up being the actual villain of this movie. But you have all these moving parts and not just these moving parts. You have these absolute forces going up against each other, but you can look at that as a great thing.
Speaker 2:This is what peak acting can look like yeah, I think it's a great when you divvy up the quadrant. I think it's a great, um, like, when you kind of like divvy up the the quadrant. I think it's a great kind of. You have two well, you have one like legendary actor, you have one very established kind of in the at the peak of his power as actor, and pedro pascal. And then you have these two kind of up-and-comers, um paul mascal, who's already kind of like ascended to like that award-winning kind of like. He's kind of like the now. And then you have joseph qu, who's already ascended to that award-winning he's kind of the now. And then you have Joseph Quinn, who's on the ascent. We talked about Joseph Quinn last week when we talked about A Quiet Place. Obviously we talked about him with Stranger Things. The star is ascending rapidly and he's another one. You talk about Florence Pugh's versatility. Look at the stuff Joseph Quinn's been involved in in the last in the last handful of years.
Speaker 1:I can't wait till joseph quinn gets the shut up role. I can't wait till he gets that. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:He gets that role where he's gonna be in some you know it's gonna be some 824 movie and it's gonna be like you guys don't understand that I, I do this like I'm, I'm all about this, like I, I do this and I can just tell from a quiet place. Those trailers as well, too, and like I feel like we've been practitioner from the way that we watch stranger things was like this is the one thing he does and no, no, he was in his 20s doing that, like he's, and he's still in his 20s, like he's got they. It's just I love the fact that him and paul mescal are still in their 20s, going up with, like you know, early 50s pedro pascal and 70s denzel.
Speaker 1:Like that's the cool part that's an incredible point you made. It's like we're seeing these great alec I. I truthfully believe if paul mescal stays on this track, he's going to be an all-time great actor. Pedro pascal is right about there. And then, obviously, you ask anybody denzel's probably in peep, everybody's top five greatest actors to ever live yeah, so you know, coupling that and it's a point I made to somebody, you know, I don't know how I feel about this I'll always say, to the end of the day, if it's the same person making the thing, even if it's, you know, almost 30 years later, okay, good, like that's fine with me.
Speaker 1:Or 25 years later, like that's fine, it's the same person making the same thing, I'm cool if we extend this universe, you know, and in this universe, you know, and look at the, look at the like, look at the personnel you put on, yeah, and it looks, I mean, it technically looks very good, it looks very good. Yep, it looks very grandiose too, which I appreciate. Um, that's gonna be a good, you know, thanksgiving time movie as well too, where it's like, you know, your families are together. I think they picked the time purposely like your families are together already too. So it's just like hey, dad who saw gladiator, son gladiator one, like son who hadn't seen gladiator one but excited for the top gun thing kind of like this is.
Speaker 2:You know the setup like this is is obviously a huge risk when it comes to like legacy sequels, but also can reap a massive reward too. Like you, if it, if it catches the right, you know, if it catches the right tone and you know it, it works out. Like you, you're talking about a movie that could do really really well, it could be really really good. Um, if it catches, like you said, that generational kind of, if it catches that generational cliff of of having like both sides of it and it goes back again to the, to the kind of brilliance of the casting, you know like people are gonna obviously the legacy, people are gonna go see it because it's another gladiator movie. But then, like you're like, oh, denzel Washington's in this. And then you get like you know people in their thirties and forties are like, oh, pedro Pascal is in this. And then you get the people in like their twenties and thirties.
Speaker 1:They're like, oh, paul Mescal and Joseph Quinter and it's like you're kind of, you're kind of graphics, just on the talent alone and then you combine that with, you know, the look and the feel of the movie and it creates this groundswell of you know this could be really something else.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what I'll leave with is, you know, as ever grand and as ever you know of a skeptical or a spectacle, that gladiator one was, there was this subtlety to gladiator one.
Speaker 1:Like there was this like almost sublime nature to kind of like you know you're asking your questions on like of power, obviously, and you know what power will do to be to people. It's one of the most classics and, like you look at, like the landscape of cinema, the one of the most classic revenge stories, like you could probably like look at the revenge story list and like gladiators, like probably in the top three, like it's simplicities that I think makes gladiator one really excel. And then it really expands, you know, through russell crowe, because that's one of the best. You know I'm the main character main character movies there's ever been like I am the I'm the absolute main character in something like this. And now it's a different perspective this time, because now we essentially have, you know, three main characters plus joseph quinn on top of that as well too, and you still have um, you still have connie nielsen too, so you still have this incredible cast. You have some legacy with connie as well in this movie, like, I think this is built to not only make money, but this is built to be a pretty dang good movie yeah, yeah, I totally agree, and I'm you know all the you know, all the things I can, I'm like, I'm excited about it are all actor and character driven to be
Speaker 2:honest, I'm really curious to see how these four characters kind of cross paths and interact with each other and what their dynamics and relationships are going to be, and I'm just looking forward to seeing these four actors kind of share space together. Obviously they're not all going to be together at the same time, but just any combination of those four actors I'm really really excited to see. And the fun part is two of them are going to be acting together again in the Fantastic Four.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's awesome, which is really cool.
Speaker 2:And then so the next trailer we got. We finally got the long-awaited, long-discussed, long you know what-is-this-thing? Trailer for Agatha All Along, as we talked about, is the official name of the of this show coming in september. Um, it's going to be a two episode september premiere and you know the trailer, I think, surprised me, um, and how much I was thrilled that they are not doing what I thought, at least based on the trailer. They're not doing what I thought they were going to do, where this is going to be like the katherine ham, like she's like the katherine ham, like jokey hour of, like television, where she's just gonna kind of swagger her way through 45 to 50 minutes of tv.
Speaker 1:There looks to be like an actual thing going on here do you know why I feel like this trailer worked for me?
Speaker 1:there's a definitiveness to this trailer, like there's something that tells me that they know exactly what they just made, which a lot of this character is like it feels like this character is going on a journey, exactly, yep, and it's something that's kind of you know, not too convoluted either, like it's as simple as like she lost her power, she wants her power back and I guess the journey that we're gonna learn is like you know, who is she without the power and why does she want it back so bad?
Speaker 2:like it's just simple questions being asked you're nothing without the hat and the broomstick, then you shouldn't have it. Um, but no, I was really it. I hope that the trailer belies what the actual tone of the show is gonna be where it's gonna be like, because it's coming out in September. It's probably going to wrap up around.
Speaker 1:Halloween. Well, they said this is like a you know, a Halloween season event. I would be cool with that. I would be cool if it's like spooky season.
Speaker 2:Like we both really enjoyed werewolf by night, which was like a spooky season Marvel thing that I was like, yeah, this is cool. Like they, I, doctor Strange and Multiverse of Madness had these horror elements to it. That like I don't know what it is about Marvel mixing in the horror elements, but it feels like they're most consistently good kind of genre to hit. Anytime they've hit a horror or horror-adjacent thing. It feels like it's always worked for whatever reason, and this feels like it's doing that, Like it feels, you know it feels a little bit darker than, say, a Hocus Pocus, but it could also have that same type of appeal.
Speaker 1:I guarantee you that was probably one of the conversations in pitch meetings.
Speaker 2:Because of the cast that you have involved. Like Aubrey Plaza, Catherine Hahn can both kind of swagger their way through a spooky thing, and if that's what you're going for, I think this could actually work.
Speaker 1:Yep yeah, I'm just again. The big thing that I hit me with was just like this feels consistent, like this feels like there's actual consistency to this. This feels like a realized thing. And you know the it's and I I love, you know, sunning myself when we do this and like telling myself that I was wrong. Like I was wrong, like I was not even thinking about looking forward to this show. And now I'm actually, like you know, I'm leo and jango, like you know I, you had my curiosity, but now you have my attention, like I'm, I'm actually I'm listening. Now, like, and this, you know what this show can also do.
Speaker 1:This show can maybe prove that. Like, even these, like little pieces that might not seem like they mean anything and maybe they don't to the large scale, like this is just a good show. Like maybe they can try to do that. Like hopefully, like obviously you're not going to get loki each time, where not only is it a great show, it also means a lot to the grand scheme of things. Like you don't need that. Essentially, like you know, whatever echo was lacking, or you know something like I don't know, um, what's another marvel show that wasn't too hot.
Speaker 2:I mean, you could probably, honestly, you could probably throw Moon Knight in there, right?
Speaker 1:And Moon Knight has its issues in its structure, like a lot, and it kept once yeah, it was when Moon Knight came out. We kind of looked at the structure of all the Disney Plus shows and one of the best Disney Plus shows was WandaVision and WandaVision's structure helped it. It was the nine episode structure. You know, get this, you know stretched out, that's what TV is a little bit Um, that six episode structure is hurting. Loki just was so dialed in its writing that it did and, like you know, when you get cracks in your writing, that's where you know structure can start to bleed, like everything starts to bleed. So yeah, I'm I'm pleasantly surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if Catherine Han puts up just an incredible on-back performance. She's going to do another musical number, of course, yes.
Speaker 2:Absolutely A hundred percent. I would expect that the less. But I think, based on when they announced it, what she was doing at the time when they announced it, I think I did get kind of clouded by the fact that is this just going to be like a goofy, like Catherine Han, like one woman show type thing? I think that's. I think my like perspective got a little skewed and, and you know, to be fair to my defense, like Marvel didn't do anything that countered that point, like they were just like they're putting Aubrey Plaza in this and they're doing this, and they're doing this, the title keeps changing. You're just like what is this like, what is happening? Like, and then they again, I don't, we'll never know.
Speaker 2:The true story is, if, if this was indeed the plan, the entire time was to name the show agatha all along and everything else that got leaked and reported was actually part of the plan. Um, but it was, if, so it's pretty brilliant. And then you know they kind of show off this first trailer. That feels very like true detective, supernatural, like kind of.
Speaker 1:You know, you don't think that supernatural comparison is good you don't really know what's going on like the show can operate very, very close to the chest and I think it needs to be, and if it's going to be, you know, I don't know how much of, I don't know how much of the show can operate very, very close to the chest and I think it needs to be, and if it's, gonna be.
Speaker 2:You know, I don't know how much of, I don't know how much of the show is gonna spend in this um agatha being trapped in her own head, but I think it could be very I think to your point about wandavision like it could kind of structure itself like wandavision where, like maybe your first two or three episodes, like is agatha in in this, like she's in the like the true detective, like she thinks she's living this life and then some inciting incident happens in like the third episode, maybe it's the Aubrey Plaza thing where she's in the trailer. She's like you got to remember who you are, simba.
Speaker 1:You know, snap yourself out of it, like I. Just you know, obviously my questions are narrative, but that's good, that's good. Like you know, obviously my questions are narrative, but that's good, that's good, like you know. So I'm, I'm looking forward to it. Um, I'm definitely gonna give it a watch, give it a fair chance, as I do everything, everything. We give a fair chance, even the acolyte man. We'll get there in two weeks, because that's what we're gonna talk about in in two weeks or three weeks yeah, yeah, because the boys is gonna finish first, right?
Speaker 1:yeah, everything's finishing at the same time because the boys, the acolyte and we're getting Deadpool and Wolverine in the same like two week period, so yeah.
Speaker 2:Um, and then the last trailer we got um, we got a trailer for Watchmen Watchmen animated trailer. Um Watchmen, chapter one. So this is pretty much just a straight adaptation of the graphic novel, like it was really, um, you know. No, no bells and whistles behind it. No, really, it's really just the graphic novel brought to life. Um, I love the animation style that we got in this trailer. I love the, the voice acting. It seems to be, you know, much like the watchman graphic novel. It's very rorschach focused. Um also feels, seems like it's going to be very, not very comedian focused, but, um, there's an element of, like the comedian's backstory that seems like we're going to get in this.
Speaker 1:It's almost like how they took the approach with Ozymandias in the show with Regina King. It's kind of how I think that the comedian is going to take a lot of precedence in this. And you know, I feel like we live in a future where, like the villain being, you know, having a voice and not just being a cackling person, is important and to its point, it should be important. You want to flesh out everybody. So I like the approach of the comedian, especially in that world, because it's almost just like again, it's like a. It's like the Punisher and the Joker had a kid. It's like you know, all the, all the insanities and all the you know insane pieces of the world you know are just kind of, this is how we exist.
Speaker 1:It's the contention. That's the best piece about Watchmen is the contention with everything. It's like we joke about the boys being the most realistic version of superhero. It probably would go a lot more like the Watchmen if that were to be. If people decided to take on vigilantism, it would look like the Watchmen, these people that think they can do extraordinary things, falling on their butt every time they try to do it. But some people succeed in this, but it's all you know, they even say the line in the trailer like was this a political killing? Like this is what it would divulge into. So you know it looked good. I like the new animation style. I feel like that's going to be a new, like television, animation style is in television and like some movies are going to use that kind of what if style. Um, it's cool.
Speaker 2:It's definitive. I think it works for this universe. Yeah, yeah, um, cause I think both of us can can agree that one of the best looking episodes of what if was that that nebula blade runner episode which expecting that which had um has a lot of visual similarities to this watchman trailer, where it's very dark and rainy and a lot of neon lights, and I don't know what it is about that animation style, but that aesthetic seems to fit the animation the best.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um. So yeah, I think I think it looks really good. I'm really keen on checking it out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um and then watch the watchman trail or watchman tv show too. Oh yeah, there's a week we're gonna talk about that tv show.
Speaker 2:It's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. Um, and then the last bit of news we got, because I just felt like we had to talk about it was um, because you know, people are always like cinemas, movies are dying. Um, and then inside out 2 came out and was just like no yeah, what if we printed money for a living?
Speaker 2:um, it is officially pixar's highest grossing film of all time. Um, it passed the incredibles. It is number four all time in the top grossing animated film. So it is currently behind frozen, uh, the mario movie and frozen 2 are the only three ahead of it and all projections are that it's going to pass all three of those it's insane become the highest grossing animated film of all time yep, what did I joke to you and say?
Speaker 1:I said this is the most pixar universe that they have, is it's?
Speaker 2:yeah, it's the thing that they, you know this is when they're at their best what?
Speaker 1:there's the point I was looking for. You know what this? You know why this works? Because this is the new age of pixar. For you know, when we were kids and we were watching pixar, like this is the new age of it, like this is for the kids now. That's why I think this works so well. It's not just for even the kids now, it's also for the tweens. Now. I feel like this is a very important movie too, of what the trailers look like as well, all those things. This is an important movie and this is probably going to hit home for a lot of people, a lot of adults too, who went through that, because we all went through that Just based off the trailers. We all went through what Riley went through. So I'm very much looking forward to that. We haven't seen it yet. Maybe we'll check it out and if it's okay or pretty good which a lot of people are saying maybe we'll talk about it one day. Who knows, maybe we'll do a Pixar-related episode one day.
Speaker 2:Favorite Pixar movie Toy Story, toy Story 3 specifically.
Speaker 1:The Incredibles. I think it is perfect.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah yeah. The Incredibles is also really really good, obviously. Most underrated Pixar movie, I would say I think.
Speaker 1:Soul, don't take mine. Yeah, because I think Soul also is the most underrated one, just because of the time that it came out in. I think Soul. Don't take mine. Yeah, because I think Soul also is the most.
Speaker 2:Just because of the time that it came out in, I think it just didn't get as much recognition and as much kind of gravitas as it should have.
Speaker 1:You know, when you go on the internet and you're just like cinema is beautiful, soul belongs in that, that's like a ferociously beautiful movie, yeah, and heartfelt movie, and so just god dang real.
Speaker 2:Yeah, beautiful movie, yeah, and heartfelt movie, and so just god dang real. Yeah, yeah, and that's the best of what. When pixar is at its best, um, that's, that's the type of stuff that it's able to do, um, and I think the first inside out movie did it really well, and, and by all all counts, the second one is doing the same thing. Um, with that being said, though, let's talk about a little movie called deadpool hey, yeah, I wanna shoot baby um, this is.
Speaker 2:You know, we talked, we've talked, we talked about. You know, these, these fascinating? Usually, when we do these retrospectives, there's usually some type of fascinating backstory that comes associated um with the movie. Like we talked about this with Iron man, we talked about Black Panther, avatar. These movies that we've done these retrospectives on always come with these stories of like. Well, how did this happen?
Speaker 1:Yeah, one of my favorite things about movies themselves and cinema itself is that there's the story of the movie and then there's the story about the story of the movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and this one again has such an interesting story behind it Because the Deadpool movie goes back as far as the year 2000. It was a little deal between Artisan Entertainment and Marvel Entertainment in 2002 to distribute a bunch of movies. Again, we talked about this when we talked about Iron man. Marvel was at a period where they could not turn the lights on, so they needed. You know, they sold off all these characters and all these rights to these characters to all these different entertainment companies to make movies. So it was going to be that Deadpool was in the ring with this. And in 2004, david S Gore and Ryan Reynolds were working on a Deadpool movie for New Line Cinema, so this was going to be a New Line Cinema joint.
Speaker 1:Oh, it was going to be a rom-com. Is this movie a rom-com?
Speaker 2:Hold that point. Obviously, david S Goyer and Ryan Reynolds worked together on Blade III and they were going to do and Ryan Reynolds was always attached to this character. Ryan Reynolds was always attached to this character Because in the Deadpool comics there's an offhanded comment about Wade Wilson being crossed between Sharpay and Ryan Reynolds. So for that reason Ryan Reynolds always kind of had this affinity for this character. People were always, when you talk about actors being suited for a particular role, ryan Reynolds was always suited for this role and people agreed with that. But thanks to the rights issues between 20th Century Fox and the X-Men, the Deadpool project could not move forward at New Line Cinema because Deadpool obviously is in the X-Men bucket. So Fox had control of Deadpool. I don't know how they didn't know that. You'd think someone would have known that. And then in March 2005, fox became interested in putting Deadpool in something related to the X-Men universe. This of course became X-Men Origins, wolverine what?
Speaker 2:an incredible picture. Originally, the Deadpool character was slated for a cameo appearance and then, um, you know, you know what fox be doing fox was like. Let's just get him, uh, get him a bigger, a bigger role so that, um, we can explore deadpool's potential future. And then x-men origins happened and it bastardized the character of deadpool beyond all recognition. Um and man that. That set the character um and ryan reynolds pursuit of this character back wait did he do green lantern before or after origins?
Speaker 1:wolverine after jesus? Yes, wow, imagine being ryan reynolds. He fails. He fails X-Men Origins. What's funny about X-Men Origins, wolverine is his. Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool, like Wade Wilson, is one of the best parts of that movie.
Speaker 2:And they use him for like two minutes and then he's gone. You know, it's just not going well. So we're up to what did I say? This started in 2000? 2000,? Yeah, so 2010 now, and Ryan Reynolds is working with a couple people to write a deadpool movie still, um, and then that is when tim miller enters the fold. So tim miller, who directed this deadpool movie, um, worked on the visual effects for some of the x-men movies. Um, he, you know, had done some really small things with animation and worked, what with Ryan Reynolds, to start concocting the Deadpool thing. Then Green Lantern happens, yes, and it kills essentially the Deadpool project. Yep, because Fox looked at Ryan Reynolds and were like he's not him, he's not the guy. They already were lenient or hesitant about doing an R-rated movie, right, yep, an r-rated superhero movie.
Speaker 1:So and look at the landscape of superhero movies at the time as well too, because this is when the mcu is really starting to ramp up, and not only the mcu. When x-men, or when x-men origins or x-men first class comes out, then you're like okay, well, maybe we can take these x-men movies seriously as well too, too. Like maybe these movies do have credibility. And then the Avengers comes out, so they're like Deadpool, and this time R-rated. Like our PG-13 movies are working, like people are watching them. Like maybe not the best idea.
Speaker 2:So Fox basically comes to terms, comes to an agreement with Tim Miller. They give him a very, very tiny amount of money relatively a couple hundred thousand dollars to produce some test footage, um, for deadpool. And they, he, reynolds, ryan reynolds is not there. He voices it, um, but it's not actually there. And you know, fox, this is before we saw it. Um, fox apparently saw it and was not convinced. Um, so deadpool was shot, essentially, um, then the avengers comes out to your point and fox was like you know, maybe maybe we can do it. Um, so fox was like hey, maybe we don't do deadpool by himself, but maybe we get deadpool and like a, an avengers, like fun team up thing, and they're like how, how can we, how, how are you going to do that? So, again, this thing just doesn't happen. And then the Day of Infamy happens, in July of 2014,. The test footage that Tim Miller shot gets leaked online by somebody that may or may not be Ryan Reynolds. The internet explodes.
Speaker 1:They, they're like this is incredible, this is like and we hadn't seen anything out of the superhero genre like that. And how many years? I mean since the blade days, like blade one specifically, we hadn't seen anything like that yeah, um.
Speaker 2:and this reception ultimately culminates in Fox fully greenlighting Deadpool for release date of February 2016. Ryan Reynolds specifically cites the leak as the reason why the movie got made. To this day, nobody knows who leaked the footage. Ryan Reynolds maybe believes Ryan Reynolds points the finger at Tim Miller. Tim Miller points the finger at somebody at Fox. Um, we point the finger at Ryan Reynolds. Um and then this movie becomes the biggest R rated movie of all time. Yes, yep, we beat out.
Speaker 1:Passion of the Christ.
Speaker 2:Is ultimately what happens. Um and it's. You know it's relative. This movie is relatively low. Happens. Um, and it's, you know it's relative. This movie is relatively low budget. Um, a $58 million budget for a box office return of $782.8 million. Um, if you're counting at home, that is roughly a $730 million profit. Um, and yeah, we can just talk about this movie now. It's fantastic, yeah's. I mean it's awesome.
Speaker 1:It's just, it's it's dumb, it's it's fun.
Speaker 2:It's somehow heartfelt as well, which I think is such an important piece which I think we can talk about when we talk about, you know how this movie sets up the subsequent two right, um, it's just, it's so smart as well, without being overly complicated too, and you know, that's one of court's big points.
Speaker 1:That's one of court's big cinema points that I always like that sometimes cinema isn't complicated, um, and you know, it doesn't matter what genre you're in what you're doing, like sometimes it can be simple, like I remember. So this movie came out in 2016, obviously, so I'm a senior in high school when this movie comes out. This is the perfect high school kid, college kid movie. It's super bad for nerds, exactly.
Speaker 2:It's super bad for comic book nerds. Is what this?
Speaker 1:movie is. And to the MCU's help, let's even get away from the MCU. This is when the Fox X-Men movies were actually the MCU, this is when the Fox X-Men movies were actually good. Like this is when the Fox X-Men movies are like oh wait, these movies are actually. And then the apocalypse comes out. But after first class, wolverine and Days of Future Past, you're like, oh, like this is oh, we're so back, we are back. Like the X-Men are back. So you know, this movie is so simple, it's not overly complicated, it's totally non-linear really, which was fun.
Speaker 2:I love that. I love that it's only like a hundred and something minutes. It's like over an hour and a half.
Speaker 1:It's a short shot and you know what this movie might lack.
Speaker 2:This movie has a villain problem, unfortunately, but everything has a villain problem, so it has a villain problem, but the movie is so good and Ryan Reynolds is so good that it doesn't even matter it almost it, almost it almost helps it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know, I wish they would have you know, referentially, played into it a little bit more of like the idea. But I don't think that superhero movies knew they had a villain problem at that point, though I didn't. I don't think they knew that the villains were the issues in the movies.
Speaker 2:Oh, I think this movie absolutely knows that, francis. I think this movie absolutely uses Ajax as a vehicle of like villain. These villains in these movies are dumb. Yeah, I don't think anything. Yeah, maybe I mean, maybe I'm giving them too much credit retroactively, but I, you don't put, you don't put ajax in a movie without realizing, like, this is a nothing character, that means nothing. You know what I mean. Um, and you know, I, I don't think this. This movie was never going to be about the villain, right? Ultimately, this movie is going to be about deadpool, right?
Speaker 1:you know my favorite thing? One Right. Ultimately, this movie is going to be about Deadpool, Right? You know what? My favorite thing, one of my favorite things about this movie is what Fox, what comic dartboard did they have where they closed their eyes and they looked and they said Colossus, Negasonic, Teenage Warhead. Those are your two. I love it. I love it so much it's almost yeah, and it's, it's the best Colossus. Oh, he's phenomenal, he's amazing. I hope the MCU gets close to what that Colossus is.
Speaker 2:Because Colossus in the X-Men movies is nothing.
Speaker 1:He's nothing in 2 and 3, especially in 3. They don't even test to do the relationship with him and Kitty, which I think that was the best piece you could have added to that movie. He's also in nothing in Days of Future Past also.
Speaker 2:I forgot he was in days of future past, in the in the future. I forgot about that. Yeah. So, like this, it was kind of cool that they kind of gave colossus all characters like and I feel like that's a that. You know, that's a ryan reynolds decision where, like I could, we could, I mean maybe they couldn't I mean that's a joke in one of the in the movies.
Speaker 2:when he goes to the X-Mansion and he's like I only ever see the two of you here, it's almost like the studio couldn't afford another X-Men. That's probably true. Fox was probably like, hey, we'll let you kind of do things, but you can't use Wolverine Cyclops, professor X, any of those people. So Ryan Reynolds was probably like, okay, let me, I'll take Colossus. And then he probably looked at like a list of. He went to the X-Men Wikipedia and was like what's the funniest name?
Speaker 1:I can find in here. What's the dumbest X-Men I can find.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then he ends up with Negasonic Teenage Warhead, who it's a great performance Balls was busy. It's a. It's a great performance for Negasonic, like she. It's a um, it's a great performance um for negasonic.
Speaker 1:Like she does a really really great job um this movie. Like I said, it's so referential. Like I love her character and like the understanding and universe, like you know, outside, looking in what her, her character is. The edgy team like it's it is the edgy team trope times a million. Cool, it's your name.
Speaker 2:It's cool it's your name, um, and you know, and what this movie had to do or I'll say what it worked is be genuinely funny because it's relentless. The humor and the jokes and the quips are relentless and if you know it needs what would you say probably, like it probably needs like a 75 to 80% hit rate on the jokes for it to not feel grating. And it soars past that.
Speaker 1:And it's the R rating that helps, because if this is a PG-13 trying to get some of those things off, you're simply not doing it. You can't.
Speaker 2:And it's visual gags, it's audio gags. I mean, one of my favorite makes-me-laugh-out-loud moments is when he's confronting Colossus on the highway after he pins Ajax and Colossus is distracting him and Ajax gets away and it's just like 10 seconds of Deadpool going and he looks back and forth and the sound effect of his costume when he's like, he's like that's it, and then obviously he ends up breaking all his bones right against trying to fight colossus. Um, it's just little moments like that that. I'm just like this movie is incredible, like it's so funny what's this movie about?
Speaker 1:it's a love story it is a love story well, the second movie is a love story.
Speaker 2:This one is is a like story. It's an origin story. It is um, as deadpool is quick to point out. This is his origin story as it's told to us from deadpool um don, non-linearly um. So we you know. The film starts with the, with the test footage, the highway, the highway sequence, obviously they rendered it a little bit.
Speaker 1:They probably reshot it. They fixed it. They fixed it.
Speaker 2:It looks great, it's fun we have more than a couple hundred thousand dollars now. Um, and yeah, it's deadpool telling us his origin story about how he came to be him and he's uh, you know, he's just a man in love man, yeah, he's just a hit man, just, uh, just he's, he's, he's part of the scum and villainy from upsize.
Speaker 1:Basically that's him, but he's got a heart of gold. He does a point where multiple people in the beginning of the movie tell him he's got a heart of gold, but I'm a bad person until he meets who?
Speaker 2:vanessa, why did you say that name?
Speaker 1:you embarrass me in front of vanessa um.
Speaker 2:So yeah, we get, uh, marina bacharan as vanessa. Um, gotham's own, gotham's own, yep, um, she's in this, um, and she's also really good in this she's really good.
Speaker 1:I think she's. She's a great foil for him. Yeah, she's like a very much back to earth version, but also still lets him be him, which that's why the love story works so well too, um kiss me like you miss me red right, you know, and I love how they. One of the funniest bits is them talking about their horrible upbringings. They're just like you had a dishwasher oh my god yeah, I loved, yeah, the con like the one-upsmanship he said he used to, he used to put me in a dish.
Speaker 1:He said I I lived in a box for a dishwasher. Wow, you had a dishwasher um, yeah, I love I.
Speaker 2:They're really great together. Um, you know, she bounces off him really really well, um, because you know, I think not one of ryan reynolds's problems, but you know it's really hard to combat that frenetic ryan reynoldsness that he brings to so many movies and I think she does a really great job of that. I think the actor who plays colossus does a really great job, um, with that. The actor who does, who plays negasonic obviously does that. Like the movie is not the movie, but their relationship is built upon the fact that she's unaffected by his madness.
Speaker 1:Um, and then wade gets cancer because nothing, nothing there's, there's, no. What's the line that? You know what most of my favorite lines are? The ones where it's just like in comedy stuff, but it makes you think for a second. You're like, oh, maybe I should be sad today. What's the line that he gives where he says, like you know, life is like this horrible thing and only the good parts are like commercial brief, commercial breaks, like that's basically what he says and just like here's your cancer. I know you found the love of your life, but you're gonna die soon, unfortunately so. And then this is a comic book movie.
Speaker 2:So guy in a suit comes up and says I have a chance to give you another life so he ends up in the uh, the weapon x facility no, not the weapon x facility, it's not called the weapon x facility because we're not allowed to come, we're not allowed to get people excited, we're not allowed to fold it into the x-men movies, because this is a weird Deadpool movie. So no, but it is the Weapon X facility. This is where he is taken in by Ajax and Angel Dust again two just insane characters.
Speaker 1:Angel Dust.
Speaker 2:These two, I mean Gina Carano's performance.
Speaker 1:Played by notoriously horrible person, gina Carano. Jesus, sorry, I couldn't help myself.
Speaker 2:But she's a nothing in this.
Speaker 1:She's just the muscle good good, she should be nothing in this because she sucks um, but I do remember that movie that she made that no one cared about. Yeah, it's because you suck gina carano. Jesus, um, also, when everybody forgot about you in the mandalorian when you weren't in it.
Speaker 2:That's because you suck gina carano also notable horrible person, tj miller is also in this movie.
Speaker 1:I love how tj miller went on that run where he's just you know. I wish they would have killed him off in this universe too, because unfortunately michael bay got it that tj miller is a horrible person. Yeah, but then he took care of it in age of Extinction. But yeah.
Speaker 2:So I do like what they did in this, Like the gender flip of the skinny kind of conniving guy is the main villain and then the woman is the muscle. I do kind of I mean.
Speaker 1:Ajax, let's just talk about the characters, because Gina Carano sucks, so let's just talk about the characters. This might be one of my best running bits.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is pretty good um, but uh, I mean, she's, she's important to to the superhero landing scene. Superhero landing, super, she's gonna do a superhero landing, yay, superhero landing. Oh, that's a great bit, um. But I mean, you know, I think ed screen does a fine job as ajax. Obviously he's not given a ton to work with, but that's.
Speaker 1:I think I'm actually leaning towards you a little bit more. You've kind of convinced me. That is the point that he is supposed to be the actual run-of-the-mill villain. That means nothing to anything and his power set also backs that point up of he doesn't feel anything Like. He's like the worst of what villains could be and that's people that just don't care about anybody. And his name is Francis. His name is Francis. Swipe the tag off of your laundry.
Speaker 2:I'm coming for you, Francis. I'm coming for you Francis?
Speaker 1:Where's Francis? I want to get into that sequence. Where you get it's such a. How do I explain this?
Speaker 2:It's such a great way of the way they does the thing scene, it's like a fully r-rated version of that, which I like. Yeah, so they, you know, they put wade through or ajax puts wade through these horrifying, like horrible experience, basically trying to, you know, unlock his latent mutant power and it works. It works. Congratulations, wade. We cured your cancer, but unfortunately you're discussing a horrible human being now.
Speaker 1:I don't want to talk lore, but how does this work, how does this whole thing work for him? Like, how does he have a latent mutant gene? Is that a thing? That's probably a thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's just like Comics are stupid. Yeah, they're just pulling it out of you by putting you under incredible duress and incredible duress, um, and it triggers his healing factor, which heals his horrible, horrible cancer forever, which means he can't die. But he also is basically a human tumor, right? So you know bit of column, a bit of column b, you know um, but it gives, you know, gives away these incredible self-regenerative powers which you, which comic fans and movie fans, now know is Deadpool's healing factor is unmatched compared to any other character, is it? Probably he can't?
Speaker 1:die. Wolverine got remade from a drop of blood before.
Speaker 2:Deadpool's probably done that.
Speaker 1:Deadpool's probably came back from just consciousness alone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was. If Deadpool got snapped out of existence in a snap, he would still come back, Right?
Speaker 1:yeah, one of those particles would be like not on my watch mister, and yeah, then Again, like you said, this movie's very simple.
Speaker 2:So he gets his powers. The Weapon X ability's destroyed, ajax escapes and Deadpool Wade swears revenge on Ajax for forever.
Speaker 1:Yep, and he took his girl to try to find him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, don't touch my girl man, so he gets his team together, his team.
Speaker 1:Putting together a team. So who's on this team? Colossus is a Negasonic teenager. Negasonic teenager.
Speaker 2:What, what a name. So here's a funny story behind this character, the Negasonic character. They needed permission from Marvel to do this.
Speaker 1:I actually I don't know why that's hilarious.
Speaker 2:They needed permission from Marvel to put this character in Deadpool. So a deal was reached allowing the change, you know to. You know the power because of her power set they wanted to use. They literally just wanted to use her name and change her powers, because in the comics her powers are she's. She's a telepath and she has precognitive abilities. So they were like no, we're actually going to just make her an exploding person. So so they were like no, we're actually going to just make her an exploding person. So they needed permission from Marvel to change her power set, and Tim Miller did this by striking a deal with Kevin Feige. So a deal was reached allowing the change in exchange for 20th Century Fox giving Marvel Studios the film rights to Ego the Living Planet for use in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2.
Speaker 1:That's like for all my basketball fans out there. That's a trey young for luca donchik, straight up trade. That's like one of the best equal trades that you could have asked for.
Speaker 2:That's phenomenal yeah, fox gets to change negasonic's power set in exchange for giving marvel the rights to ego which obviously they end up using in guardians 2 within a year of itself too.
Speaker 1:That's phenomenal, that's amazing yeah, that's it's what I guarantee you. Mar was like what do we give them? And james gunwalt and he's like hmm let me stop you.
Speaker 2:Let me stop you right there. It's like that meme of the guy like trade offer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he said you receive negasonic Teenage Warhead. I get Kurt Russell to play Eagle to the Living Planet.
Speaker 2:Deal, both sides win in the end. But that just goes to show you how ridiculous these Marvel's rights things were.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, when you're like, you have to split Eagle to the Living Planet and Negasonic. If I walked on the street and said Negasonic, teenage Warhead, they would have thought I was a crackhead. They would have tried to put me in a asylum.
Speaker 2:Also, what a move by Kevin Feige. You're right, it probably was James Gunn.
Speaker 1:That was just like Kevin Feige was like he probably asked all the people that had movies coming out and they were like, well, you can't use Namor yet. And Ryan Kuga said, uh-huh, who's got a movie coming out? James Gunn was like eating a sandwich. Walking by he's like did somebody say Ego the Living Planet, my favorite obscure character from the 60s and 70s I'm in. I have always wanted to put Ego the Living Planet in one of my movies and so Deadpool is responsible for Marvel getting Ego, the Living Planet, back.
Speaker 2:That's amazing. Yep, who else is on this teamus? I said that already. Tj miller's on this team, yeah, get him out yuck, he's funny in this, but get him out. Horrible person, horrible person. Um, I do like this delusional world that tj miller lives in now, where he's like man. I didn't want to really be in deadpool 3.
Speaker 1:They didn't ask you yeah, what a psychopath like, what a narcissist. It's insane. Yeah, he's just like. Ryan Reynolds is the worst.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's like oh, it's like diminishing returns. Like it's not as good as the second one or the first one, like didn't want you back yeah yeah funny, you suck.
Speaker 1:You did horrible things to people. Leslie Huggins is in this as Blind Al yeah, yep, let's get into it, because she's one of my favorites, the Fallout legend. Leslie Huggins is in this Plays the same character. No, she doesn't. So basically her comic book character. She was Black Widow at one point too, which I think is a nice little Easter egg as well, too. She is phenomenal in this movie.
Speaker 2:She's so funny and their exchanges are so funny. Love is blind Wade.
Speaker 1:So are you Al? No, Al, You're blind.
Speaker 2:It's really really good. And then Dopinder.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dopinder Go Spider-Man India from across the Spider-Verse as well too.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, incredible. Yeah, so that's his crew. Again, there's not much to talk about in this movie, plot-wise. He gets his crew together, he finds Ajax, they fight for a bit and he kills him. That's essentially what happens. We can't talk about the action in this, which I think is really really good, about the action in this, which I think is really really good. Um, I think this movie did a lot at the time where, you know, uh, everyone was getting not sick of it because we're kind of like in the throes of it, but like action wise people were like you know, what can they, what can they really do? That's gonna surprise me. But this you know kind of to your point last week about like action movies, like this is kind of an action movie, it is yep, it's like such a 90s action movie too.
Speaker 1:It doesn't shy away from that either, because a lot of 90s action movies did have that little beat of romance in there too, which this movie does. So it's just a good time, man. Like you said, you made a great. This is super bad for nerds like. This is just like a super you know hilarious dark comedy that just so happens to have deadpool in it so and it just it, just it kind of just swept up.
Speaker 2:Um, everybody in terms of like, even like movie critics, were like this movie's kind of funny, like like we kind of we kind of messed with this movie a little bit, like it was kind of like equal parts. Like the nerds obviously really liked it, um, comedy fans really really like it. And then the movie critics, I think, um, comedy fans really really like it. And then the movie critics I think we're just kind of impressed by how bold it was and how brash it was and how kind of like it just knew. This is one of those movies that, like this is my favorite kind of movie, like the movie that just unabashedly knows what it is. Um, obviously this movie knows what it is because Deadpool tells us what kind of movie it is Right, and that's the other thing is like all of Deadpool's shtick. If it was worse again it goes back to the comedy bit Like the Deadpool shtick could get very grating if this movie doesn't work.
Speaker 1:And if it's not Ryan Reynolds, I don't think this works either.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because you know, like the fourth wall breaking thing is, that's a tough trick. That's a tough trick to pull off. Um tough trick to pull off in a comic book. I would argue an even tougher trick to pull off in a movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah because movies you have the consciousness of you know that's the, that's one of the burdens of you know, having movies like this is your consciousness level. Seeing people that look like you automatically make you think real, like I need something real out of this and you know I, even we keep talking about it. But the, the love story in this movie works like and it helps and it's just cause like Deadpool's. Like Deadpool's, like your stupid funny college friend that just has no filter on them, that just says whatever they want whenever they want. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It also is not the worst person in the world, but they don't know it. Yeah, until they know it. And it just again to your point about ryan reynolds like if it's not him, it probably doesn't work. Like the laughs probably aren't as good like he. Really he has a knack for comedy, like he just he just does right, um, you know, I think that's why he was really miscast in Green Lantern. He's not a leading man in the sense that he's not a hero, he's just a goof and that's fine, which is why this works so well, because he's funny, but he's also very earnest and very charming, and I think that's why this ultimately works as a movie. Um, because I mean, it's just, it's again. Every, every line is just something is happening, right, um, a fourth wall break inside a fourth wall break.
Speaker 1:That's like 16 walls.
Speaker 2:Um, and it just it's a movie that just came out, I think at the absolute perfect time. Um out, I think at the absolute perfect time. Um, what it spawned, um, we don't know. We don't really know what it spawned. Um, it did spawn a bunch of these other characters or these other, you know, companies being like we should do an r-rated thing, um, this obviously opens the door for joker. Um, obviously two totally different films, but it does allow dc to be like we could do something a little edgier and then that movie made a billion dollars.
Speaker 2:Yeah um marvel wanted or sony sony marvel wanted to do venom as an r-rated movie and then pulled back at the last second.
Speaker 1:Um, I don't know but I'd like to see the r-rated venom kind of yeah with Tom Hardy, is he?
Speaker 2:doing a voice. He's always doing a voice, man. And then you know this. Obviously this discussion culminates in like but what happens with Deadpool? Right, marvel's surely not going to touch an R-rated mature character.
Speaker 1:And there's no way they ever get the rights back to all the Fox characters Right. That would never happen.
Speaker 2:I mean, we'll talk about Deadpool 2 next week, because we do end up getting Deadpool 2, and guess what? Fox gets their Deadpool team-up movie that they wanted.
Speaker 1:Who's it with? Not who you think it is.
Speaker 2:X-Force, just again. We'll talk about it more next week, but just them pulling just insane characters. Shatter Star is in this one, in the second one, yep, um, and then.
Speaker 1:Zeitgeist is in this. It's not just that it's the actors that they're getting to play. These people are also like who they are, so it makes it even funnier.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, and then obviously, you get Brolin as cable and the rest, the rest is history. Um, fire fist, fire fist. Um, yeah, and then, and then the impossible, the impossible happens. I want you to believe in the impossible. Um, marvel gets the rights back to the X-Men characters. What?
Speaker 1:Marvel gets the rights back. I love when we play the. This person's been in a coma since this date. Characters Just found it out what they what.
Speaker 2:Yep, and this includes Deadpool.
Speaker 1:What do you mean? That Andrew Garfield and Andrew what? They're in no way home, they're making an Iron man movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so Marvel gets. What do you mean? Robert Pattinson's?
Speaker 1:Batman Wesley Snipes could never play Blade.
Speaker 2:Hold that thought. Yeah, so Marvel gets the X-men back um. With that comes deadpool and that makes everyone go huh, what does that mean?
Speaker 1:yeah, like what exactly does that mean? Right? And I think at first they thought it meant one thing. And then I guarantee you this out what, what happened? This is my favorite pitch meeting thing that happens we couldn't do this right.
Speaker 2:And then everybody starts laughing, and then the laughing gets maniacal and then the thing gets made yeah, because I think everyone was concerned that if marvel made a deadpool movie it would be pg-13, it would be toned down, it would be, you know, kind of uh, sanitized and I think that was the original plan.
Speaker 1:I think they had a. I think they had a. I think they were gonna try it.
Speaker 2:I think they were also gonna try it um, but I think I really think ryan reynolds was like no, yep, like I won't, I won't do it exactly.
Speaker 1:Try finding another person to get this billion dollar franchise to to get off the ground yeah, because walter scobo's not old enough yet. Right, right he's. He's in this movie, right, he's in Deadpool three. Right as kid pool. I don't see any other any other way.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that'd be, that'd be hilarious, actually. Um yeah, I, I honestly think that's what happened. Like no, I, I built this, I made this, I made I built this brick by brick.
Speaker 2:Um, I took this, you know, I took this role and this character from the grave of x-men origins wolverine, like the character, the character and me, ryan reynolds, the actor, were damaged beyond reproach after 2011, like between x-men origins and green lantern. Like I was, I was done so like I'm not letting this character go without me being directly attached to everything that happens. And marvel went all right, fine, they said he. He just brought in the the chart of how much money deadpool one and two made and was like huh. And it was like huh. And Marvel was like yeah he got us.
Speaker 1:I guess what we need right now a little money. Yeah, Definitely need a little money.
Speaker 2:Lo and behold everything that happens afterwards. We get Hugh Jackman's back now, which is again, I think is a Ryan Reynolds-driven thing.
Speaker 1:I don't even think they were thinking about it, and then again I't think hugh jackman was thinking about it. Like I said, I think what happened was like we could we surely couldn't add wolverine and ryan reynolds like, but why not? That's my guy, that's my guy, and then I think hugh jackman also, was just like get do, can I play a prime version of wolverine like I can I do? The one thing I never did in my 20 plus years of playing wolverine and that's play like a comic, accurate, prime, fun, fun.
Speaker 2:Yellow suited wolverine and ryan reynolds said yes, you can, yes, you can baby, yes, you can hugh, and we're gonna get what we're gonna get with deadpool 3, which we'll obviously talk about more next week, um, however, there is a movie in between deadpool 2, x-force yeah, um, we should definitely give this one some awards, I think deadpool one I think deadpool one deserves absolutely um, is there anything else you want to talk about with this movie?
Speaker 1:no, no, I think ryan reynolds is phenomenal. Yeah, I think he's he. This movie doesn't work without him. I think that's what I'll leave he. This movie doesn't work without him. I think that's what I'll leave with he. Just, this movie does not work without somebody like Ryan Reynolds. There, um, giving ideas, and I think Tim Miller understood the assignment. You know it's. It's funny how often it works. When you understand the assignment usually goes off pretty well, and this movie understands the assignment.
Speaker 2:I agree. I with this movie in particular, because if you got someone in there, you know whether it's behind the camera, whether it's in the writer's room. That didn't get it like. Get what this character was.
Speaker 1:A lot of it could fall flat yeah, and filmmaking 101 you do with what you got. Like this is what you have. Like obviously we're not getting the same budget as the mainline x-men movies.
Speaker 2:Doesn't matter, I don't need that budget, like we don't need it, we just need the movie to work yeah, yeah, we're gonna keep this thing low budget, we're gonna keep it pretty, we're gonna keep the action tight and gritty and violent, um, and I think that's all you need at the end of the day in a movie like this. Like you didn't need it to be you, you don't want it to be again. To my point, like about what I think they were worried about porting this over to the MCU was like you wouldn't want this movie to look too clean. You know what I mean. Yeah, like you don't want you want it to look a little dirty rough, disgusting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, nasty, like that test footage is a little rough, but like you're, like, I'm kind of in, like I kind of like this, um, so yeah, all in all, you know this, this, like I said, this movie it's a pillar. It really is a pillar of kind of like when r-rated superhero movie can, can, can, do right, um, and, like I said, it spawned like not joker, probably is impossible yeah, without this, yep um, you know everything that comes after it. Probably logan might not be possible.
Speaker 1:That might be the more important one, especially for them, is logan doesn't come out, Um, and obviously again tonally different, but the rating itself. You're not getting that without it.
Speaker 2:So and Logan is one of those movies I feel needed that are rating, like it needed to be gritty, it needed to be violent, it needed to be like this kind of Clint Eastwood last you know, last you know, last of the Sundance type of movie. Fox doesn't allow that without Deadpool, because Fox rightfully so looked at Wolverine like this is the guy we put on cereal boxes. We can't have a violent Wolverine standalone movie. The kids, they get the kids.
Speaker 1:And then they said F them kids, f them kids, we're making an.
Speaker 2:R-rated Wolverine movie and it was boring. And then they said, f them kids, f them kids. We're making an R-rated Wolverine movie and it was. We'll talk about that.
Speaker 1:That movie we'll talk about too Best cinema moment in this movie.
Speaker 2:Best cinema moment? Is it just the test footage? The highway scene, sure.
Speaker 1:Sure, sure, I'll agree. I'll agree with that, I'll agree with that. I'm in. I'm in with that Best character that doesn't need to be in this movie.
Speaker 2:Best character that doesn't need to be in this movie. Let's Weasel.
Speaker 1:Weasel, get him out. Weasel is in this movie. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I said best character, worst character that doesn't need to be in this movie would be Gina Carano, who doesn't need to be in this movie. The actor.
Speaker 2:Gina Carano, the actor, get her out Realistically. Man, that's tough. The cast is so small and I feel like they all play a weirdly integral part. I wanted to say Dopinder, but I feel like you need him in the movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you do.
Speaker 2:And you need Colossus, you need Negasonic, you need Blind Al, you need Negasonic, you need Vanessa Yep. I mean, I guess you could just swap out Ajax with any villain, right, and that probably you know, that's probably it, that's probably the answer. Sure, as you swap out Ajax and Angel Dust, you could swap out Ajax and Angel Dust with literally any characters Right, characters right, and you go down the x-men villain list and put anybody there and you get the same movie that's so.
Speaker 1:That's probably the answer. Okay, uh, best actor to join the franchise?
Speaker 2:I know the worst actor to join the franchise, and that's gina carano um, I mean, it's easy to say, I mean reynolds doesn't count because he had already played deadpool. Um, I kind of want to say brianna hildebrand is negasonic yeah, she's great.
Speaker 1:She's great, i'm's great. I'm going to say Marina Pachrin is Vanessa, I did. And again, it's just the simplicity of the love story? I think it doesn't. I truthfully like, sure you could get some other actresses to go there, but there's something, there's something you know special about the two of them together vixen-ish about her In the beginning, but then it becomes so wholesome.
Speaker 1:But it's because they matched each other's freak. Yes, that's exactly right. That's exactly what happened. I don't know which other actresses are matching his freak. He needs a special person to do that. You somehow get a very compelling touching love story out of a maniac hitman and a prostitute, right.
Speaker 1:I even made the pretty woman joke in there too. Um, best car bit the test footage. That's either I mean, or I mean that, or the the taxi, the taxi, oh, that's it. That is the taxi bit each time. Uh, best family member, or so best team member.
Speaker 2:Dopender, I'm going to say Mr Pool, he's good man. Colossus, I was going to say he's so heartwarming.
Speaker 1:I love how he's the. He's like the Superman here. Like he's like the. He's the representative of the moral compass of the X-Men, exactly, and a place where it just does not need to ever. That just pushes it away each time.
Speaker 2:And it goes. You know, they obviously dive even deeper to that in the second one, right Right, because he just Two or three moments Wade.
Speaker 1:What? What Best side mission Does this movie have any side missions? Is this just the opening of?
Speaker 2:him being a hitman. That, or I was was gonna say him pursuing the um, the guy who got him into the weapon, oh, yeah, yeah, oh, I take that back.
Speaker 1:You know what the best side mission is? It's more of like as if you were to play this as an 80s sitcom. It's wade and it's wade and blind al is like an 80s sitcom. That's the best side mission. Yeah, because you can spin that put the family matters theme song on there and that plays that plays. Um, uh, best side character dope ender oh, that's tough, it's dope ender.
Speaker 2:But like blind, I mean blind owl.
Speaker 1:She's fantastic for this one, I'm gonna go negasonic. I think she's, yeah, yeah, she's just because they all play into their tropes so well, except for Blind Al. That's the perfect counter to the wise old sage character, because she's just over it. Yeah yeah, that's a great point, yeah.
Speaker 2:Saddest moment. Saddest moment.
Speaker 1:Maybe when Wade gets burned alive.
Speaker 2:Oh, like, yeah, when he's undergoing the, the experimentation, yeah, that, yeah, that is tough, that's a tough watch I was like this is where part of the r ratings coming from I I get it yeah, it's, it's rough, that's a rough scene um best relationship, wait a minute as a taxi dopinder and and the girl that he has across no him, no, no.
Speaker 1:That's the saddest moment in the movie I know our love was meant to be Most underrated character.
Speaker 2:Man.
Speaker 1:Is this a Dopinder show? Is it also just Dopinder? He's great, he's so good.
Speaker 2:Man I'm going to say Nagasonic because that character could have been a nothing character and she takes over a lot of this. A lot of it's very. Again, it goes back to like the rhyme run like it takes a very special performance and a very special, you know, like performer to kind of go toe-to-toe with him because he's so overpowering right and I think she just matches him perfectly. Like she always manages to like cut him off at the past when he's like trying to make like a wisecrack where like colossus kind of like takes the brunt of like all the wisecracks and negasonic like gives it back to him in like full force is she the most realized version of of rex tyler and and, uh, what's it called in star girl?
Speaker 2:yeah, and I love her little, I just love the little action bit with her when she like toasts angel dust, like she just goes like full boom.
Speaker 1:You know why I love that moment? Exactly there you go. Uh best 1v1, uh colossus versus angel dust Dust that's pretty good. The best 1v1 actually is the Zamboni vs that one guy that's trying to get away. You're about to get killed by a Zamboni.
Speaker 2:I'm a sucker for a big Hoss fight, and that's what the Colossus vs Angel Dust fight is. It's just two, two beasts just going up against each other, just slinging right.
Speaker 1:Good stuff. Uh, best heat check performance. Is it dope? That might be dope, because he comes to that movie. He's just putting up numbers as soon as you see him yeah, I mean it's you know that we talk about.
Speaker 2:When we talk about like the heat check thing, it's always like what's your hit rate with? Like the sequence, like the scenes that you're in, and like he's not in a lot of scenes, but he's hysterical in every scene that he's in Yep.
Speaker 1:Funniest moment, Jesus Christ. Oh my God.
Speaker 2:This is the toughest one of these we've ever done. Oh man, there's so many. I mean it's just anytime, I don't know. I'm trying to think back to like what move, like what moments made me laugh the hardest. Um man, I don't do you have one?
Speaker 1:megasonic teenager. What? But it's coupled with the. You know it's just that whole sequence of him just roasting her for like having being the teenage angsty character like zippin Sinead um I.
Speaker 2:Part of that makes me laugh is the is the um, when they pull up to the to the final battle, and he gets out and it's like big slow-motion hero, like they're rolling up, and she goes, hey, douche fool, where's your duffel bag? And he, like he realized, when he realizes he left all the guns and opened his taxi it's good um, which segues into like superhero landing like it segues. It's all that you know francis like you know it, just it kind of this movie.
Speaker 2:You know it's hard to isolate like a singular funny movie moment in like any comedy because it's usually usually the best comedies like will have. You know, joke layered into joke and like they all kind of compound onto each other that culminates in like usually one big, big laugh is like what the best comedies do, and I think this movie does that really, really well. Um, I do. You know what another funny moment is? The is when they're confronting angel dust and he's like what is he saying?
Speaker 2:he's like you're a lovely lady, but but I'm saving myself for francis right that's why I brought him, and colossus is like I'd prefer not to hit a woman. Oh yeah, remember that weird sexual tension between the two of them and then negasonic's like on her phone and he's like oh, no, no no wait for you, it's okay, because he's like, because colossus gets like she angel does like slugs colossus and deadpool's like uh, I guess that's why I brought her, she's like rolling her eyes.
Speaker 1:She's like, oh god, okay, um best exposition dump.
Speaker 2:Deadpool narrating the beginning of the movie. Yeah, it's good. I thought, you know, I thought this was a superhero movie, like I'm super but I'm no hero, like that kind of bit.
Speaker 1:I gotta agree. I gotta agree with that. It's just. The narration itself is just. It's dialed. It's funny, it's never too overbearing. Yeah, it's good stuff. Best source material callback the suit, the suit, the suit actually being freaking out. We didn't even talk about the suit.
Speaker 2:We didn't talk about the suit.
Speaker 1:It's one of the best superhero suits that has ever graced live action. It is one of the best by far.
Speaker 2:It's perfect.
Speaker 1:What are some perfect suits?
Speaker 2:That are practical, because the Iron man one one is really good.
Speaker 1:We'll count iron man, because obviously you got to do some some cgi into that. The iron man, one, one is it's phenomenal um, I quite like captain america winter soldier's first suit. That's a great suit.
Speaker 2:Um, I might ruffle some feathers with this, but the batman the batman suit?
Speaker 1:yeah, that suit, I think that's all. Is it because of him, though. I Batman suit? Yeah, that suit, I think that's all. Is it because of him, though I don't know. He fits that suit well, not like that, but he fits the suit very well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm just trying to think. I think the Amazing Spider-Man 2 suit is the best. It's a flawless Spider-Man suit.
Speaker 1:I think Raimi's suit's dang good too. I think Raimi's suit's dang good too. I think Raimi's suit's really good. It is, it is.
Speaker 2:I think the Raimi suit is more like it became like its own thing, mm-hmm, like it wasn't like the definitive Spider-Man suit, but like that suit is so iconic that it retroactively became the definitive Spider-Man suit because, you know, again, this might be ruffling some feathers just because of the personnel, but the Gal Gadot Wonder Woman costume is pretty good.
Speaker 1:That was pretty good. Pretty great. Moon Knight's suit I thought when they actually had Oscar Isaac in the actual suit itself, not the CGI suit, that suit I really thought that suit was great. Doctor Strange oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Doctor Strange might have one of the best suits in the entire.
Speaker 2:It's not a hard suit to do, right, because it's just like a cloak and a cape, but it's all the detailing too. It's the detailing. It's Cumberbatch himself, the goatee, right. But no, I think the Deadpool suit might be maybe the best it is. It's like they pulled it out of the comic book. Exactly that's what it works. It's like you're like, and somehow this one looks better, the deadpool 3 one, like it's just yeah, this, the deadpool 3 one, looks the best out of all of them so far.
Speaker 1:I want to see it on the big screen, but it looks. It looks great. Um, we are on, uh, the what's your favorite cameo out of this movie. This movie doesn't really do that.
Speaker 2:No, I would say I mean, the funniest one is the the um, the post-credits when he kills, right like that's objectively the funniest.
Speaker 1:One kills ryan. Is it hugh jackman? Is it the lack of hugh jackman, but the abundance of hugh jackman? Is that the best one?
Speaker 2:that's pretty good. But he's like, yeah, it's just like constant prodding at Hugh Jackman, which again, I think all ties into the fact of why he ultimately came back for this movie. It's good stuff.
Speaker 1:Um best NPC. Uh, oh, what's the big guy at the bar that's always playing like some biker and everything yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's. I was gonna say, I was gonna make a joke and say ajax, but that's good, that's real good, that's really good.
Speaker 2:Uh favorite action sequence uh, it's hard not to say that car yeah, fight on the highway, man.
Speaker 1:It's good.
Speaker 2:It's good, it's good to great I mean there's a reason why people saw that and were like you need to make this movie now, or else it's because the act I mean it's so creative you know they use. The use of slow motion is really good too. Um, in that sequence with like just inside the car, when, like it's like you know, people are like flying over other people, like people in slow motion, like I really really like that car sequence, man uh favorite line oh man maximum effort maximum effort maximum effort is pretty good um that line with al is is incredible oh, love is blind way, no, you're, you're blind, no, you're blind.
Speaker 2:Um, I pity the dude that's gonna pressure her in a prom sex oh yeah, that's good stuff.
Speaker 1:That's good stuff. Um favorite world building or lore moment, is it the lack of the x-men?
Speaker 2:uh, it's. Yeah, it's the lack of the x-men. It's the the in in universe joke of um not knowing what professor x is in the universe, mcavoy or or Stewart. The timelines are so confusing. There's a little commentary on that. Actually, you know what mine is. It's Bob the Hydra Agent. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's you Wade Bob.
Speaker 2:I thought that was pretty fun.
Speaker 1:That also could have been the best source material callback, because that's a thing from the comics that they do.
Speaker 2:He just randomly knows one Hydra Agent, and it's bob yeah, and I love and again, just it just goes to show you like how much you know how smart ryan reynolds is, that like he's like what can we, what can we put in this movie? That like skates around the marvel kind of legality stuff. Um, we can put bob the hydra agent in this, but you know, obviously say he's not hydra. You know, like he did those things like a because he wanted to be, because he knew it would pop a crowd like to just throw these stupid little things in there that's good.
Speaker 1:I I do enjoy that. Um your favorite performance in this movie. Sometimes it's simple. Sometimes it's simple. It's ryan reynolds. It is ryan. The movie it's dope hinder. Sorry, I'm just kidding it. Sometimes it's simple.
Speaker 2:Sometimes it's simple. It's Ryan Reynolds. It is Ryan Reynolds, the movie. It's Dope Hinder. Sorry, I'm just kidding. Again, we've talked about more than a handful of movies, but only a handful of movies where you look at the performance and you're like, does this movie work if this person is not in it? No earthly shot and there's no shot. This movie works if he's not in this. Um, his, it's just his. His charisma alone just propels this movie to being a 800 million dollar juggernaut, which is an insane kind of testament to you know his, his, he's uniquely. Sometimes you're just uniquely suited for a particular thing right favorite character.
Speaker 1:Sometimes it's simple.
Speaker 2:Sometimes it's simple it's ajax, obviously um, yeah, it's deadpool, I mean again the it's, it's smartly written. Um, like I said, there's a million different ways that this movie becomes very grating, it becomes very boring, it becomes very. One note like you're like, ah, he's doing this again, um, but every time he does something it's it's funny. Um, like it's, and that's hard to do, like in terms of like genre performances, like comedy is one of the hardest to do. Um, because you have to, you have to hit, like those lines have to hit, yep, and if they don't hit, if they fall flat, like the audience gets bored and then they check out and then you're done. Um, this movie does not have that problem. Um, again, it's very short, it's very tight, um little over 90 minutes, which is perfect. Like it doesn't need to be any longer than that. It doesn't need to be shorter than that. It doesn't overstay its welcome.
Speaker 2:I think the non-linearity of it helps it a ton. Um, yeah, man, I just ryan reynolds, deadpool hand in hand. Um favorite moment. Uh, I like, I quite like the like, the like you kind of think you were talking about earlier. I quite like the quiet moments between wade and vanessa. Like a lot, actually, like I think it adds a lot of um. It's weird to say that it adds levity to a comedy movie, but the human moments in a movie like this often provide the levity instead of the other way around, where it's usually the comedy providing levity for the human moments. And this is kind of like the inverse right, which I kind of like um, it's the.
Speaker 1:It's the montage where he was developing a suit, where he's looking for francis, which encapsulates, which includes the sequence of you're about to get kicked by a Zamboni. Like that whole thing, the action's good in there too. Like the action's actually good. He gets to show off that. Not only am I like this funny actor, like you know I don't know how much he did but like at least my character can fight like this too.
Speaker 2:Yes, I think that's a great point that we kind of overlooked was like he's jokey, quippy, but also pretty incredibly dangerous, right which I think it's important too, because you don't want to run into the trap.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to remember what this is, where it was something we talked about one day. We're like I never felt truthful like that. You're like ready for, oh, it's the. It's the paul rudd ant-man thing where, like I think, paul rudd's ant-man fell into the trap of a special. It started to become an issue in two, and then three is where it really became an oh-no. I don't know how credible you are as the actual superhero. We're lucky. We love you as the person.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the most credible he is is probably Civil War.
Speaker 1:I think Ant-Man won. He's pretty good. I think he's pretty credible in Ant-Man 1. Most it's the closest to the trust that he plays, the thing that got him there in the first place, and that's the, and that's the thief like the good thief. So you know. And then to your point, in civil war as well too, even without the giant man, just him being being ant-man like. But again they start to straighten. It becomes glaringly apparent in the second one where it's just like why can't wasp just do this mission and be done Like, why did they need him in the first place?
Speaker 2:And it's a great point about Deadpool Like he is formidable and I think you know that's why that first chunk of X-Men Origins, wolverine, everyone is so enamored by that performance Because, like, he's joking, he's quipping, he's cracking wisecracking in the elevator and then he gets out of the elevator and he does, you know, obviously he does the ridiculous sword windmill, he cuts the bullet in half but at the same time, like presentation of what you're showing me, you're like, oh yeah, snap, like this guy he might be jokey, jokey, but he does not muck around when it comes to, like you know, yeah, actually executing people and that's why I like that montage so much, because it doesn't only show me that he's such an no, he's freaking hilarious, he's also an issue.
Speaker 2:He's also a sociopath.
Speaker 1:He's also a problem to deal with and he's also immortal. He just can't die, and that's Deadpool 1.
Speaker 2:Did we want to give out the first ever John David Washington Kenny Act Award?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we were cooking up some new awards. I'd like to introduce three awards. This week. We have the john david washington can he act award. Can he act? Can they act?
Speaker 2:we don't know we don't know for sure. Um, this one goes to ed screen as ajax yeah yep, can he act?
Speaker 1:I think maybe. Yeah, huh, he's there.
Speaker 2:He's there. Oh, he was in Rebel Moon. Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1:Yep, no good, no good, no good. Rebel Moon was.
Speaker 2:No good, no, no, ed Screen.
Speaker 1:What did I say? I said he's yoked out. What's his name? From X-Men and Mad Max? And then he's going to be in Superman, mm-hmm. And then he's going to be in Superman Mm-hmm. What's his name? Why can't I remember Nicholas Holt? Yeah, he's yoked out. Nicholas Holt, that's who he is.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, he was the original Dario Naharis in Game of Thrones before he got recast. Yeah, wait a minute. I don't know if he can act.
Speaker 1:Actually, and that's the point of the award. We'll never know, know for sure. I'd like to give out the very first movie star Glenn Powell award. Sometimes it's easy it just goes to Brian Reynolds.
Speaker 2:This is a very movie star performance.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is. This is the Glenn Powell movie star. Is this so is?
Speaker 2:this is the spirit of this award. Like your star power alone drove this movie.
Speaker 1:No well, it's not. It's not mutually exclusive to that, because sometimes you're just movie star. You're just a movie star, okay, okay. What you need is to not do TV. That helps with the Glenn Powell movie star award. You're a movie star, you're not a TV show star. Yes, okay, I'm seeing. But we can break the rule by the time you get to. Gladiator for Pedro Pascal.
Speaker 2:Well, he's so movie star that he brought his movie star to TV To.
Speaker 1:TV, yep See, and that's why you can break the award. And the Denzel Washington, it's a parent and son award. The Denzel Washington oh, he can act. Award, tj, I'm just kidding. Nope, nope, nope, it goes to Marina Baccarin. She can act, she can act, she can act, she very much can act, and I love it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she. It is very like Her performance in this. You're like she's good yeah.
Speaker 1:She's really good. You're like a good. You do the acting for your life, don't you? You do the acting and she's in a lot of stuff. She is in a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2:She was the voice of gideon. And then flash, I did not know that. Yep, wow, I love when I just go on the wikipedia. I'm like this person was in this right, remember. We find out that steven lang was the guy who shot will smith on fresh prince of el air but we also found that out like within the week of him slapping chris rock. That's what made that infinitely better I was like whoa huh, she was the voice of Talia al Ghul in Batman things. Ah, she could be a live-action Talia al Ghul.
Speaker 1:I think so too. I don't know if she's too old for it now, Maybe. If she, yeah, maybe not. No, no, no, no, no, Maybe not because that's the conceit that Damian Wayne is a kid, or like Damian Wayne's around.
Speaker 2:That.
Speaker 1:Cool, put Marina Baccarin in a lot of stuff. Put her in more stuff. Yeah, put her in more things Put her in even more things.
Speaker 2:She was in the Mentalist Very cool, good for her.
Speaker 1:What do you mean? She was in Gotham, just kidding. I liked her in Gotham, I quite liked her in Gotham. It wasn't so crazy, gotham got weird. Yeah, it wasn't so crazy Goth, but then it got.
Speaker 2:But then it knew it got weird it did know it got weird, which I I like about it.
Speaker 1:So many people were watching gotham. When that first came out, there was a lot of people watching that show.
Speaker 2:What I love about gotham is they're like we're gonna make a show about jim gordon and batman's not gonna be in this. And then they got the season three and they're like bruce wayne should just be the main character and we're like, and they did a lot of weird stuff with jim yeah, they did a lot of weird stuff with him and then he got the mustache at the end.
Speaker 1:Yeah he did, yeah, he did Big time baby. And then they did the infamous bat suit. At the end Everybody's like oh no, cameron Monaghan though, yeah, yeah, yeah. The best thing to come out of that show was the revelation of that's a Den. Shout out Cameron Monaghan. Put Cameron Monaghan in more stuff, great awards.
Speaker 2:I like these new additions. It's going to be fun to dip into. Next week we're going to Kenny Act.
Speaker 1:Ooh, there's somebody I'm thinking about for this award next week, but it's not in the way that you think, ooh.
Speaker 2:I'm excited to find out.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's a Roland Emmerich movie. What if the John David Washington Kenny Actoword wasn't what you think? What a tagline for a movie. What if the moon wasn't what you think? You're telling me that didn't make a billion dollars.
Speaker 2:I just remember seeing that for the first time in theaters when the first trailer dropped for it. It was like what if the moon was not what you think? And I'm like you said what now? I'm not going to be scrolling my phone sometimes during trailers, but I was locked in for the moonfall trailer you know, what I said is that, is that, hally berry?
Speaker 1:yeah, you know what? The moonfall trailer was great because it showed the entire movie and the twist in the trailer it did see.
Speaker 2:That's what, that's where he messed up, that's where, that's where he lost the plot from see m night Shyamalan doesn't give away the twist. No, you can probably guess what the twist is, right in an m night Shyamalan doesn't give away the twist. No, no, no, no, you can probably guess what the twist is in an M Night Shyamalan movie. What's the twist?
Speaker 1:and trap that he's the murderer, right? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. His daughter's the murderer and he's covering for her. That's what I like. Oh, oh, no, no, no. What was the one I liked? That? The actual crazy part is it could be any of those things. You know what my yeah, you know what the best twist is gonna be? You know the guy in the trailer, the black guy in the trailer. That's just like I'm not supposed to tell you this. Right, what if he's the murderer?
Speaker 2:I will never forget. In high school we had like a all like an all-class assembly, that where we went to the auditorium and watched a movie, right, and the movie we watched was the village and I had never seen it so, as an entire school, you watched the village of all movies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what school did you go to? Don't worry about it, jesus.
Speaker 2:We watched the village and I was I. This is when I was in like I don't know. I was like in 10th or 11th grade, so I had no like concept of like m9 shaman or like I didn't. I wasn't aware of the gimmick. So I went in there and we were everyone was watching this movie and then the twist happens.
Speaker 2:The m9 shaman twist happens in the village, where you find out it's not the village, it takes place in the modern day and I just remember everyone just being like, what? Like it was the lamest thing. And he's never disappointed me since. Yep, I and he tricked me. He's tricked me every time. Yep, every time he's tricked me. I went into glass, damn, and I'm like that movie was great for like two-thirds of it. And then the third act happens and the movie completely falls apart. Yep, and then Bruce Willis dies in a puddle. All right, I'm done. I'm done talking about An Anishinaabemowin. No, we're talking about Deadpool, deadpool. We're talking about Deadpool, deadpool, really really good. Deadpool 2 next week, also really really good, yep, directed by David Leitch. Yep, we're back on David Leitch Corner.
Speaker 1:Fan favorite of the podcast, David Leitch.
Speaker 2:He is a fan favorite, so David Leitch's first movie, I believe is Deadpool 2?
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, technically his first movie is John Wick, but this is his first like no, no, no, no, he had something in between. He had something in between this and this and this and John.
Speaker 2:Wick. Oh, Atomic Blonde. Atomic Blonde's the first one.
Speaker 1:That was the first one where remember you remember Atomic Blonde.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:That got a lot of notoriety when it was coming out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so he's got Atomic Blonde, then Deadpool 2. So David and we'll talk about it next week, but that will do it for us this week. You can follow us on Twitter at Project INF underscore pod. You can follow us on Facebook at the Project Infinite podcast. You can follow us on Instagram at the Project Infinite pod and, like I said up top, you can now find us on YouTube at youtubecom slash Project Infinite pod. Yeah, man, next week we're in the deadpool deadpool, uh, deadpool triangle. So we have deadpool 2 next week and then a little deadpool 3 preview, probably with some. Do we have to do any shows that week?
Speaker 2:yeah, we're probably gonna have to do the boys and the acolyte yeah, which will just probably just segue into us talking about the boys. Yep, because that's the better show unfortunately. Look, I tried not according to the right, it's not you're reaching a war against the right this week, which is fine.
Speaker 1:No, I'm waging a personal war against gina carano. Well, it's notoriously a horrible person this is.
Speaker 2:This is the episode that gets us our big brick.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um and I'm gonna have to fight gina carano. Um, remember, when she made that movie, that didn't even make like a hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2:Great stuff, good job look, I tried, I tried, I tried to be nice to the acolyte.
Speaker 1:I did, I tried and the acolyte has one insane episode one insane episode that had nowhere near earned Right. But it did it and it was crazy.
Speaker 2:That episode was Can you imagine I don't want to jump in on, I mean we're not going to talk about the Acolyte much when we talk about the Acolyte but can you imagine if that whole show had been better and then they do that episode when you're really in Mm-hmm, You're really into the characters and really into the story, and then you get that episode?
Speaker 1:You'd be like whoa, what the that show this is the greatest show of all time. That show did not go to screenwriting class because that show does one thing egregiously bad, and that's character work. It is bad. That's character work. It is. It's bad, it's just, it's sad.
Speaker 1:I don't, and I told you this after three weeks and I said I don't care about one of these characters. It's a thing they were worried about. I don't have a reason to care about any of them and, like Osha and Mei's backstory is interested but unimaginably stupid. I'm sorry, it is so dumb. I do not care about these two girls from this random planet. I don't care, do not care. And Sol is the only one that I start to pull from. But they wait for the Sol bit for too long. They hold off on it for seven weeks. It was too little, too late. And then, once the villain reveal, comes and you're like, oh, again it's too little, too late. But there's no contention to him, because that's why everybody's making these fan cams and edits for him, because nobody cares about anybody else.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a shame, man. It's a shame because I think we both were really excited about the idea. But, like you said, like we've been saying, when we saw even the first trailer, we were like I think this show might have a character problem, like I'm not sure who I'm supposed to be getting behind or excited for, and that's kind of come to pass the jedi do suck.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's you. You know who else sucks.
Speaker 2:Just kidding gina carano um, I'm gonna never get old. Good thing we don't have to talk about her next week Because she's not in Deadpool 2.
Speaker 1:Why is she in Deadpool 2?
Speaker 2:Because she's a horrible person. Tj Miller, however, is in Deadpool 2. Not as much though, no, not even a little bit, not nearly as much. But yeah, we'll be back next week for some more Deadpool talk. Um, I did the socials already, so that is that is that. Um, that was a fun, fun conversation, fun deadpool conversation. Um, fun to revisit that movie. It's really really good. Um, and yeah, I think deadpool 2 just expands upon, but the first one did. It obviously introduces um josh brolin, his cable. We'll talk, we'll have a little josh brolin corner next week because, um, the year that he had during the deadpool two year was just insane. So we'll talk about, we'll do a little josh brolin talk next week.
Speaker 1:And, uh, from me, from the careful man don't even think about it it the gina carano.
Speaker 2:No, I'm kidding, nope, nope.
Speaker 1:Uh, we'll say the uh, the negasonic teenage warhead of the podcast. Oh, don't worry, just stay on your phone.
Speaker 2:It's fine, don't have anything to do, yeah the night, the negasonic teenage warhead of the podcast. You could have given me colossus that would have been a good one. Oh, coloss, that would have been a good one. Oh, Colossus would have been a good one too. I was just thinking like the age difference. This is what I was going for. But yeah, Until then, goodbye Peace.
