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128 - Part 1 - San Diego Comic Con! DC, Marvel & The Return of Robert Downey Jr.
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It’s our first ever two parter! With the release of both Deadpool & Wolverine and San Diego Comic Con, we decided to give both room to breathe as we spend part 1 of this week’s episode talking all things Comic Con. From the miscellaneous to the Marvel, we hit on every big bit of SDCC news including the shocking reveal of Robert Downey Jr. returning to the MCU. Timecodes are provided if you want to skip around to your topic of choice! Thank you to everyone who continues to support and don’t forget to subscribe to download new episodes as they become available and don’t be afraid to share a rating!
0:00 Intro
01:40 Miscellaneous News (Transformers, I Am Legend 2, Dexter)
08:27 Invincible & The Boys
15:30 DC Panels
28:54 The Marvel Studios Panel
30:32 Captain America: A Brave New World
35:07 The Thunderbolts
39:15 Fantastic Four: First Steps
46:23 The Russo Brothers & Robert Downey Jr. Return for Avengers: Doomsday & Secret Wars
01:07:17 Signing off! Go to Part 2 For Our Deadpool & Wolverine Review!
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Speaker 2:Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of the Project Infinite Podcast, the podcast covering the infinite and ever-expanding multiverse of fandom, From movies, comics, TV shows, video games. We got you covered. I'm Rob. I'm here, as always, with Court, Court. This is a historic occasion for us it's our first two-parter.
Speaker 1:Right, we're finally reviewing Madam Web and Morbius in the same episode, a double feature.
Speaker 2:But yeah, there's so much to talk about this weekend, which obviously we knew going in with the release of Deadpool and Wolverine and, of course, comic-con on top of that. So we're going to start part one of this podcast by talking about all the stuff that was talked about at Comic-Con and well, most of the stuff that was talked about at Comic-Con Not all of it, but just some of the headlines and then obviously the DC Marvel stuff, and then part two of the podcast will be our Deadpool and Wolverine review, which we have both seen, obviously Right, multiple times. Nope, or is one of us just going to make things up as they go along? No, we don't do that anymore. But yeah, so that's all the stuff we're going to talk about First and foremost.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I mean, as far as news of the week, if you had, you had news this week, unfortunately it, um, it's not gonna, it's not gonna happen, it's not, we're not gonna cover it, because why would you do news the weekend of comic-con if you weren't at comic-con? So we're just gonna dive right in. So I have this. I segmented this off um, first and foremost, miscellaneous, the miscellaneous stuff. Um, so, transformers one got a new trailer, um, that releases in theaters on september 27th, and I think I like this trailer better than the first one.
Speaker 1:Yep yep, I had the. I had the same feeling. I think it's a little bit more. I mean, obviously it's a little bit more plotty, which is fine, but I just feel like there's a little bit more vision on this one and it's also a sell point, like for something where everybody has the stigma of the transformers in their heads because of the live action movies. So, and if teenage mutant ninja turtles, mutant mayhem has taught us anything about, you know, modern animation, you know you can have fun like you can have all this fun, you can do so much. You know spider verse has done that invincible, so on, so forth, so, um, I think it's a little bit more focused in this trailer and that's much needed. Um, character focused as well, much more, much more needed. And then I believe there were screenings of this movie already for some reviewers and people are really liking this movie too, which is awesome yeah, um, I'm I think I've settled into the chris hemsworth optimist.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it took me a little bit, but and there's somebody else that I owe an apology to that we're going to talk about from Comic-Con that I owe a personal apology to, but we'll get there Interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was super impressed with this trailer. Like I said, I've settled into the Hemsworth voice. You know, anytime we've talked about this before, like in previous iterations of like, especially animation stuff, when you're kind of stepping into the shoes of an iconic voice actor, I I feel like and I'm not a professional voice actor by any means, but I feel like the task should be not to do an imitation of or like an homage to, you know he, who, he or she who came before you, right, um, we've talked about this, you know, a bunch of times with with the various batman voice actors over the years. Like, none of all of them you know whether it's roger, you know whether it's Roger Craig Smith, whether it's Jensen Ackles? Like, um, they all do their own thing. None of them have ever tried to imitate, nor should try to imitate, kevin Conroy. Um, and the same thing applies here with Chris Hemsworth.
Speaker 2:Um, obviously, Peter Cullen has been the voice of Optimus Prime for almost 50 years. At this point. Um, 50 years. At this point, 40, 50 years. At this point, he's so good.
Speaker 1:He's voicing Optimus Prime in roles that he's not even Optimus Prime in, yeah, so I'm glad.
Speaker 2:Hemsworth is kind of doing his own thing with it. Brian Tyree Henry obviously is a pre-Megatron Megatron, so I know obviously he doesn't sound sinister yet. But obviously I'm assuming the movie will detail kind of like megatron's fall, you know, to being optimus's prime's chief rival. Um, but yeah, I'm super excited for that. Um more miscellaneous things, um dexter. Dexter is back. Yeah, people were really who are really feeling.
Speaker 1:This one too, I was also feeling this.
Speaker 2:Um, I have a dexter fan. I love this series. I really enjoyed the um, the continuation that was released last year. I thought it was a really great series and I thought that was going to be the end of it. Um, they did announce last a few months ago that they were doing this dexter prequel series that michael c hall would be doing sort of like voiceover in a monologuing for, and we all knew that was coming. And then they they jumped one, jumped and jumped one further on us and they they're doing, I guess, a sequel series that is going to be titled Dexter Resurrection that Michael C Hall is starring in Right, and that came as a big surprise to a lot of people because of the way Dexter New Blood ended Right.
Speaker 2:Spoiler alert he dies Right, or did he? Right Time travel buried or did he? Or right time travel barry or did he? So I don't know if this is going to be a sequel series or like an in-between series um, between dexter season eight and dexter new blood. Um, but I'm all in on the. He did not die. Yeah, I mean the.
Speaker 2:The foot title resurrection indicates it's going to be post new blood and he's somehow Dexter returned. He's going to do this until he's 90 and he really might. You know if he's happy with that, sure, I think Michael C Hall you know this has been his baby for as long as he's really been acting. I would love to see him do other things, but I mean, this is his bag. He plays Dexter Morgan incredibly well and if he's happy and he wants to do this and they're ready to rock and roll, then I'm all for it. Like I said, I think New Blood kind of injected a lot of life into that franchise. So yeah, that was a really neat surprise. And then just some. The last miscellaneous thing I Am Legend 2 news that we got. So that's still happening. Stephen Cable Jr is being circled as the director.
Speaker 1:I can't tell you how excited that got me because I mean, obviously he's worked with Michael B Jordan on Creed 2. We, much to our surprise last summer, when we saw the newest Transformers movie and we were like wait a minute, this guy knows what he's doing and remember he immediately got the other two films and presumably what would be the transformers gi joe crossover film, we were like this guy's steven and I remember when ryan coogler didn't go to, you know, direct because, um, I knew he was already busy, ryan coogler. So you know, somebody like that that had so much, you know, reverence for what he was doing, like you got to get somebody you trust and obviously stephen cable jr is. He is, he's great at his craft. I really want to see what his future holds and you know getting I am legend is going to be is pretty cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think people, you know people, he's only 36 which we, we really bang on about similar to how ryan coogler was at that time too, yeah, and he's putting together kind of a neat little resume here and I think people really forget or maybe people don't even know because of how long it's been, but how massive that movie was when it came out the first.
Speaker 1:I Am Legend movie.
Speaker 2:It was you know, that was you want to talk about huge, just absolute unsung, mega hits.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it really was the you know, not that he really needed a proving point, but it really was Will Smith's kind of calling card of his superstardom. I mean, if you've ever seen the movie, he's essentially in it by himself. It's essentially a one-man show for 95% of the movie. So you know, I'm definitely looking forward to a second one. They're canonizing the alternate ending which we've talked about. Um was jayden smith busy? I'm kidding um. So you know, for those of you don't know, the alternate ending of I am legend sees um robert neville survive um and kind of go to the uh yeah like the outpost with withpost, with the other two characters at the end of the movie, and I guess we'll see what becomes of that in the second one, which is cool.
Speaker 2:I'm really excited for that. Now let's get to the comic book-y stuff, first and foremost, the non-DC Marvel related stuff Invincible, season 3. And we got a poster of Season 3, poster um, of season three of invincible any confirmation that season four is happening, right. So we got a look at mark in a in his dark, blue and black invisible costume. You might be the villain soon. Yeah, I mean, you know that's where we're headed. We're headed to like the invincible war, essentially I'll.
Speaker 1:I will say this for invincible they're in a. They're in a bit of like, not a. There are no way shape or form backs against the wall, but they do need to come out swinging with it, whatever, however many episodes they drop. When season three comes out like, they need to regain the statement claim that they made when season one came out, because that gap they took in season two was such a killer like that. It was such a social killer for what that happened.
Speaker 1:And I remember, by the time that there was another show running by, by the time I think that show had come back and I think or a movie came out or something was going on. I remember everybody's attention was away from it. Might have been gen v by that time. I can't, no, maybe gen v was over, but it was such a. It was such a killer of you know, of momentum of a season that if you put that together it's a pretty. We talked about it. That season's still really good. It's just my level of care had gone. I forgot that the show had even been coming back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I mean it's also kind of, you know, it's also caught in this whirlwind of other just things just being out now, like it's especially on amazon like your own.
Speaker 1:Yeah, your own network is, you know, being usurped by the boys which we're going to talk about next yes, yeah.
Speaker 2:So the boys. A lot of news for the boys universe came out of um comic-con, starting with gen v. Season two is obviously coming out next year and the deep, the deep will be in it. So chance crawford will get his his kind of time to shine at Gen V, which is cool. And then some Season 5 plot details were released. Jensen Ackles will be returning for the whole season as Soldier Boy.
Speaker 2:And I think that's great. Obviously, the post-finale stinger of the boys, season 4 4 showed Homelander finding Soldier Boy. Jensen Ackles has already basically said that Soldier Boy will be returning as an antagonist to Butcher, which is cool. Yeah, I think that's very cool.
Speaker 1:You know what it's going to do. It's immediately going to tell you how straight up formidable Butcher is himself. He's come full circle by the end of the show for this last season. I'm actually really into what this last season straight up formidable butcher is himself. Like he. He's come full circle by the end of the show for this last season. I'm actually really.
Speaker 1:I'm actually really into what this last season could potentially hold if they, if they can stick the landing, because we know the stigma behind these massive shows and unfortunately the boys has reached that echelon of like these huge, you know showstopper shows that everybody talks about when it's coming out. We know how it can go for a final season and I have a theory on it that people have trouble. It's like a social thing, like people have trouble letting go of things. That's why a lot of times when things end, we associate it with like a bad thing, and I I've seen it a couple I there's one specific that it's escaping me right now, that everybody walks me like it's bad. I'm like, is it bad because it's bad? Is it bad because you're sad that it's done? That's how I take it sometimes. So the Boys obviously it also leans into the craziness of the comic book genre, which comes with the craziness of the comic book fan. So they even have a more uphill battle that they have to climb on top of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think reintroducing Soulja Boy and throwing this kind of—.
Speaker 2:Play the hits boy and and throwing this kind of play, the hits yeah, a little bit of a wrench in, potentially, where you think the season is going to end or where it's going to go. Um, I think it's cool. And speaking of soldier boy, um, we got an announcement that there will be another boy spinoff, um, taking place in the 50s, called vault rising, in which it will kind of chronicle the beginnings of vault and how that all got started and it will be starring none other than Vought and how that all got started, and it will be starring none other than Jensen Ackles as Soldier Boy, and Aya Cash is coming back as presumably she'll be Liberty in this spinoff show, so they will be the two leads and obviously this makes a ton of sense.
Speaker 1:We've kind of spoken both on the podcast and off the podcast about jensen ackles as a, as a leading man, as a superstar in his own right, and you know this makes a ton of sense I can see in something like this if they, you know, retroactively it might be a little bit more difficult because he is a, he's an a-hole, but I wonder if they're going to try to peacemaker him a little bit, make him more of like a.
Speaker 2:Well, he's just so freaking I mean, even in season three of the Boys he was a horrible person, but it's just the way Jensen Ackles portrays him that you can't help but admire him.
Speaker 1:Right. So, like I said, I wonder if they're going to try to do a little bit of a peacemaker version of this where you know it's kind of it's not that simple. That's all I'm asking from. This is, like we know, homeland is the villain of the. Some people don't know that he's the villain, but he's the villain of the boys. But like it's not that simple, it's it's not that simple. We know. Like he's he's a horrible person, human being, but you know it's not that simple, and we saw it in episode four of the boys, season four, um, which we'll talk about at some point too. Like it's not that simple. That's all I want for my villains is a little bit of complexity out of them, and I think we're gonna get it. Yeah, under the show bring stormfront back too.
Speaker 2:Is is kind of another point to that. Yep, because I mean, this is different. You know, doing this is different than doing genv and doing even the boys where, like you have in gen v, you have marie who is you know she's, she's a good person in that universe and she's your point of view character in the boys itself. Um, obviously you have butcher, but like huey, is really the the point of view character of the boys, which, who is also a good person.
Speaker 1:We need to get back to that as well in season five. We, we, we have to get back to it. That's that, obviously, like I said, we're going to review the boys season four at some point, but that there's there's some issues in the season. It's not as bad as people are saying. It is no, but there's there's a couple issues. I think that's one of the issues we, I I think that show is suffering from a from a tad bit of a main character problem in season four yeah, from like a, from like a morality perspective.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's the issue and I think that's kind of not the problem that you'd run into with a show like this, but you have to. You have to. If you're going to make the show about soldier boy and stormfront liberty, you're going to have to put them against something?
Speaker 1:yeah, well, there's also that isn't just nazis, right? Well, there's probably also going to be. I think there's going to be another character that's going to kind of be like a starlight s character, where it's like this person is here of, like I'm, this is a good person to follow during this whole thing, and they're going to see like, oh, this is. These people are, are horrible, like everything I lived was a lie. You just don't want to. You know, beat the same drum twice. That's the only thing I guess that they have to be a little careful of.
Speaker 2:Yeah I yeah, but I mean I totally just trust this team and I trust, you know, obviously jensen ackles can, can do whatever he wants as that character and I think it'll make a batman. Make a batman, um, but that's really that's as far as like the comic, non-dc marvel stuff. That's pretty much it um for headlines. So let's get into the dc stuff, um, first and foremost, logo. We got a logo, a dc studios logo. People are hating on it, which I don't understand I mean, I know why, yeah, we won't say who we know who.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um. So obviously it's a throwback to the you know not the early days of dc, but you know that kind of kind of like the golden era of dc comics.
Speaker 1:Um is kind of what that you say that, that golden age, and I think that's exactly, that's exactly what james gunn is trying to capture. I mean, we we spoke so highly of when the set photos started coming out for superman and I said which is done, filming, by the way right, it's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it just wrapped filming it. Like a couple minutes ago james gunn's tweet just came out, but you know, it's the same feeling that I got for the batman. There's, there's something about this that just feels, it feels organic, like. There's something about this that feels correct and I can't wait to talk about fantastic four in a little bit as well too. It's there's, and it's funny that those movies are coming out within the same month of each. They should have done the same day, um, but they're coming out within a two-week period of each other. But there's something so real about that movie and I can't wait to see what the jumpstart is, I feel like. Also, I saw Twisters with David Cornswine, and from his first line of the movie, he's not a villain, but he's not a good guy in the movie?
Speaker 2:essentially no. The villain is the Twisters.
Speaker 1:No, no no, that's Cosmic movie, essentially. No, the villain is the twisters, no, no, no, that's cosmic indifference. The villain is capitalism, damn um. But yeah, I, from his first line of dialogue, I was like, oh, I, I see why you guys did that, I see why you guys casted him. So I, I mean I, I can't wait for that movie and that universe to blossom and to see what it is. And again to your point, they didn't. They didn't really go like here's 45 movies coming up. It's like superman, lantern show, a couple other things, that's it. But the main focus is superman. Right now. This is the. This is the number one thing that we're focused on this should be the main character of the main universe correct that's all we're worried about.
Speaker 2:You have to, that's exactly right. Like you have to, you have to get the, the marketing machine behind this movie, you know, or else there's no point talking about any other stuff, like if superman fails, like everything else is going to crumble, yeah, which I mean.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's going to no, no, I think I think quite the contrary. I think this movie might thrive and I just want to see that first trailer is going to tell me everything I need to know and I think, the more important thing than you know. Obviously, quality is so important and it looks quality from everything I've seen, has a lot of location and you know everybody's just everybody's like well, we don't want to see anything from the. You know the argument. And deadpool and wolverine we're going to talk about that a little bit. I mean, mean, the argument always is you know, why are these? Why are we shooting on sounds? It's because you guys take pictures of everything that's out there and you see the movie before the movie comes out.
Speaker 1:But, like I said, that adds to that organic nature. Like they were in Cleveland shooting, they went to the Guardian Stadium to film a fight scene.
Speaker 2:Like they're this feels like a. This feels like a film. I can't explain it any other way. Yeah, yeah, totally. Um. And then, speaking of superman, we got a trailer for the final season, superman and lois. Um, this comic-con was really a nice kind of uh, served as a nice little send-off for, you know, tyler hecklin and elizabeth tulloch as as superman and lois a lot of people respect him as superman and I think that was very telling this weekend.
Speaker 1:Like there's a lot of people, I think like collectively so many people have you know, been seeing like the. I think I'm pretty sure he talked to david corn sweat at some point um, he was with um, he was with jack quaid at some point, because obviously he voices him and and the adventures of superman. But there's something that's so homely about his superman and just something so vintage almost about his superman. But it's it's, it's a modern take on the on the house husband. I think it's such an interesting take. We said that since season one. It's like, yeah, we, we watched him. Like I wasn't expecting this, I wasn't expecting like a like, a wholesome like, because we were so used to cavill superman, where it's like I wasn't expecting, like this dad just to, yeah, it just so happened to be Superman, but compelling television behind that as well too, and he even said as part of their panel he knew when he originally signed on to portray Superman he knew that they were kind of operating on an expiration date.
Speaker 2:He knew he couldn't play Superman forever, because obviously the reason that this even became a thing is because the movies failed so spectacularly and like there was no like real plan for a superman on on film again. So they kind of kicked the character down to tv and just kind of let tyler hecklund cook and the creators of the show too and we and I like to think that you can watch the first episode as it like its own movie, yeah, of superman and lois.
Speaker 1:And I'll never forget the reaction when that episode came out. We were like, wait a minute, is that is that budget? I see, is that is that money put into this thing? Yeah, um, so that's awesome. I just um, obviously this. I'm gonna be sad when this show is over, like I I truthfully was so into the show. Um, they've done a lot of cool things. They have done a lot of good. They hit a bunch of major comic beats too, which a lot of these shows struggle to do, and they, they hit I mean you hit doomsday, you hit lex luther, um, you hit um bizarro.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you've done the uh like the league of supermen, right?
Speaker 1:yep, you've done so much, starting with, like one of the craziest like right reveals in in modern tv with the john henry irons reveal which nobody saw that was yeah, that was wild, that was insane, but there was just a certain you could tell there was love for not only this character but this cast. The whole time they were making this show and you know that's what you want. That's what you want out of television, Like if everybody's comfortable doing their thing, that just leaves room to just make something. That's special, and I think that's how I can describe Superman and Lois. However you want to split it, somebody can say this dumb CW show, no, they actually cared about what they were doing day in and day out, and it shows. It shows what you get.
Speaker 2:And then obviously this final season is going to be adapting Death of Superman. That's going to be the plot of this season, doomsday showing up, lot of this of the season. With doomsday showing up, which you know, I don't mind the the doomsday origin of this show either, like morphing him out of from bizarro and making him doomsday, like I think that was a cool right, you know again, like a cool twist on a familiar story. Like lex luther manipulates and experiments on bizarro to make him this indestructible superman killer that becomes doomsday, which I thought was super cool. Um, and then tyler hecklund also said that, despite the you know the budgetary constraints, despite the um, you know the shortened episode list, he said he feels that every, every character that we've, that we've come to know in the last four seasons, is going to get a fitting kind of conclusion to all their arcs. Um, so that'd be cool because I mean, I think one of this show show strengths is in there is in their cast and in their, in their minor characters.
Speaker 1:It was. It was apparent from season one, and I mean even down to like your more and more minor characters. Like everybody, I felt something for and that's so difficult, especially with television. It's so difficult for me not to be graded by anybody and graded by anybody and everybody. Like I said, it's bringing your a game, but it's also being. You know, there's no negligence from the writers to any of the characters and we're big proponents of every story needs to be character like. If you're going to write something, it needs to be character driven.
Speaker 2:That's who we're following and I'm glad you brought that first episode up too, because all I'm thinking about in this final season, like I remember that first episode and I just know whatever the the series finale is going to be is going to be such. It's probably going to be like this very touching, kind of like love letter to superman, right, because that's what this the, the first episode, the pilot was kind of predicated on, was kind of like we're, we're showing you superman the way he should be shown, and I think this series finale is going to probably do the same thing right, that shows so good about it too.
Speaker 1:That's what I'll leave with. Is even that episode from, I believe, season two, where it was kind of he was kind of stuck in that. He was stuck in that um, in that trance and he was like reliving his life of like his best moments. It's not his best moments as superman, it was his best moments as superman as it pertains to lois lane, like just something goes so simple, but something so effective as well too yeah, so, and also it's a is a the show is.
Speaker 2:You know, even though it came to the to the game late, it's also the end of the network tv. Yeah, dc universe that obviously started with arrow. Well, technically I guess you could say it started with smallville, right, um, you know, and then was popularized by arrow in the arrow verse and you know, like I said, superman and lois kind of obviously came to that late in the game, but this is the end of it. All the DC shows after this are all on Prestige TV, like HBO and other things. So this is it. This is going to be the end of network TV DC shows, which is kind of crazy. Speaking of TV shows, we got a trailer for Creat commandos. Yeah, um, at comic con.
Speaker 1:I'm in I'm also in. Yeah, I'm in. I. As soon as that first line hit from waller, I'm like, oh yeah, I know exactly what they're they're doing and it's so simple. It's something so effective, like if you can discover tone out of the gate and not have any questions about tone out of the gate and you can probably litmus test, you can throw me a trailer for something and then you can probably say what, how did the tone feel in that thing? And if it's just like I don't know if this is a comedy, I don't know if it's trying to be funny- that's one of James.
Speaker 1:Bond's strengths, Exactly, Exactly. And guardians three is like that was One doesn't. But Guardians 3 is, in my opinion, his magnum opus of. I'm going to gut punch you right in the beginning of the movie. You're going to know exactly what type of movie this is, out of the gate.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and same thing here. It's just this ridiculous kind of Suicide Squad-adjacent show that's going to feature these disposable but also endearing funny characters. This is essentially what you're getting, and that's perfect. Speaking of Suicide Squad, though, joel Kinnaman is apparently coming back in Peacemaker, which obviously raises some eyebrows. Yeah, I don't think it's going to be that simple. I mean, it'll probably be, you know kind of I don't know.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's a comic book universe. They're going to find a way.
Speaker 2:Is he going to come back as Peacemaker's conscience?
Speaker 1:That would be interesting, but I think he already dealt with everything he needed to deal with in season one. From that perspective, I feel like we already did that. We've already been there. He's too far gone.
Speaker 2:Are they going to do the tweet, the viral tweet, when Peacemaker puts on Rick Flagg's costume Peacemaker. What a joke. Peacemaker puts on Rick Flagg's costume Peacemaker. What a joke, Rick Flagg. What a joke. I think it's cool.
Speaker 1:I think it's very cool.
Speaker 2:We don't know a ton about the season two of the show.
Speaker 1:We just know he has a new suit.
Speaker 2:New suit and a new opening credits Right Dance routine. And Joel Kinnaman and Joel.
Speaker 1:Kinnaman yep. Three recipes for success.
Speaker 2:A dance number, joel Kin, which it's the Sopranos but it's the DC Universe. I'm cool.
Speaker 1:I'm cool. I'm cool with it and I mean, I'll just keep this very simple. You're led by an Oscar nominee, you're fine, you're in good hands, you're on HBO. You're on HBO, obviously also. Matt Reeves is heavily dipped into this as well. Is he directing any of these episodes? I'm sure If he's directing, I genuinely think from the bottom of my heart that Pattinson's going to show up. I don't think there's any earthly shot?
Speaker 2:Well, he has to. You can't just let the Penguin run rampant over Gotham for eight episodes.
Speaker 1:Well, Batman deals a lot with being on the ground and Gotham's underwater when the show takes place, so he's just perched up there. He's like what are you guys doing down there?
Speaker 2:Crime there, crime like that's stop it.
Speaker 1:That'll be like that'll be the end of the end of the series when he's just like batman's, like all right, that's it enough, right, um, but seriously, it looks. I mean it visually looks great. I mean it looks great. The acting's probably going to be great. Like whatever you wanted out of secret invasion, this is probably going to be a better payoff for like a great point adjacent show, that is the. You know, the whole cell is like we're going to do the acting. Like no, they're actually probably going to do the acting.
Speaker 2:All the casting is phenomenal too and then also segues into the penguin, will be back, the penguin will return, and the batman too. Batman returns, you say I see what they did there they should call batman 2. Batman returns the batman returns. Oh man the batman.
Speaker 1:2 batman returns. Why batman returns the batman?
Speaker 1:oh man, not bad, the batman and robin oh yes, just remix all the, all the batman titles yeah, the dark knight rises that's how you know it's a matt ruse joint um, uh, cloverfield, he didn't wait, he didn't do that movie no, but he's just taking over, just crossing over into other genres the twisters yeah, the, the war of the planet of the, the war of the, the planet of the age. That does in that, in that title, directed by matt reeves, um, directed by the matt reeves um man, the penguins also.
Speaker 2:The penguin also I forgot clancy brown was in this show and I saw him right.
Speaker 1:Yes, right it's pretty good. Awesome. Salvatore maroney. He doesn't. Don't say it, because I know what you're gonna say that he doesn't sound like a salvatore Moroni.
Speaker 2:He doesn't Don't say it because I know what you're going to say that he doesn't sound like a Salvatore Moroni. He just sounds like Clancy Brown Right, which is just his bag. Look Denzel's popularizing it now with Gladiator. He's like accent no.
Speaker 1:Ancient Rome no accent.
Speaker 2:No, I'm going to be Denzel watching this. You guys must be crazy. And then and then, and then, the main event of the evening of Comic-Con weekend Marvel. So Marvel returns to somehow. Marvel returns to Comic-Con. They booked Hall H solid at 9 o'clock Eastern time. Yeah, we Prime time. Right, we said out of the gate not months.
Speaker 1:A couple weeks ago when Marvel said, or months ago, whenever it was, when they said they're going to holland, we're like, oh, they got a. I think we said, like they have a, they have a knockout punch, boy did they? They had a knockout punch waiting to go, because they're a studio like that that in the same weekend released a movie that's gonna hit a billion dollars, if not more than that. Yep, um, you know just what was it? 500, it's already 500 million dollars. Yeah, 500 billion, right, million million, 500 million. No, no, I'm talking about the universe as a whole oh yeah, uh, it's like 30, 50 billion or something at the box office total which I mean.
Speaker 2:You know we've talked about it's the. Again I'm gonna refrain it's the single greatest cinematic achievement in the history of movies like any way you want to it's like that one. Wolverine is the 34th film in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Nothing's ever touching this. Ever again, Fast and Furious said don't count us out. But yeah, we said that A this panel needed to be focused. No more of the. This is our thing from 2020 to 2077. We don't need that. What if the boys made?
Speaker 1:fun of it. They actually had that planned. Once the boys made fun of it, they actually had that planned.
Speaker 2:And then the boys made fun of it. Keep this bad boy focused. Leave the TV stuff at home. Just give us three to four movie announcements. Bring the cast out Yep, and they checked all those boxes. Yes, they did, starting with Cast in America 4. So we got. Apparently there was another stuff was shown people were really impressed with. Are we allowed?
Speaker 1:to talk about the stuff that was shown. I mean, I didn't see it.
Speaker 2:I heard what was shown.
Speaker 1:Yeah, everyone has heard what was shown so in this footage, the big thing is that you see Ross transform into Red Hulk at the White House, which is that's going to be nuts. I can't believe that Harrison Ford is doing this. I genuinely cannot believe it. Also, he was there. He was there and he's having a blast. Oh my god. I was stunned Because we called it months ago and we were like, oh he's going to be Grumpy Old man.
Speaker 2:Grumpy Gramps, harrison Ford.
Speaker 1:I can't wait until somebody asks him about the word adamantium and he hits him Well there was a bit of that Right.
Speaker 2:Someone asked him about what was it. Someone asked I forget what the question was.
Speaker 1:Feige said like do you understand how my nerd brain is going to operate hearing Indiana Jones say the word adamantium?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Someone asked for like something. It was something Indiana Jones, Marvel related, and he was just like I don't care. I'm like there he is, you can't trick me anymore. But he came out, he did a Red Hulk mannerism. He's weirdly protective of Anthony Mackie which I think is awesome. Yeah, I think that's incredible. Yeah, I was not prepared for locked in. I'm all in on this.
Speaker 1:I think that Feige probably met with him. He's, like you understand that you're Indiana Jones and Han. So like you are one of the most important actors to ever live and in terms of like pop culture, you are one of the most important. Like now you're in the pop culture universe Like I need your help with this. And he had a quote.
Speaker 2:Ford had a quote that I shared with you that I thought was just like pitch perfect when he said like I've seen all these other actors come over, like all these you know revered actors that, like, I respect and admire, they've come over to these marvel movies and had a fun time, and he was like, hey, I want to do that and I think that's yeah, he's just like I'm not a good actor, but I want to have a fun time like I think that's a perfect attitude, for you know someone like harrison ford to have like coming into the marvel cinematic universe like he's seen.
Speaker 2:Obviously he's probably seen at least a couple of these.
Speaker 1:Um, he probably saw everything that you know that william hurt was in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's probably he's probably heard from some of his contemporaries, you know, I'm sure, like you know he. Maybe he talked to robert like a robert redford and then you sure you know that makes that, makes complete sense. You know, talk to his contemporaries that have acted in the movie Samuel.
Speaker 1:L Jackson. You probably were like is this good? And Samuel L Jackson's like look at my paycheck.
Speaker 2:Of course, of course this is great. So Harrison Ford's coming over, he's all in, he's here to have a fun time, and I think I was unprepared for that angle. So now the stonks of Captain America 4 have gone up, because I of Captain America 4 have gone up, because I think Harrison Ford is going to give us a little something, something there.
Speaker 1:Feige talked just plot related. Feige talked about it. It's getting back to the roots of what Winter Soldier is. That's what the big sell of this movie is, and we said it the world level. We're getting back to that world level espionage thrillers, something that Feige and I think that Anthony Mackie and Harrison Ford said that Joaquin Torres or Danny Ramirez is like the standout of this movie and like the breakout star, which I'm super excited to see what they do with him as well.
Speaker 2:Yep, the Tiamat thing was confirmed, that that big celestial is going to be pumping out adamantium. Yep.
Speaker 1:And that all the celestials, that's what they're made out of, which I think is it's cool.
Speaker 2:I think that's really freaking cool it kind of does would give them this kind of godly presence that they're literally beings of this indestructible metal, right like I think that makes a ton of sense. John Carlo Esposito's character has been revealed.
Speaker 1:Yeah we were wrong he's, yeah, the.
Speaker 2:He said that no one's going to guess Right. He was right, right. So he will be portraying a character called Sidewinder, the king of the Serpent Society, right.
Speaker 1:You know how many times as a kid I saw the Serpent Society get messed up in the Avengers cartoons Get cooked and those of you longtime MCU heads.
Speaker 2:The original title of what became Captain America Civil civil war was captain america and the serpent society. That was like the masqueraded title when they didn't want to be like, they wanted to surprise everybody like surprise civil war, um. So the original working title was captain america and the serpent society, so it's kind of cool that they're bringing that back around.
Speaker 2:Um, I mean that that type of character works for john carlos the head of some secret organization where he gets to look cool and carry a gun and probably spit some mean dialogue. Well, he'll be back.
Speaker 1:It's just, and he said he'll be back in a television show and again I wonder who it will be against. And that's when we lead into the Thunderbolts in the room, because I have a theory of when he's going to be back yeah, um.
Speaker 2:So we brought out the cast, some of the cast of the thunderbolts um sebastian sinn, florence, pew, david harbour showed up in the red guardian costume there's nobody else wearing their suits pretty good, um, we got some plot details about the thunderbolts and it's, it's a, it's a wacky romp of these villains who got assigned to the same task and they're like wait a minute right um the task most likely will be because we just found out who, what's his name Lewis Pullman is playing.
Speaker 2:Well, we don't know for sure. We know he's going to be a character.
Speaker 1:Well, he said he's like because the moderator's name was Bob, so he's like. My character's name is Bob and obviously we know that's Robert Reynolds, the man. The Century, yeah, the Century. So the man made out of.
Speaker 2:How are these guys going to fight this injury?
Speaker 1:Something's going to happen. Right, there's got to be something.
Speaker 2:It's a bunch of super soldiers.
Speaker 1:Exactly. Some of them aren't even super soldiers, some of them are just Yelena Belova. Yeah, who's the heart of this movie that they all kept saying? She's the main character, which makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2:You put Florence Pugh in the movie, you make sure she's the main character.
Speaker 1:Which makes a lot of sense. You put Florence Pugh in the movie. You make sure she's the focal point. Sebastian Stan is definitely dying in this movie. There's no shot he's making it out of this. He's been alive for too long.
Speaker 2:He has been alive for a long time. He's been alive for too long. If we're going to suicide, squad this and predict people that are going to die, I think Red Guardian probably.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, and a sacrifice for his daughter? That's a no-brainer.
Speaker 2:But I also think Bucky is probably near the top of that list as well. Taskmaster, probably. Yeah, we never missed you because we never knew you. We never knew you, never, never, yeah. And then, yeah, I forgot Ghost was in this also, and then Wyatt Russell popped, yeah, um, and then, yeah, I forgot.
Speaker 1:I forgot ghost was in this also. Um, and then why? Russell popped up. Oh, that's the character I'm most excited for out of this whole thing and I, we, I think we've sung to the mountains how good we think that performance in falcon and the winter soldier is and how much more we needed to see of that, because, again, it's the whole thing that we talked about.
Speaker 1:So it's not that simple, it's not. It's not him, just and and I just re-watched Falcon and the Winter Soldier after the trailer came out and the best angle they take from episode two is like the end of episode one he has the suit on. I'm like I want to hate this guy. And then they start the beginning of episode two and you're like he's not a bad human being, right, like he's not a horrible person, like now I feel like I, like I don't I want to hate you so bad, but I don't necessarily have a reason to hate you too too much right now. So I want to see more from him. I know he's probably going to try to be the leader of that team. I think that's going to make a great dichotomy between him and who the real leader of that team is going to be. It's probably going to be elena, so yeah, and he said yeah.
Speaker 1:He said that that he thinks people are gonna love him in this, which is fun yeah, um, listen, for a movie like this and captain america 4, action needs to be tight. Um, like I said, if you're gonna do this, obviously you're gonna have some, absolutely you're. You're dealing with a living celestial being that's built into the planet, and in the other one, you're dealing with a man that's made out of a billion exploding suns. There's going to be some CGI in these movies, but you have to ground some of the action as best you can. You've got to make sure these performances are dialed in as well too, and you've got to make sure we care about these characters. That's the number one thing, especially for Thunderbolts Avengers. That's why there's an actress. I think it's going to lead straight from Captain America 4. I think that Sam's going to fail at the end, and then that's going to be the mission that they go on. Like I said, it's the giant-sized X-Men thing where all the X-Men get captured Go save the team. Here's your new corporate-led Avengers.
Speaker 2:That's going to happen.
Speaker 1:We found out that Allegra whatever her name is Julie Louis-Dreyfus. Right, she bought Avengers Tower, which makes a lot of sense to me. She's the new Fury. This is a twisted version of what the Avengers are. Hold that thought.
Speaker 2:Because we will revisit that point at the end of this when we get to the last thing, because what we thought the last thing was was not indeed the last thing, but the next thing. Fantastic Four stuff, I'm in, yeah.
Speaker 1:Can I cook for a second man man? At Hall H they showed this. Essentially, the cast got together three weeks ago. Matt Shackman got them all together on a sound stage. It appeared to be, and it looks like some of the stuff was practical, though, like it looks like pieces of the set were like were built. So again, we always sing to the mountains that it's not about what you do, it's about the personnel you have to execute the thing that you do, and I think shackman's dialed on this. I think he is absolutely like no, no, no, nobody else is touching the flake. This will be my Fantastic Four through and through. Whatever movie they get out of the MCU, it's going to be a Matt Shackman directed.
Speaker 1:And man, this is my apology to Pedro Pascal. I said on here I was like I don't know, I don't know the second. He was in that science class and he says you guys want to see an explosion. I was like, yeah, that's exactly that's Reed Richards, that's Reed Richards to the end of the day. I hope all the nerds also learn that, that it's not always about looks. It's just not my big one, for that is. I can give you a whole bunch Like we want to talk about looks, then why is nobody mad about Vigilante from Peacemaker? He doesn't look like he does in the comics. He looks nothing like him, so I don't know why now everybody's mad. I mean Right.
Speaker 2:You know why, right, but yeah, I totally agree, I'm all the way in.
Speaker 1:Just the way that this cast talks about this movie. Yeah, yeah, you could really tell they're like and you know how. You know who I knew it from. I knew it from evan. I knew when he was just like this is something very different than what you've seen out of. Like. It feels like they made like a film like I. That's the. That's what I got from this. It feels like a film was made out of this and not like, uh, that jakino score too like jakino is confirmed, obviously doing the score um, which is obviously great.
Speaker 2:He's gonna he's one of the best going right now. Right um, new new title, right um, it's gonna be fantastic for the first steps. Yeah, and we learned, you know small minor.
Speaker 1:You know it's larry like overarching touchstones of the plot. Nothing detailed, but more of like a it's supposed to be. Like a it's supposed to be. You know it's supposed to be kind of an homage to the space race. That's what this movie is about. It's set in a future, alternate, futuristic New York city, where that that, I think, is maybe the most important detail.
Speaker 1:Vanessa Kirby said they all got together and they watched Apollo 13. Like you know, this movie is like they're trying to. I don't think obviously that's not going to be where they get to. And like, once we start the movie, like whatever they just showed in that piece, if they decide to actually shoot that stuff, like that'll be like I think one of the theories, like that's like a you know how, like the propaganda films, like it'll be a propaganda film for the Fantastic Four, yeah.
Speaker 2:And you know that that point about the, the setting, I think is super important, especially as it relates to the what we're about to talk about in a few minutes, in that we thought that this movie would just be set probably in an alternate universe, but in the 60s, right like the actual 60s. But what this is actually doing is it's this retro futurism 60s, but it's the future. Technology is obviously more advanced than it was in the 60s. Whatever this alternate universe is that this movie is taking place in is vastly different than the mainline Marvel universe. We'll talk about the other thing in a second, because I do want to keep talking about the Fantastic Four, but I think that's a really interesting thing and something that I wasn't really expecting.
Speaker 1:No, no, I mean for it to be like a totally different thing like I said, and I I think this is going to be the most important point that I keep going to like, obviously this cast is great, um, but I, like I said, I think shackman's like absolutely locked, like he's locked in and he knows he's like, and remember, in the WandaVision days too, like remember the remember the absolute like draw that that show had when it was coming out, like he might be able to pull something like that off again, for you know even more famous characters, like if he's able to do something like that. But I said, like one of the most important things, this feels there's something that feels real about this, like there's I I've never seen something like that out of the mcu before. I've never seen something like that.
Speaker 1:Obviously it was shot in an iphone and we didn't see the actual footage, but just like just the character, but like man when he's walking with sue and he's just like family dinner every every sunday at 8 pm. We were trying to make sure with'm like holy, what are we? Just? Like the Apollo 13 16mm film that they were doing Kind of chronicling them, when Ben and Reed are the best pilot I know he's best looking, he's just like I guess Three weeks together and they're already. They already feel like we might be on to something.
Speaker 2:I mean, if you've seen any of the clips at a comic con of Vanessa Kirby and Pedro Pascal, like they are just like they should just get married, like holy moly, like there is chemistry, like just off the absolute charts, which I mean that's always been his gift as an actor, this incredible, you know, and like we talked about it last week, like just the amount of stuff, high-level stuff, that he's done and the freaking guy does not stop, like he is out promoting everything he's in. I made the joke that he's the actor that the Rock thinks he is Right, everybody loves him, loves him man.
Speaker 1:When he because obviously he got called out last during the Comic-Con panel for Fantastic Four that place erupted when he walked out there. Like they loved, like Spider-Man 3, they loved me, like they love that guy, and rightfully so. He's earned it, he's earned it and then some so, and we so he's earned it, he's earned it and then some so, and we got a little bit of galactus. Yes, yes, ralph einstein is galactus big head. What do you mean? He's not a space cloud? Ah, not my galactus, not my galactus big head. Yeah, kirby inspired good job. Yeah, I'm excited to see how he looks. Yeah, yeah, just on a grand scale too, I'll be boxes of celestial in this movie well, that's what I was thinking like.
Speaker 2:I just remember the eternals and I remember how freaking, freaking cool, eric should look. And I'm like if they could do something like that for Galactus, that would be wild Right.
Speaker 1:Um what? Any predictions for this movie, any plot details? You think they're going to hit anything? Obviously there's one big one. Yeah, I was going to say that's probably the biggest one.
Speaker 2:But um no, I mean, I no man, I think, obviously I think there is going to be something to this idea that now I think what we're getting is we're going to centralize the next thing onto these. I think this universe the Fantastic Four universe and the main MCU universe are going to be our two point of view universes.
Speaker 1:I'm going to add one for you and then 10-0-0-0-5. Those three points will be the three focal points of whatever conflict we get to.
Speaker 2:Speaking of which, yeah, man. And then so you think, like they do the Fantastic Four thing, they show the footage. The big car comes in, yeah, and you're like great, the score's swelling. You're like wow, yeah, awesome. Yeah, and you're like the score is swelling. You're like wow, yeah, awesome. Like great job. Marvel like knocked it out of the park great great freaking.
Speaker 1:Oh shoot, there's avengers movies we got to talk about yeah, and kevin foggy's like one.
Speaker 2:He's just a jackie chan, jackie chan's uncle from. One more thing um, um, yeah, jesus christ, I just, I can't believe it. So, first and foremost, he's like hey, all right, two new avengers not new avengers movies, avengers movies, but we're redoing the first one. Kang Dynasty is dead.
Speaker 1:Not only is he dead. Jonathan Majors is dead to us. He didn't say that he wanted to.
Speaker 2:So, before I do anything about that, ladies and gentlemen, the Russo brothers are back, which we knew, I think Hollywood Reporter reported that last week that they were in talks to return for the next two Avengers. I think at first it was just Avengers 5. I think I thought we knew it was both. Maybe you might be right. So the Russo brothers are back. Jeff Budness is back, one of the scribes of Infinity War Endgame.
Speaker 1:Sylvester is. They're bringing the boys back.
Speaker 2:They're bringing the boys back, you know, to do the Avengers, which I mean I can't complain about that Right right the Russo brothers have done. You know their ability to handle.
Speaker 1:They've done the good ones 20 plus A-list actors in the same sets.
Speaker 2:Even going back to Winter Soldier Civil War, all that they have the best resume in the MCU.
Speaker 1:Ryan Coogler is the only one that's close. Sorry. James Gunn is second, and then Ryan Coogler. The only reason Ryan Coogler is not above is because he doesn't have more movies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so the Russos are back. And then, and then, and then, and then they said Avengers 5 no longer the Kang Dynasty, it is now Avengers Doomsday. Huh, big no longer the Kang Dynasty, it is now Avengers Doomsday.
Speaker 1:Huh, big green font, avengers, doomsday. Somewhere, jonathan Majors is punching air.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man so big green font.
Speaker 1:Doomsday. Yeah, a whole bunch of Doctor Dooms walk out.
Speaker 2:And you're like I wonder if Doctor Doom is going to be in this One.
Speaker 1:Doctor Doom was shorter than all the other Doctor Dooms and he had a different suit on. He was shorter than all the other Dr Dooms and he had a different suit on. He did have a different suit on. That must be a character actor under that mask. Yeah, who is it? Who's in the mask? Is it Jared Leto? You saw that video. That guy's cute.
Speaker 2:Jared Leto Arrest that man, arrest that man.
Speaker 1:Jared Leto and that man are unspoken. So our pal, our pal dr doom, gets up stage, he rips his helmet off and it's robert johnny jr so for context, because I want you to talk about like the instant reaction you had, and then I want to talk about like an outside looking in perspective yeah, so they said react.
Speaker 2:I mean, obviously the instant reaction I had was like this is insane. Um, because you were like reacting to it live right yeah, I was, yeah, yeah, I was kind of just scrolling Twitter because I was excited to see the Marvel panel and then I kind of checked out after the Fantastic Four stuff because I was like, surely that was it.
Speaker 1:Like what new news were we going to get from?
Speaker 2:the.
Speaker 1:Avengers Because I had a feeling they were going to talk about it.
Speaker 2:So I refreshed it one more time and they're like the Russo brothers are back. I refresh it one more time and they're like the russo brothers are back. I'm like, oh, that's probably the big one, right? Um, and then I refreshed again and I saw, and then this flood of of downing. You know, I was the. The moment he rips the mask off, he does the. Look at me, I'm, I'm the, he does the iron man one with the jericho missile pose. Um, I obviously hot chatted that to you and I was like what the hell? And and your first message back to me was like I hate, this is what you said to me.
Speaker 1:I think that that's very true. So, from so, here's my perspective on the whole situation. So I was out, I wasn't home when this happened, and I just remember I checked my phone and it had to have been like 20 minutes ish, yeah, after this thing happened, yeah, and I had received texts, uh, twitter, and I was like did somebody just die? Why is everybody? And all I see is doom, doom, doom, and I'm like what's? What's happening? What's?
Speaker 2:going on. What is doom?
Speaker 1:and then I see rdj. I survived the doom my house survived the doom, robert downey jr to survive the doom. And then I looked and I said I saw the picture of him on stage and I was like, is this photoshopped? Like what's going on? It's so. Did you see Anthony Russo's face? He did the beast from oh dear, oh dear. He's like I have to do this for another five years.
Speaker 2:I mean this is one of the most momentous occasions in comic book movie history.
Speaker 1:Right, I mean you're talking about the biggest cinematic universe in film history. The main character of this thing, the main hero of this thing, is now becoming the main villain of this. Excuse me, that's just unheard of. That's just insane.
Speaker 2:It's such a. I mean it's a. It's a such a swing. It's such a swing to do this. I mean there's going to be a documentary released 20 years from now that details about the, about the mcu.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh my, that thing might be one of the most watched documentaries in history and then I mean this, and then just this moment in particular is just so, I mean, it's just, it's so unexpected, it's just like I mean we've talked for how long about doom casting. Doom casting on this, on this podcast, people have, you know, thrown every name under the sun for I don't think I mean so full transparency. We went to see wolverine and deadpool and you know, that night we got out of there and I just, we were just, you know, we were just shooting the shit and we were just and I was just like, what do you make of this robert downey jr's doom rumor that just started circulating? Yeah, yeah, and we both like agreed, we were both like no shot right.
Speaker 1:And then the next day, I'd never been so humbled in a day. It's like because how would you? How? So I mean? And you, you unfortunately talked to me off the ledge, you, you got me back into thinking, like you know, and then I, I added my cynical nature of like. At the end of the day, this is business, right, like for them, this is a. That was a business decision because, yes, did hear hall 8. You could have heard hall h from across the country when he took that mask off, and that's exactly what you know. The bob igers of the world wanted, like, get butts in seats. That's all I care about, just get people to watch the freaking movie, and we'll figure it out later. Right, we'll figure all that stuff out later. And we got to hope that, you, that we have the Russos back, we have Jeff Loveness back and now we have our baby boy back. We can figure this out.
Speaker 2:And one of the things I told you just from a personal approach for Downey is I think there's a little personal skin in the game for him. Sure, $80 million worth of personal skin, but he has the opportunity to do something completely unprecedented Worth of personal skin, but he has the opportunity to do something completely unprecedented. Right, he was already arguably you can split hairs with saying, but it's arguably the best comic book casting in history. Sure.
Speaker 1:And it's Tony Stark.
Speaker 2:Now you have the opportunity for him to do that as a hero and a villain, and I said this to you. I said I think if he doesn't win the Oscar for Oppenheimer, this probably doesn't happen.
Speaker 1:No, no shot Because I think he's still probably chasing that he's gone. He's right, he's like I'm a high cinema actor.
Speaker 2:At this point I didn't get my Oscar. I'm going to keep pursuing that, but now that he got the Oscar, he's like I'm going to go have some fun.
Speaker 1:Tell him to bring me.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to be Tony Stark. I'm going to try a different thing, and I mean the quality of actor that he is.
Speaker 1:it could work, it could work and that's what you sold me on. You're not seeing the potential. You're seeing the downfall of what could be or what you think will be, instead of the possibility of what could be and what could be. Is you solve your villain problem right there? Be and what could be is you? You solve your villain problem right there. Essentially, not only do you get the most important, one of the most, if not the most important marvel comics villain and a live action against the avengers, you get the one of the biggest actors on the planet to play him.
Speaker 2:That already is familiar with the director's, already familiar with this universe yeah, I think was it downy that said that he wouldn't have done it.
Speaker 1:Yeah he said that was a non-negotiable for them. And listen talking plot. And this is the Fantastic Four elephant in the room. I think this doom is from that universe.
Speaker 1:I think that doom is, and I think rightfully so, and I thought about it and I'm like, man, what person would be a perfect counter if you're going to do this, robert Downey Jr? It would be Pedro Pascal's Mr Fantastic. There's this absolutely lightning store of charisma that's going to, you know, have to counter that, I think, the perfect I. I just see them with scenes together of like like the the smart, the smart measuring contest. Like, like we're going to figure out who's the smartest man alive. Like I that I'm chomping at the bits of the confirmation we got the thunderbolts and the fantastic four will be in both these avengers movies, which is that's huge. Oh, they said everybody that you saw in the three panels before. All of them are going to be in the in these avengers movies. So now there's and this is probably the fantastic four might figure out my problem that I have with the mcu.
Speaker 1:But again, of the characters that are in the main, 616, there's still, again, this is my big issue I there's no main character. Still, there's still not somebody that's like, because and that's the beauty of what Robert Downey Jr, chris Evans and you know, and Chris Hemsworth were doing, especially Robert Downey Jr, like when he came face-to-face with Thanos in Infinity War. Like those were the two main characters, you knew it. Like those are the perfect opposing forces. I don't care physical ability, anything like that. I just fear that you know one side's coming in with a kill shot on the Doom Men and there's just nobody that's like not like ability-wise I'm talking about actor. Like there's nobody that's like countering the point and, like I said, they're probably superseding Pedro Pascal to be the one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and most likely Tom Holland, as well, right, exactly, we didn't even talk about that yet. That's what I thought too. They're going to make sure that Tom Holland turns in. You thinking what I'm thinking. I'm thinking Doom kills Tom Holland in whatever subsequent movie. You're just going to need to make sure you get Miles Morales ready to go. That's what I think they're trying to do.
Speaker 2:That's a great idea you kill him in Secret Wars.
Speaker 1:Let him get the symbiote too. Let him get the symbiote, let him get killed. And then, by the time, all new, all different, whatever 2030s, the mutant saga what I'm assuming they're going to try to do and the Fantastic Four are probably going to be in the main 616, you're going to have the new look x-men and you know you're going to have mackie's avengers, like that's how you should do it. And then you know tom holland, spider-man, the sony verse like kill him.
Speaker 2:And now it's miles morales kill him. Um, yeah, I mean I I think there's, you know, using using downy as as doom like just opens up. It opens up a ton of storytelling potential with the other characters in the universe and I think it was Variety said he is playing Victor Von Doom, he's not playing Tony Stark, joe.
Speaker 1:Russo said it. Anthony said there's no other man that can play Victor Von Doom. He didn't say Doctor Doom, he said Victor Von Doom. So it is him. It is Victor Von Doom he's playing and we're going to talk about it in a second when we talk about Deadpool and Wolverine. Like the multiverse has the potential for two different people to be acknowledged as looking the same in two different universes, yeah, we'll talk about it.
Speaker 2:You made a great point about it. It officially canonizes it. It canonizes this concept that someone can look like someone else but be a totally different person, right? Um, I think it's. I mean, it's like I said, I just couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1:Like, and you know, downey, the tagline that that downey is is is trademarking his new mask, same task so and that's the thing, like, and again, I think they're gonna play out like I envision a suit of armor around the world. Doom's suit of armor, unfortunately, is more not like we will, it's not like we can, it's a no, we will. Like we will, I will save the multiverse myself, and that's what I think. This whole thing, and you know it's going to be a perfect, you know villain arc for him. Like this is what you get for trying to play god. That's exactly what doom tries to do. I'm going to play god this time and I'm gonna win.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna win this time yeah, and I think you know, I think they're gonna obviously pull from a lot of different inspos for for this portrayal of doom, but I think the one that you know, obviously it's, it's, it's, it's a, it's a very well-known panel, but I think it's one that is incredibly mcu and it's the one of Doom confronting Thanos. I think you want to do a Tony Stark Robert Downey Jr mirror have Doom face off with the Thanos of that Fantastic Four universe and do the panel where he vaporizes Thanos.
Speaker 1:And murders him right there in cold blood and says you know you're nothing and Thanos had the gauntlet too blood. And says you know this is you thought you were power. You're not. You're nothing and Thanos had the gauntlet too. It's like you're nothing compared to the power that I have.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's. I think that that's a you know, and obviously he's going to be probably a post-credit scene of Fantastic Four. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:They're going to, they're going to bake that in. That's going to get a pop and, like I said, just keep it simple. Like he is, that universe is already, or rdj he's that universe is victor von doom. By the time you get, if you get post secret wars, like you could give us a new dr doom, by that time you can give us a new doctor. We're gonna get new wolverine. We're gonna get new x-men, like he's gone, like this is the main 616, victor von doom, that's been operating in the shadows yeah, and I mean you know, obviously that was all dr doom focus.
Speaker 2:But the other avengers movie, obviously secret wars, was confirmed as the other avengers movie right um which I no shot.
Speaker 1:They don't split that into two parts. I still think that's likely. There's no, I don't if you had to split infinity war and endgame into two parts. There's no earthly way that you can't split these into two parts unless you, unless you retroactively, unless doomsday acts as secret wars. Part one which, well, and you know this is. I just feel like there's an, there's a movie missing, because what's the plot?
Speaker 2:we know what the plot of secret wars is, but what is the plot of avengers?
Speaker 1:it's time it's it's hickman's time runs out. That's exactly what it's going to be like and we have to we got to to talk about Deadpool in a second, because all this stuff, I think, is leading up to what's about to happen, like the collapse of the multiverse is about to start happening. Because Doomsday to me just the title the marketing reads I just thought of an insane theory.
Speaker 2:It just reads like how Infinity War was. Thanos was the main character of Infinity War. Doomsday is going to be. Doom is the main character of that movie. Right, going up against something you know is is because I think that's what. That's. What get lost is how do you, how do you go from fantastic four, etc, etc. To avengers, doomsday, like it. You're right. You're right in the sense that it does feel like there's a movie missing yeah, and again it's the movie.
Speaker 1:The movie missing, in my opinion, is the we need need to put the Avengers back together. The Avengers are still not back together. I know what they're going to try to do. Like I said, I think the Thunderbolts the tagline right before the movie starts it's going to switch to the Dark Avengers. That's what they're going to do. But again, I don't know what Anthony Mackie did to anybody. Obviously he's getting his movie, but, like you, there's Avengers floating around everywhere. Just focus. Like I said, there's something that's missing in between Captain America 4, slash, the Thunderbolts and Doomsday. There's one Avengers movie missing in there.
Speaker 1:We could have had it with what I thought they should have done, and that's they should have kept the Skrull invasion for the movie. Anthony Mackie gets this team of Avengers to deal with a threat. Like he gets his. What? Let's just say he gets ten Avengers. You get She-Hulk, ant-man and the Wasp are around. You bring Tom Holland back. Like whoever you pick for the team, half of them are Skrulls right out of the bat and he's like oh, shoot. Like I really like this is my first debut as the leader of the Avengers and like I can't figure this out. Like this is the worst case scenario. I don't know who's who. You kill one of them on. Act Like that could have played for a great way to introduce this new Avengers team into the MCU and add genuine fear Like Age of Ultron does that pretty well, but then they deal with it.
Speaker 2:Like this could be something where like this pushes for a little bit.
Speaker 1:And I mean with that announcement, it eulogizes.
Speaker 2:Kang the Conqueror in the MCU. That's it, I will remember you. Yeah, I mean you know all the Jonathan Major stuff aside. Something about that character never got off the ground ultimately.
Speaker 1:It's funny. I'll even go further to the point. I agree and disagree. It's just where it got off. The ground is unfortunately had to have been in a TV show, which we learned the hard way sitting there in Deadpool and Wolverine, that people don't watch TV a lot of the times.
Speaker 2:Not as much as we think and you know we were hoping that they would be able to confront this idea that they put him in Quantumania and he loses. We thought they would be able to rectify that and do something with that, but was that the smartest?
Speaker 2:decision that that movie made retroactively yeah, he did lose Kang was dealt with yeah, and then Loki season 2 doubles down on that and you know they kind of have that throwaway line about like yeah, there's other Kang variants running around, but we're keeping an eye on it, we're monitoring, because we said, like you, the, the original plan, I think, was obviously kang dynasty, like that's when they were going to reform the avengers, and then it's going to be like, oh, like, obviously scott's going to be the one.
Speaker 1:Like you guys do not understand what we're, what we're about to face, like we, and then loki as well. Loki comes back, for he's like no, yeah, yeah, he's right.
Speaker 2:Like which brings me to the point about Downey again. You have now this very interesting marriage of now. You have Hiddleston and Downey and their roles are flipped, and I think that's incredibly compelling, right.
Speaker 1:And we've been speaking about it for almost a year now. It seems like of like. There's your main character, it's Loki. Loki's your main character. The man at the end of time Right.
Speaker 1:Who oversees the multiverse right? And I wish people watch tv more, because I can't say enough of how incredible, I think, like, how different, like it's. It's like set apart from all the other tv, like it shouldn't even count with the rest of the tv shows, how good it looks, how how great that that storytelling is, up until that the very end of that show, it's just all. It's so poetic and so well done. That's your main character, that that's who it is.
Speaker 2:Loki being this kind of you know, harbinger of, of Dr Doom, I think would be very interesting with him, like coming to probably his brother. I would imagine would be the first person he would see and be like there's entity, this person, he's not even an entity, he's a man.
Speaker 1:He's a man from another universe who is coming to destroy everything, right and then. But the. But the big twist, you learn is no, he just saved the entire multiverse. Yeah, like by the time everybody gets the battle world's like thank you. Now you guys can all kneel at my feet like I.
Speaker 2:I saved every single last one of you guys so, yeah, I mean, all in all, just to put a bow on the Robert Downey thing. It's a massive risk, it's a massive swing. I completely understand all the criticisms that come with it. It reeks of desperation, it reeks of all this stuff, but at the end of the day I think it can absolutely work. I think he's obviously one of the most gifted actors in Hollywood. I mean, money aside, I don't think he would have returned to this in this role if he didn't have some sort of you know mission to to to, to execute with it.
Speaker 1:Maybe an episode we cook up is just talking about this, of like theorizing what you know cause this opens up a bag of just right tons of stuff right, because this is essentially these could be the last two avengers movies.
Speaker 1:Like, yeah, genuinely speaking. Like because, whatever in the future, if they decide, because what we thought walking out of deadpool and wolverine was we thought that avengers 5 was going to be avengers versus x-men and that would have been a better way to lead up into sea for wars before we knew about this downy stuff. Like we were like, yeah, what a better way. Like put uh, 10 0 0 5 against 6 1 6, and like the universes are collapsing. Like just like hickman's comics.
Speaker 1:Like yeah these two universes that we loved all of our childhoods and all of our lives, finally battling out for the last piece. And then who walks out at the end? But doom to save whoever he wants to put in the battle world, yep, but no, robert downey jr just had to play dr doom.
Speaker 2:New mask same task that's, that's gonna be someone's putting on a t-shirt somewhere. That's hard, that's kind of hard, it's kind of hard. Leave it to rdj to come up with something like that. Um, you know, and he also said you know, you know, I love, I love playing compelling characters. So, look, at the end of the day, whatever side you fall on, this Robert Downey thing you're going to watch. There's no way you're going to skip out on it. So, yeah, man, that's Comic-Con in a nutshell.
Speaker 2:Speaking of Deadpool and Wolverine, you can obviously stop this episode now and you can listen to part two, which is incoming, which we're about to do. So you can follow us on Twitter at Project INF underscore pod. You can follow us on Facebook. You can follow us on Instagram At the Project Infinite Pod. And, yeah, stay tuned for part two of this weekly podcast. This was the Comic-Con portion, so jump on over to the deadpool and wolverine part two review. Thank you, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not gonna do a full outro. I'm saving that because this is technically not at the end of the episode. So, uh, we'll see you for part two. Oh, we did an infinity war end game yeah, look at us did we just lose?
Speaker 2:did we just lose? Did we just review? All right, guys, we'll see you for devil and wolverine. Goodbye, peace.
