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129 - Unpacking "House of the Dragon" Season Two: Key Moments and Character Arcs with a SPECIAL GUEST
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It’s time to talk Thrones! With House of the Dragon Season 2 now behind us, we take the opportunity to break down all the moments from the finale and our favorite moments from the entire season. AND, for the first time in Project Infinite history, we have a 3rd person! Join us on the Project Infinite Podcast as we unpack the conclusion of "House of the Dragon" Season Two! With our special guest, our friend Emily, a passionate Game of Thrones enthusiast, we dig into the nuances of war strategizing, character arcs, and the intricate setups for the much-anticipated next season. Did you wonder about Daemon's prophetic visions or Criston Cole's sobering monologue about the futility of war? We promise you'll come away with a deeper understanding of these pivotal moments and more. Timecodes are provided if you want to skip around to your topic of choice! Thank you to everyone who continues to support and don’t forget to subscribe to download new episodes as they become available and don’t be afraid to share a rating!
0:00 Intro
02:21 House of the Dragon Season 2 Finale!
29:35 Spending Time with the Greens
54:29 The Rightful Heir, Rhaenyra Targaryen and Her Side
01:11:49 Daemon Targaryen and the Haunting of Harrenhal
01:23:12 Memorializing The Queen That Never Was
01:26:49 Season 3 Predictions & Awards!
01:42:00 Signing Off For 3 People is HARD Feat. Locked Door Shenanigans
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Speaker 2:Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of the Project Infinite podcast, the podcast covering the infinite and ever-expanding multiverse of fandom, from movies, comics, tv shows, video games. We got you covered. I'm Rob. I'm here, as always with Court, but also we're doing a House of the Dragon episode Only a House of the Dragon episode. We're skipping all the news and we promised that we had a surprise, and we do have a surprise. We have for the first time in how many of these have we done? I think 130 plus 130, some odd of just us.
Speaker 1:We finally have Matt Smith. No, he was busy, he was busy, I called him personally we tried, we tried.
Speaker 3:But the next best thing who's?
Speaker 2:that we got a voice. Another third voice has entered the chat. Yes, we do have a guest this week, you know, unknown to everybody besides us Right. But it's still a special guest. So we are bringing on our friend Emily.
Speaker 1:Our resident Game of Thrones fan.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's why, you're here, right Say hi.
Speaker 3:Thank you Happy to be here. Yes, that's why you're here, right, say hi, thank you Happy to be here.
Speaker 2:Good, happy to be here. Yeah, so you are a self-professed lover of Game of Thrones? Yep, all things Game of Thrones, yep. So we figured what better way to celebrate the end of season two of House of the Dragon than to bring our friend on here, and we could just kind of chop it up about season two of House of the Dragon, which premiered eight weeks ago? Yep, because there were eight episodes. That's how time works, yep. Usually.
Speaker 1:Not to Damon, though.
Speaker 2:Oh man, I can't wait A lot of Damon talk on this episode. But yeah, I guess we could just start there. We had the finale of House of the Dragon last night. I'll kick it to you first. What did you think of the dragon last night? Um, I'll kick it to you first. What did you think of the family?
Speaker 3:I thought it was great. I think it set us up well for season three and I think everyone's storyline kind of what we were talking about it kind of ended on a good note, especially the damien one. But I know we'll get into that but I loved it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think I agree. Um, obviously, I think I saw this is like the second worst rated episode of Game of Thrones ever.
Speaker 1:It's like a 6.8 on IMDb.
Speaker 2:And I don't know what people wanted or expected. I mean, I know what people wanted and expected. They wanted.
Speaker 3:More action than Exactly yes.
Speaker 2:But it just feels like it does feel like we're kind of revisiting the end of season one, a little bit Like next season's gonna be the big war season. And it didn't turn out to be that. It turned out to be a lot of war strategizing and a lot of war set up, aside from episode four, which is the rooks rest battle. But, um, you know, to your point, I think everything that this season set up got resolved in this finale and I think ultimately I me personally I think that's what you want out of a finale, right.
Speaker 1:I mean it's a good point. I mean you talk finality out of a finale. It's, you know, it seems a little bit. It seems almost like too easy to think about it that way, like something needs to happen. There needs to be like this big boom of something like I'm all for the politic and I'm all for the setup, it's fine. Like if season three pays off for it, then you're fine. It's storytelling 101. If you can shoot the gun and have it fire, then you're fine. So as long as season three pays off the whole thing and I'm a little bit less on this finale than the two of you guys, and I'll get into why but I still think it's solid. I mean it looks good. Everybody still brings their A game. There's nothing for me to hate out of this. There's a performance in here that I wasn't expecting, in this episode too, which I really want to get into. So it's still solid. I think it still serves the purpose you need it to.
Speaker 2:There were quite a few scenes and performances where I was just like this is as good as you can get.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:The Damon and Rhaenyra scene when they reunited in Harrenhal. The Rhaenyra-Alicent scene at the end of the episode she went back was really well done and the kristen cole monologue was also really, really good.
Speaker 1:Yep, um, and then even like the, the aim and helena, like they had a lot of good pairings in this right in this finale and it's pairings that you know, outside of the renear and allison, I mean, for a prolonged period of time we don't see.
Speaker 1:These pairings like these are ones that like I think they pick and chose for a finale to be like to my point, like it doesn't need to end in a big boom, it needs to end with thought. And you know, the thought of war and I mean we can just start with that Kristen Cole monologue because it kind of, you know, it kind of props up with the whole theme of this whole season was, and it's just like we're actually dealing with nuclear weapons in the sky, like there's what are we to? Anything Like we were fighting this war for what? Like we might. And you know, by the time you get to Game of Thrones, it's kind of true Like the entire Targaryen bloodline is all but demolished by this point yeah, which is another thing that we could talk about when we talk about the daemon stuff.
Speaker 2:But yeah, this was something that was kind of hinted at with chris and cole after the rook's rest episode, where he was kind of like like there's obviously that that image of him kind of grabbing one of his soldiers and he turns him around and the guy just turns to dust, like he's just a skeleton, like that's.
Speaker 2:It felt like I wasn't sure if they were going to go that route with him, where he was like truly haunted by what he saw. And because he doesn't he, and because he pulls back a little bit after that Rook's Rest thing and you don't really get inside his head, until this monologue where he just basically is like Gwaine confronts him about you've been sleeping with my sister and Kristen Cole's like it doesn't matter, it truly doesn't matter anymore, he's like I did but we're all dead yeah we're all going to die.
Speaker 2:So where do you fall on Chris and Cole, besides hating his guts?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean I'm glad you know, at least he knows that he sucks. But yeah, I mean I agree and I think him just seeing the dragons over top of them, all that going on it's like nothing even mattered on the ground, like they were gone, all those men in, like seconds you know like burned, so you know.
Speaker 1:I mean it's to my point of like nuclear weapons sitting in the sky, like what does matter, like that's why episode four is so good, because episode four doesn't start with the like you know this booming battle. Because we knew, like episode three, the you know the prelude to episode four, like the little teaser that we always get after the episodes, like we were like all right, we're gonna get a full episode. Like much like the acolyte episode four, was it? Or five, um, where you have a full episode of just this is fight. We're fighting for a whole episode. Like I like the way you start four because it's like we're gonna get you there, don't worry.
Speaker 1:But like we have to politic a little bit. So to your point, kristen cole's, at this level-headed mindset of like I've been, you know I've had to go by honor, I'd have to go by you know, nobility because I was told to, and like I finally get to think freely and my free think is that we are, you know we're insurmountable to anything. Like they always talk about the gods of, you know the seven kingdoms. Like we're nothing, like we, we, why are we even fighting this war? Like one day one of them can just swoop down and murder us and the smallest dragon can do this to us. Like what are we in this whole thing? I love that. I think that bit is so good and, you know, hats off to the Kristen Cole actor as well. I think that was.
Speaker 2:Who's taking a lot of shit this season. Yeah, he's been Just so yeah, I mean, you know everyone says it's usually a good you know, proxy that you're, that you're good at your job when you're getting hate, but also chill out the show really game of thrones and the show usually do a good job about that of like the actors always get the hate.
Speaker 2:I'm like they didn't do anything yeah, these are just normal people so um, but no, that's a great point and that was always. You know we'll talk about. Obviously we'll dive into the raniera stuff later, but that was always her reservation. Like you know, once I deploy the dragons, like it's on, like there's no going back, like I understand, like amon's flying around, but like once I mobilize, like my guys, it's it's full on, especially after you know she does what she does later in the season where she commissions more dragon riders so like she realizes the scale of the war, and you know, I love the desperation of that too.
Speaker 1:It's such like a. I love the idea of like in war movies where, like, you have your plan and that plan gets thrown out. So I thought it was a small little thing but I thought it plays well.
Speaker 1:So risky though, Having those two riders where you don't know where their loyalty is gonna go. I mean, it shows you where rainier is, it shows you where she's at in this whole thing and it goes to damon's point like, or to out to her council's point like she's gone, like she's she's so far off the cliff that I don't know if they can bring her back. And I think they're gonna play on that with damon and I think it's so great of you know, of everybody not liking the aaron hall stuff. I think that was the whole point. Like, by the time he got back, both their mindsets essentially flipped, like the way that they were kind of they kind of swapped places of where they were yeah, but also too, with all with now those two new riders.
Speaker 3:Are there any dragons left besides the little babies that are just riderless?
Speaker 2:there like what if all?
Speaker 3:these dragons die, which? Which I guess you can see that's probably going to happen.
Speaker 2:The presumption based on the finale is that Reyna is going to claim the dragon in the veil.
Speaker 3:That's going to go to war, I would imagine.
Speaker 2:That appears to be happening, and then the only other dragon that we see briefly enter the fold is Daeron. Daeron Targaryen who is? Aegon and amon's younger brother. We see him. We see his dragon at the end, um, flying with the hightower army right.
Speaker 3:So I think all the dragons now are officially in play which is wild to me, you know, because they can all potentially just die and then you're left with no dragon right yeah, that's such an interesting point to that whole monologue from kristen cole because, like, then what happens if all of them leave?
Speaker 1:And I think this that's why it plays for Game of Thrones so well. Like this show is such a good prequel, cause sometimes prequels won't play on things like they'll admittedly not play, like it's such a or prequels will go too deep to make sure this makes sense. Like I liked a little. Maybe I'm throwing point out for the, for the visions that happen later, because they just directly do it, but yeah, I like this little, I like, yeah, I like this little ambiguity they're playing on for that, like we know, you know, outside looking, or inside looking out, like they're all gonna die, like we all know all these dragons are gonna die, but we don't know how.
Speaker 2:that's the beauty of this whole thing or the horror of this whole thing yep, yep, and I mean we can jump right into that, because that was probably the second most impactful thing.
Speaker 2:That happened in this finale was, uh, the, basically the resolution of damon's arc in harrenhal, where he you know alice rivers goes to him and she's like you weren't ready when you first got here to see the totality of, like, your future, but you're ready now. And damon's like I am ready now. Six episodes of this, I'm ready, I've mastered the spookiness of Harrenhal. Show me the future. And she does, and he gets a speed run of eight seasons of Game of Thrones Show to him.
Speaker 1:Remember in that episode of the Flash where Cisco sped up Game of Thrones for Barry? That's exactly what he got. He just got eight seasons of a whole show in like 30 seconds. It was great.
Speaker 2:So what does he see here? He sees Brandon Rivers, who Game of Thrones fans will know as the Three-Eyed Raven. He ends up seeing him. He sees not the Night King, contrary to popular belief. He sees a White Walker with the Army of the Dead behind him. I don't know if it was supposed to be the Night King. I don't think it was.
Speaker 3:I thought that at first I'm like what's happening?
Speaker 2:Not my Night.
Speaker 1:King, not my Night King.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we got a White Walker, we got the Army of the Dead, and then, I mean, the big reveal is that he sees Daenerys Targaryen giving birth not giving birth to, but metaphorically giving birth to her three dragons that we've seen earlier this season they got shipped off with Reyna to Essos and Daemon sees the full totality of the prophecy as he comes to understand it.
Speaker 3:And yeah, I mean yeah, more than Rhaenyra at this point, right, because he's actually seen it.
Speaker 2:He's officially seen it, this prophecy that his brother has passed to Rhaenyra, Rhaenyra to Jace, but Daemon has actually seen it materialize, which I was completely blindsided by. I think I texted you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was such a wow moment watching it. I didn't think they would do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I didn't think they would either. I was kind of curious. I mean, they did the in season one.
Speaker 2:The prophecy itself is basically like n nudge wink game of thrones, you know.
Speaker 2:But to actually see it and link, you know, because what happens after he sees daenerys, he sees rhaenyra on the iron throne, so that you know, basically to daemon means like our bloodline is gonna stop the long night from coming, and I mean it materializes that way kind of sort of. But obviously that's not damon's problem to worry about that um, and that's the moment he buys in and then you know, dovetailing off that he gets direct communication with helena, which was also kind of wild, but she kind of like says to him in so many words like you have the power, you know your role in this is to essentially end it, like. You know, like your role in this is to turn the tides of the war and get Rainier on the Iron Throne, and the way to do this is by killing Aemon and Vhagar, which is a sick setup, in my opinion. To to next season, which we'll probably see those two square off, like properly. But yeah, what do you make of the whole Helena? What do you make of Helena?
Speaker 3:I mean I loved seeing Helena in the episode. I feel like all season she's just been this background character and I think she's the sweetest and it's really cool just all season seeing the Dreamer and all that stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean she kind of sort of occupies the Bran role.
Speaker 2:That's a good like like from later character like from later seasons, like brand obviously adopts the three-eyed raven he can see past, present and future. Um, and so helena's kind of occupying that role and it was kind of cool to see her step out of the like. Uh, you know the, the riddles, like she was very riddly in like the first, you know season one and and earlier this season, where she kind of like throws out an off kilter line. You're like what is that supposed to mean?
Speaker 1:but in this episode she was like no, I'm actually gonna tell you exactly what's gonna happen it's the piece about, like you know her innocent nobility, like she is the, like you know the scale, like she's the goodest good you can get and and like I think Alison also understands that too.
Speaker 1:But I think Alison- had everybody everybody except even Eamon, understands that too, which I think is the whole point of what happens in the finale, where he, you know, basically tries to recruit her and said you know, get up, like go get your dragon, like it's time to fight, and she's just like you want to know how you die in a little bit. She's like, excuse me. So I mean that whole piece about you know her as a character this season it's heartbreaking. I think that's the point they want, like there can't be any good in a place like this. But I think she kind of usurps that in the fact of, like I, you know my truth, telling my truth.
Speaker 1:Sayerness from Dune is kind of taking the precedence here and understanding, like I am, I know more, and that's my doubtful that I know more. Like I, I will be probably killed for this at some point because I know more and it probably will come by the hands of amon at some point and I think she knows. But at this point I don't know why I keep thinking of in my head she's kind of gonna have fun with it a bit. She's like I'm gonna be weird and spooky this whole time well, she's gonna tell people what's going on.
Speaker 3:she told him like it. It's not going to change anything, Right, If you?
Speaker 1:you know and that's the worst type of fear is truth. I think that's the best part of her character. Like it's the truth that she's telling. Like you can't avoid what's about to happen. As much as you want me to go out there, as much as you want a gone dead, it does not matter. Like Damon is we him right?
Speaker 2:yeah, and I think she she understands also the cruelty of her brother. Yeah, it also selfishly kind of gives her a sense of um kind of awareness and selfless, like self-confidence it's what she needed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a good point to be able to tell amand of all people like I know how your story ends, regardless of what you do to me. Like, as powerful as you think you are, like, you're still at the mercy of the gods and you're still at the mercy of what your fate is to be Like, and I think she got some. Like you said, she's had a horrible horrible season. And I think it gave her a little bit of something to kind of throw that back at him and be like you know, you're not as in control as you think you are Right.
Speaker 1:And I mean let's flip from you, you know, one son of a royal to another son of the royal. We can talk about jace as well, because I think it's really interesting what they do with jace too, and I love how stubborn he is too, because our pouty king yeah, our pouty king, he's rex tyler from stargirl. Now he's just, he's angsty, he's just he's mad, and I mean from his perspective, understandably so, and like you also don't understand what he's been through this whole time too. I mean he was from his birth, like imagine you're looking at Aegon. I mean that's why season one is structured so well, because you see them every beat of their life. You don't like there's the time jumps, but you see those crucial points in that life, like he was less than Aegon and Aemond, like he was always less than the two of them too, and like he lost his brother, he lost his you know his fake father and his real father. He lost both of them. Like he is, he's been through everything and then to get to this point of maturity.
Speaker 1:It's such a good like you know, it is such a good coming of age story for him and I hope they kind of make sure they they finish it next season. Like it's this understanding that look he you. I don't you think he has aspirations to be the heir to this, because I keep getting the sense that he wants. He's like an inverted Aemon because he wants the. I don't know if he wants the glory, but I think he wants, like the understanding and it plays out later like I want that, like I matter, like you know what I mean, like I'm not just a bastard child, like I am heir to this throne, to be heir to the throne. I don't know if he actually wants it, but he wants like I'm somebody, like I'm, I have a name. Like I have the targaryen name, like I'm still.
Speaker 2:I still mean something to something yeah, I'm not sure if he longs for it so much as he is comfortable to assume it, should it?
Speaker 1:it's like the validation of the piece, like I want the validation that, like my last name matters and like it doesn't care matter where I came from. That's why he got so mad by the end of the season. Like his mom was kind of like pushing him off a bit and then, you know, every time he would check his mother, his mother would be like relax, we're playing the long game, relax. And he's like we need action, we need war. Like am I going to be the one that has to run this? She's like you're not ready for this. And then, by the time the other dragon riders come, he's like well, now I really don't feel like I mean anything, because now anybody can ride any dragons. That's the only thing I had for myself to put me above them and I hope his humbling moment next season's like that's not what this is about. None of this has ever been about that yeah, yeah, totally um.
Speaker 2:What else is in this finale?
Speaker 2:um corliss, corliss, and corlliss is at our we'll talk about we'll talk a little bit about more Corliss when we kind of broad stroke the season. But he finally kind of comes to you know, comes to terms with everything that's happened to him throughout the season and then confronts this very real living you know, test him into, you know he might perceive it as his, his, his failures or his misgivings, but in the form of this, this really intense confrontation he has with alan, which I wasn't expecting, yeah, I mean, I'll throw it to you too, like how do we feel about you know his sons, like his sons that were revealed this season?
Speaker 1:I mean emily, you could talk about it for a little bit. Like I love the dichotomy between the two it's, it's almost like a nature versus nurture thing, uh, even though they didn't really know him until a couple weeks ago, a a couple months ago, whatever the time has passed. But I just want to know what you think about just kind of his relationship and kind of where he went this season.
Speaker 3:I mean because we don't have the answers on how they found out that was their father. I guess the mother told them, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I think it was right. I think Did Rayneese. I think she said it without saying it, she did it.
Speaker 3:She did point. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I mean I felt really bad for them. You know it's terrible that they grew up like that, watching their father raise a whole another family, you know but, I do think it's good that what's his name alan alan and adam I think it's good that he said that to corliss you know to kind of get him to realize what his sons went through and hopefully he could make up for it somehow.
Speaker 2:And it's very you know, it's very you know God, it's a very like typical story of like it's you know, the stepchild kind of purview of. You know now, because you've lost your other kids, you're finally propping me up on this pedestal, like I got here without any of that, you know, and I kind of liked him kind of, but to be fair, like I don't think corliss meant it in that way.
Speaker 2:But you know from alan's lived experience, like, of course that's how he's going to take it. Like you know, you lost your son, you lost your daughter. You know your other daughter is off doing who knows what the actual air to drift mark was killed like and now you want to prop me and my brother up on this pedestal like I got here without you and I could, will continue to thrive without you right.
Speaker 1:Um, and that's another storytelling principle perspective is key, like from from alan's perspective. Like you know, corliss is evil. From my perspective, the jedi are evil, but you know, from corliss's perspective, like this is what he had to do. He was, you know, he was the king of driftmark, like he had obligations he already had to take care of. It's the ned stark piece. It's like ned stark is the only one that's like. You know what, john, you're mine. He's the only one that claimed that everybody else would be. Damon has his own kids that he won't even mention or talk about, let alone corliss has bastard children that you know he didn't know about himself, or maybe he did and he chose to ignore it as well too.
Speaker 3:Not realizing how bad they lived.
Speaker 1:Yep and that's the piece of it. When things like this happen, storytelling or real life it's like you don't know where to push and pull from these perspectives and you don't know who's right and who's wrong in the instance. But the right of it is he should have claimed them, he should have, he had the chance to, and I think the true beauty of it is, like his own wife said, this is fine, like this is actually okay. Like you know, we've lost so much. Let's add more to this family too, and I think it adds to our sacrifice too.
Speaker 2:I I think she might add one of the best arcs this season as well, too yeah, and I mean it culminates, yeah, it culminates in, obviously, corliss naming his ship after renees. And you know which was a, you know a storytelling beat, like the ship was named after him the first time, when it was before it was rebuilt, it was the sea snake which was him. So he, you know very, you know he's the house of laurian was always very vain. You know, going back to last season, when they have that extravagant entrance, like where it's like, look at us, like look at house valaria, look how you, look how dripped out we are, yeah, except my brother, except my little brother.
Speaker 2:So he's always kind of had that vanity about him and his house. So now he's kind of being more selfless, which I like. He had all reason to not accept Rhaenyra's offer to be Hand, and he does. He had all reason to not really adopt Adam or alan, and he does. And then, you know, the culmination is when the ship gets rebuilt. He names it after rainey. So, like he's, he's finally like detached. You know all his self vanity for the cause, right at this point.
Speaker 3:Yep, well, at this point, it's all for rainey's, yeah, yeah yeah, he found his purpose through loss which I think he'll stay loyal to reneara too, too for her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because he has that great kind of come-to-Jesus moment with Bela where she kind of kicks him in the ass.
Speaker 1:Oh, I love that. I love that, yep.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:He's like you know what Be my heir.
Speaker 2:Right and she's like no.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I mean we can flip it over to Team Green now, because I think we talked about Team Black. Yeah, I mean overall, I mean finale-wise, I think, like you said, I think every arc got handled. You know we were following Alan and Adam and Hugh and Ulf throughout the whole season and then Colmates and them all becoming Dragon Riders and Alan becoming Corliss' first mate. You know, the Alicent Rhaenyra stuff comes to a head finally, can we talk about that?
Speaker 1:scene actually. Yeah, I kind of want your guys' perspective on that because I feel like I'm going to have a little bit of a different perspective on it, but I want to hear your guys' thoughts. Which scene when they're talking yeah when Allison just pulls a Batman and appears out of the shadows in the room.
Speaker 3:I mean pulls a batman and appears out of the shadows in the room. I mean, I just think it shows how desperate she is. You know, reneara was there I don't know what the timeline is weeks ago, whatever it was, and uh, allison turned her down and said it's too late now you have allison coming back, right, you know, to talk about the same thing yeah, that's a great point actually, rob no, yeah, I don't necessarily think she thought of it as desperation, but it's's very easy for Rhaenyra to feel that way, because Rhaenyra was like Rhaenyra literally says it Like I came to you to lay out this exact premise and you rejected me.
Speaker 2:Like you said, like Viserys made up his mind or whatever. And now you're coming to me because the math has changed Right. Like you know, your son is no longer the most powerful person in this war. Like I am. And now you're coming to me with compromise.
Speaker 3:Like no, Well, it's Aemon, too, being in charge.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it scares her.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she's scared of that, and then she wants Helena out of that situation, so she just wants to go. That's why those scenes are floating in the water, like she's very you know, and I think it pays off.
Speaker 1:You know her entire arc up into the season finale from last season too, like that's kind of been allison's thing this whole time of like you get told to do this thing, and now it's getting to the point of like now she has this free will to herself which she never was rewarded before. She always was at the mercy of somebody else, so and I feel like she feels it slipping back into the same thing. Like, oh, like I, finally, you know I finally was on the council. Like obviously I'm not queen anymore. But you know, now my, now, my son is turning into this warmonger. Like I'm, I'm losing that control I finally got a taste of for a little bit. And like I need, I need help. Like I, she, I feel like it's like she's almost reverting back into that girl she once was from season one. That's a great point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a good point, and that scene also showed Rhaenyra's growth. Maybe she would have heard Alyson out once upon a time, but she is so driven now by this idea that she has to. She says it and I forget what episode it is. Either I claim my birthright or I die, right, like that's been her mindset for however long now, and now you know she's not even. She even says it's allison, like when allison's like you can take amen, like take him if you want, but like spare helena and spare agon because I feel like I can still get to agon right a little bit and renear is like agon and Rhaenyra's, like Aegon, is the. Regardless of what Aemon's doing, aegon is the primary challenger still.
Speaker 2:You know. So like I have to defeat him, or else how do I look like sparing him if he supposedly usurped my throne Like I can't and Alyson's just like all right, well, yep.
Speaker 3:She just accepts that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, I feel like she's truly at like a crossroads, where and I mean Rhaenyra even says like cause Alison basically says like if you kill Aemond, come to King's Landing and I'll command everyone to, I'll tell Helena to tell everyone to let you in. And Rhaenyra's like you know history will write you down as a traitor and it you know to your, to your own cause, and Allison's like she kind of does the Kristen.
Speaker 1:Cole thing she's like that's fine, yep, like I'm kind of over it Because, at the end of the day, I just want my family safe, like that's the only thing that I want now.
Speaker 2:Because I don't care about her life, but you should have thought about that in the beginning Exactly.
Speaker 1:Exactly, exactly, exactly she should.
Speaker 2:You had. You had your chance and you lost it. You had your chance to do all this, yeah, and I mean she. She says all the right things, like she's. Like you know, viserys always loved your mother and you know his love for her is what made him make you the heir and stay true to that. And then renera rightly so snaps back and is like then why? Why did you think he suddenly changed his mind? If you're admitting this to me now, like it's, you know, I loved how Rhaenyra handled that scene Because you know, like I said, if the scene had happened like earlier on, she may have given up some ground to Alyson, but she's done, like Rhaenyra's, also over it, but in a different sense, where she's no longer willing to compromise.
Speaker 3:But it's different for her. They have the prophecy her and damon like to allison. She's like all right, you know, we just got to end this. What are we doing, you know? But to rene, it's like a bigger thing and she gets that.
Speaker 2:You know, she gets that affirmation from damon later on, um, which kind of bolstered, or before that, before the conversation with allison, is when damon is like I've seen, I've seen things, I've seen all the things and, and we, we have a, we have a greater calling than just this war. Right, like, the things that we do now are going to resonate for generations. And now that's where we're near his head's at. Yeah, and you know, there's no like aemon is very short-sighted. There's no, she's not short-sighted anymore, she's like, you know, I claim the throne and I set my family up for generations to come, you know, um, but yeah, all in all, finale was, you know, really solid. It tied up everything. We didn't even touch on the triarchy stuff, but that's all set that part. The bit with the lannisters of the triarchy is all set up for next season, like there was no long-term storytelling there yeah, I think that was, for me, the only thing I wasn't really a fan of.
Speaker 2:That was the comedy bit they put too much into that, yeah. It felt like that could have been season three, episode one. Yeah, like an intro.
Speaker 3:I feel like we could have seen other stuff happen in the finale than watching him in the mud thing.
Speaker 2:You know it was all right, but I didn't need that. Inylan Lannister wrestling with House of the Dragons version of Yara Greyjoy yeah yeah, so, like to your point, I feel like we can just kind of revisit these different factions throughout the season, and I think the green Team Green is where to start, and I kind of want to talk about a character that we have not mentioned yet, and that is the king Aegon II baby.
Speaker 1:Jaehaer Aegon II Baby Jaehaer.
Speaker 3:Aegon II King, for a day I thought you were going to say Otto, basically you want it all to be.
Speaker 2:So Aegon goes on a really interesting journey this season, starting with the king, the boy king, who's just loving life. Aegon and the Aegons.
Speaker 1:These guys, man, these guys Look life Mm-hmm. Agon and the Agoons. These guys, man, these guys. Hbo, hear me out for a second. I got a pitch. Here's my pitch. You do Blue Mountain State, but you use the Agon and the Agoons Just a little college fun Hanging out, getting into situations and shenanigans. 100 million views each week. Your thoughts Good, right.
Speaker 3:I'm down, see, sounds good to me. Have fun, thoughts good right, I'm down.
Speaker 2:See how fun. You're a fan of agon? All right, I'm putting you on the spot here.
Speaker 3:Nope no, I like the actor in real life.
Speaker 2:So, moving on the character no but he goes on an interesting kind of journey despite yeah, he does. Despite the fact that he is pretty reprehensible Mm-hmm, because he did some things in season one, I mean.
Speaker 3:I feel bad for him in certain ways. You know, I don't think he ever not to cut you off, but I don't think he ever felt loved.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 3:You know I mean he drank a lot. You know he did bad things, but he did get the shitty end of all this. He was forced to be king Otto's like you made you king there you go, and I think it was too.
Speaker 1:Like it's the puberty ambition of what happens. Like the more he grew up he's like it wasn't from. Like you have to be king.
Speaker 2:Like from season one. He's like ugh. He's like I don't want it.
Speaker 1:I just want to party and have fun with the a goons and then, like it gets there and it's like it's almost like you know how, like sometimes it's like either politicians and like they'll have their kids and their kids really be like you're gonna, you're gonna do this, and they're just like I don't want, I just want to have fun. And they get a little older, it's just like, okay, I, I have to do this now, like I, I get it. And then they start to adopt the ambitions of their you know, of what their lineage came from yeah, and, and, and I think the turning point for him is the birth of his son, yep.
Speaker 2:Kids change your life. They do. And he saw Jaehaerys as this beacon of. I'm going to do for Jaehaerys what Viserys never did for me.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, Having him at the table.
Speaker 1:And even to go further with that. I think it's I finally have a chance to do the good in somebody that I took away from myself from being being a stupid kid like I have a chance to like raise this boy the right way and do the right things and like keep them away from the agoons and unfortunately for baby jaharis.
Speaker 2:He caught a case of the decapitation yeah, he got a. He caught a case of the dead in one of the most harrowing scenes in game of thrones and they start the season like this.
Speaker 1:this is episode one, one man that sequence is a tough watch.
Speaker 2:It's a tough watch. It's a tough listen. The noises.
Speaker 1:Well, how do we get here? How do we get here? Episode one how do we get there?
Speaker 2:I mean Daemon. You know, Rhaenyra says I want Aemon Targaryen dead because he murdered my son. We'll talk about performance in that episode one, two, um, and damon targaryen takes that as I got this, I got you boo I'm gonna do the one thing. I'm gonna do the only thing I know how to do, and that's murder yeah, yeah, I'm gonna hire some skeevy folks and I'm gonna do an assassination, and he hires these two knuckleheads that's the best way to describe them and he's like kill amon targaryen, please.
Speaker 2:He's got an eye patch and blonde hair, he's hard to miss. And these two knuckleheads go into the Red Keep and they're like can't find him, can't find him. But we found the sister, though, right, and he's like we can't kill her, right, like she's a lady, let's just let's kill a baby instead.
Speaker 3:So they, they have two kids. Uh, jaharis, and I don't know what the daughter's name is. I always forget. I know the name it's like similar jahara, it's something similar, yeah and she.
Speaker 2:They make helena choose and helena sails baby jaharis up the river. Oh, they do the oliver queen with deathstroke from arrow season two, and yeah, it's a this baby gets his head sewn off. It's horrifying.
Speaker 1:I didn't like it and it's like it's just because the beginning of the episode too. We're like you know, agon has him running around him and ty him and him and tylen get into it a little bit. Tylen, it happened. Tylen's like that sucks. Sorry about your son, man, man, stupid little kid.
Speaker 2:I mean, and then I mean, after that happens I think you're the one who you know what was. The first thing that you texted me was like I can't wait to see how Aegon reacts.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was curious.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, he killed it.
Speaker 3:Like the actor, he did a great job. It's a side of him you don't.
Speaker 2:you've never seen Like you understood he did a great job. It's a side of him you've never seen. You understood, based on episode one, that he clearly loved his son and the lineage that he would carry. But to see him react in that way, it's humanized.
Speaker 3:I felt so bad for him.
Speaker 1:It humanizes him.
Speaker 2:And you're like do I feel bad for Aegon? And you do? You do feel bad for him and you feel bad for Helena. And then you know, it sends Aegon on this quest to be, you know, the king, that he feels like he should be the warmonger. And unfortunately he's not equipped for that.
Speaker 1:No, he doesn't have the facilities for that big man.
Speaker 2:And it culminates for Aegon in the Rook's Rest battle where he gets drunk and he's like I'm going to go, I'm going yeah.
Speaker 3:And the rat catchers too. He messed up there too.
Speaker 1:I get his anger, but that was, that's a good point too, because I think what this season does well is finally round out you know, westeros. Like I feel like it rounds out the bottom, not the bottom half, sorry, I mean Small folk, him half sorry, I mean, uh, the small folk. Yeah, vermithor certainly thought so, but um, but yeah, it rounds out the small folk and it makes the world feel a little bit more real. When you do that, like you know, agon captures, he rounds up every rat catcher and murders him and allison's. Like you, and otto are like you, idiot, you don't understand what you did. You don't literally says yeah, you don't, you don't get it, you don't get it.
Speaker 2:You don't get it. My son is a fool. He's worse than a fool, Otto man we love.
Speaker 1:Racy Fonz here.
Speaker 2:But Aegon's ultimate destiny in this season is to get cooked by Rhaenys. He takes Sunfire out for a spin.
Speaker 3:Sunfire yeah.
Speaker 2:Sunfire, awful Sunfire. Yeah, sunfire, awful Sunfire. Caught a bad deal? Yeah, he did.
Speaker 1:Sunfire was like oh, we're going to go on a joyride. Yeah, Me and my dad we're going on a joyride. It's going to be fun.
Speaker 2:And then he flies and Sunfire's like I know that ain't Maylis the Red Queen, right and Maylis? Yeah, maylis, said I. We don't care, you're catching these hands.
Speaker 1:Yeah see, smoke, looks he's just like. Or some fire, look he's like she looking at me. Is that for?
Speaker 2:me the war dragon, the Red Queen, showed up, but it is not the Red Queen that undoes Aegon it is his own brother, that was wild Yep.
Speaker 1:He wouldn't have done it if he didn't mess with him at that brothel. I don't think, I don't think, I don't think he would have done it.
Speaker 3:How sad was that. Aegon was so excited. He's like oh, my brother's here, yeah, my brother's here to save the day.
Speaker 1:He's going to be fine. He was like no, he was like Aemon's, like I want nothing more for you to be murdered Actually.
Speaker 2:I need you to be. Dacaris sends Aegon and Sunfire careening to the ground, big explosion. It's horrible what happens to the dragons, but I do like that. They're kind of like living fighter jets Insofar as when they crash down they explode.
Speaker 1:I'm like oh my god, it turned into a gladiator scene at the end on the ground, when everybody was crashing down too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yep, you're like holy shit.
Speaker 1:But if we rewind that Kristen Cole thing, oh yeah, kristen Cole's like that. Kristen Cole got humble. He's like wow, I don't even need the cloak, it doesn't actually matter. But if we rewind a week, our channel favorite, matt Smith, is on an adventure. He gets a side quest this season.
Speaker 2:Oh God Wait, we gotta finish talking about Aegon.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:He recovers. He does recover, in a manner of speaking. Give him the milk of the poppy and he gets adopted by our old pal Laris Strong. Yeah, the creepiest.
Speaker 1:He is creepy, even Littlefinger would.
Speaker 2:He's like Littlefinger, without any subtlety. Yeah, yeah, he's like. I'm just going to tell you my schemes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, but you could tell he feels for Aegon too.
Speaker 2:He sees a kindred crippled spirit.
Speaker 3:He sees himself, yeah, so he's doing it partly for that too, I think I think he was waiting for that.
Speaker 1:He was happy he not get someone I can relate to.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, you're like me now yeah, you're like me.
Speaker 1:Now he literally says that to her.
Speaker 2:He's like I know how it feels to be crippled. Your leg's a little messed up. Yeah right, Aegon is literally torched on half of his body. We are not the same. We are not saying the same thing.
Speaker 1:But also, he wanted to stick it a little bit, because laris is, I love that scene when amen is scared of him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, and they have that scene where amen is like I need a new hand, you hand anybody? And laris is like oh, you shouldn't have. Yeah, what I was like not, you get lost, go get out of hightower the real hand. And laris is like I'll show you the real hand. But laris you know much like in a weird way, much like helena kind of, sees the long game where he he's like look, this war is over, dude. Like Rhaenyra has a billion dragons. You have your brother and that's it, so we get out of here, right, and then Rhaenyra comes in and then you come back. Big comeback, big Aegon comeback.
Speaker 3:A rebuilder, whatever he says.
Speaker 1:And then the whole time Aegon, come back the rebuilder, whatever he says, and then the whole time Aegon's like my life sucks.
Speaker 2:I can't have kids anymore. I look like my dad. This is horrible. It's a great parallel to Viserys man, poor Aegon, but you know, again this rounds up his arc and now he gets to. Presumably, who knows if Laerys' kind of plans come to fruition and Rhaenyra takes the throne and Aegon returns I mean, they're not shelving Aegon for no reason. I think he is destined to come back.
Speaker 3:Well, once Helena said that too, everything she said so far has happened in some way or another.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I also don't think Sunfyre is dead.
Speaker 1:No, no, I thought the same thing too.
Speaker 3:I literally never thought that I don't think anyone ever said he was dead. I thought it was just his wing.
Speaker 1:Well, I think that was the public knowledge Cause I again, they don't want just a random, you know, not a random, but they don't want a dragon flying out there. So like, essentially too and this goes to like the formidable nature of Vhagar like you go in the air against Vhagar, you're toast. That's the whole thing, and that's why it was so important that Rhaenyra did what she did. She's like I don't care who's riding these dragons, I just need I need guns in the air. That's all I need. You just gotta outnumber, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yep, yeah. So Aegon, we go to Aemond, his brother, who gets a lot to do this season. Be a jerk.
Speaker 1:Primarily, he becomes king kinda he does a thing. Our bit from last season where we're like that throne looks kinda empty, anybody can sit on it and take the throne, that's how it works, right. It's like no, that's not how it works. I don't see a rule that says it doesn't work, so he becomes.
Speaker 2:Prince Regent, and that guy knows one speed Yep, go Go. We're invading, we're burning, we're winning this war, damn it. Him and Kristen Cole form a little sneaky alliance that seems to change after the events of Rook's Rest. Right, right, well he looks.
Speaker 1:I mean we can talk about that episode, because I think that's the one that we should bottleneck a little bit towards the end of this. But yeah, no, I see it as well Like they were buddy-buddy, schem, scheming together, and then that rook's rest happened and kristen cole was like he actually might be a psycho.
Speaker 2:No, kristen cole found jesus after that fight he's like oh lord. So yeah, because, amen, man, I mean it's, it's, it's a nuanced performance by you and mitchell in the sense that, like you, do kind of feel for him a little bit, but then he just takes it too far and that's it's good.
Speaker 1:That's the point. That's the point in my opinion. Like you are the warmongering brother like, and also helps agon's case, for like, as much as we hated agon last last year, as much as we've, you know, we felt for him losing control over vagar, accidentally killing luke. Like that's gone now. Like I'm going to become the person that I was meant to be. This whole thing, which is a big theme of this season. It's the question like everybody's got that mirror this season, every single character. You can go down the line. They got the mirror. Like am I half? Do I turn into this? And episode eight solidified it? Like do I have to turn into this? Like Corliss went the other way, aemond went to it, aegon went the other way. Like all these characters had the choice.
Speaker 2:So yeah, yeah, that's a great point. You know, like I said, there's that moment. You know that moment in the brothel is really important in the sense that, like you're reminded, of that.
Speaker 1:It was disgusting. It was disgusting.
Speaker 2:And then you're reminded that like, oh, aegon is a dick, like as much as I want to like, you obviously feel for him and you know he was thrust into this position. At the end of the day he literally has no respect for Aemond, never has had respect for Aemond. So when Aemond does what he does at Rook's Rest, you're like kind of get it.
Speaker 1:I told you, I said he wouldn't have done that unless and it's such a quote-unquote small thing, but like that meant everything to Aemond. Like you, just Like. This is where I come to find a little bit of peace in this actual war, and it's more to the point, like you know, aegon, what problems do you have? You don't have any problems. Obviously, your son was murdered. That sucks. But like you don't have any. Like, look at you, now you get to go party, you get to go be the king, you have everything that I want. And I have to come here to you know, I have to fight twice as hard as you do to have any sort of credit, credibility. And like, look at you, you get to sit at the top of that council because you were born first.
Speaker 3:That's the only difference between me and you yeah, and he even says to her too how he didn't mean to kill luke. Like the dragon went. You know, it really was an accident even though he was being reckless, um.
Speaker 2:So you do feel for him that episode a little bit yeah, and I mean, from his perspective, he has the biggest dog in the fight. Yeah, like he should be more respected and feared because he has vagar and he's just like. What else do I have to do? Right, like to prove that I'm the biggest. You know, I'm the biggest gun in this fight, and the only way he can do it is by taking his brother out of the equation and taking his what he feels is his rightful seat.
Speaker 1:You know that's true. What's the plan, what's the plot of the season?
Speaker 2:Well, we thought it was going to be a war. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Let's do the war, hbo said. Hbo said well, relax, we got two more seasons, just chill out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, we got two more seasons, just just chill out. Um, yeah, I mean, ultimately it comes down to just you know we're we're moving towards inevitability. I think is what the theme of the season was. And you know, I think allison is a great lynch point for that idea because she has this, you know, she starts to have some doubts. Yeah, you could say, um, when raniera brings her the, the prophecy, and allison's like oh right, you know um, yeah, I don't know where you, where do you fall on allison this season?
Speaker 3:I do feel bad for allison. I just think everything that has happened is really on her and auto. So it's like hard to feel bad for her, but I do. It's also her children, so you can understand her point of view, like, yes, you know her children are shitty, but they're still her kids and she loves them, you know. So I don't know, right.
Speaker 1:Right, and that's my piece between the like. She has this like splitting dichotomy, but like right down the middle, because it's her kids, like that's the only piece that's humanizing her in my opinion. Like that, like motherly instinct that she's always had. She's always had that. She had it for Rhaenyra and then it passed to Viserys and then it passed to you know, and then it passed to her kids, like she's always had that in her. It's just, in my opinion, alyson always catches the selfish piece and that goes back to my point talking about like she's always been at the mercy of somebody else. So by the time you know it's her being with kristen cole, like she finally gets the chance to make a decision and like I feel like every time she gets a chance she makes the wrong decision for herself or accidental, I mean the whole thing, baby jaharis I mean she was with the cole during that time that's why I hate her so much.
Speaker 1:That was my true hate for her.
Speaker 3:But it's like she obviously wouldn't have wanted that to happen. It wasn't her intent. You know just it happened and it was shitty, but you know. So stuff like that where I feel bad for her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I think that's fair. You know she's meant to be this kind of, but I mean, mean, I think a great kind of point that you're making about, like she takes all the the selfish qualities of being a mother, because when she asked her brother about her other son, darren and I think secretly she was kind of hoping that gwen would be like, oh darren sucks, like so she, so she could be like, oh, okay, maybe it's not me like maybe maybe my kids are just monsters, but when he tell I think it does kind of break her heart a little bit.
Speaker 2:When gwen tells her, like darren's the best not being raised by you you know what I mean? Yeah, like you know, he's well adjusted. He's smart. You know, everyone likes him. He can sing in her defense.
Speaker 3:Like viserys, though, wasn't the best dad to them. No, you know. So I feel like just the combination, like for all three, of her care for her kids. You know none of them really had that that parent in their lives, you know. So it's not all on alicent you know viserys made mistakes as well, maybe even worse, than alicent.
Speaker 1:As the king, you know that's actually not a bad point too, about viserys, like you know and that's the difference between him and chorus is, like corliss's might have not been through, you know, naivete, but like you know, it's willful, willful ignorance that viserys was having. Like he willfully just said, I love renear and that's pretty much it. Like this is the only one that I actually really like out of all my kids and like out of that whole period of peace, like he still had to do crappy things in that time, like he still made bad decisions in that whole time, like he wasn't like and I love how, like the overarch is like Viserys was such this good man that had all this peace. I was like you don't pay, you pay for peace. Like you do have to pay for peace with something. And he it was by, you know, taking out variables from his life and some of those were his other kids yeah, no, I don't think he was the strongest leader to have, or a good dad.
Speaker 1:I think he was a really nice guy, you know it's the ned stark thing like what isn't being, and it's the thing that I'm very fearful for, helena. I'm glad what they did in the last episode with helena, like what is being good, get you in this universe it gets, gets you killed.
Speaker 2:Usually nothing. Yeah, usually nothing.
Speaker 1:Historically it gets you violently murdered or very sick.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's a great point. At the same time, like I did appreciate the Paddy Considine scenes that we got this season.
Speaker 1:Remember I texted you immediately I was like my goat's back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it felt like just a warm hug. When he showed up, you're like oh, that's what a king looks like. It talks like. It sounds like like not any of these people who don't have anything figured out.
Speaker 2:Like you, you realize the kind of hold that viserys had on everyone until he didn't, because, like you said, he was, he was once his, once his original original recipe son died. He just put all of it into Rhaenyra. So by the time he had Aegon, he was just like in his mind, aegon's not the heir. So why am I going to raise him? Obviously that turned out to be the worst thing he could have done, but it's a great point. And then I don't know who else we got on Team Green to talk about.
Speaker 1:Otto.
Speaker 2:Hightower. Yeah yeah, not as much screen time this season for auto high tower, it's kind of thrown away.
Speaker 1:That's, that's the tv, that's the tv sin of the situation of like you, you get so much room to play and like you, obviously, going season to season, you got to give some people some shine. So I think I think reese fawns was so freaking good last season and so pivotal last season that we're like, well, we can't do this again because they're not kids anymore. Like you know, jace agon amen, they're not kids, so obviously they're going to turn into these main characters. We have to deal with all the you know, all the valarians on top of this as well, like otto might have to take a step back and then he shows back up in the finale in a box you're're like wait, they captured my king.
Speaker 1:This is horrible.
Speaker 2:I kind of would have substituted out some Damon Heron Hall stuff for, like, what happened to Otto.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know. So you know, amon asks for him to come back and then you don't see him come back Right Until that last scene. He's in a cell or something.
Speaker 2:He's like in a box and a torch comes over. At first I thought it was Aegon and I'm like, oh, he's escaping King's Landing. And then he turned more and I'm like, wait a minute.
Speaker 1:You're Reese Fonz from the Amazing Spider-Man, holy crap.
Speaker 2:Wait, it's.
Speaker 1:Otto.
Speaker 2:Hightower Show me more of that. So I guess we'll pick up next season wherever Otto is they should do a whole Otto anthology episode next season, unfulled, dedicated.
Speaker 1:This is what otto's been up to. This is what he this is what happened since his birth until he got in that box. We're just gonna show everything that he's been six months prior.
Speaker 2:Um, uh, but he has that. I mean he has that outstanding scene where he finally just loses it on agon and like that's one of my favorite scenes, just because everyone in this show was so great at facial acting and that was like the best thing. When otto was like you, knucklehead, why did you kill all the rat catchers? And he was like we had to do something. And then agon goes, sir christian cole has acted and otto just goes what and what has sir christian cole done? And agon was like he sent sir eric over there to kill raniera. He's gonna disguise him. His own twin, brilliant oh, what did I?
Speaker 1:what did I say? I said that's the most Disney Channel original movie plot I've ever seen.
Speaker 2:Well, Otto even says he calls it a prank. Yeah, he's like by himself.
Speaker 1:That actually in-universe was the first time anybody had said the word prank. He came up with it right there. It was insane.
Speaker 2:He's like and you signed off on this prank. I'm like it's an assassination. Fascination, Otto. And then Aegon's like you're fired. I was like good, yeah, he throws the pin he throws it at Kristen Cole and he's like, take that, have fun idiot.
Speaker 1:Have fun. Kristen Cole didn't have a good time. No, he didn't, he had the worst time. Kristen Cole caught existentialism by being the Hand of the King. After he became Hand of the King, he was like actually, I don't want to do this anymore, nothing matters.
Speaker 2:Nothing matters. So Otto's gone, and then I guess who's left Helena?
Speaker 1:Yeah, we kind of touched on Helena a little bit too. Obviously, you feel like I said she's the goodest of good in this universe.
Speaker 2:Oh man, that line she had in the finale where she was like I was happier before I was queen, I was like, oh Mm-hmm. But I mean, she's much like Bran Stark is going to appear to be integral to the grand machination of how this all goes, and I do like that. She was like all right, I'm done being subtle, yeah.
Speaker 1:I can see the future, guys. I didn't want to tell anybody before. I'm spoiling season three for you guys, and Game of Thrones. If you haven't seen it yet, I'm just going to go through the whole thing.
Speaker 2:I just love that. You know of all the. I think that scene with Damon is really telling, where, like, she can conceivably do this with anybody. But it's very telling that she comes to Damon of all people and is like you, you're the, you're the, you're the main character, matt smith, like, like you have to, you're gonna be the one that that turns the true tide of this war, and like you're gonna die in the process but you're what you do when you deal with amand is gonna be like the most consequential moment of the sure of the war, and that's also the showrunner is going amand, amand versus da Damon, it's gonna rock and normally we would end with Rhaenyra because you just said main character.
Speaker 1:We're ending with Matt Smith. I'm sorry he's gonna be the last character.
Speaker 3:we talk about Just the whole casting of that show. They just killed it.
Speaker 1:It's phenomenal. There's not one person where I'm like oh, no, no, no, there's not. Every single last one of them is remarkable and they all leveled up yep this season.
Speaker 2:Like you know that that that actor jump was pretty jarring in season one, especially the reneara thing, like going from millie alcock to emma darcy. But like they, they wrote around it and they made the emma darcy version so distinctive. Now to the, to the millie alcock version. So like that was it, was it?
Speaker 1:was great, everyone was great. Let's talk about her. Let's talk about the main character this season. That's. That's renero, and I mean the first episode you want to talk about like the concept of what acting is. That's it like I don't need to say anything. This whole time. She has one line of dialogue, that whole thing, and it's just it's sorrow she feels, but it's, it's sorrow and it's it's such an interesting call to action. It's like a call to action. I didn't really think of it that way until I just until the last episode, I was like that's what that whole episode one was. It wasn't like it was that grieving period, but like this is the why, because before it was like you're told to do this and like this is your path, but this is the why you're doing this now reneara thoughts, even though you like, I mean I know I joke around where it's like we're always seeing scenes of her just staring but, like her acting.
Speaker 3:Like you know, it's just reneara really killed it with that, but um, I mean I love her, I mean yeah, I mean she goes on this, this, this journey to like discover the kind of ruler she wants. Yeah, and she tries to be, you know, peaceful, like she doesn't want all of this war and blood, you know she gives everybody every chance not to do it to her.
Speaker 1:She's like don't, don't do it, and everybody keeps trying her the whole season.
Speaker 2:It's like the detriment of her own small council too.
Speaker 3:Like they're like hey, hey, are you gonna actually do something? Or like do we have to do? We have to like that she like goes her own, like she doesn't listen to them.
Speaker 1:She hears them, but she's like I'm gonna go on my own path and decide when we're gonna do this, and that's the beauty between her and millie alcock. That's where millie alcock comes back into the equation, because that's exactly how she was when she was a kid, like that's what connects the two of them as actors back to that character as well, too. So 100.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and she's, you know, like I said, she comes to the grips with the kind of ruler she wants to be, in the sense that, like um she originally, like you said, like tries to be, tries to go the peaceful route, and then what ends up happening is she gets her hand forced, um, and then she start, then she almost goes too far in the other direction, where now she's like I'm putting anybody on a dragon and I'm winning this damn thing.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean yeah, that's the only thing I I thought was a little. I don't know if I would have done that in her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah yep, exactly, and and that's kind of like the the sad thing about it is. And then, um, you know, jace too, like can't ride really.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was going to ask about Jace. She won't let him ride, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Because of Luke. Because of Luke, presumably yeah.
Speaker 1:So that's, one less rider without him, then that's the sad nature of her relationship and it's also she's seen it too many times and I love how much she holds him to the chest of like. And it's to the point where, like Jason's, it's such like a simple like mom and son thing, or like parent and kid thing, where it's like mom, I want to go out and be great. And he's like no, no, no, I need to keep you safe. And then he's like why, like, you're not giving me an answer? It's like where's your brother right now?
Speaker 3:Your brother's dead. That's exact.
Speaker 1:I'm not die right and she essentially signed his life and death warrant as soon as she told him that you know the the song of of ice and fire right, yeah, so like you're down cyrax, you're down vermax, you're down caraxes, essentially, so it was really just rain east and then.
Speaker 2:So when rain east goes like the war, is essentially over until reneera. You know, throws this hail. Mary right of finding writers for the other dragon, she.
Speaker 1:She pulls two Hail Marys. The first one was very smart and it's the small folk you have to win over the people that was.
Speaker 3:Vissaria's brainchild who's?
Speaker 1:another character.
Speaker 2:We can I guess yeah, but that scene was great.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, with the ships coming, yep, it's genius and it totally undoes everything that Aegon is about and everything that team green's about. It's such that separation between like you're, you're, you're them, and then we're us, we're above, and you guys are less than like to renera. That's like, it's, obviously, it's a scheme and it's a plan. It's not a prank, but it is something, but it's. We are going to get the people on our side. So once we get into and it plays on the beginning, uh, the who was fighting? It's the um, the stepstones, right, all the Stepstones.
Speaker 2:I can't get over the.
Speaker 1:Stepstones, you know, and it's such another piece and it goes to Kristen Cole's monologue. Those two factions have been fighting for as long as they've been fighting, it's a big theme of the season, like when did they start fighting? Oh, the Brackens and the Blackwoods, yeah, exactly. And it's like when did they start fighting? Who knows, it doesn't, but it doesn't matter. And unfortunately you, the, you know the targaryens and the, we're gonna get into the same thing, like when did we start fighting? Doesn't matter, we've been fighting and people are gonna.
Speaker 1:And rainy said she tells her she's just like, careful how you tread this, because you're gonna lose a lot of people. You're gonna, you know you might diminish your legacy. You're gonna do all these things. But why, like, you're gonna do this? For what? In 100, 200, 300 years, like 400, 500, a thousand years, like, people are gonna be like what was the start of this war? Everybody's gonna be like well, I don't know. I think they just don't like each other. Like but why, like? There's again that's kristen cole's own point like none of this matters to anything, this doesn't matter yep, yeah, 100.
Speaker 2:It reminds me of what, uh tywin lannister says to, I think, jamie in game of thrones, when he's like look we, you die, I die, tyrian dies, cersei dies. Like the only thing that lives is our name. The lannister name is all that matters, like. So that's kind of like that inroad too, like it doesn't matter what we do in this moment, and it's the, it's the moment that damon comes to in the finale, like we, we're fighting for a bigger picture, we're fighting for the future of our, our generation, of our bloodline. Like that's, that's the purpose at the end of the day. And, you know, and massaria becomes this, this weapon of the, of the small folk, like she. You know, I think she has her own kind of machinations, but it's a great insight to you know, at the end the day, this war is literally of. This is a war between not for the betterment of the realm, it's two, it's just two factions of the same family fighting this fighting this war.
Speaker 2:That you know doesn't. I mean it affects the small folk, but like they're not getting any input here, this is just a family affair.
Speaker 1:at the end of the day, this family affair that will literally infect and decide the fate of Westeros is all because somebody cut another kid's eye out. If we really want to get down to the black and white of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the scene that sticks with me is after Rook's rest, when they're parading Maelys' head through the street and chris and cole was like why aren't they cheering? Like why aren't they because they don't care? Like they don't care, they can't eat, they have no food. Like why does this? Why does this matter to anybody? You know and rainier is, you know, she's obviously a little more magnanimous with the donation of the food, but like it's almost like they're. They're not treating this. Neither side is really treating the small folk as people. They're just treating them as these tokens to like to turn the tide of the war. And it's going to be very interesting to you know, presumably when reneara gains control of the iron throne, like how she actually rules. Like you know, great, you have the throne, but now what? What do you do with it?
Speaker 3:you know, I think you and olaf might play a role in that, being just small folk, you. So we'll see what happens with that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, we can talk about those too, yep.
Speaker 1:I mean, let's talk about the three of them, the three new dragon riders that they have.
Speaker 2:Yeah, adam of Hall, hugh Hammer and Ulf Ulf don't know his surname, yeah, neither does he. Presumably they're these. They act as Ulf and Hugh especially act as hope. Often, hue, especially act as these lenses of the small folk and you obviously, like tv trope, tells you that these characters are going to become important. Because why? Why are we giving them screen time every episode, right? Um, and then we find out that that when raniera hatches this master plan to to get dragon riders, those two obviously go and you're like, oh well, did you think anytime one of them was gonna fail?
Speaker 3:I thought olf was gonna die when he fell off the thing um, but hugh, I I thought was gonna get he gave more main character energy.
Speaker 2:He did a little bit like olf.
Speaker 3:I felt like yeah, because he was kind of like you know he would drink and you know kind of hang out, you know. But I feel like um hugh had more of like with his daughter dying you know what? I mean like his story was a little more I don't know the word.
Speaker 1:It's such a good piece between the two sides because this season also, like I keep saying, it dealt with the small versus, like the family affair that's going on, and why does any of the small folk have to matter Like? This also helps that a little bit the connection piece a little bit bit too, which I like Hugh's. Like you know, I will fight with Renee, like, look what she just did for me, she got my family food. She essentially saves my life without directly doing it, and what have the Greens ever done for me? They've done nothing for me except for give me pain and torture. And, you know, have me try to care about, you know, these battles and these fights and these political wars that my family hasn't eaten in weeks. Why do I? Why am I even worried about anything that they're doing? I'm gonna pledge loyalty to her, though, because she seems to care about everybody, even though, again, it was a scheme, like it's an effective scheme.
Speaker 3:it worked well, that's what I'm hoping happens and they don't turn somehow.
Speaker 1:I think he's gonna die next season, though, hugh, I think he's oh, he's too noble not to die like he was too good. And again, it's such a good piece about the whole thing of Game of Thrones when does nobility and honor get you? It gets you killed.
Speaker 2:Also, I think the way that those two claim their dragons is very indicative of their character.
Speaker 1:Hugh is ready to sacrifice himself to save a person he just does not know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's respectful Versus Ulf, literally st just does not know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's respectful, you know, versus Ulf literally stumbles into the place.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so yeah, I think those two scenes were very indicative of their character and unfortunately, I do suspect Ulf will turn on Rhaenyra.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all they have to do is offer him alcohol and he'll be like oh, I think he's going to turn for greater ambition.
Speaker 2:I think that's where his mind is at now. Even Rhaenyra was like I'll make you a knight. It almost seemed like a knight. I'm more than a knight.
Speaker 3:I have a dragon.
Speaker 2:So it feels like he's one conversation with an Otto Hightower away from switching sides, and if a dragon switches sides like that's a massive power shift because, if the whole plan is for, because, imagine if vagar has help, it's like lebron james in 2012 what if?
Speaker 1:what if vagar gets help? Like if or like in the middle of a battle? Yeah, he's like I don't feel like dying. I'm turning against you and like now I have the biggest dragon in the sky, like I'm good, like, or what I think he's gonna do. I just think he's gonna, or what I think he's going to do. I just think he's going to peace out. I think he's going to peace out and we're never going to hear from him again.
Speaker 3:That's possible, and I just leave it like that. That's what I was thinking too, because he just doesn't seem like that war fighter type of guy.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 3:He just seems like I'm going to take my dragon and do some reckless whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's an opportunistic person.
Speaker 2:That you know, where kind of like jace's fear comes with this. Where, like I think, olf is going to be the personification of that, where, like, he's going to be the one that, like you know, he got this dragon and then he peaced out, or he turned on you and jace is like see, I told you I tried to tell you this whole time yeah or worse.
Speaker 1:Yet you know, maybe olf's treachery gets one of them killed like and I think it's going to be you, like, I think, I think I don't. That would make a lot of sense. I don't see Hugh surviving this because Hugh was so good, he was this person that's a family man that you know, accepted, like this unbeknownst, accepting of this fate of his life that he had no prior knowledge to, because they do seem linked in that way.
Speaker 2:I could see them like Rhaenyra sending them out like together, and then Ulf just being like, see ya.
Speaker 3:And and Ulf just being like see ya, and kind of leaving Hugh out to dry, and Hugh's like what the Well? So Ulf is Damien and Viserys' half-brother, yes, and then Hugh is who again, sarah is his mom, who is that?
Speaker 1:I think so. I think it's Sarah Targaryen right? Something like that, yeah.
Speaker 3:But who is that?
Speaker 2:I think it was Viserys' sister, Sister yeah, okay, all right. Yeah, so he'd be Rhaenyra's half-brother.
Speaker 3:Oh, wow, okay, Yep.
Speaker 2:Or cousin, something like that. I don't know. Targaryens are weird Cousin, is that right? And then we get to Adam of Holm.
Speaker 1:Shout out to Adam, my favorite one out of these two you.
Speaker 2:he already kind of has like that younger brother syndrome, but he has it worse because he's a bastard on top of that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I hope alan comes to the folds. Well, I think he's gonna do it on like the sea, like on the seafront.
Speaker 1:Like, yeah, as much as he hates corliss, he's gonna turn into corliss when it comes to being on the sea and being like you know, because they set it up well in the first like the first time we meet alan, it's like alan's. Like I am, I'm good at this. Like I'm good at leading these men. Like I don't need all this glory and fame, like I just need to be good at what I do, and I am right now too, the first, and alan, or adam, becomes the first dragon rider to be claimed by a dragon wild and then we can just debunk the um, the other son, um jace, and luke's father, their real father, harman strong.
Speaker 1:No, oh, damon, yeah, but um, yeah, he's dead right, that's what people think. Who, what's his name? Oh?
Speaker 2:Laenor Laenor, yeah, laenor Velaryon, he's dead right, they think he's dead, yeah.
Speaker 1:Because you can't claim another rider unless your dragon is dead. How they know that, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Maybe he just went on a vacation. He probably died somewhere. I think that is a thing where dragons can't play.
Speaker 1:I just, I find it so hard to believe they kill that character off screen.
Speaker 3:I find that infinitely hard to believe that they, unless he like, just he's not really relevant at this point. I don't think he, you know, I mean he's not coming back.
Speaker 1:I just everybody else from season one is there except for him, Like he's coming back.
Speaker 3:I think his he never wanted the royalty, you know, he just wanted to go do what he was doing right. I think he he did that and probably passed away that's fair peace.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe, or he's a good dude or c smoke just like, was, just like I'm tired of waiting yeah, c smoke's like you, good bro.
Speaker 1:He's like I'm good you, good bro. Yeah, and he's like all right, chase adam down through the woods. I'm gonna going to go find your half-brother. That was insane yeah, that was crazy, that was nuts.
Speaker 2:I did like that though. Like Sea Smoke flew overhead and Adam's like cool a dragon. And then Sea Smoke like hit the U-turn and Adam's like oh no.
Speaker 3:It's interesting that it's his brother, his half-brother too.
Speaker 1:Yep, it's like the dinosaur meme with the meteor coming down. That meteor looks cool. I'm getting kind of close over there the dragon's coming.
Speaker 2:You looking at me and I also love the scene with Adam and Rhaenyra. Rhaenyra rocks up and she's like you off that dragon now and Adam's like whoa whoa.
Speaker 1:I don't know what's going on. I just became a dragon rider. Like an hour ago this dragon found me and she's like whoa, whoa, whoa. I don't know what's going on. I just became a dragon rider. Like an hour ago this dragon found me, yeah. And she's like well, get off. Yeah, get off.
Speaker 2:He's like I'm cool, it's fine, I'm yours, what do you mean for me? And Muneer's like huh, you called me the queen. Keep the dragon. It's on the house. Targaryen, put it on my tab, um, and I also think it's really interesting like adam's whole thing, with corliss too.
Speaker 2:Adam also, he has like twice removed inferiority, sure, because he was like we're mean, like he's looking at alan, he's like yeah, we're both bastards, but like corliss at least acknowledges you. Like I get nothing until I get a dragon and corliss was like my son yeah, my sons.
Speaker 1:Look at my sons, look at you, my beautiful sons.
Speaker 3:I thought he was going to say something to Rhaenyra. Yeah, that's my son, I think it was purposeful.
Speaker 1:He's like there's a war to be fought. We can't have more family, my brother's dead. We can't have more of that.
Speaker 2:I can't have that yeah true, I guess that rounds out Because the rest of Rhaenyra's team is like minor characters we didn't even talk about the Sir Eric and Sir Eric, we'll get there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we will. We can talk about them now.
Speaker 2:Man rough Poor guys. Again, they're kind of like an avenue into like none of this matters except for the families involved, like these two just happen to be twins that just fell on opposite sides of the Civil War. Exactly, it's the Civil War just happened to be twins that just fell on opposite sides of the civil war.
Speaker 1:Exactly, it's the civil war thing, it's. And again, man, I don't know who get kind of thrown into again. I don't know who cooked up that kristen cole monologue from the last episode, but everything keeps tying back to that piece of like. You're telling me. These two brothers that loved each other their entire lives just so happened to fall on what like a coin flip side, and now you know they're both dead because of this.
Speaker 1:What was each other they killed each other, like, what was the point of any of this? For a prank, for a prank. It wasn't a scheme, brother, brother, insane. What a fight too. That was actually a good. That was a solid choreographed fight as well, too.
Speaker 2:The show, when the show is on, the show was on technically well, I think I told you that I you that I felt that fight more than I felt the mountain and the hound fight from Game of Thrones. There was more to it. You could feel their emotion Well, it was sad.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the mountain. And what's his name? The hound. That was more like we hated the mountain.
Speaker 2:Because he was a zombie.
Speaker 3:But both those twin brothers, I mean they were both yeah, like you guys said, they were on either side, but they were both great guys. They loved each other.
Speaker 1:They were loyal. That's the only death sentence that they signed was loyalty. It just so happened that they had to, you know, find loyalty to a side.
Speaker 2:But it didn't matter. And because Kristen Cole went on a power trip yeah, kristen, and a guilt trip, yeah, like you prove your honor to me and go.
Speaker 3:Oh, I hated that scene.
Speaker 2:Go kill Rhaenyra.
Speaker 3:He's such an asshole. He's the worst.
Speaker 2:He's the worst. He was an asshole. He was like your cloak's dirty. How dare you and Sir Eric's like? Are you serious? I did like those other Kingsguard guys and they're just like whoop, we gotta go, man, we should have breakfast.
Speaker 1:Let's end on the greatest of all time.
Speaker 2:Matt Smith, damon Targaryen what a journey he was, on Whatever arc you thought he was going on wrong, wrong, absolutely wrong.
Speaker 1:Whatever you thought he was going to do, no one can prepare you for it. You thought he was going to be some hidden Caraxes each week in the sky, doing crimes, doing crimes, a couple fights here and there, Going to a brothel here, nope.
Speaker 2:Episode one was promising yeah episode one was promising, he's back to his season one schemes.
Speaker 1:Again. He put his hoodie on. I was like, here we go. Oh yeah, gold Cloaks unite. It didn't matter. Nope, guess what he's doing this season? He's Luigi from Mario's Haunted Mansion.
Speaker 2:He's going on a trip Disney World Haunted, mansion Haunted. So, uh, episode two rolls around. He, he, I love that man. That scene, the scene was hilarious, it was unassuming. I don't know how, I don't know if it was supposed to be hilarious, but that scene, when they're all sitting at the table and they're like, oh, who could have done this to? Like they're like reneara, did you, did you kill the baby? And reneara was like what? Like why would I kill a baby? Like why?
Speaker 1:would I do anything I just lost my son? Like why would I ever a baby? Like why would I do anything to Helena? I just lost my son? Like why would I ever do this?
Speaker 2:And then everyone just starts looking around and then Rhaenys shoots a look at Daemon. Daemon shoots a look at Rhaenyra. Rhaenyra shoots a look back to Daemon and then it cuts. Daemon's like hmm. And then Rhaenyra's like wait, you did this Look. To be fair, I said Aemond.
Speaker 1:He goes, not my fault. Blood and cheese are idiots. Does that seem like my problem?
Speaker 2:Once I let that fly, it's out of my hands. I'm sorry, but look, I didn't think the kid was going to get decapitated. And then Rene was like you're going to go make this right. You're going to go to Harrenhal and you're gonna reunite the Riverlands and Daemon's like fine. He thinks this is gonna be a boring post in Harrenhal.
Speaker 1:Nope he gets it, it's spooky time. Yep, it is spooky time. Let's do a horror season. Actually, he gets to Harrenhal it sucks it does, it's raining, it's raining.
Speaker 2:It's raining all the time. Anyone who's ever watched Game of Thrones, all the characters in Game of Thrones are like Harrenhal sucks. Tywin Lannister gives Littlefinger Harrenhal at one point and Littlefinger's like Harrenhal sucks and Tywin's like I know. That's why I'm giving it to you, Littlefinger, you know why? Because you suck. So he gets to Harrenhal and my guy, sir simon strong, is just there, him and three of his closest friends.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's his only friends. They've been there for they've been sitting in those same seats for 40 years. They haven't moved from those seats. They've been sitting there for years.
Speaker 2:And damon's like you're larry strong's uncle right. And he's like, yeah, but larry strong sucks, yep, he killed everybody here. And damon's like that's off the record though. And simon's like come on, it always rains here.
Speaker 1:How can there be a?
Speaker 2:fire. Exactly. Damon's like all right, well, call the River Lords, I'm doing it, I'm getting an army. He's like you don't want to eat first, we're just chilling. Nope, we're hanging out. Get me the River Lords staff. He's like no Caraxes is up there. Can we go now? First night he sleeps at Harrenhal. He meets Alice Rivers. For those of you who thought Melisandre was weird, it just got weirder. It got way weirder.
Speaker 1:You know why it's weirder Because she's much more subtle about it. She's just like this place is kind of weird. She's so upfront about it.
Speaker 2:You spent like three episodes going. Is she real Right?
Speaker 3:I feel like her accent threw me off too, just in that universe, mm-hmm. Yeah, she just sounded like she wasn't from there Because maybe she wasn't Maybe she was a figment of his imagination.
Speaker 2:He's having all sorts of visions. He's like you're Millie Alcock from season one. Remember when we hooked up? That was weird. But Alice Rivers is like Damon, I got some things to show you, but you're not ready. Yeah, yep, damon's like what does that mean? It doesn't matter, he's seeing Amon as himself. It's getting weird and episode after episode, you're just like what is happening. Surely he's going to get back into the main plot, Nope yeah it was a little much Right, episode four.
Speaker 2:I'm like, all right, come on like I want season one, damien and you get it a little bit when he, when he he cooks up some schemes, he gets uh, he gets old blackwood to to rape and murder a bunch of people. And again, once again, he's confronted by this and he's like, look, I told him to go handle it.
Speaker 1:I didn't think he was gonna do that right and then the next week happens and he's still there and you're like he's leaving soon, right? He's like nope, he corrects these two is like he's we're going right. He's like buddy, I got some things to handle here. Don't just just get comfy.
Speaker 2:He tries to bully young oscar tully and then oscar tully turns into a warmonger later it was crazy good character arc for oscar tully too yeah, it was the most subtle small character arc ever.
Speaker 1:Oscar tully's like I'm a little green for this, I don't know if I can. I'm a young kid, I don't know what he's doing. Then they get to the finale and oscar tully's like I'm him, I'm him actually wait. Am I the wait? This is mine, right, like I can do whatever I want, I'm in charge. Wait a second, I don't have to answer that but dam.
Speaker 2:But Damon gets humbled this whole time he's getting humbled. He's trying to cook up schemes.
Speaker 1:He's like a dad on a Saturday morning. He's like we're fixing Harrenhal. He's like dad, I want to just hang out. We're fixing Harrenhal, we're going to have fun.
Speaker 2:The schemes keep backfiring. He's like I'm going to unite the Riverlands and the Riverlords are like.
Speaker 1:Damon's probably sitting there. He's like why does nobody want to do anything?
Speaker 2:he's like because we're comfy even that one scene where he confronts the black, the bracken guy, the bracken guy, and he's like you can swear fealty to me or you can burn and the guy's like yeah, but he doesn't even say like you don't see what the guy says, it just cuts to Damon and he's sitting there and he's like huh, that usually works.
Speaker 2:Like he's like talking to William Blackwood and he's like I didn't think they'd be so eager to die, like what the usually when I threaten people with the dragon fire, they just do whatever I want. And William Blackwood's like the river lords are built different, my friend jokes on you.
Speaker 1:They want to die. They've been waiting for, and then he ends up beheading William Blackwood, which is kind of funny yeah that surprised me.
Speaker 3:I didn't see that Shout out Oscar Tully.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's like you want to prove your loyalty. Like this guy ruined a bunch of houses. Like behead him. And William Blackwood's like surely we got a. Yeah, we're good, we're like, we like have a thing right. And Damon's like I don't do friends. Yeah, this sword though this sword gets some action. You're about to meet dark sister. I love david, I love him so much because, like, oh, he's the best.
Speaker 1:A lesser actor could not pull this off where, like you, get taken out of the main plot of like a show that's arguably your top three most important character his name's first on the building right, exactly and like his name is first there's.
Speaker 1:You can throw you know a litany of other good to great actors that there and they would. They would fall at that like but like. I was invested each week because it was matt smith. I was like I gotta see what he's up to. When you look at this as a comedy bit instead of an actual piece of the plot, it's much funnier, it's much better. He was. He was just building the house at some point. He was actually building the house.
Speaker 2:It was great. Yeah, I don't know. I mean obviously because we watched Game of Thrones. It was giving Arya and the House of Black and White a little bit.
Speaker 3:I felt like oh yeah, we talked about that.
Speaker 2:Where you're like. What's the end result of?
Speaker 3:this. Yeah, it has to mean something and you know.
Speaker 2:But then again that goes back to like the strength of the finale is like I feel like it did, like I feel like absolutely every one of those visions ended up meaning something and it kind of like again like the final vision was like the nail, like where he was, like I, I see it now, I get it, and that's why I loved the finale.
Speaker 3:Um, just for doing that, you know where it's like. This all makes sense now. I think a bunch of those stories kind of came to a close like for a season three.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like he had his, and then I loved it. Like I said before, we hopped on. Like he mastered the spookiness of Harrenhal To the point where, like Sir Alfred comes up and he starts hearing voices, like did you hear that? And Damon was like, hey, it's Harrenhal man, you get used to it. And then did you ever think he would turn on Rhaenyra? Because I didn't. I never bought into that.
Speaker 3:No, I don't think so, because even from season one we all knew he wanted to rule and be king, but I didn't think he would end up doing that.
Speaker 2:I didn't think so either. I never really bought into that idea Because I felt like the whole point of his dream sequences was like him confronting all of that. So I guess they tried to do like a little bait and switch at the end, with Sir Alfred Cullen being like you should be the king and I guess you're supposed to think like is he going to do it? But like I don't know, I never even going back to, like season one.
Speaker 1:I don't think I never thought In a funny way. He's always been somewhat, you know he's been rebellious against her, but he's always been somewhat submissive to raniera, to a, to a point, to like a, to to a solid point. Not a hundred percent, but he's like, he listens, like he's into a point and he listened to the finale for sure. He was just like. You know what he basically says my bad, my bad on that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean him bowing to her is a huge thing because, you know, I think, I think his, his submissiveness to her was also like, without him realizing he was being submissive, so like for him to willingly get down on a knee and and swear fealty to her was like that was the, that was the payoff in front of all that and it's also that's his brother's daughter too.
Speaker 1:Like that's still this as much, as, whatever him and his brother went through, he loves, he loves his brother. I don't care what anybody says, he still loves him to the end of the day, to the end of time. So, as proxy through that, like I love you, I love you and I love you, you know what I mean. Like I, I still care for you and like I would not do that to you no, it was just his anger.
Speaker 3:You know like, even when they're arguing, before he goes to harrenhal, he he says he's doing this for you and I think he's angry. Her counsel how they're like Rhaenyra, we need action and Damien feels that way, so he's like I should rule myself, but I never thought he was going to ultimately go that route, even though he was mad and seemed like he was.
Speaker 2:And it goes back to season one too, when he was mad at Viserys for listening to everyone but him when he was mad at Viserys for listening to everyone but him.
Speaker 2:Where you know, viserys is like I tried to make you the king of the head of this and the head of this and it never works. And Daemon's like because I'm the only one that knows what's going on, like I'm the only one, I'm the one I should be your hand, and like you never asked me to be intention, to like, maybe deep down, like his intention was to be king, but like at the same, I think he just wanted to be heard yeah, it was viserys, I think should have.
Speaker 1:I know daemon's reckless sometimes, but, um, I think viserys should have listened to him more for sure, yes, just made the point a lot of why daemon and daemon are all in that collision. They're the same, they're two halves of the same coin. That's all they wanted. They're the little brothers. They're playing the little brother syndrome and they can't get away from it. So unfortunately, there's only one little brother in this realm, because Luke died, yeah.
Speaker 2:And their names are the same too, yeah, and I think that one vision that he, that one vision he had, is very telling where he thinks he's following amand vision when he's following amand, like through harrenhal, and then amand turns around and it's him yeah, like wearing amand's costume yeah, was that jarring for you?
Speaker 1:that was a bit jarring for me.
Speaker 2:I was like what the um, yeah, I mean that that pretty much puts it I mean, and then rainis, I mean we have to talk about Rhaenys to wrap things up.
Speaker 1:Phenomenal.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, we forgot.
Speaker 1:Strong. She's Sarah Connor level, ripley level. She's just, she's the best. You want to talk about the ideology of standing on business? That's Rhaenys, the queen who never was. The queen who never was yeah, she was so, but it's mental as well and she's very she's very philosophical on top of that too. Like she, she understands the, she understands the game of thrones that they're playing and she understands the only way to play this game is to maybe not to play to an extent like maybe this is not what we need to do. And like it comes from the first episode, like damon's like all right, we out, let's go. She's like I'm tired, I'm gonna go take a nap. And he's like you know'm tired, I'm going to go take a nap. And he's like you know we're fighting a war, right?
Speaker 2:She's like okay, Well, he says, your king commands it yeah she's like if you find him, you let me know.
Speaker 1:You let me know, because it's not you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, and then just that, like to your point about the episode four, where it works, rest like, that's like.
Speaker 1:I never felt a moment more than when she gets up, like at the table, and she's like I will meet cole in the field.
Speaker 2:I'm like, oh yeah, and then she has that, that moment with maylise, like before they go out, and you're just like you know something, you had a bad feeling yeah, you know something and you get the feeling that like she also kind of knew it.
Speaker 1:Yeah when she, when she tightened her her grip and she tightened her harness, I was was like, oh yeah, you're unfortunately strapped into the end.
Speaker 2:And that moment where Sunfire goes down and she kind of looks at Vhagar and she's just like I kind of got to take a shot, Yep.
Speaker 1:You know what it does too. I got to show everybody that Vhagar isn't indestructible. If it's just me and I did this, imagine what a couple of us can do for this.
Speaker 3:Like her sacrifice revealed, you know the truth about everything yeah, like part of me wishes, she just flew away because her dragon's the fastest, I think yeah um, but I understand why she went back to again.
Speaker 1:She's the. Not only is she the queen that never was, she's the queen of standing on business, yeah she's, she's a badass, she's awesome.
Speaker 2:And you know, I think a lot of things go through her head in that moment, and one of which Damon directly confronts her on in episode two, I think it was, or one when he goes like hey, like if you had rocked up and torched them on the set, like we wouldn't be here. So I think part of her was also like this is my chance, like a tone for that, and like I think I said to both of you, at different points, like if she kills vagar there, the war is over.
Speaker 2:Yep, yeah whereas, like she, you know, as I think she did, feel her self-importance but also like the scales of which, like she probably feels like if vagar dies, the war is over. If I die, I think she had enough faith in raniera to still be able to pull through.
Speaker 1:Well, that's like I said. It's like the line from Iron man 2. Like, if you make God bleed, do they cease to exist, like I made Vhagar bleed. At the very least, I showed like this is not an impossible task and I think how it's going to play for Vhagar. I think Vhagar at some point is going to be like I'm done.
Speaker 3:Like of years, like I feel bad for I'm sick of this old girl I mean, that's the oldest dragon, I think, yep, she's.
Speaker 1:Like I'm just, I'm done. Like I've I've seen war like war, war never changes. Like war never changes. Like I don't know how many different houses are going to come to power, how many different times are going to turn over kings and queens, like doesn't matter, I've just, I'm always just going to be here just to fight for people that would not care about me otherwise.
Speaker 3:So intense thoughts for a dragon too well, yeah, like for the dragons, I know they go by what their riders telling them to do.
Speaker 1:They're loyal, but I'm sure the dragons have love for each other right and I, you know, and that's my point, I think that vegar is like I'm. I'm sick of this, like well, that's the thing too.
Speaker 2:is, you know, fast forwarding, like where we think season three is going to go? Obviously, the Damon and Eamon thing is going to happen. But more importantly than that, in season one there's that opening I forget which episode it is, but of Damon and what was his wife's name.
Speaker 3:Oh, I forget Corliss's daughter.
Speaker 2:I forget what it was.
Speaker 3:Oh, I thought you meant his other wife.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no. The one that she killed herself, lena, yeah, lena. Like they have that that moment together where it's caraxes and vega are kind of like playing together, yeah, and now, yeah, inevitably caraxes and vega are gonna have to fight each other. So I think that, like to your point about the dragons, like they have these bonds, like the dragons have bonds together, you know, and you know, sometimes I feel like they don't necessarily see their riders, like they just kind of see each other. So, like, as much as damon and amon want to fight each other, like caraxes and vagar are inevitably gonna have to fight each other, you know, I'm gonna fight you now that's the saddest thing to me in the show just the dragons killing each other and these poor love the tools, that's that.
Speaker 1:But they're beings like but, and again, they're the closest thing. It's what kristen could like. They're the closest thing to gods that we have and like. We're using them as tools like we're men. We should not be playing god in this, but we are, and there's no bad.
Speaker 3:Well, I was gonna say, like with veneer, using all the dragons. That to me too it's like you're risking all the dragons lives, like you can't just save three of them who don't have to ride to war. That can just, you know.
Speaker 1:I mean to your point earlier too like you said, it's like as much as alicent feels desperate. That's the most desperation call that raniera ever could have made, ever could have hoped, possibly, that any king or queen has ever made in westeros. At that point, like the point to sacrifice every single one of your dragons, and, like we keep saying, alf might make that switch and be like either I'm out or I'm going to join. See that big dragon in the sky. I'm joining the biggest dragon in the sky.
Speaker 2:And then to your point about seeing the dragons as weapons. There's one Targaryen in history who understood that that's not true and that's Daenerys. Daenerys, you know, you're right. You know daenerys views them as her children. You know, yeah, for as much as you know these other dragons in this show love, you know their mounts like none of them really speak about their dragons that way. Maybe rainis is the closest. Like she had a bond with meleese, but they were, meleese was also a war dragon, so like they kind of had that like bond of like mutually. Like we're go-getters, we're fighters, but like daenerys is truly the only one who spoke about the dragons with any sort of reverence, you know, and she was very hesitant to ever put them in any type of peril until she felt like she had no choice john snow you know.
Speaker 2:So I think that's that's also very interesting that, like daenerys, is the one that really saw you know her bond with her dragons as truly familial instead of using them as as tools.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely and that's the, that's house of the dragon season two yeah, I mean it's a lot of ramp up, it's a lot of you know, set up for season three, um, but I think in a great way, um, I know the showrunner, ryan condal, has said season three is going to be total war and you get that vibe, um in the finale of those closing minutes of of everyone basically mounting up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, yeah, it has to be. At this point they went through that beginning stage of war, how it's going to go down.
Speaker 2:So like you see the starts like starks are marching south, like they've crossed the Starks, have crossed the twins, so like they're right on the doorstep of entering this, like everyone's like. Everyone's right where they need to be, like there's no more. It doesn't feel like there's any more politicking. Everyone, you know, tylan, lannister and the triarchy are literally sailing towards Corlys and the Valarion fleet, like that's literally about to happen. And then the Starks are marching. Daemon's army is camped and ready to go. So I just think season three is going to probably be very sad. Sure, I think a lot of major players are probably going to get checked off the board. Any predictions as far as characters?
Speaker 3:I mean, I think the only obvious one is Aemond and Daemon, but I wonder how soon that's going to happen.
Speaker 2:I can see that being a Ruxrest-esque midseason.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, it's obviously going to happen.
Speaker 1:Because it's too good to be true to do that in a finale. Because I think I also think that Rhaenyra is going to get on her dragon and she's going to do what she's always wanted to do Like she's going to finally, you know, to do what she's always wanted to do, like she's going to finally. You know it's almost kind of like in. I mean, the point I'll make before I get into that is I hope all they need to do is just do in part one and do in part two this. It's going to solidify why this season still was good.
Speaker 1:In my opinion, this still is a good season. Uh, much to a bunch of people's chagrin, like, if you can make season three like we are going to do this war and like season two, it's to make this season so much better. By the end, like as long as by the end of season three, you can say that this season will be much more. You know it's much more solidified and much more validated. But you know, prediction wise, obviously we're going to get this fight between Eamon and Damon no-transcript of what her father was, and you know much more to agon than she ever thought she would be yeah, also too.
Speaker 3:Just talking about season two, I think everyone was mad about game of thrones season what seven and eight, because it was rushed. I think they did a nice job of not rushing it and actually showing each character and how things are going. So I feel like we shouldn't complain about that, because we were already complaining like, hey, game of thrones, you rushed, it should have done an extra season. Well, hey, now they're doing that. And now season three, we'll see that.
Speaker 1:You know that big war I mean it's the point that we always talk about of. Like you know, I it's called my series finale thing or my season or series finale thing, where people don't like the thing because it's over and like people wanted certain things. Like if you go in no expectation, you'll be fine because you want the war and it's fine to not have the war this in this finale because the setup is so sweet. Like the setup, like they checked every box for the setup, like everybody and they gave us a big fight.
Speaker 2:They did, we did get it. Yeah, yeah, they gave us rough rest, which is like phenomenal christ, like an incredible episode, like you know. So I think you know now if they're gonna give us what they're gonna give us, even more so, and I think you know prediction wise, I think. I think I agree with Jace.
Speaker 1:Like I said he's on his Robb Stark arc and it's also the stuff with Bela as well too. Like him and Bela's relationship with each other are also like you know, he's got his girl. Like he's finally becoming, like this heir is getting more apparent. He's truthfully becoming the heir apparent. Like I can get to the point of like and again, like raniera's greatest fear comes true of, like her son that she did get the chance to raise and did get the chance to see through. Like he doesn't make it out of this. But just like I said, I I hope raniera just gets thrown off the deep end. Like mentally, like she. It's like almost like the physical deterioration of viserys turns into the mental deterioration of raniera would be an interesting parallel yeah, I could see that happening yeah yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 3:Many people are going to die oh yeah, kristen Cole First episode. He's going to die.
Speaker 1:It would be such more sweet if he just lives his whole life and he has to see this war play out this whole time. That would be such a better send-off for him. He has to watch this whole thing. Try to tell y'all.
Speaker 3:I think that's ultimately what allison's destiny is oh yeah, I don't think she's gonna die is gonna witness everything.
Speaker 2:She's gonna, I think, like become the person that she says she wants to be like obscure, you know, falling back, fading to history, like but at the same time, I think she's gonna be haunted by losing all of these people that she loved, like I don't. I think she's going to be one of the last ones standing, but she's not going to have any.
Speaker 3:She's just going to be miserable and grieving.
Speaker 2:I don't think she's going to have any power, or say I think she's destined to lose her children, she's destined to lose her father, she's going to lose Rhaenyra and I think she's just going to be alone. This was fun, guys. This was. Yeah, this was fun, guys. This was.
Speaker 1:Should we give out our specific awards? Yeah, we can loop you in on this.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:This is our fun bit at the end where we give out Project Infinite specific awards. So we have five. I should have cooked up a sixth one just for Game of Thrones slash House of the Dragon.
Speaker 2:But we have the Hugh Jackman. Is he him, she her or they them award? Their presence, of their presence alone, carries them through the show um, I mean, I'll start.
Speaker 1:It's reynise. I think it's easily reynise, like. Like I said, she's the queen that stood on business. It's a much better title that. That's what he should have named the ship actually corliss um, man, that's a good reynise, is a good one.
Speaker 2:Um, I'm gonna say jace, jace, yep. It's like there was that one scene where he, like renear, comes in. He's like where have you been? I'm like whoa, look at this kid. He's standing on business right now like he might be he might be the future him.
Speaker 1:Yep, that's pretty good. Yeah, who you got I?
Speaker 3:don't know. Can I say damon?
Speaker 1:that's fine. Is that fine?
Speaker 3:that's good, yeah, why I mean, I just think he's just the star I don't know, know he's him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that actually might be the best point you know, that's good.
Speaker 3:He could hold his own show.
Speaker 2:The power of Matt Smith got Damon through that Harrenhal sequence.
Speaker 1:That's pretty good, the A24 Let the Creator Cook Award. So this is basically like what point of the show where you were like this show itself?
Speaker 2:like technically sound like technically storytelling wise, like why is this so, why was this bit beat so good, or this bit, or like this scene so good um go ahead.
Speaker 3:No, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, okay, I'll go it's the, it's the rook's rest battle for me, like I was just mesmerized like we had never even in thrones.
Speaker 2:We never got a dragon sequence like that before, like um, what is it who doesn't? I think it was the Battle of Long Night. I think those two dragons end up fighting a bit the Night King's resurrected dragon, and then I think it's Rhaegal and Viserion end up fighting, but it's yeah, it's pretty brief, whereas like this you get Melis and Sunfire, you get Vhagar and Melis and it's just like. This is like a fantasy novel, like literally come to life yeah, it's pretty good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I feel like I kind of agree it's tough not to.
Speaker 1:That was a good one, it's tough not to agree with that one. I mean that, like you said, outside thinking like again, or inside looking out, like, in terms you know how, like it's the real world, thinking of things of like we know we're watching a television show, like thinking about it, like that it's insane that they pulled that off Like we've. How'd they get those dragons up in the sky? Like that.
Speaker 1:I mean, the CGI is great, the visual effects are incredible, Like and again, the performance sells it too, and it's not. It's funny enough. It's not just the performance of the actors, it's the performance of the dragons, as well, are pretty good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean the animation when, like Vhagar like clasps Melys and Melys kind of like, looks back at Rhaenys, like kind of like a, like a ah, if we're going to go out, like we tried, I'm sorry, yeah, like I. You know, I gave it my all and then R just takes it. At that moment they both resign to it. You feel it, you really feel it.
Speaker 1:I'm actually going to pick a different one. It's the full commit to Harrenhal, into the spooky nature of Harrenhal that I'm in. At first I was like everybody else. I was like why are we wasting our time with this? After two, three episodes I got to the last episode. I was like this is a comedy. This is this is a. This is a horror comedy. Hilarious side quest that I just wasn't ready for and I'm freaking in. I don't care. This is this is great I agree fun.
Speaker 1:You have a different one. Are you gonna agree with uh with episode four.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna probably agree with. Episode four works for us.
Speaker 1:This good stuff I just I remember that episode had the internet on fire, literally just just like much like Agon. The internet was on fire, so that was a low blow, my bad. This is a dual award for this one, so it's two in one. It's the John David Washington can they act? You have to ask the question can this person act? And then it's the Denzel Washington oh, they can act. Award yeah. So if you're asking if they can't act award, yeah.
Speaker 2:So if you're asking if they can act, you're like I'm not sure, yep, like it feels like there's something there, but I'm not 100% sure. And then, like the Denzel Washington Award is like oh no, like this is undeniable, right, my undeniable one. I'm just going to start there because it's easier. I'm going to say Evan Darcy, okay.
Speaker 3:You stole, he stole mine.
Speaker 1:So yeah, that's the Denzel watch. They can't act. There's no question. They can act, yeah, just again, the facial.
Speaker 2:Everyone on the show is great at facial acting. Emma Darcy was just taking it to the next level, where you feel the rage or whatever that character is feeling, to your point about the blank stares. Every one of those blank stares had an emotion on it. It had a thousand words behind no dialogue. The childbirth scene Yep, stairs, like, had an emotion. I had a thousand words beside no dialogue scene yep, childbirth scenes. And then, like those, those they gave I think they gave raniera more one-on-one interactions with different characters, more than any other character.
Speaker 2:Like she had scenes with damon, she has scenes with massaria, rainice, like, and I think that's just jace, oh my god yeah that first scene when, when he comes back from from the twins and and he's like choking up, like trying to like they're both, oh yeah yeah, that's when they're both grieving but like he's trying to come back to her with like actual news, and then they kind of just like again, because I thought about it when I saw it.
Speaker 1:I was just like this is interesting. I was like, wow, they, they haven't reconciled. Losing luke, like he lost the brother, she lost the son, like they haven't been able to. You know, again, that's the, that's the danger of war, like so many things get lost in translation. I'm so glad they like it's important to grieve, like it is important, like they finally got a second, just to be like. You know, I'm glad I have you in my arms because I can't have my other son. But we will remember them and this is what we're doing this for.
Speaker 1:So yeah it's a good point. Um, I'm going to go. My, can they act? It's funny. I'm going to go to Bela because I'm going to go to Bela with the conceit that you don't get the her and Corliss scene later in the season. If I didn't know about that, I would have 100% said her, but my, they can't act. I'm going with Patty. Constantine again Literally came back and I was like oh yeah, my hand's back and yeah, just in what, how many, how much screen?
Speaker 2:time did he have not much couple minutes.
Speaker 1:Total three episodes, yeah and he was just phenomenal. He's such a good mirror to them too and it's like, again, like, and then you remember back. He's just like man, times were better when he was there.
Speaker 3:Like he really did have such a presence, man yep yeah, what do you got? I mean, I'm gonna um Agon's actor. I just think he's phenomenal.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:I just think the episode after his son died was just. His acting was phenomenal. His anger his grief. You know everything. Um, I don't think anyone acts bad in that show. I'm trying to think of who? You know nobody.
Speaker 2:I'm going to take Raina.
Speaker 3:I don't know yet. Yeah, we don't see much of her. I feel like she has like two lines and that's the.
Speaker 1:Thing.
Speaker 3:It's a question. Oh, I see, okay, so it's a question. Yeah, it's the most ambiguous award ever. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, I was between her and Masaria.
Speaker 3:Sure, sure, Well she's a good actress, I think.
Speaker 1:But I don't know for sure, we don't know, we don't know we don't know for sure it feels like it.
Speaker 1:And then our last, our last, but certainly one of our favorites, one of the new ones, the Glenn Powell movie star award. Who's this like? Who just is like, put that person on the front of the marketing week in, week out? Can this is yeah, three, two, one. Matt Smith yeah, there's no. Like I said earlier, you put him on a b side quest this whole season out of nowhere and I said, like I said, you throw a bunch of other actors there. I wouldn't have cared less.
Speaker 2:I was going back to see matt smith get on a week after week and I was freaking in and it's a testament to how good he is on the show that, like every week, you thought like this is the week he's coming back he's getting out? Yep, every week. I think I texted you every week. I'm like is this the? Week he finally gets out of harrenhal and he was just there the whole season, correct?
Speaker 1:he was certainly asking that each week he's like is he getting out this week?
Speaker 3:and he's like no, no, he's not yeah, like if damien ends up dying in season three, I just I hope season four, can you know, stand without him? I think it will, but he's just so impactful I think in it. Yeah, I agree, what was?
Speaker 2:evident from episode four last season, the crab feeder episode, where he doesn't say a word, the whole episode. It's just his presence alone commands the entire episode. Remember last season, when he was just reading that?
Speaker 1:note. And then he beat that guy up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was like this is the, was just reading that note and then he beat that guy up. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I was like this is the coolest guy in the galaxy and then he cut the crab feeder in half. Yeah that was crazy. That episode is nuts and that's the thrones and what happened.
Speaker 2:The fucking stepstones are still a problem. He cut the crab feeder in half just for the stepstones if I hear about the steps one more time, I'm gonna lose it and that's house of the dragon season two.
Speaker 1:You know it was a good the, the black, the brackens in the in the blackwoods right yeah, what about? Them just the, the, the little beef they had, and the it's those, it's those kids that oh my god, you know what that reminded me of that reminded me of the outsiders. For whatever reason, they just pulled up and they're like I hate you because you're on that side of the fence.
Speaker 2:But it's such a crazy sequence because it's just this petty squabble and then a smash cut to thousands of people dying.
Speaker 1:And you're like what. They basically looked at each other and said you're kind of mid, and then you're like, no, you're kind of mid. And then a thousand people died in the subsequent battle. It's insane. Shouldn't have been running your mouth. It's insane, shouldn't have been running your mouth. Johnny was running his mouth the whole time. We know about it. No spoilers. We know about this. Now they released all the pictures. Final thoughts no, it's perfect, I nailed it.
Speaker 2:Nope, that's how you know. We had a good discussion. Nope, when you go.
Speaker 3:Final thoughts we covered everything.
Speaker 2:When you go final thoughts, thoughts and you're just like not nope, we did it. Um, man, that amon damon thing is gonna be whenever I hope they like, I hope they do what they did, like rook's rest, where it's like the two of them like gearing up and you know, you just know they're gonna have some type of conversation and they're like you and am, and Amon's gonna be like I always admired you, you're me, I'm me. He says it's like they're gonna have some confrontation where Amon's like I always admired you, uncle, and Damon's gonna be like we don't care, who are you again, which one are you?
Speaker 3:You know he's gonna say something snippy like that which one are you, which one of my?
Speaker 2:brothers, cunts are you? He's gonna say to him, and then that's gonna really rhyme and up he said.
Speaker 1:He said, buddy, you think you look strong, you have an eye patch.
Speaker 3:He said no, I'm the upgrade I think his eye patch is cool, I do. I think he looks, I do appreciate that.
Speaker 1:they just went full villain oh yeah, yeah, yeah, when they're just like give him an eyepatch. Yeah, give him an eyepatch in Vhagar.
Speaker 2:He's not a good guy and give him a weird featureless face Right. Yep, he's got that weird. Give him the walk, give him that little sway, walk to him and he's got that smirk where he's like oh Right, bad guy, bad guy, amon, damon is definitely gonna like I already know like he's gonna say something to him that just triggers Amon, picks him off. Yeah, yeah, like he like cause Damon's gonna know like the one thing that could piss Amon off is like pretend he's irrelevant, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:He's gonna be like ah, this is going to be easy. I thought your brother was coming to fight me.
Speaker 2:This is easy. He said, no worries. You thought getting your eye cut out by a toddler was bad. Who's a toddler?
Speaker 1:man Come on.
Speaker 2:How'd you get your eye cut out by the lesser Valarian kid? Right, exactly, valarian. You know I can't wait. That is no. Valarian. You know I can't wait, that is no true Valarian.
Speaker 1:He's actually still him. Yeah, he is. We need to rename the war. Oh, that's what I thought I was going to say before about Harwin.
Speaker 3:I wish we saw that love story.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we were talking about that earlier. Yeah, that would have been nice.
Speaker 1:It would have been cool if Vaemon Velaryon was in one of Daemon's visions, but he just doesn't need to be there. It would be much funnier. He's like what are you doing here?
Speaker 2:He's just like your children are bastards Like just at the end.
Speaker 1:Daemon's like mine aren't. Mine are fine, I don't get it, look man. Look's like mine aren't.
Speaker 2:Mine are fine, I don't get it. Look man, Look man. I'm just a vision, I'm just a vision.
Speaker 1:They gave me a script and I'm reading it, but I'm cooking with the script. I heard everyone was doing guest appearances, so I'm back. Justice for the Vaemon Valarian character. I want more.
Speaker 2:Give me spinoff show immortal, immortal. This is an immortal. I can really. This is one of our best bits. I told you we're gonna do a whole podcast episode just on that scene.
Speaker 3:Yep yeah, that was wild, that was insane he was right too.
Speaker 1:He was right. The point is, listen, he got the script the morning of and like, obviously he's a c character in the show, cd character in the show and show and he goes. Wait, am I going to get to main character energy? He's like, I'm not. He called his agent. He goes. I'm not going to waste this one, I'm going to get some roles after this.
Speaker 2:My favorite thing is just re-watching that scene and just seeing all the people in the back room.
Speaker 1:Helena still has the best reaction.
Speaker 2:Oh man.
Speaker 1:Eamon's Amen's, just like my uncle's kind of cool. I'm not going to lie. All right, uncle, I wasn't familiar with your game before this. That's my bad. He can keep his tongue. He can keep his tongue. He's like, that's all I'm here for, no need. Read some socials man.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, follow us on Twitter at Project INF underscore pod. Follow us on Facebook YouTube. Now I still gotta remember to work that one in Instagram At the Project Infinite pod Next week.
Speaker 1:I haven't thought that far. Maybe we're gonna start doing some yeah, we'll do some reviews of some things.
Speaker 2:The Boys we gotta talk about the Acolyte, the Acolyte, x-men yes.
Speaker 1:We're gonna get you on for it.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, you're officially our go-to guest person now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I'll do the X-Men one Nice First episode. How are you feeling? Did you like it? Not yet.
Speaker 3:Too soon.
Speaker 2:Too soon, did you have fun, I got to watch the rest. Did you have fun?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was fun about the podcast. I know how'd you like being here, oh I thought you meant the movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, we were talking about before. That's me watching. Because I was like, oh it was good. X-men apocalypse. I can't wait for the takes that week. The takes are gonna be great god, I liked that movie x-men apocalypse yeah, nobody else did, and nobody else does yeah not even oxford isaac. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3:This thing sucks I mean, I watched it like three times that's more than the creators of that movie watched that movie.
Speaker 1:They actually didn't even watch it that many times. That's what.
Speaker 3:I thought you were talking about. I'm like, oh, not again.
Speaker 1:No but the podcast. You had fun.
Speaker 3:The podcast? Yes, of course. Thank you guys, Of course.
Speaker 1:Thanks for hopping on.
Speaker 2:The resident Game. We already talked about this.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we definitely should. I'm ready.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then we do an episode about the Thrones. I got so many thoughts on the Thrones.
Speaker 2:That might have to be like a three-parter.
Speaker 1:That might have to be broken down into some weeks. You might have to do like one to three, four to six and then seven, eight.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:The Night. King the Night.
Speaker 3:King, Not if they do a Robert's Rebellion which I robert's rebellion.
Speaker 1:This john snow show is still a thing. No, I think it was canceled. What's kit harrington? Why can't kit harrington just be in stuff? Why is he just? He's just not in anything anymore. He just, I know, chilling.
Speaker 2:It's insane maybe that's why they didn't show the night king. And in damon's vision, I thought the night king was weak. Um, you don't have to worry about him. The night king, all that hype, all that hype for that guy, for nothing, for nothing. That guy didn't do anything. No, he didn't. He didn't even get through the wall. No, he didn't. He needed a dragon to get through the wall. What was his plan if he didn't kill the dragon?
Speaker 3:yeah, I know, we talked about this how was he getting through the wall?
Speaker 1:I think he would have climbed. He would have just climbed and then delayed the whole thing Him climbing up there I don't know why is visually hilarious to me, because it's got to be like a bit when he's climbing up. It would be much funnier. Yeah, he has like a new school rock climbing kit with him. How do you get that? Where do you get that from? Where do you get that?
Speaker 2:from we got to go, man. Yeah, we got to go All Um, all right, man you have to do the bit twice now, do I yeah? Okay, so this is my bit where I sign off from me, yep.
Speaker 1:And then he bestows a character onto me, and then that's when I say you got to be real careful.
Speaker 3:Because, if you give me Corliss, then, but I'll also accept Corliss.
Speaker 2:What do I got to do? Nothing you have to. Just I'm at the mercy of this bit. I give you a character, I bestow upon you a character that you resonate with in my eyes.
Speaker 3:Great.
Speaker 2:Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad, sometimes it's bad, all right. Sometimes, it's morbid, all right, so we're done. We're done for this week. So from me and from the Careful Don't give me Jace.
Speaker 1:I feel it. I felt it coming. That's what it was going to be. I knew it. I just knew it. Am I that angsty?
Speaker 2:No, but I also. I mean, I want to do Adam a hole, but Go ahead, all right, I'm doing it. Nice, you didn't tell me to be careful From the Adam of Hole of the pod.
Speaker 3:I got it.
Speaker 2:And from the Helena Targaryen of the podcast Nice that's it.
Speaker 2:Am I in the background? You're still in the background. I don't know how to open the door. This is great. This is the best ending ever. Actually, I can't open the door. Rob, get over here. Get over here. This is the this in. Actually, this is great. This is the best ending ever. Actually, I can't open the door. Rob, get over here. Get over here. This is the best bit. Actually, hold on, courtney, fill the air time. Get over here, courtney, fill the air time, come on.
Speaker 1:What should I talk about? I can finally talk about Daredevil, because I don't have to be silenced about it. I also can't open it.
Speaker 2:This is incredible. Look at us.
Speaker 1:This is wonderful. Did you fill the air time? I tried to talk about Daredevil, because you won't give me the time to ever, so I tried to take that point Season one of Daredevil Incredible.
Speaker 2:I made you Helena Targaryen. Oh thank you See One for two.
Speaker 3:Because I'm a sweetie.
Speaker 1:Yes, well, I don't get that treatment all the time. One for two. One for two.
Speaker 3:Guest starring today.
Speaker 1:This is awesome. One for two, I'll take it. Yeah, this is the best sign-off we've ever had.
Speaker 2:It's up there. The one from a couple weeks ago was good, the Jonathan Majors yeah.
Speaker 1:I didn't purpose. What's his deal?
Speaker 2:we'll never know for sure we gotta go man yeah, that's it, we're done here. I did everything. Yes, alright, thank you for coming on of course it was a pleasure.
Speaker 1:You have to have a unique sign off yeah, he says peace.
Speaker 2:I say goodbye. You have to say something after, I guess after you go. Yeah, all right, guys. Um, we'll see you next week. Me and court will see you next week.
Speaker 1:Um, we'll see you again sometime, probably an x-men related thing, we'll get on all right, guys.
Speaker 2:We will see you next week. Goodbye peace.
