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135 - Shogun Dominates The Emmy's & Marvel vs DC Fantasy Showdown
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It’s VERSUS WEEK. What happens when you mix the exhilarating world of Marvel vs. Capcom with the dark, gritty universe of Injustice? Discover our dream Marvel vs. DC video game showdown and the epic battles we envision! We celebrate the return of the Marvel vs. Capcom fighting game collection and the community's efforts, especially Maximilian Dood, in reviving MVC2. We loosely argue about who’s team would win, but realistically, none of this matters! Plus, we dive into the recent Emmy wins, with a special nod to "The Bear" and its impact on modern storytelling. Timecodes are provided if you want to skip around to your topic of choice! Thank you to everyone who continues to support and don’t forget to subscribe to download new episodes as they become available and don’t be afraid to share a rating!
0:00 Intro
04:02 Shogun Dominates the Emmy’s
16:55 Court’s Movie Corner
27:31 Disney+ Launching a 24 Hour Channel for Marvel & Star Wars Content
29:20 Symbiote Talk
38:20 Marvel vs DC but Marvel vs Capcom Style
01:36:00 More Symbiote Talk & Signing Off!
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Speaker 2:Podcast. Go tell your friends. It's the Infinite Podcast. My journey never ends. It's the Infinite Podcast with Rob and Kork the Cube. Hello everybody, and welcome back to another episode of the Project Infinite Podcast, the pad-. The podcast. Where are you from? Boston?
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Speaker 1:Court already said stuff so he's here, you got Court and Boston Court.
Speaker 2:His alter ego. What are we doing this week? We're talking about Marvel and DC stuff because we had the Marvel vs Capcom fighting collection released this past week and it's been a collection that has been several years in the making. Many of these games have not been able to be played on modern or any consoles for many, many years due to litigation, basically between Marvel and Capcom, where Marvel was like that was fun, but go away now, please, and then shout out a lot of credit to a lot of different people in the fighting game community that kept Marvel vs Capcom alive.
Speaker 2:One of my personal favorites, maximilian Dude, has been all over the internet, all over Twitch, youtube, for years Popularized the hashtag ReviveMVC2. And we finally got it. It's finally back. Came with a bunch of different marvel and capcom games x-men, children of the atom, x-men of our street fighter, marvel versus uh marvel, superheroes, marvel superhero versus street fighter and, of course, uh marvel, capcom, marvel versus capcom 1 and marvel versus capcom 2 all part of this collection.
Speaker 2:Um, I've played a little bit of it and it's a blast man, it really is. Um, you know, just even not even necessarily diving into the online stuff, but just, you know, seeing these characters back, you know, especially with like x-men 97 just came out, so like the x-men are kind of at people's forefronts right now and it's just, it's super sick like it's I'm I. The last marvel vs capcom game I played was marvel vs capcom infinite um, and that was. That was fun. But you know, nothing quite captures the magic as those 90s. You know pixelated characters, you know doing cool stuff. So, um, inspired by that idea, we are gonna do a little marvel, marvel versus of our own and we are gonna do something that people have always wanted to see, um, especially in video game form, and that is Marvel vs DC. I think Ed Boon, one of the directors at NetherRealm, has been hinting at in the past that NetherRealm could potentially maybe do a Marvel vs DC thing. I can't imagine.
Speaker 1:I can't imagine, I just can't imagine the infinitely tall task to even think about doing that. I can't imagine, I can't imagine, I just can't imagine the infinitely tall task to even think about doing that. And we're not even talking movies, television for a video game and it would be astronomical the closest we've ever gotten is in Fortnite yeah, true, even Fortnite probably won't try to go bankrupt, trying to do that too so we're gonna do a little Marvel vs Capcom style that too.
Speaker 2:So we're gonna do a little marvel verse capcom style marvel verse dc. Uh, kind of a arena arena bit.
Speaker 2:Uh, we're each gonna take, you know, teams of three into into battle and try to into battle world. It's a battle world and essentially we're gonna use the marvel characters that are represented in the marvel verse capcom franchise and the dc characters represented in injustice, because those are the the two kind of main fighting games that we have groundings for, for all of these characters and the Injustice roster, much bigger than I thought it was when I compiled this list.
Speaker 1:That's what Scoutmaster Kevin used to say. Come on, man, sorry.
Speaker 2:So we're going to do that. We'll explain the. I'll explain the rules when we get to that. But we do have some news, starting with the Emmmys, which we'll probably dive into a little more in depth, maybe next week. Um, but we did have to highlight a couple of things, including the bear. Yeah, so the bear won big on the comedy. The comedy, uh, on the comedy front and it's it's.
Speaker 1:You know, I think the original intent from season one was, you know, this is going to be kind of like a very super dry, in the same way that Barry operates. But you know, the one thing about story is story. The dictator of story is life. It's not comedy or drama, it's life itself. And I think the bear really dipped into that, especially in season two and season three. And it's funny.
Speaker 1:I was watching some breakdowns of season three, episode one which I think is one of the best episodes of television. I think that episode it's essentially a 30 minute cinematic anthology for Carmi, which in a show for the main character we hadn't gotten before, and I think that can't believe. They still took the swing. But you know, any criticisms about season three, you know I kind of brushed them off my shoulder because that is still one of the best running television shows, I mean as a current run. That's my favorite television show that's on TV right now. I think it is. It's a visual masterpiece, it's storytelling, it's redemption, storytelling at its finest. It is the definition of prestige TV. It is incredible, you know.
Speaker 1:So be it that it's in the comedy category. We're going to get to why. I'm a little glad that it's in the comedy category in a little bit. But the comedy category we're gonna get to. I'm a little glad that it's in the comedy category in a little bit. But I mean just the work that they're doing on that show, it's phenomenal. I mean the acting on that show is just. It is the top shelf that you can find. I mean it is. It is some of the best television that you will see. I like I said I think when that show's over we're gonna call that show in the same breath as, like your wires and your sopranos and your and your breakingands, the bear is currently running. Right now it's like the bear comes out and people stop. You only get so few shows like that in your lifetime, where people stop. I think the bear is on that list.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it cleaned up. For lack of a better word, I mean acting-wise. They swept. I know. Obviously Bernthal won last week in the kind of like the Emmys, like the pre-Emmys.
Speaker 2:The pre-Emmys, yeah, and then, obviously, you know, jeremy Allen White, Evan Boss, bacharach, just great, just great, all around from them, man. But you did allude to the fact that you know the Bears always been in this weird flux state between comedy and drama, in this weird flux state between comedy and drama, and and they good thing, good thing it cleared out this year, at least for for drama series, because Shogun, obviously the big winner here, um 18 awards, um the single best you know awarded TV show of all time in the Emmys, um for a single season of television, um, and man just out from top down. So one best drama, best directing, best sound mixing, sound editing, picture editing, cinematography, period costumes, main title design, production design, prosthetic makeup, stunt performance, casting for a drama, special visual effects, period makeup, period hairstyling. And then you know, obviously, the acting ones, for Anna Sawai and Hiroki Sanada. And Nestor Cabanel won for Best Guest Actor in a Drama which I you know Rodriguez is a character that I think went kind of under the radar in Shogun.
Speaker 2:You know a character that we didn't talk about a lot, but when we talked about Shogun for I think that episode was almost like three and a half hours we talked about the show, and this is why Right.
Speaker 1:I mean we we that was one of was that our longest episode we'd ever had? Yeah, I mean I cannot say enough about Chogun. There's not enough words in the English language to describe how just phenomenal that show was, top to bottom. I mean, you're talking intrigue week to week and you always get the sense and it's funny that X-Men 97 kind of had that same thing where people started talking about it and then you tune in and it's immediate and you're like oh, I came for exactly what I did. You want to talk about the bear being a visual masterpiece. I mean, I kind of became somewhat obsessed with the cinematography for for shogun, like you know, they were using those anamorphics like a lot of people were talking about. Oh, the edges look out of focus. I was like you should learn how to how lenses work, you should learn what's the difference between an anamorphic and a spherical lens and the attention to detail. And that show is phenomenal. I mean fx spent money on that show.
Speaker 2:They spent a lot of money on that show and for years, for years, for years yeah, pre-pandemic they were, they were making the show spent so much money on it and and so much time on it that they had to we talked about this in the episode like they had to send hiroyuki sanada out to do basically like something, yeah, something yeah, just film something to keep the rights, because it was taking so long to film and you know I think sanada said it in his acceptance speech like disney and fx, like took a chance on them, yeah, and and stuck with it, you know.
Speaker 1:And now obviously reaping the benefits, yeah, I mean, it's just, it's so like, like, how cool, how cool to see, you know, this show that easily could have toppled at any point from what was it 2017 or 2018? Yeah, all the way to 2024, a show that easily could have fell through the waste and never been made. Or, you know, the quality could have dipped, but you can. And it's always what we say. It's not about the thing, it's about your personnel. On the thing, like, your personnel was so tight and they believed. They believed from that point you know some people may not have, but they did, they believed all the way up until that show came out. And and again to your point, look at the. You know you reap the benefits. You are the most decorated television For a single season.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's just. It's incredible. So obviously this show's going to get on another season as well.
Speaker 2:Too Much to the surprise of everyone, mm-hmm, but you know, all the main players are still on board, obviously those who survive Right Shogun Season 1.
Speaker 2:So unfortunately, we won't, I mean unless they do bring Anissa Wai back in some sort of you know, Flashback sense, flashback sense or something Right, um, but I mean just, you know the major, I mean the major point. The two major points I want to cover are the are the two actors that that took home the awards? Um, anna Sawai, who's kind of like Shogun, was kind of like her, it's, it's her breakout.
Speaker 1:You know she's gonna like, she's going this is it. Yeah, people are going to be chopping like studios are going to be chopping out the bits to get her in any project they can get her in yeah, I mean, she was incredible, um and shogun, as mariko like just did, the, the layers and the dimensionality of that character.
Speaker 2:you know that you just chart all the way up to episode nine are incredible.
Speaker 1:She's so magnetic and you're just you want to talk about a show you have to believe in as well too, because I talk about simplicities and storytelling, but the complexities of that show are so intriguing and again, that's why that visual sense is so important, to keep people visually engaged the whole time and they knew when to push and when to pull, they knew when to go and when to pull, they knew when to go and when to stop, like that's one of the biggest pieces of why that show worked so well.
Speaker 2:And I can't stress this enough either, like you know, because I'm assuming you know people have watched that show. But, like you know, people like us were kind of like late to the game, you know. And now there are going to be people now that are even later to the game, you know, because of all the recognition that it's getting, I would strongly encourage anyone who who wants to dip in the shogun to just watch it with the japanese language and the english subtitles, because I think you know, looking back on it, that's such an important part of the show like you can watch it dubbed, but I just you lose so much of a, the performances of the, of the, of the asian cast, but also just the kind of point, one of the points of the show, right, as it relates to the blackthorn marco stuff. Right, you know we talked about in that last episode of episode 10, that there's that, that hanging shot of um blackthorn with um, yeah, his wife fu Fuji.
Speaker 2:And they frame it with Marco not there. Him and Fuji kind of have this base communication going and Blackthorn just says in Japanese he says no translator and you're just like ouch.
Speaker 1:Man I'm thinking about the moment with Marco and her husband as well Like the show is for lack of a better term sublime. Like this is a sublime experience that you're witnessing as you're watching the show. I mean what you know. Like I said, you couldn't count them on like a hand two hands maybe of like shows that are operating this seamlessly but also have this much, you know, substance to them as well too, cause it's easy to fall, it's easy to kind of slip. This show refused. It's not that it doesn't slip, it refuses to slip.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's, and that was like the thing I was waiting for and, to be honest, like watching the first few episodes, I'm like, especially after the first two, you're like they're not going to be able to keep this up for 10 episodes, and then each episode just builds upon the last and builds upon the last.
Speaker 1:When did you know that show was something? I have a specific point when I knew that show was on to something?
Speaker 2:I mean for me not even a specific episode, but just a specific moment.
Speaker 1:It's the first conversation between Blackthorn and Torunaga Yep, that was the same one. This is when I knew that their filmmaking was at another level, when they were intercutting the Japanese with him talking, with Blackthorn talking, and he was kind of drawing out the map for them. Like that's when I knew that show was on to something. They truthfully were on to something. I mean that encapsulates like that the moment Yabushige showed up. Yeah, our channel favorite.
Speaker 2:Yu shige. But I mean that that moment, that scene really encapsulates, like when you run down the list of awards that it won yeah like that scene really encapsulates all of it from.
Speaker 2:I mean, the music in that scene is incredible yeah, the score itself for the whole show is just I mean, trent renzer and atticus ross scored the show as well too, like when blackthorn starts talking about you know the, the portuguese, like plans and the gun running bases, and like the score starts to kind of swell a bit. And then you know you start to see, you start to see like what torinaga is kind of out, but but you also get to see this, this different gear in blackthorn that you hadn't seen.
Speaker 1:To that point. I mean, I can't stress enough how great cosmo jarvis is, like how incredible. You know he very much too could have won an award last night. Like that's just how great he was too.
Speaker 2:Like that bit, when he the exchange, when he, you know, when he says the stuff about the Portuguese trying to take over Japan, and Mariko says you know, do you swear by your God? And he goes yeah, yes, I do. And then when Torinaga says to him in japanese, he says you know, tell the engine to abandon this, this fight. Like he, you know he's, he's outnumbered, he's outgunned, he should go home. And then black thorn says, you know the famous line that torinaga echoes in the finale, unless I win. And then that's the moment that those two kind of like torinaga's like okay, like there's something, there's something to this character and then, or to this guy. And then that's the moment that those two kind of like torna was like okay, like there's something, there's something to this character and then or to this guy. And then it's just the complexity of all those characters, like we you had in the show, and you're just like wait, is tornaga a good guy? Or like what's the deal here?
Speaker 2:And uh, again, you know I wanted to circle back to sonata, you know, talking about how this award for um anna sawai is kind of like her, her ascent, but for sanada it's like this validation, sure, for this guy that's been in hollywood, you know, one of the you know first japanese actors to come over here to start acting in hollywood and became, you know, he's kind of like the godfather for a lot of you know asian actors and this is his first emmy win and we talked about how, particularly the last few years between mortal combat and john wick and this, like he, he's finally getting that mainstream recognition and it all culminates with this show. That is now, you know, as it heads into a second and third season, is really going to be on his back, yeah, and I think he's more than up for it, right, you know you could tell, like just in a in his uh, his speech, how much this particular show meant yeah to him for his career, right, I mean what a, what a production, what a show.
Speaker 1:Shout out fx and disney for like yeah in the speech, giving them a chance.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and now they have what they have, and I I mean we'll see. Um, of course, there's there's, you know, there's reason to be cautious for for future seasons of the show, I mean it's going to be a lot of challenges.
Speaker 1:I am a little bit, but I don't. But after a season like that and we always say it if you keep the same dogs in the race, I have no reason.
Speaker 2:You've shown me that I shouldn't be nervous. Yeah, I totally agree. So shout out Shogun, shout out the bear, shout out all the winners. Like I said, we'll talk about more Emmy stuff, probably next week. Now we got a segment. That is your course movie quarter. We got a lot of movie news to talk about first things first.
Speaker 1:Steven Spielberg, he's back. He did his family trauma. Now he's making a ufo movie. How steven spielberg of him it is very steven spielberg very steven spielberg of him.
Speaker 1:I mean I'm very much looking forward as soon as I heard this movie. I know, um, emily blunt is is kind of committed to this movie as well too. I feel like I mean, at this point in her career, that's a. This might, this might be a, a huge, huge win for getting steven steven spielberg with him too, and it just shows, like you know, spielberg makes a movie, scorsese makes. Who did? I say? It's uh, spielberg, cameron, scorsese and tarantino like 2019 was the year where they were like, oh, you guys must have forgot, yeah, that we are the godfathers of this, and you know, spielberg is no stranger to that. So the big news is that Colman Domingo also joined this cast, and I don't know who Colman Domingo's agent is, but the type of timing Colman Domingo's been on, I mean there's a very legitimate chance. Colman Domingo White won his first Oscar this year for Sing Sing, which I am super, super excited to see. So at this point, this cast has Emily Blunt, coleman Domingo, colin Firth and Eve Henson. So I know I forget his name from Challengers. He also was in Talks to Be in this.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it fell through for him, though, but I mean I'm super looking forward to this movie. I mean obviously it's going to invoke a little bit of close counters of the third kind, um, but I mean I just I want to know tone. I want to know what type of tone he's picking. I want to know if he wants to go a little bit more horror, inspired, you know, go dip back into his past of like the jaws days. I don't know if he wants to go a little bit more inspired. A piece of me feels like he's going to go a little bit more modern for himself, especially adding Emily Blunt, I don't know what. Something screams Jaws type horror to me for that. So we shall see, we'll see.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean it's super exciting. I mean, again, like you said, he's in a world where directors don't have as much star appeal as as actors. Um, like you said, spielberg is one of those names that, like you know, the the like time stops, so people, people can go see what, what he's, what he's cooking up, because he's, you know, arguably the greatest filmmaker who's ever lived.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's the and that's not even hyperbole that's that's, that's, you could look at it as almost a fact. Um so, and you know, for him to return, you know to be returning to some type of sci-fi, what be it more horror, or anything like that. I mean that, like you said, it's kind of it's kind of neat like obviously, obviously he has range, right. But I mean, you know, when you talk about like just his sci-fi stuff that he's directed, you know, et, yeah, you know. And then you know just close encounters, the third kind, like you mentioned, like there's just so much there, I mean I'm, I'm ready me too ready for it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I want that type of spielberg back, especially after the fablemans, like the. You know the emotional totality of the fablemans and you know how intimate that the type of movie like that is. Like I think he's ready to get back into the, you know, into the saddle for this big, you know big budget production and I mean it's not hyperbole what you said about him he is. You want to talk about influential, like if you want to go one day, we're just going to do a director's talk and we're going to talk just some of our favorite directors. You know inspiration, because directing is all about vision as well too. So you know it's what? Is it? Hitchcock, spielberg, maybe Goddard and I'm just blowing smoke and maybe Scorsese or, like your Mount Rushmore of I'm talking absolute influence over cinema as a whole?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you get into this, you get into that realm right, talk about anything, not just filmmaking, but any type of transcendent figure. When you're talking about influence, that's when you're hitting a whole other gear you talk about it. You know sports analogies anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's probably the easiest one to think about that way you talk about who's the best at this, who's the best at that?
Speaker 2:but when you're talking about influence, that's how you know you've ascended to a different level of greatness.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if it's the 80s, they'd call you Spielberg if you wanted to make movies. That's not by design. Steven Spielberg is now woven into the very ideal of what we call film. He is woven into that piece just by his name alone. Obviously, we overcomplicated a situation where we're very excited to see his UFO movie. I mean, yeah, but that was a situation where we're very excited to see his UFO movie. I mean, yeah, but that was. No, it's a great point.
Speaker 2:I love it. It's just not something that we kind of focus on too often, so this kind of lended an opportunity to do that.
Speaker 1:Tyler, the creator, is going to be in this Timothee Chalamet ping pong movie. Yes, by A24. I love how you just add the tagline by 824 and then I'm like oh, you could have told me the craziest plot to the thing. And then you said by 824.
Speaker 2:I'm like wait a minute wait a minute ping pong movie.
Speaker 1:That's gonna be cinema wait, they can do a ping pong movie, a cinema yes they can, they're allowing that, yes, they can and yes, they will. Yeah I don't have much to say about that movie versus. I'm just super excited for it. I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 2:It's interesting. It's an interesting idea.
Speaker 1:Oh heck. Yeah, I mean, in a weird way, it gets Timothee Chalamet something fun to do. I feel like he hasn't done anything fun because he's been so focused on Dune D. Dune dune wasn't fun from whose perspective? I mean, he had fun with it. He had fun at the end, sure, at the end, you mean when he did the genocide. Yeah, oh, that was fun. Okay for him, nice. Uh, megalopolis is weird. I'll leave it there. What's going?
Speaker 2:on with that. What's going on with?
Speaker 1:megalopolis. What's happening? I'm trying to think of other things. Oh yeah, uh, the, uh, the brutalist which is coming out with adrian brody, which he's getting, I mean, consummate, like he is up with coleman domingo for best actor. Um, I mean, I'm super excited adrian brody still has the claim to the youngest best actor of all time. Um, and for him to get back in that saddle is amazing too. Um, the big thing I want to know for that is that movie cost $10 million to make. And if you have four minutes three, three, four minutes you go on YouTube.
Speaker 1:You type in Cord Jefferson Oscars, oscar win speech, and then Cord talks about the beauty of we don't need one $200 million movie. Just give me I can't do math, but give me, give me two, give me a hundred, right, 200 million, give me a hundred, two million dollar movies. And apparently the brutalist is kind of that. That ideal. Like this movie cost 10 million dollars to make and it's going to be nominated for best picture. Like we don't need to spend this much time, this much money, on movies. Might as well just give more time.
Speaker 1:And especially with streaming services out too, like you know, as a filmmaker, like necessarily, would you want your movie to drop on a streaming service? Not necessarily, but for a younger filmmaker, I'll take anything I can get like. I'll take like. Obviously the dream is you want to be like spielberg, you want your movie to come out in the theater, you want everybody to love it and then you want to keep getting better and better.
Speaker 1:But as a young filmmaker that's just trying to make it, put my, put my movie on a streaming service. You know I'll give me two million. I don't need 50 million or 100. Give me two million dollars, give me a million, give me 500 000. Just see what I can do. Like technology's advanced so far, yeah, and like we always say, it's about your personnel, who's ever attached and tied in and locked into this project. So I thought that was of note, that that made me happy, that I saw that that that movie only cost 10 million dollars and you know the result that you get out of it too yeah, yeah, totally, I totally agree with that.
Speaker 2:Um, we gotta do this every week. Courts's movie corner, yeah, and I mean you know um, speaking of spielberg and influential directors. So james cameron, um today said that he's going after avatar is finished, which who knows? Um, he is going to direct the last train to hiroshima, which is a following. The man who survived the atomic blast at hoshima got on a train to Nagasaki and then survived that nuclear explosion. Cameron has said that he met Tsutomu Yamaguchi, who was a survivor of both those nuclear blasts, a few days before he died, and he was basically recounting his personal story to Cameron and company. And Cameron is very motivated to make this movie and it sounds incredibly haunting and a movie that will not be fun and it won't be easy to stomach. And, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1:I find that story so interesting for Cameron and it's not the avatar in the room, and I don't know if this is because in the recent weeks we talked Terminator 2 a little bit. But just looking at Cameron's whole career, a whole I I kind of love this progression where he's like I'm gonna attempt this. You know this non-sci-fi, non, you know, I'm just gonna attempt some. He's gonna make a people story yeah, I'm gonna show that how good I am, regardless of what I have in front of me.
Speaker 2:It's kind of you know, it's more obviously. It's a much more kind of it's a much darker. It's a much darker story than Titanic. But it is kind of going back to those Titanic route of like I'm going to make this story about these people, right, you know, and show how good I am In the midst of tragedy Right, and I'm going to tragedy right and I'm gonna show how good I am again.
Speaker 1:yeah, I mean that midst of tragedy, I mean you want to talk avatar too, like, yeah, he is becoming quite incredible, I mean becoming. He hasn't been doing this for years upon years and I mean you look at terminator 2, is that his thing? Yeah, man, terminator 2 is so good, it's so good. One day we'll talk Terminator 2 specifically. Sure, that movie is upon rewatch. That movie came out in what? 91? Yeah, jeez, that movie came out in 1991, and it looks the way it does. Still holds up. Man shoot on film. Film looks great. The film finish is so good. I think somebody did a 35mm print recently of Batman 89. Phenomenal looking, looks so good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean. The only other thing I was going to highlight was Disney Plus saying that they're going to do a basically a 24 hour channel of Marvel and Star Wars stuff. They're going to call it like Heroes, something or other. I don't know how, I don't know. I don't know what the benefit of that is, I guess right.
Speaker 1:Is it more of like a turn off your brain situation where you don't like, yes, what's the like? The whole thing, like that loki was talking about, like people don't really want control, I mean people people want to be controlled.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. We're like, you know, you just throw. I guess you just throw on disney plus and just be like, oh, iron Man's on Cool.
Speaker 1:Oh, it goes back to the bigger point. Remember when HBO was trying to do the deal, it was going to be HBO, disney Plus in a full bundle and it's like wait, is cable back, this is cable. This is not cable from Deadpool, you're taking cable from television.
Speaker 2:You're like wait, iron Man's on, I. You're taking the table from television. Wait, iron man is on, I'm in. I have to watch this.
Speaker 1:Wait, can't you just go on Disney Plus and watch it? No, it's not the same. No, it's not the same. It's on TV, it's on TV.
Speaker 2:I'm here, I guess that is kind of what that is. Ah, cool Book of Boba Fett's on.
Speaker 1:Yikes, I got to go. Is it the third to last and second to last episode I'm actually in? Is the Mandalorian in here I'm going to watch? Is that the accolade? Is that the accolade?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:I actually canceled my subscription.
Speaker 2:So I don't know, I guess we'll see. I mean it's interesting, and then Deadpool and Wolverine is coming out in a couple weeks on Disney+, which is kind of crazy to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I. I mean, it came out what july 21st? No, it came out before that. That is crazy. Time flies, man. Time does fly. It's too. It's almost october. It's it's mid-september. Venom 3 is almost coming. No, yes, it is noel's gonna be in this yeah, you're noel from marvel comics we talked about that.
Speaker 2:Last week did we talk about the whole thing of what we think's gonna happen I think we might have mentioned it about spider-man, but that seems increasingly more likely now, based on donny cates's comments. Right um, who, for those of you don't know, donny cates, is the creator of noel yeah, donny cates not only is the creator of noel, donny can.
Speaker 1:Uh, donny cates was the crown prince of marvel at some point, like he was. Yeah, like borderline, you are the new hickman, you are. Here's the keys to the, to everything do whatever you want.
Speaker 2:And he went from last week saying he didn't even know noel was going to be in this movie to now having read the script and he said it's the best noel thing that he's ever seen the best noel thing because it's the best noel thing, or is it the best noel thing because your noel is in a movie now?
Speaker 2:that's. I'm leaning, that's more what it is. But also it just makes me think that A Noel will not be the main villain of this Venom movie and that he's going to. They're going to do Spider-Man and Venom teaming up to fight Noel. I think Tom Holland's going to be in this movie. Yes, of course, In the Venom movie, or how many times?
Speaker 1:are we going to do this? One of the other Spider-Men are going to be in this movie.
Speaker 2:Didn't we speculate on this already with Morbius? It's Morbius.
Speaker 1:Nobody cares Bring.
Speaker 2:Milo Morbius back. The funniest outcome is all these characters that they made movies about prior are going to team up to fight Noel and just be annihilated immediately. Kraven Morbius, madame Webb, madame Webb.
Speaker 1:Milo Morbius, immediately craven morbius, madame webb, madame webb, milo morbius, milo milo, that's not his name. Russell crowe, russell, bigger craven, bigger craven, papa craven, don't say it, don't say it.
Speaker 2:You're about to say daddy craven I was madame webb and daddy man.
Speaker 1:They're teaming up To fight the symbiote god. Also, why is Gnoll just a fella? I don't understand it. All the other symbiotes are like alien goo monsters.
Speaker 2:I'm claiming my Gnoll ignorance here. I don't know much about Gnoll, okay.
Speaker 1:He's just a guy but why is he just a guy? Because he's just a guy.
Speaker 2:He's like an elder god. He's just a guy. And now he's just Norman Reedus. Yeah, he has the necrosword. I can't explain this, but Norman Reedus is the most null looking person I've ever seen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's gonna be good. If that's true, he's gonna be real good, so I guess no Ghost Rider for him. No, no, I think they're circling somebodyenn powell. Glenn powell's gonna play like james ghostwriter. Glenn powell, why not? I feel like he's too handsome. What are you saying about ryan gosling? That I was about to say? What are you talking about? Ryan gosling is a little more don't don't, don't, don't, do it, don't do it. I know what you're about to do. We have to talk about this marvel vs dc.
Speaker 2:I know, but he's a little more gruff than Glenn Powell Don't do this and he's a little more. I don't know. Yeah, you don't know. I don't know. I could buy Ron Gosling as a Ghost Rider, but Glenn Powell's just I don't know. Now, if you didn't see the movie Drive.
Speaker 1:Could you still buy him as Ghost Rider?
Speaker 2:No, that's what I thought. Drive turned 13 yesterday.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I also haven't seen Glenn Palin or anything that makes me think he could be Ghost Rider. You must have not watched Top Gun, maverick.
Speaker 2:I did watch Top Gun Maverick and that didn't give Ghost Rider vibes it did give Booster Gold vibes.
Speaker 1:It did See Booster Gold perfect Ghost Rider.
Speaker 2:Eh Dunno, they should get the other Walking Dead guy to be Ghost Rider, andrew Lincoln.
Speaker 1:No, Huh, hmm, wolverine for him. It's my theory. You start off as Cyclops or you live long enough to become Wolverine.
Speaker 2:Andrew Lincoln as Wolverine. Huh, Nah, Nah.
Speaker 1:I can't see it. Nah, he's too tall.
Speaker 2:Berthold is Ghost Rider. No, Berthold needs to be the war machine punisher, and he does need to be the war machine punisher. Norman reedus is null and I think it's cool yeah, we, we got off track.
Speaker 1:Norman reedus is null and that's awesome. If it's true, it's awesome. Venom, horse, venom, horse venom. Frog, venom, frog, venom, fish venom has a gambling addiction. What are we doing in this movie?
Speaker 2:I don't know I'm in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm in, I'm having fun. When's this movie coming? I don't know. I'm in. Yeah, I'm in, I'm having fun. When's this movie coming out? Soon Before the election? Yeah, they didn't want to interfere with it. The monumental nature of Venom is going to interfere with the US election.
Speaker 2:It comes out October 25th. We are a mere month away. We are a month away From the Last Dance. Reese Fonz is in this movie. He is. Who is he?
Speaker 1:Not in this movie.
Speaker 2:What if he's Noel?
Speaker 1:No, no, he already had his character. He had his thing. Reece Fonz wasn't busy, nah man.
Speaker 2:What if he's playing an alternate version of Kurt Connors? What if he's playing an alternate version of Otto Hightower In Venom? I'm just mad that our chill tell edge of four is null theory is not panning out. I'm bummed. It's so good as null. He would have been too many symbiotes but he's the symbiote god.
Speaker 1:Not enough symbiotes what's her name?
Speaker 2:is not coming back for this. Michelle Williams yeah Dang, riz Ahmed also not coming back. He's dead, not Riz.
Speaker 1:Ahmed. No, not Riz Ahmed. He's alive. His corporate, idiotic character from the first one is dead. What was that symbiote? Nobody Riot.
Speaker 2:Riot. I love the symbiote name so much.
Speaker 1:Riot, carnage, scream, scream, carnage, scream, scream. Remember what's toxin, toxin. Remember when scream was cooking peter parker and spider-man 2 this is why you can't pay the rent. I said whoa, whoa, what's up, what's up with that?
Speaker 2:what's the most extreme name we can come up with? That's it's a symbiote annihilation. Oh, I don't think there's an annihilation, there's an agony. Mania scoring. This is great. I'm a big fan. Lasher isn't lasher supposed to be in this one? Oh yeah, he's the one that they're calling Destiny Mania Scorn. This is great. I'm a big fan. Lasher Isn't Lasher supposed to be in this one? Oh yeah, he's the one that they're calling the Mountain Dew symbiote. Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:When did these Venom movies get into Michael Bay Transformers territory? The Baja Blast symbiote, I think they call him, let's talk Marvel vs DC. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Venom might come up in this too. He might, oh no, and Carnage, wait a minute. There's a symbiote named Bedlam. Cool, wait, I thought.
Speaker 1:Bedlam was. It's like Bedlam's from freaking the X-Men comics. What are you talking about?
Speaker 2:I'm looking at a big red Venom that's called Bedlam. That's dumb. Bedlam is a version of Eddie Brock, whose memories were stripped by Ben Reilly and Madeline Pryor, resulting in a hollow facade of Venom that ultimately Hang on, I had to click Ultimately transformed into Bedlam after a confrontation with Sync of the X-Men.
Speaker 1:I hate comics so much. I hate comic books. They're so stupid. If you want a good Null story, you read Silver Surfer Black. Come on man.
Speaker 2:There's an amalgamation of Bizarro and Carnage Woof, called Bizarnage. Let's move on.
Speaker 1:Get to the topic of the week All right.
Speaker 2:Marvel vs DC. I'm falling down a symbiote rabbit hole.
Speaker 1:Game work Extrembiote.
Speaker 2:Originally a symbiote dragon. Upon being exposed to the extremis virus by Iron man, it ordered a severance connection to the symbiote hive. It bonded to Iron Man's armor. What we're doing? A symbiote episode next week. We each do our research on the craziest symbiote we can find this symbiote.
Speaker 1:We can find this symbiote was a celestial.
Speaker 2:I hate it, marcus the centaur.
Speaker 1:Wait, wait, wait wait, wait, wait, wait. What's his name? Marcus? It's like in Dune when somebody's name is what? Like Irulan, and then you have somebody named Donkeyball, the centaur, werewolf, symbiote warrior.
Speaker 2:Excuse me, marcus is the strongest monster under Dracula's command. He was born a centaur, bitten by a werewolf and then bound to a symbiote, and his name is Marcus.
Speaker 1:I don't know why his name being Marcus is the best part about it. He's just a guy.
Speaker 2:Oh man All right.
Speaker 1:That was fun.
Speaker 2:I'm saying you just wait until next week. I'm going to have so many symbiotes. There's a Darkhold symbiote. No, no, court's least favorite thing, the Darkhold His name is Raze and he's the spawn of carnage after obtaining the powers from the Darkhold. Stop reading the Darkhold. It is the worst thing.
Speaker 1:Stop reading the Symbiote Wiki. I have to tell myself, yeah, that is your Darkhold. What's my Darkhold? I don't know.
Speaker 2:We have to find it. It can't be anywhere nearly as wild as this. All right, anyway, we got some time to cook here, that was fun. Anyway, we got some time to cook here, that was fun. I can't wait. I can't wait.
Speaker 1:We got from high prestige TV to the Venom symbiotes made.
Speaker 2:Marcus To Marcus To Extrembiote. Extrembiote, that's wild. Explain the rules, what?
Speaker 1:are we talking about this week? It's.
Speaker 2:Marvel vs Capcom rules, but with Marvel and DC characters. So the rosters I have only pulled these rosters from the Marvel vs Capcom games for the Marvel side, from the Injustice side for the DC side, including the Palette Swap characters. So Black Lightning is in here Obviously. If you play Injustice 2, you know Black Lightning was an alt skin for Raiden because Raiden was in Injustice, which is nuts. I did not put the Mortal Kombat characters in here that were in Injustice so no, scorpion, no.
Speaker 2:Sub-Zero no Raiden, I don't want to play anymore. No Ninja Turtles, no Hellboy, but that's it. Everyone else is in and on the Marvel side I've included some fun ones, alright, so here ends the rules. It's Marvel vs Capcom style, so it's 3v3. Obviously, one character fights one character and then you know, here ends the rules. It's Marvel vs Capcom style, so it's 3v3. Obviously, one character fights one character and then you know, until the team is defeated, and then you move on. A basic Marvel vs Capcom team employs your point person, your point character, which is your first character. You got your middle character and then you got your anchor character, who most fighting game players will save their third character for their?
Speaker 1:best character.
Speaker 2:You know, worst comes to worst. You have your anchor. You can pull off some, pull off some comebacks, um. So basically we're just going to go back and forth. We're going to take three, three on three, we're gonna. We're gonna mitigate and litigate to see who's whose character beats which. Um, in the event that you lose a character, you do not. And in the event that you lose a character, you do not. In the event that you lose a character and your team wins your matchup, you do not get that character back. So it's like survival style, basically, and you can, once per matchup. You can tag out Marvel vs Capcom style. You can tag out call an assist to another character on the team if you don't like your particular matchup. When you're like I picked the Punisher and the other person picked, like that's unfair for superman, yeah, help superman basically yeah, if you see a bear in superman in the woods, help superman the punisher bonded with the symbiote no, it hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 1:No, he probably did. Comics are dumb if it hasn't happened yet it will.
Speaker 2:Man, that bizarrenage one is really getting me, marcus, marcus. Marcus is getting. This is really getting me. Marcus, marcus is getting me. He's really getting me. His name is Marcus Flexo the Rubber man. I need to get off this page. Golden Age Robot Hero made out of living rubber. He is later to reveal to be a metal symbiote. No, wow, alright, I gotta get out. I gotta get out of here. Like I gotta get out of here, all right, anyways. Um, and then the last rule is you can enlist up to three guest characters. So, obviously, fighting game style, you get some dlc characters. So you can list three guest characters from any genre to be added to any team at any time. So you can just be like I'm picking Iron man and Cable and then I'm picking, who knows, john Blackthorn, john Blackthorn. It's not proper.
Speaker 1:He wins. People get to win the driving quarters.
Speaker 2:He wins. He wins automatically. All right, so are you taking the DC side? I'll take the DC side and I'm taking the Marvel side. Yes, all, you're taking the DC side. I'll take the DC side and I'm taking the Marvel side. Yes, all right. Do you want to do your team first? Sure, and I can counter.
Speaker 1:Okay, so team one that I'm going to pick, team one I'm going to start off with the Martian Manhunter. Okay, very versatile, very versatile, very dangerous. My second pick for this team will be Shazam oh, team will be Shazam, oh. My third pick for this team, to switch this up a little bit will be Brainiac. I want to throw a villain on the team and I think I cover a lot of bases with those three. So Shazam, martian Manhunter and Brainiac, hmm, all right.
Speaker 2:Well, Martian Manhunter, I feel like I can take him down.
Speaker 1:No, no, I didn't even think of that. It's no good.
Speaker 2:Martian Manhunter has one specific weakness and it's as a version of fire. So I'm just going to pick the Phoenix. I'm going to pick Jean Grey as the Phoenix.
Speaker 1:That's cold man.
Speaker 2:But this is why you went first. But you'll have an opportunity to counterpunch if you want. So, jean Grey, phoenix Force, my second character. I am going to pick kind of like an all-arounder here, uh, just a big, meaty brawler kit shut up, that's a big actually. Yeah, I am going to pick a big brawling character. I'm going to pick colossus as my second character I don't know who on this team.
Speaker 1:Colossus is afraid of colossus. I mean afraid of Colossus.
Speaker 2:I mean, he's a big, strong guy made of metal. He's hard to take down. And then my anchor being my anchor character oh, I know who could fight Brainiac? I'm picking Ultron.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's a fun matchup that I somehow think that Brainiac still would win, because Brainiac Ultron's just like. He's just like a menace, he's just kind of mean. Brainiac's actually smart about this crap. Ultron's smart, well, I mean in their respective universes. Brainiac Ultron in Age of Ultron in the comics he is one of the only characters that mentally defeated Captain America to the point where he's like oh crap. But at the same time Brainiac took over planet Earth with Superman on the planet and Supergirl and Shazam and the Green Lanterns, and still took the planet over true, but he can.
Speaker 2:He can be beaten, he can be punched to death. Who?
Speaker 1:Brainiac yeah, he's just got subsections for his, for his programming, yeah, but he can't do that. But he's still. He's still super powerful, he's very powerful. What's Ultron's? I'm not talking about what if Ultron. What's Ultron's?
Speaker 2:He just gets like Well, he's made of adamantium, first and foremost. Just unplug him.
Speaker 1:You can't just unplug him. Who says who? I need Magneto? Turn the power off and then Silver Samurai's going to be standing on the top of the building and be like All right well, can we agree that Phoenix kills Martian Manhunter? No, because Martian Manhunter's him or her.
Speaker 2:That's not an argument, Unless you want to swap out. Get Martian Manhunter out of there.
Speaker 1:I mean if I get Martian Manhunter out of there for Phoenix.
Speaker 2:Well, you have to pick one of your two other characters to face Phoenix.
Speaker 1:If somebody needs to face Phoenix, then I'm picking Shazam to face Phoenix. Shaz, I need. Somebody needs to face phoenix, then I'm I'm picking shazam to face phoenix. Shazam is demolishing the phoenix. Ah, so you're talking about cosmic energies versus magic. That's where it gets. That's where I think it's fun. That's where I think shazam takes an upper edge. I mean shazam can he? Get her, can he?
Speaker 1:get in his head well, it's to the point where, in Justice by Jim Kruger, shazam was holding his own against Superman of all people. Oh no, no. In Kingdom Come, shazam was holding his absolute own with Superman.
Speaker 2:I feel like she can break his tiny child brain though.
Speaker 1:Who Phoenix.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:What do you mean? His tiny child brain? What about her tiny child brain?
Speaker 2:But he can't get inside her tiny child brain.
Speaker 1:But he can't get inside her tiny child brain. But he doesn't need to, doesn't he? Is she going to get confused and mad in there? Why is he so happy? Why doesn't he have the same trauma as I have?
Speaker 2:I feel like she gets in his head and she shuts him down.
Speaker 1:I just think the magic's going to be too, and especially Injustice. Shazam had way more. Hmm, phoenix is a tough one I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:That's why I'm starting with phoenix borderline reality warper yeah, I feel like she's getting through like two of your guys, before someone takes her down and then you're left with one guy.
Speaker 1:I mean, if that's the case. Oh, you said no dlc characters, right, so I can't you picked your team already okay, dark side's not here right, dark side's there.
Speaker 2:Perfect, I'm saving him okay, good, I feel like my team is winning this match.
Speaker 1:I don't know, man I just don't think you're, I think you're underestimating how powerful comic shazam can be like, how stupidly powerful he can get, like your point about like Phoenix running through two of them, like Shazam by himself is soloing Ultron and soloing.
Speaker 2:Ultron. Well, he's gotta get through Phoenix first, and then, by the time he's exhausted with that, colossus just punches him to death.
Speaker 1:I just feel like also to the point of how smart Brainiac is to my point, like smart Brainiac is to my point, brainiac on a planet with the Justice League, who is the more powerful team? I?
Speaker 2:feel like he could beat. Phoenix for sure, and that's what I'm saying, because he's like a cyborg Right, so there's no head to get inside of Right, but I think she'd beat Shazam.
Speaker 1:And I think she'd beat.
Speaker 2:Shazam and Martian.
Speaker 1:Manhunter no, no, then I'll remix, then remixed, and I think that you put Phoenix against Brainiac. Oh, no, you duped me. Phoenix against Brainiac, because again there's no head to get in and he is. He's got fighting forces for his fighting forces. Can she burn him to death? Who was your third.
Speaker 2:It was Colossus Phoenix. Colossus was my second Ultron, Ultron.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay. So I'm putting Brainiac against Phoenix, I'm putting Martian Manhunter against Colossus Cause. What is he going to do? Punch through nothing, punch him to death. He's not going to be able to. He's just going to keep phasing in and out, and then, and then Martian Manhunter is going to get into his head. No, and then Shazam is annihilating.
Speaker 2:Ultron, but then Ultron comes back.
Speaker 1:So does Shazam. He just comes back as a kid and Ol-Chon wouldn't hurt a kid. He was on the internet. Ol-chon canceled. Yeah, that's a fun first matchup. That is fun Because they don't immediately match up, naturally, which are the best comic fights.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just think Phoenix is a problem for this entire group.
Speaker 1:I think you're underestimating Shazam and Brainiac.
Speaker 2:I think Shazam is getting mentally smacked by Phoenix. I think she's just in his head.
Speaker 1:For Brainiac.
Speaker 2:No, no, no For Shazam Shazam.
Speaker 1:I think she's in his head and he shuts him down and Martian Manhunter and her I should have. Well, she can burn him to death If she gets there.
Speaker 2:She can beat Shazam mentally and she can beat Martian Manhunter physically, but she has no answer for Brainiac, though, if she gets to Martian Again.
Speaker 1:That's another point of like. I think you're underestimating how powerful Martian Manhunter is as well too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she can still burn him to death. I've seen Justice League Unlimited. He gets beaten up pretty regularly.
Speaker 1:That's because they didn't know what they were doing with him.
Speaker 2:All right, all right, pick your second team, my second team. Let's see here my starter I'm going to pick. I'm going to say with the, I'm going to pick Captain America. To start with, he's a good starter. Captain America is weak. Come on man, I got to get some street level-ish guys in here. Okay, alright, my second character. So if I'm going Captain America, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go like heightened Captain America and I'm gonna pick Black Panther. Okay, what do you mean heightened? Come on man. Come on man, I feel like they're the same. And then my third Nah, black Panther is better than Captain America.
Speaker 1:I feel like we're two kids playing with action figures right now. This is fun.
Speaker 2:I do enjoy this. I'm just going to pick Thor as my anchor for my third matchup.
Speaker 1:Okay, so you said Captain America.
Speaker 2:Black Panther and Thor Classic Avengers team up here.
Speaker 1:Captain America, black Panther and Thor. Okay, so for Captain America, I'm just going to inverse your super soldier serum theory and pick Deathstroke. That's a fun fight. You said Black Panther as your second one. Yeah, black Panther is your second one. I'm going to, if that's the case, against Black Panther. That's actually that's a bit tough, because I'm trying, I'm really trying to go matchup for matchup. Um, you talk super suits, stuff like that, augmentations. I'm going to go blue beetle to take on, to take on black Panther.
Speaker 1:Oh okay, and then you want to talk of, you know powerful gods. Um, for Thor, I'm taking black Adam for Thor.
Speaker 2:Oh, interesting. Okay, let's, let's think this through Captain America and.
Speaker 1:Deathstroke. That's a tough one because Deathstroke and not to sell Steve Rogers short, but Deathstroke. On top of having the super soldiers like a super soldier serum in him, he's also a genius. He's also a tactical genius, like Captain America's war. Tactical Deathstroke's like I will manipulate you for 20 years to make sure I get what I want. Tactical.
Speaker 2:I mean the big question ultimately is can Deathstroke get past the shield?
Speaker 1:I mean, can Captain America get past the sword? Yeah, I feel like Deathstroke can get past the shield, can he?
Speaker 2:Sure, because I mean, obviously, deathstroke starts this thing at long range. Right, he starts shooting Ping, ping, ping, ping ping, captain America's blocking everything.
Speaker 1:I just feel like he's Captain.
Speaker 2:America goes for the big Mm-hmm. The big he does, the big thing, the discus he rocks up. Mm-hmm Turns around, yeah, whips the shield at Deathstroke he probably misses, but then it ricochets, comes back and Deathstroke's like ooh, that's fun, this is nice man. That feels like a double KO to me. I feel like they're taking each other out.
Speaker 1:That's a tough one, man. I don't know. I'm really feeling like Deathstroke's taking that one, but Deathstroke does have a healing factor, and that's what I'm saying. Captain America, doesn't he like a very low-level version, but doesn't he also have a healing factor?
Speaker 2:He does, but it's not Deathstroke's. Deathstroke's like a he's a defined healing factor. He's basically a metahuman. Right, captain America is like he's kind of like Batman, where, like he's peak, he's a little more than peak physical human because he has the super soldier serum, but at the end of the day, like Deathstroke, is basically a metahuman.
Speaker 1:Right, he can get shot and come back. Captain America's dying.
Speaker 2:I just don't think. I mean Captain America, I mean we're not talking like a fight to death, we're talking like a Submission.
Speaker 1:Could he knock Deathstroke out? I don't think so, and I think vice versa. I think Deathstroke could not easily, because Captain America is a tough SOB.
Speaker 2:I think you're right, I think, yeah, I think Deathstroke. I think ultimately this is a knockdown, drag out brawl that Deathstroke eventually wins, and then Black Panther just comes over the top and polishes Deathstroke off Right, and then we get to the second fight.
Speaker 1:I think I will submit to the fact that I think the only reason I think the scarab technology is more advanced than Black Panther's technology, but I just think that Black, the tactician idea, yeah, he's a genius and Jaime's a kid, he's a better fighter you're basically relying on the idea that the scarab can protect Jaime enough to get through.
Speaker 1:Black Panther. And again to the Deathstroke point for Black Panther. Black Panther's even smarter than Deathstroke, so I feel like he'll figure out a way. You're also dealing with an indestructible suit On both sides. Both of them have indestructible suits.
Speaker 2:I just think Black Panther could eventually just get to him and hit him with a real hard punch or a real hard heart-to-heart.
Speaker 2:We do not do that here. We don't do that here, or like. He'll find a way to like, disarm the Scarab or something, shut it down. He'd figure out the tech, and then he'd take Jaime out, and then he's gotten through Deathstroke, he's gotten through Blue Beetle and then ultimately he's beaten by Black Adam. Right, he's just punched real hard and zapped. He doesn't go down without a fight, though T'Challa would fight Black Adam with everything he's got, but ultimately I think he's beaten and then we get Black Adam versus Thor. That's a fun one. They're both. That's a fun one. Thor's a little more. I mean, they're both kind of ancient-ish, but Thor's like a Black.
Speaker 1:If this makes sense, black Adam's like a In a weird way, like distinguished about it. Thor's just a. He's a psycho Like he's a menace.
Speaker 2:Well, he loves this, he loves the game. He loves the game. He loves the fight game.
Speaker 1:Like I will sit here and fight you for for a, for a decade, if I have to. Like that's the type of oh man, I messed up. I should have picked wonder woman to take on thor.
Speaker 2:That would have been much more fun well, she's got to sit there now and watch black adam get beaten up. Yeah, she'd be like that's fine it's fine, it's fine, um, I mean, I think thor is ultimately beating black adam. He's got.
Speaker 1:He's got more ways to do it yeah, and but I mean to my point. I mean again the magic. I mean Thor also has his magic, but Thor's magic is more immediate, if that makes sense. Black Adam's magic is kind of versatile in that point, but I just think Thor. But can Black Adam's lightning hurt Thor? That's what I'm saying, and vice versa Can?
Speaker 2:That's where the big dog comes in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the hammer. He needs the axe.
Speaker 2:Jonathan, he gets the hammer, like maybe they just shoot lightning at each other.
Speaker 1:But Black Adam has the cape. Oh, thor has a cape.
Speaker 2:No, Black Adam's bald. Some versions, some versions, maybe they probably just they come up, they see each other, they're floating, they're both floating there, they fly now there. They fly now, they fly now and they shoot lightning at each other. They both absorb the other's lightning and they're like oh I can feel your spine, johnny, nope, nope.
Speaker 1:Put wraith in here. Put wraith and saber-toothed.
Speaker 2:Saber-toothed is in here, let's go, and then they probably just they fly, they do one of these, they fly at other, and then it's just hands.
Speaker 1:And then Thor, probably. So what if, in an insane scenario where he throws the hammer at him and he catches the hammer and you're like what, the you know what?
Speaker 2:I just don't think Black Adam's worthy.
Speaker 1:Why not? Why not? What has he done? Tried to murder the Shazam family and a tiny planet To prove that he's not worthy. I just Didn't he save Kondok? Well, that was his son. Oh, that's the movie, that's not the, that's not the this. I'm just not sure that he can catch the hammer. I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2:And I think ultimately Thor just pummels him with the hammer.
Speaker 1:That's my thing. It's like he's just a dog. He's just like I will fight you for as long as I need to. I should have picked Wonder Woman, because Wonder Woman won't stop and she's just as almost as strong as Superman. She simply will refuse to stop.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so yeah, I think my team wins this one. Obviously, again, black Panther doing much of the heavy lifting here. Captain America, low-key, doing some heavy lifting by wearing out Deathstroke. Sometimes that's what you need a point person for. You need the point person to kind of absorb some hits, get the first character on the other team whittled down on their health, and then the second character comes over the top, boom, comes in, and then Black Panther gets the Blue Beetle. And then the second character comes over the top, boom, comes in, and then black panther, you know, gets, gets the blue beetle. And then we get the two thunder, the two thunder guys dueling it out, and thor is just uh, thor's just got a little bit, a little bit more to him fun, okay I pick first.
Speaker 1:Now, hey, yes, I'm gonna go, just uh, I'm just gonna get some heavy hitters off the board I'm just gonna have some fun.
Speaker 1:Um, give me as my point person. I really want to just be. I'm talking godly blows, I just want the earth to start shattering my point person. That would be a god-level figure. I mean, swamp Thing is like I'm talking an absolute. Swamp Thing's most powerful is universe shattering. So I'm going to pick. Swamp Thing is like I'm talking in absolute, like Swamp Thing's most powerful is like universe shattering. So I'm going to pick Swamp Thing. I'm going to pick my.
Speaker 2:What's the second character, your strength guy, nah it's kind of like your middle person, person that you don't want to, kind of like you're kind of hiding them a little bit.
Speaker 1:Doomsday, oh, you're hiding him, huh nice, and the only reason he's being hidden is because he's being controlled by dark side. Oh, I just, I literally just want the, the heavy pit. You're gonna have to pick scarlet witch for something like this. Like I don't understand, I don't know how you're gonna.
Speaker 2:I don't know how you're gonna try to I think what would be a fun fight for Swamp Thing, and it's one you might not expect.
Speaker 1:It's man Thing. No, I'm picking the Hulk For Swamp Thing. That would be fun, because how it would work too is Hulk doesn't get the angrier he gets and he's going to get angry at the ground. He's just going to perpetually keep getting.
Speaker 2:And we've seen the Hulk at his most terrifying can literally smash planets.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but Swamp Thing would be like Captain Planet unite. I think Is Swamp Thing's submission to the Hulk a win in and of itself. You're not thinking big brain enough.
Speaker 2:Let me get through the rest of my team and then we'll chat about our first matchup. So I'm going the Hulk first. Who was your second person? Oh, you picked Doomsday. Doomsday, Damn it, that thing. I mean it depends how far along we are. I mean because he's invulnerable to most things, depending on where in the timeline you're pulling him from.
Speaker 1:I mean we're pulling the doomsday that murdered Superman, Damn.
Speaker 2:That's a hard doomsday to beat.
Speaker 1:That's why I picked him. I'm picking Star-Lord John.
Speaker 2:Star-Lord John.
Speaker 1:Star-Lord.
Speaker 2:Dang. Yeah, I think I'm Dang.
Speaker 1:You're not going to pick Cable. No, who's the funniest person that he can fight? Hawkeye, hawkeye.
Speaker 2:An anti-Doomsday era.
Speaker 1:Where did you?
Speaker 2:get that? Where did you? I think I know someone who may not be able to kill Doomsday, but I believe he can neutralize him or stop him. I'm picking Iceman For Doomsday Omega level. Iceman is a problem For Doomsday. Yeah, I think he can freeze him and keep him there. For how long? Until the timer expires. But if we're going to use Until the round, expires.
Speaker 1:But if we're gonna use until the round expires, but if we're gonna use that logic of superman because comics he's not here he would just be figure out a way to get out of it. Doomsday would figure out a way to just get out of it and murder and rip heisman in half. He's gotta catch him first what are you? It's doomsday. I know what are you talking about. He can't fly, it doesn't matter, he can leap continents. Iceman's got the little no, no don't use that.
Speaker 2:You're sleeping on Iceman's powers. That man is an Omega-level threat, detected Right and it's.
Speaker 1:Iceman. Yeah, if anybody ever said Omega Level Threat detected and then Iceman showed up, I'd be like guys, we won. Like. The villains won today.
Speaker 2:Like that's sick. He can create clones of himself, ice clones. Doomsday killed Superman. That's fine.
Speaker 1:We're not talking about Superman. Crazy pull to beat Doomsday. I love it. Yeah, what a nuts pull.
Speaker 2:He is. He's stronger than you think.
Speaker 1:Don't do this, don't try it.
Speaker 2:If that guy has any water at all in his body, Iceman can freeze it instantly.
Speaker 1:He's murdering Iceman so quickly. He's not. He's gotta get through the Hulk first. Iceman wouldn't be. You should have actually flipped him. You should have flipped Iceman to try to freeze the entire planet over you know what? Now I'm going to, and you should have had hulk funk to fight doomsday.
Speaker 2:I'm doing that actually, I'm tagging out the hulk. He could, he could save his fight for doomsday and ice man's gonna fight swamp thing.
Speaker 1:And then my third character is kratos the god of war to defeat a god I.
Speaker 2:I think Kratos can kill Darkseid. I just think.
Speaker 1:If we're using the most powerful version of Darkseid. Darkseid doesn't obey by those laws of life and death. He doesn't obey by those.
Speaker 2:We're taking the anti-life equation out of this no not the anti-life equation, I'm just talking.
Speaker 1:He doesn't obey by the ideologies of life and death. I mean technically. Neither does Kratos.
Speaker 2:He climbed out of hell just because he was angry and then killed Ares.
Speaker 1:Zeus.
Speaker 2:And he killed Zeus. He's killed several people on the godly pantheon.
Speaker 1:If we're taking the most powerful version of Kratos and the most powerful version of Darkseid, the most powerful version of Kratos is definitely God of War 3 Kratos is the most powerful version of Darkseid.
Speaker 2:The most powerful version of Kratos is definitely God of War 3 Kratos. Sure, without question, sure.
Speaker 1:I just don't think he's beating the most powerful version of comic, darkseid, I mean if he has the Blade of Olympus, he can kill anything. But Darkseid doesn't play by those rules. What do you mean? Darkseid's built into the panels of comics. That's how it works. I might as well have just picked Deadpool then. Oh man, that would have been a much better fight. Don't tag him in either. I think my team wins this one.
Speaker 2:Your team probably wins this, but my team is fine.
Speaker 1:I'm actually the funnier thing is your team dynamic Like Hulk, hulk, iceman and Hulk and Kratos, hulk and.
Speaker 2:Kratos are angry.
Speaker 1:Hulk Kratos and Iceman Iceman's like what the f? Iceman thinks he's the most powerful out of the two of them. I mean he might be. No, no, don't Stop sleeping on Iceman. Iceman isn't going to be able to even be able to turn full ice before doomsday gets to him and snaps him in half that's what he wants you to think and then boom, ice clone. You should have picked storm if you were going to use that logic.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no no mega level storm can literally change the atmosphere of planet. So can ice man, but it's not as cool. It's not as cool it is, and it's cooler actually.
Speaker 2:Yeah nope, nope, we're not doing forge. Look at this. Ice man, ice man. So what are you?
Speaker 1:two in one, yeah okay, I guess I'm going next. Yeah, we. I guess we have to do two more of these. So best out of five. Do you want? Do you want to? You want to make a general gentleman's agreement and go? No powers for this one. Okay, so just some some scrappers, some scrappers.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right. Um, all right, in that case I am going to pick. Damn, I already used captain america. Does iron man count?
Speaker 1:no, he has a suit. What do you mean? He's got a suit, so that doesn't count. No, he can like, because then you can be like. Well, I'm taking god, god, iron man, with the god suit, with the celestial suit, with the celestial suit Doesn't count, I'm picking.
Speaker 2:whatever that symbiote was I mentioned earlier. No, marcus, no, no, no, no. The other one that bonded with the Iron man armor no, extreme Biot, Extreme Biot, I hate everything. I'm picking that guy. Um, alright, I'm gonna pick. Alright, my point person is gonna be Hawkeye, don't right, my point person is gonna be hawkeye, don't comic hawkeye. And he's a, he's an issue, is he? Yes, who's getting near him? You're gonna pick green arrow and it's gonna be amazing what a brawl.
Speaker 1:You think that's who I'm gonna pick. You wish I picked green arrow. Oh, I know what I'm going to do for this. Keep going All right, I have some options.
Speaker 2:I'm going Hawkeye for one. This is tough. A lot of the people on my list have powers. I'm going to pick Taskmaster Nuts Taskmaster the only person he can be bamboozled by is Deadpool, which is fun. And then my anchor, if we're going to do this type of fight, is going to be the Punisher. Just has every gun imaginable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you've never seen more guns.
Speaker 2:No, no, no wait, I guess Iron Fist has powers right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it doesn't count.
Speaker 2:He's like my only other hand-to-hand guy here, because I'm not going to pick Black Widow. Yeah, I think by default, that's my team that I have to pick, unless I go like Rocket Smoked. Yeah, rocket's toast, I think that's my team. Hawkeye, what did I say?
Speaker 1:Hawkeye, taskmaster and Punisher Hawkeye Taskmaster and Punisher Hawkeye Taskmaster. Punisher For Hawkeye. I'm not going to waste my breath on Green Arrow. I'm giving you Deathstroke, for you used Deathstroke already, deadshot. I'm using Deadshot for it.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's fun.
Speaker 1:We're using Deadshot, so Deadshot is taking on Hawkeye. Who was your second pick?
Speaker 2:Taskmaster. Dr Fate because under the helmet, he's just a fellow.
Speaker 1:Come on, you can't do that. I know, I know you said Taskmaster for the second one. Yeah, because he can mimic any fighting style, eh.
Speaker 2:That's a tricky puzzle to figure out.
Speaker 1:He can mimic any fighting style. That's actually a good one.
Speaker 2:I know I was surprised. I even came up with it. I had to reach out. I told you, a lot of the people on my list are powered. It was hard to pick one.
Speaker 1:I mean, for that one you need somebody that's ranged right, Because you wouldn't want to do somebody that can hand-to-hand fight. I mean, if that's the oh, I'm picking Scarecrow against him, because Scarecrow is a guy, he's just a man. He's just a man. What he's going to recreate, the fear toxin. That's what I thought. Scarecrow's my second pick. Hmm, who was your last pick? Punisher? Batman, batman, let's not mince anything. Hmm, yeah, let's not even entertain the fact that you guys would win this. Let's not do it. Don't do it.
Speaker 2:My only conceit is if Taskmaster could break through the fear toxin, what was he going to recreate? Well, he could just snap Scarecrow's little neck. At that point. If he could get through the fear toxin, could he could break scarecrow's little neck because, like you said, under underneath the, the burlap sack and the gas is just a, is just a, is just young sheldon come on, man, come on.
Speaker 1:That's a low blow for young sheldon, so that'd be my only. That'd be my only conceit.
Speaker 2:I'm not having it because if taskmaster could break through the fearit, I'm not having it Because if Taskmaster could break through the fear toxin, I'm not having it and I don't think he's breaking through the fear toxin.
Speaker 1:I'm not subscribing. That's knocking him out.
Speaker 2:They got.
Speaker 1:Batman, john Taskmasters, john Taskmasters, tony Masters. I hate comics so much, tony Masters. Get out of here the Tony Masters You're of. Here, tony Masters.
Speaker 2:The Tony Masters.
Speaker 1:Are you the Tony? You're Tony Masters from Marvel Comics and the Avengers video game everyone hated. He was in the beginning of that and that was a good opening mission, and then they just didn't do that. For the rest of the game.
Speaker 2:Anyway. Yeah, your team's probably winning this. Just say the third matchup, because you just glossed over it. Oh, was it Batman and the Punisher? I don't think Batman might have to sit. No, the Punisher's killing Scarecrow actually.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, matchups are the matchups.
Speaker 2:You can't show him anything worse than what he's already experienced. Oh yeah, the boys, the methane or the halothane.
Speaker 1:You'd be like, ooh, that was nice. Fear, toxin, huh, fear toxin.
Speaker 2:Eh, here's a .50 caliber bullet to the head, Scarecrow.
Speaker 1:Boom, you looking for this.
Speaker 2:That's the funny thing about the matchups, about that matchup is all these other characters are just kind of fighting to knock each other out. The Punisher's just shooting Scarecrow right in the head. You killed how many people in Gotham with fear toxins You're getting shot in the head.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, we should talk about that. If the Punisher was in Gotham, gotham City would be a utopia.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no kidding. And let me tell you, batman's beating the Punisher, but the Punisher's getting his five ounces he might get one bullet in him.
Speaker 1:Oh, he's definitely getting a bullet in him. He's got every weapon and this is like I will even give you the advantage. He's got the War Machine armor on top of it. Batman, because comics are dumb he's still winning this, probably. Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2:But you know, Punisher's probably stabbing him at one point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then Batman will be like yeah when did I get stabbed?
Speaker 2:The Punisher's giving Batman a run for his money.
Speaker 1:Specifically, John Bernthal. He's losing, but he's man. What a fight. Who's the funniest Batman he could go up against in live action?
Speaker 2:Oh, Michael Keaton's Batman by far.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, kilmer.
Speaker 2:Oh, Clooney's Batman this is why. Superman lurks alone. The Punisher might actually win that one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he actually might.
Speaker 2:If it's George Clooney's Batman, behold my Bat credit card Machine guns. He just gets machine guns. Oh no, batman's mortal weakness being riddled with bullets.
Speaker 1:It's 2-2. Man's mortal weakness being riddled with bullets it's two, two. Yeah, unfortunately I have to start for this team. This is gonna be fun. You haven't used that guest characters yet. No, I'm afraid. Wait.
Speaker 2:So the guest character is a fourth character no, no, it's one of your three, one of your three characters, but it can be pulled from anywhere heard, okay anywhere, anywhere I can pick jesus, you can try, you will try my counter is the romans oh no, come on.
Speaker 1:No, my counter to the romans is resurrection no, no the ultimate superpower came back, the, the first superpower. Hey Romans, why is the tomb empty? Oh shoot. Oh no, he's back. Oh no, he's back. I'm thinking I'm back.
Speaker 2:He's got that resurrection perk that they gave Jason Voorhees no In Mortal Kombat 10. And his life bar runs out and he comes back.
Speaker 1:Oh God.
Speaker 2:What do you want me to say, jesus?
Speaker 1:Oh geez, all right, go ahead. This is tough man. This is the last one we could do one more. Well, we have to. Unless we do best of seven, all right, we're at best of seven. There are no rules. Yeah, this is the fifth game. Okay, all right, relax, everybody. Chill out my point character. It's gonna be the. It's gonna be the flash. Okay, it's barry allen. Shut up, jay garrick, you slow old idiot show some respect for barry allen no, it's barry allen.
Speaker 1:Um, barry allen's my first guy. Let me get, get, oh, let me get Hal Jordan as my second. Okay, and then, hmm, I need a real dog for the third one. Eh, oh, wonder Woman.
Speaker 2:Wonder Woman's going to be my third one. Wonder Woman.
Speaker 1:Wonder Woman.
Speaker 2:Mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm.
Speaker 1:Not bad.
Speaker 2:Not bad at all.
Speaker 1:Well, you can get some counters to this. This might be a fun one. Make it fun, at least Make it fun.
Speaker 2:Oh man, I hmm Wonder Woman. I think I have an interesting counter for Wonder Woman and I don't know how effective it's going to be, but I'm going to try it. It's US Agent? No, it's not US Agent.
Speaker 1:It's Doctor Doom.
Speaker 2:I, it's Doctor Doom. I was gonna pick Doom at one point. I who can counter the Flash on this? Alright, I mean, I guess Professor X, I was thinking it, but then, like the wheelchair thing, If he can't stop the Flash could he shut the Flash's brain down before the Flash starts running? Yeah, because his brain moves as fast as his body moves. That's the thing Like can Professor X really kind of.
Speaker 1:It's like hitting a 100-mile-per-hour fastball, Like could he stop him.
Speaker 2:Like boom.
Speaker 1:Stopped, but his mind's moving too fast. Pressure X would be like. Why are they playing this movie at times of 50? In this movie, is it death you're going to pick to try to counter that?
Speaker 2:No, because he's outrun death before. Yeah, because he's him.
Speaker 1:Gambit.
Speaker 2:The name's Gambit, mona, remember it? No, because the Flash has an anti he's got a fireproof suit. His whole suit's made to prevent kinetic energy. Gambit's screwed Sumagorath. I was thinking about Doctor Strange, for the Flash.
Speaker 1:That would be interesting. Yeah, magic is, I guess, a good counter against like a.
Speaker 2:Because I can't I don't think I can beat him with anyone physically here.
Speaker 1:No, you're going to have to get, you're going to have to have fun. I got to trick him.
Speaker 2:I got to make him think his boots are made of lead or something. Maybe that's where Professor X comes in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but if he can catch up, apocalypse, no who Apocalypse?
Speaker 2:I was thinking about Wolverine for the Flash and just getting by on grit.
Speaker 1:On grit. He can't catch up. What grit is he gonna have Been?
Speaker 2:in a lot of wars, bub.
Speaker 1:And then he got his metal taken out of him. Well, the Flash can't take his metal out. Well, he was yapping. That's why he lost his batito. He was too busy yapping. He was too busy yapping. Yo, bro, shut up and stab him.
Speaker 2:I do think I'm going to pick Doctor Strange, though.
Speaker 1:That's fun. I like that, that's fun. I do think I'm picking Doctor Strange. It's fun and I like was Hal Jordan Green Lantern. Oh Jesus, because the most powerful version of Hal Jordan Green Lantern is absurd. But he rebuilt Coast City from his mind. That's fine, that's fine. You haven't met US Agent yet. Hmm, you should pick Mephisto for him, because he would just torment Hal again. I was actually going to pick Mephisto. That would be. Such a Hal would be like no, I'm being tormented by a devil character again. I think I could break it mentally with Mephisto. I'm going to succumb again.
Speaker 2:And that's really funny because my third character for Wonder Woman was going to be Ghost Rider.
Speaker 1:Oh, the penance stare, the penance stare Against.
Speaker 2:Wonder centuries, but does she feel bad about anything?
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying, and again, her whole thing is she won't stop, she physically will not stop.
Speaker 2:I mean, if the penance stare works, that could get her. If it works and that's what I'm saying, Because the Ghost Rider has tried to punish the penance stare on Venom before and it didn't work Yep.
Speaker 1:I feel like Wonder Woman doesn't care about. She's again like Thor, and that's why I should have left Thor for Wonder.
Speaker 2:Woman. I also don't think the penance there has worked on the Punisher. I think he's tried it on the Punisher before and I don't think it's worked.
Speaker 1:That's just a Will thing.
Speaker 2:That's just, he's him, that's different.
Speaker 1:That's a different beast, that's a potent mix.
Speaker 2:My demonic magic team.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that is a demonic magic team. Jesus you should and Chumagora you should have picked Doctor Strange Dormammu and Chumagora after you were three.
Speaker 2:Because Doctor Strange, I don't know if Doctor Strange, doctor Strange, might be able to beat the Flash. There's a very good chance.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the most powerful Strange, after he sold his soul to the What's-It-Calleds in Hickman's run of the Avengers, turned into an all-god, so that's tough. What turned into like a? Like an all God, so that's tough. What's the?
Speaker 2:second matchup. Uh well, assuming who's your second guy? Uh pal, he's probably beating Dr Strange. If Dr Strange gets through the flash, then how it's probably getting through change at that point.
Speaker 1:Just which strange Cause strange gets stupidly powerful, True, I mean I, yeah I stupidly powerful.
Speaker 2:True, I mean, yeah, I guess it really depends on that point. How much juice did he use fighting the Flash?
Speaker 1:Probably quite a bit. But I don't know if Doctor Strange operates in Juice Right. I don't think he operates that way. He's just kind of sitting back Right and he could just kind of do whatever he wants, true.
Speaker 2:He's got a lot of tricks, full of tricks he wants. True, hmm, he's got a lot of. He's got a lot of tricks yeah, full of tricks, wizard, right. So we? So we saying that Dr Strange clears flash and green lantern and then loses the wonder woman, and then wonder woman's got to run the gauntlet.
Speaker 1:And who better to run the gauntlet than wonder woman? Yeah, maybe my team just wins on the grid of Wonder Woman just being her.
Speaker 2:Like Strange, gets through the flashing green lantern and then Wonder Woman, just Solos the three of them.
Speaker 1:Maybe that's what she was waiting for too. She wanted them to die, so she could just solo the three of them. She's a psycho man. I wish I would have had Thor versus Wonder Woman Now that's a fight.
Speaker 2:That would have been a fun fight. That's a fight, dang. That's a fun fight, maybe what? Maybe it's just maybe, maybe maybe the end like it's just a, it's a draw, like what. It was just so exhausted and then she gets, she just can't overcome ghost rider, but then ghost rider also can't overcome her and they just beat each other down and they're just like yeah, yeah, and they shake hands after.
Speaker 1:Or they do the yeah.
Speaker 2:We get a good old double knockout, that's fun.
Speaker 1:That's a tie. That is a tie.
Speaker 2:So I guess we gotta go one more.
Speaker 1:Okay, it's my. I pick first. No, I pick first Go ahead.
Speaker 2:You talk first, I talk first, go ahead, pick first.
Speaker 1:Well, you're picking Supermanman, so yeah, I was gonna say truthfully it doesn't matter what you do for this one cause um, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm. Now I'm picking jesus no, go ahead, pick jesus. Superman's not fighting jesus. See what I have for that. Go ahead, cause I'll pull a guest character out too. Are you going to pick Superman? I will, but I have a guest character. If you pick Jesus, I have a counter for Superman. I have a counter for Jesus.
Speaker 2:Because I do have a counter for Superman and it's also a guest character who has canonically beaten Superman in a fight. No, you're going to pick Muhammad Ali. Um, all right, my first character, my first, I mean, my first character is gonna be man. I feel like this is. I feel like I can't pick this character going first, because you can, you can just find a counter for him, but also he's also him. So I can't not pick magneto, pick Magneto. Okay, I'm picking Magneto as my first character. My second character I'm just going gunblazing here and I'm picking Galactus.
Speaker 1:Okay, Okay, heard Okay. So who'd you pick so far? Magneto, Galactus. Them being somewhat of frenemies is hilarious to me as Marvel headcanon.
Speaker 2:Magneto would go up there with Astro down.
Speaker 1:Somewhat of frenemies is hilarious to me. And then, like I said, my marvel headcanon. I would be like magneto would go up there with asteroid m magneto's beating your first character with a speech.
Speaker 2:I don't care who it is wait, wait, wait I'm gonna, I'm gonna test that theory. He's getting speech to death, or she?
Speaker 1:he's outspeeching reverse flash. Yes, because reverse flash just won't have anything that he's saying never again, I don't care. Um, why did you kill my mother? Because I hate you like what is he gonna do?
Speaker 2:and then, like I said, my third character is a character uniquely equipped to defeat superman, a character that has defeated superman. I'm going, I'm going. You thought galactus was big and he is, but but I'm picking Godzilla.
Speaker 1:So there you go. Let's be for real. Let's be frickin' for real. Come on, he's already beaten Superman. Let's be for real. He's already beaten Superman. Okay who'd you pick? You picked Magneto. Okay, galactus.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And Godzilla, Perfect. I'm just gonna give you Superman, Supergirl and Dr Manhattan and we'll be done with that. You can't pick Dr Manhattan, why not? It's a guest character.
Speaker 2:I guess you can. That's what I thought. Godzilla's beating Dr Manhattan also.
Speaker 1:Oh, I should have picked Kong. No, I should have picked Mechagodzilla. Oh, I should have picked Ghidorah. I wasn't even thinking. That's how we should do it for the guest character. It has to be somebody from the confines of the guest character's universe. So if you were going to pick Jesus, I was going to pick God.
Speaker 2:Ooh, how am I supposed to match up with Superman? Otherwise With God.
Speaker 1:Fictional character, god. I will not comment. Oh man, we all know who's winning this one Godzilla. No. What's Godzilla going to do? No.
Speaker 2:Dr Manhattan wins actually. Yeah, exactly by himself. He's on his own team. No, he chooses not to play, he just sits on the moon. Oh, so his own team.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, he chooses not to play, he just sits on the moon. Oh, so you lose. Then he forfeits. No, no, no, no, he's still playing. I forced him to play, I gave him five bucks and he said I'm in.
Speaker 2:He forfeits. I gave him. I told him you're going to get a Chili's and he said I'm in 200.
Speaker 1:Earth dollars, just like Luke Cage For Dr Manhattan. 200 Earth dollars to a man that can create anything and destroy anything he's like, ooh. Him and Venom can't go gambling. Why does he have a gambling problem in this third movie? I don't know what this third movie's about to be. That was fun, that was fun, obviously. Dr Manhattan soloing Villains. Huh, one villains, that was fun, that was fun. Obviously Dr Manhattan soloing villains, huh, one villains, one. All villains, all villains. Okay, you wanna go first, sure, villains, villains, villains, villains, villains.
Speaker 2:I still have one guest character left. That is perfect for this, for this one, and if you know anything about me, you know who I'm picking also Kratos, also picking Also. Kratos Also, kratos, also Kratos.
Speaker 1:Villains give me Sinestro Cyborg, superman and General Zod.
Speaker 2:General Zod Ah, kryptonian, kryptonians, kryptonians.
Speaker 1:Kind of wish I would have saved Darkseid All villains huh, I'm gonna pick Apocalypse oh wait, gonna pick apocalypse. Oh wait, wait, no, no, no. What was the last person I said uh, zod um, who did I say? I said, who did I say cyborg, superman, okay, uh I don't remember who the first one was zod and wait, wait, oh sinestro, wait, I'm going back on all three of those.
Speaker 2:Hold on repeat um reverse he wasicking. He was on the character select screen and then he promptly unselected all his characters.
Speaker 1:He only got one of those, or your system crashes. Okay, erase reboot, I'm going back. Hold on, give me reverse flash. Yep, give me. Huh, give me reverse flash.
Speaker 2:I will stick with General Z, general zod, because kryptonian um a guest villain from anywhere in fiction doesn't have to be yes, villain, you could, you could, you could pick another, you could pick aries. Why can't I pick dr? If you would have picked aries, I would have picked kratos again. No, you can't. He can't come back. Ragnarok, kratos batman?
Speaker 1:no, I need somebody. I need somebody. Hilarious aries, um a villain, uh, can I do? God, emperor doom? No, I don't. You can't steal from my list, isn't that? The most villain thing to do is steal from somebody else's list. Is the one above all a villain. You can't steal from my list, isn't that? The most villain thing to do is steal from somebody else's list. Is the one above all a villain. That's not fair. I can't steal from the Marvel Universe. The hierarchy of power in the Marvel Universe is about to change.
Speaker 2:You're just going to leave Black Manta on the sidelines.
Speaker 1:He always was. Oh, Mr.
Speaker 2:Mixapidilic. What Is that not good? Can't you just say his name backwards and he explodes or whatever. But no, not that?
Speaker 1:Wait, no, I think he has to say his name backwards. And why would he ever say his name backwards, I don't know, but he always does, he always does, and same thing for freaking. Who's the other one that I'm thinking about that always does that crap, marcus, know, but he always does, he always does.
Speaker 2:And same thing for freaking who's the other one that I'm?
Speaker 1:thinking about that, always does that crap. Marcus, marcus, no, no, why do we always keep going back to marcus? You know what? I'll keep it simple. I'll give you a normal villain and I I just need you to counter this villain. Um freaking do, uh, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Gorilla grodd, that'll be fun gorilla grodd, should I put him up against godzilla?
Speaker 1:Come on stop, let's get it out.
Speaker 2:Alright um. I will make America grog again.
Speaker 1:I'm still sticking with Apocalypse first. Okay, he's gonna have to go up against Zod.
Speaker 2:Ooh Apocalypse, Ooh Apocalypse, Um Apocalypse, I'm picking.
Speaker 1:Thanos. Thanos versus Reverse Flash would be. That's a yap-off. It is a yap-off. They won't even fight, they're just going to sit there yapping.
Speaker 2:And we're going to, I mean we'll go half. On Thanos, we'll say he has half the Infinity Stones, or two Infinity Stones.
Speaker 1:Two Infinity Stones versus a guy that can time travel. That's fun.
Speaker 2:Because I can't give him all the Infinity Zones Right, because he could just snap your team out of existence Unless Reverse Flash gets there first.
Speaker 1:That's why that matchup's fun.
Speaker 2:Or he snaps half your team out of existence.
Speaker 1:No, there's half Reverse Flash. He's hopping.
Speaker 2:And then I mean, I had to work this guy in at some point, and your villain's toss-up was the perfect opportunity.
Speaker 1:So and I'm taking Sephiroth Dang Against Grodd. That's just mean Sephiroth is killing Grodd.
Speaker 2:That is so mean we're talking reality manipulation.
Speaker 1:Wait, no, no, grodd can just make him relive his trauma and he'll be good.
Speaker 2:He's fueled by his trauma and he'll be good.
Speaker 1:He's fueled by his trauma. He'll show him good memories and he'll be like oh, maybe I'm not the villain. Oh no, I'm gonna get seth roth to join my team.
Speaker 1:Actually, it's a genius play by grod um, I just feel like my team's winning yeah, that's a tough one apocalypse by himself is a problem, and then thanos no I think, if you want to use that logic, that apocalypse is a pro wait, wait, wait. Do I have three? Yeah, zod versus apocalypse. I mean, as powerful as apocalypse is, you're still going up against the kryptonian yeah, but he's not.
Speaker 2:He's not the kryptonian what?
Speaker 1:does that mean what?
Speaker 2:does that mean he's not the other guy? I should have picked muhammad ali for the other one. What was super going to do in that case? Get knocked out, get the beaters put on him.
Speaker 1:That reverse Flash versus Thanos fight would be all types of fun, because they wouldn't fight for like two-thirds of the movie. You look like a reverse Flash Death, barely newer.
Speaker 2:Y'all are just yapping. I was going to pick Death to counter reverse flash because I know he's afraid of it, right? But again, but also, is death a villain? What do you mean by that? Is death really a villain? Hmm? Hmm, I mean, when you get into the absolute, comically broken stuff that Sephiroth can do, he's truthfully probably beating everyone on your team. He can stop time, he can cast spells. He can summon a giant meteor from space yeah, fair and obliterate the planet. He also can't die. He can be shredded down to a single atom and rebuild himself. Fair.
Speaker 1:Fair, fair, fair.
Speaker 2:It's fair Um one more fun one. Another fun one, all right? Um, I'm just going to go for team synergy here and I'm going to pick Iron Spider, spider-man, venom and Carnage Iron. Iron Spider.
Speaker 1:Venom Carnage. Yeah, that's fun. Um Iron Spider Venom Carnage.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's fun. You're doing team. Oh, I get to do my thing from earlier. I'm picking Mr Freeze, Killer Frost and Captain Cold. I think my team's winning. You want to use your Iceman? Point to this. No, none of those Cold people are as good as Iceman. What Killer Frost, isn't an issue.
Speaker 2:She's an issue, but I think Spider-Man could take her down, unless she rizzes him, in which case he's in danger.
Speaker 1:And he's been known to be rizzed and be completely blinded. Yeah, so is Venom. Carnage is, on the other hand, carnage is just a psycho.
Speaker 2:Carnage is a psycho.
Speaker 1:Captain Cold is going to yap this man to death. He's going to yap this man into sanity. It might work sanity.
Speaker 2:I don't know, man captain, cold is a king yapper he is, but he's also just a man with a cold gun. Come on, don't do this, don't do this to him. Mr freeze is also just a man with a cold gun and where's killer frost?
Speaker 1:I'm I'm making, I'm putting emojis next to my whole team, so I don't reuse them. Where's killer frost? Where'd you go there? She is um one last fun one this guy's having too much fun.
Speaker 2:I'm having fun, um, all right, you go first. This time, not main characters what does that mean?
Speaker 1:um, so, not main characters. Um, all right, all right, yeah, I can do this. Okay, I got you. So nightwing black canary and nightwing black canary and supergirl didn't you use supergirl already no, no, I used, I used um, I used wonder woman instead all right, I'm for, not main characters wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, let me remix it.
Speaker 1:Let me remix it. Do you have enough sidekicks on you? I don't think you have any sidekicks. Um no, not really. I'm gonna pick, I'm gonna go team titans. All right, let's pick a team, form a team from your universe that's not the Avengers or that's not the Justice League. So you can make a team Like pull from a team, pull from a team. They just have to be all on the same team.
Speaker 2:I'm going to pick Wolverine, deadpool and Psylocke, not fair. X-force, x-force.
Speaker 1:Good, x-force, x-force, good luck. Yeah, that's, that's fun. That's fun, so say it again. Wolverine, deadpool and psylocke okay, um, I'm gonna pull raven star, raven, raven, cyborg and starfire dang hmm, you, I mean, you probably.
Speaker 2:I mean, if you save raven, last, you're probably winning.
Speaker 1:Yeah, most powerful, raven. Even Cyborg is a Most powerful. Cyborg is an issue to deal with. Yeah, who's?
Speaker 2:your three again Wolverine, psylocke and Deadpool. Wolverine, psylocke, deadpool. I mean I have to save Deadpool for last Right.
Speaker 1:If you're saving Deadpool for last, I'm saving Starfire for last for comedic purposes.
Speaker 2:Oh, if you're saving. Deadpool for last. I'm saving Starfire for last for comedic purposes. Oh, but canonically, in a Marvel vs Capcom 5, deadpool can take the health bar from another character and beat them over the head with it.
Speaker 1:I guess I'm saving Raven for last. Just a couple, because Raven would turn the health bar into like a death bar instead.
Speaker 2:Just a couple reality manipulators at work. Deadpool and Raven Right Fun. That's a good one. Been in a lot of wars, bub the brave always die first.
Speaker 1:Stop, yet Murder him. He's the planet.
Speaker 2:Wolverine, you're made of metal bones. Ah, my bones. No, my metal bones, my metal bones. Who would have thought my metal bones would be a weakness against a guy that can manipulate Metal?
Speaker 1:Bones. Well, if it isn't the consequences for my own actions.
Speaker 2:Speaking of Metal Bones, I should have done the all weird Bones team.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, marrow, you have Marrow.
Speaker 2:I could have picked Wolverine X-23 and Marrow.
Speaker 1:Weird Bones, team One last Alright, this one we're just. You can reuse a character we're just doing. You're doing your best Avengers versus your best Justice League.
Speaker 2:I mean, you have Superman still, and that's what I thought I'm picking. Oh, I'm picking Hyper War Machine, oh, no, picking Golden Armor War.
Speaker 1:Machine. Okay, I'm putting together my best Avengers or my best Justice League.
Speaker 2:I mean, none of my Avengers can beat Superman.
Speaker 1:Think man Get creative. I mean, how weak is he to magic.
Speaker 2:He's not Because, doctor Strange.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm just putting together my best. Okay, let me just put together a Justice League team. Seven characters, fair Seven, six, jesus, six or seven, I guess six. Okay, perfect, we need like weight music.
Speaker 2:Man. Wow, this is tough, All right. Well, I think I have to use I mean, if I'm doing Avengers, I pretty much have to go Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Doctor Strange, Hulk, Iron man I don't even know how many that was. You'd pick Captain America. I mean, he's there for the rah-rah, but he's really not there for the fight, is he?
Speaker 1:No, him and Batman will punch for a bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they'll just fight forever For hours. Somehow they're the last two standing.
Speaker 1:They would be.
Speaker 2:Just punching each other for hours.
Speaker 1:Or Batman's just flipping a bunch because he can't out-punch Captain America.
Speaker 2:He doesn't have the good old-fashioned American grit, yeah, but he's got Gotham.
Speaker 1:He's got darkness.
Speaker 2:Yeah, probably, he's got Gotham, he's got darkness. Yeah, I'm probably going Black Panther, Captain America, Captain Marvel, Doctor Strange, Hulk Thor and Iron man.
Speaker 1:That's seven. That is seven. I'll add one more. I'll add one more. Hold on, please hold.
Speaker 2:Okay, and I'm picking specifically the Iron man armor that's taken over by the symbiote. What's so funny about that is you?
Speaker 1:had a chance to take the God Celestial armor, but you said the symbiote armor is the one that does it for me.
Speaker 2:The symbiote extremist armor. And I think that's hilarious that I just found out about during recording this episode.
Speaker 1:Insane.
Speaker 2:Did you put?
Speaker 1:Hawkeye on that team? No, yep, good job. All right, if you're going to do that, then I'm just going to go. Superman, batman, wonder Woman, aquaman, flash, green Lantern, martian Manhunter.
Speaker 2:I mean your team probably wins oh wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 1:I picked one too many. I picked one too many.
Speaker 2:Not Mart. I picked one too many, not Martian Manhunter.
Speaker 1:I'm going.
Speaker 2:I'm going Zatanna as my seventh your team probably wins, although I wonder why, although Zatanna and Doctor Strange is a fun little oh, that's a a little duel Doctor Strange probably out magics her right.
Speaker 1:He probably out wisdoms her at the end probably takes her under his wing afterwards oh no, oh no, no, no. She just has to go to Car Martage. Is Car Martage like they should do a Marvel show? Just like they should do a Gen V version of the MCU show at Car Martage?
Speaker 2:This thing can breathe fire. Sorry, I'm reading about Extremio right now.
Speaker 1:Stop, cut it out, get off Extremio. This thing is cracked. Yeah, I had a feeling he's currently Carnage Extremio.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I had a feeling he's currently Carnage Extremebeaut. That's not fair. It says current, alias Carnage. Donny Cates also created this character. Oh jeez, he's also called Iron Symbiote Extreme Carnage. Hmm, extremebeaut Originally one of an army of symbiote dragons brought by the symbiote god Gnoll. Oh, does it mean an extremio might show up in the movie? No, he's not going to be in the movie. During his invasion of Earth, this symbiote was targeted by Iron man when the armored Avenger was attempting to collect a symbiote to save the life of Eddie Brock. Da da, da, da da da. Using a dose of the techno-organic virus Extremis, iron man attempted to rewrite the symbiote dragon's DNA to sever its connection. In the process of subduing the symbiote, the creature infused itself into Iron Man's Model 70 armor. Iron man would then attempt to bond Eddie Brock to a portion of that symbiote, but that gambit failed, since the symbiote remained connected to Knull and Eddie Brock died. Great job, iron man. You killed Eddie Brock.
Speaker 1:All right, we're ending it on a 1v1. Throw out a character on three, three, two, one Doctor Fate. I wasn't ready. Crap, I was going to say Doctor Doom, though, funny enough, doctor Doom versus Doctor Fate probably would be the funniest fight that you ever could have imagined in here.
Speaker 2:Mr Doctor, mr.
Speaker 1:Doctor, doctor.
Speaker 2:Doctor, it's Doom.
Speaker 1:It is going to be Doom for you. Hmm, extrembiote, huh, cut it out Get.
Speaker 2:Hmm, extrembiote, huh.
Speaker 1:Cut it out, get off the Extrembiote. We're done the Extrembiote Wiki. Read social medias dude, we're out of here. That was fun. That was fun. That was the most kid-like we got to be. That was a good time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we were just smashing action figures together, that was great. Because, at the end of the day, none of this matters. But I'm here because it's my job. Yeah, the city's flying All right. I'm picking John Stork Green Lantern the best Green Lantern. He is the best Green.
Speaker 1:Lantern. Did Guy Gardner die? Just kidding, everybody hates Guy Gardner, even Guy Gardner hates Guy Gardner.
Speaker 2:A little bit Step back and we didn't use grid, no, step back and peep the light show. Green Lantern's got this Annihilated, pummeled. He didn't even get regular attacked by those parademons, they just jumped him.
Speaker 1:That was personal. They just jumped him and pumped and punched him. You didn't even do like no, you could have done. Aquaman versus Namor, raven versus Mephisto would be fun. I'm just thinking now. Lex Luthor versus the Super Skrull no fun. I'm just thinking now um lex luther versus hmm, the super scroll no.
Speaker 2:lex luther versus black widow no lex luther versus magneto and he just gets crunched. Power armor a crunch.
Speaker 1:Black Manta versus Black Panther Huh, just kidding. The Atom versus Ant-Man Hmm, nightwing versus Jubilee.
Speaker 2:Nightwing versus Silver Samurai, hmm.
Speaker 1:Why was he in X-Men 97? And he was in there twice I don't know. Alright, we gotta go, man Batgirl versus.
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Speaker 2:Yeah, next week we're going to talk about Agatha all along, finally.
Speaker 1:Yeah, talk some more Emmys. Talk some more symbiotes no, no, I'm actually cutting you off from symbiote talk.
Speaker 2:You're not allowed I've fallen too deep, you have. I've gone too deep into the symbiote hole. Wait, see, wait till you hear all the stuff I got on extreme build after we get off the air they might give you the extreme deal comment to do after that's after that let's get out of here. Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry I'm still reading about things. Stop, stop it. I have so many. He's got a cleansing beam. Excuse me Because he has the Iron man armor. Yeah, I got the all along next week Goated From me.
Speaker 1:Careful, Careful man.
Speaker 2:From the man, from me, from the careful, careful man, from the uh man, from the there's so many here. Hang on the extreme beauty of the podcast no, I'm kidding I'm kidding. I'm kidding from the. There's so many characters here Dang From the, from the, from the Firestorm of the podcast. We didn't use Firestorm which Firestorm All of them.
Speaker 1:That was the correct answer.
Speaker 2:Surprised we didn't use Firestorm.
Speaker 1:Firestorm's cool. I was thinking about putting them on my Justice League roster. They're just too mentally unstable.
Speaker 2:And anatomically unstable as well.
Speaker 1:Alright, let's get out of here. Man, that was it. That's the one who's the most Marvel, unstable? Oh the Punisher, you don't even have to think about that Onslaught. Maybe Because of the dual personality thing, I could have used Onslaught. No, I mean Onslaught versus Firestorm.
Speaker 2:Oh I mean Onslaught's killing Firestorm.
Speaker 1:I'm surprised you didn't use Silver Samurai oh.
Speaker 2:What was he doing on that rooftop?
Speaker 1:I don't know what was he doing he showed him twice.
Speaker 2:He did show him twice. All right, we're getting out of here. I can't believe you used Colossus.
Speaker 1:Insane pull I know, and he got annihilated. He did fine. No, he didn't. He was brutally murdered. No, no, no, he did fine. No, he didn't. You didn't use Blackheart Two or three moments and you pulled that version. He's dead. He's dead.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he got beat up by Gina Carano.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he did.
Speaker 2:Hmm, alright, guys, we will. We'll see you next week for Agatha All Along and some more Symbio Talk no.
Speaker 1:Symbio Corner next week don't you insert my film corner Symbio Corner alright guys, goodbye peace.
