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136 - Celebrating Maggie Smith, Recapping News Across Fandom, Agatha & Penguin Thoughts
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Big news week this week! There’s so much news that we didn’t even have a topic. We just took all the major news of the last week and a half or so and compiled it into some nice discussion. We started things off paying tribute to acting legend Maggie Smith before we dive into news surrounding Ghost of Yotei, Marvel news such as the Thunderbolts and all the DC news including Lanterns casting. We also briefly give our thoughts on Agatha All Along and The Penguin series on HBO! Timecodes are provided if you want to skip around to your topic of choice! Thank you to everyone who continues to support and don’t forget to subscribe to download new episodes as they become available and don’t be afraid to share a rating!
0:00 Intro
01:13 Maggie Smith Passes Away at 89
03:40 Court’s Movie Corner (Sinners, Mickey 17 & A Real Pain)
16:52 Video Game News: Jedi Survivor Sequel & Ghost of Yotei
28:55 The Last of Us Season 2 Trailer, The Ballerina Trailer, & Netflix Animated Trailers
44:00 Marvel Things (The Thunderbolts Trailer & Agatha All Along Thoughts)
01:01:00 DC Things (Lanterns Casting, Superman/Supergirl Casting, & The Penguin Thoughts)
01:24:42 Signing Off & We Have Some Reservations About Joker 2
Topic for Next Week: Joker 2 Review!
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Speaker 2:Infinite Podcast with Robin Korn for Q. Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of the Project Infinite Podcast, the podcast covering the infinite and ever-expanding multiverse of fandom For movies, comics, tv shows, video games. We got you covered. I'm Rob. I'm here, as always, with Court, court. We took a not a break, just a little extended week off.
Speaker 1:Yeah we had some paid time off from the studio, obviously.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then of course, when we do that, um, all of the news happens and all the trailers happen and just boatloads of stuff to talk about. So I mean, we were, we were going to talk about agatha anyway, um, and I got all along.
Speaker 2:That's what we're going to talk about yeah, we're going to talk about that, um, we're going to talk about that and penguin, um, so we will talk about those things still, just probably a little bit more of an abridged um version towards the end of their respective news segments, because we are pretty much just going to talk about a bunch of news and a bunch of trailers this week, um, starting of which a a bit of a bummer once again. Yeah, um. So dame maggie smith passed away, um a couple days ago at the age of 89, 89. So great, great life, great career, obviously for maggie Um, most notable you know to to people my age, as professor McGonigal in the Harry Potter movies, which she played spectacularly, um, one of the best, one of the best parts of that of those movies was her Um.
Speaker 2:And then I I'm obviously Downton Abbey, I mean I, I could, we could do a whole episode on on the things that she was in and in and things that she was great in. And, yeah, just another long career, long life. You know it's obviously sad when these things happen, but you know, 89, she was still doing her thing. Even up until now she was still kind of doing her thing. So, yeah, just wanted to celebrate the life and legacy of Maggie Smith to start this episode.
Speaker 1:Yep, I mean funny enough. She's always in my head for Sister Act Sure.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:A staple of my household, will always be in my head for Sister Act the tough exterior, soft interior.
Speaker 2:and no better way to sum up uh, the beauty and the grace that was maggie smith yeah, that's kind of like you know a through line of a lot of her most you know kind of famous roles too. Was was that, I mean mcgonagall, was that? In the harry potter movie? She, she starts, you know, in sorcerer's stone. You think she's like this, just, you know, just uppity, like just uptight, strict, and then you know she, she's the one that ultimately really comes to care for all those kids right down to the final movie. Just, incredible, incredible career Two Academy Awards, five BAFTA Awards, four Emmys, three Golden Globes, a Tony Award. She's one of the few actors to earn the triple crown of acting. Career started in 1952 on the stage, stage, so she was acting for almost 70 years, um, and it's hard to have have a career more accomplished than that you can only hope to have a career that exactly a fraction of the career that maggie smith had.
Speaker 2:So, um, yeah, I mean, it's just, you know it sucks. You know, losing these, these just figures, these figure heads, these very, you know, we talked about james earl jones, um, last episode, and now maggie smith, and it's just like man, you know it's tough. It's tough, um, so, yeah, um, transitioning out of that. Never easy, of course, but we do have some other things to talk about, starting with some, starting with some films. You can't see me, but I'm putting my, putting my hands up. What time is it on the podcast? It's courts cinema corner time.
Speaker 1:Yes, um, it's catching on two weeks in a row, two weeks in a row, starting with the sinners trailer.
Speaker 2:so this is the movie that we've kind of talked about in passing here and there. Um, as people have been added to the cast, obviously, the synopsis uh, this is the ryan coogler movie starring, of course, michael b B Jordan, his Leo DiCaprio, michael B Jordan's in this. Haley Steinfeld is also in this. This is Ryan Coogler's period piece vampire monster movie and it looks properly spooky and unsettling.
Speaker 1:I mean you want to talk personnel wise? I mean Ryan's back and I was just talking to somebody about this. This is his fifth feature. I know we talk about this all the time with him the trust from a studio, especially a studio like warner brothers, to say, ryan, here's the keys, here's this amount of money, go make something original and new, and it's it felt so vintage in that way. To me it felt so.
Speaker 1:It's funny that we're saying that in a way that like a film that's an original idea, because the immediate reaction I got from this trailer is this this has cult classic potential like this has potential to be one of those movies that people revisit, like when this movie comes out I believe this is a march 7th release when this movie comes out, people are going to be talking about this for a while. It's going to be one of those things in the head. I mean, trailer wise, this is one of the stronger trailers I've seen in a while as well, too. This is such a strong. I mean we're going to talk about several strong trailers, but for a an original idea film that's coming out as well too, I mean I couldn't be happier with the result.
Speaker 1:I mean michael b jordan is heavily carrying that main character energy as well too. This cast is absolutely stacked as to. Stacked as well. I mean michael b jordan, you got delroy lindo, you have hailey steinfeld, amongst others. I mean mean this is really well constructed, but narratively I don't know anything and it's trusting us to be like that's okay, you don't need to know everything now.
Speaker 2:I think Coogler's getting that kind of gravitas at this point where he's becoming one of those guys that he makes a movie and you're like I gotta, I gotta be there.
Speaker 1:I will say the, the way that directors have been evolving over the last couple of years, and it's, it's not evolving, it's just the it is evolving. It's just like it's just the new age directors, it's. I was just having this conversation with somebody as well the other day about, like you know when, and you know I love Martin Scorsese, I love Tarantino. Spielberg and hitchcock are really the two, and kubrick were the ones that were like my name is on this film. People will go watch this film and then in the in, like the blockbuster era, once you started to hit the late 70s, the 80s, spielberg's name was like spielberg's names on this thing. And then, you know, you get to like zemeckis throws his name on the thing, like it's the filmmaker's name. That's really getting this movie sold.
Speaker 1:I feel like we're getting back to that era a little bit where you know you have your denisville news. I mean jordan peele. We talked about a lot how he really is our modern day hitchcock. He really is the one where if he's dropping something, everybody stops to go see it. Denise, denise becoming that way as well too. Or denis drops something, you go to see that thing so and we're going to talk about another director who, after a couple Oscar wins in 2019, has that same level. So I'm just over the moon about this trailer. I think this film is going to be incredible horror for Brian.
Speaker 1:Coogler I think is awesome too. I just like that he put his pen to paper and kind of let it sing for himself.
Speaker 2:I think his if this movie is as good as I believe it will be he's putting together not just an incredible resume, but an incredibly versatile resume, and what did he just turn?
Speaker 1:40?
Speaker 2:Not even, yeah, I don't even think he's.
Speaker 1:Him and Damien Chazelle are around the same age and I mean same thing for Damien Chazelle. Damien has four features under his belt.
Speaker 2:I mean ryan has five yeah, you just look at these five movies and and besides the obviously black panther and black panther, wakanda, forever, these, you know, I guess we consider them four franchises or four, four movies, like we'll consider black panther kind of one, for, like you know, the greater point I'm going to make here. So, like fruitvale station, you have your contemporary you know right drama piece, you have creed, which is this kind of elevated boxing sports movie right um, you have black panther, obviously, which is in the superhero genre, and now you have sinners, which is this horror movie like.
Speaker 2:The versatility is outrageous yeah, and it's.
Speaker 1:It's why narrative is so important. It's always also why personnel is so important. I mean he bought autumn, uh, dar Archipel who shot Loki. She shot Black Panther 2. And I mean we talked about, you know, in terms of the MCU, Black Panther 2 is in like the top three most gorgeous movies that that studio has ever done.
Speaker 2:Yep, I feel like a lot of people locked that movie away too, just because of the subject matter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yep, I was thinking about that. That movie is still incredible. That's still an incredible piece. It is really, and I told you the other day I watched and I was like I, I can't, I can't do it. I truly can't just go back and watch that movie and enjoy it because it's too much pain. But that movie is so well made, yeah, um, and it's so tight. So I'm so glad that she's back as well too.
Speaker 1:Um, because I think this is the second piece they've worked on as well together too. So obviously that's a cinematographer name that people need to kind of throw in their back pocket as well too, because the way she shoots, I think they were using the same they were. They were using the same cameras that Oppenheimer is using. I know this is shot all on all on film as well too, so I mean just that opening shot in the trailer. You, you know you're in good hands. You know there's trust behind this as well, so I am over the moon. I think this is going to be an incredible piece and, like I said, this has true cult classic potential.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I agree. Um, you did mention another director that is having another movie come out, and that would be Bong Joon-ho. Yes, Um, so the director of parasite is coming out with a another movie book, the book, the 2022 novel, mickey 7, it is called.
Speaker 1:This is called mickey 17, um, and it looks properly wacky yeah, and what I love, too, is expectation, expectation subversion as well, too.
Speaker 2:I think that's something to to remember because, yeah, I mean, it's a little weird for a mickey mouse movie.
Speaker 1:No, no, and you know I thought where's mickey rourke in this mickey 17 movie?
Speaker 1:where's mickey mantle, right, mickey mantle. Space yeah, I thought this was a baseball, a space baseball movie with Mickey Mouse, all jokes aside, I mean, obviously and this is what I love about the ideology of what tone is Tone so often gets misconstrued for dark light. It's not necessarily the thing, and we always talk about tone can be a lot of different things. Just don't forget what your tone is throughout. And this trailer, I think, is a lesson in tone and, again to my point, a lesson in subversion. I mean, you're going in and you're hearing all the rubblings.
Speaker 1:Bong Joon-ho is making his big return back to cinema. Everybody apparently loves Robert Pattinson now, even though they hated him a couple years ago. And you put the two of them together and you're thinking, all right, this is going to be this dark and gritty, just like Parasite, and you're like nope, this actually looks like a boatload of dark fun. It looks. How does this look? How do I explain? You made a good point. This to me feels like if Snowpiercer and an episode of Fallout had a baby, yeah, sir, and an episode of fallout had a baby yeah, and bong joon-ho, the greatness of bong joon-ho, directed it with the you know, the absolute versatility of of robert pattinson in front of there yeah, I'm super keen to see, to see what this movie's about.
Speaker 2:I mean, and kind of like to the point you were making earlier about, you know, directors getting kind of more notoriety, I think it's awesome, specifically for him, um, you know, coming off of parasite. And this is one of those instances, like with the oscars, where, like winning that oscar like got people to recognize him and like kind of pay attention to like where his career trajectory is going. So, like now, like you can put his name on the marquee being, like you know, directed by bong joon-ho, and people are intrigued, right, like because of parasite. Like I said, it's like it's, it's bong joon-.
Speaker 1:It's like Greta Gerwig directs a movie. Now. Jordan Peele, obviously Ryan Coogler.
Speaker 2:Zack Snyder what?
Speaker 1:Maybe for better or for worse. You are right. You are actually right about that too, but I just think that's the coolest thing in the world where you know these people that are spending so and not that everybody doesn't work extremely hard on a movie, but the person behind the camera with the vision. It's just great that they're kind of getting the notoriety to be like studios are comfortable selling the movie on their behalf. I think that's something that's really awesome. That's got to make you feel great as well, too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I agree. Then you had a third movie you wanted to mention.
Speaker 1:Yes, I did have a third movie I wanted to mention and I am very upset that you just kind of kicked it to the side as well too so A Real Pain, starring Jesse Eisenberg and Kieran Culkin. This just looks like your, you know, this just looks like your award season going to hit you right in the heart. Obviously, narratively, this is infinitely different than Holdovers, but I kind of get that feel that this is where it's going to kind of strike, like that, you know that dramedy that has a lot of heart encapsulated into it as well too. I just I love again, I love when, like these, you know somewhat comedic or you know more comedic leading actors take this swing and like they get into this genre, like I don't know why 20th Century Woman just popped into my head. They get into this genre.
Speaker 1:I don't know why 20th Century Woman just popped into my head. But movies like that, where again the holdovers, like I was saying, movies like that where you kind of feel like you know what you're going to get and then it gives you that absolute gut punch, holdovers a couple of times, to the point. But no, I'm just super keen to check this one out, I hope, from what I've been hearing, hearing the two of them have been pulling a little bit of oscar nam talk out of that as well too.
Speaker 2:So yeah, and I mean in you know, in eisenberg's case he's yeah, he's been kind of not gone, but he's been kind of like under the radar yeah, yeah, I mean since really since zombie land, to be honest yeah, I mean, he got he, he.
Speaker 1:I can't remember if he directed the art of self-defense that he was in as well too, but I feel like he's somebody that loves the game of which cinema is like, how filmmaking is like a sport, if you want to use that terminology. Sure Him. Dano does the same thing, like, but I can't wait to check this one out. I feel like this is going to be my tearjerker of the year. This is going to be the one that's like Even more than the Andrew Garfield Florence Pugh movie.
Speaker 1:No, that one might. They're a little different. I feel like this one's going to have a little bit more relatability. I can't wait. I can't wait. I can't wait. I saw this trailer a few like, I think, two weeks ago and I was like, oh, or like last week, and I was like this is gonna hurt. This is gonna properly like, make me laugh, love and hurt. Yeah, um, I also want to throw Sean Baker's Anora in there, because that movie is getting the most critical of acclaim that you can get, and I mean Oscar nominee Sean Baker, whose first feature film was shot in an iPhone.
Speaker 1:Sean Sean Baker is, you know, is getting just absolute, just acclaim for what he's doing. I can't wait for that movie. It's I think it's sitting at a 98%. I think it's one of the highest of the year so far too.
Speaker 1:Um, I forget what her name is. That's the main character in the movie. Um, she was in the screen movie movies lately as well too, but apparently what? What I've been hearing is she's borderline a lock for the best actress at this point too, which I think is awesome. So I just love Sean Baker's style. I mean, if you've seen Florida Project, you know it's that same concept. It's like just this real world feeling films that he puts together that just have so much style but so much heart behind them as well too. So, sean Baker, I hope he turns. I mean, in my opinion, he's in my heart, he's a household name, but I hope he gets there, and this might be the film to help him get there as well, too Cool. And then my last thing is we're dipping into the TV cinema corner, but, uh, bill Hader's back. Yes, you want to talk about somebody that you know is loves the game of which we call filmmaking and film.
Speaker 1:I mean, just listen to any of his criterion collection interviews they're always uh, they're always amazing, but I mean I love bill hater, I mean barry. That show means so, so, so much to me as well, too. So it's one of those things it's like from a tv lens and it's funny. I I was just having this conversation about um because I'm, because I was talking about True Detective and I said, if we really want to get into it, mcconaughey was one of the first ones when streaming shows started becoming big. Obviously, it was coming out on HBO itself, but once you hit into the 2016, 2017s, and actors were these movie actors were going into television and how. He was one of the. The. Him and Woody Harrelson were two of the trailblazers to get there as well too. So I just think that's awesome and whatever his vision is for this new project, I'm all in. I mean, he is somebody that's going to be, in my opinion, one of the staples and important to the idea of what streaming shows can and should be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm always super keen to see staples and important to the idea of what streaming shows can and should be. Yeah, yeah, I'm always, I'm always super keen to see anything that Bill Hader does. Yes, his mind is just phenomenal.
Speaker 1:It is, it's he is one of the best. It's almost like the idea of like psychological warfare of the mind, but also in a way where, like it's just a regular guy that's just going through some stuff. Yeah, and that's what sells Barry so well.
Speaker 2:Yes, 100%. Got some video game news? Yeah, we do. So Sony had a state of play. People were kind of, you know, sony's PlayStation has taken a bit of a beating over the last couple of weeks. I have a point for that too. You know, they have been kind of spinning their wheels a little bit. They've been I mean, quote unquote the console wars. They've been winning it pretty handily. But I just feel, I do feel like over the last couple years things have gotten a little wheel spinny. You know why.
Speaker 1:I was thinking about this, I was thinking heavily about this, because I thought to myself I said, yeah, people were, people were really not liking the state of play. And I said because, when you, when you get to that point where spider-man last of us, ghost of tsushima, um, what else do they have?
Speaker 1:um final fantasy 7 final fantasy 7 um, not far cry um. Horizon the horizon series. Like we're not even naming all. Final Fantasy VII, final Fantasy VII, not Far Cry. Horizon, the Horizon series. We're not even naming all of them. I feel like I'm missing one God of War. God of War, yeah, yeah, you're talking these massive video game IPs that run and we talked about on here when we talked about Fallout and the Last of Us on here and how it started to shift. When we were kids it was like shooter, shooter. But now it's like narrative. Narrative, like we need there, like narrative, is the thing that's going to sell the games at this point. So, when you were so strong for so long, and there's that little bit of the low, anything besides. Here's the last of us three trailer. Here's the spider-man three trailer. Here's the here's. I mean, we did get one at the end. Here's the god of war, whatever the new people are gonna be like. Well, this wasn't for nothing it was.
Speaker 2:I mean, it was kind of in a way it was was kind of brilliant the way that they, they, they kind of capstone this thing, so, like they did. Basically they did the big ps5 pro sizzle reel. Which gorgeous it's gorgeous, dude. I I so badly want to be like don't support, you know, consumerism, that type of shit. But there is probably going to come a time where I'm going to get one.
Speaker 1:That console is that 30th anniversary. I just need the controller. That controller is gorgeous.
Speaker 2:That thing does look like it's going to make things run a lot smoother. I mean for the longest time. When the PS5 came out, people were like you know, I think it's only a handful of games. I think really Spider-Man, for the most part, and Ghost of Tsushima, when they remastered it are the only games right now that can support a 4K 60 frames thing, and now the PS5 Pro will be able to do that.
Speaker 1:And also I think we talked about this off the pod, but we were talking. I guarantee you some studios are waiting, they're waiting it out until it's like we can actually get the absolute maximum of what we're going to give the system before it's like, before it's too much to handle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I've seen, you know they showed. They showed a bunch of games off that are essentially going to be like not remastered, but like redesigned and patched for the PS5 Pro. And I mean I saw Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth and it looks People were like it looks the same. It doesn't look the same. If you put the PS5, current PS5 version of Rebirth, which already looks incredible, and put it next to what they're showing off in the PS5 Pro, it looks amazing.
Speaker 1:I think Druckmann's waiting for it as well too.
Speaker 2:So they did the PS5 Pro thing. Then they did the Horizon Zero Dawn PS5 remaster, which people were groaning over. But that game is gorgeous, man.
Speaker 1:It was gorgeous to begin with.
Speaker 2:It was one of the best-looking PS4 games into PS5 games, I mean when they patched it originally for PS5, and then I mean Horizon Forbidden West. I still think is the best-looking PlayStation 5 game that's come out to this point. It's probably that and Ghost of Tsushima are the two.
Speaker 1:Don't sleep on the Last of Us, part 2.
Speaker 2:No, yeah, people were groaning about the Horizon remaster, but it is going to be $9.99. If you have Horizon Zero Dawn already, it will be $9.99. You can still get it for pretty cheap on the PlayStation Store now. If you want, get it now so you can get the upgraded version. I mean, I'm keen to go back into horizon when that comes out, and then you think that's how the state of play is going to end. And then they just drop a, a black and white. Black and white japanese landscape. Um, like a shock drop trailer at the end, like but here's one more thing. Um, black and white japanese landscape, voiceover, and then the screen goes black. The sucker punch logo comes up, crowd goes wild. Um, it is the ghost ghost sequel, but, um, a lot of differences, a lot of things changing, and I really enjoy the direction that this is going.
Speaker 1:I mean too I'm, I'm into it and the big thing that they said. So this game is called the Ghost of Yotai.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:No Jin Sakai in this game. This is a completely new story.
Speaker 2:It takes place 200 years after Ghost of Tsushima.
Speaker 1:They should do that every time. Every time they make another 200 years Until they get to 2003.
Speaker 2:And then you show off the new, uh, new protagonist, um, new mechanics. I think it's. I think it's great, um, for a multitude of reasons. First and foremost, the first reason I think it's great is it addresses the problem A lot of people have with Spider-Man two, um, in which it's it's just New York again, um, it addresses that cause. It's going to take place on a whole new area, um, I think that's with a big mountain, a big, big visual mountain, um, and I think that's a brilliant move because, like I said, it addresses it. It allows them to to conceivably and believably do more with the engine that they already have, because, hypothetically, if they were just going to do Ghost of Tsushima 2 and it was going to continue Jin's story, I mean, where do you go? You're kind of limited by the mechanics of the time period in which Jin exists.
Speaker 1:It's not only the mechanics and I mean, this is the big thing that dictates. It should dictate everything. In my opinion, it's the story. Where do you go? Like, what a way to end Jin's story, something that people you know, and you had two options to end Jin's story on top, yeah, so how, how much further can you take it to to give somebody and give a new protagonist a name and a life? Because Jin.
Speaker 2:A lot of people are, are being like, are mad because I mean, I know why people are mad there's that, there's that part of it, but there's also the part of it of saying, like Jin's story wasn't finished, like what about him going toe-to-toe with the shogun? But like that wasn't the point, no of ghost, of tsushima, no, it was. It was the inner struggle of jin honor versus doing what the right, doing what's necessary to save your people. Right, and he came to that.
Speaker 1:He came to that, like that story reached its conclusion right, and then, what a perfect antagonist to throw his uncle like. That ended in the most poetic way. Whichever, whichever way, you chose it in the most poetic way possible. So the prospect of you retool the engine, you, you maximize it as best you can for the ps5 pro and you give us a new protagonist to learn, learn from and learn with, I think that's a.
Speaker 2:I think that's a stellar idea and the idea of keeping the ghost name making the ghost name as the thing that keeps the series. It props up Jin even more? Yeah, because like, do you really think they're going to go through this game and not have allusions to him Give?
Speaker 1:your point.
Speaker 2:Give your point. Well, he's going to be. He could conceivably be the guiding wind. Yeah, like Jin could be the guiding wind. Or, you know, you unlock ghost stance by fighting jinn, some type of mythical thing where he shows up.
Speaker 1:I said it when we talked about ghost of tsushima. I wonder if this game's gonna dive into the mythical aspect of what the online gameplay was was kind of alluding to as well yeah.
Speaker 2:So this idea that jinn is just gonna be non-existent I think is farcical, like I. There's the. The reason the game is called the ghost of yotei is because and the reason it takes place 200 years after, in my opinion, is that it's jinn has become this batman-esque figure in japan where, like his, the legend of the ghost is. He became the legend. He becomes the legends that you learn about in ghost of tsushima. He he's that now, which I think is super freaking cool and I think that's such a great way to pay homage to the character. And it does leave the door open, like if you wanted to do Ghost of Yotei now, you could do Ghost of Tsushima 2 after this yeah, you could If you wanted to, you really could do that.
Speaker 2:So I think it's super cool. Obviously, the visuals are second to none. I mean, I think like super cool. Um, obviously, the visuals are are second to none. I mean, I think, like I said, along with gorilla games who made horizon, I think sucker punch has maximized the potential of the play station 5 better than maybe any studio, and that's honestly because the only reason I would not say naughty dog is because they haven't technically developed anything for the ps5 yet. So, um, I mean, we'll see what happens with them down the road. Um, I think square enix has done a masterful job, um, with their stuff but marvel's the avengers nope um she has a gun in this game she has a gun.
Speaker 2:I'm all for that she has dual, dual blades.
Speaker 1:Yes, how are you not in like yeah, what more do you want, what more do you?
Speaker 2:want. That's the coolest. There could be a wolf companion based off this trailer.
Speaker 1:It looks like yeah, I upgraded my fox to a wolf Like what are we talking about?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and, like I said, the visuals look insane, so I'm all for that. And then other video game news EA has confirmed that the Jedi Survivor sequel third game will be the final game in the Jedi line, so it will probably be the last we see of Cal Kessis in video game form.
Speaker 1:yes, because we got another point in a second yeah, I feel like this is gearing him up for some type of live action thing yeah, I mean, wasn't it confirmed by Variety I can't remember who confirmed it, it might have been the Hollywood Reporter Variety that Cameron Monaghan is going to come to live action at some point. It's something that he talked about, that he was yeah, he talked about you to you personally.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he said it to me personally yeah, he did, he said when you met cameron monaghan a couple weeks ago. He said hey, rob, I would love to be a live action cal kestis, I'm just waiting for the phone call. And then rob dialed the phone to his other friend, bryce dallas howard, and he also met and said Bryce boy, do I have the movie for you? Redheads unite, Redheads unite, Like let's get this movie rolling. Um, I think that makes total sense Would that not be the coolest thing.
Speaker 1:A Bryce house. Bryce Dallas Howard directed Cal Kestis show.
Speaker 2:I would watch.
Speaker 1:I would watch that. Throw all the characters in there Several times over. Get all the people Wait. Oh, there's one person we can't have in there, master Cordova.
Speaker 2:Your favorite character he does nothing.
Speaker 1:My friend, my friend, you're not my friend.
Speaker 2:My friend Find the thing, find the thing no.
Speaker 1:Man when I pulled up in the second game and he was alive, I've never wanted to hit somebody so bad. What did you make me do all that crap? For what do you mean? You're alive.
Speaker 1:That was wild, but no, I think a trilogy for these jedi games makes total sense I mean, it's the crowning thing that star wars games has right now, and you know I love when games get innovative and that opening that not, it's not only opening that world up, it's the perspective view that the narrative took. It took the god of war approach in the narrative as well too, just kind of the you're, you're doing your, your one-shot take for the entire game essentially too, which is really awesome. There are some great set pieces, but I mean, character-wise, cal Kestis is one of my favorite video game characters now he's he's and one of my favorite Star Wars characters. He's, truthfully, one of the most complex Star Wars characters that we've had in a while too. And I mean, that second game does really what you know second parts of trilogies does well, and it beats the crap out of Cal a bit, it'd be. It really knocks them down a bit and kind of deconstructs them even further than what the first game did.
Speaker 2:Yeah and uh. You know we talked. We talked about Jedi survivor on here and I loved the approach they took, even with the beginning of the game where, like, you have all the stuff and now here's more stuff.
Speaker 1:You know one thing that game could probably add if because that second game added like the most.
Speaker 2:So much, it added so much. You know what.
Speaker 1:the third game should add right, flying. He flies now. He flies now. A Jedi with a jetpack. No, not like that. I mean like he has like you, do like you, that'd be cool. Space missions. I mean Star Wars Outlaws has that. Yeah, get him an X-Wing or something. Yeah, one X-Wing, we're saved. It's Cal Kestis Fuck Gina.
Speaker 2:Carano, gina Carano, and then kind of transitioning from video games to video game adjacent, we got a Last of Us trailer on Last of Us Day. Oh God, this felt like a like, a like y'all must have forgot trailer to me because it feels like people were like people do this with the last of us. You can't see what I'm doing. I'm doing like a, I'm doing a wave motion with my arms right now. That's how he's actually break dancing. That's that's how people are with the last of us.
Speaker 2:It's it's like this thing is the best thing I've ever seen. And then it's like actually it's bad, actually we hate this. And then it's like wait, no, this is actually really really good. And then it's like we actually hate this and the show is suffering from the same thing. Like I feel like I feel like the show came out and people were like this is like the best thing I've ever seen. And then, like some time passed and we're like, actually we're sick of the last of us. And then the first trailer for the second season came out and we are like I actually know this is actually really good television that we're probably about to get. It's not going to get any less crazy over time. People are going to be mad about stuff, but I thought this trailer looked spectacular.
Speaker 1:Unfortunately, this is one of the best trailers that I've seen. Unfortunately, I mean this is one of the best trailers that I've seen. Unfortunately, I mean this. I mean this is do I bold state claim this is my favorite? Like franchise narrative. Like I love the Last of Us more than conceivably possible. Like I love this story so freaking much.
Speaker 1:And I mean, again, you have Druckmann's original story and you get the adaptation, but the fact that craig mazen is just kind of adding the last layer of like finality to it is what makes the show truthfully incredible. I mean, the show operates in kind of plausible realism, but also the fantasy is the ideology that hope exists in a universe like this, and it keeps getting. You know, craig Mason always makes the point of like theme isn't a thing, theme is a question. So, like you know it's it's part of one of the score pieces that, uh, gustavo Santolalo put in for the last of us.
Speaker 1:Part two score like allowed to be happier. Like are you allowed to be happy? And I like are you allowed to be happy? And I mean the way they structure this is by and with a brand new character is Joel's therapist is essentially like what did you do? Like you're not telling me something, like something. You're not telling me something. And what's the line she gives? She says the first like piece to healing is by saying it out loud, like and it's from the last trailer, or the last piece of the trailer from the HBO season reel where he's like I saved her.
Speaker 2:Jesus Christ, joel. But they frame it. I like the way they framed it in this in the sense of like, not a question of like, it's not what did you do? In the sense of like Tommy asking him in the game of like, what did you do? Like, oh god, like, how bad is it? Like the way the therapist frames it is like tell me what happened. Like, just tell me what you did. And you know, I kind of like the idea that they switched it from him having the conversation with tommy to having this conversation with this, with this therapist. Like, imagine, just, first of all, just imagine a therapist in this post-apocalyptic world. First of all, that's a brilliant idea.
Speaker 1:It's such a brilliant idea and it's also it's a brilliant idea because of the commodity like oh, I got some points. We might have to spoiler section off this part when we talk yeah. Because some game things are going to be talked about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can't not Right. I mean final non-spoiler thoughts on this trailer. I mean just it looks physically phenomenal. I mean the work they're putting into the show. You can tell that HBO knows how important this is. They pumped some extra money into the season. You know that hbo said this is this might be our staple at this point. This might be the one that really sells our network. I mean house of the dragons. I'm gonna be on break like this, them taking that january slot. It's the first thing of the year. This rolls right into the oscars where people are already in like, uh, I need some high cinema things. Like it's the perfect place to put it. And I mean just, god dang, this trailer just looks great, like I can't say much more beyond that without getting into spoilers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and I mean you know we did see, we saw some new faces. Finally, in this trailer we saw Dina, we saw Jesse, we saw Abby, we saw Jeffrey Wright. Obviously he's back as isaac, which personally me, I'm the most excited, hopefully that he gets kind of like an expanded role. For those of you don't know, jeffrey wright is in the last of us, part two um, as isaac and he kind of he's there, he's there, but he's kind of, uh, he's kind of a tertiary antagonist for, for a for for a later bit, but he, I might I say jeff, say Jeffrey Wright is looking phenomenal.
Speaker 1:I don't know how old Jeffrey Wright is, but that guy's keeping in shape, getting Oscar noms. He's awesome. But we do Channel favorite Jeffrey Wright. We love Jeffrey Wright here.
Speaker 2:We do have to dive into some spoiler stuff. I mean, we've spoiled this game on previous episodes. Yeah, we got our first real look at caitlin devere as abby and the first thought I had was man, she looks a lot like abby, it's?
Speaker 1:almost like they made a great pick, and I mean something you're doing with caitlin devere's as well, too is understanding where she comes from for her acting career. I mean, she's really well liked, in my opinion too. I think a lot of people like her, which is good, um, and we and we talked about it. I mean one thing that I I'm still going to hold claim until we find out who it is, or maybe it's somebody that you know is not really well known, but I still think throw an actor in that in the role of her father, like throw it, throw an actor in there that people love. I'm still holding strong on my Paul Rudd one. Like people love Paul Rudd. What if Pedro Pascal murdered Paul Rudd? The world?
Speaker 2:would be up in arms. Yeah, I told you they have to. You know not that I'm telling these professionals how to make a TV show, but I think they have to do something that the game didn't do and make Abby not.
Speaker 1:Don't make her this unknown, make her this known that you want to root for before the horrible thing happens, and the easiest way to do that is just show loss, like show what she's lost, like show she lost. It's just this girl that all we know is she lost her father and she's trying to just keep this militaristic community that they have afloat while they're at this endless war with these fanatics.
Speaker 2:Essentially, Because the conflict within the viewer or the player doesn't come with abby. It doesn't come to way way later in the game when you kind of unpack all that like because the game obviously opts for this, the shock value thing that comes in the first. You know the first hour or two of the game, right with what, what happens with joel. But I think for the tv show to be effective you can't do that, you gotta. If Abby's going to be one of your POV characters, you have to. You have to make her feel like, you have to make it seem like the actions that she's doing are justified, because they are. They are justified, but you have to present it that way as well.
Speaker 1:Right and I mean obviously the the massive big question is when is it going to happen?
Speaker 2:When is it going to happen?
Speaker 1:I mean.
Speaker 2:And it's going to happen. It's going to happen Based on these trailers. It's going to happen and it's going to happen this season.
Speaker 1:I think it would be a disservice to not have it happen this season as well too.
Speaker 1:I mean, ultimately, what's going to happen is he's going to come back in later seasons, in the flashbacks, In the flashbacks, yeah, and that's where you can really gut punch, because I think they know, and I think Pedro Pascal's team and him know that you know how fruitful this can be for him and like how much people love Joel and that's just the gaming community like One of the biggest things from the end. You know it's funny. I know what's going to happen on Sunday that you're going to send me on Sunday Happy birthday, kiddo. It's going to happen.
Speaker 1:And I mean, like that's what I think, like what I'm rationalizing how I feel the structure of this whole thing is going to be. Like I keep imagining like what if you bring them back for that scene in season three? And you're like, oh, and then you have the tommy uh, the tommy joel and ellie scene. Where they're, he teaches her how to use the cypher, like woof, like, and you keep sprinkling pedro pascal back and you're like, and again it drives home the point, because I don't think we're gonna, we're not getting to any of the santa barbara stuff till season three, like that is, that is dedicated season three and he said amazing, said like this is gonna need, said like this is going to need four seasons, like this will at least need four season.
Speaker 1:I still am of the accord that we're going to get the last of us part three and the last of us part three will be season four, cause I think the second game you split into two seasons. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I have a swing they're going to kill them in the first episode, but they're going to tell the story nonlinearly throughout the whole season.
Speaker 2:Oof man? That would be crazy.
Speaker 1:For somebody that's as smart and that gives so much back to the writing community that Craig Mazin does. This is his biggest challenge he's ever done in his career, because obviously season one is going to—it's weird to say, because how complex season one was and how incredibly executed season one was it's gonna sound like dumb to say this but like it's a little easier than this season and season three. Like this is might be in terms of like we're not naive, like the gaming community is full of certain types of people. Like yeah, you have possibly the most difficult task you can ask as a creative.
Speaker 1:Like make everybody happy like that's gonna be one of the most difficult things he's gonna have in his head. Like how do I keep everybody happy? And like you can do the podcast after each episode as much as you want. Like people's knee-jerk reaction is gonna be people's knee-jerk reaction. Yeah, I think ultimately that's why-jerk reaction.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think ultimately that's why I think you know kind of to dissuade from your point is, I think they're going to hold it off on it for at least till mid-season, if not till later in the season.
Speaker 1:I think it's too easy to do it in the season finale, because I think it and again we've talked about the Last of Us, part II, and you my stance on the whole thought process that that's the whole point. Like it's not supposed to feel good that he's dead. That's the point. Like that's why they did it in the beginning of the game. Like this sucks, like this I, and it's both ways. It's allegorical Cause, like you know, Ellie lost her father figure, but like we lost our point of view, character and like.
Speaker 1:And then you start asking the grief questions Like where are they? What could we have done? Like you can't, there's, you don't have any power over this. It's done, it's over. And now you have to sit with that pain, like I think Mason's smart enough to understand. Like the earlier you do gives the, the audience like abuse them, like an abuser characters. Like abuse them, like get them really in a horrible place before you can give them any more any sort of emotional catharsis. After that. I feel like I just feel like he's too good, like he, like I said, this is his biggest challenge, but it could be his biggest triumph on top of that yeah, yeah, I'm just, I'm super, you know, it's like the those who know, those who don't know.
Speaker 2:But like.
Speaker 1:I can't wait to see people that have never played the game's reaction to all this.
Speaker 2:I cannot wait yeah, and I mean hopefully they've been able to stay away from yeah stuff you know um the ballerina trailer the book from the book of john wick. They should have called it the book of john all the movies are chapter one, chapter two, chapter three. Why did you not call this the Book of John Wick? I don't understand. But anyway, we did get the ballerina trailer and Darmus is in her action bag Again.
Speaker 1:That's something we talked about when we were talking about no Time to Die, like how she was such a bright spot in that movie too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's getting one in this trailer and it looks very John Wick-ish.
Speaker 1:And at this point in the John Wick universe, that's exactly what you need to go for. You understand the assignment. Yeah, they did a.
Speaker 2:Dragon Ball beam struggle with a flamethrower and a fire hose, but then also the action's super tight.
Speaker 1:The action's still super tight, the action's great. Rip to Lance Reddick. This is his last role that he has. Um, I mean, the big thing, the big needle drop, is that keanu reeves is back. Yep keanu. Reeves said his end arm is in this movie and they said yes, he said I will be in this movie then takes place between three and four.
Speaker 2:So all you don wick, for he survived at the end.
Speaker 1:Truthers we'll have to wait. Yeah, relax um, give it a little bit.
Speaker 2:He did survive, but anyway he definitely did um, it is. Yeah, it looks great. I'm super excited for this. Um, in terms of spinoff stuff, everything gets a spinoff now, but I think this is a universe and a lore that has been built up well enough. Um, after four john wick films, that it deserves.
Speaker 1:It deserves a spinoff and I think the lore of this world is very interesting yeah, and I mean after four we talked about how technically sound that 4 was as well too Like this John Wick series is such a staple of Hollywood at this point, and like the idea of modern action kind of runs through John Wick, so you know, more power to them. I think that Ando Armis looks like she's having a boatload of fun with this as well too, and I think that's awesome. So as long as the action's tight, you give me some sort of narrative that's like all right, then I'll be fine. Like I don't need every movie to be goodfellas, but I mean, like I said, after no Time to Die with this. Like this might be something that end to Armis. Like this might be her bag. Like this action, because she looks somewhat believable Not somewhat. She looks pretty dang believable and, dare I say, comfortable in this action role as well too, agreed, agreed, yeah, I'm super excited for it.
Speaker 2:Um, then, the only miscellaneous thing I got, netflix came out with a bunch of stuff. Um, black mirror got a little teaser trailer. Um, which you know I'm, black mirror is like one of those old hat netflix shows. At this point it's like the old, it's like old yeller, it's like one of the old yeller shows of netflix, which I think is cool that it's still kicking around. Um, and then a bunch of animation stuff. So arcane got a new trailer, which that show is phenomenal.
Speaker 2:Um, and then two, uh two video game adaptations got animated trailers. Splinter cell um, got an animated trailer which if you've never played the splinter Cell games, I highly recommend you track them down because they are great. And Devil May Cry, which I think if again, I love this idea that this is how malleable and why I love video game adaptations so much they're so malleable. Like you can do the Last of Us and have it be live action. Like you've got to tailor the thing you're adapting to the medium and I think you can't do Devil May Cry in live action. You can try, but it will come off looking really cheap and really dumb. In my opinion, devil May Cry is ripe for an anime-style thing.
Speaker 1:Now you're the anime guy here, I'm the high cinema guy here. I'm excited for that, for Devil May Cry, for one reason, and his name's Johnny Youngbosh Johnny.
Speaker 2:Youngbosh. Yes, johnny Youngbosh is voicing Dante Devil May Cry. Fans will also know Johnny Youngbosh as Nero in the Devil May Cry, in Devil May Cry 4 and 5 and I just learned that 20 minutes ago, which is funny, he is.
Speaker 2:Nero is Dante's nephew, he's Virgil's son, and, and so Johnny Youngbash is going to end and people were like why Dante's had three different voice actors over the course of the Devil May Cry games. So I think Johnny and the last Dante voice actor quit acting. So, yeah, johnny Youngbash, he's great. He's a great voice actor. He's done a ton of great voice work and I'm just excited to see when the season inevitably ends and they tease Virgil at the end, because that's essential. That's exactly what they're gonna do. Um, because people are like, where's virgil? He's gonna show up at the end of the season. You, you just watch, um, marvel, marvel stuff, thunderbolts trailer. Yeah, um, we talked about this a while back because it got leaked, um, so we watched it on our grainy little, grainy little secondhand cams and we talked about a little bit, and now we've actually seen it and, um, all the things that we said about this trailer and this movie beforehand still stand. I think this movie is going to be quite good it just looks.
Speaker 1:It looks like the age of ultron days of the way that they were shooting these movies. But it's also got a. Really. I mean, dare I say it, because I'm thinking of fc. I won't say the name because it's high cinema court. I won't say the name of the movie because you never talk about FC, but it's got that finish to it, like it's got that action, it's got that early 2000s action. Little bit of finish on top of it too. This movie's color graded. I was surprised. I said wait a minute, wait a minute. This looks like there's a color finish on top of this too. But I mean, you want to talk character-wise. This is kind of how you have to focus on this as well too, before we get nerdy. I mean, this movie looks like it's going to be a boatload of fun, but also, you know, gritty, grungy and like a much-needed piece, I think, in the modern day of Marvel, because this is a big piece we've been missing for a little bit.
Speaker 2:Something like this, yep, yeah, yeah, I agree, and I think you know we talked about it when the trailer was kind of leaked online, basically, you know, confirming that Yelena is going to be kind of like the POV character, which I think is brilliant. Um, it's nice, obviously, that we're going to have like an ensemble cast, but even in ensemble cast, and I think having it be Yelena is great. I mean, my only other alternative would have been John Walker.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we've talked about how great of a character we think and how much potential he has in this universe as John Walker, and you know, I think I talked to you One character I would have loved to see them, but this is a hindsight's 2020, because he thought his movie was getting made. I feel like, especially post-Secret Invasion, don Cheadle would have been perfect for somebody like that, for something like this, like, put you know, you have a Captain America, you have an Iron man, like put them all in this movie and then have it, you know, because I still think this is going to turn out to them all being the Dark Avengers. This is what it's going to. They're in Avengers Tower in this. Yeah, you get the world's you know, most perfect, quote-unquote, most perfect super soldier out of all this too.
Speaker 1:So this trailer introduces Bob, which, for all my friends inside baseball, you're Century from the Marvel comics, aren't you? Mm-hmm. Lewis Pullman from Bob Pullman? Shout out. So what do you think the deal is? What's the deal? What's the deal with the Thunderbolts? I'm going to call it now. I'm going to. Is I? What's the deal? What's the deal with the thunder? I'm gonna call it now. I'm gonna. I'm gonna get my, my nerd theory. I think that they're gonna mix the extremis with the, with the super soldiers with erskine's super, like the perfected version of erskine serum.
Speaker 2:So you're telling me there's a chance that extreme biote could be no, no, not to.
Speaker 1:we're not doing this two weeks around, absolutely not. You're telling me there's a chance. I think what's gonna happen is earth's kind serum mixed with the extremists, like they're gonna mix all the super soldier serums from around the universe, and what's gonna happen is pretty good, it's gonna have the reaction that's a never ending reaction that mimics the uh, that mimics the power of a thousand exploding suns. Wait, you're century for marvel comics, aren't you? Oh, no, he's, he's the Void now, yeah, and it's going to split Bob Psyche in two and then we're going to I don't, they're not going to take the swing where, like, he goes to Doctor Strange because obviously he can't go to Rebirth. No, no, no, no, don't start this. Yeah, battle of New York. He was everywhere, don't?
Speaker 1:start this, why not?
Speaker 2:We got enough of that in Agatha all along. We don't need to be doing this now with the Thunderbolts.
Speaker 1:But we were right. In Agatha, they did the thing in Agatha, all along, they did do the thing, they did the thing.
Speaker 2:But no, this trailer looks super cool. Super interesting things are happening. I like that because one of the complaints about this when it was announced was like all these characters kind of do the same stuff and in this trailer we've we come to, we come to learn that they definitely do not do all the same stuff. They all have a very particular set of skills. To quote a great movie taken from liam neeson, they all have a very particular set of skills, um, the best of which I think might be ghost.
Speaker 1:I told you before we hopped on. I said I'm most keen to see Ghost out of everybody in this trailer because also I think that her character is fun as heck. I think she's going to do a great job.
Speaker 2:Made me retroactively angry at Peyton Reed. I still don't think that's Peyton Reed's fault. Where was this cool stuff in the Ant-Man movie that this character was doing? Maybe he didn't have it yet. They threw a knife at her. She phased through the knife, caught the knife on the other end. I'm like, whoa, is she cool now, is she?
Speaker 1:yeah, she might lock in the heat check performance of the whole movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not gonna be taskmaster I'll tell you that right now it might be taskmaster in the first 15 minutes, like they did in the suicide swabs um red guardians in this yeah, david harbour's having a bunch of drunk fun and he might die.
Speaker 1:I mean, I wouldn't see him surviving after this too, and I feel like you know who I think he's gonna have an interesting relationship with. It's gonna be john walker, because he didn't get his due with steve rogers. So john walker's the next thing he's like yeah, you're a disappointment.
Speaker 1:And john walker's, like I know um bucky going after them. Yeah, well, I mean obviously, what's the thing? Bucky's a senator now. Well, he's not. Bucky's doing the old American thing where I don't care that you're a politician, you're also going to lead the army, he's definitely doing some Winter Soldier-esque brooding at the end of the trailer.
Speaker 2:He's got the Winter Soldier gun again.
Speaker 1:He's got the Winter Soldier hair. He's got the Winter Soldier hair. He's back. He's never been more back.
Speaker 2:He's never been more back. He's shooting the Thunderbolts car. Yeah, interesting. Yeah, is he like? What's the deal there?
Speaker 1:They're going to punch for it. Well, he's going to. The government's going to send him after the Thunderbolts, who are obviously on the run, and then Bucky, heck, bob. They probably take bob.
Speaker 2:They're like we're not just gonna murder this, this innocent man and, of course, like they would send bucky and it's kind of that is kind of an interesting turn for bucky too, like he went from being the hydra's weapon to being the us government and he can't escape it and this movie, a big thing is self-identity, in my opinion, and then obviously the biggest surrogate for that is bob, but it trickles throughout.
Speaker 1:Everybody, and I mean you go to John and Yolanda talks about it in the trailer it's purpose. Like what's my purpose, they're going on the Richie from the bear season 2 arc. Like what's my purpose, cuz like what's what is my purpose?
Speaker 1:I think it's a super good idea and especially for these characters, and it's such a smart way to do it, and you can tell they carefully pick this team as well, too. Yep, that's apparent, and, like I said, this is why I would have loved to see Rhodey in this movie too. Again, especially after Secret Invasion, what a better time to talk about what his purpose is. He did not have control over himself for how many? We don't know how long. We don't know how long it was for.
Speaker 2:But I digress on that point.
Speaker 1:But I mean, this trailer looks tight. It looks sharp. I wasn't expecting it to look this technically sound as well too, so I'm really invested. I'm really invested in these characters.
Speaker 2:I hope it maintains it and, taskmaster, I hope it maintains it. Man, I hope it maintains it and I hope it doesn't.
Speaker 1:I hope the third act doesn't unravel this movie. Yeah, I thought the same exact thing and again there's a big needle drop in this movie somewhere, because we don't. Apparently we're supposed to know what this? Asterisk means yeah, they're going to be the dark avengers. They're just going to be the government's avengers, or dallas avengers, specifically yeah, I mean, that makes a.
Speaker 2:That makes a lot of sense, I think. Um, ghost rider got got some, got some buzz in the last couple weeks. Um, apparently marvel studios, or at least someone at marvel studios, has been pitching a ghost rider disney plus series that would follow danny ketch, the danny ketch version of ghost rider. No, why, yeah, why would you pick? Why would you pick the third, the third best ghost rider out of three to adapt? I mean, I understand they've done johnny blaze, they've done. Um, why is the other robbie ray, as they've done, but Robbie Reyes?
Speaker 2:incredibly, well, I might say just do one of those again. Don't do Danny Catch, just do. If you're gonna do Ghost Rider, do one of those would be, would be my, my ask um. Danny Catch also has hilariously the worst looking Ghost Rider costume yeah, it's, it's not great, I must say so don't do that, marvel, if you're going to do Ghost Rider Also.
Speaker 2:we're going to talk about Agatha now, but the mystical stuff I've been saying over the last couple weeks my refrain has been their mystical stuff is the most kind of consistent that they've been doing. So let's talk about Agatha all along briefly.
Speaker 1:Just overall thoughts on the first three episodes now I mean you, you want to talk about the cell of this being the second part of the trilogy, which is the the wandavision trilogy. It's, it's, it's an incredible, it's incredible bridge piece, and I mean it's down to paying homage to the narrative structure of what wandavision is it lets?
Speaker 2:katherine han flex is like oh, I'm not the hero of this thing, like I'm still Agatha, I love that they're not doing like oh, here's this ridiculous, I'm a good guy now I suck, I suck and I know I suck, I know I'm not a good person on top of that too, but there might be someone else in this show that sucks more yeah.
Speaker 1:Aubrey.
Speaker 2:Plaza, she's her.
Speaker 1:Actually I'm impressed. Aubrey Plaza.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's her. Yeah, actually, yeah, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1:I, I'm impressed. I'm actually decently impressed. I mean, again, we keep saying it all the time, but this show's tone is tight. They know exactly what type of show this is and there's no variation that they're having. We saw the third and usually notoriously the disney plus third episodes are the one where they start to fall moon night, probably sun moon night, and one marvel, miss marvel, the cat falcon and the winter soldier does it as well too. Like the third episode is always where these shows structure starts to bleed a little bit. Because you don't, because you're in your head, you're like all right, right, we have four weeks, we have three weeks after this, but how can we keep this going? But how are we already halfway through but we only have three weeks left? Like, it's not necessarily immediately understandable, but this is a solid third episode and this is six, right, this is six or seven.
Speaker 2:It's got to be more than that. No, it has to be seven right. I think it's eight, because they're doing two the last week, like they're starting the week. They're starting with two and then ending with two.
Speaker 1:They're ending with two, and that's going to be what On Halloween or the day it's nine.
Speaker 1:It's nine. Oh, they are doing nine episodes. So I mean let's just get into specifics. So I mean this is legitimately WandaVision 2.0, because what they do is they structure it like the mayor of East Town. She's essentially, you know, down to like this is a Philly suburb, down to the accents in there. I love her accent. I love her accent. I love also how crass she is on top of it. She's very crass. And then just the little detail that I think is so freaking good is when she gets up to the police tape and Herb's there, because she's the only one now left under the under the impression, so everybody else is just normal. So she gets up to the police tape, but she, she can't. She never crosses the tape because that's Herb's fence.
Speaker 2:So he's like, hey, neighbor, and it's like you don't think twice about it until she goes and they frame it exactly when she goes back outside, you're like yep, oh, wait, yeah, she's still trapped in here yeah, I, almost it made me I understand why they only did it for part of the first episode, but like it did make me wish, like they did kind of do a little wandavision stuff for like maybe two episodes of like her being trapped in this in this thing.
Speaker 1:But then I understand, like you're retreading familiar ground and again I don't want to do, and it was the last part of like television history that we didn't get to. We didn't get to the streaming era, through all of that which I thought, it was in my opinion. I thought that was a cool little Easter egg for myself of like this was the last part of television that we didn't reach, yeah, and it's like it's kind of oxymoronic as well, encapsulated inside of a piece of streaming content.
Speaker 2:On top of that too, yeah, and you know, eventually, you know, rio inserts herself into this equation, as does the teen. They were smashing right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, um. And you realize, agatha wakes up, um, from her, from her, from her long, long nightmare, realizing that she's been under the spell of the Scarlet Witch for three years, three years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that kind of gave me a what the.
Speaker 2:Yeah, wanda Dang, dude, she knows how to hold a grudge. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Did I ever talk about my Marvel theory, Like my Marvel conspiracy theory, About what Like after? The pandemic theory that like they've purposely been doing weird stuff to catch, wait for it to catch up and it's finally catching, and now it's literally about to be 2025 and most of those projects were taking place in 2023 so agatha, basically, um, she's gonna form a coven, yes, and she forms that coven.
Speaker 2:She does form that coven who's in?
Speaker 1:who's in that coven?
Speaker 2:Who's in?
Speaker 1:that coven. The teen, the teen, who's the teen?
Speaker 2:He's Wiccan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:He's Wiccan. He's Wiccan, but he's.
Speaker 1:Billy Kaplan. I don't know how they're going to relate this back to Wanda as well too. What's the thought process here? What are we doing? Is this he's just Billy Kaplan to beat Billy Kaplan, or is? Do you think that Wanda somehow, before the Hex was over, she was powerful enough to get Billy and Tommy's consciousness out and, like, get them into the world so they can go into somebody else's body? Oh, I definitely think she's powerful enough to do that. Yeah, something's interesting.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think it's. I think it's interesting the fact that I, I I do have a thing, I do, I am, as the show goes forward, I do think she's going to show up. I still don't think so.
Speaker 1:But what they could do and man retroactively, if I was writing the show because I can't help myself, because, as much as I like to call people out for it, I am a little nerd as well too know, the two people from the commercials were her actual parents and then in james robinson's scarlet witch run where she go that's the first appearance of the witch's road like she sees her mother on the witch's road. Like, instead of seeing the scarlet witch, you see the mother of the scarlet witch. That would have been interesting. And also the mother of the scarlet witch is somebody that agatha knew all along.
Speaker 2:Ah, ah, um, but yeah, I mean we get, we get a bunch of different, bunch of different uh characters in this, um, so obviously we have. So we have teen I talked about him who's definitely wiccan he's I think joe lock's doing a pretty solid job too.
Speaker 1:I'm actually enjoying his character quite a bit me too.
Speaker 2:Um, deborah joe rup comes back as mrs davis slash. Mrs heart, I love the idea, I love the turn that that character took Like when you thought like, is she secretly a witch? No, she was just a long-filled rod.
Speaker 1:I actually like the see, I like the, I like the little bit of ambiguity of like, because and you know what they do well as well too they talk about it early, where they're like well, there's this amount of witches in this amount of space per like square, whatever, like this, how many witches could live in the space? So you're like, wait a minute, because she couldn't be a actual witch. That just isn't, because wanda didn't know she was a witch, like she couldn't be a witch. That just didn't know she was a witch. And then they did the. Well, she's the green witch and she's just like, I know how to plant, I know, I know how to garden you're like surely she couldn't just be a witch that didn't know right, she wasn't, she was just a lovely lady.
Speaker 2:We get Shazir Zamata as Jen. Great job Fantastic.
Speaker 1:She's the potions witch.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which is great Alian as Alice Wu Gulliver. She's the witch with legacy Yep, the witch with legacy yep, and then the great Patti LuPone as Lillia.
Speaker 1:She actually might be my favorite out of this whole thing. She's been phenomenal this whole series so far too.
Speaker 2:She's the Divination Witch, which is Foresight, yep. And then, obviously, aubrey Plaza as the Green Witch, as Rio Vidal, who, I mean, she's death right, maybe, I don't know, maybe I mean, I feel like that's coming. So what's the thing? What's?
Speaker 1:the whole thing. What are we doing?
Speaker 2:The Salem Seven are coming after Agatha in the only way she can escape them. Proper horror at the end of episode two, the only way she can escape them is to get her powers back and go down the witch's road.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was some proper horror that they pulled out in there too, that was some proper horror. I was not expecting that one bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I mean they got me. After three episodes that's all I can say I was getting, you know, ever more optimistic about the show, like with the trailers and everything. And now that I've seen these three, I'm in. I'm in.
Speaker 1:I'm very in. I mean, it's a great way to structure the first two episodes and then you hit three and this is, you know, this is nine episodes. Like understanding, like let's do the trial, like we're actually going to do the trial each episode. So episode three was a very good. Episode three was the. It was water, right, what is it? It's elemental. I forget how this works. It was explained. I forget how this works. It was explained. I forget how this whole thing works. But, um, next week subsequently would be fire.
Speaker 1:No, yeah and then you keep going so I mean I'm, I'm just in these, I'm actually kind of interested. What they're doing is leading, leaving little breadcrumbs for all these characters as well too, which I think has been pretty, pretty well done. Yep, so I'm, I'm, I'm actually, I like at first you had my curiosity, but now you have my attention. I truthfully am like this is like that Marvel week to week. I'm actually like what's going to go down next week? I'm actually in, yeah.
Speaker 2:I told you the mystical, magical side of this Marvel Cinematic Universe. They really got a handle on it. Whether it's the Doctor Strange movies, whether it's WandaVision, whether it's Werewolf by Night, they really got a handle on it. Whether it's the doctor strange movies, whether it's wandavision, whether it's werewolf by night, um, they really got a handle on it and I'm super, super excited. It seems like that's the most, it seems like that's where they have the most fun, yes, on that side of, on that side of marvel. So, um, super excited to keep going with agatha. Um, and then we'll just finish up with some dz news. So, first and foremost, we got some lanterns casting. After much speculation, it does appear that Kyle Chandler will be Hal Jordan.
Speaker 1:What a pick that you're like those are my favorites, where you're like you didn't even think of the person and then the person gets cast and you're like, oh shoot, that's actually incredible. It's pretty good, dude, I don't know. I love this freaking self for the show. That, how jordan is old like this is because I think we talked about it. Off off the pod too, they're doing I think james is trying to build the justice league unlimited roster, because superman, batman, wonder woman, flash, martian man, hunter, hawk girl and green lantern, john stork, green lantern like yep, you can easily get that team together inside this universe. And if you want this whole idea of gods and monsters, I feel like Martian Manhunter is a character in live action that hasn't had his due yet outside of Supergirl. A good place to put him in the movie, that would be pretty cool.
Speaker 1:So, no, I'm really, I'm truthfully invested. I just love this idea of what he's doing. We'll talk about the Bane Deathstroke thing, because that's my only question. Yeah, I, I don't have any reason not to trust James Gunn. And I mean I, I just know, when that first trailer for Superman comes out, I'm gonna be like, yeah, yep, yep he understands, yeah, yeah, he truthfully understands it.
Speaker 2:But um, yeah, so we got Kyleyle chandler's hal jordan and then it is appears to now be behind. Be between aaron pierre and stefan james for the john seward role. And I mean, I think, before aaron pierre shout out to you, was one of the names that you threw out there and I knew it in a weird way.
Speaker 1:It was it. We've had it over the last, like Austin Butler, jonathan Majors and a channel favorite. Why can't I remember, why am I forgetting my favorite cinema actor right now of the moment?
Speaker 2:Timothy Chalamet no Glenn.
Speaker 1:Powell, where we were like over the course of this pod, these people had like, all right, we're here. We're here. Moments Like we're truthfully here. Moments like aaron pierre just had he visit, he just had his like three weeks ago, where rebel ridge came out on netflix and everybody was like you need to see this movie on netflix. Rebel ridge like this movie has potential to be like we might be seeing like a big time action star evolve amongst our eyes, and I think that's the truth. I think as soon as that movie came out, both Marvel and DC picked up the phone and we were like we need to speak to his agents. A, s, a, p, we I don't care what the project is, we need him in the universe, and I mean imagine he is the main John Stewart for those movies. Not bad to have him locked down for for a number of years too.
Speaker 2:Yeah locked down for a number of years too. Yeah yeah, I think both of those casting choices would be great. I think the Aaron Pierre pick is probably where you want to go. I think that's great. I would be super keen to see some live-action Green Lantern stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I mean again, the sell of this show is so awesome, this true detective-esque like. I don't know man, I just think that's so cool. This older john store or this older hal jordan, that's like he already did everything, he's already passed everything. Like he's already, like I did, I did the emerald midnight, like I did, like I just like I helped destroy, I already did parallax, like all those things already happened to me. And again, what that's gonna help in this universe is superman. Like. When superman shows up in this lived in universe, people are gonna be like, oh, that's, that's what the hero is supposed to look like. Yeah, so, and we already have another green like. So you know there's already green lanterns floating around in this universe as well too. So, and guy gardner, he's older as well too. Guy gardner's also older in this because he's nathan fillion, who's in his 50s, right, early 50s.
Speaker 1:Like you know, this universe has been lived in for a little bit, but man, what a pick kyle chandler is. That's such a pick where I didn't even think about it and I was just like, oh, yeah, he's got the voice too. Yeah, like he's got this very hal jordan like, I think is how jordan's gonna be like I used to be that cocky fly boy that like was super arrogant, and then I got humbled and then I got evil and then I saved myself. Like John, I can, I can teach you a thing or two. And John's going to be like you can't teach me anything.
Speaker 1:And if you guys, I I told you I think they're going to do blackest night I think that's the conspiracy Like they're going to find a dead body and like the Guardian's going to be like can you guys, do you guys mind checking that out? Like is that a big key? You guys should see what that? Because we don't. We don't think this thing's going to do anything. He said the Guardians are like all right, 50-50, y'all One. This is just a murder. B. The whole universe is about to end. I just think you guys should just check that out real quick.
Speaker 2:I think you guys should take a look. Real. I'm super excited to see it. So the Hollywood Reporter has reported that there is a green light for a Bane and Deathstroke film that will be penned by the writer of Captain America. Brave New World, and that's an interesting pairing.
Speaker 1:That's a very interesting pairing, unless they're trying to do the Sinister Six. Nope, nope, I think they're trying to do a League of Supervillains thing. They're just trying to get all their ducks in a row to make sure that happens. I just what a sell. I mean, bane and Deathstroke are essentially two super soldiers in their own right. I just don't know what would cross them paths, unless this is something that's going to be a prerequisite to a Batman movie. That's going to be a prerequisite to a Batman movie, because I don't know if James is going to take an amalgamation of the. Who was writing Batman when all this stuff happened? I forget, I think it was. Who was writing Batman. I forget who was writing Batman at the time, but it's one of the newer iterations of Batman where it's the city of Bane, like I wonder if he's going to try to do something like that and like make Bane, like cross between Nolan's Bane and comic Bane somewhere in the middle of that, and then, finally, deathstroke gets his live action due. Titans, you did it, we know.
Speaker 2:Joe Manganiello was Deathstroke, don't forget Go, he was Joe Manganiello in one post-credit scene. We're going to find a league of our own.
Speaker 1:Whoa whoa.
Speaker 2:Hold on, wait a minute. Hold on Zack Snyder in your 50 trillion post-credit scenes. Wait a minute.
Speaker 1:Is this play about us? Huh, I'm so. Oh, oh, no, don't do it.
Speaker 2:And, by the way, Some call me Martian Manhunter.
Speaker 1:Ben Affleck's, like I'm so done.
Speaker 2:All right.
Speaker 1:All Ben Affleck's like.
Speaker 2:I'm so done, alright, ben.
Speaker 1:Affleck's like get me off this set man, I don't know what's happening yeah, I mean, I think to your point like Bane and Deathstroke.
Speaker 2:They don't immediately come to mind as like let's be buddies, let's be pals. It would be funny though Bane, deathstroke, buddy cop against who?
Speaker 1:who would be the funniest DC character? Mr Mixapitalic, mr Terrific, mr.
Speaker 2:Terrific, mr Terrific, mr Terrific, mr Terrific is just being pranked by Bane and Deathstroke for two hours.
Speaker 1:No, guy Gardner, nathan Fillion's Guy Gardner, jay Garrick, Jay Garrick. No, I don't know man. I don't know what the sell of this is, unless it's like Bane, pre-serum Bane.
Speaker 2:and he's just a smart guy, A smart tactician guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a smart tactician guy that while Deathstroke's on a mission is just like you could be good at this. One day, Come with me.
Speaker 2:Here's some super steroids. Yeah, have fun. And now he's a giant human.
Speaker 1:You got to. I mean, I guess not. I was going to say you call Batista for Bane.
Speaker 2:People have been kicking him around for Hugo Strange and I'm like you know what it's not bad.
Speaker 1:It's actually really great yeah, especially after Blade Runner 2. After Blade Runner 2049, I can definitely see him as a Hugo Strange. He's an actor now. Yeah, he is. He's not just a big muscle guy anymore. No, he's a high cinema actor. Show some respect.
Speaker 2:Do you just oh Deeb, I know you want like, do you just have Joe Manganiello come back?
Speaker 1:You probably, you probably get the conversation going with him. You say like, hey, this is your chance. This is going to be separate Like, let's take a swing, he's got a great look. Oh, a hundred percent for Bane.
Speaker 2:Oh for Deathstroke. Oh for I'm sorry For Deathstroke, oh heck.
Speaker 1:yeah, suit was also great Suit was great.
Speaker 2:There's it's a hard suit not to get.
Speaker 1:No, I mean there's days where I still wish Ben Affleck got like Ben Affleck versus Joe Manganiello for J-Lo's heart Like what a film.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's super interesting.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to think casting right now, like who do you get to play? Like who's somebody that can play a good Deathstroke, like I feel like Batista would be good for Bane, somebody that Gunn's familiar with as well too. I wonder who's going to direct this movie on top of that too. So I'm really, I'm really like I'm really thinking you know what's the funniest one? George Clooney for Deathstroke, for Deathstroke. Yeah, who do you pick to play Deathstroke?
Speaker 2:I don't know, I mean yeah, I mean you know it's funny Like play to play deathstroke. I don't know, I mean yeah, I mean you know it's funny like he hasn't gotten a lot of playing live action but like everyone that's been casted emma's has been pretty good. Um, like manu bennett did an outstanding job on arrow. Um, I quite like the guy who played him on titans. I thought he was, yeah, he was a proper menace.
Speaker 1:He was, and that's the point he was. And they took the teen titans original show concept of like. Obviously it's from the comic, but like from the Judas Contract which the Titans did adapt. But it's like yeah, deathstroke hates these, he hates them, he properly hates them.
Speaker 2:Saw Stephen Lang for one for a good Deathstroke casting Look you'll never tell me no, you'll never get me to say no to Stephen Lang. I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 1:It would be fun it would be a good one.
Speaker 2:Keanu reeves um. I don't think he's acting.
Speaker 1:Fifth deathstroke immediately no, I don't think. Call brolin, call brolin, he's not doing. He's not doing lanterns anymore. Call brolin. Oh, that's interesting. Also, glenn powell is playing he's Gold. No, because you saw his hair. He was at some event, yeah, and his hair was bright blonde.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um yeah, yeah, I could see, I could see. Um Brolin is a good Timothy Oliphant.
Speaker 1:Oliphant probably would be fun too. I feel like a little bit of drama added on to him as well too. Give Walter Goggins a little ring. Tell him to hit the weight room for a couple weeks He'd have to hit the weight room, we'll get you swole. Oh, andrew Lincoln would be a fun one too. To play Deathstroke oh, he's got the build for it 100%. He does Give him a villain role. On top of that too, I feel like he would have a ball with that.
Speaker 2:Just do Andrew Lincoln and Deathstroke and do Bernthal as Bane, just for the memes. Who's so? We're lost.
Speaker 1:We're lost Bane.
Speaker 2:We're lost. We're lost in Africa Bane.
Speaker 1:Jared Padalecki.
Speaker 2:Nah.
Speaker 1:Too young.
Speaker 2:No, not that he's too young Too pretty. Yeah, he's too handsome, I mean for he's too young Too pretty.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's too handsome For Deathstroke. Jensen Hackles yeah, dude, I really like that Kyle Chandler pick for Hal Jordan.
Speaker 2:It's pretty good.
Speaker 1:I really like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, super News, superman and Supergirl News.
Speaker 1:Yeah, alan Tudyk has been cast in a mystery add him to a new channel favorite, alan tudyk. We like alan tudyk. We like alan tudyk when he plays a robot fella. Yeah, he's great as right. All I'm saying is he's done it like three times. And why have you done it three times, alan tudyk? You're either a weird monster guy. He might be doing it a fourth time, yeah depending on who he is in super, no, he's not playing red tornado.
Speaker 1:make him red tornado, cut it out. Make Make him a Mezo. No, no, don't take mine. I told you, what if he played a Mezo? So he just keeps playing a robot Like a morally no. If he's Red Tornado, he's a morally ambiguous android again. Yeah, I love iRobot.
Speaker 2:James Gunn's, like I love iRobot, that'd be great. I don't know they. Hey, look, it's Alan Tudyk for five seconds in a scene, and that's it, or he's.
Speaker 1:I don't know, maybe he's Batman. John John Jor-El. John DC Comics. John Superman. You're John Superman from comics. He's Superman's dad.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, he couldn't do it.
Speaker 1:No, no, I think you're right. He couldn't do it. No, no, I think you're right. I just think he's, I just think Tudyk's like a fun guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So they just throw him in the movie.
Speaker 2:And then Matthias. Oh boy, skonerts, skonerts, shonerts. I don't know Matthias. Hmm, I don't know Matthias. Hmm, it's a name. I don't know what this guy's been in. I've Googled him and I have not seen anything that he's been in. Good, Good.
Speaker 1:I think that's a little bit of a good thing sometimes.
Speaker 2:He will be the villain in the Supergirl movie.
Speaker 1:Which this movie I mean. We talked about how excited we are for this movie.
Speaker 2:I think this movie is going to be particularly incredible. Who's directing this movie again? Um oh oh. I knew this and now I don't know it anymore. No, not the 1984 film. God damn it. If you find it before I do, let me know oh, craig gillespie oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Starring another channel favorite, millie alcock.
Speaker 1:Yes, um which I think was the right, like overall. That's one of those things where it's like it's the you know, I feel like bella ramsey immediately comes to mind where it's like you got to get the person that has the most edge and grit to a character like supergirl or a character especially the Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow storyline. So my promise is I'm going to read that whole storyline by the time that movie comes out so I can be an expert on it, because I know he's playing creme from that storyline.
Speaker 2:Filmography he was in. Hmm, nothing that I've seen. Bullhead, Rust and Bone, Chimpanzee, the Danish Girl.
Speaker 1:Oh, the Danish Girl.
Speaker 2:He wasn't the Danish Girl.
Speaker 1:That got some play. I think that was an. Oscar-nominated movie.
Speaker 2:The Mustang. He was nominated for an Independent Spirit Award for Best Male Lead Nice. Yeah, rust and Bone appears to be what he was nominated for the most awards for okay sick.
Speaker 2:Um, television, a bunch of stuff from belgium, all right. So he's he's relatively unknown but he's been working for a long time. Um, he is 46 and has been acting since 1992. He received critical acclaim for his portrayal of an ex-soldier suffering from PTSD and disorder and for his performance as an inmate training a wild horse in the Mustang. And he will be the main villain in Supergirl. So that's super cool, probably playing Krem. Yeah, I guess we can just finish up talking about the Penguin a little bit.
Speaker 1:Not bad, pretty good. Is he Tony Soprano DC?
Speaker 2:Yes, yup, we knew that going in we knew that going in, that this was just this DC Sopranos and it's pretty, pretty good. Um, mark Strong as a recasted Carmine Falcone.
Speaker 1:That's fine. Yeah, everybody, mark Strong's one of those guys where it's like oh, that's Mark Strong, yeah, mark.
Speaker 2:Strong's one of those guys where it's like, oh, that's Mark Strong, Look what's his name.
Speaker 1:John Turturro did a great job in the Batman, but I was like dang Mark Strong in the Batman would have been pretty good. I still love the gravitas and the grandeur that obviously John Turturro brings, but obviously it was scheduling you couldn't get him back, which I still have a point about what I think they're gonna do with with, with our, with our best pal, batman, in the show, um, but I mean, obviously colin farrell is great, oh my gosh, he's so incredible, he's so smooth as well, too, in this role. Like I know they have to put him in all that makeup, but he's so, he's so quick, yeah, um, which I think is something that's super important for a role like that too. Like you gotta get us sold, and that's the thing about these like, especially. Like not from a marvel front, where they're already known from it, from a dc front, like, and then it's not the mainline dc that we're getting or that we're supposed to get, like this is from a movie that obviously a lot of people think is great.
Speaker 1:And like let's spin off this character that, like people easily could have been like why am I watching this? Like who cares about a Penguin show? All right, we'll let the narrative sing, and I mean what they do is they give you compelling characters out of the great. They make your main character someone to weirdly root for. They give him a Robin in the first episode, they do. They do the exact Robin plotline that Jason Todd has. They do. What's the freaking theories that people are saying that his name's Victor? I saw a better one, but one of them is that he's Victor Freeze. No, the better one I saw is that he's Victor Zsasz. Now, that would be kind of interesting.
Speaker 2:I'm going off of Gotham, but Victor Zsasz and the Penguin do have a relationship in Gotham.
Speaker 1:I think that would be quite interesting if he did develop into Vixor's ass.
Speaker 2:I think the I mean I guess the real, not the real standout, because Colin Farrell is great, but Kristen Miloti, as Sofia Falcone, has been just a revelation. She's incredible in the first episode, like just she is properly unhinged in, like in just a tremendous way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she she is like you said, she's properly unhinged, she's having, she's having a ball, she's just. She looks like she's understanding. Like you know, they look like they did a lot of research research into the comics as well, and kind of like but also made it the Sopranos on top of that in the best possible way. They were like we know our North Star shows that we're trying to pull from and let's just have a spot of fun. Like is that okay?
Speaker 2:Like that we have a tinge of fun to go along with this kind of gritty gothic story that they're telling on top of it kind of gritty gothic story that they're telling on top of it and to your batman point like this like I think that the, the kind of the, the main, at least this first episode, like the main through line of the show is enticing enough to me that like I don't even need batman in this to have a good time. Like you know what I mean. Like you watch some of these shows, like especially the marvel shows, you're like I just kind of want that one big thing to happen. Wandavision's a perfect example. This is nice, but when's the one big thing going to happen? Right, when's Reed Richards showing up? When's Mephisto going to show up? Whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1:They name-dropped him. In the third episode they name-dropped Mephisto. We didn't even talk about it. We can't believe it.
Speaker 2:It finally happened. But this I'm enjoying, just the You're right the Sopranos-ness of it all. Clancy Brown, I love Clancy Brown. He's so good.
Speaker 1:Even though he's not. Is it bothering you that he's not Italian enough? I mean, yeah, kind of A little bit.
Speaker 2:He's just I don't know. He's Salvatore Moroni In the show. In the show he's just he's doing what Denzel's gonna do in Gladiator 2. He's like I'm Clancy Brown, you're getting Clancy Brown, you're not getting a character, you're just getting me, and that's good enough. I like Clancy Brown a lot in a lot of things. Yeah, he's a dick general in the flash also yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1:That's right. They really got clancy brown to be in season one of the flash. Yeah, dolph lundgren was in season five of arrow. That was different. Arrow had juice. Then dolph lundgren, that was wild, that was crazy. What a pull that was. I know you think dolph lundgren was like watching tv and like he scrolled to arrow and he saw russians in like season three and he's like I'm back, I'm back.
Speaker 2:He's not even russian, he's swedish. Yeah, that's the funniest it's hilarious. Um, but yeah, I this show is. We have not seen the second episode yet. Um, but yeah, I mean, the sopranos comp was was well placed and you know that's a conversation that they had as well.
Speaker 1:Yes, as much as people might hate me saying that, like shows, think about that. They literally think about these ideas of like, and movies do the same thing of like. Yeah, what's our? The sopranos was good. What's our thing, what's the thing that we're trying to pull from and pull inspiration from? And the Sopranos obviously is the idea.
Speaker 1:That's the thing that they're going to think about and we haven't had a good mob TV thing since the Sopranos and that's the thing, and it's funny that this Batman universe and the Penguin keeps doing it you take the name from the comic character away. In the comic modern age of putting the fandom on top of it. This is just a fun. This is a good mob show.
Speaker 2:This is a good mob show. Exactly.
Speaker 1:The Batman is an incredible you know film noir on top of that, like, yeah, batman just so happens to be in that and the Penguin just so happens to be in it, and exactly, I love Oz's character in this too. Yes, me too. Um, I love kind of the the bits that like the themes that they're touching on as well too. Um, but, like you said, the the best one of the shining spots of this show not only is colin farrell, but um, sophia falcone is just wolf. She is incredible. Yeah, so I'm.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what a properly great villain to throw in this show too yeah, just like oz is a crime boss, but sofia is a proper psycho and I feel like oz is always like he thinks everyone else is a psycho, like he thinks batman's a psycho. Yeah, he's like, I'm just trying to get by, like I'm just. I'm just doing my, I'm just a guy that grew up poor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, finally he's got a little money and I'm surrounded by psychopaths. He really, truthfully, is, I mean oh, the best thing this show does spoilers, spoilers, ready, three, two, one best thing that this show do does murder alberto falcone in the first five minutes of the first episode. Because, like, even in your mind, you're like all right, well, we're gonna have the son, you're gonna have the son, alberto, alberto falcone. He's gonna be at odds with oz and then sofia. That's gonna be like a brother sister. No, no, he murders him straight up. And then what it does, too is like show like this universe knows no bounds of. Like this character's safe. No, no, no, that doesn't work like that. Like you can be murdered at any point here. Like this still has that level of like undeniable realism to it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I'm super keen on it.
Speaker 1:I can't believe they gave him the Jason Todd Robin origin in the show. It's the funniest thing that this show has ever done. Yeah, that Dolly Parton 9 to 5 needle drop also was incredibly done. Yep, because then I thought about it. I was like he is just a guy just trying to do his job. He's a mentor now he's just a good guy. Yep, no, he's not Um that's it.
Speaker 2:We're done here. Yeah, that was fun, that was fun. Next week might not be as fun. Hmm, it's again. We can talk about the Last of Us rollercoaster. I feel like Joker is also on this rollercoaster. I feel like Joker is also on this rollercoaster.
Speaker 1:I feel like you're not supposed to like the first Joker. You can't publicly like the first Joker movie. You can like it. I'll say this I love Joaquin Phoenix and I'll leave it at that, so I don't get cancelled.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we're going to talk about Joker 2 next week. It's finally here, and I've grown the opposite of the Agatha thing. I got the thing. I've grown less and less optimistic the more I've, the more I've heard and seen of this movie, cause I'm just like did you guys, did you guys lose the plot? Like did you guys not expect to make a sequel?
Speaker 1:And then you were just like oh no, we have to make a sequel and unfortunately this sequel still has potential and I think you know getting like getting Lady Gaga, as as as Harley Quinn, it still does. You know who should have played Harley Quinn if they wanted to do a normal version of this movie, non-musical? You get Rooney Mara, because that's already his wife and she probably properly could probably play an incredible Harley Quinn on top of that too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know I just the more time has went on, I've been like I'm getting a, I'm nervous. I did love her rendition of that's Life that she sang in the one trailer. I was like wait, this is why I'm still intrigued. That's still Lady Gaga. It's not a musical, though.
Speaker 2:Says Todd Phillips Says the guy who made the movie A musical, I don't know, man, I just feel like they woke up one day and they were like make me a Joker sequel, todd Phillips. And he's like, oh no, I didn't expect to do this. It's kind of like the Ghost of Tsushima thing. You could have left Arthur in that mental asylum and never seen him again, and I feel like that would have been fine, yeah, and you just leave it.
Speaker 1:I mean, the guy won an Oscar for the movie.
Speaker 2:You, just as one of those higher cinema movies, put it in the shelf and that's it. Now you're doing this. At the very least, it'll give us something to talk about, which is always good. Maybe it'll be one of those episodes.
Speaker 1:Don't put this in the Morbius category. It might end up there.
Speaker 2:I'm not ruling it out, but yeah, we're going to talk about Joker next week. Don't owe it. I don't know, we'll see um, but that's it. You can follow us on twitter at project I love underscore pod. You can follow us on facebook. You can follow us on youtube at youtubecom slash the project infinite podcast new episodes posted on youtube the same day, same moment. They're put on your favorite podcast platforms Spotify, apple, google Podcasts, all that stuff.
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Speaker 2:There it is. He brought that joke back. You can follow us on Instagram.
Speaker 1:At the Project Infinite pod.
Speaker 2:Next week, like I said, we are going to talk about Joker 2. I am not going to Fully adieu, say the full name. I'm not. I'm not doing it. We speak American, we speak American. We speak American here.
Speaker 1:I'm going to make it a point to only call it Jokerfolia do anytime I say the name, even if I'm just talking about him narratively.
Speaker 2:Joker 2, joker Joker's back. You're John Jokerfolia do.
Speaker 1:John the Joker You're John Jack Nicholson's Joker. Jack the Joker You're Jack Nichol Joker.
Speaker 2:Joker 2, joker Joking, joking around, still joking.
Speaker 1:To Joe To S, to Er, to Er.
Speaker 2:He's still joking around. He's still joking around.
Speaker 1:Favorite Joker.
Speaker 2:I'm always going to be partial to the Mark Hamill Joker.
Speaker 1:Just say Heath Ledger. Am I allowed to say Jerome from Gotham Because of Cameron Moynihan's stand? What I would have given to give him a full-fledged, objectively it's Heath Ledger, yeah.
Speaker 2:We're just not, we can't bat around it. If we're taking him out of it, mark Hamill, for me, is always he's the Joker, in the same way that Kevin Conroy is going to be Batman for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's tough. It's tough not to agree, jared Leto. No, we gotta go, man. I can't wait for Jeffrey Wright to break that line out in the Last of Us, part II Open your eyes.
Speaker 2:Open your eyes. He's not going to say that he might Do me a favor and shut your mouth Is Jeffrey Wright the greatest ever.
Speaker 1:I love Jeffrey Wright.
Speaker 2:No habla espanol, fellas. That's when I knew that universe had something and they say that movie's not funny.
Speaker 1:He said it's because you took the Hippocratic Oath. Hippocratic Oath, Hippocratic Oath. Okay, I was like, wait a minute, this movie's incredible, World's Greatest Detectives. Best part of that movie is when he opens the door and he's just like get out of here, bats. He didn't say bats, but it would have been funnier if he said bats. He's like get out of here, freak, Before that suit gets all full of blood. He's like mine are yours. I was like yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is good yeah.
Speaker 1:I was like, yeah, this is crazy.
Speaker 2:From me from the.
Speaker 1:You gotta be real careful man, do I? Yeah, don't give me Isaac.
Speaker 2:I wasn't gonna give you Isaac. From the Ghost of Yota, the Ghost of Yota of the podcast. From the Mickey 17 of the podcast yes, which Mickey am I?
Speaker 1:Mickey Mantle, no.
Speaker 2:I wanted Mickey Rourke, the Mickey, the Mickey Mantle, of the podcast.
Speaker 1:Yes, put shit in Yankee Legend. What are you looking forward to, man huh, what are you looking forward to?
Speaker 2:I don't know this Joker, this Joker movie not the Titans nah, I thought we'll love us through an interception. Pete Rose died, by the way.
Speaker 1:Pete Rose passed away. Dikembe Mutombo passed away. Bad day for sports. Bad day for sports, yes.
Speaker 2:Will Love Us. Threw another interception, yep, and he's out of the game Is he?
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank God, my goat's in the game. Former Steelers legend's in the bench. I think you got both both at the same time. You're hurt, well, I'm not. You're hurt well. Okay, get into the blue tent. You think that's what denzel said to will smith during the oscar slot. You're hurt, well, you're hurt. Well, get in the blue tent. Well, um, I pulled wilson aside. I said the devil's gonna come for you. Whatever, dead self. The coolest human being on planet earth you will be my instrument, paul bell's.
Speaker 2:Just I don't want to slap chris rock all right.
Speaker 1:I can't wait for the gladiator. That movie has the potential to either be the craziest. I didn't even talk about mealopolis in my cinema corner.
Speaker 2:You talked about Megalopolis last week.
Speaker 1:Oh, I did it's unhinged.
Speaker 2:I can't wait. I can't wait for Joker 2. Still joking.
Speaker 1:What a move, what a time. Joker 3 still joking Still joking Joker 3. Joker 3, still joking Joker. 4. These jokes don't write themselves.
Speaker 2:These jokes don't write themselves Joker 5 jokes on you. Joker 5 home for the ha-ha holidays Come on man, they're doing a holiday special.
Speaker 1:We got a holiday special before Schneider got a second Justice League movie.
Speaker 2:Home for the ha-ha holidays. I'm leaving it at that. Yeah, we'll see you next week for joker six loves a joke life's a joke, and then you die the biggie special. Oh, come on man. All right, we, we gotta go man we're going we're going until then, goodbye peace.
