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142 - Superman Week! Celebrating The Superman Trailer & Tyler Hoechlin on Superman & Lois
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Happy Holidays everyone! We took a little bit of time off for the holidays, but we are back and talking Superman this week! We discuss the Superman trailer brought by James Gunn and DC Studios that gave us out first look at the new Man of Steel played by David Corenswet. This episode also examines the emotional finale of Superman & Lois, featuring a focus on the themes of love, sacrifice, and the human heart of Superman. We express admiration for Tyler Hoechlin's portrayal of Superman, highlighting how the series masterfully intertwines comic book lore with poignant family drama, ultimately delivering a satisfying send-off for the beloved character.
Before that, we talk about The Game Awards, The Batman being delayed, Jason Mamoa as Lobo and Christopher Nolan’s new film being revealed as an adaptation of THE ODEYSSEY. Thank you to everyone who continues to support and don’t forget to subscribe to download new episodes as they become available and don’t be afraid to share a rating!
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Speaker 2:Hello everybody and welcome back to another episode of the Project Infinite Podcast, the podcast covering the infinite and ever-expanding multiverse of fandom For movies, comics, tv shows, video games. We got you covered. I'm Rob. I'm here, as always, with Court. Merry Christmas, everybody, merry.
Speaker 1:Christmas, happy New Year and Happy Holidays.
Speaker 2:Yep, we've been in the way for a little while. Obviously it was our holiday break, it was our holiday break, we had a holiday break, but been away for a little while. Obviously it was our holiday break, it was our holiday break, we had a holiday break, but some things happened on that holiday break that we definitely have to talk about. But this is going to be a Superman-focused episode On so many fronts, on so many fronts. Yeah, so we're going to pretty much bookend this episode talking about, obviously, the trailer that came out, the first DC Studios film under James Gunn's helm, directed by James Gunn, and this is a crazy trailer that obviously we're going to talk about. And then we're going to talk about we talked in our last episode. We talked about kind of like the end of the Arrowverse.
Speaker 2:So we talked about kind of like our favorite moments and we saved a lot of that, a lot of the Superman stuff, for this episode, because we're going to talk about Superman and Lois, specifically the final season specifically. Just you know it was kind of cool the last, you know, probably like month or so, as the show was wrapping up, like I saw way more Superman and Lois kind of like love and content out there than I think I've seen in the last four seasons prior and I'm just kind of like I was like where have you all been, you know. So I I was like where have you all been. So I'm kind of glad that Tyler Hoechlin feels like he's getting his shine as he exits the role of Superman.
Speaker 1:As, honestly, one of the best live-action Superman adaptations we've ever gotten, as said by some people that were writing on Superman, and, like you said, it was a great point. So many fans were coming out of the woodwork and finally watching the show and they were like, wow, no, he actually is Superman. He gets all the mannerisms and it's a point I'm going to talk about later, but one of my favorite things about his Superman was the approach to the show itself and this whole different perspective, because we've never seen anything like this. I mean, this is a family drama inside of a Superman show and what an approach. That, on paper, shouldn't work, but it's the best part about this show.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I mean just the way that they adapted and modified certain aspects of the lore to fit this narrative, which they did in spades in this final season. That we'll talk about and I'm really, really excited to touch upon that. But we do have a little bit of news to talk about that we missed out on talking about the last couple of weeks. First and foremost, christopher Nolan news. As customary, we were wrong, everyone was wrong, everybody was wrong. This movie that Christopher Nolan has been developing, that has been, you know, much like Oppenheimer, gaining a lot of momentum in terms of like casting and all that stuff. Robert Pattinson, tom Holland, zendaya, I could go on and on. This cast, obviously much like many of his other films, is absolutely stacked. But what we didn't know is what this movie was going to be. But now we do.
Speaker 1:It is going to be an adaptation of the odyssey insane insanity and it's something that I think, after oppenheimer and I knew he was going to do something that was obviously this is it's going to be an adaptation to some degree, because you're pulling it from a, from a source material, but still the source material.
Speaker 1:Source material I guess no, the source material is. If you were to pull something from the bible, I guess that's the, if you want to label that as the source material. But you know, I believe that this kind of piece is because I knew it. I knew he was going to go from a historical to like something that was going to be a little bit more narrative driven. And boy, if you're going to pull a narrative driven, this is going to. I mean, obviously this is the most, this is the craziest thing that he's ever tried to do.
Speaker 1:I know IMAX has been excited him and IMAX have been excited about them testing new technology for this movie. So I mean, after the solidification and I mean solidification is such a funny word to use with Christopher Nolan because it's Christopher Nolan, but I mean truthfully, there's no if and or, but in my opinion, oppenheimer is one of the greatest films of the 21st century, if not one of the greatest films of all time. I can't split it any other way. In my mind that's just truth and word of law. That's just law. Oppenheimer is one of the greatest films that's ever been made. So give him whatever he wants and let it happen. I mean, imax is going out of its way to make sure they collaborate with him. Um, the cast itself I'm super excited about this cast. This cast is very unique as well, too. This is a especially comparatively to oppenheimer like. This is a very unique cast of characters that we're getting in here as well too, and now that I know what this movie is going to be about now, it gets even more interesting.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I mean this is. I mean, when you talk about the concept of the hero's journey, it is grounded in the Odyssey, right. That's what the term you know, hero's journey. The Odyssey comes from Right. It's from Homer from the Odyssey, from Odysseus, so like for him to tackle this is really interesting. Like you said, it's kind of a little bit outside of his wheelhouse in terms of it's going to be this big fantastical epic, you know what?
Speaker 1:I thought about too. Is it outside of his wheelhouse? I don't think there's anything outside of his wheelhouse.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm getting to.
Speaker 1:I don't think there's anything. The only thing in his career he hasn't really tackled, like I mean, if you want to talk soundscape, because of like I don't know how loosely you can go with the term horror, if you want to talk Oppenheimer, because there is some sequences, it's just what your definition of horror is, I guess. But he's tackled pretty much everything in his career thematically wise. So I mean, fantasy is the one thing that he has that he needed to get into. Genre-wise, I think it's technically it's fantasy and horror are the two things that he hasn't done. But I mean even so, like horror can be a genre or it can be a sub-genre as well too, if you really want to kind of break it down. But fantasy, I'm kind of excited to see what he's gonna, because I know they're gonna, and they even said we're not shying away from any fantastical elements. Like we are gonna go full sentence, yeah, story yeah, this is, yeah, that's exactly like.
Speaker 2:This is gonna be a true foray into a fantastical world for him, and I think that's really ambitious and it's really great yeah, and i'mly enough because I know him and Denis are friends.
Speaker 1:They did that interview together as well too. Do you think? And I think in the broader scheme of things, what Denis does, it's converse, because what Christopher Nolan has done for film, it's going to be Etchison Stone as one of the most important filmmakers. Conversely, Denis got the same thing because without Dune, like I think about it this way, because dune dune 2 just went on netflix and now people were talking about it and reignited some talks about it as well too, and funny enough interstellar also in the same day went back on, went on to netflix.
Speaker 1:So you think broad scale right in like 40, 50 years, like the fantasy genre and the credibility of it got reignited, the same way that Lord of the Rings reignited it as well too. It's just without Dune. I don't think he takes a shot at this without seeing what Dune was and seeing what Dune 2 was. It's like, okay, maybe a mainstream audience, especially with my name attached to it as well too. This movie is going to be profitable, 100%. This movie's going to be profitable, yeah, um, but whole idea like. I can do this, I can pull this fantastic world off, still have my realistic elements into it as well too. I think he's on to something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I completely agree Some of those things. When it got revealed I was like okay, we're in it now.
Speaker 1:Right, because I was super down for whatever that action helicopter movie or the para-rescuers, whatever that movie was going to be. I was full out down for another Christopher Nolan narrative action movie. I was down for something like that, especially with the cast. I was like, okay, this could be cool. Then, out of nowhere, they were like, yeah, we're going to do the Odyssey. I said, excuse me, what do you mean? You're going to do the?
Speaker 2:Odyssey. Yeah, it's super cool. Like I said, this is it's kind of crazy that he's tackling like one of the foundational pillars of literature.
Speaker 1:See it's so funny that you say that and I agree, but then at the same time I'm like how crazy is it for him? You know what I mean. Like that's christopher nolan.
Speaker 2:Like how insane really is it but yeah, but I mean, like to your point, like this would be like someone adapting, like the bible, or like dante's inferno, like that's. Like that's the type of thing that we're talking about here, like, like that's, that's the scope of what's being adapted. Is just this, you know, monument of human history? Yeah, is what the odyssey and the iliad are.
Speaker 1:Like, yeah, and I mean, it's something poetic about I believe it was babylon, because it was 2022. It was kind of like the rumblings of this whole thing of like film is young, like yeah, film is, like it's the youngest form of media that we have. Is is filmmaking like filmmaking, television like visual media, like that it's the youngest art form that we have, for it being that it's an infant compared to literature and writing and all these things, and music, all these different types of things, the fact that the Odyssey is going to be adapted into live action.
Speaker 2:And there's never been a true adaptation of the Odyssey before.
Speaker 1:You've had adaptations of a bunch of different parts of the Bible, things like that. But to do the Odyssey is an undertaking like no other. But again to the point. I keep going back to who better to do it than Christopher Nolan at this time? Yeah, absolutely, yep, totally agree. They said Dune was unadaptable, and look where we are now. I mean, we have one of the greatest movies of all time out of that as well too.
Speaker 2:From one bit of cinema to another, we got a Karate Kid trailer.
Speaker 1:I just want everybody to, whatever Cobra Kai, because we're Cobra Kai simps and we love Cobra Kai. It's stupid, I'm in. It's the cheesiest thing you'll watch, but I'm all in. I it's great, it's stupid, but like I'm in, like it's the cheesiest thing you'll watch, but I'm all in. I love the dedication too and they do a great job with you know, the actual hand-to-hand stuff, like the actual fighting, like they do a good job and like you care In a funny way, of how, however cheesy it gets. And I mean we talked about the CW last week Like I still care Now. I watched this Karate Kid Legends trailer and then I said, wait a minute. I started to have a realization while I was watching. I said, wait, are they? Does this look good? And then I was like, wait a minute, this does look good, this does look pretty good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um. So there's a lot going on here in this trailer, because obviously Jackie Chan is in this movie. Obviously he was in the Karate Kid reboot. I guess it's not a reboot anymore.
Speaker 1:I guess it's not. It was a sequel yeah, I guess so.
Speaker 2:And Ralph Macchio is in this, obviously reprising his role as Daniel Russo. And then Ben Wong comes in as the new character, Li Feng oh this kid's gonna be a star.
Speaker 1:I mean he's playing Ong, just kidding, just kidding. He's playing Aang right now in the Last Airbender show, but I mean this kid's gonna be, he's gonna be something that people are gonna probably try to go out and get to be in things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I was just thinking, you know, I said it to you before, like because I'm like Marvel Rivals pilled right now and Iron Fist is in that game and it's the Lin-Lay version of Iron Fist, yeah, I know, which felt. Obviously NetEase is an Eastern developer, so I think that's part of the reason why they used Lin-Lay as the Iron Fist, but also it also does kind of feel like an edict from Marvel as well, like Marvel getting you know, marvel ultimately gets the final say in all these things, like when characters are being adapted.
Speaker 2:I do think there's a reason why they had Lin-Lay's Iron Fist be the Iron Fist in this game instead of Danny Rand, and it makes me think like maybe TV or movie that might be the direction they're going. Maybe they don't do Danny Rand. Well, they do Danny Rand, and then they maybe make it Lin-Lay Laird or not. I was just thinking. The kid seems to have the action chops. Maybe you just make him Iron Fist in the MCU he would be good too, and you can kind of spin it a little bit.
Speaker 1:He's going to be younger and even if you want to bring Finn Jones back to be like an older Iron Fist a little bit of an older Iron Fist to kind of mentor him as well too. But this trailer looked pretty good. I want to talk about the look, because it visually looks good. You know what I thought about for this. I don't know why this popped into my head, but I remember when Ryan Coogler didn't take Creed II, notably because obviously he had the undertaking of doing Black Panther but he was still executive producer. And then Stephen Gable Jr came on and I said this movie visually still looks good. This movie is a good-looking movie. I got that same feeling from this that I wonder who this director is for this movie.
Speaker 2:So the director is Jonathan Edwistle, who is the creator and director of the Netflix series End of the F-ing World.
Speaker 1:Oh, I love that show.
Speaker 2:I absolutely love it. It's a great show. I love that show so so much. He's the director of this movie.
Speaker 1:Wow, that's awesome Because, like I was saying, the visual style and the strip and I think it helps as well too this action is tight. This action is extremely tight and like, narratively, you care, you, and now it's. I don't know if I'm also having a nostalgia trip, because my first exposure to the karate kid was was jayden smith's karate kid with jackie chan, like that was actually my childhood, was like like that's how I knew the karate kid. Before you know, I started dipping into more movies and then I found I found out that it was ralph macchio actually, but I don't know, man, there's something about this trailer that just feels right. Like I said, visually it's good. Ming-na Wen's in this as well, too. I didn't even realize that Ming-Na Wen looks like she plays his mother. I'm really looking forward to this, me too. This year's going to be loaded, which we'll talk about as this episode goes on. Yeah, we, we got a loaded year ahead of us?
Speaker 2:Yeah for sure. No, yeah, I'm looking forward to this. I'm always in. I like this arc that Jackie Chan's going on too later in his career where he's kind of taking on these a little gruffer, obviously a little older, but these kind of gruffer, kind of mentor-y, not dark figures but he's got kind of an edge to him, yep, but he's also got that trademark Jackie Chan warmth that he's obviously come to know for in his legendary career. Ralph Macchio just keeps cashing those Karate Kid checks, which is cool because he's stayed away from it for so long. After Karate Kid 3, he kind of fell off the face of the earth a little bit and then they finally got him back for Cobra Kai, where he kind of just reinserted himself in the Karate Kid fandom, and now he's back on the big screen as Daniel LaRusso which is awesome, and I want to know.
Speaker 1:I'm so curious because obviously I finished Cobra Kai. I'm curious, I want to know how much they're going to dip it.
Speaker 2:How does this work?
Speaker 1:I have a feeling they're going to stay as far away from that as possible. They're going to kind of keep that in its own sect and be like does Jaden Smith show up in this movie? What's the craziest? Hilary Swank would be the funniest one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because people were sure she was going to show up in Cobra Kai and then it didn't end up happening, right?
Speaker 1:James Smith doesn't need to be in this movie. Everybody Relax. No, he doesn't.
Speaker 2:He does not need to be in this. It is just funny that he's just like Jackie Chan's character just moved on Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Which is pretty funny yeah.
Speaker 2:The Karate Kid multiverse. Ladies and gentlemen, you, ladies and gentlemen, you think Daniel LaRusso is going to fight Daniel LaRusso from a different timeline.
Speaker 1:Well, that's what we were joking about before we knocked out. We were like wait, does this take place in a different alternate universe? Evil Daniel LaRusso. Wait, which one's the evil one?
Speaker 2:Daniel LaRusso, who grew up being trained by Cobra Kai, fights Daniel LaRusso at the end of this movie. Oh no, what if Daniel LaRusso at the end of this?
Speaker 1:movie. Oh no, what if Daniel LaRusso stayed with Cobra Kai?
Speaker 2:Speaking of nostalgia, Malcolm in the Middle is getting a revival at Disney+. Frankie Muniz and Bryan Cranston are all attached to it. It's going to be like a mini-series Cool Fun. I hope it's going to be like a Disney Plus sitcom. I think that's obviously where it should fit in. I don't think they should try and like I wouldn't try to modernize it too much in terms of the camera work.
Speaker 1:In fact I'd try to get closer to what Malcolm in the Middle was doing in the early 2000s.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's absolutely what you have to do. You know, sitcom is kind of a dying kind of medium. Um, you know, sitcom is kind of a dying kind of medium. Um, you know, we haven't. You know big bang theory, modern family have been like probably like the two pillar sitcoms in the last, honestly, like 20 years, like we haven't had, you know, tried and definitely not from like the golden age of sitcom.
Speaker 1:No, I mean the new, the new age way of thinking of it is the is like the, the camera crew way, like the office way kind of revolution of it is the is like the, the camera crew way, like the office way kind of revolutionized it. So now like and now abbott elementary has that hold on everything as well too. So I think a little bit of a sitcom like a tried and true classic sitcom would be kind of fun. Yeah, and I don't change the theme song no, absolutely not.
Speaker 2:Um, I don't think they would either. Like if it's just gonna go to disney plus. Um, I know brian cranson's always loved in the Middle. Obviously that's where he cut his teeth and Frankie Muniz.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's where he cut his teeth. Bryan Cranston obviously so many people know him for Breaking Bad, but he was TV's dad at one point for Malcolm in the Middle. I'm excited to see him return to that. I think it could be pretty good If it's a little maybe like a 10 episode kind of mini series. I think that would be kind of cool. The Game Awards so we got to talk about the Game Awards A lot of great. This was a really great show. I got to give it up.
Speaker 1:The last episode we had. We were talking about the show as it was going on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it was the 10th anniversary and they pulled out all the stops. I got to say I was really impressed, I don't think anything. Really disappointed, you know. I think you know the presentation, Harrison Ford was there. Yeah, he was when he walked out.
Speaker 2:That was insane. He presented with Troy Baker, gave Troy Baker like the stamp of approval, essentially saying, like you know, I've heard what he did like with the character, like Indy. I basically said nobody could have done it better. He felt which I mean for Troy Baker, that's probably really good. So, yeah, I mean we can get right into. I guess we could just talk about winners and stuff.
Speaker 2:A couple other things Black Man's Wukong best action game I think that makes a lot of sense. Best role-playing game which I just finished was Metaphor ReFantasio and I can definitely verify that that game was incredible. The third act of that game is among probably one of my favorite third acts in any game that I've ever played. Really really sold me on Metaphor ReFantasio. Final Fantasy VII Rebirth best score in music. No surprise, but the big surprise the trio of awards that were all won by the same game. Best Action Adventure Game. Then we have Best Direction and Game of the Year Drumroll please, it was Astro Bot, astro Bot. Best Game Direction. Have best direction and game of the year drum roll please. It was astrobot, astrobot. Best game direction. Best action adventure game and game of the year um beating out. Balatro bleeding out.
Speaker 2:Black myth, wukong beating out, final fantasy 7, rebirth metaphor, rephantazio and elden ring, shadow of the erd tree. Um, wow, I I guess it was one of those things. Like you don't realize it. How good it is. It's Game of the Year in the truest sense, in the sense that it is super fun. It is well designed. It maximizes all of the hardware that it's, on which I think a lot of these things don't. It makes every use of the PlayStation 5 hardware imaginable. A lot of time, care and attention went into the world of Astro Bot. In terms of it's, this love letter to PlayStation captures all these characters and moments and I think it more than deserves it to win Game of the Year. It was surprising, for sure, because it just felt like, especially the last couple years when you got games like Baldur's Gate 3, elden Ring, the Last of Us Part 2, god of War, sekiro, it felt like the direction gaming fandom was moving in was like these third, third person, you know narrative narrative, you know choice driven role playing.
Speaker 2:It felt like that's kind of where things were going. And then Elden Ring, shadow of the Earth Tree, got nominated for game of the year this year and I was like, all right, like we're probably are they just gonna do this again. But they, they surprised us and they and they went with Astro Bot and I think it's I hope it's not a wake-up call per se, but I hope it's for these developers and these companies to be like, hey, a fun platformer can break through, right. You know, astro Bot didn't have a ton of money pumped into it, it's just well-designed, it's well-made. And for PlayStation specifically, I think it's a great kind of shot in the arm for them. Because, I mean, what's the ultimate platformer? It's Mario, right, like Mario, and Nintendo has a stranglehold on this genre in particular. Now PlayStation kind of has their own Mario, like with Astro Bot.
Speaker 2:Now that it's, you know, it's still getting updated, like they're still pumping new levels into it. Yeah, they added a speedrun mode to it. Oh, okay, I think it's super cool. I was surprised. It felt like, as the night was going on, it felt like Metaphor was kind of gaining a lot of momentum, especially in like those kind of like the Oscars is, like those touchstone categories, like narrative right, all that stuff. It felt like metaphor was gaining a lot of momentum and then all of a sudden the dominoes started falling for Astro Bot and you're like, wait a minute, could this happen? And then it did, which I think is awesome. But everyone watches the Game Awards for the reveals and the new things and Snoop Dogg.
Speaker 1:Yeah, who thought Snoop Dogg, harrison Ford, pedro Pascal? No, not there, somebody else was there too.
Speaker 2:I forget. There's a lot of people there.
Speaker 1:You know what? Isabella Marced was there as well too. There was a few people that were there, which is cool. It just shows you how far gaming has come as well too. Oh yeah, the there was a few people that were there, which is cool. It just shows you how far gaming has come as well too. The credibility behind great gaming is like it's night and day. Fallout 1 Best Adaptation.
Speaker 2:A loaded category too, that Best Adaptation category, with Arcane being in there as well. Just a couple quick things before we hit the big reveals Virtual Fighter, a new game. Turok, a new Turok game, a new Ninja Gaiden game, which I think is cool. And then the big, I guess the biggest reveals. First, elden Ring, night Rain, which is probably one of the things you might have heard us reacting to in live. We didn't know what it was because we didn't have the audio. So it's an Elden Ring. It's a new elden ring standalone game.
Speaker 2:It's not a dlc, it is a standalone game and, as it is from soft's first foray into the kind of co-op genre, so it's like a squad-based three-player dark souls game okay, um, where you uh, it's got roguelite elements where, like, you start start with a character and then, as you defeat bosses, you get more stuff for your character and you basically team up with two of your friends and tackle a who's who of bosses from all the Souls games Interesting, it could be a Souls game. That grabs me. It's a really cool concept. It's a really unique concept for them. So that's pretty great. And then the two biggest reveals grabs me, it's a really cool concept. It's a really unique concept for them. That's pretty great. And then the two biggest reveals, I would say, both marred by the same amount of quote-unquote controversy.
Speaker 1:You're about to get a court going, because this is where I get mad.
Speaker 2:CD Projekt Red unveiled the Witcher 4, which everyone kind of knew this was coming for a long, long time. It will star Ciri as the main character instead of Geralt. Geralt will be in the Witcher 4, but most supporting character, and this made people angry for some reason Not some reason, but the people that are angry, I don't think, played the Witcher 3. Where Ciri is A, a playable character in the Witcher 3, and B, the Witcher 3 ends with Geralt retiring Right, and you know what the Witcher 4 does do is it canonizes one of the endings of the Witcher 3 where Ciri becomes a witcher. Yeah, and I'm looking forward to it. The Witcher 3 is one of the greatest games ever made and I think it's awesome and I think people that are mad about this are just mad that women are main characters in video games. You can't allow, we can't have that, which is? It's such a strange turn, you know, because women have been main characters in games forever.
Speaker 1:But when they don't look like Lara Croft, it's a problem.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. And even when Tomb Raider got reworked and got remade and everything, people were upset at the Lara Croft design that she was more realistic looking. I don't get it, man. This game's going to be incredible, right? I mean, when this game comes out, it's going to be probably amazing and you're still going to get your Geralt fix because CD Projekt Red is remaking the Witcher yeah, the Witcher 1. That is happening. It's a ground-up, from-the-ground-up Witcher remake.
Speaker 1:So you're going to get Geralt Right?
Speaker 2:Everyone relax. You're also going to get Geralt in the new season of the Witcher with Liam Hemsworth Right, which is maybe not what people want, but you're still going to get it.
Speaker 1:That's what Liam Hemsworth wanted, is it I?
Speaker 2:don't know, or did they just give him a call and he was like, yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll do it.
Speaker 2:But the big, big, big, big, big big reveal. It was the final reveal of the Game Awards before game of the year. Um, naughty dog's new game, the last of us, part three, nope, okay. Um, in development since 2020. Um, which is crazy, which means which tells me this game might come out soon not soon, but probably 2027. Um, if they've been working on it that long. Um, yeah, so this is from.
Speaker 2:They were very pointed at the beginning of the trailer from the developers that brought you uncharted and jack and dax there and the last of us, and you're like, oh yeah, these guys are great at what they do. Um, it is intergalactic, the heretic prophet, an action adventure game set in the future. So, naughty dog getting away from the grounded nature of games like uncharted and the Last of Us and kind of going back to the you know, not fantasy, but sci-fi, going back to a sci-fi world, and it looks pretty great, it looks incredible. I mean, this game Written and directed by Neil Druckmann, so obviously his is in this and then Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross not his male's own doing the soundtrack. I saw that and I said no, they're on to something.
Speaker 2:They got something cooking up. That's a big deal.
Speaker 1:And I mean, do you see the? Obviously it's a flash of it a few times, but do you see the in this game as well too? So again to my point earlier, like this just shows you how far gaming has come. I mean the concept is really cool. I mean the setting concept is great. I mean this it's as if space travel was made in the eighties, so that's kind of what happens. Um, and then the. You know, obviously because of that, the more planets and more you know areas of space were colonized by humans as well too. Um, it's a little bit of like a murder, it's like a revenge murder mystery almost, which is a pretty cool, cool way to go about it. Um, I don't know, I just I mean I know it's like what you said, like I don't know, but I know, I know what people's issue with it is and I just find that so hypocritical and it's lame it's laughable.
Speaker 1:It's just like what's the actual, what's your actual problem, like it's it's lame at the end of the day, it's like they gender bent her, everybody would have been fine. Like this is going to be the greatest thing ever.
Speaker 2:Like I find that to be so insane yeah, so toxic gabrielle is the main character of this. She has been. She was In the Last of Us, part 2. Yep, she was in the Last of Us, part 2. Probably her most well-known role is Marianne in you. It's probably where she. You know where people know her from. You see someone on the screen and you're like I know where that person's from. And then you look it up and you're like, oh, that's where that person's from. So she's in this. Kamau Lujani is in this and, of course, troy Baker will be lending his voice to someone we don't know who. Tony Dalton also in this.
Speaker 1:That's the one I was just like that's awesome.
Speaker 2:People probably most recently know as Jack Duquesne in Hawkeye. So he's in this and I'm really looking forward to it. Man, obviously Naughty Dog has an unbelievable amount of grace. They've never missed, contrary to what people who don't like the Last of Us Part II will tell you. Last of Us Part II is technically sound. You can argue back and forth about the story if you want, but just from a development standpoint, from a gaming standpoint, it's one of the best adventure action games of the century and I'm looking forward to seeing how they kind of. If it's one thing I would want out of Naughty Dog, it is a return to the platforminess of Uncharted and the traversal that Uncharted gave, especially when I went back a few months ago and played Uncharted 4 again and I'm like, wow, this game still feels great. So we can marry the Last of Us kind of action with Uncharted's traversal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and if you capture that emotion from the Last of Us as well too, that narrative drive through that human nature, I mean, especially in a game that's built upon the fact of that sci-fi base, you're gonna need that humanity to kind of ground that as well too. If you can hit all those, take what you've done from all your other games and if you can hit all those strides I Take what you've done from all your other games and if you can hit all those strides, I mean you might have I'm talking an absolutely special one. Oh, we didn't even talk about Dead Stranding 2. I mean, we have like an, I think potentially one of like you're talking of the 2020s, like this can be one of the definers of the 2020s.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah and, like I said, they've been working on this for five years and, like I said, they've been working on this for five years. Like I said, I would imagine we're going to see more of it as the year goes on. Probably we'll get a gameplay trailer, which I'm definitely looking forward to, because I think, if anything, naughty Dog's definitely sold me on its narrative style. So I just want to see how the game looks in action. Conspicuous by its absence of the Game Awards was that Marvel 1940 game.
Speaker 1:Yeah 1943.
Speaker 2:Because I was thinking Naughty Dog, which of course made me think of Amy Henning, who founded Naughty Dog and was the director of the first three Uncharted games. I was interested that that game was just absent, especially after the big tech reveal of how impressive the animation looked in that game. So I'm still waiting for that, unless they weren't ready yet. Maybe, yeah, and we'll see. But all in all, like I said, the Game Awards was outstanding A lot of great reveals. Clive from Final Fantasy XVI was revealed for Tekken, which got a lot of people excited. Pc ports coming left and right for the last of us, part 2 and Final Fantasy VII Rebirth and full steam ahead into 2025, which I can't wait to see. What else we come out with this year and before we get into Superman, we do have some DC news, some good, some bad. The good Jason Momoa has been confirmed and cast as Lobo in Supergirl, woman of Tomorrow.
Speaker 1:Which starts filming this month too. So we're probably going to see some set photos and things like that, because I think if you know anything about Women of Tomorrow and I mean Tom King A, it's that I didn't know this until a few days ago. Tom King wanted Lobo in that story as well too. He wanted Lobo to be like. He wanted it to be almost like a buddy cop type of deal between the two of them. Before you know, dc came back and was just like maybe we should just focus on her, which, weirdly enough, I think that might have helped that story, because I've been kicking through that a little bit. I've been trying to commit to a full read, but I've been kicking through it a little bit. I just know Millie Alcock's about to put up one of those.
Speaker 1:This is going to be one of those very memorable pillar pieces to what the DCU is built upon, because I love the whole approach to Women of Tomorrow, like it's so. It's like it's perfect. It's I don't even know how to explain it, it's like it's perfect. I don't want to say anti-establishment. It's maybe anti-establishment in the way we think about superheroes. It's like where she's at, because it's that's like an incredible, almost like existential piece of like.
Speaker 1:Why, like I didn't really need to be, did I really need to be here this whole time? Like I don't need to be Supergirl, you guys already have who you wanted. So what did I like? What was I even supposed to be here for? Like I was supposed to protect him and now he's your greatest hero. Like I don't really have a purpose or a place.
Speaker 1:So the movie it would make sense to put her in there as well, too, because you get a good foot footing as well too, because we're going to talk about it and eventually we're going to talk the landscape of 2025 and you know we're not naive like there's going to be it's a battleground next year. It's going to be because between marvel and dc and I mean marvel has more real estate that they're going to put out next year but I mean you're talking about Superman itself is like that's the one, like that, actually, and we're going to talk about it in a second Like that's the one that, unless this fantastic four trailer comes out and I'm talking about full swing, cause I believe a super super bowl trailer seems the seems the way unless we're talking yeah.
Speaker 1:Unless we're talking a full swing of, like you know talking, yeah, unless we're talking a full swing of, like you know, just this incredible trail, which, I don't doubt it, it is. I, I think that, um, I think that, uh, what's his name that I can't remember. Matt shackman has a real handle on that and it feels very un mcu-ish for lack of a better term like I mean. My point for supergirl is that, like the addition of lobo, I mean jason momo, what a perfect fit well, yeah, this is the one that people have wanted for ever.
Speaker 2:Including him, yeah. Including him yeah.
Speaker 1:Like this is and it's such a good, like it gets the Game of Thrones fans happy. Yeah, game of Thrones fans are happy. Yeah, that's fun. I just I have this feeling because who's directing this movie? It's, I know he directed um. What did? He directed corlella and something else, but you're talking about this like this movie's gonna feel a lot like guardians of the galaxy, isn't it like this almost like little found family-esque kind of um, like her lobo, like it's gonna be like this fun action adventure space odyssey a little bit. Like that's like like rugged and rough a little bit. I kind of want to see Supergirl like that. I think the Supergirl we're going to get is a little bit more akin to the Injustice 2. That's probably where she's going to fall a little bit more than your traditional Melissa Benoist Supergirl.
Speaker 2:Which is a good archetype Supergirl for Millie Alcock because she is this very kind of If you've ever seen her interviews, obviously if you've watched her as Rhaenyra in House of the Dragon, she does have this edge and she's kind of brash and loud and I think adapting this version of Supergirl in particular is a good fit for her and, to your point, a good contrast to the Melissa Benoist version and it's also a good contrast to David Cornissa benoist version and it's also a good contrast to david corn sweat himself, who finally saw in full form, like again, like I.
Speaker 1:And then I have full out trust in tom king, because I know tom king's helping write this as well, yeah um, I have full out trust that like and I mean, we're going to talk about it when we talk about the superman trailer, like I don't know why anybody ever doubts james gunn, like I just I don't understand, like how, like what more does he have to prove? And I can't wait to talk about that trailer as well too. But I mean, just on the jason momoa piece, you want to talk about perfect castings. That's as perfect as it gets like. That just made me even more excited for this movie yeah, he doesn't even have to cut his hair.
Speaker 2:No, he's got the, he's got the look down, he's already. I'm looking forward to him coming back as loud Jason Momoa On a flying space motorcycle.
Speaker 1:It was trying to veer its head, especially in Aquaman 2. It was really trying to veer its head, it just wasn't working.
Speaker 2:He's just not a hero. He's not a heroic type of guy I wouldn't even say he's not a hero.
Speaker 1:Well, he is.
Speaker 2:Because in Dune he does it very well, Right.
Speaker 1:It's just Aquaman's, not Jason Momoa. Right, as much as he did his best and he did a good job too. To give Zack Snyder some credit, he fits what Zack Snyder's vision for a Justice League would be as Aquaman. That actually made the most sense. He's just not Aquaman, no. He imprinted himself onto Aquaman instead of vice versa.
Speaker 2:And he became Jason Momoa dressed up as Aquaman, which is fun.
Speaker 1:And he had a lot of cool moments to it as well. He had a lot of really cool moments.
Speaker 2:That first Aquaman movie, when he fights Oha master at the end, is still really great, yeah, like that that was.
Speaker 1:That's some fun stuff. But yeah, that just got me so much more excited for this, for the supergirl movie and especially the storyline, like if you get a chance to peek at what superman woman of tomorrow does like yeah, it is a special comic, like anything tom tom king does. I mean he has he's. He wrote my favorite comic book of all time, I mean the Heroes in Crisis. Just everything that Tom King had been through in his own life, you know, dealing with PTSD, all those things Like you know his mental state.
Speaker 2:I think that's one of the big approaches he's going to take to this movie as well too, and as soon as she was cast, you and I were both in, because I think you and I both felt what the direction of this was going to be.
Speaker 2:And felt her career from House of the Dragon, just seeing her for the first time in House of the Dragon, just how magnetic she was. And you know, like I said, like we were talking about months and months and months ago, her direction was either one, get her in this DCU or two, just make her go on Stacy in the MCU, and she would have crushed either of those. I'm still very happy for her that this is what's happening for her. That's the not so good news. The Batman has been delayed again. Batman Part 2 delayed to October of 2027. 2027. It just just turned to 2025. Um, man, that's a long haul. That is a long haul from the first one. Um, it'll have been five years between batman and batman part 2 from this point. So, but before you go, before you go, it is good For Robert Pattinson that he's Not just waiting For this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like he could be. I mean, obviously, like this year he's gonna. He's gonna be With Bong Joon-ho this year, um, he's gonna be with Christopher Nolan again next year, like he's got some roles.
Speaker 2:Yeah, ahead of him like yeah, he's not, he's not hurting, yeah he's not starving, like and I mean even to sebastian stan's point of like.
Speaker 1:I want to have a career archetype. I think all of hollywood's starting to see it. All the other actors are starting to see it, if they haven't seen. Like, robert pattinson's gonna be one of the definers of like the 20 of the 2020s. Like he's, he's gonna be one of those important pillar actors of the time too. So the fact that he's not just batman makes me happy. Obviously, that's in my top three favorite comic book movies of all time. It's in my top 10 favorite movies of all time the batman.
Speaker 2:So it's just it sucks it just it sucks because we're gonna have to wait to see him.
Speaker 1:But I think this is gonna funnily change the narrative a little bit, because I think they are gonna have a time jump now and I think that's what they were thinking about. I think they were like, should we just have this take place right after the penguin subsequently, or should we have a time jump? I mean, you can time jump now. Have oswald really step into being like the you know, the king of gotham for a little bit. Like, have him have his time in the sun, like now you can insert your robin. Now you can start to insert some different things, like you don't. Obviously. I definitely, if it's a five years in the future, don't have it set right after. Have some time pass. I think that would be important. Do a Robin, do a tried and true Robin in this movie?
Speaker 2:you can do all these things. I think you're right. I think the narrative definitely has to change a little bit. I don't think you can make this movie directly in the aftermath of the first one. It would just be the suspension of disbelief would probably be a little bit too great to be like Gotham's still flooded. So I think what you need to do is take a kind of like a Dark Knight approach to this and be like he's been Batman now for a little bit. You saw him his kind of like first, kind of outing. Yeah, that would be year six, seven Batman we'd see.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and now he's just batman like this is what he does yeah, gordon's the commissioner.
Speaker 1:Now, like you can do all of these things, like now you can get like a prime batman that's in its own like very cinematic sect of its own universe too and then you just pick a villain yeah, pick a villain like I. I still love the john carlo esposito, as Mr Freeze would be cool. You could do Two-Face. You have so many good Oscar Isaac, you could call Oscar what's the one, or Josh Hartnett as Two-Face. You can go so many different directions, so many different villains.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the Matt Reeves-ification of Batman makes me think Scarecrow. I just think Scarecrow fits this kind of weird dark world there's no shot.
Speaker 1:He doesn't use Beric Yogan as well too. That's going to be an important piece.
Speaker 2:I still think the Hannibal Lecter idea is still fresh in my brain, especially if you do a Scarecrow-type villain where Joker kind of confronts Batman but he's just going like, oh, this guy's messing with your brain a little, but also like the Riddler, also kind of like was more mental warfare. So maybe he does need like a Bane-esque physical matchup. Yeah, Like this go around.
Speaker 1:Well, I think what it needs to start to transition to is, like, because the bigger question of this is it's the why, like, why is it getting delayed? And I think it's because I think it's because the dcu, I think they're, I think they're. I think before it was the other way around. They were like, I think people like the film nerds and the comic lovers both love robert pattinson's batman, so like we can like go full send into this. But then I think the superman trailer came out and they were like, oh shoot, I think people are going to start to clamor for everything in here. Like I think they're going to want this universe put together. And again, I don't even think that was a James thing, I think it was a Warner Brothers thing. It's like get a Batman in there as soon as you can. Like the Reeves stuff is cool, but the Batman main universe with Superman is going to sell, which it will.
Speaker 2:And I think, ultimately, maybe this stuff is getting delayed because they're trying to figure out a way to fold him in. You could plausibly, and I think they're just based off the vibes of the Superman trailer. I think they're a great mirror for one another. Yeah, they are?
Speaker 1:Yeah, they are. And what you can say too is that Batman movie took place like year, not years, but like a decent amount of time, cause you know what I think about, funny enough, remember the batman premiere, and like the way he had his big black jacket on and like I was like, oh, that's bruce wayne, like, give me that and just put him there just in the ages are appropriate, like um, the ages are appropriate, like pattinson's can play him for as much. But you can still do your batman movie separate away and like, because I think what you can also do is you can do court of owls. If you want to do a bigger conspiracy, you could do the court of owls for this batman movie coming up as well too, and I mean, or what you could do, because they kind of tease it in the first, you could do hush as well too. So you have options, but I've been.
Speaker 1:Obviously, once the superman trailer came, the edits on TikTok started dropping and I was just like, wait a minute. I think they would be perfect Because, again, you don't have to worry about confusing audiences, which is a big thing that I think people are thinking about. Don't confuse the audiences, and that's a studio thing Two Batmen running at the same time, with as much people like Robert Pattinson's Batman now Well, it's part of.
Speaker 2:I don't want to compare what DC's doing with Sony, but it is part of the reason why the Sony universe failed, because people just didn't have anything to attach to. They're like what is this? Is Spider-Man here? Who's Spider-Man? What is happening? Why is Michael Keaton here? This is confusing and we're out.
Speaker 1:We're just out because what you could do plausibly is and this would probably help pattinson's batman fit in a little bit better, um, especially because I I know the rumblings if they want to do a teen titans movie as well too what you possibly could do is, like you can do your time, jump between the first and the second one, have the batman part two, just be in the dc universe, yeah, and like just be away from everything else, and you can. You can plausibly say like hey, I developed dick grayson in this time, in this five-year time I met dick grayson. I developed him jason todd, I just met him. He died. Like he died, you know, by the joker's hand, and we put him back in prison. Like so you could still have barry keoghan.
Speaker 1:He died, you know, by the Joker's hand, and we put him back in prison, like so you could still have Barry Keoghan get his. You know his off-screen reverence for being the Joker as well too. And then, because I know what they want to do, they want to do Grant Morrison's run on Batman. They want to have, they want to do Dick Grayson or they want to do Damian Wayne, which still makes sense, you can still cast a Taliyah Al Ghul and you can have. It be that you can have him against the League of Shadows if you want for that movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think ultimately, obviously, the end game of end games is Justice League. Right, and I think one of the shortcomings, one of the many shortcomings of the Snyderverse, justice League is I think Pattinson's Batman is a great avenue to do it like Justice League, the Animated Series, yeah, where he's not, he doesn't want to be there. Right, he doesn't want to be in the Justice League. That was the whole thing with the animated Justice League shows. They kept trying to get Batman, and Batman was never really there.
Speaker 1:No, no, and he was always the first one to be like you guys are idiots. You guys are idiots.
Speaker 2:You guys are idiots. I think Pattinson's Batman fits that much better compared to the Snyder version, where it was Affleck's Batman putting the Justice League together, which always never really made sense to me.
Speaker 1:We didn't even talk about it as well too, because I don't even know if we did last week, but Greg Fraser's going to do the Batman part two he chose we said it right going to do the Batman part too.
Speaker 1:He choked. We talked about that and we choked and we said it right. Like him, being on the Batman is more important than as crazy as it sounds, cause Dune two is one of the visually greatest films that's ever been released. However, the Batman the first Batman movie is one of the greatest looking comic book movies ever. It will still haunt me to this day that that movie did not win best cinematography in 2022. It was the best looking movie of that year and you can argue with a wall, so to the point of the greatest cinematographer of all time even saying that this is one of the most visually stunning movies he'd ever seen. And now and it doesn't even get a nomination is insane.
Speaker 1:Yeah so greg frazier being there, and also, in my opinion, because the the feel of what James is trying to do, like the Lantern show, like the full-out understanding, like this is gonna be like True Detective, like this high-prestige television, like, but we're gonna put Kyle Chandler and Aaron Pierre in this. Like doing this like horror-swamp-thing movie, like doing this like Game of Thrones, uh, paradise Lost show. Like you can still do the cinema with these movies. Like these movies should not be devoid of anything like that too. So to put patents into this universe would be amazing and, like you know, the other side of the coin is no, he's separate and we get a new Batman, completely, which I to your point about the Sony verse. Like it's the confusion. Like you might as well simplify this universe. Like it's the confusion. Like you might as well simplify this. You know, the biggest question is it's too p, it's matt reeves is probably the bit. That's the person they're probably trying to negotiate with to be like I know, like I get it.
Speaker 2:Like I know you want to have like your high cinema, like away from this and, to be fair, I think if anyone could convince him, it would be probably james gunn, and I mean I think Matt Reeves loves the, and especially you could see it with the Apes movies as well, too.
Speaker 1:Like he's not. He's not like a person. That's like. I need to be completely separate because I'm better than you.
Speaker 1:I think he's a savant for, like, the love of the games over anything. So I think he would enter and again that we're going to talk about in a second when we talk about this Superman trailer, like he gets it, like James absolutely gets it, and like Matt Reeves was dipping so much into those Batman comics as well too, like you want to talk about dipping into the Batman comics, like this Superman is, like dipping into those Superman comics and then some. So from both those fronts of both of them understanding it, like what's the play? Like hey, matt, you get to have an extended like producer credit on anything. We make sure let him have it. Like, let him have whatever he wants, whatever spinoff show you want to do on hbo max, go ahead, yeah, go ahead and do whatever you want.
Speaker 2:Like, if that gets robert pattinson together with david corn, sweat, like that makes so much more sense yeah, and make it, and you can make it just natural and believable, as opposed to what they did the first go around, yeah, where they just smashed them together like two action figures.
Speaker 1:Oh no, make the second Batman movie, make the second Superman movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Both these guys are really young. Yeah, pattinson's 38.
Speaker 1:Yep, he's got a lot of time, he's got time and then what that can develop into, because I do think he wants to do like I think, his culmination movie, like his endgame at this end of this thing. I think he wants to do Kingdom Come, like I think that's the story and like I can just see now Pattinson's Batman as that old man. Bruce Wayne, like the I told you. So Bruce Wayne, like I can see it, yeah, 100%.
Speaker 2:All right, let's jump into the Superman trailer. Lord, yeah, it approached all sorts of records, obviously one of the most watched trailers of all time, easily DC's most watched trailer. I think it. What was it behind Deadpool and Wolverine? It was behind Spider-Man. No Way Home.
Speaker 1:And Infinity War.
Speaker 2:So that's the type of company and the type of interest um that this movie has garnered.
Speaker 1:Well, I want to talk about this point too, like the real world aspect of this. Like I I've said this before on here, but I can't now I can finally stress this enough that's superman. Like this is the archetype superhero that is the most recognized superhero symbol on the planet. Like that's, he's him, like he. That's Superman. Like of course, this was going to be the most watched trailer in DC's history. Like, but again, it's not the fact that this is DC, it's their most watched trailer. It's feel. So you want to talk teaser trailers, you want to talk. Feel like you should immediately get feel. And I remember the. When I watched the trailer for the first time, I had like this, like it was almost like this shell shock of like I couldn't believe it at first like I was watching and I was just like that was cool.
Speaker 1:And then I watched it again. I was just like, wait, that was really good. And then I watched it again. I was like, wait a minute, what's it like? What's happening? And then I watched it again. I was like, oh, I get it, he understands, he gets it and that's all because of feel. And I mean you can split it any way you want, you can talk. Does it play? Because of the nostalgia. You have chris, you have you know. You have richard donners, you have john williams original theme in there, just modernized.
Speaker 1:But man you want to talk about, this feels like superman. Like if I were to pick up a comic right now and open the page, and it doesn't matter whose art it is, it could be Gary Frank, it could be anybody, it could be Lionel Francis Yu, it could be anybody's art that you want to pull from. It could be Frank Quietly, that's Superman. Like I opened the comic and that's how I felt watching this trailer. Like what I really dove into in the last week was I started watching people's reactions to the trailer, like people that didn't have, like I hate to say it, but like the Schneider bias, and like you're talking to me, like I love man of Steel, like I love that movie, but no Schneider bias. And like I was watching older people watch this trailer and like some of them were getting like emotional and I thought about it and I was like it's because this is Superman and there's a feel to this Like this feels right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a hundred percent. It just captures the essence of the character. You know, and that's what a good teaser does Like. I don't think this trailer hit all the beats right, it hit all the beats. It gave us, obviously. It gave us him, it gave us Superman, it gave us Lex Luthor. You know, we got to look at Nicholas Holt. He looks phenomenal as Lex Luthor. And the shots we get of him are pointed of like he feel the rage.
Speaker 1:That first shot of him where Superman's flying across and he turns around in the all-black suit and I'm like, oh, he hates him, Like that's genuine hate.
Speaker 2:We got Lois Lane. We got Rachel Brosnahan. I was just thinking. When she shows up I'm just like has there ever been a bad?
Speaker 1:Lois Lane no no.
Speaker 2:The look is just always, always, Whoever the actress is, always crushes the look. I don't know what it is. Maybe it's the character, Maybe it's just. I don't know Whatever it is. They got it down Just throughout history. They got the Lois Lane look down because she looks outstanding. We get the shot of them at the end of the trailer. Obviously we get Hawkgirl. We get a little look at Hawkgirl.
Speaker 1:Who looks pretty cool. That was probably the best one out of the three Because I think I know what's gonna happen at the end of this, but I'll save that for a second. But out of the three Lord Tech suits by Stag Industries, his is the most accurate. I saw people complaining about them. I said again it was that point that I made to you before we hopped on the people that are complaining about some weird stuff about this trailer. It feels like you haven't really read a Superman comic or a comic. It feels like you've been devoid of that, but your only knowledge of it is through visual media, live action media. So your perspective is skewed a little bit. That Mr Terrific looks incredible and if you want to complain about anything, complain about Guy Gardner, because he's ugly. Your perspective is skewed a little bit Like that. Mr Terrific looks Incredible.
Speaker 2:Incredible. Yeah, and if you want to complain about anything, complain about Guy Gardner, because he's ugly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's not. I love that they were like I can't believe this idiot looks so stupid with the bowl cut. I'm like what do you think Guy Gardner was thinking when he got drawn that way? He think he was happy.
Speaker 2:He think he wanted to be. Give it a bowl cut. No Jerk, he's the worst we got. Yeah, I mean, we got Crypto. Crypto is in this. People love that. I love that. Oh man, everyone loved that. Everyone loved that. If it's one thing everyone universally agreed on and loved, it was Crypto. In this trailer, they gave Crypto all the powers. He's a super fast, super speedy dog. Yep Runs across the Arctic and he's the goodest boy he is. If anything happens to Crypto, I'm burning James Gunn's house down. I'm on the record. We got that great shot of him saving that girl.
Speaker 1:So that was when the music crests in this trailer. That's when I was like, oh, yeah, yep, like I'm in and it's that stupid thing that I've talked about before, that I was just like it's what. Bvs was missing. Like, yeah, save the cat out of the truck. He saves people. I'm not naive. He saves people in bvs and man of steel, but like I'm talking and obviously this is before the kaiju fight, he saves people. But like, save the cat out of the tree, save the person that's falling man, that shot, just it broke me. Like that shot was just phenomenal, like this action seems tight.
Speaker 2:I mean, I know he talked about the fact that they wanted, like this Top Gun flight scenes you get some of that in the trailer too, when he's flying through the Arctic and it's kind of like the behind the shoulder, kind of like almost first person shot of him flying, which is it's the top he's right, it is the top gun thing like it feels like you're like riding with Superman, which is in IMAX. I'm sure that probably looks incredible, yep.
Speaker 1:He looks phenomenal, he looks great. He looks phenomenal as he looks phenomenal, he looks great. He looks phenomenal as both as Clark Kent and Superman.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he looks great and I just can't wait to, because obviously what we didn't get in this trailer really is him doing any dialogue or lines. No, we didn't there's no narrative in this, so I'm just curious just to see how he sounds as Superman and Clark Kent.
Speaker 2:I think we're going to talk about Superman and Lois in a second. I think that's. One of the things Tyler Hoechlin absolutely crushes is just his delivery of things and his mannerisms. We got a little Clark Kent-y mannerisms in this trailer. He's kind of bumbling around the street, he's kind of hunched over at his desk.
Speaker 1:And that's that all star Superman to him, he literally looks different. He looks bigger, he looks ophier, but now, when he turns into Superman, he looks like man. What a phenomenal look. What a stamp to put the director of the Guardians of the Galaxy trilogy also not title carding the trailer. Why would you have to?
Speaker 2:Right? No, I think it's brilliant, but it's just. You know who this is. Yeah, exactly, I think it's perfect. I was super impressed and all the expectations I had for this movie continued to rise.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I was genuinely for next year. I was battling between this and Fantastic Four, which one was the one. And I remember the day before they had that motion poster with the new theme that the composer for the Guardians of the Galaxy movies kind of remixed John Williams' score and somebody made a good point, I think, going forward, they're going to James Bond it where the Williams theme is the theme and then it's just going forward. They're going to James Bond it where, like, the Williams theme is like the theme and then it's just going to whatever version of Superman it would be. They're just going to kind of remix it a little bit. I mean, they did it in freaking in Black Adam. They did it. They used a little rift. They did use a little rift. Why you wouldn't use Hans Zimmer's rifts, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Because it's still that. One's still an incredible one too. We gotta look at Pa Kent, pa Kent yep, presumably before he dives headfirst into a tornado.
Speaker 1:No, he's not gonna do that in this one they're gonna do the good old heart attack.
Speaker 2:Nah, the good old heart attack, classic heart attack. We're gonna talk about a classic heart attack in a second, when we talk about Superman and Lois. But I mean, yeah, all in all, this trailer was incredible. Assuming neither this nor the Fantastic Four moves, july is going to be amazing. Oh my gosh, this is the Barbenheimer of superhero movies. What I would have given for.
Speaker 1:Funny enough, I think there was probably a gentleman's agreement, because I do think that Kevin Feige and James are going to talk to each other.
Speaker 1:They're friends and I think business-wise they're probably friends right now too. They're like if you don't infringe on me, I won't infringe on you and, conversely, I'm going to use you, you use me. I think it was smart, because this one comes out first and then the 25th is Fantastic Four. Right, that's going to give Superman enough time to breathe, like I'm a psychopath, like when Fantastic Four comes out. I'm seeing both of these movies in the same day like I'm gonna see both. I want to see both of them back to back and I want to see like it's not even for a compare piece and I think I think Matt Shackman also knew that going into Fantastic Four like I'm also gonna have to make this this like nostalgia feeling like MCU current separate classic superhero movie that's devoid of anything that the MCU shortcomings has right now. Again, he probably said I guarantee James was probably talking a little bit. He's like you guys don't understand. I got one, I really got one ahead of us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think you're right. I think a Super Bowl trailer for Fantastic Four is absolutely going to happen.
Speaker 1:Well, this trailer came out mid-december, so that's gonna be. But they have options. I mean, he can wait because I think that fantastic four trailer is really gonna take the super bowl, like that's gonna be the one of the super bowl. So maybe he waits and he says like let's wait on the full, like the full official trailer, until like March, because he's not going to do it any later than March.
Speaker 1:Like Marcus you're too close to July, by March, to do your first trailer, because we're going to conceivably get a second trailer by that time too. But probably, like April May, we're going to get the second, probably to play in front of the Thunderbolts, like just right before July happens. You're going to want to, and then the Fantastic Four is probably going to want their first official trailer by that time.
Speaker 2:So I just think, yeah, a Super Bowl trailer for Fantastic Four makes a lot of sense, especially because Captain America comes out a couple weeks after, or the week of yeah, because the Super Bowl is the first week and Captain America is the second week. Yeah, Captain America is Because I think what's going to happen is the Fantastic Four trailer is going to drop in the Super Bowl and they're going to insert it into the Captain America reel. It's going to be part of that.
Speaker 1:Because I think what's going to probably happen too is, I think, that because we've seen so much leaked footage from the cons for Fantastic Four, where I think they're trying to cut together this big, grandiose trailer to go for the Super Bowl, so then it will drop online as well too.
Speaker 2:Show us Galactus.
Speaker 1:Right, show us Galactus, like, show us, like this big.
Speaker 2:Show us the girl server. No, don't do this.
Speaker 1:I think they're trying to put something together where it's like this, like big, like hey, like I know the Superman trailer came out, but like A, you forgot what studio that owns the game right now. And like B, like this is the Fantastic Four, like this is the tried and true, like here's Pedro Pascal front and center during the Super Bowl, like they're probably waiting for that, but yeah, you're probably gonna want to play on the movies that are coming out and 2025 is loaded. Like you don't even need the Marvel and DC see movies to kind of put it in front of it either.
Speaker 2:Any, final thoughts on the Superman trailer.
Speaker 1:Phenomenal. You want to talk absolute feel. It gave me the same but different feel of when I watched the first official Batman trailer, the first full trailer for the Batman, and again it went to my point of do you just put them together like you just put them?
Speaker 2:in the same universe like yeah like the feel that I got.
Speaker 1:Obviously it was a different feel, but like. I think the feel is like these that's like, that's it, like that's who they are, like that's Batman, like that's Superman, like. I love that feeling of when you watch something and like, like. Let's just say it's like like hopefully it happens with this fantastic four trailer You'd be like that's the fantastic four, like I got that from the show. Like man, that's Superman, like that's it.
Speaker 2:Shout out that guy who conks Superman in the back of the head with a soda can.
Speaker 1:Hey man, that's messed up man, what a throw man that girl well, I was. I was like oh, yeah, oh yeah. Cinema I literally saw people crying just from watching that. Um, good stuff, very good stuff. I mean I that's my most anticipated of 2025, by a long shot now um, more superman, superman and lois what a show.
Speaker 2:What a show man. Um, what a show. What a show man. What a show. And a show where, once this final season got announced and they announced it was going to be reduced episode count I was like, uh-oh, are we going to mail this in? Are we going to end this stupid CW, going to end this amazing show? And they're just going to mail this in Because we can. The CW-averse series finales, in particular, are hit and miss. The Flash season 9 was not great.
Speaker 1:Not great is a non-great. It's the funniest finale they've ever done.
Speaker 2:The Supergirl finale they've ever done. The Supergirl finale was mostly forgettable. Sure, the Arrow season series finale was pretty good, yep, especially the way they were able to weave crisis into it as well. The Black Lightning series finale didn't feel like a series finale.
Speaker 1:No, and it's not their fault. They ended it yeah.
Speaker 2:Legends. It's not their fault. Legends of Tomorrow's series finale was fine. The track record is Series finales are hard. We've talked about this a lot when we've talked about shows wrapping up. Series finales are really hard, but it is clear, having seen it, now, that they took these 10 episodes and crafted a very concise, very heartfelt, very pointed narrative that successfully sends off these characters and this iteration of Superman.
Speaker 1:You know what also works for this, because obviously, character is the most important thing you can do storytelling-wise. It's work through your character, right. You know what this also does incredibly well. It does this, the comic book stuff so, and it weaves it to the perfect like funnel, right until that last episode, like it was. That it's. We talked about it. It's the literal inverse to what the what the flash finale was. It's like the flash finale tried to play everything so coy like. Remember how I said it in Flash Rebirth, not the new Flash Rebirth, the original Flash Rebirth, that big old splash page, the Superman and Lois finale. Does the splash page I was waiting for from that? They actually do it.
Speaker 2:They do it with the kids and with John Henry and his daughter and with this show. What you don't realize from episode 1 going to episode 10 is it's about the death of Superman and what that feels like the first episode he dies, you get the finishing result of his battle with Doomsday, which finished season 3. Also, what I was hinting at up top, the weaving and and and creativity, um that they use to rip different things from the, from the lore of superman, and weave it into, like the decision to take a, the decision, the first decision to do Bizarro as this alternate universe, clark Kent that lived under a red sun and was consumed by fame and he ends up trying to redeem himself and fails in the process and dies, becomes Bizarro, becomes this monster that is then taken by Lex Luthor and turned into Doomsday by Luthor, torturing him, killing him, bringing him back to life to turn him into Doomsday. That first decision was brilliant.
Speaker 1:And it just shows the long-term intelligence of this writing staff in terms of what they're doing and the source material they have. And I mean we should have known, because that steel reveal is so incredible and they did that in the first season.
Speaker 2:And that plot point carries through all the way to this finale, when Superman comes back again, when he comes back and him and Doomsday fight again and he gets Doomsday up to the sun and he's about to just mollywop him into the sun and Doomsday goes like this and you get the flashbacks to his life as Bizarro and he just kind of falls into the sun and you're like it's touching. They gave Doomsday this monster. That's all he is in the comics. He's a monster.
Speaker 1:He's a mindless monster. He's a turret. To give Superman something to actually fear.
Speaker 2:Yeah, physically, yeah. Monster, a turret to give Superman something to actually fear. Yeah, physically, yeah. And the fact that they turned it into this really touching moment where Doomsday remembers his humanity as Kal-El is, it's like beyond the pale of like you didn't have to go that hard, superman and Lois.
Speaker 1:Reiner, you possibly could have just made Doomsday Doomsday and everything be okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but they built this whole season around the fact that Doomsday, doomsday and everything be okay. Yeah, but they built this whole season around the fact that Doomsday was used to be Kal-El Yep, and that first episode, like I said, superman gets his heart ripped out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yep, and Lex Luthor stomps it out again.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's another plot thread of this final season. That was tremendous because they again it's your point about how smart the writing staff is they build this narrative thing Like, oh, we just have to get his heart back and put it back in his body, problem solved. And you're like, oh, that's what they're going to do. And then Jordan goes to get the heart back and it's all a trap orchestrated by Lex Luthor. He stomps the heart right in front of Jordan.
Speaker 1:You're like, oh, wait, it's the thing we always talk about Like, talking about like you're if you're gonna do something. It's two ways it's the character, being smart, or it's the, the, what you're trying to do being smart and like. We've seen it both ways of like it works or it doesn't work because the staff isn't. I don't want to. I hate them. I hate to say it that way. Like the staff's not I'm like they're. They're they're smart, like they had they had to work towards all like they're. They're living my dream out. You know what I mean. Like I can't sit and be. Like they're not smart, like they're doing exactly what I want to do one day, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:That's not fair.
Speaker 1:But like it's tough when staffs have to try to keep up with that, the staff knew, because they cared about these characters from day one. I think that's the biggest difference.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so Lex stom, yeah, so he stopped. Lex stomps the heart out and you're like, oh wait, is he wait? Like how, how are they? They have you questioning like, how are they? And now, how are they going to bring him back? Like, and it comes, and again what this final season does. It takes these minor characters that all of them you know, got a reduced role, like all the minor characters, um the same. The sam lane character comes and he, if you follow the chronology of the show, he's the one who never really bought into the idea that Superman can have a family. They show the flashbacks in this final season of him asking Sam for his blessing and Sam's like no, you don't have my blessing, superman, you can't be Superman and have a life, especially with my daughter. And then that comes all the way back around and sam knowingly sacrifices himself. He injects himself with the um, the serum that that was developed um at the dod to basically create more supermen, right, um, because sam's secret mission was trying to find a donor and doomsday attacks.
Speaker 2:And Sam's like well, we're out of time, injects himself checks himself with a serum, sacrifices himself to doomsday, doomsday, snaps his neck Um heartbreaking scene, oh my God. Yeah, when he just kind of like break Sam's neck and drops him on the ground, you're like, ooh. Um, then John and John Henry Irons flies to the Fortress of Solitude with Sam's body and Superman returns Dun, dun, dun, but the caveat now that he has a human heart. Yep, and it's a really smart way to kind of do the all-star Superman thing.
Speaker 1:The all-star Superman stuff. They do the camp. He goes to the store to try to because his hair is graying. So he goes to the store to try to, because his hair is graying so he tries to get the. Goes to the store to get the little the hair just for men. But like, that's your point, that's a great point of like they do, like all these things these movies try to do for so long, like, and if you think about it, it's like, was it ever complicated or do we just need to care about the? What you're doing? He's losing his powers.
Speaker 2:His powers are not, his hearing is not as good as it was. It's such a great way in a final season to make him. I mean, we saw him die in the first episode, but now he comes back and you're like, all right, he's Superman again, but he's not. And you're like that's a really interesting idea that he doesn't know and we don't know if he can beat Doomsday, if Doomsday should show back up.
Speaker 1:It's can he not beat Doomsday? Can he beat Doomsday? But it's also like it's allegorical, because it's like it's the whole piece of life itself. Like this it's the thing that turned him into Superman. It's the human aspects of his life. It's like it's him being a father like him, having Jordan and John, like his father died and that kind of gave him like the like the you know, I just need to take all of his teachings like it's the inverse, like this is life. It's like Superman's greatest, like it's his greatest adversary but it's his greatest ally, it's his humanity. Like that's the thing that really, like it really perpetuates Tyler Heckling's Superman over you know that part. You can put over Christopher Reeve's Superman. You can put over, you can put over, obviously, brandon Routh, like you can put over Henry Cowles. It's like that humanity piece is like I've never seen work like that in Superman in live action before.
Speaker 2:Like he has that scene with John Henry Irons where he's doing the tests on him and he's like look man, you're a healthy 60 year old man like Sam was as fit a man as he could be, but he's still. You still have a human heart pumping and you're pumping blood into you and eventually you're gonna wake up one day and you're not gonna be Superman anymore. And that line like you're like oh, what do you mean? What do you mean he's not going to do Superman. So now, like the clock's ticking and the inverse of that is Michael Kudlitz's Lex Luthor, who goes from this brawler, angry, biker kind of guy and then man when he shaves the beard and he gets this.
Speaker 2:I'm like wait a minute.
Speaker 1:Have you ever seen Doomsday Clock, the one cover with Lex Luthor? I forget, wait a minute. Have you ever seen doomsday clock, the one cover with lex luther, when he I forget what he's holding? Um, but I don't know why that version of lex luther reminded me of michael cutler's lex luther, like clean shaven, like full suit on, like I was like, oh shoot, like that truth really is. Tyler heckling's lex luther, like, but again it's the work of, like the comic bookiness of the season, to be like, no, we're gonna're going to give you everything, we're going to give you all that comic book.
Speaker 2:And again the remix of Lore. He steals John Henry Iron's suit to create the Lex Luthor battle armor and I'm like, again, that is such a perfect tie to you know, and I love the season. One callback Callback that he was, that he used the moniker of luther and he takes. And you know, when superman takes the boys to the fort, because john gets powers, john's powers awaken, it becomes jonathan kent superboy.
Speaker 1:Well, wasn't the whole thing that his powers were more, you know, natural to him?
Speaker 2:that he got all the.
Speaker 1:He got all the powers right because he's he truthfully is superboy, it's just his word. More natural like that he takes to it it quicker. It's because it's the last season, but truthfully, he just has a more natural aptitude for being, and he always wanted it Right, especially after his brother got powers.
Speaker 2:That was John's whole narrative arc. He was the perfect son. He was the perfect child. He was the perfect fit to be Superboy, and he just wasn't which was interesting. And then he gets powers and he just takes to it like a duck takes to water.
Speaker 1:But then the inverse, jordan immediately is just like we're right back to square one. We're right back to where he was, the golden child. What?
Speaker 2:made me special was the fact that I got powers and now Jordan retires he does retire, but then Superman comes back. He takes the boys aside when he I forget what happens. Oh, he fights John Henry Irons because John Henry Irons gets the suit hijacked and John Henry Irons almost beats him. And that's when Superman realizes, like I can't beat Doomsday, he goes back to the fortress, he walks through the fight with his mom and she's like tell me what happened. And he's walking through the fight.
Speaker 1:And he's like tell me what happened. And he's walking through the fight and he's like he overpowered me and he killed me like I don't think I could beat him.
Speaker 2:He was having like ptsd trying to watch that fight too it was. And then he realizes, like I, as much as I want to protect my boys, like I need them to overcome this um, he trains them at the fortress. They fight season one, john henry irons it was very video game-esque. It's like you go back, the stranger pops up and they fight um an ai version of steel, which was cool. Um, and then the lex luther stuff, man man, he and I love what undoes lex. At the end it's his obsession, not with superman per se, lois lane yep, it's his obsession with Lois that ultimately undoes him, because he's so fixated on the fact that she stole 20 years of his life by sending him to prison that every opportunity he gets to let it go, he can't let it go, and that's the thing that undoes him.
Speaker 1:And it's such a testament to not only Lois' art but Elizabeth Tulloch's performance as well too, as know, not only Lois' art but Elizabeth Tollett's performance as well too as Lois, because Lois had been beaten the season before and still came back Cancer, yeah, like you had the worst thing and then still come back. And I mean that's one thing I want to talk about Across the board. These performances, like again, like I can talk CW-ification of things and be like for the CW, this is good. No, no, no. These are just good performances, just point blank. They're outstanding. I mean, they touch upon everything that makes the comic versions of them so good. But then, like I said, this is still just a good drama show, just overlaid on top of that, or I don't know which one is overlaid, I don't know if the Superman is overlaid or if the drama is the overlay, but they just they marry each other perfectly yeah, and it's his obsession with Lois that he just can't let it go and it drives his daughter.
Speaker 2:He reunites with his daughter. The only thing that he ever wanted was to have his daughter back in his life. Was that the only thing you wanted? Nope, played by Agents of SHIELD's own plays his daughter, which was cool. Tom Cavanaugh piped up in this in the season, as Godfrey, who comic book viewers know is one of the heralds of Darkseid, which is the funniest thing ever. What?
Speaker 2:if he is in this universe too. I guess there were plans. You know the showrunners have said there were plans to do dark side, there were plans to do brainiac well, I think season five naturally would have been brainiac that would have made, because I think they had that call back to brainiac as well.
Speaker 1:It was the one that helped him make some, I think the suit. Yeah, it helped with the suit.
Speaker 2:Whatever it was, it was from brainiac's human name yeah, that would have been, that would have been good. Yeah, and I have no doubt that they would have pulled it off. Um, and then we get this finale.
Speaker 1:Um, what a, what an incredible episode, to the point where, like I felt like everybody was watching this finale, I'm just like wait a minute Is. Is that Superman?
Speaker 2:Like Superman and Lex Luthor comes to a head. Um, we get one pretty. It's a pretty brief brawl which I kind of liked. Um, cause, they build up. Lex put, they build up. He puts all the gadgets and gizmos in the suit to fight Superman, this kryptonite bullet that can drill his way into. Because Lex realizes he might be the man of Steel but he still has a human heart. So if I can pierce his heart he's toast Right. But then Superman fights. He fights Doomsday again, pushes Doomsday into the sun. He absorbs the sun, Gets his hearing back.
Speaker 2:Like that I love the tie-in, Like him fighting Doomsday, overcoming Doomsday, absorbing the power of the sun. And he gets it's kind of like a western kind of he gets like one last go, one last go as a fully powered Superman, Because he gets his hearing back, he can hear from space again, which he had struggled to do all season. He couldn't hear across town, Right. So he gets this one last go as a fully powered Superman to fight Lex Luthor. And he does the. You know, my wife, my town. He's punching Lex across an area code. Lex keeps coming back and Superman finally gives him one big old loaded boom, Punches him out of the suit Shatters. The steel suit John Henry Irons is like oh no, no, my suit.
Speaker 1:Man, if they would have given him that suit that we saw the behind the scenes of, as like the subsequent suit after this, that steel suit looked amazing. And it's just the fact he has his wedding ring out when he's going in for the punch. It's just like again to the comic point of it, like that's one of the greatest rivalries in comics, like finally coming to we didn't see this. We've never like We've never seen it like this in live action before. Like they did it, like they actually did it. And he still saves his life at the end too.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, he catches him. Yeah, oh, Superman's. He outs himself to the world. Well, that's one of the big arcs of the season. Yeah, because people start finally figuring it out.
Speaker 1:Well, he died in the street. Well, he died in the street. But then why are the Kents going over to Superman and why are they all crying like?
Speaker 2:that, why are?
Speaker 1:they so upset? Why are they so upset? Why did one of the sons call him dad?
Speaker 2:And then we get that great scene in the diner with the guy that he confronted in season three. Oh, what's his name's dad? What's?
Speaker 1:her name's dad, yeah.
Speaker 2:Candace's dad, yeah that scene is still incredible, that first the first scene when he clark, are you all right? Nope, nope, um. And then superman. He has no choice because lex luther told candace's dad that clark is Superman and he's like. I need to find out whether it's true. Like you ruined my life, superman, not me being a drug dealer. Yeah, how could you do this to me?
Speaker 1:How could you make me do this?
Speaker 2:He fires a gun in the diner and Superman slows down time and he's like, all right, crap Opens the chest and everyone's like, holy shit, you're not Superman, are you? You're Superman. And it goes really well for him. He does a really nice interview. Yeah, great homage With Janet Olsen. Yep, jimmy.
Speaker 1:Olsen's in this. Jimmy Olsen and he's properly. And the arc that they give Jimmy Olsen to is so heartbreaking In like one episode yeah, they give Jimmy Olsen to is so heartbreaking In like one episode yeah, because Jimmy thinks that Clark hates him. Yeah, but Clark's like no, I am Superman. Sorry about making you feel that I wasn't.
Speaker 2:He's properly Jimmy Olsen. He's not cool, james Olsen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's not James Olsen. What was his name from the crossover? What was his name from the crossover?
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, what was it Not the Patriot, not the Patriot. I don't remember who knows the Guardian.
Speaker 1:The Guardian, james Olsen. James Olsen, you think you're cool?
Speaker 2:I just it's not a birthmark Cole, it means you've been chosen. It's not a birthmark Clark, it's not a birthmark man. He fights Lex Luthor, he gets him, it's all good, and then we get this just incredible voiceover monologue.
Speaker 1:Because the episode's like halfway over and you're like where are we going?
Speaker 2:They were like we're going to break everybody's heart, holy shit and we get this great dialogue, this monologue from Tyler Hoechlin, this voiceover classic CW voiceover is back, but it's done in the best way possible and Superman just kind of walks us through the rest of his and Lois' life. He lost his powers, so he set up him and Lois set up like a philanthropy thing, used their fame, used their fame from being Superman and Lois Lane up like a philanthropy thing, use their fame, use their fame for being Superman and Lois Lane to keep helping people. Jordan and Jonathan became proper superheroes. They got their own costumes, like you said. We get that splash page shot of Superman flying with the two boys and John and Natalie. And then things take a turn Lois' cancer returns.
Speaker 1:Um, she got to live 32 more wonderful years.
Speaker 2:Yep, after that, um, john and Jordan have heaps of grandkids that Clark brings to the farm and all this, Um, and then he got a dog.
Speaker 1:And they. I love it cause they didn't shy away from it. Just make them crypto. Yeah, you don't have to make it complicated?
Speaker 2:yeah, it didn't. Yeah, it was a lot. How have I never had a dog before crypto and I spent a lot of, went on a lot of walks together. Um had a lot of great moments because lois passed at this point, so that's why he ended up getting crypto.
Speaker 2:Um, that scene where she dies is heartbreaking because, like you, like you see, like his worst fears from season three kind of realized like the one thing that like he couldn't save her from, and it came back and and got her um, so she dies. And then he's walking crypto. And then he said and then my heart gave out um, almost in the same exact spot where my dad died, and it would have been where I died if it wasn't for Kyle. Yeah, kyle, you know, brought me back, but I was on the ropes.
Speaker 2:And then I think the line from this that's always going to stick with me was the first time I died, you know it was dark. And then he goes the second time I died, it was wonderful, and you see him die. And then he kind of like when he come like ghost, superman, rises up, um and he just walks us through, kind of his perspective on humanity and his perspective on life and love and how important love is. Um. You see him kind of visiting with the younger versions of his sons, um they share a big hug. He visits lex luther who's sitting at a table, um, and he kind of puts his hand on lex's shoulder and gives him like a sorry, I forgive you like you know we're cool.
Speaker 2:We're cool now, um, and, and then he opens the door, opens um, big light, and there's Lois in that red dress and he says she looks beautiful. Um, and he basically is speaking to the audience saying you know, don't give up on love. Like loves, the one thing that we have, you know, and it's, it's beautiful. It's like as far as like send-off for a character. It was absolutely perfect the way they went about it, with him just doing a monologue at the end like a voiceover, how CW of them did it. It was very CW, but at the same time it was I couldn't have thought of a better way to do it and the weirdest of ways of thinking.
Speaker 1:That was his stamp of ways of thinking. That's like that was like his stamp of approval of like I am Superman, like that was like the last, like that was the last piece of the puzzle to be like. No, like I'm Superman, like this is I'm gonna be remembered as like one of the greatest Superman to ever don this costume and it's the truth. Like, if we want to just talk about tyler heckling for a little bit, you want to talk about every aspect of what makes superman an incredible character, one of the most famous symbols on the planet. Like tyler heckling captured all that and then they got innovative and then they didn't do the comic way of me. They did, but they didn't do the comic way of making him giving him a young son and he's super boy and and they do all.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no. They put this family drama dead center in this too, and they let them. They just let them be Like all that Superman stuff was so cool, but if you would have stripped that and still given you this show, like it still would have played. Like it still would have played, because all these performances are incredible and I cared about all these characters.
Speaker 2:The line he gives at the end sums up Superman perfect. He says I came to this world alone and when I left it I had so much and it was all because of love. It's the thing that makes life worth living. Do everything you can to find love, to give it, to hold onto it, because life goes by so fast and I'm like what, the what I was flabbergasted. I was like wow, like I don't think I've ever seen a superhero show and quite like that no, no, I'm, I'm literally trying to think.
Speaker 1:I mean, smallville's finale is still, it's still, it's still cool, I think. I think smallville's finale is cool, like, I think it's the cool because it's the, it's the, it's the end of the beginning, like, it's the. Yeah, it's right where you're about to start, you know. But man, man, man man, you want to talk about the poetic justice of what the end of this was like and it's so fitting that we go into this new age of superman. Like. I don't even want to, because before I was going to say, like tyler heckling was the perfect bridge piece to get it like, get us from henry cavill to date, but no, no, no, he's one of the pillar pieces of superman.
Speaker 1:Like he is, he is one of the most like, he's going to be one of the more important parts of like the superhero genre, especially from a television lens, of like what can be? Because I remember the stigma used to be before of like you can't have your big boys in a TV show. Like can't have Spider-Man in a TV show. You can do it, but they have to be like. It has to be like before. It has to be before Like. No, you don't have to. You can have the prime versions of these characters. Be them right now, like you can have that happen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've never seen a superhero show end like that before, like.
Speaker 1:I've been seeing the react like, say, I talked about the Superman trailer, but like the reaction to this finale, like people crying at this finale, and again it's feel like that's the full out truth of what Superman is Like. They hit it, they hit everything nail on the head Like what an incredible finale.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I mean you know, I mean arrow ended with Oliver dying. So it's not like we haven't seen that before, but this had so much more weight to it where, like it was truly final Right, you know, and it wrapped a bow on everything that not just he had seen prior to like the show starting, you know, but everything that we had also seen from season one on, and it was just I can't say enough good things about it like it was that's just a perfect send-off, and you wouldn't think that a show about superman would end with him dying not only with him dying, but him dying in such a satisfying poetic like, like the natural progression of life.
Speaker 2:Dying and that's why the and that's why the bookend of how the season started with him dying in this violent battle with Doomsday and him commentating on that. The first time I died it was basically horrific, it was dark and it was horrible. And then for him to turn around and go the second time I died was so much different and it was amazing and the feeling that washed over me I can't begin to describe it. And it was amazing and the feeling that washed over me, I can't begin to describe it. And then he begins to just perfectly describe it in the only way Superman can yeah, man, shout out, tyler Hoechlin man.
Speaker 1:What a casting, what an absolute, and we knew from that first time watching him in Supergirl I was like it's one of those things where you watch, you're like, wait a minute, it catches you by surprise. You're like because in your mind you're like, well, this is a CW TV show and he's, you know, he's Teen.
Speaker 2:Wolf. You know he's, you know he's a good actor.
Speaker 1:It's the same thing. Well, obviously, on paper speaking, I mean, he's a better actor than Stephen Amell. I don't think there's an if and or but about it, but it's the same progression piece. I watched Teen Wolf. He was not this. He is a legitimate, very, very good actor now. He is so great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's incredible and I hope.
Speaker 1:He does the arm cross perfectly, he's sto and I hope he does the. He does the arm cross perfectly. He's. He's stoic, he's tender, he's like he's understanding. Like I mean this show has so many heights. I mean I was thinking about it. I mean like remember when they flipped the all star Superman when he saves the girl in the comic, and they flip it to Lois saving the woman and I forget what she was in that show, but or but. They flip it to lois, like this, and that's the other part of this show. It's like this isn't superman, it's superman and lois, and like there's a fear that comes with. That is like lois is one of the strongest parts of this. It doesn't work without her. It doesn't work she's completely fearless.
Speaker 1:Um, that's exactly who lois lane is like I don't care what situation I run in too, I don't care what happens to me.
Speaker 2:She confronts Doomsday and appeals to his humanity, which, in lesser hands, that could have come across incredibly cheesy you do that in some other CW shows it just implodes from the way that she spoke to him to the flashes of you see, doomsday's inner mind working where, like, he sees his former life and he sees lois in that life and it makes sense, it just makes sense. And you're like, wow, um. So I mean I don't know where tyler heckling goes from here, but I hope he just his career, just ascends from here. Um, and then I mean I don't know, I don't know if there's ever a world where he comes back as Superman at some point for something. I don't know where that would be, maybe like an HBO Max thing.
Speaker 1:I mean we're talking years, but he would be perfect for a Crisis thing later down on the line. It's the same way they play brandon ralph and in crisis is the same thing that james gunn can use. I would love that years down the line.
Speaker 2:He can and don't get me wrong, I loved the send-off. I think if this is the last we ever see of him, it's beautiful and it's perfect, but I would kill in like 5-10 years from now if he was Superman again in something.
Speaker 1:It would be incredible so, yeah, imagine in a world of like, if we had ever gotten a. Imagine a world we've ever gotten like a CW Batman. Imagine that Justice League. Yeah, because I don't know who it would have been. I don't know how you go about it. We've ever gotten like a CW Batman. Imagine that Justice League. Yeah, because I don't know who it would have been. I don't know how you go about it. I mean, there was. I mean, jansen Ackles would have probably been the perfect choice to play that Batman at that point. But imagine that Justice League like Superman, the Flash Green Arrow Batman. Like you could have done it. Like you actually could have done Martian Manhunter. You could have done it, you actually could have done Martian Manhunter. You could have had an actual Justice League team. You probably would have just needed a Batman and a Wonder Woman if you wanted a tried and true one.
Speaker 2:Man, if there's ever a world where they can do a Justice League miniseries and get them all back, yeah, Get Grant back. Get Stephen Amell back, get Tyler Hoechlin. Bring Cress Williams back. As Black Lightning you can use Melissa Benoist and just have them do a thing.
Speaker 2:That would be incredible. But yeah, man, I can't say enough good things. I was really worried going into this final season that I didn't know how this was going to go, with the reduced budget, with the shorter episodes, with the cast getting kind of downsized and they, you, you know, predictably they crushed it, crushed it, incredible man. Yeah, so that was fun. That was our Superman centric episode. What a character.
Speaker 2:I think, if anything that Superman and Lois says and the trailer said is that over the last couple of years all due respect to Henry Cavill, but between this trailer, between Superman and Lois, this is Superman, this is what the character should make you feel, this is what it feels like to have this character around Like. This is both both. You know, I know one's just a trailer and we haven't seen the movie yet, but the feeling that that trailer captured is the same feeling that you get watching that finale of Superman and Lois, watching like the pilot of Superman and Lois, especially as they're walking through, like his early days, and he catches the car you know, man, that season premiere and that season finale, like the series premiere, series finale, like juxtaposed to each other, like how incredible both ways.
Speaker 2:Both are just so phenomenal and the season and the premiere, from him revealing his identity to his family to the finale of him revealing his identity to the world. Man, it's perfect. They it really feels like they thought it out. It sounds like a stupid thing to say, but the show was so well put together from start to finish and, like I said, they pulled from the best parts of the lore and they twisted it in their own way, making John Henry Iron just a character in the show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not just like a conduit for something, like he was an actual person, like all your twists and turns and reveals, and I mean you know you switch actors of a main character of the show and it's seamless in the way that you do it. Like, again, all the comic book-y stuff still works, all the family drama stuff still works, like man what a way to tell yourself, like even budget limitations and I know we talked about it with like stargirl and stuff, it doesn't matter. It does not matter if your character is at your core and you do them justice and justice is done. And then some in this show yeah, agreed.
Speaker 2:Um, that's gonna do it for us this week.
Speaker 1:Shout out again just tyler hecklund, just five stars five stars superman and I know I can't wait to see what David Cornswath does with this Superman character, because again we talk, feel like that feels like Superman, like there's a feeling that I'm getting from this that I haven't. Like it's the same but different feel that I had when I watched the Batman. I was just like there's something about you that's just. I know this is going to be incredible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but yeah, let's get out of here. You can follow us on Twitter at ProjectsNF underscore pod. You can follow us on Facebook. You can follow us on Instagram At the Project Infinite pod. You can follow us on YouTube and TikTok at Project Infinite podcast. Next week, I don't know, maybe we'll do like a 2025 thing.
Speaker 1:I think that's that's well, in order to do a 2025 preview, yeah especially.
Speaker 2:I mean we got so much stuff coming up. Lord we, captain america 4 is coming out, daredevil is coming out, fantastic four, superman, the thunderbolt, and that's just marvel in dc?
Speaker 1:yeah, just more. I mean we're getting we're getting more john wick, we're getting more jurassic park like we're getting so many different. We're getting more John Wick, we're getting more Jurassic Park. We're getting Stranger Things back you want to talk about. 2025 is properly loaded with things, so we have a year ahead of us so we'll do some stuff.
Speaker 2:We'll do some 2025 preview stuff for sure. So from me, careful man, careful man careful man stuff for sure. So for me, from the Careful man, careful man, careful man.
Speaker 1:This is actually the one week I'd be okay, because he's a stand-up guy.
Speaker 2:I do kind of want to use it. Do it. John Henry Irons of the podcast yes, you're not that man of steel, I am.
Speaker 1:I said whoa Whoa. You're not that man of steel I am. I said whoa Whoa.
Speaker 2:Wait a minute. What a man. All-timer, that's an all-timer reveal.
Speaker 1:That was insane. The camera comes whipping through. I said wait a minute, you're steel from the death of Superman in Fallout. Insane, they got us, they did get us. That was crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they got us, they did get us. That was crazy, um, yeah, so we'll see you next week, we'll do, uh, do some 2025 preview stuff.
Speaker 1:Um, until then, goodbye, peace, truth, just oh, I was just gonna say it, I was gonna do it. I had a better tomorrow.
Speaker 2:I should have committed. We're out of here, sayonara adios.
