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143 - Superhero Showdown 2025: Superman vs The Fantastic Four and Forecasting This Year in Movies
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What if the battle for box office supremacy in 2025 could spark a cultural event on par with Barbenheimer? We explore the upcoming clash between the highly anticipated Superman and Fantastic Four films, examining their potential to redefine the superhero genre. We also dive into the strategic release dates of these cinematic giants and how their marketing strategies might play out. Join us as we ponder whether this showdown could lead to billion-dollar earnings and reshape the landscape of superhero cinema. Before that, we talk tons of Sony announcements and some bits and pieces from the entertainment world including the storm of Marvel Rivals. Thank you to everyone who continues to support and don’t forget to subscribe to download new episodes as they become available and don’t be afraid to share a rating!
0:00 Intro
01:54 Marvel Rivals Takes the World by Storm
09:47 Sony Conference News and Notes: Horizon Zero Dawn Movie, Ghost of Tsushima Anime, The Last of Us Season 2 Trailer.
22:13 Movies We’re Anticipating in 2025!
31:21 We’re Afraid for Captain America 4 but Not so Much for the Thunderbolts
39:20 Superman vs Fantastic 4
01:01:16 Signing off!
Topic for Next Week: Previewing 2025 In TV & Gaming
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Speaker 2:Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of the Project Infinite Podcast, the podcast covering the infinite and ever-expanding multiverse of fandom for movies, comics, tv shows, video games. We got you covered. I'm rob. I'm here, as always, with court and courts. We are here this week to talk about this. This year, this year coming up, this year, that we're in, this year, that just started, um, and it's never too early to talk about the things that we are excited for and looking forward to. So that's what we're going to do this year, kind of like what we talked about last week. This year is pretty loaded.
Speaker 1:This year is really loaded with fandom content. I think 2023, notoriously for film as a whole, was huge. That landscape for the Oscars was. You know that was a memorable one In modern history. That was one that was an all-timer. So this year specifically I mean just shooting down the list we were kind of compiling things of what's coming out this year, the franchise stuff and things. There is a boatload for this year, so we're going to be eating good and even non-franchise stuff, what I'm excited for. On the film side, you have a lot of bigger name directors are coming out with stuff this year and seems really dedicated to what they're coming out with and what they're doing. And then on the television side, there's some heavy hitters ready to go this year too. So a lot of recurring seasons coming back as well too, a lot of final seasons that we're going to go into as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it're going to go into as well, yeah, yeah, so it's going to be an exciting year. Hopefully, hopefully, all these things kind of, you know, live up to the expectations or the excitement um. But first we do have a little bit of news. Not not a ton of news, um, but I guess we could just start with marvel rivals. Um, just an absolute firestorm. Um, since you know, since it launched um a little over a month ago, um, with season zero, which I guess you could, I guess you could consider it like a beta season, um, a little bit shorter than the standard seasons that are going to be upcoming.
Speaker 2:Um, it took, took the took the gaming world by storm. I've been playing a ton of it. Um, youically, I've kind of retired from the shooter genre, but this game is just super fun. I love what they've done over there at NetEase Games. They have really, you can tell they put a lot of care and attention not just into the characters, into the world, which they didn't have to do. Obviously, it's a hero shooter, you don't need to really bog things down with lore, but they, they really have. I mean, I spent, I spent an embarrassing amount of time um, in like the hero profiles and like there's like paragraphs of war for like each character and, like you know, the story behind the game is really, really, really interesting.
Speaker 2:Um, and it's just been great leading up to the trailer that released for season one of Marvel Rivals, which is going to include the Fantastic Four. So all four members of the Fantastic Four will be coming this season, starting with Reed Richards and Sue Storm. Coming out tomorrow at the launch of the season and then at the halfway point of the season is when you'll get the thing and Human Torch, bringing the total roster to 37 characters. Pretty much at launch, all free. All the characters are unlocked from Jump. The only thing that you would pay for is the Battle Pass and costumes, if you want.
Speaker 1:If you want, that's the biggest thing you said out of that. If you want, you want. That's the biggest thing you said out of that. If you want and you don't have to, and I think that's a phenomenal, and I mean we talked about it with the difference between a game like the avengers and obviously the. The play style of game is different, but guardians of the galaxy, it's the difference.
Speaker 1:And I mean, if you want to take the avengers versus this, it's right in the, the proof's right in the pudding. I mean, you don't have to pay for anything if you don't choose to. There's no buffs, there's no upgrades. Like you can just play this game and have fun, like you can just hop on, you know, have fun, see all these characters get a whole bunch of character designs. If you want to get upgrades to the character designs, you can, but it's just the cast of characters you have in there too. And to start with the fantastic four is such a swing, it's such an immediate swing, um, to start a season one and it just looks fun, it looks innovative, um, and it's just the shell shock and storm of this, of this game just coming out, of everybody talking about this game. I mean I'll be walking by people that'd be like did you play marvel rivals? Like that's where it's at right now.
Speaker 2:It's insane yeah, and it's, it's really you know, it's shows sometimes how simple the formula is like you go back to you know we've talked about Marvel's Avengers a few times, you know, over the last couple years and just not handled well. I mean, you had characters obviously locked behind. Yeah, paywalls Like paywalls. You know you could pay for like little, like upgrades, and the game just wasn't fun, like the gameplay loop just was not fun at the end of the day. We talked, you know, we talked at length about how interesting the story was.
Speaker 2:The story was probably the most interesting part, kamala khan was probably the most interesting part, and then you're done within a few hours yeah, and then it's just, you're fighting taskmaster a hundred times or you're fighting a giant robot a hundred times, um, the gameplay loop just wasn't fun, whereas, like marvel rivals um, obviously it's two different genres but at the same time, like it's, you want they and not so much, I guess they do incentivize in a way. Like they do incentivize, just like one more game, one more match, right, you know, you just keep going. Um, you know, I think the quick, I think quick play is kind of like where, where I've landed, like competitiveitive play, just not for me, but I think that's fine. I think it's good that there's such a variety of game modes. It's just fun picking up a new character.
Speaker 2:That's the cool thing about having so many characters at launches. You just pick your favorite character and just try and get good with them. At the end of the day, that's that's kind of what you want. And I think this, I think this studio is just, you know, super impressed, um, with what they've done. And I can't imagine that, you know, because at the end of the day, like marvel licenses out all their characters and everything to these studios for for reasons, and I can't imagine, marvel's disappointed the marvel youtube channel is like littered with marvel's marvel rivals content.
Speaker 1:There's a reason for that. Yeah, they know this can be a flagship thing that they can put top of the page in between. You know, your movie release that comes out next month like this can be the thing that people think about that more associated association with marvel. It can be Marvel rivals for a little bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and to your point about the roster too, they took some pretty big swings with who they included. I think of characters like Magic, I think of Cloak and Dagger, I think of Iron Fist using the Lin-Lay version of Iron Fist, jeff Jeff, Jeff the Landshark, patty Parker, who really hasn't garnered a ton of popularity outside of the Spider-Verse movies. So I think including Penny Parker was great and you know it just opens the door for and now bringing the Fantastic Four, like it just opens. It was my favorite thing also about Midnight Suns. Midnight Suns also had this too, like including kind of like characters that typically don't get a ton of play in the mainstream. You know, I think of, like nico minoru was in midnight sun's blade.
Speaker 2:Um, who I think will eventually make his way into marvel rivals, um, especially, you know, season one being dracula. Um, as like the villain. So I'm curious, I'm curious. I guess the one thing I'm curious about um are these overarching villains. Um, obviously doom, you know, was kind of prevalent, like he's kind of like prevalent dracula.
Speaker 2:Um, noel has been mentioned, like in the lore specifically. So I'm curious if they're going to add like a player versus computer element and add these big, big bad characters as, like you know, ai super bosses that, like you can team up with other players to like fight right. Um, I do think there's probably going to be an element of that. You know, when you talk about dracula, doom, null, like, these characters are like looming in the like the lore, so I'm curious how they're going to be incorporated. Um, you know later on, but so far, yeah, I'm just super impressed, super excited to dive into season one um and get my hands on the fantastic four. Um, they already showed off um the skins um for fantastic four, for reed and sue. They're gonna do their evil versions. Um, so reed richards is getting a maker skin.
Speaker 2:That's and that's so sick, invisible woman is getting a malice skin? Um, and then that's the other thing too is, like you know, they put a lot of attention into like just giving people what they want, which a lot of you know, these developers who do these what's the word I'm looking for? You know these ongoing games. Basically, a lot of the times, the developers either don't give people what they're asking for or they give it what they're asking for and they put it behind like an absurd paint wall.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, so like, like it's cool that, like they're like, hey, here's the maker. Like, yeah, you want to spend 10 bucks and get the skin and the animations for it. Like good, like that should be just available to people. I think it's. I think it's great. Um, it's, it's, it's the lesson that everyone was failing to learn from fortnite, for some reason. Um, because this is how fortnite is going on, as long as it has, like, the game mode is there, everything is there for you. You don't have to pay for anything game related. We'll do a collaboration with freaking halo. If you want a master chief skin, like go ahead and buy it, but like you're not missing out on anything like otherwise, right, um, super cool, super excited to see where that game goes in the future.
Speaker 2:Um, speaking of games, sony had a kind of presentation of sorts over the weekend. Um, and they, they dropped some, drop some stuff on us, um, which a lot of it was not even game related. It was like we're adapting our games into different things. First and foremost, ghost of Tsushima. Obviously has the live-action movie directed by Chaz Sahelsky coming, but also a Ghost of Tsushima anime yeah, that was sick Coming out spearheaded by the team that directed and created the episode of Star Wars Visions, the Duel. And yeah, I think that's a great avenue, for Ghost of Tsushima is an anime-style thing.
Speaker 1:What it does is. It also litigates your sort of more spiritual and your kind of more fantastical elements. That was in the first Ghost of Tsushima as well.
Speaker 1:So if you want to dip into the Legends lore, you can dip into it a little bit more, which Jin kind of. He kind of goes through it like anytime he gets, like you know, a new upgrade, things like that. You can do that in an anime and I don't think anybody would bat an eye. It's going to be tougher to do that in live action. You've got to kind of stick super close to of the first game if you're going to do that. But in anime you can go as crazy as you want. I'm looking forward to that. I just think it's the animation style for anime. It's going to go insane.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely, I think you're spot on too. I think they are going to dive into the more fantastical elements of the show, which would be, I think, that's pretty great. And then, obviously, the movie is going to be stellar. Um, but what Chad Skowalski is is capable of, and obviously with John Wick, we've seen, you know how he how he rolls, which we're going to talk about later, actually, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, other things they announced. So they announced a movie adaptation of Horizon Zero Dawn. This is in kind of conjunction with the Netflix series that will be also coming. Columbia Pictures will be doing it. Columbia Pictures also did the Uncharted movie. I'm imagining this is just going to be a straight adaptation of the game of horizon zero dawn. Um, which you know I've talked about before. Is is an incredible game. Um, you know, this is the type of thing, though, that you have to make it look good. Yeah, um, being a post-apocalyptic set in the future. Um, you know, you just have to. You have to get the look right. You can't have the machines looking cheesy, oh Lord yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I'm excited. I think it's going to be cool. I think the lore of that game and the world of that game is super interesting. The game's both sold really well and that's that's also pretty great um for horizon. And then the surprise one, I think, is hell divers getting a live action movie. Um, this is the one I'm probably least, you know, least excited for, most skeptical of um. Hell divers is really filled kind of like a niche. Um, you know, late last year or yeah, late last year, kind of like caught fire a little bit and I don't know, I don't know how this world works as a movie. It kind of makes me think of what would they do if they made a Call of Duty movie, the same type of deal.
Speaker 1:You're probably going to have to. This isn't going to sound directly correlated, but you're probably going to have to. This isn't going to sound directly correlated, but you're probably going to have to take a mortal. This is the way you do the Mortal Kombat approach. It's funny that we were talking about it before we hopped on. You have to get a central character. Obviously, you're going to make a movie. You've got to get a central character. This is the time where you get a charismatic actor too, to time where you get a charismatic actor too to lead this. Sure, but I don't know what the like. I don't know if this is gonna be like the bad half of the of the gaming genre for movies and tv, or I don't know if this is gonna be the good half. So I want to know some more personnel that's behind the scenes on this movie and then I'll start to kind of give an opinion. Yeah, right now I'm kind of at a state of indifference yeah, I think that's where I'm at too.
Speaker 2:I'm like all right, you know, I don't know enough yet I don't know enough, and I just you know, you, just you know. Obviously everything is like money driven right and it's like how much money are you pumping into a hell divers movie, like how much you, you know? It makes me think of like classic executives out of touch you know, type.
Speaker 2:That's what this feels like to me. You know we talked last week about how the one you know, one of the higher ups at sony, was like shocked that the sony spider-man universe didn't work out. They're like we think these movies are actually really good, like no, they're not. Like if that's, if that's your thought process, then like you're doomed. Like if you think what you're pumping out is like good, then like you're doomed. Don't be tone deaf, right?
Speaker 1:yeah, that's what I'm thinking, like, I feel like good then like you're doomed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, don't be tone deaf, right, yeah, and that's what I'm thinking Like. I feel like a Sony executive looked at like kind of like the firestorm that Helldivers 2 caught late last year and were like let's just make a movie and like slow your roll, like the movie caught on, or whatever their Super Earth is called and all that stuff, but at the end of the day it's just a shooter with no meat and bones Again. I made the joke I was playing Astro Bot again because they did the new levels and the new bots they had with our Helldivers characters. I'm like, ah, it's my favorite character, john Helldivers. I don't know, man, how am I going to care?
Speaker 1:about a Helldivers movie. Right, you put Chris Pratt in it.
Speaker 2:Eh, but the thing that I do care about that they showed off here was the official trailer for Last of Us, season 2. We got a release date of April and, yeah, um, you know, I think I think they're going to do a nice job with um Abby, just based off the trailer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, would you? There's your fears, there's your, there's your consummate fears. And then this season is the definition of those who know and those who don't know. That's what a big part of this is going to be, because you know, obviously you're going to find your criticisms online, of you know of of the season, of the content of the season of bella ramsey, sadly, because of and it's unfortunate, because I don't care if she's older, ellie, younger ellie, she's phenomenal either way.
Speaker 1:Um, what I think you run into the season is you know when, like, there's certain things that are going to happen, there's a big that happens and it's do you attack it? I mean, we kind of gave our theories on how we think we're going to go. I can't remember what yours was, I know mine was. I think they're going to tell this story nonlinearly and they're going to kind of jump back and forth and then they're going to get to the point at the end of the season, the big thing. But you're not gonna know what's happening between the both of those sides for it too.
Speaker 1:And also, I don't know why we keep doubting craig mazen, like I don't know why. That's a thing that always consistently didn't neil druckman and craig mazen. I don't know why we we keep doing it like we keep being, we keep saying these and I'm like, do you not know who? But both their bodies of works are like I think we're just gonna to be a-okay. So I mean, it visually looks phenomenal. I mean this is some absolute next level. And you know, it took that jump. It took that massive jump because you know, once your show is good and it's successful, they're going to give you some more money.
Speaker 1:And this is one of HBO's biggest shows now yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think you know, my kind of thought process going into this season was I think they're going to do and this trailer was very Abby focused and I think that's going to be again.
Speaker 2:I think that's going to be kind of like the delineation between how the game presented part two to us and how the show is going to part two to us.
Speaker 2:I think they're going to do a lot of Abby character work. I think they're going to spend a lot of time with her, like her side of the story, abby character work. I think they're gonna spend a lot of time with her, um, like her side of the story, um, whereas the game, you know, kind of did it backwards where the big thing happens and then we kind of spend a lot of time with ellie and then we kind of go backwards and we do kind of abby's backstory and I think that's, you know, for the legitimate criticisms of the game, I should say I think you know I I appreciate and I understand what they were doing, doing the story that way, but I think for a TV audience again, I think you've got to make Abby a sympathetic, almost quasi-protagonist before you do the big thing and you kind of get the audience on her side before you kind of pull the rug out from under us. Well, I mean, the trailer was kind of get the audience on her side before you kind of pull the rug out from under us.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, the trailer was kind of structured that way. And again, this is like I don't want to talk about anything, but for those who know, no, I think that was the point of leading the trailer off of this.
Speaker 1:Exactly you know this woman who's here and that's just. You know that's suffered to some extent. We just don't know what the suffering is. If you can really lean on that and this is what this universe backs you up for, the universe itself is going to lend to that as well. I mean, you went through henry and sam. You went with ellie's encounter with david. I mean you've seen these different people. You went through um, through bill and frank. Like this universe does a good job of making sure that everybody feels like they mean something to this. Yep, so if you do that, and then some for abby, you're what, by the time you get to the, to the catharsis of season two, it should play and, like I, just, people aren't going to be happy just because of the source they're not going to be happy like this is and people are not going to be happy because it's two women leading this.
Speaker 1:People are not going to be happy because you know of what happens. So you already are fighting an uphill battle but how you can kind of save it is. It looks phenomenal. I mean, you have your subplots are usually what lead. I mean, the first two episodes of season one did a good job of having those, like you know, those anthology pieces in the beginning to kind of round out, like if you can rely on that, but you can still keep that emotional core, you'll'll be just fine. Like people will hate, no matter what. That's just what the Last of Us 2 and the Last of Us Season 2 is probably going to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I mean you know we got just a quick glimpse in the trailer, but I'm very excited for the Isaac stuff.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, the Seraphite stuff, the Isaac stuff, the WLF Like I said if they dive into that.
Speaker 2:You know, I said when we, when we finally got the, the confirmation that Jeffrey Wright was coming back, um, to reprise his role as Isaac. Like I, I don't want it to be like a one-off.
Speaker 1:No, you don't just bring Jeffrey Wright in and just let him be like it's.
Speaker 2:he's going to be somebody, and and I and that can really help with the Abby stuff too, If they kind of build him up as an antagonistic figure in her story.
Speaker 1:It recontextualizes her father as well too. It really makes him somebody that can be like you know, somebody that was super. I mean what he does. It's like super important to Isaac as well too, and, like I said, I hope for Abby's father. They get the most I keep thinking about it and the more like imagine you bring paul rudden for something like that, yeah, and like he's like a jokey kind of like all dad, like all american dad that everybody loves and all the people they love, like yeah and then the thing like you're gonna be like no, absolutely not yeah, that's what I, that's what I, that's what I, that's what I think like, that's what I think again to to build up the sympathy for Abby.
Speaker 2:I think you start the season with her, with her father, they're doing their bonding and then again, like the rug gets pulled out and you're like oh, and then you find out you're like, oh, and then you just go from there and I mean it's going to leave a lot of people who are paying attention, It'll leave them conflicted, but I think that's the point.
Speaker 1:I've been ranting about this for years now. That's the point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you don't get that from the game really until later.
Speaker 1:And that's what I don't think you're going to get until Season 3, because that's the Santa Barbara stuff we haven't seen. That's like the one part from the second game we haven't seen, because I think that's what all of Season 3 is going to be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So I'm super excited. April, I mean, we'll talk about, you know. Obviously we'll talk more about this, you know, during the course of the episode, because the Last of Us is definitely one of those touchstone shows for this year. So, that being said, that's pretty much up for the news this week. Um, yeah, 2025 is here. Um, it's in full force and we're just gonna kind of talk about things that we're looking forward to, things that we're excited for. Um, obviously, you probably already know what some of those things are, because we've just been talking about them, you know, this season, but, um, or this year, it's another season, 2025, new season of world tv, um, as it were. So, yeah, let's just dive right in. Um, do you kind of want to just I don't know how you want to do this you wanted to go like month by month. Do you want to just kind of freestyle a little?
Speaker 1:bit. Yeah, we can freestyle a little bit. I mean we can talk about maybe some non-franchise cause we can end off with all the franchise stuff. And I mean like we could just talk movies for a little bit and I mean, you know, just rattling off a few. And, like I talked about, there's some big directors coming out with movies and it's the, it's the thought process that these they're not your Scorseses or your Tarantinos or your Nolans, but I'm talking about some otherworldly directors that are ready to say something.
Speaker 1:I mean Bong Joon-ho with Mickey 17,. That's something that, right off the bat you're talking about this can be a best picture contender, but also it might be one of the most fun innovative dark comedy movies of the year. I'm looking forward to it. I mean Bong Joon-ho is really dark comedy movies of the year. Like I'm looking forward to it. I mean bong joon-ho is really so plain, like you know, just planted the you know stake in the ground, like I am one of the greatest that's living on the planet.
Speaker 1:And I mean robert pattinson's career. I mean to the point where sebastian stands, like I want to model my career after him, like and I think people are trying to know and I've been. I've been, you know, banging the drum for years about Robert Pattinson you have yeah, he is the one I tried to tell everybody. You want to talk about the character actors. He's one of the best character actors on the planet, so I'm looking forward to this. He's playing a whole bunch of different versions of himself. It's going to be bombastic, it's going to be insane, it's going to be really raunchy it's all the things you want. It's. It's gonna be like really raunchy. It's gonna it's all the things you want. It's gonna be large scale, which I appreciate. The budget for that movie looks like they definitely gave him some money, and why wouldn't you? I mean, he had one of the best movies of all time in 2019 with Parasite.
Speaker 2:You want to give the guy some money to play, so yeah, and I think you know we talked about it when we talked about you know, this movie, um, but it got announced, um, this is kind of like the for a director.
Speaker 2:I think this is kind of like the trajectory you want following an oscar, in the sense that, like the oscar he obviously earned the oscar, of course, for for parasite, but like the oscar also kind of made him this household name, um, I think that's one of the great things that the oscars can do. When one of these, you know not, you know it's not a big parasite, it's not like a big blockbuster film, right, so it won the Oscar for best picture, I think that got a lot of people who never saw it to see it and kind of made him this kind of household name, which is really cool for him, you know, not being an American director either and to get Robert Pattinson and Steven Yeun for his next movie. I think it's pointing the trajectory upward for Bong Joon-ho, which I think is really cool, and I'm looking forward, definitely, definitely looking forward to that coming up in March, I believe.
Speaker 1:If you want to transition to another director kind of going along that train it's Ryan Coogler with Sinners. I mean you want to talk about. A trailer comes out. They're using the imax cameras. They're shooting it on film, if I know. I don't think they're shooting it on film but, I mean, they got that filmic.
Speaker 1:Look, that classic. Look to it as well too. And I mean ryan coogler's in a. He's in a fun place in his career right now, because ryan coogler is just 40, or he's not 40 yet, or he's not 40 yet, or he's just 40.
Speaker 2:Not even yeah.
Speaker 1:He's like 38. And you see, all these actors and directors, like I mean he had Ryan Coogler has his podcast and Jordan Peele's on there and I mean you know everybody's reverence for Jordan Peele these days and you know to see all these actors and Denzel Washington publicly say it, and Angela Bassett say it, and Jordan Peele, like everybody there, they know, like they know how good he is and how good he will be by the end of his career, like the I'm talking an absolute all time run that Ryan Coogler will have. And you know what Ryan Coogler has. He has like trust. He has the trust of so many people and why shouldn't he? Why shouldn't he? I mean he stepped.
Speaker 1:I watched Black Panther the other day too, and you know you're stepping in and it was the jump because he had Rachel Morrison, too, on his podcast as well, which was awesome, because you know they go from Fruitvale to Creed to Black Panther. You want to talk about three massive steps upon a massive step. It's insane. So I mean Sinners, I mean it looks, I mean it visually looks phenomenal, but I mean the story could be absolutely insane. I mean I think he definitely pulled a few elements and you know a few things from Jordan Peele as well, too, in terms of dipping into the horror genre, which he's never done before too.
Speaker 1:But I mean that movie has potential. I think it's going to be one of those like it's not going to be a cult classic, because cult classic doesn't necessarily mean a good movie but it's going to be the step above that where it's going to be a movie. When it comes out, I think everybody's going to go see it, everybody's going to go talk about it. It's going to make money, which is awesome, and it's an original idea. That's my favorite thing about it. Hopefully, by the beginning of next year, that's going to be in the breath for best original screenplay as well, too, so I have high hopes for it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he. When he and Michael B Jordan team up, he always seems to get the best out of.
Speaker 1:Michael B Jordan and, like I said, my point for Michael B Jordan I always make is Michael B Jordan gets his acting chops in his physicality. That's the best part of Michael B Jordan is the way he can physically move through a space or command a space or command attention. You want to get into the specifics and the definitions of acting, go ahead, but physical-wise, that's where Michael b jordan really makes a state claim. So, yeah, I'm really, I'm really looking forward to this. I mean, delroy lindo in this movie, hayley steinfeld like this cast is also insane. So, you know, I I just I remember when that first trailer came out and I was like, oh, there's something spent. Like this is this might be something absolutely special. Like this might be special.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, going down the director list. Um, edgar Wright's back with the running man, with Glenn Powell. So it's a great piece, like to put Glenn Powell in this world where, like Edgar Wright hopefully and I hope in the in the 2020s and you know beyond like Edgar Wright gets right back Cause Edgar Wright. Also, it sucked because Edgar Wright made Baby Driver, which is one of my favorite movies, but then everybody in the movie seemed to not be the greatest people, so it has a little bit of a niche around it, but I'm so glad he's back. I'm glad he's back with Glenn Powell. Glenn Powell's versatility is really something to be like, because I was thinking about it you can put Glenn Powell in an Oscar-leading movie or you can put Glennenn powell in the funniest like comedy and he still plays.
Speaker 1:Either way. He's good. He's good all across the board. So really, looking forward to that, and I mean just a few more on the non-franchise side, um, marty supreme. So timothy chalamet like somebody made a good point the other day too, of like timothy chalamet's career structure before turning 30. Like this is your body of work, but it's insane. Like you are this generation's leo. Like yeah, you have your big franchise, you have, you have your big franchise. You have your indie movies. You have your oscar nominations. You have your biopics, like you want to talk about. Like you have wanka, you have wanka. Like you have your musical. Like funny enough, you have your musical.
Speaker 1:Like you talk about a structure for a career. Like some people would die to have that career for their whole life. He has that before he's 30 years old. So, uh, you know he's going to get an Oscar in his lifetime. Like there's no shot. He doesn't get an Oscar in his lifetime. I hope that part of Leo doesn't stick true for him, that he has to wait until his late forties to get an Oscar. But you know, it's absolutely phenomenal, and I mean just getting the Safdies back together for this as well too, is amazing, and A24 produced, which is awesome. So last two I want to talk about is, 28 Years Later coming back as well too. That just it's going to be amazing, like I think again that's going to be when people step into the theaters and they're like we're so back, like that's going to be one of the biggest we're still back moments for this year as well too. So I'm really looking forward to that.
Speaker 1:And my last one I want to talk about is actually F1, just because to get Joseph Kaczynski back, get Brad Pitt and get to get Brad Pitt back as well too. It's going to. You know, your fear is the one trick pony, and the story of top gun is so simple and so effective, so to kind of pivot. But you know that's what, that's what life is, that's what directing is. You have to move on. You have to move on, become innovative, but take, take what you know and take what you learn too. So I'm I I remember that first mention of the next thing, that joe kaczynski was going to do. It it's all practical. You know, desmond Idris is in this movie as well too, and just the guy that oozes charisma with every step he takes as well too, like we could see potentially again something that's super special, and you know, a bunch of these are coming out in the summer as well, too. So that's why I said this summer is loaded. This summer is absolutely loaded with content. So yeah.
Speaker 1:Um, and then to the franchise films.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, um, I mean we can just start with the captain America.
Speaker 1:I am afraid.
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, I mean, I don't, I still don't know, and that's kind of scary for a month a movie that comes out in four weeks, my, the I mean my, my a movie that comes out in four weeks.
Speaker 1:My, the, I mean my, my biggest fear is that this movie was ripped to shreds, like absolutely ripped to shreds. I have there's three fears I have One is that that they, they took this movie and they put it into an absolute blender and I know there was real world, you know real world implications that did it to the movie as well too. Obviously, the well too. Um, obviously, the reshoots also had the balloon, this as well too. So this budget is insane and I I talk about that all the time that like the I don't know why I was last or from 2023, but the big eye opener for me was indiana jones, like that movie costing that much. And then, yeah, dune coming out subsequently later and that and dune costing 190 versus 330, and like you look at the two and you're like there's no shot, like there's no shot, these movies.
Speaker 1:But I'm, I'm vehemently afraid for the plot of this movie, like this plot can be, like I'm talking as brittle, as a cracker, like this plot could break easily. Yeah, um, that was. Number two is like plot wise, story wise, narrative wise. Like I don't know what this is like. I genuinely do not know how, and I thought about you, about you know what I thought about. I thought about Ant-Man Quantumania, because I remember we had like a general idea but we still didn't know the details, and then, like when you're watching it, you're like this means nothing to anything.
Speaker 1:Like this and ultimately it really didn't mean anything, because I mean obviously outside circumstances, but like Kang just is gone, but like even if you, you know, re replace him into the universe like that Kang didn't mean anything, that Kang just was killed, so it didn't matter. So, um, and then three, is the Anthony Mackie in the room. Like I, my biggest fear, truthfully, is like that. They looked at this and they were like, well, we need to do this and throw this in there and do this. And now we have Harrison Ford and, you know, maybe Mark Ruffalo comes back, or when we got the lead, and I'm like, wait a minute, isn't this an Anthony Mackie Captain America movie? Shouldn't you keep it at an Anthony Mackie Captain America movie? Because I think the whole sell of like hey, let's do the, let's do the espionage thriller of Captain America 2. That America 2, that's gone. I think it's, that's gone. I don't believe that for one second.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, me either. And I think you know one of the things that kind of perked my ears up was you know, I think it was the first trailer where I think I said it when the trailer came out like we shouldn't still be litigating the he's Not Steve Rogers plot point, because Falcon and the Winter Soldier did that exactly like he should have.
Speaker 1:We should just be past that and it should just be he's captain america now and he's doing captain america things and then you also add the plot thread in the trailer to be like I want you to be captain america, and then you go right back on that statement in the same trailer. That doesn't make any sense. You already did that heavy lifting and help falcon, and that's heavy lifting to do. You already dealt with it. Why are we still worried about this?
Speaker 2:yeah, we shouldn't, we shouldn't still be litigating that right. Um, you know, and I think, I mean I do think there are some interesting elements in this movie I just I just I'm just worried about how they're all gonna tie together yeah, I think ultimately right and this movie does it.
Speaker 1:Visually does not look great and I'm very concerned about that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean there's a disparity. I think some of it looks really really cool yeah, yeah. I think a lot of the flying stuff looks really cool. Yeah, yeah, it could be good, but yeah, I mean that big. I think the thing that I'm focused on is that big cherry blossom fight sequence.
Speaker 1:Because which one's the third act of the movie.
Speaker 2:Is it them going to team it or is it that, like I, mean I hope it's not that, because then they're, they, they're giving away a lot, but the and then you know, I'm just I mean, I just I'm just curious. I'm curious if they have been able to withhold a lot of third act stuff. Like I do wonder if this is like you know, they put Red Hulk and Captain America against each other and then you find out like it's actually the leader is like kind of I'm assuming that's probably what it's going to be, which would be neat if that Red Hulk stuff is like first, second act stuff and then they've been withholding the real villain for the end of the movie.
Speaker 2:I think that could kind of save it a little bit, um, and I mean, we'll see, right, we'll see what happens, um.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I'm like you, I'm kind of um a little nervous you know what I'm not nervous for from the marvel side on movies this year it's the thunderbolts.
Speaker 1:Yes, I am not nervous for that, and I mean it's even going further, because even Sebastian Sand said a few days ago like we did most of this as practical as we can get it, and you can just see it. That trailer's graded. That trailer looks real, I care. I somehow now care about characters I never thought I'd even see again in some of these movies as well too. So that's just a perfect example of like and it's something that I said and I'm going to talk about it too when we get to fantastic four, because we still don't know a lot about that, but we still know a decent amount to kind of gauge you, you're making films still. At the end of the day, you're still making films. And like I look at captain america and I look at the thunderbolts and I'm like one of these is a film and the other one is like a machine thing to be put out yeah, well, this is it right, this is.
Speaker 2:This is when marvel is humming on all cylinders. This is, this is the type of movie that they can pump out right, or you know, based on how it looks, it feels very phase one, phase two ish and like the best parts of phase one, phase two yeah, it's the, it's the.
Speaker 2:It's the perfect kind of mixture of of why this universe has endured as long as it has. Like it's very, it feels obvious. It's. It feels like kind of like guardians of the galaxy on steroids, in the sense that like guardians of the galaxy was this ensemble of characters that we did not know, and then, conversely, thunderbolts is going to be an ensemble of characters we do know and they just kind of plucked.
Speaker 2:You know one here, one here one here and like you know, kind of like, kind of like the ideal marvel movie, like let's just take all these characters, pluck them from wherever we found them right in the marvel cinematic universe and smash them together and see what happens. And, most importantly, you know one, what I love about this movie so far is they were able to centralize it around one character, which is what you need in an ensemble movie like this. You need a point of view character and in this case, it's going to be Yelena Belova which is perfect.
Speaker 1:Give me Florence Pugh that just knows how to command any movie that she's in Like that's the perfect one to shoot Cause you could have went Bucky, you could have went John Walker if you wanted to, you could have went Alexi, but it's the best choice by far. Best choice by far.
Speaker 2:Yep, it's her movie and all these other kind of supporting characters. I'm excited to see what they do with Lewis Pullman. Yeah, I think that's good stuff it's got this 2000s grunge to it too, yeah.
Speaker 1:A century, I think that's good stuff. It's got like this 2000s grunge to it too, yeah, but like that's direction, like I feel definitive direction out of this movie that I don't feel out of Captain America, and I mean you want to go definitive direction to the last Marvel movie release of this year. And I mean, from what we've seen from the leaked Comic-Con trailers, from the cast interviews, from what this movie could be about, from the inspiration for this movie, like this is the most non-feeling marvel movie and I think that's the most on purpose and I think I think something special is afoot in july. I think we have something special on our hands. I mean, this cast is he's talking about fantastic four by the way about fantastic four.
Speaker 1:I'm talking about. I'm talking about the minecraft movie. I'm talking about fantastic four first steps. And I mean I think shackman is taking everything he learned from wandavision and he's just on steroids. And I remember when the first report came out, that they were testing the film cameras and I said they were testing the panavision cameras. I said wait what? I said, wait a minute. And then that leaked trailer came out and I said oh, they, they might, they might get it.
Speaker 1:Like it prompted me to go, cause I have the, I have the omnibus of the first, the first fantastic four comics, and I was like I like immediately want to pick it up. And I was like that's such a good feeling from watching something. You're like I need to feel that same feel. So I mean, pedro Pascal is Reed Richards is just an inspired choice. It was the best way we explained it.
Speaker 1:We were just like they probably were like we couldn't get Pedro Pascal Right and they were like, wait, could we get Pedro Pascal? And they were like wait, let's just get Pedro Pascal. Like get the guy that's the most famous guy on the planet as an actor to be, you know, the person that's going to be one of the pillars of the new half of your universe. Vanessa Kirby is also an inspired choice for Sue Joseph Quinn like you want to talk about, like catching lightning in a bottle for Stranger Things Like you just got to capture, and he's a versatile actor. I don't think that's what people realize. Like they pigeonhole him for being what's his name in Stranger Things Eddie Eddie in Stranger Things, eddie Eddie in Stranger Things and then it's like he can't do anything else. I was like you guys loved him more than anything when that show was coming out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know, to his credit he is between Stranger Things and this. He's put together a pair of really good performances in A Quiet Place, day One and Gladiator. Two very different performances but two very good performances. Um, so I think I think people were concerned when he got cast, but now that they've seen him since and subsequent things, they're a little more okay and I was me, I was, I was very concerned when he was cast.
Speaker 1:But then, and it was the same thing, because my biggest two question marks were that and, funny enough, it was pedro pascal or my first two question marks, and then they had that. First it was when he was cast, but then, and it was the same thing, because my biggest two question marks were that and, funny enough, it was pedro pascal or my first two question marks, and then they had that. First it was when he was walking the corner in that leaked trailer and he goes like family dinner every sunday, when I was like, oh, yeah, that's. I was like I was like, yeah, and he was just like, who wants to see? Who wants to see a big explosion? I was like, yeah, that they, they did it. Um, and then obviously, the one I, funnily enough, was most excited for out of the castings, it's Evan Moss.
Speaker 1:Bachrock is, as the thing, like just a genius stroke of casting. Yeah, like that might be one of the best castings in the MCU to date. That. And Vanessa Kirby as Sue Storm, like you're talking about phenomenal but Fantastic, it's been saying again. And then also Ralph Ineson yes, it's just, but again, great movies have feel to them and great movies make you feel something Like the preliminary needs to be. There's a feel, there's a definitive feel, like they have that Apollo 18, that retrofuturism, that 60s inspired, like it's all working in favor and when that first trailer comes out.
Speaker 2:Super Bowl Sunday. Super Bowl Sunday Probably in favor, and when that first trailer comes out.
Speaker 1:Super Bowl Sunday probably. So we're about a month out from that trailer, a little over under a month. I can't remember what day the Super Bowl is on, but that first trailer is going to. That's going to be the big one. It's going to be the big one from the Super Bowl and if they're able to pull off Galactus in a.
Speaker 2:I think the best MCU comp for the visuals of Galactus is how they present an airship in the. Eternals when he shows up at the end of Eternals and you're like whoa, that looks like a real giant being dwarfing the Earth, mm-hmm, like, if they're able to present Galactus in like a similar fashion, it could be a spectacle Yep, yep.
Speaker 1:And he's going to mean something to us as well too, when you're like whoa, and then Ralph Innocent's voice behind that as well too. Yes, Phenomenal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah and and it's yeah, I like just that. I wonder. I do wonder if, like in the trailer, they're going to just show Galactus and be like this is, this is what this movie is look like.
Speaker 2:Looks like like scale and spectacle wise and you're just going to be like I can't like. The trailer should make you want, in the same way of, like you know, similar, like almost like Godzilla, in a way like like a Godzilla movie, godzilla movie or even an Oppenheimer movie, where you need to be motivated to see it in a theater.
Speaker 1:It's the anticipation of the bang, it's the anticipation of Galactus, if you see.
Speaker 2:Galactus, you're watching the Super Bowl at home and you're like Galactus, I have to see this on the biggest screen possible. I think that's the type of feeling you want to try and capture.
Speaker 1:In accompaniment to that point too. Like this movie feels very like in the thunderbolts way, but different, like just from the leak stuff. Like I know they obviously didn't add a lot of cgi and even matt shackman said like we didn't do a bunch of that stuff yet, like we just were doing kind of feel vibe. Like from that perspective, like it looks very good, like it looks very good, like that found footage almost too, and like I know the rumors that perspective, like it looks very good, like it looks very good, like that found footage almost too, and like I know the rumors that are that, like you know, franklin and Valeria are going to be parts of these, of this movie as well too. Like I've heard the rumors that like it's going to be like a found footage of, like you know, their first, you know when they got changed, like the day they got changed, like all those things leading up to it as well too. But like visually this movie just looks good.
Speaker 1:It looks, it looks very and obviously we're watching this on somebody's phone and yeah and hall h but um, from what we've seen it looks good and I mean, uh, just a rapid fire couple before we finish off the franchise, because obviously we know what we're going to finish off the franchise. Part of the movies for um karate kid legends had no business looking that visually good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we talked about that last I was so intrigued in that, like I'm gonna say something controversial and mean, but like watching that and then seeing, uh, ralph macchio and that, I'm like I love cobra kai, but I'm like I can just go straight to legends. I can go to the all the karate kin movies to the james smith karate kid right to legends, and I'd be good um Ballerina. The John Wick extended universe continues to grow. Great choice to get Andarmus. That's absolutely phenomenal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's becoming that kind of actor.
Speaker 1:Rumored to be in the next Avengers movie as well, too Rumored Relax.
Speaker 2:Joe Rumored.
Speaker 1:It's a rumor.
Speaker 2:Jurassic World Rebirth. I was just going to say Jurassic World Rebirth.
Speaker 1:With our channel favorite, Gareth Edwards Low.
Speaker 2:Budget King. Low Budget King. He made this movie with a GoPro, yeah.
Speaker 1:He actually traveled to the Jurassic era. He built his own time machine and got found footage from that.
Speaker 2:He built a dinosaur out of cardboard Yep, and it's the most realistic dinosaur you've ever seen. Yep, scarlett's the most realistic dinosaur you've ever seen. Yep, scarlett Johansson, oh yeah, or.
Speaker 1:Harshala Ali Yep. Is he going to play the same character he played in Alita? Because that would be hilarious.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I'm looking forward to this Jurassic Park movie or Jurassic World movie, sorry.
Speaker 1:Avatar 2. Or Avatar 3, excuse me, fire and ash that's coming out this year december of this year.
Speaker 2:So he says um yeah, I mean, you know, you know how we, you know how we both feel about avatar. He's gonna cook, he's gonna. He's literally gonna cook yeah, we're gonna, I'm gonna, and you know, by the time december rolls around and everyone's gonna say the same thing that they said for the last two movies, like who's watching these? And then it's everybody a billion dollars again yeah, it's gonna make two billion dollars and be like see, everybody's watching when we want to see the.
Speaker 2:When we went the opening night to see it, I was like whoa, this theater is packed yeah people yeah, people love people love, people love avatar and the second one had an incredible story yeah great performances, yeah, and steven lang's enemy and then again. Yeah, as long as steven I'm telling. And the second one had an incredible story yeah, great performances. Yeah, and Stephen Lang's the enemy in it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, as long as Stephen, I'm telling you. Here's what you do, y'all. If James, if you're listening and need help to make another $2 million, you team Stephen Lang up with you, team Kordich up with Sully against Natiri, yeah, that'd be sick, that would go insane.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're going to go back to.
Speaker 1:Earth. Yeah, bring the avatars to Earth. That's the next logical step what's?
Speaker 2:the avatars in Atlanta, georgia. The fire Navi are in this one. Yeah, they're red, they're red.
Speaker 1:This movie's going to go insane. Yes, tron Ares, yeah.
Speaker 2:Jared Leto. Jared Leto, I love.
Speaker 1:Tron Legacy with a burning passion. Obviously, you guys know we have to end on Superman for this part.
Speaker 2:Before we get to Superman. What else we got? You got anything else? Mortal Kombat.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Mortal Kombat comes out.
Speaker 2:Mortal.
Speaker 1:Kombat 2. Snow White comes out. Yep, people don't like Rachel Zegler for some reason. I think she's always phenomenal, in whatever she does.
Speaker 2:She's great in everything. And there's another actor in this movie that you can justifiably not like. Sure, Sure Kal-El, no Dude, Talk about like all time Bad fumble. What happened to this person? I guess it was like I guess she should never act. No, and just like the first Wonder Woman movie, you were just like.
Speaker 1:Well, because Patty Jenkins was cooking in that movie and she was masking it, and also Chris Pine was also helping mask that too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then Wonder Woman 84 came out and you're like oh, no, oh wait.
Speaker 1:Not even Pedro Pascal can save this movie. No, she can't act.
Speaker 2:You need to give me the stone. No, and like I don't know.
Speaker 1:Casting her as the evil queen in snow white just feels yeah it's tone deaf.
Speaker 2:It's, it's tone deaf.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's weird, like she's just not so many phenomenal actors that you could have went with she's just not now.
Speaker 2:You see me three coming out. Yeah, I saw that I was sick. Look, I like the first.
Speaker 1:I like the first one, a lot, one is amazing I like the first one a lot.
Speaker 2:second one's still good. Second one's pretty good too. Second one's pretty good. They got Daniel Radcliffe in there, which is fun because he's a magician and he's evil, evil magician. He's back for this one, yep.
Speaker 1:I think they're going to Frat Superiorist it and just make him good. Well, they got everyone back for this one, which is insane Because Isla.
Speaker 2:Fisher was not in the second one, and now she's back. I love Jesse Eisenberg's character in these movies as just a pompous dick, which I think is Jesse Eisenberg's bag.
Speaker 1:Even though he's like a pleasant guy If you listen to any interviews he does, he's like a nice, like he's doing a lot of writing. Obviously, he just made a real pain with just getting a lot of Oscar buzz as well too. So good on him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but he just plays pompous dick very well. When you think about Social Network, when you think about you know the first Now you See Me movie, I wish retroactively that's kind of how they would have played him in Batman v Superman, instead of like wacky zany guy. Just make him a dickhead. They made him Elon Musk in Batman vs Superman.
Speaker 1:yeah, just make him a stoic dickhead and that's exactly what it looks like Nicholas Holt's gonna do yeah, that's what Jesse Eisenberg should have done.
Speaker 2:Um Wicked is getting a sequel?
Speaker 1:yeah, wicked 2 which is kinda crazy. Yeah, the turnaround is insane. That's pretty quick, unless they shot back-to-back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just quick. I feel like major franchises don't do this, where it's one in 2024 and then one literally the next year. So that's pretty good.
Speaker 1:If the second Wiccan movie is an assemblance of the good of the first one, then that's an insane run for two movies that come out in two years.
Speaker 2:Predator Badlands. Oh yes, that's right. Predator's never been so back. This movie centralizes a predator going to an alien wasteland. They've cracked it. They've cracked it with Predator. Take a predator, put him anywhere in time and just go Let him cook. Predator in a Western imagine.
Speaker 1:Predator in the future. Predator in the future Future.
Speaker 2:Predator. Predator in the Blade Runner universe, predator in Samurai Era, japan.
Speaker 1:That would be insane. Like just keep doing. Predator in Wakanda, the Predator in Wakanda, put the Predator in the Bronx.
Speaker 2:Oh no, we're approaching Friday the 13th. Jason goes to Manhattan levels of ridiculous.
Speaker 1:Remember when that one guy squared up against him.
Speaker 2:He shot to fade with Jason I got much respect for that guy.
Speaker 1:Much respect, much respect, much respect. Uh guys put him on the whiteboard uh mission impossible yeah, well, that was the big one that I wanted to hit on too yeah, mission impossible comes out this year, oh my god um the final reckoning he's just gonna give it to glenn powell after it, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, probably miles teller. Yeah, I was just about to say it to Glenn Powell after it. Right, yeah, probably Miles Taylor somewhere.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was just about to say Miles Taylor somewhere, just punching air.
Speaker 2:And then yeah, I mean Superman.
Speaker 1:I don't even have much to say. I think we've said everything we need to say. I mean this movie. You know what. I will say this I think Superman I will bold state claim it is the most important movie release of 2025. That is the single most important movie of 2025. And I'm not even talking no, I get what you're saying. I'm not even talking on like a superhero level, a franchise level. I'm talking on, like you know to be cheesy like the movie the world needs. Like this can truthfully be like the it's coming out middle of the summer, july 11th like fresh superman for everybody to love and new kids to hold on to. Like this could really be. Like the superman I mean I, that's the hope of like this is the superman. Like, and like, obviously, like james. Like there's a very good chance this movie can make a billion dollars. Like, if this, everything goes right, it tests well, it plays well. You know, this movie can very well be like the pillar of 2025, like the Superman of 2025 and beyond.
Speaker 2:So yeah, no, I agree. I think I think that framing is is very accurate. Um, it's important in a myriad of different ways. I think it's important for the superhero movie genre. I think you know Marvel needs kind of like a kick in the ass.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:From you know another kind of company, and obviously DC is the only one in position to do that. You know, I just had a thought um James Gunn's, an industry plant by Kevin Feige to to create some competition for himself.
Speaker 1:Well, I was talking about this with somebody. You can't Barbenheimer, fantastic foreign Superman, even though it would be phenomenal for like us, like for nerds it would be incredible, but like you can't, barbenheimer, that because of the competitive nature, like those movies are not two movies to be bounced off each other like oppenheimer and barbie warlike, these movies are too can, unfortunately, these movies are to compete with each other if the godzilla and kong, like they are, two apex predators against each other but it's going to help both of them.
Speaker 1:I have a feeling that fantastic four might get delayed into November.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I don't think so.
Speaker 1:I think they're going to go for it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think so. I think because James Gunn and Kevin Feige are friends. I think they're going to look at what happened with Barbie and Oppenheimer and be like we can't release them on the same day. No, we got to release them on the same day, but like if, if both of them are as good as we think they are which I think they are both incredible.
Speaker 2:It's just going to incur Cause, like at the end of the day, people can talk all they want about you know, being like a DC fan boy being a Marvel fan boy, but at person is going to be like I'm only seeing Superman and screw the Fantastic Four. No, if you like this stuff that much, you're going to see both of them. You're not going to get, You're going to get crossover. I think both of these movies will make a billion dollars.
Speaker 1:I think you think Fantastic Four is making a billion dollars. Yeah, I think Superman's going to run right into the way of that movie Because, like I said, superman as a figure supersedes the superhero genre. Like Superman as a figure will get like an extra like 300 million, 400 million onto that movie. Like I think the and again I know he wants the top gun run that it had, like where it's like this movie's just playing for weeks on end just playing and playing, and this movie will not. Like this movie's just playing for weeks on end, just playing and playing, and this movie will not stop. I genuinely think it's going to cut into the Fantastic Four a little bit, which is too. I genuinely think that Fantastic Four might, or Kevin Feige might be like take the November release date and just run with it into the holiday.
Speaker 2:Well, I think the problem with that is is, if he wants a prolonged run for November, I think he's going to run into Avatar and get crushed.
Speaker 1:I mean, unless they do the early November slot that Black Panther and the Eternals took, like if you do an early November slot, like what you can avoid, you can avoid Avatar because Avatar's going to take, avatar's going to take December into January. That's just how it's gonna go. If fantastic four can take no, like if it can take thanksgiving while everybody's home, a movie about a family while everybody's home, like you take away because superman, I'm telling you it's gonna run through everything. Especially, I'm telling you right now, if captain america doesn't work and like the word association with marvel goes on to that like superman might be able to run right through fantastic four yeah, I mean, I think I think we'll find out, because I think I think once the super bowl hits, I don't think they're moving off a release date if no, no, absolutely not if you get a super bowl trailer that says like july, whatever, 2025.
Speaker 2:That's what's happening like, I think. If they are modifying the release date, I think you'll find out in that trailer. You know, i't think they're going to launch a Super Bowl trailer with 15 million people watching the Super Bowl and then change the release date after the fact. No, no, whatever that release date is, assuming it's a Super Bowl trailer, I don't know why you wouldn't, if it's ready, put it on the Super Bowl. What did they do with before Marvel's done a Super Bowl trailer, before They've done a bunch of Super Bowl trailers? Yeah, so you know, I can't remember what, maybe it was Doctor Strange, I think, had a Super Bowl trailer. So, yeah, if they're going to do a Super Bowl trailer, I think, and the release date is July, whatever, it's going to stay there.
Speaker 1:And then it's July 25th because so you got two weeks. You got a two week gap, yeah, so I'm I'm really conflicted because but then to to completely upend my point you're talking about one of the biggest actors on the planet leading your movie. Like he's Pedro Pascal's leading this movie, like feel wise, if they can get the feel right, if that first trailer can hit. That's what I mean, because I don't think you're probably gonna wait until like march, april to do your. So here's the thing james gunn can look at the super ball and be like we're doing the first full trailer with dialogue and like with story beats, like in for the super bowl, like that would kind of be a smack to kevin feige, to be like dang dude, like I thought you were gonna let fantastic four have Super Bowl, and now you're like, nah, I think I'm good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just think with the timing, I think a lot of the. By the time Fantastic Four rolls around, everyone that saw Superman the first two weeks is just going to go see Fantastic Four. I think you're just going to get two blockbusters.
Speaker 1:You know, to that point I blockbusters. You know, to that point I think superman's money, while fantastic four is going to come out, is from the superman word association, from it just being superman I think your family is going to go like you're.
Speaker 2:You know the people that just I think superman, I think superman will make more money. I, I just think they're both going to make a billion dollars.
Speaker 1:Especially, you're going to get the classic marvel burst, you know of course, of course, because that's what marvel's, that's what they're the best at.
Speaker 2:And then I think they're gonna hit I think this movie's gonna be good enough that it gets a guardians of the galaxy like reaction okay, where they're like no, this movie's really good. And then you're gonna get the more kind of like casual movie goers to be like, let's, let me see this, let me check this fantastic board movie out, like if it's as good as what I'm hearing, and then that's going to carry it to probably a billion dollars. So, yeah, I think both those movies coming out I don't think it's totally an accident no, absolutely not.
Speaker 1:That was probably planned. It was probably planned. Who had the first date? I think Superman had the date first.
Speaker 1:I think so, yeah, and then Kevin's like, like I said, you can't put it on the same day and instead of doing the week of or the week of or the week after, give him two weeks because again, that first punch for Superman is going to be a wave, oh yeah, and the word of mouth I think is going to be a wave, oh yeah, and like the word of mouth I think is going to help that movie the best in the fact that it's Superman. So it's going to get that first punch, but, to your point, that first Marvel punch is going to hit Like that's still the MCU at the end of the day, the first Marvel punch is still going to hit and people are going to be anticipating Doctor Doom too.
Speaker 2:Mm have to bite the bullet and put him in the trailer. Just put him in the trailer and just do it, get it out of the way.
Speaker 1:That would be kind of crazy actually for the super bowl trailer too, like if it's him, if it's robert, if it's downy, that would be. That would be crazy. Remember, we're talking about an announcement at a con. You didn't that took over twitter. Like, oh yeah, the internet exploded. You think like it's gonna be nuts so yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 2:I don't know if they would do that, because he's not advertised for the movie, like a lot of people are saying. He's gonna be a post-credit scene, but like man, would they bait and switch a post-credit scene into a trailer?
Speaker 1:well, that's what I'm, that's what I'm kind of saying of like you might have to just bite the bullet you either do that.
Speaker 2:I mean, one of two ways you can get people on board with this trailer is if, again, like I said, galactus is just like this Marvel no pun intended like he shows up on the screen of the trailer and you're like whoa, like I need to see this movie, yeah if you could capture that family retrofutur.
Speaker 1:But, like I said, james Gunn might be like Super Bowl first official trailer. Run it and you're like, oh shoot, that's going to be the one that people watch first. So I'm in between both.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I'm kind of conflicted between the both.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's a great point both. Um, yeah, yeah, that's a great point. Um, I guess we'll save. We can save. Uh, let's save some tv stuff for next week. We can split it because we'll talk to this, yeah, because tv's got a big punch.
Speaker 1:Like you're talking about franchise for tv, marvel's got some got some words to say this year they got out. They got a whole bunch and I mean, starting in less than two months, my baby boy is back.
Speaker 2:And we're finally going to do it. We're finally going to do a Daredevil. Retrospective is coming.
Speaker 1:We're going to have Charlie Cox on the podcast.
Speaker 2:We're going to have to do a Daredevil retrospective.
Speaker 1:I'm going to start re-watching it ASAP.
Speaker 2:A hundred some odd episodes in, and we're finally doing it. This is the greatest news ever.
Speaker 2:That'll come up in a couple of weeks. So, yeah, we're going to save. We'll save TV for next week. Definitely do like a 2025 TV deep dive. Yeah, and that's going to do it for us this week. You can follow us on Twitter at project I enough underscore pod. You can follow us on Facebook. You can follow us on Instagram at the project Infinite pod, can follow us on TikTok and YouTube at the Project Infinite podcast. And, yeah, I think, if anything, we've proved that this year is going to be pretty crazy.
Speaker 1:It's going to be insane, it's going to be nuts.
Speaker 2:From your standard regular non-franchise movies to franchise movies, to panda movies.
Speaker 1:To All-American season 50. Come on, man, what season that show's on?
Speaker 2:We're getting two Marvel movies, to fandom movies, to All-American Season 50. Come on, man Season that show's on. We're getting two Marvel movies, a DC movie and an Avatar movie all in the same year. Pretty fun, fun stuff, so yeah.
Speaker 1:And Minecraft.
Speaker 2:And the Minecraft movie that we didn't talk about, which I was gaslit and thinking, came out already. I just I thought it had come and went. I was like, wait, this movie hasn't come out yet. What are you doing, jason muller? What are you doing? Not a lot of anything. Come on man, um all right man, from me, from the careful man um don't, don't call me anthony mackie from uh, from the I got so many things to choose from here, from the gareth edwards of the podcast I'll take it.
Speaker 1:I'll take it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, low budget king, low budget king, low budget king.
Speaker 1:Jurassic world movie is gonna cost 17 to make, and 16 of it, once a scarlet johansson and it's gonna look and phenomenal. It's gonna look incredible. God, I love this little niche that gareth edwards is settled into yeah, just, yeah, just, let him do anything he wants.
Speaker 2:Yep, um, all right guys, that's it. We will see you next week for some 2025 part two, stuff, tv, stuff, tv. Last of us daredevil um other things. Until then, goodbye peace.
