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144 - Honoring David Lynch & Projecting 2025 TV Shows: Daredevil, Stranger Things & More
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This week's episode focuses on the multitude of TV shows set to release in 2025, with highlights on "Daredevil: Born Again," "The Last of Us," and the future of the MCU with "Ironheart" and "Wonder Man." We also pay homage to the legendary filmmaker David Lynch and discuss how his work continues to influence modern storytelling. We muse on Lynch's unconventional creative journey and how he inspired countless filmmakers, proving that formal education isn't a prerequisite for brilliance. From Lynch's legacy, we pivot to the galaxy far, far away, with whispers of Ryan Gosling joining Sean Levy's Star Wars saga. Could Gosling's star power add a new dimension to the franchise? Whether it's the sprawling Marvel universe or the magic of "Percy Jackson," we discuss it all! Thank you to everyone who continues to support and don’t forget to subscribe to download new episodes as they become available and don’t be afraid to share a rating!
0:00 Intro
01:20 David Lynch Passes at 78
04:26 Ryan Gosling Joining Star Wars??
10:45 Rory McCann to Resume Baylon Skoll’s Journey in Ahsoka
13:25 Sony Cans a TON of Live Service Games As Marvel Rivals Thrives
21:45 Marvel News: George Miller/Thor 5 & Legendary Iron Man Villain to Return in VisionQuest
31:04 Milly Alcock’s Supergirl to Appear in Superman
32:56 Daredevil: Born Again Trailer
51:56 Other TV Shows We Are Excited To See This Year: Stranger Things, The Last of Us, The Bear, A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms & OTHERS
01:15:25 Marvel Animation
01:20:07 Marvel Live Action
01:33:51 What Are We MOST Excited For?
01:37:00 Signing Off With a Shang Chi Tangent
Topic for Next Week: What If…? I think?
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Speaker 2:Hello everybody and welcome back to another episode of the Project Infinite Podcast, the podcast covering the infinite and ever-expanding multiverse of fandom For movies, comics, tv shows, video games. We got you covered. I'm Rob. I'm here, as always, with Court Court. This is a part two, I guess, to our 2025 preview, where we talked about movies that we were looking forward to in 2025.
Speaker 1:We made it big time.
Speaker 2:We're doing part twos now. Yeah, we've done a part two before. Big time. We're doing part twos now. Yeah, we've done a part two before, but not like this, not like this. So this week we are going to talk about TV shows and, man see, the reason we split this up into two parts is because the TV side, the movie side, is pretty loaded, but the TV side is especially loaded this year year and we're going to talk about so many of those shows that we're looking forward to across a wide, wide spectrum of of genres and everything. But before that, we do have some news, starting with some unfortunate news, that is, film tv icon david lynch passed away at the age of 78, um best known for twin peaks, um best known for dune 1984, um the elephant man, um, just a legend, legendary career.
Speaker 1:It's insane because you could just go down, even be like for twin twin peaks, for mahalan drive, for eraser head, for dune, for blue velvet, like that's just the type of filmmaking you're talking about. You mean you want to talk innovation in the 70s that he was getting after in the 70s, that he was getting after in the 70s and 80s, and obviously you know, on a broad spectrum, thinking like do you know how great of a filmmaker you need to be to usurp you making that dune movie and to still, you know, carve out the career that you did? I mean, he's the he's. So what is enigmatic the word I'm looking for? But I love how, I love how tough and rugged he is and I loved his love for the game. I mean, he's somebody that's truthfully, he was truthfully. He loved filmmaking, he loved the craft of filmmaking.
Speaker 1:I love that video where the PA's telling him we gotta speed up the scene. He's like why? Why do we need to speed up the scene? That's David Lynch for you. He was so mysterious but he was such a cool customer. Yeah, it comes to this film thing, so rest in peace. That's. That one was a tough loss. That one was like it just came out of nowhere. It was just out of nowhere. I mean you want to talk about minds that do this. He's one of the best. I mean he, he literally carved ways to think about different ways of making movies. So rest in peace, and it's that this one was a sad one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the, the, the. The mark of someone that's truly kind of made it in their field is when they get like an adjective right, Like when you say something is Lynchian, um, whether it's a film, you know, whatever the case is, you know it invokes him and that kind of surrealism that he brought to his, to his, to his films and to his directing and everything that he did. Really a true artist musician, filmmaker.
Speaker 1:I mean, what was David Lynch? He was a painter before he was a, before he was a filmmaker, and he talked about it too. He said it doesn't, you don't need to go to film school, you don't? He said I was a painter before I did this like I, I wasn't, I, I think what was he? A truck? I don't know if it was him. That was the truck driver before this, but he's like, I didn't have to go to film school, I didn't need to do any of that, just pick up a camera and start shooting stuff. So you want to talk about inspirations? David Lynch is definitely on that list.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 78 years old, long, long life, long career, acclaimed career. Yeah, man, just one of those times it's a bummer, for sure, but also a celebration of just a remarkable, remarkable life and career.
Speaker 1:There's something poetic about the last appearance that he made in a film Obviously as a director he was always behind. It was the Fablemans, where he played Tom Ford and he kind of gave the torch to Steven Spielberg. There's something poetic about it being him that played Tom Ford to do it. I just thought about that as well too. But definitely rest in peace, it sucked. I heard that and I was like what are you talking about? I know he was working on something for Netflix at the time too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely a bummer. So, as always, tough to transition out of these things, but we're going to and starting with some breaking news that broke a little while ago today, and that is Sean Levy's Star Wars movie, has its lead Potentially. Who could it be? Give me some actors. Who could it be?
Speaker 1:Give me any name. Any name. Is it John David Washington? No.
Speaker 2:Is it?
Speaker 1:Jessica Alba no.
Speaker 2:You're getting closer, though Weird, is it, jessica Alba? No, you're getting closer, though, weirdly enough. What do you mean by that? Ryan Gosling is apparently in talks, finalizing stages, of a deal with Star Wars, and he's going to be the lead in this Sean Levy Star Wars movie.
Speaker 1:It's crazy. We've been talking about it for about two hours now. Every time we talk about it it keeps getting crazier and crazier in my head that ryan gosling would even entertain. But listen, there's three factors that I'm gonna bring up. One, it's money.
Speaker 1:Let's not beat around the bush sean levy just came off a billion dollar project with marvel and he saw what star power can help him doing that. Number two, it's the star power in the room and that's Ryan Gosling. I mean, you want to talk about the movie stars? It's like Glenn Powell was joking around about it. He said I feel humbled that you guys think I'm a movie star but Ryan Gosling's an actual, real life like he is an absolute movie star. And three, I think it's Sean Levy's kind of directorial charisma is really attracting people to want to do things, which I guess all three of them work in tandem, because you don't get that without getting a billion dollar movie under your belt where people would be like, hey, maybe I should work with that guy, but what's the approach? What do you do? Because I have two schools of thought.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, the easy answer when you get Ryan Gosling is that he's going to be some type of charming roguish type character. It's a Han Solo variant.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but like, is that too easy, sure.
Speaker 2:Probably, but it's also probably the safest option.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, because it's the whole Top Gun Maverick thing.
Speaker 2:It's like, don't overcomplicate it, Like sometimes it's simple and Star Wars historically in film has not. I mean, obviously Han Solo was in a huge part of the original trilogy, of course, but they've not yet made a movie about that type of character. He's always kind of like a supplemental character to the Jedi character.
Speaker 1:And he's like, a lot of times he's the audience. Surrogate like this makes no sense, man, but I'm here because it's the right thing to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think you know, if anything on the small screen quote-unquote and or prove that you can make a quality Star Wars project about that type of character, sure, so I mean, that's probably the easiest answer, yep.
Speaker 1:Now mean? That's probably the easiest answer. Yep, is to do that now. Number two is the obvious. This is about the space winners, was, this is about the space wizard. So you?
Speaker 2:make him a jedi.
Speaker 1:Now my concern is that you don't like. Is that ryan gosselin's bag to do that? To play like, but like and but. Then the good part would be like. You have to get a little innovative of like and obviously I feel like this movie's going to be fun and like they're. Probably, if this movie hits, it gets the Star Wars fandom back on track to some degree. It's going to be like all right.
Speaker 1:Well, sean Levy A has the keys to the castle and B let him do whatever the heck he wants. Like, let him have the most fun that he wants. So I'm kind of, I'm so I'm so intrigued to the fact of like. Do you just make him a jedi, but make it like, make it a little different. Like, but like. How does this fit in? Like is this I hope this takes place after rise of skywalker, because we both talked about that like it's time.
Speaker 1:Like it's time to move on. It's time to move on like, let's get after everything. Like, if you want to bring ray back for this movie, so be it. But like, let's, let's get after it. Like, let's move on. You bring wins. I had, I had a, I had an idea, and now I just thought of the actor that you could put in there to do this. Now, if you do the option a and that's just make him a charismatic gun slinging ship, flying crap, talking um, whimsical, witty, heart of gold character, which ryan gosling would, you know, absolutely be phenomenal, I still don't think you could do this movie without a jedi like you. It's the thing like I. It's why. It's why like the, uh, the jedi, uh, the jedi series for the for gaming is working so well, it's because it's a main jedi. That's like it's good to see. You get winston duke to play the jedi.
Speaker 2:Because I feel like he can be like the.
Speaker 1:You get your Fall Guy crew back together, you let him play the Jedi and let him be like sagest and wise and old not old but wise and like his grounding force, and he's like nah, dude, let's go have some fun in this galaxy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so apparently this movie is being developed as a standalone project Interesting, which again makes me think that they are going to kind of Han Solo him sure. Um, like I said, I think that's probably just the safest option and you know, we kind of talked off air about like Star Wars, especially on the film side, really needing kind of a win they need a win that they can prolong, like they need a win that's just gonna.
Speaker 1:Like they need a win that's just going to work, yeah, and like I think that's probably what did it. It's like let's get, let's get the director of Deadpool Wolverine and let's get the world's male movie star. Like let's put the two of those things together, cause we already burned ourselves using Pedro. No, I didn't burn themselves, but we already used Pedro Pascal. So get scouse and get the second guy right I still can't believe he's, he's, he might and will do this. This is insane.
Speaker 2:I know, yeah, apparently, like, like I said, he's in final talk. So once you get to that stage, I feel like it, once it kind of gets out, it's like that 99 to one, it's like gonna happen. Yeah, the only thing in recent memory that I can think of that kind of fell through was the, that original fantastic four casting that pretty much all came through, besides the Matt Smith thing. Who was it? It was Matt Smith, vanessa Kirby, joseph Quinn. It was this cast, just Matt Smith instead of Pedro Pascal, and that was apparently a done deal. So one of these days we'll find out what happened with Matt Smith. Pedro Pascal was available, that's what happened to Matt Smith?
Speaker 1:Yeah, probably.
Speaker 2:But also again to my point, could have just made Matt Smith Doctor Doom. Well, they still could make Matt Smith Doctor Doom. I think he would be great. I guess we'll just stay in the Star Wars realm just for right. Now I'm moving some things around. That is, the character of Balan Skull will be coming back in Ahsoka Season 2, but he will be recast, obviously with the passing of Ray Stevenson, and will be recast from a good friend of Ray Stevenson, rory McCann, who people will know probably most popularly as the Hound in Game of Thrones, had a very, very minor role in Gladiator 2. I think, as far as obviously he and Ray Stevenson were good friends and as far as character type, I think he fits the role of Balan Skull very, very well. Sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it sucks. It's a whole thing. We talk everything for, let's just say for Harrison Ford to play the Red Hulk and to play Thaddeus Ross. But it sucks, because William Hurt was supposed to be doing this. This should have been William Hurt's thing to do, so it's the same thing. This was supposed to be Ray Stevenson's things to do, and a great, great character.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:I mean that that Balan Skull character was one of the single best things. It was something different. We had seen out of the gate by them as well too. He had this stoicism about him which made me question as well too, which I was not expecting, especially from a Dark Side user. So I mean, but you get that out of Roy Stevenson's performance. But this is still a good recast as well too. So I'm just excited that at least the character's memory gets to live on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think that was kind of one of the not concerns. But it was kind of going to be a bummer if we were going to do another season of Ahsoka and that character wasn't going to return, because it is a really well-written character and a really obviously a tremendously performed character. So I'm excited to see the character live on. I think Rory McCann is an excellent, excellent actor. Obviously I love his work as the Hound in Game of Thrones, so looking forward to what he can bring to another kind of stoic but has an air of deepness to him, kind of like the Hound had. So I'm excited, definitely pumped for that. And just a quick little video game corner. Just some highlights from the video game world. Quick little video game corner. Just some highlights from the video game video game world.
Speaker 2:Um, sony has canceled a plethora of live action, live service games. Um, that they have been. Some were in deep, deep development. Um, blue point was working on a god of war live service game. Um, I know a horizon zero dawn mmo got canceled. Um, and I mean it's a shame in one respect that they wasted so much time, energy, resources and money. But also I hope this is kind of like a wake-up call of we don't need everything to be a live service game. Well.
Speaker 1:I mean, two things are kind of usurping. That Funny enough, it's Marvel Rivals is kind of shaking everybody awake.
Speaker 2:I don't know when this decision? Yeah, we got some Marvel Rivals stuff to talk about.
Speaker 1:I don't know when the Marvel Rivals came into the room, but it definitely helped solidify something, because they're proving you don't need to pay to have fun. That's not what gaming should be. If you need to pay for the game a billion, trillion, gazillion percent you need to pay for the game. Beyond that, we just were joking about the guardians of the galaxy game, like in comparison to the avengers game. Like why do I want to pay to get to up? Like I'm not paying to play a game to be better, like that just takes away everything. Like if you're gonna whoop my butt in a game, what my butt by? You know, by the content of your character, not by the color of your, of your skin. Yeah, literally the skin of the skins on the like I don't want any upgrades because of this like, and Marvel Rivals is understanding that.
Speaker 1:And then that's half the battle. The other half of the battle is the type of gaming world that we've moved into and that's narrative gaming. Narrative gaming is kind of like the the point. Now. It's like, if you're not narrative gaming or you're not like a super fun, like keep chipping away game like Astro marvel rivals, like, then that's kind of where the future holds like if gate, like I mean you look at the cash for intergalactic, like that's like an actual, those are actual actors going into this trying to do this.
Speaker 2:So there's no place for live service and like I dare I say good, like yeah you know, yeah, I mean I don't know what a god of war live service game looks like. Exactly like what's the appeal of God of War? It's Kratos, kratos yes, it's Kratos and his story. Like I don't care to play as a random NPC-type character and play around in the God of War world. Like what brings me to God of War is playing as Kratos and following his story. Same thing with Horizon Zero Dawn. Like I don't have an interest in playing some random person in the Horizon universe. Aloy's story is enough. So I mean, I hope this is kind of, like you said, kind of a wake-up call that not everything needs to be live service. And, like you said, marvel Rivals. It's the question that I've always been asking myself with all these live service games and it's why aren't people just doing what Fortnite does and Marvel Rivals just is doing that? They're just like we're just going to give you the whole game for free. We're going to give you all the characters for free, and if you want to buy some skins, you want to buy a battle pass, go right ahead. But you're not missing out on anything by not doing that. And the proof is in the pudding that Marvel Rivals is one of the most successful games of 2025. Obviously, it's the first month, but this I I kept hearing after this game released that like people are gonna be like, oh, it's gonna be, people are gonna be sick of it. People are gonna no, because the game is fun for one. Um, that's a referential yep, uh, yeah, I mean I've seen just kind of like anecdotes on twitter the last month of like comic comics are selling, marvel comics are selling because of marvel rivals. Like People are getting into the they find their main character that they play as and they're like I kind of want to learn more about Moon Knight and that goes to my point. I made last episode that I'm glad that they included the roster that they did. Moon Knight, psylocke, magic, and then the characters, obviously you know like, and then the characters you know obviously there's there's leaks and stuff about characters you know potentially coming like characters like emma frost, um, cyclops, uh, you know I've seen some crazy, crazy inclusions that are coming. Um, you know so I, and now you know coming off the news that they're putting the Sony Insomniac Spider-Man costume in the game. I think next week, on the 30th, I think you're going to start seeing that a lot more. I think you're going to start seeing a lot more of the Marvel Like. I think they're doing a tie-in with AMC and Captain America where if you buy a ticket through the AMC website you get a code for an exclusive skin for Marvel Rivals.
Speaker 2:I think Marvel recognizes the juggernaut that they might have accidentally stumbled into. Maybe not accidentally, maybe they knew all along. But I mean, when you go back, I think the trailer, the first reveal of this game happened last March, so a little under a year ago, when it was like Marvel, I think the announcement was like Marvel games is showing off a new thing and people were like ah, whatever, dude, like it's going to be some MMO or like some mobile game. And then you know the Marvel rivals trailer dropped in, like okay, but what is it? And then they were like it's just an overwatch clone and arguably the biggest game in the world.
Speaker 1:Right now, yeah, and you always get to test when you do it, when you're walking around and you hear people like I was at I think I was at Starbucks the other day and I heard them talking about who they were mating in Marvel Rivals. I said what the heck is going on?
Speaker 2:This is insane. And then, on the other side of things, just a bit of news that I had to include because, obviously, justice League Kills the Suicide Squad is done. It has wrapped up with the release of its final character, deathstroke, who they just gave all the powers to. From what I understand, I still never played that game. I'm not going to, unfortunately, and then spoiler alert for that game. I guess, with the release of the Deathstroke DLC, that it kind of wrapped up the story and the story is apparently for nothing. Yep, the whole conceit behind the whole plot, which you know, if you chart again, we've been doing this podcast long enough, where we've been doing this long enough, where we follow projects from inception to release to, in this case, the end, and we were both pretty excited by the concept of this and then, like it being set in the arkham verse, it being developed by rocksteady, we were like this sounds amazing.
Speaker 2:and then it was it's a live service game they waited to say that too, and I was like and then it got delayed for a really long, like a year. It got pushed back. And then we're like, oh, and then the first trailer came out and it was like here's the battle pass and here's this. I'm like, oh no, oh no, oh no, no. And then the plot details got released and like everyone dies and you're like, I get that suicide squad. But then like, just the way they handle things, and now the ultimate reveal is that none of it mattered because they were all clones.
Speaker 1:Thanks god, and I don't know if that's like I feel like it's something to do with the arkham game. I feel like it has something to do with spider-man. I think it has something to do with, like, the arkham games of them wanting to do one last arkham game with batman and they want to like, wait a minute, guys do it right. Just kidding y'all. Just Just Josh, just jokes, just jokes. Except for Wonder Woman. Yeah, she's actually dead.
Speaker 2:So my bad on that. Yeah, I mean again, just a spectacular failure. Yeah, another live service failure Justice League versus Suicide Squad what a joke, yeah. So everyone just chill, everyone stop. You know the other thing? The other problem with live service oversaturation. People only have so much money to spend. Yes, like you guys are not helping by, like you're wondering why your games are failing, but then like people are already putting a ton of time and energy into like a game like marvel rivals, we're like that's where your money and energy is gonna go. Like, if you're paying for $15 for a Battle Pass and buying skins, my energy is not going to another freaking live service.
Speaker 2:I'm not playing. 50 live service games.
Speaker 1:You want to turn in and look at Guardians of the Galaxy the game. No expectation, but that story was phenomenal, An absolutely phenomenal story that made me feel like I was reading the most emotional Guardians of the Galaxy comics ever.
Speaker 2:And I don't mind paying $70 for a game that I'm going to play for 40 hours and then never play again.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying At least, if you have to pay for the game, that's fine, that's okay. You're selling me a product, that's all right. I don't want to pay for anything after that. That will not help. What battle pass do I? Why am I paying for a battle pass? I just want to play a game again the Guardians of the Galaxy game.
Speaker 2:All the cosmetics and stuff you have to find in game. You have to explore the world and find the chests.
Speaker 1:Then you get the costumes but then the story is so enthralling you're like I actually care and that's the piece. I don't care about anybody in that game or that story at all. But then you turn over and you look at the Jedi games. I care about Cal Kesta so much, To the point where people are like do live action because we love him so much. That's how you know you did something good, yep, a hundred percent.
Speaker 2:So that's that Marvel News, and this one is a doozy. So you might. How well do you remember Iron man 1? I would.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm a complete nerd, so of course I remember Iron man 1.
Speaker 2:All right, but do you have any fondness for the terrorist guy?
Speaker 1:If you're asking if I have fondness for Raza, if you're asking if I have a fondness terrorism Raza, if you're asking if I have a fondness for terrorism, then no, I don't have a fondness for terrorism.
Speaker 2:Alright, but you're staunchly anti-terrorism.
Speaker 1:Yes, great, I'm putting my state claim You're putting that on the record that I'm anti-terrorism. Alright well.
Speaker 2:I'm like Jack Bauer. Do you remember the guy in the beginning? We're going to talk about 24 one day. Oh yeah, do you remember the guy in the beginning of Iron man who kidnapped Tony Stark? Yeah, he's like hey, get over here, man, Build me a missile please.
Speaker 1:Tony Stark was like.
Speaker 2:I'll take one million missiles. What if I built an Iron man suit and said no.
Speaker 2:I didn't want you to do that. That's actually what he said. He said no, you're not building an Iron man suit in here, are you and Tony Stark? Yeah, he's like no, tony Stark was like never. I would never do that. That's insane, jensen. Let's complete this Iron man suit. Look, this is a flamethrower. My turn. Iron man 1 is great, yeah, it is, but anyway. So Ferran Tahir, who plays Raza in Iron man, has been confirmed by deadline to be returning for Vision Quest.
Speaker 1:What. Yo what is Vision Quest?
Speaker 2:Spoiler alert for Iron man 1.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he will return actually.
Speaker 2:Raza was killed by Obadiah Stane.
Speaker 1:Was it on screen?
Speaker 2:No, it was a clone, it said. Squad Kills Justice.
Speaker 1:League. It was a hologram. It was a hologram. It was a hologram. No, not like Fast and Furious.
Speaker 2:Kurt Russell was there for some reason.
Speaker 1:Yo, kurt Russell was doing mad product placement for Coronas. It was crazy. What is this? I don't know what this show is. Tommy's in this show? Yes, who, tommy, tommy, who, billy and Tommy?
Speaker 2:Is he? Yeah, sure, I mean, james Spader is coming back.
Speaker 1:We know that James Spader doesn't do a lot, but Marvel calls him. He's like yeah, I'm in.
Speaker 2:So here's the thing Vision is a show about Vision, right Right Granted Vision was Jarvis. I understand that, but Raza never interacted with Iron man. He interacted with Tony Stark and Obadiah.
Speaker 1:Which makes me think that maybe somehow this show has something to do with Ironheart in some way, shape or form, and Jeff Bridges is going to come back.
Speaker 2:No, no, why is this guy coming back?
Speaker 1:is my question. I don't understand. Maybe in a flashback, but it still doesn't make sense. A flashback for whom?
Speaker 2:Tony, you're telling me, robert Downey. Jr is going to show up as bad boy. Yep, you're here, folks. Somehow Raza returned. That was insane. I can't believe that. I think this Vision show is going to be pretty good.
Speaker 1:I'm on record.
Speaker 2:I think the Scarlet Witch stuff has been the most compelling stuff that they've done. That includes Agatha all along. We talked about that show've done. That includes Agatha all along. We talked about that show on here Really really good. That kind of gave me more momentum. James Bader coming back as Ultron that was a big win Is incredible. But now this guy is coming back. Yeah.
Speaker 1:All right, all right.
Speaker 2:Great Headline news. This one's a bit more of a rumor, but it seems like it could Probably potentially be happening. It's something that got a little bit of Traction after Furiosa came out, and now it's got some real Traction and that is George Miller potentially directing Thor 5, which I think would be fantastic. I think we even said it.
Speaker 1:Come on man, that's two today. We were talking about it a while ago, Even before we started Doing this, where we were like I think we even said it Fantastic. This was like a Come on man, that's two today. We were talking about it a while ago, even before we started doing this, where we were like you know, thor is like Thor and Hulk were the two characters that were like you can keep them running for years and I'll be fine, keep them running forever. If you can't get the universal rights, just have them show up in Captain America 4. Just have him show up for as long as you can get from Mark Ruffalo. But Chris Hemsworth just keep running the movies up and I think he wants to get a get back from Thor 4. Now, stupid me watched Thor 4 the other day, just cause.
Speaker 1:However, george Miller and I mean we talked about it when we talked about Furiosa I mean George Miller has like a, he has like a veracity in the way that he film makes. That I think is really remarkable, like his scope and scale. But it feels like there's this like rugged piece that goes over it. But then there's this little dash of tenderness that he just sprinkles in there and I think that's like unabashedly Thor, specifically Chris Hemsworth, thor and like you know, at you Marvel Studios, like do you, but do you have it in you to make it epic? Like I feel like George Miller can really bring Thor back to like this epic nature. Now, the one thing that I told you before we hopped on here I'm so mad that they imagine if George Miller had gore and Christian Bale like yeah, woof, woo, woof, woof, woof.
Speaker 2:Yeah, unfortunately for Thor 4, Taika Waititi just stopped caring, I mean you have options.
Speaker 1:I mean, I have an idea. All right, hear me out, hear me out, hear me out, hear me out, hear me out, hear me out. You set this movie in the future, in the far, far future, and you do God, emperor Thor. Oh, that could be cool in the far, far future. And you do God, emperor Thor, oh, that could be cool. And you do an old man, thor, essentially Not old man, because he won't look too old, but you do an older-looking Thor. You do Thor's kids, you do Thor's three daughters that he has, and you kind of spin it like that you do an older Thor. What happened to the God Butcher? He replaced himself, for right, he died, but he, like, traded himself for his daughter. Right, yeah, could you? Christian Bale would never come back, right?
Speaker 2:I mean it depends how good of a time he had, or bad of a time. I mean how you spin it, or if you could just be like, hey, this is going to be way different than the last one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because what you can plausibly do is you've got to ask yourself where you place this If this movie comes out before Secret.
Speaker 2:Wars. What if they just forget that Thor 4 ever happened and just do gore again? No, they can't do that.
Speaker 1:Sure they can, unfortunately. But that's what I'm saying. Like maybe gore finds a way to come back. And then you do gore, true, this time, like nah, I'm not just coming for like, I'm coming for the celestials, like I will. Oh no, maybe you just make yo. George miller made a furiosa full, it was a full revenge story. Just do that again, but do it good this time. But and then, so I'm a villain again, I'm back, but then you put you put tom hiddleston back in this movie. Like you get them all back together for one last movie.
Speaker 2:Door's like oh, no man, I thought we hashed this out. No man, Thor's like. I changed my mind.
Speaker 1:I changed my mind. I got the Necrosword again. Whoa, no, not the Necrosword from Marvel Comics. How'd you get that?
Speaker 2:Noel's like. Noel from across the Sonyverse is like hang on.
Speaker 1:Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I gotta get one of those, but no, I feel like that would be a cool approach. You do an old man. You do the god emperor Thor, not Donny Cates. Not Donny Cates was working on him, jason Aaron was doing that was Jason Aaron's post War of the Realms. He was doing the old man Thor with his daughters. I think that would be cool. You do an older Loki and then, or the option they're going to pick, and I don't know if it's because I've been watching Ted Lasso, but you follow through on the Brett Goldstein like you make him the other lead of the movie and you just do the two of them. They punch for a bit and then they're mates against Zeus. Keep it simple.
Speaker 2:You give Russell then their mates against zeus? Like keep it simple. You give russell crowe another shot to like be properly like a little more serious, right? Um, I'm assuming cord won't be coming back.
Speaker 1:No, no, taika watiti is never touching a marvel project, ever again.
Speaker 2:Um, absolutely not yeah, I mean, I'm all for that. I think that'd be great. Um, we obviously know george miller got a lot of great work out of hemsworth and furiosa, so whoa, whoa, Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1:Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. If you're going to do this idea, George Miller, I know you're listening. If you're going to do this idea, why don't you? You know who you get to play as daughter. You get Anya Taylor-Joy. I feel like they want her for something else. Yes, they do. She could, no, I could. I can see her playing like an Emma Frost.
Speaker 2:Man, she was the lone bright spot of New Mutants. Yeah, she was, she was fabulous. Oh, what am I?
Speaker 1:saying she can't play Emma Frost. She could, she could, she could. Oh, you know who? She would be incredible as Black Swan from Hickman's Avengers run, yeah, she would be phenomenal as Black Swan.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just got a feeling that they want her or something. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, I need Taylor Joy with cooking Star Wars as well too. Yes, she's got big Star Wars energy she does have big Star Wars.
Speaker 2:I know exactly what you mean. Yeah, yeah, so George Miller, do it. As your agent. Do it, make it serious. He will. He'll make it sort of serious. Sure, bring Jane back too. Sure, get her back in there. This is Asgard, or wherever she went at the end, valhalla, uh-huh, dc things, thing, dc thing. Millie Alcock is confirmed to be appearing in the Superman movie Great Good stuff and David Krumpholtz has been confirmed as playing her father in the Supergirl movie.
Speaker 1:Good stuff Also good, I'm assuming her Earth father. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Hey, don't do that Supergirl stuff.
Speaker 2:Previously played by Dean Cain. Hmm, I'm just saying facts. Yeah, these are the facts. I'm not surprised by this. No, no.
Speaker 1:I love the positioning of what they're putting this Superman movie against Of. Like this universe could have heroes as old as years and years old.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I mean this movie's going to make a billion dollars and they probably want Supergirl to be really successful. Yes, so throw her in this probably billion dollar movie and let people fall in love with Millie Alcock the way that we did when we saw her in House of the Dragon.
Speaker 1:Yep, that was the best point that was one of the best points you've ever made. That's exactly what they're trying to do, Like go watch Supergirl next summer, Like this is going to be the one for next year.
Speaker 2:It's as much as James Gunn is like. This isn't going to be like a Marvel thing where we're going to do the thing, you're going to do the thing. It's why the early stages of Marvel work so well, where you could be like watching Iron man and then Nick Fury shows up at the end and be like we're doing the Avengers and you're like I'm in, ah, shoot. Same thing with every other movie that they did in phase one, like Thor, thor, you're doing Thor next.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wait, wait. Is that Hawkeye? Is that Hawkeye from Marvel Comics in there? Are you, Jeremy Renner from the town?
Speaker 2:in my Thor movie. What's going on? So yeah, get Millie Alcock in there, let her Supergirl a bit for a couple minutes.
Speaker 1:Well, I just like the approach that they're going to take to be like I hate you, like. I hope that's the approach they take. It's like I really don't like. You're cool and you I'm just like. And the Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow story and the fact that they're leaving Tom King in to help make this is phenomenal.
Speaker 2:That story is so good? Yep, for sure. So I'm obviously we are already looking forward to Superman, but knowing that she's going to show up, I'm really keen to see how she shows up as Supergirl. I'm really excited for that. And then I guess our segue into our topic is we got, we got the trailer. Yes, we did, um, daredevil born again. Um, we got the trailer. Um, it's probably, you know, just, I guess we could just start there with daredevil, probably the most anticipated show for us, at least for 2025. The Last of Us is right there. But this is, knowing what we got with the Last of Us, we already kind of expect kind of like excellence. But this Daredevil thing with is it real how it started? How it's going? Yeah, which we'll talk about a lot more in a couple weeks when we properly do a Daredevil retrospective.
Speaker 1:I need you to find every. You need to do a compilation of all the times. I'm like we should talk about Daredevil this week. You're like no, the show doesn't come out for two years and look at us.
Speaker 2:You were doing that bit before this even got announced.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like when the future of Daredevil was up in the air, I still had hope you wanted to do a Daredevil retrospective just because he was showing up in Spider-Man.
Speaker 1:I wanted to do a Daredevil retrospective as the first episode of this podcast, and that's a real, actual fact.
Speaker 2:That's not even us joking Should we just start this podcast by talking about Daredevil. So yes, daredevil Born Again, finally realized, finally coming out in a little more than a month. We got the trailer. All your favorites are back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, eat your heart out. Previous writers that didn't want to do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we'll talk about the kind of you know the story of Daredevil Born Again. You know, in a couple weeks when we recap Daredevil and everything. But it's been a journey to get here Before someone at Marvel was like hey why don't we just do Daredevil again? And people were like, yep, yep, sounds good. So this trailer obviously opens with D'Onofrio and Charlie Cox doing Daredevil. Yeah, what you been up to you, son of a bitch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a little bit of mutual respect on each side.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't say respect, but like it's like, yeah, they're.
Speaker 1:It's like that interview that Isaiah Thomas and Magic Johnson have. It's like that interview that.
Speaker 2:Isaiah Thomas and Magic Johnson have. They're sitting at the diner from the Punisher and from Daredevil Season 2. The same diner that they were in Talking about. What have you been up to? You know how many arrests cops can make if they frequent that diner and they just.
Speaker 1:Apparently Matt stopped being Daredevil Again. Well, they're taking that from Chip Zdarsky's run, like I guarantee you. Well, it's either that they take that he accidentally not aids, but like he accidentally kills somebody, like he's like if he was put through a court of law he would be innocent, but obviously he's not going to do that. So I think he stopped Daredevil either because of that or in the sadder one, in the fan theory that keeps running and running. And I think he stopped Daredevil either because of that or in the sadder one, in the fan theory that keeps running and running. And I think it's going to happen. It's because Foggy dies. Don't do it?
Speaker 2:Why did you stop being a vigilante? Why did you stop being a raging bitch, fisk? He didn't say that he could have. No, he said, mayor Fisk, remember that time your adopted daughter whammied you in the head and made you change your evil ways.
Speaker 1:She didn't. That was crazy. And then he just went back to doing villainous things. Now he's the mayor Now he is the mayor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so they're chatting. This trailer is intercut with a lot of bones breaking and a lot of blood squirting, which raises a couple questions. One question, I guess, and it's like are we just doing this to be like look, it's Daredevil? That's my one fear. I wasn't thinking it until one of the last shots in the trailer, when Buddy gets his leg snapped in half and I'm like ooh. First of all I was like ooh, and then I was like wait a minute, but none of the other Daredevil trailers really did it like that.
Speaker 1:I was like wait a minute. But like none of the other Daredevil trailers really did it like that. No, because like they were operating off of like Aura or they were operating off of tone Like this is just. And then, because this one's my real rewatch this isn't Quartz, the Psychopath that always watches Daredevil, which I do. This is my actual rewatch before the show. I watched the first four episodes and I'm like it's not violent for violence sake. It is violent because that is the tone of this universe and this show, but it's not overtly violent.
Speaker 2:This is just an MA yeah, violent things happen.
Speaker 1:Yes, this is just a TV MA project. That is it. This is point blank, simple. I have this fear that this show is missing, and all those things play narratively too. All of those things play narratively, like him getting the crap beat out of him as well too. It's his ultimate superpower.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it is no. His ultimate superpower is his Catholicism actually. But I'm telling you, the show itself, those first three seasons, just operated off of that, like it was. It wasn't violence for violence sake, and I have a I have this fear that this show is just like the Marvel. You guys love that gritty violence, like no, yeah, but not.
Speaker 2:That's not the reason yeah, yeah, I guess that's my only kind of the trailer kind of flagged that for me where I was like there's a lot of. I mean there's my only kind of the trailer kind of flagged that for me where I was like there's a lot of I mean there's a lot of violent stuff but it's a lot of gratuitous, like a lot of bones breaking A lot of sound effects.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The bones breaking. That I'm just like all right, maybe don't do that, hopefully as much, but narratively it looks pretty strong.
Speaker 1:It looks pretty great. It looks solid. I mean, there's something I still feel like it got hit with a dash of the Marvel lighting on there too, probably Maybe to keep it congruent with the rest of the projects. But there's going to be something I missed from that original three seasons. Sure they look gorgeous.
Speaker 2:I love the. I told you, one of the rawest shots ever that they've ever done is Matt looking completely unfazed by having a shotgun.
Speaker 1:I know you said he's not looking, because what is he seeing? A?
Speaker 2:world on fire. A shotgun to his head and he's just like whatever.
Speaker 1:I actually love. You know what this also does. They did a good job about. Like this is prime Daredevil now, like those first three seasons weren't really like year one, year two, year three. Like this is like straight prime, like if you were to pick up a Marvel comic right now Daredevil maybe not now because he's old now, but Foggy and Karen are back for a bit.
Speaker 2:Karen got a little bit more in this trailer than foggy did, which I guess fuels some more of the theories. Yeah, um, you know, I think that's fine, like I really enjoy that character. I really enjoyed deborah ellen wall in that world. Um, she annoyed me a little bit in the punisher but, um, I think they kind of got away from her a little bit in that in the punisher speaking of the punisher. Um, we did get a little bit in the Punisher, but I think they kind of got away from her a little bit. In the Punisher Speaking of the Punisher, we did get a little bit of a look at Crazy Hatchet swinging Frank Castle. I assume he's also the one deploying the smoke grenades in the trailer, because smoke grenades don't strike me as a daredevil weapon.
Speaker 1:Maybe he's expanding finally? No, isn't it going to affect him way more if he uses a smoke grenade? Wait, he can't use a smoke grenade actually.
Speaker 2:Daredevil throws a smoke grenade and he's like, oh no, oh shoot my one weakness, no, my multiple weaknesses.
Speaker 1:They're all happening at the same time.
Speaker 2:So I imagine that was probably Frank throwing. I mean, that's type A Punisher aura smoke, grenade deployment guy, maniac walks in with a bunch of machine guns, grunt oh no, it's the Punisher.
Speaker 1:Guys over under two and a half grunts screams out of Bernthal on this, so under, oh, I think he's gonna get his, you know the way you said Punisher made me think of the.
Speaker 2:You're probably too young for the. Uh, punisher made me think of the.
Speaker 1:You're probably too young for the Punisher video game that came out.
Speaker 2:But in the opening mission you're like, you go through like a crack house and this guy is talking to his buddy, maurice, and he's like Maurice, are you there? And then you grab Maurice and he goes hey man, you ain't Maurice, you're the Punisher. No one's the same energy. Oh no, she got an Iron man suit and that's what that made me think of. Oh shit, you ain't Maurice, you're the Punisher. I hope someone does that in Dead and Born Again.
Speaker 1:No, it's got to be Turk. That does it? No, put Turk in this show man. Oh no, you're the. Punisher you gonna do me like that D yo put Turk, I'm on parole, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so the Punisher I'm, you know. Going back to the trailer, I'm curious of what the Punisher's deal is now that he's in the MCU, like, what has he been up to?
Speaker 1:maybe he got pulled from the Netflix universe and dropped into the MCU and he's just like why is everybody having so much fun? Yeah, I want to murder someone.
Speaker 2:That's what he's here to punish is just too much fun. The MCU itself.
Speaker 1:Oh, Punisher, but he's a Herald of Galactus.
Speaker 2:Yo, now that he's in the MCU, give him the War Machine armor.
Speaker 1:Yo whoever gave him the War Machine armor in the first place, you idiots.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I'm curious of what like? I guess the easiest answer is that everyone got snapped and he's just been punishing for five years, or vice versa.
Speaker 1:He just got back. No oh he'd be livid Yo Thanos Dog.
Speaker 2:Oh man, the Punisher versus Thanos, the Punishers, the Quicksilvers, the.
Speaker 1:Daredevils.
Speaker 2:I did see someone saying like what if he teamed up with Ronan in five years and they just mowed down gangs together? Yo, that would be so hard.
Speaker 1:That'd be hard. Yo put Jeremy Renner in this show. I mean, speaking of that, we can talk about that for a little bit. Anybody you think showing up in this show, this has potential.
Speaker 2:There's got to be another defender in this thing. Right, I think it's Luke Cage. I'm Luke Cage. I thought no, don't dab well, there was a Harlem's Paradise poster, not poster billboard, in this trailer. Is this 9 episodes or 13 episodes? I think we'd know this by now no, they kept fluctuating the episodes.
Speaker 1:Vanessa's back, I love it.
Speaker 2:Original recipe Vanessa Daredevil warning again.
Speaker 1:Why does it not say 9 episodes one of the best things the MCU has done in the. Why does it not say Nine episodes?
Speaker 2:Nine, one of the best things the MCU has done in the Not in the but also the second season is going to start filming this March, right, so they're going to go like bang bang, back to back Like a TV show. They might be able to get the, the second season, out next year, next year, like a real TV show, yeah.
Speaker 1:Like they can just do each year Next year Like a real TV show. Yeah, like they can just do each year like a new season.
Speaker 2:That would be fantastic, like an actual TV show. That would be great. Isn't that crazy guys? We don't have to go seven years between seasons of shows. That would be fantastic. Yes, it's going to be what.
Speaker 1:No, I think a Defender or two is probably going to show up in this, wasn't Jessica?
Speaker 2:Jones supposed to show up? Didn to show up in this? Wasn't Jessica Jones supposed to show up, didn't? We know that she was supposed to? And then they say no, no, no, no. Kristen Ritter's been talking an awful lot about Jessica Jones lately. The only person they didn't ask was Finn Jones.
Speaker 1:I still think he's going to come back at some point. I'm not going to beat a dead horse about Shang-Chi 2. That's the easiest layup to make sure he's credible again. But, luke, I think Mike Colter is the easiest one to bring back. He's fantastic.
Speaker 2:I gotta stop saying that what about? Alright, this is an out there one. And maybe I'm Marvel? Yeah, I want like an MCU character. Okay, maybe I'm Well, I wasn't even gonna say an MCU character, but maybe it's because I'm Marvel. Rivals build, but Cloak and Dagger.
Speaker 1:Yo, that dagger. Yo, that would be awesome, that'd be sick. They have x-men 97. You beat me by one second.
Speaker 2:I was gonna say subconsciously you were thinking about x-men 97, but I've been saying for a while that I wanted to see those two come back, specifically those two actors as colgan. That's like an older cloak and dagger. I got one how?
Speaker 1:how much does oscar? How much for oscar isaac for an episode as moon knight? Don't tell me that wouldn't go. A little moon knight, daredevil. How much for Oscar Isaac for an episode as Moon Knight? Don't tell me that wouldn't go. A little Moon Knight, daredevil, punisher, triumphant just going crazy, that'd be cool.
Speaker 2:That would be awesome. Moon Knight works. We do know that. We know that. A couple things we know we saw Bullseye is back in this. Wilson Bethel is back. I'm unclear what Bullseye's role is going to be in this?
Speaker 1:Well, I guarantee you he might want. I did have a theory about this. I wonder if Matt's going to be helping Fisk for a little bit. Protect him from Bullseye, Protect him in general, Like I will bring you back. You get these bad people off the streets, End of story. You get to be Daredevil again, but you just do my bidding. And then Matt's going to be like wait, this is not good actually.
Speaker 1:And then by proxy Bullseye's. Just like I want Fisk dead, like I want him dead for what he did to me Bullseye's an issue man. Yo, that's a balanced breakfast.
Speaker 2:He was throwing everything he could Yo breakfast. He was throwing everything he could Yo Daredevil Season 3 goes so crazy Snow globes, staplers, pencils, pencils that guy was getting. He literally threw the kitchen sink at Matt. I guess that guy was getting tattooed. That was crazy. We know that Kamal Khan's dad is back in this.
Speaker 1:She doesn't really fit in the Daredevil universe, the only thing that she does to fit in here is that she's from Jersey City and she might have just went on a school trip.
Speaker 2:She recruits him for the Young Avengers Punisher shows up to kill Ms Marvel. No, that would be great. Punisher vs Ms Marvel. Anyone from the I mean, they pretty much got everybody back but anyone from the Daredevil-iverse that I want back.
Speaker 1:I mean, a weird one that I want back is Nobu. No, nobu actually would be kind of cool, nobu would be kind of cool.
Speaker 2:This trailer was lacking for ninjas. Yeah, not a lot. No, they're going to make him do the. Or is White Tiger going to be a ninja?
Speaker 1:Yeah, an RIP to the actor as well, too, who passed away. It's unfortunate he's not Ninja adjacent, I guess. It's unfortunate he's not going to be able to be back in this too. However, I'm trying to think from that, madam Gao no, she's old as heck. Shang-chi. No, he's not Daredevil adjacent. I'm not going to lie, see. That's why I'm like can you bring Finn Jones back and just make him like, put him in the Iron Fist suit. What's so difficult about this?
Speaker 2:you know what this trailer didn't have, or this show doesn't have that? I'm stunned, and maybe they're saving it for season 2, elektra. I'm not stunned at all. I'm a little surprised. I'm not stunned.
Speaker 1:I feel like they're waiting a little bit because they want to get their feet back under, because then they're going to also have to explain how is she alive? You never have to explain that with Elektra, especially if you're jumping from Netflix to the MCU, because some people are going to be like it's alright.
Speaker 2:They used Dragon Bones the last time. There's no explanation that they can't work around.
Speaker 1:Defenders is the craziest show because it mixes Jessica Jones' real world PI stuff with Danny Rand's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the best part of that is that they all act within the confines of the lore of their own TV show. Jessica Jones is like get lost. What do you mean? You're blind and you're Daredevil. Get out of here, Nice horns, idiot. Luke Cage is just like I'm Luke Cage, I'm bulletproof, I'm bulletproof, I'm bulletproof. Everyone's like Iron Fist, shut up. Yo.
Speaker 1:Remember when Jameis from Dune was in the Defenders. Sigourney Weaver was in that. Yo, that was crazy dog. I can't believe she was in there.
Speaker 2:Stick called the Iron Fist a thundering dumbass Bring him back.
Speaker 1:That's who I want back Stick.
Speaker 2:You know what? That's a great point. Stick should be in this. He died yeah, he died. He got beheaded yeah, it's tough to come back from.
Speaker 1:But not impossible, but not impossible Not impossible Stick comes back.
Speaker 2:I spent my whole life believing in the impossible, and then one day I?
Speaker 1:No. No, don't give Stick his own intro. No, give Punisher his own intro, like classic CW voiceover intro. Yes, my name is Frank Castle and my family's dead.
Speaker 2:My bad man. See, that's another thing. Him and Hawkeye can bond over.
Speaker 1:What do you mean? Oh well, okay. So one of the last points I want to make, because I want to run through the rest of the two. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we gotta stop talking about Daredevil. Because we're going to talk about.
Speaker 1:Daredevil a stupid amount until we get to the point. Plenty of time to talk about Daredevil. One of the best moments out of the multiversal saga was when Monica came back after the snap. Do you remix that scene with Matt coming back after? Like with Matt, because did they say he was alive during that whole time or did he get snapped? They've never said. I would kill for a scene for all of his senses going off when half the world comes back all at the same time. I would kill for that. That would be such a crazy scene to kind of pull off Sensory overload. Yeah, he would get sensory overload.
Speaker 2:The Punisher would just be like another day in the office.
Speaker 1:Yep. More people to kill, More of Central City's finest for me to slaughter?
Speaker 2:No you know, what would be actually funny for the Punisher Is if he got snapped in the middle of gunning down.
Speaker 1:No, no, no no.
Speaker 2:Like he got snapped in the middle of gunning down a gang and then he came back to a different gang. I thought you were going to say innocent people in a park.
Speaker 1:That would also be funny.
Speaker 2:No, he got snatched mid like machine gun firing. I'm trying to like punish her. Shoots up a kindergarten, no it can't be a school shooter, the original school shooter. Many are saying no, that would be pretty great. He just comes back and he's just right back at it.
Speaker 1:I can't wait to see it, because they're going to do the Oppenheimer thing with him, where he cuts his hair and then he gets his suit back and they're going to play the Oppenheimer music too.
Speaker 2:Oh, punisher, uh-huh. Well, he's only appeared in the proper Punisher get-up once, uh-huh, and it was at the end of the Punisher.
Speaker 1:Season 2. What was he wearing at the end of Daredevil Season 2? It was close, but I don't think it was close.
Speaker 2:He had like a. He had the jacket.
Speaker 1:He looked more of like the Punisher movies than anything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Whereas like the end of Punisher Season 2, he had the long coat with the big skull, the machine guns, hey.
Speaker 1:Hey.
Speaker 2:Boy, they should have made the Punisher version. Needless to say, we're very excited for Daredevil when it comes out.
Speaker 1:It has consummate meme potential, and I don't know why that makes me even more excited.
Speaker 2:The Last of Us. We've talked about this plenty. It's another thing that we've talked heaps about. I think we even talked about the trailer last week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we did, but new trailer that they dropped and it showed off Abby a little bit more.
Speaker 2:I mean the show. It's going to break everybody's heart. Yeah, it's going to be controversial. Oh my god.
Speaker 1:You know what we're excited. That's it. I don't even really want to dip into this one too much because it's going to make me mad. The fallout from whatever this season's going to be.
Speaker 2:We're going to be like we're going to be fighting a battle um for quite a while for the entirety of this run. You chose the wrong side, um, but yes, we are very excited for the last of us, unabashedly looks phenomenal, phenomenal.
Speaker 1:This, this show looks. The production value is just it's off the charts. Yeah, craig maize and neil druckman, all the actors on the show just you want to talk about straight cooking like this is what, this is what we're talking about. And everybody shut up that bella ramsey just shut up.
Speaker 2:It's so crazy again that's like another stupid thing that people are mad about. I just I don't get it, um. But yeah, this is another. This is a shorter season seven episodes, um, purposefully, I think, starting in april. So there will be some last of us daredevil crossover, yes, um, obviously not coming out on the same days because last of us will be out on sundays. But, um, yeah, I mean I'm not. What else can I say? This is, we're looking forward to this, um, jeffrey, I'm excited I keep saying this, but the idea that they got jeffrey right to come back, um, hopefully means that there's going to be a lot of, a lot of isaac, um wlf stuff going on, um in in season two, which, again, like I said, that's, that's the perfect grounding mechanism for um abby yep, so really, looking forward to it.
Speaker 1:Yep, you gotta humanize her as much as you can like. If you can turn her into like the most, like, I'm telling you, man, give, give, find your most charismatic actor and cast him dude, make her as lovable and make that dynamic as lovable as possible. Have it get ripped right from under you. And then you're like oh, wait a minute.
Speaker 2:Yep, yeah, that's 100% what you have to do. Where do we now, where do we want it? Now? The forum kind of opens up that we got those two things out of the way. Let's talk about Andor. Yeah yeah, yeah, andor man, I can't wait for this thing.
Speaker 1:I'm so man. I started kicking a few weeks ago because I'm kind of committed to. Daredevil, for now also comes out in April. At some point we're going to have Andor, daredevil and Last of Us running all at the same time that's a good world to live in. That's a potent mix.
Speaker 2:Get Steven Lang and Daredevil, by the way, doing what I don't know.
Speaker 1:Get them in there but I mean this Andor setup looks very well done. Get Steven Lang and Daredevil, by the way, I don't know Doing what, I don't know Get them in there. But I mean this Andor setup looks very well done. I mean, the biggest thing that you're going to ask for out of this too, is you're going to want, you've got to prove the one-trick pony isn't real. It's funny, because when you're so strong narratively, it's A when you're so strong narratively and B when you come the heck out of nowhere and be that good. Now you have a bit of a target on your back, because then it's going to ask is this only once? Is this going to be? But I just feel like, trust the process. Who's the showrunner on this? Tony Gilroy, yeah, tony Gilroy, the legend. Just give Tonyilroy the legend, give. Just give tony gilroy the keys to the castle as well too. At lucasfilm, the absolute an absolute legend man you want to.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, I get chills talking about andor and I mean it was the perfect contrast, because you look at something like you, look at something like the accolade, and then you look at something like andor and you're like one of you has the things that people like about star wars, but but the other one has the message of what Star Wars is. So why hasn't anybody been able to figure out how to mix those and I know I keep talking about it, but the Jedi game has probably been one of the only ones to mix those two like the best it's been in the modern day.
Speaker 1:Yep, and then I mean I mean of course the only, the not only challenge, but the biggest challenge I would say this show faces is obviously this is the season that has to tie into Rogue One, but what better season to do that than when?
Speaker 2:you have Ben Mendelsohn back. Yep, ben Mendelsohn's coming back as Krennic. We already know that Alan Tudyk is coming in. I guess would you say he's returning as K-2SO. He's arriving as K-2SO, it's a prequel, but he's also returning to the character. So I don't know Semantics there's going to be. It's going to be sectioned off, similar to season one, whereas every three episodes is going to be like a self-contained kind of arc, and then the time is going to jump after every three, which I think is probably the best way to handle it as far as getting it to bleed into Rogue One and I mean they laid a lot of the character groundwork for Cassian in Season 1, so I feel like you can get away with that, with doing a time jump. We kind of we get why after Season 1 of Andor, we understand why he's doing what he's doing. So now you can kind of just be like three episode arc, three episode arc, three episode arc, three episode arc, row one yep, and it'll make sense. So I'm I'm really looking forward to it um.
Speaker 2:That show is back is luthan yep, some of I mean some of the best writing that star wars has ever gosh ever had, even the, even the cast rolling throughout these episodes.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, oh, like from you know evan moss bachrock to you. The biggest surprise cameo from Andy Serkis, who delivered one of the best monologues I've ever heard.
Speaker 2:Genevieve O'Reilly was great as Mothma Mm-hmm. So even Buddy, the friggin' Deputy Inspector, guy Yep.
Speaker 1:He was really good and down to the kid that was in End of the F-ing World. Yeah, that monologue that he gave. He did Star Wars. He described Star Wars to the T Where's Beaks, where's Beaks. Forrest Whitaker was in this. Yeah, he was, but he wasn't the best he'd ever been. Yeah, because he wasn't doing a weird voice. Yeah, he the best he'd ever been. Yeah, because he wasn't doing a weird voice. He was just sad about the rebellion. What was he doing in Rogue One? I don't know. Man Vocalic knows the truth. It's still a good movie. It's a great movie.
Speaker 2:But what was he cooking? What was Forrest Whitaker cooking in that movie? I don't know man. So yeah, andor, I'm really, really excited for when else are we going to go here?
Speaker 1:Stranger Things. Yeah, we can talk Stranger Things for a little bit. I mean, this show is kind of it's an interesting. It's not only an interesting place for the show, it's an interesting place for Netflix too, because I find it so mind-boggling that there's so much time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, people are kind of like at this point with Season 5 of Stranger Things. It feels like the consensus is like wrap it up, yep, like come on.
Speaker 1:Like we're kind of over this, Bobby.
Speaker 2:Brown's married. Yeah, like we're kind of over this. There's so much stuff that's happened. Yeah, this is. It's a dangerous place and not dangerous in terms of the upside down, it just shows in a really tricky situation.
Speaker 1:Yep, I mean, you have so many things that can work against us right now, the age of the the time is the biggest offender here, Unfortunately for real-world implication. The second biggest offense is what's his name?
Speaker 2:Noah Schnapp, it's Noah.
Speaker 1:Schnapp. These are some big things that need to be addressed because that's immediately going to be a talking point as soon as the season comes out. People are going to want him killed, that character killed off, immediately, that's a problem.
Speaker 1:That's a big uphill battle, but I, I want to, I want to other, you know, flip this the other way, and squid games was kind of the thing that I was just like people care about squid games too. It's been, it's been so long, and then it was the number one most watched thing in netflix history. I was like oh yeah, they still care, which tells me I think, when this season comes out, people are gonna be like oh yeah, we're back.
Speaker 2:Like yeah, as soon as we get like a proper trailer and like the, the, oh my god, um, I think I think people will turn around, but it just feels like there's stranger things, fatigue setting in, um, and I mean we talked about the season four in one of our episodes. It's the best season.
Speaker 1:It's phenomenal, it's the best that it's, that it's like four in one kind of battle. But I think four, four has this driving force that goes along with it.
Speaker 2:That, I think, really hammers it home. It's the best. It's the best any of them have ever been.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's the, oh, the acting is off the charts from everybody, from everybody Finn. Off the charts from everybody, finn.
Speaker 2:Wolfhard, let's not. You know how I feel about that character. Yeah, you really have beef with Finn Wolfhard no no, no, I have beef with Mike Wheeler as a character. I don't have beef with Finn Wolfhard.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's the most one-dimensional character to be the main.
Speaker 2:He regressed.
Speaker 1:He regressed from season one, and he was the main character of that show.
Speaker 2:He was probably the best that they've been. Obviously, it got a show-stealing performance from Joseph Quinn. David Harbour was as great as always, the music was great as always, but that story, the story was tremendous.
Speaker 1:Vekta easily the best villain they did the three-fold reveal in the last episode, I was like my mind's being blown right now. This is insane.
Speaker 2:Vekta, a villain so good that he's returning for season five, and that's not something that show does.
Speaker 1:That show usually gets creative with what the next thing is going to be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Vekta might be returning, eddie might also be returning. Well, it depends. I mean, joseph Quinn's star has ascended astronomically since he was in the show, so who knows if he was even available? Right, the guy's been busy. Yeah, he has been busy. Busy between major projects. Yeah, I mean, he did A Quiet Place movie, he did Gladiator, he's doing Fantastic Four, yep, so who knows? So, yeah, stranger Things. Like I said, it's in a tricky spot, but obviously once we get that first trailer, all will be right, I think, and people will be like oh no, actually the show is phenomenal.
Speaker 1:You want to switch gears into some Game of Thrones?
Speaker 2:Yes, I would love to. Yes, the third Game of Thrones-averse show, one that I'm really looking forward to, in lieu of House of the Dragon, will be coming out next year, 2026. So we're getting A Night of the Seven Kingdoms, which I'm really looking forward to. It's going to be shorter, on the shorter side compared to all the other shows. This one's only going to be six episodes chronicling the story of Duncan Egg, which is your classic guy takes a kid on a journey story if it ain't broke, don't fix it if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Speaker 2:Um, and a lot of kind of unknown actors. Um, which invokes historically what the show, these shows have done. Um, it doesn't even have the. It doesn't even have the. What House of the Dragon and Game of Thrones had, which was like the really notable person. Game of Thrones had Sean Bean, obviously to buoy that first season. House of the Dragon had Matt Smith and Risa Fonz, kind of buoying, and Patty Considine in some circles, british circles the show doesn't really have that. The show has a lot of uh, a lot of unknowns, a lot of british actors and the perfect show to put jude law in dude.
Speaker 2:That would have been great, um, but yeah, I'm looking forward to it. That universe is still great. I mean, the production of all these throne shows is sensational and this show is coming out in just as late 2025. Which is fine. It's obviously not going to clash with Last of Us. No, it'll probably occupy similar time frame. That House of Dragons occupied, like that mid-summer Into.
Speaker 1:August or August into like September yeah, so I would.
Speaker 2:I would expect that and I'm looking forward to it more. More Thrones is always a good thing and that movie is coming, which I still haven't wrapped my head around that should we dip into some of the Marvel stuff we can we can talk.
Speaker 1:Do you want to save Marvel for last?
Speaker 2:I guess we can. We can talk more you. Do you want to save marvel for last? I guess we can save marvel for last because it's got the most stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we can. I mean I'll just throw it. I'll throw an interesting one on you.
Speaker 1:I kind of want to talk percy jackson season yeah, I definitely want to, for sure that was super, I mean, and we kind of saw from the first promos and the first trailers for for season one like and I am, I was such a big percy jackson kid growing up that that that one meant something. This means something to me just how I imagined. I think about it this way, the same way when you were watching Harry Potter growing up, that's literally exactly how I felt. Watching Percy Jackson, that felt like it felt tried and true. Walker Scoble I mean he is he's on the ascent.
Speaker 2:He's going to be great.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to be surprised if one of these major studios pick him up to do something as well too, and it's the same thing as Harry Potter. We're going to see this story keep evolving and keep progressing and add more characters. They already added Tyson into the season for Sea of Monsters, because that's what they're doing, and I love the the approach.
Speaker 2:Each season is one of the books like so a great way to adapt a, a novel series right.
Speaker 1:So obviously we're going to dip into sea of monsters and then, like, by the time we get to the next season for season three because, uh, that season came out, what 2023, 2025, so 2027 you're looking about, they're going to be like 18 19 by that time. Like that's when you can start to like you're gonna do titan's curse and like that's when that franchise starts to really kind of flip a little bit and like you kind of feel the weight of like the olympian which is typical for for a young adult book series um.
Speaker 1:The third one is where um alfonso cuaron said what if we did cinema in the, in the high repotter movie?
Speaker 2:so yeah, yeah, that's typically what happens with these young adult series. Is the first couple are. You know, these things age up with their audience. Which is the best way to do it? Um, obviously, again, this is another series that's marred by an unfortunate passion of a beloved actor, um lance riddick, and we even said it when we watched it we're god what I would have given to get it's one of those performances that's so like striking well yeah, lance riddick just had a presence. Man, yeah, he did.
Speaker 1:It's one of those ingenious pieces. Lance Riddick as Zeus is something you wouldn't overtly think.
Speaker 2:Recast with Courtney B Vance.
Speaker 1:That's a great recast. Legendary television actor.
Speaker 2:Probably maybe most known For being Angela Bassett's husband Winning Primetime Emmy probably maybe most known For being Angela Bassett's husband, For being Angela Bassett's husband Winning Primetime Emmy for Outstanding Lead Actor in a Limited Series, where he portrayed Johnny Cochran in the People vs OJ Simpson, which he's fantastic in. He also won the Emmy for Outstanding Guest Actor in a Drama Series in Lovecraft, Pantry. Oh my God, yeah, and like you said, he is married to Angela Bassett. So, yeah, I think again recasts I can't imagine a tougher job, honestly, for both the actor being inserted into the role and for the casting director.
Speaker 1:It's a tough job, man. We didn't even talk about the rumor that T'Challa's possibly going to be recast in the MCU and they're looking for somebody to.
Speaker 2:I don't know if we're clear, if it's going to be a recast or if it's going to be the son aged up.
Speaker 1:It all depends, because at this point you're going to have to. You would do the son aged up. No, I feel like that's the only it.
Speaker 2:It's just a shame that we talked ad nauseum for Black Panther 2, how good Letitia Wright was, so just, I don't know, and it's one of those things where, if you go online and you'll see, I see so much hate for Black Panther 2, and I've never.
Speaker 1:I don't get it. It's almost like they didn't watch the same movie that we watched. I find it so insane every time I see that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's pretty wild, but yeah, going back to Percy Jackson, yeah, I'm really looking forward to it. Yeah, the trio of kids that they have are great.
Speaker 1:They're great together. Obviously, disney has to allocate budget so many different places and obviously there's two factions that get the get the brunt of it. Three, if you want to count like your, if you want to count like your Disney princess kind of portion of everything and like their live action remakes of everything. So, like the more this show is successful, like the more like resources are going to get put into it. So like the budget's going to go up. It's only going to help this show too. But this show gets carried by good performances. I love the relationship between him and his mother in the first season. It was really well done too, and the show has stakes. I love that. That's one piece that I love Remember in season one where Poseidon shows up and I'm like, wow, I actually felt that he did and it's such a switch because it's like no, no, no, percy, I do actually care about you, I do love you. It's not that simple, yeah.
Speaker 2:Imagine if Lance Reddick was your uncle. It'd be great. I would love that Invincible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, invincible's got some making up to do and a funny way of thinking about it. For sure they have some graces to get back a little bit.
Speaker 2:We're getting that show in a month. Yeah, less than a month.
Speaker 1:We're going to get Invincible. We're getting that show in two weeks. We are getting it in two weeks. Yeah, so you're going to have Invincible, daredevil, last of Us and or possibly all running at the same time, depending on Invincible's how many episodes they have. Let's say, invincible has nine episodes, eight episodes. It's probably going to be around like we might get a week where it's like five different shows at the same time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's pretty wild. Yeah, but no to your point. I think we both really like season two, but it also was just marred. That break crushed that show man.
Speaker 1:And that second season had some real energy and pace to it, like kind of the reveal they were waiting on from season two. I was like, wow, we really got some energy going into this one man. And then just a break out of nowhere, like something had to have happened. Yeah so man, to have happened. Yeah so man. It was such a derailment too, and wasn't something else running at the same time that everybody kind of took their attention off of it. Wasn't Ahsoka, was it? It was.
Speaker 2:It was yeah, they were both working at the same time and Ahsoka had the aura of Star Wars over it. Had the aura of Star Wars and of the Clone Wars yeah. Like the Clone Wars.
Speaker 1:You know, like you bring Hayden Christensen back, it's like dang dude, like you had us man, yeah, but I think they can make up for it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, the quality of Invincible is second to none.
Speaker 1:That didn't drop from season two, it's just the train and the energy just left.
Speaker 2:I mean, that finale is an all-timer. That finale is nuts. I thought you were stronger. That's an all-timer. That's a finale that people will remember. We're going to get properly into the Invincible multiverse stuff which is great. You thought that story couldn't get crazier. It does get crazier.
Speaker 1:It does get crazier.
Speaker 2:What did Spider-Ham say in Spider-Verse? It does get weirder. It does get weirder.
Speaker 1:Just to rapid fire a few non-franchise shows before we dip into the Marvel area of all the shows. Severance Season 2 just started, just kicked off 100% on Rotten Tomatoes. This is apparently one of the best seasons of television from the people that have seen it, yep. Um, I expected nothing less from that, from from Ben Stiller and from that cast and from that show runner. Like severance is such this lightning in a bottle like interesting cons, like it's the definition of pulling off an interesting concept of. Like somebody wrote on their computer 20 years ago and never got. Like that is the best version of it. So I'm so glad this show is successful. Like I'm gonna die on the hill that apple tv's television department is just on some otherworldly movement. Um, you go to foundation. You go to ted lasso. You go to severance. Um, you go to shrinking. Yeah, you go to godzilla. Like they have some phenomenal television rocking. Yeah, the studio that was one that I saw the trailer and I was immediately in on that. I mean A24 produced Comedy series, comedy series, but I feel like it's going to have a lot of dramedy in it.
Speaker 1:To the comedy yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. Seth Rogen looks incredible. I'm not going to be surprised if he makes a run at an emmy as well too. That's how good that looked too like a real live, look like a satire real life. It's like, it's like, it's like succession, but the but hollywood, which I really appreciate. So, um, katherine han is in this phenomenal, phenomenal idea. Yeah, um, I'm gonna die on my, my wicked rant real quick. Wicked Love, wicked.
Speaker 2:I thought you said Wicken.
Speaker 1:No, oh, I mean, it's because Catherine Han has to do with this. I love Michelle Yeoh. I love Michelle Yeoh so much. I think Michelle Yeoh is only in Wicked because she was Michelle Yeoh in 2022. You know who would have been better? I forget her character's name. You know who would have been better as I forget her character's name if Catherine Han would have played Michelle Yeoh's character in Wicked, some otherworldly movement would have happened in a movie that was already incredible. That's my Wicked rant for the day. Chad Powers with Glenn Powell. That was one that popped up that I'm really keen to check out. That's going to be one of those non-shows that I'm like week to week. This is the funniest thing that I was that I was really keen to check out. Like that's going to be one of those non shows that I'm like wow, I'm like week to week, I'm going to be like this is the funniest thing that I'm watching right now. Like a lot of people are going to be into that as well, too.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Simple concept. They took the Eli Manning when he went to the um, when he went to the Penn state practice and he was outplaying everybody Incredible. And then Glenn Powell's going to give a good performance like he always does.
Speaker 1:Of course, and then I'll finish off with, obviously, this is I love Daredevil. This, truthfully, is my most anticipated show of the year. It's the Bear, season 4. I think it is otherworldly television. I will still bold stick claim it Once it's all said and done. This is going gonna get mentioned in the same breath as, like your sopranos and like your, your long form, running tv shows like this is some of the best television you will ever find I agree point blank.
Speaker 1:It is absolutely incredible. It is it's it's crass, it's it's fast paced, but also it's it's somber. It is like some of those drama scenes that they have in the bill like I love how the bear season. One's like it's somber, some of those drama scenes that they have in the, I love how the Bear Season. One's like it's this comedy about these. And then you're like wait, where'd the comedy go? The comedy's gone. Wait a minute, where's the comedy you guys were talking about? You're talking about one of the best leading men in Hollywood right now from a character perspective, future Star Wars actor. It's so weird. Um, I mean Jeremy Allen White as Carmi Berzato is. Just, it is one of the single best performances that I've ever seen in my entire life and it always will be. Until the day that I die, that performance will always ring true to me. So let's talk Marvel. Let's stop talking about good talent. No.
Speaker 2:I? Let's talk Marvel, let's stop talking about good talent.
Speaker 1:No, I'm kidding. Yeah, let's talk about what brought us to the dance Eyes of Wakanda has the potential to be really cool. I think so.
Speaker 2:I think that show's got a little bit of sign me up for anything that Ryan Coogler's involved with.
Speaker 1:Yep, I keep saying that it's got a little bit of something in that something, if you know what I mean, like it's got a little bit of some energy to it. Yep, I agree. I think that's also a good example of let the creators cook.
Speaker 2:I feel like they let them, kind of like you guys, do what you gotta do Black Panther's in such a wild spot in the MCU because it does feel like almost separate from everything else. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:Which is kind of crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it might work to the advantage. I can see this playing as like a more serious, not serious. Chris Williams is in this, I'm in. It's the best show ever. Next, it's the best show ever Marvel Zombies. Tvma's Marvel Zombies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, four parts. They're going to release this thing around Halloween, right.
Speaker 1:Sure, sure. If you don't have a Halloween thing to do, I guess Marvel Zombies makes the most sense you have to.
Speaker 2:I mean, where else are you gonna put it?
Speaker 1:it's like a weird what if? Adjacent thing. Yeah, just, it's the last ditch effort of what if one day we'll talk about. What if we might have to talk about, what if season three at some point?
Speaker 1:yeah I guess we should. You can't do what ifs about underdeveloped characters. I think that's the number one gripe I have with that season. Those characters were undercooked before you did what-if scenarios for them. Yeah, right, so you got Eyes of Wakanda. You got Marvel Zombies, your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man, which comes out in a week, yeah, and that first trailer. I'm like it was literally like first you had my curiosity, but now you have my attention Like I'll tune in. Yeah.
Speaker 2:They could have some fun. Yeah, I mean, as far as animation goes, I mean obviously X-Men 97 is the gold standard, right, that's like the spectrum they're on, it's like X-Men 97, and then, like, I mean, I guess they've really only done like X-Men 97, and what? If so, obviously you want to start filling out that spectrum. I expect Eyes of Wakanda to be closer to the X-Men 97 quality, just because of Ryan Coogler's involvement. He developed and executive produced it. So I feel like it's going to be really great. I would expect Marvel's obvious to probably be somewhere in the middle, sure, sure, and then the Spider-Man series it could be on that higher spectrum. I think, um, you know, if it's just a fun kind of alternate universe, is it an alternate?
Speaker 2:I don't know it has to be right not necessarily because we can't have.
Speaker 1:Yeah, nico menorah kind of ruins the whole thing.
Speaker 2:I mean Daredevil also kind of ruins the whole thing also Does it? Who said Peter didn't run into him? The Norman Osborn thing is kind of wild. Is it because he's black? No, I think Coleman Domingo is. I think Coleman Domingo should just be Norman Osborn.
Speaker 1:I said the same thing as soon as the guy said wait, just also make him just MCU. Norman Osborn.
Speaker 2:Peter Parker, 15-year-old freshman in Midtown High School, gains spider-like abilities. It doesn't really say anything about. It says Norman Osborn is Parker's mentor and man in the chair. Chairman noted that Norman is not a hero like Tony Stark and his methods may not turn out in everyone's best interest. Nico Minoru, harry Osborn, otto Octavius yeah, apparently Doctor Strange is in this too. Amadeus Cho is in this thing. That's pretty cool. Speed Demon is in this. What Venom is apparently in this? Best's pretty cool. Speed demon is in this. What venom is?
Speaker 1:apparently in this best show ever, let it be tom hardy too jerks uh, iron man is in this, kirk connors is in this.
Speaker 2:uh, scorpion rhino cool, um. So okay. So we're getting the first two episodes on the day, then the week after we're getting the first two episodes on the day, then the week after we're getting the next three episodes, then the following three episodes after that and then the final two. So it's going to be quick maths two, three, five, eight, ten episodes within four weeks. Okay, interesting release model it is, but I think for animated I think that works. That's fine.
Speaker 1:You kind of play with animated a little bit more than you can live action yeah.
Speaker 2:X-Men 97 was a special case where that show was so good and the hook at the end of every episode was like I gotta see the X-Men. You can't do this to me. So, yeah, I think that show, I'm excited for that show. Live action.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's talk about Wonder man first, because we have the least of it, we have almost nothing. But so I guess the rumor is that this is going to be like a satire show, uh-huh. But like, listen, didn't we kind of think that, okay, if you're going to do the satire thing again, don't overcomplicate it. You can approach it as the satire, but still make him Wonder man, still give him the Wonder man powers. Still do Grim Reaper, still do all of those things. Yes, don't run away from it just to do something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, don't make the whole thing a satire.
Speaker 1:He's just making a show about being a superhero. No, no, no, make him actual, like and don't make like because they can do it like it's just a tv show, but his brother's an actual serial killer in real life named the no, no, do the comic book stuff. Don't back out now like. Make him actual simon williams. Throw him in the love triangle with vision and scarlet witch too. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, yeah, i'm-mateen pulled up on me like that and that happened, and like I'd be like bro, you gotta leave because I can't have you coming on to my girl like that. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2:Vision would have to kill him. Actually, you have a bonafide potential superstar. Yeah, you do Now in your stable.
Speaker 1:And what's the MCU kind of looking for right now? You're looking for like some absolute star power to a movie level too. Like you put Simon Williams like Yahya Abdul-Mateen. Simon Williams, like that guy can garner some looks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's also going to be in the. He's also the lead in the man on Fire reboot.
Speaker 1:That's good, that's good stuff.
Speaker 2:Guy Abdul-Mateen in Star Wars. See that guy playing a heck of a Sith yeah, that'd be great. I'm looking forward to seeing more of that show yeah, and what it's actually going to be, because I think he's great. Evan Peters is in this show yeah, and Ben Kingsley is in this yeah, remember when Ben Kingsley was playing Gandhi and he was in Schindler's List.
Speaker 1:Now he's in Wonder man on Disney+.
Speaker 2:Now he's in Wonder man. Hollywood comes at you fast. Good for him, though I guess we're going to kind of end on. Ironheart. Yeah, I mean, I guess this is the kind of besides Daredevil, this is the one that is the most, maybe not most anticipated, but it's the most like, uh, intriguing, sure, in the sense that there's a lot of moving parts with this with this show.
Speaker 1:Well, I told you what I think my theory was is that this movie or the show was always supposed to have kang in it, like this show was also always supposed to have jonathan majors be, like the, the true villain of the show. That would make sense. And they had to supposed to have Kang in it. This show was also always supposed to have Jonathan Majors be the true villain of the show. That's why this show. They shot this show years ago. This show's been shot for the longest time. It just never came out. We were like why?
Speaker 2:The character hasn't been seen in three years.
Speaker 1:I genuinely think it's because Kang was supposed to be. Victor Timely was in Loki Season 2. Because Kang was supposed to be like because Victor Timely was in Loki season two, who was it going to be? It was going to be. What's his name it was going to be? I forget his CEO version of himself. Who knows? He's got all the variants. What's the funniest variant? He could have been to go against Remy Williams, the Egyptian one, oh my god, ramatut. Imagine they accidentally like mix, because then you know that informs a whole bunch of stuff. I know we talked about this like the easiest layup was to do, like if you could do a mortise in something you can like, you can do. Obviously Ramatut would have been the perfect counter for Moon Knight and all those pantheonic gods of like wait, they're not actually using magic.
Speaker 2:That's technology. Kanji was like hang on a second, that's not magic, mark. Mark, kick his ass. Mark, he's got tech.
Speaker 1:I can't do that, he's kicking my ass, Kanji he's using my own Moon Knight weapons against me. Now he's Molly weapons Kanji's like well.
Speaker 2:I told you to do it and you didn't. If you die, Mark, I can just bring you back.
Speaker 1:With your other consciousness, because you have trauma.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was all Moon Knight was. That was a fun show. I don't care what anyone says. They had us in the first half. I like that show. I like Khonshu. I like what he's about.
Speaker 1:Khonshu really doesn't play games. That's not his MO. No, he's just a prick. He is. He's the worst. He's actually like a jerk.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the worst. That's the worst I know, but that's the best thing about him. He's just unabashedly like a prick. He's just a mean guy. He's like where's Mark? Get out of here, yeah. Get lost fooling Stupid. They're like whoa, get out of here, yeah.
Speaker 1:You're a figment of his imagination.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not, no, I'm not. By the way, jake Lockley's also here. Yeah, he's my favorite Moon Knight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because he'll murder anybody. I ask him to no questions asked. He's the most broken.
Speaker 2:Imagine Frank Castle as Moon Knight no dude, yo. How come Contra didn't look at Frank Castle Like Ghost Rider? Spirit of Vengeance should be like.
Speaker 1:Well, that's what I'm saying. Galactic should come down and be like Listen, at the end of the day, as long as I can give this guy some power, cosmic.
Speaker 2:The Spirit of Vengeance would love to make Frank Castle Ghost Rider. No, he wouldn't.
Speaker 1:He'd be afraid of him. Don't you think that's a little too much? Isn't that a too much vengeance? Is there such a thing as too much vengeance in the Spirit of Vengeance? What were we talking about, ironhide?
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay anyway, because we were talking about Kang, we got distracted. Riri Williams yeah, I like her. I like Dominique Thorne a lot Again. I just don't think she should have been in Black Panther 2. That was a studio insert.
Speaker 1:Of course, that was a studio insert by far. And here's this weird subplot Like Namor being like. Get me that.
Speaker 2:American scientist from Marvel Comics. Immediately it did give us the rawest visceral reaction that I've ever gotten out of a crowd. That subplot is when Atuma pulls Okoye into the spear and everyone went ooh yeah, oh shit.
Speaker 1:Yo, that was crazy, yo, they were cooking it. How do you watch that movie? And you're like it was no.
Speaker 2:That final fight scene is tremendous. Oh my god, Between Namor and Shuri. It's great. Anthony channel favorite, Anthony Ramos is in this movie, Yep as the hood Twister's legend, Anthony Ramos. I love.
Speaker 1:Anthony Ramos. Lin-manuel Miranda's, hamilton's Anthony Ramos.
Speaker 2:He's good at everything. Yeah, he is, he is. I'm a big fan. Alden Einreich is in this and he's not playing Obadiah's son, no, he's playing Joe McGillicuddy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's playing Iron man.
Speaker 2:He's playing Obadiah's son. Yeah, don't play. Iron man Sacha Baron Cohen is in this. Oh, that's right, I forgot about that. Well, he's going to be. Don't say he's playing Mephisto. We're not doing Mephisto talk again. We're not doing this. What if he is, though? Not this time, and that's?
Speaker 1:who's informing the hood? Mephisto, yeah, because isn't this whole show supposed to be science versus Science versus, or technology versus magic?
Speaker 2:Where's Agatha Harkness? What's she doing? Why is the Hood the villain of this? Why not? Who else is it going to be? Iron man, evil, iron man, oh.
Speaker 1:Invincible Iron man from another universe.
Speaker 2:Superior Iron man.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, he would have just murdered.
Speaker 2:Riri, I think that leans more to your Kang point, though that Kang was supposed to be in this, because he's kind of like a mixture of mysticism and science. I mean, he's mostly science, but there's a little bit of mysticism in there, whatever Thor was yapping about in Thor 1. You know who Mysterio should have been in this, are you?
Speaker 1:saying that because of what If? Or are you saying that in general? In general, that would have been fun, I mean, I think that's why they did that. What if? Like that? Because they are kind of two Tony Stark adjacent counters to each other, like one's the evil half of I hate you and the other one's fangirl I love you. So it kind of works.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think this show could be good, though it's a treat it looks pretty decent Like look wise.
Speaker 1:Like it does look pretty decent, which I was kind of worried about it actually looks polished, don't Iron man?
Speaker 2:3. This either. Have her in the suit for most of it. Sure sure Like let her just do Ironheart stuff. Yeah, why not? They gave her like an Iron man 1 looking suit right In this. Yeah, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1:Well, my fear is that they're going to. It's the same fear I have for Captain America. That like, hey, can we not forget who the main character of this thing is, because I know you're trying to do some stuff, but don't forget.
Speaker 2:I guess that's a good point, like how much of how much Tony Stark is going to be in this, not like obviously not the character, don't? He's not doing it. He didn't come back as Doctor Doom just to do Ironheart. That would be the funniest thing. He actually did do Ironheart. I'm so passionate about Ironheart. He said I'll be Doctor Doom, but you gotta put me in Ironheart first. Yeah, yeah, really.
Speaker 2:He's like yeah, he's like I fucking love Ironheart. Now here's a character that's just you don't want to show up in Armor Wars. He's like nah, no, don Cheadle's like that was my friend man.
Speaker 1:You know who the villain should be Don Cheadle. No Funnier Skrull Don Cheadle.
Speaker 2:No, keep going. Nick Fury, terrence Howard.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, terrence Howard should have played the Hood. No, Terrence Howard should have played an alternate universe war machine, or maybe Rodi's the alternate, or maybe Don Cheadle's the alternate universe War Machine.
Speaker 2:One Million Scrolls. Talos, I don't know mine.
Speaker 1:That's my bad mind.
Speaker 2:If that bridge wasn't completely burned, I could see a world where Terrence Howard would be back in the MCU at some point. Yeah, but that bridge got burned. Man, that would have been hilarious if he would have came back as Doctor Doom and sniped it from Robert Downey Jr Takes off the mask and it's Darren Towers. Hall H goes crazy.
Speaker 1:Possibly more crazy.
Speaker 2:But no, I think, ironheart, I'm looking forward to it. I do wonder how much of the Black Panther stuff is going to be incorporated into the show. I hope like 1%.
Speaker 1:I hope it's as least as possible. And again to your point, she should have never been in Black Panther. Yeah, because like it takes away the punch of, like it takes away the Kamala Khan punch that you got out of the first episode of Ms Marvel also didn't she give the suit back? Well, she's going to make her own suit. But again, the point I'm making, it takes away the punch of Miss Marvel getting her first debut in Miss Marvel. It took away that initial punch, like that charismatic punch. You can get it.
Speaker 2:Because she's just going to do Ironheart anyway.
Speaker 1:But like I trust Dominic Thor back to be like she's really good, so I feel like she can make up for it as well.
Speaker 2:Oh shit, you ain't Maurice, you're the Punisher, you're Ironheart, you're not Ironman. No, do the line from Black Panther 2. Oh shit, she got an Ironman suit. I love that guy.
Speaker 1:That's the craziest guy in the city.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm really curious about what's gonna. Is she gonna talk about that at all? Has she fought?
Speaker 1:Namor. Well, she gets kicked out of school, right, that's the thing she gets expelled.
Speaker 2:Yeah for doing Black Panther.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, she got back and they were in her dorm room. The Dean was in her dorm room shaking his head.
Speaker 2:She didn't want to go to Wakanda. She didn't want to go to Wakanda. You can Wakanda forever. Your ass right out of MIT. The Dean is returning. The Dean's a returning character. What, yeah, from Captain America Civil War, that was the Dean. I just thought that was a guy. No, that was the Dean of MIT. That wasn't the Dean of MIT. You mean the guy that was in Community yeah, that was interrupting. That was introduced to Tony Stark. That wasn't the Dean of MIT.
Speaker 1:He was overshadowed by Tony Stark's aura. No, he wasn't the dean of the school. Yes, he was. He was just a guy. No, he was the dean of the school, yo, you being the dean of the most prestigious school in America. And then Tony Stark walking by, you're like hey, I had an idea for a toaster that does.
Speaker 2:Imagine Downey does show up. He's not going to well, he could do the little voice hologram thingy, isn't that? The whole thing about ironheart, though, is that yes, he's her jarvis. Yes, so they gotta. Are they gonna do anything with that? Are they gonna do anything?
Speaker 1:with her and tony, no, no, and that you, I mean obviously reaver wasn't a character in 2013. I can't remember when she debuted in comics.
Speaker 2:It's 2016.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so she wasn't a character in 2013. But obviously Disney Plus wasn't a thing until 2019, 2020. So obviously you couldn't do anything like that yet.
Speaker 2:You know what you could do to tie it into Iron man, though you could make her kind of like a recipient of whatever that scholarship was that Pepper made. I mean, I don't know if Gwyneth would show up, because she doesn't seem to care.
Speaker 1:No, she doesn't even think that's a real thing. I don't even think she knows the MCU is running.
Speaker 2:I don't know if they called her and were like hey, do you want to come back as Pepper? And she went who, who's Pepper Potts? Never heard of that character in my life. Send me a script, I want to read it. So like I do wonder if, like they would incorporate Pepper as a way of like kind of making her like adjacent to Tony in some way. I don't think so at. Maybe you wouldn't doubt. Yeah, wouldn't doubt. Favreau was always down.
Speaker 1:I do like that idea of her being a recipient of the. Of the scholarship yeah.
Speaker 2:That would make total sense.
Speaker 1:My dead parents scholarship Pfft Um. My parents are deceased.
Speaker 2:So I mean, fandom wise, the most anticipated thing here is Daredevil, right.
Speaker 1:Easily, easily.
Speaker 2:Easily man. I can't believe we made it all the way here with Daredevil. We really did. We really did.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go home. I can't wait to go back.
Speaker 2:As soon as.
Speaker 1:I go home, I'm going to watch more Daredevil. I can't wait to go back and just chronicle the journey of that show how much of a real G are watch Daredevil or are you going to watch everything?
Speaker 2:Everything. What Like the Defenders stuff you got to.
Speaker 1:I would love to. I might just watch Daredevil, but I'll watch the Defenders because he's in it.
Speaker 2:It is wild that, like what you're saying about the Defenders, how like no, you made the best point.
Speaker 1:Like they're all doing. They're all doing their own bits, but there's no crossover to it.
Speaker 2:No, even down to the color palettes. Right, when Luke Cage shows up, everything is yellow.
Speaker 1:It was all yellow.
Speaker 2:And they start throwing in the hip-hop music and everything and I'm like what is going on here?
Speaker 1:Man remember Luke Cage, season two, when Iron Fist shows up and I said, guys, guys, just look over here for one second, just do that as a show, is that not?
Speaker 2:so I can't believe they haven't done anything like that yet.
Speaker 1:It's the most insane thing, and that was. It was by far the best. Finn Jones had been by far the best.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was like a totally different person.
Speaker 1:That was finally Danny Rand. I was just like you guys figured it out. He's got the. Why does the Iron Fist not work for both seasons? It doesn't look like just let him be Iron Fist. This is crazy. That's like if they made Shang-Chi. They're like don't get the Ten Rings actually, even though it's in the name, don't do Kung Fu actually. Don't do Kung Fu. You're the master of what, maybe for five minutes out of the movie.
Speaker 2:He forgot how to do martial arts halfway through and the whole movie was about him learning to do martial arts again.
Speaker 1:Do they have to?
Speaker 2:put the song in the movie At the end, when he's fighting his dad.
Speaker 1:That's a totally different movie. If that happens, there's no way I could go on YouTube and see if they put Kung Fu fighting over Shang-Chi right. Someone must have, let's see, keep talking about things. I'm gonna find this.
Speaker 2:I don't have any more things. We talked about all the things we did talk about.
Speaker 1:We did chronicle that this episode was gonna be a long one.
Speaker 2:We talked about every TV show Ever Ever made. We really did?
Speaker 1:We talked about the Wire somehow this week.
Speaker 2:The Wire really did. We talked about the wire somehow this week. The wire um shang chi. Remember shang chi. I remember that movie came out and we were like, wait, this movie's good. And then that character was never seen again. I found it.
Speaker 1:There is one yeah, I can't wait to watch it after, after we finish.
Speaker 2:But yeah, what I is that like one of marvel's greatest failures of the of multiversal saga.
Speaker 1:yeah, like the one movie that felt like a phase one movie that was like, and I hear all this stuff and like the Captain America promos are like we can't wait to get back to the old way.
Speaker 2:I'm like no.
Speaker 1:Shang-Chi actually felt like the old Marvel feel.
Speaker 2:That literally actually felt like it, it was like a proper origin movie. The action was so great, it was like a proper origin movie.
Speaker 1:And then we just never saw that character again. The action was so great, it was tight and I kept making the point and I'll still hold by it like it has one of the most forgivable big CGI battle monster. Whatever, like it's the most forgivable one. One of the best antagonists, oh Wenwu was phenomenal. Tony Leung was just. He was cooking in this movie. Sima Liu himself was good. Awkwafina was good in this movie. Somehow, why don't you keep Michelle Yeoh's good in this movie? Keep going, don't do more.
Speaker 2:It's so crazy that that character just vanished. He joined the Avengers at the end of the movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know, man, I feel like this was one of the easiest layups where you just unless shit, unless Captain America 4 ends and there's a post credit scene with all the Avengers and he's there. Makes sense and then the Thunderbolts is like. Ross is like I hate those Avengers. You all are the Avengers now and they're like, oh, alright one Avengers.
Speaker 2:This Captain America is black, another guy is Chinese. Get these Avengers out of my face, not my. Avengers, not my Avengers.
Speaker 1:Get me John Walker instead. One of them is a She-Hulk Not my Avengers Hashtag, not my Avengers. One of them is just a woman. This stinks. I hate these Avengers, says Thaddeus Ross.
Speaker 2:I hate these Avengers. Get me John Walker instead.
Speaker 1:Wait, sir, she's a Russian assassin. I don't care, I care.
Speaker 2:You had me at Russian. You had me at Russian. I'm in. She's an Avenger now. She's an Avenger. She's not a She-Hulk, she's not a woke Hulk.
Speaker 1:That's what the that's what whatever? Avengers 5 that's part of the storyline actually, when sam's going to do his avengers thing. They're the woke avengers actually. Oh man, what if they make Doctor Doom a bigot and that's the whole sell of the whole thing.
Speaker 2:No, Doctor Doom is staunchly anti-bigotry. Didn't you watch X-Men 97?
Speaker 1:No, that was crazy. Bastion was laying out the plan and Doctor Doom was like nah dude, this is crazy, I can't do this. What if he killed all the mutants? Whoa yo, he's like nah dog, that's messed up. You know how evil you have to be for Doctor Doom To be like yo. That's messed up. I only want to kill Reed.
Speaker 2:Richards, specifically Reed Richards.
Speaker 1:Does your plan have a plan to kill the Fantastic Four? Not specifically. I'm out.
Speaker 2:This is stupid.
Speaker 1:I want to kill my college rival Reed Richards.
Speaker 2:If you don't have a plan in here that can kill a stretchy guy, I'm out, freeze him.
Speaker 1:Yo, I'm not gonna lie, he's cooking in that original Fantastic Four movie. Oh, we have to talk about those movies soon. Those movies aren't as bad as everybody. I haven't watched those movies in years. I watched them at the end of I watched them in like October I think it's been legit years since I've seen that movie.
Speaker 2:I'm not gonna. They are not as bad as everybody wants them to be, although I did see a clip the other day on TikTok of I forget I think it might have been the second. It was the second one because it's when Reed stands up to the Army General guy and he's like oh to him, what's his name that passed away. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Don Don't talk to my team like that and I'm like he was kind of a good Reed Richards, I'm not going to lie. He was like he had that little bit of. He had like a dash of coldness. It should have been him in Multiverse of Madness. Oh, 100%, 100%.
Speaker 2:I love John Krasinski, but I'm still cool.
Speaker 1:I still have a feeling that he's going to show up in first steps Like I think they're good. If you can find a way to somehow convince Miles Teller to come back, that would be an insane council of Reeds to have Yohan Griffin, john Krasinski, miles Teller and Pedro Pascal. Like, everybody would lose it, if that happened. It's John.
Speaker 2:Krasinski, but he's just spaghetti.
Speaker 1:No, man, he's spelling, it's Earth 839. This time they just moved one Earth over. It's still John Krasinski.
Speaker 2:Aha, you're Reed Richards. That wasn't emasculated by the Scarlet Witch. No, I knew better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I told Black Bolt shut up. For I told Black Bolt just scream as soon as she walks in the room. We all have earplugs. We're good, Just start yelling as soon as you see her, yeah, as soon as you see her. Scream as loud as you can, Without taking any chances. That was actually the smartest man alive.
Speaker 2:Well, we can handle you little dreamwalking witch, can you Captain Marvel, the smartest man alive, reed Richards, where is he? Is he behind that guy? Who's he? Is he behind that Reed Richards? Doctor Strange really fried that whole group. Yeah, he did, he was cooking them Because they suck.
Speaker 1:Carl, carl Wait, didn't you guys try in the 60s?
Speaker 2:Oof Yikes Burn Cooked Professor X from offscreen. Ouch, couldn't be me getting fried like that. And then he did get fried. Why are we talking about Chong Chi?
Speaker 1:Why are we talking about Chong Chi? Because we were talking about Daredevil, because we were talking about Iron Fist. Anyway, daredevil is the most anticipated movie or show of this year.
Speaker 2:Can't wait. Yeah, alright, good tangent. That's it. That's going to do it for us this week. You can follow us on Twitter at Project INF underscore pod. You can follow us on Facebook. You can follow us on TikTok. You couldn't follow us on TikTok for about 14 hours, but we're back. You can follow us on TikTok again, it's fine. You can follow us on Instagram At the Project Infinite pod Next week. We didn't decide what we're doing yet what if. What if. What if what?
Speaker 1:if this is where we get Jeffrey Wright as our guest star.
Speaker 2:He's going to be in Fantastic Four apparently.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I told you they're going to do the thing from Fantastic Four, whatever where he points up. He's like whoa. I hope he goes. No, he does that when he sees the thing. He's like come on man, aren't you a giant-headed being from outer space? And you think I'm?
Speaker 2:scary. Remember when X-Men 97 put through the Watcher in there they did put the Watcher In the Genosha episode.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they did. Watcher's like man. This party's kind of cool man.
Speaker 2:I ain't gonna do nothing. I ain't gonna do nothing about this I'll help watcher a bigot question mark.
Speaker 1:He didn't do anything about that. That was the one where he's like I can let this rock, I'll have. I love how, in the season three finale of what, if they were just like, he keeps interfering. But x-men 97, the mutant massacre, he, you know what. I can watch this one. He actually could have done something.
Speaker 2:He's like not that big a deal, I'm not only going to watch, I'm going to actively let Cable try to undo it.
Speaker 1:five million times, five million times, and not do anything about it. The Watcher canceled question mark.
Speaker 2:Actually I'm going to let Cable get a little closer each time and then just yoink him back.
Speaker 1:Maybe the Watcher's a bad guy. He's not great. No, he keeps interfering on the wrong things.
Speaker 2:I have to save Captain Carter.
Speaker 1:Why Captain America gets to die every time and Captain Carter's the one that you need. You let the Earth explode because the Celestial was born. Jerk, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2:Oh, we're almost at the point where we're gonna make the Eternals relevant again With that big celestial in the ocean.
Speaker 1:That turned into adamantium of all substances. What if she turned it into like what's the funniest substance? You could've turned it into Rubber Iron Iron man somewhere. Oh shoot, you got a whole island of it. Man, this is awesome. Oh shoot, you got a whole island of it, man, this is awesome. Oh shit, oh, it's Iron Tower, it's.
Speaker 2:Iron man oh shit, he got an Iron man suit on. Oh my gosh, you think Arishem is going to come back in Captain America 4? Oh, he confronts Sam and Sam's like I can't.
Speaker 1:You want me, you want me, come and get me. No, that's an actual like big G G-O-D. I don't know if you can handle all that. Somehow, with the vibratium suit he figures it out. He just punches Airshom. One splash page of him knocking out Airshom.
Speaker 2:I love comics. Oh, man, I answered your question from before, when you said what's the craziest character that they could put in Captain America?
Speaker 1:4. It's Erisham Shows back up. They have a fight Like they do a proper fight. At the end I've come to click Sam's like suit turns into a space suit.
Speaker 2:I got this y'all. Him and Red Hulk team up to fight Ares no.
Speaker 1:Red Hulk like, carries him and throws him into the atmosphere. Oh, fastball special Runs right through Ares with the wings. This is why they don't let us write in Hollywood, Because we have the most bombastic movies ever.
Speaker 2:That's the secret they're hiding. Remember, I keep telling you that Cat 4 has a big secret, uh-huh.
Speaker 1:It's that, it. That's the secret they're hiding. Remember, I keep telling you that Cat 4 has a big secret. Uh-huh, it's that. It's not Hulk, it's Erisham. Erisham, showing up would be nuts. It's Erisham coming to play. We should keep playing this game. I like this bit, like whenever we talk about something, we're like what's the craziest character from the universe that could show up?
Speaker 2:My answer's gonna be Erisham.
Speaker 1:Arishem would plausibly be funny in Fantastic Four, because then him and Galactus would be like if it isn't my old pal bigger Galactus, bigger Galactus.
Speaker 2:They throw hands. It's like a big slow, like they're throwing planets at each other, like billions of people are dying no Reed shows up with the ultimate nullifier.
Speaker 1:He's like stop, let's cut it out. Arishem, just picks up.
Speaker 2:Erisham just hits Galactus over the head with bars.
Speaker 1:Patrick Reed has the ultimate nullifier.
Speaker 2:I'll do it, don't do it. Erisham's like no. Didn't the Watcher give Reed the ultimate nullifier, I think? Or he didn't. No, reed built it, he didn't give it to him, but he like, Didn't he?
Speaker 2:He inspired him to make it. He did what the Watcher does. He was like Reed Richards was like how do I stop Galactus? And the Watcher's like With a pushpin, I could give you the ultimate nullifier. And Reed is like can you? And the Watcher's like no, I can't interfere, but if I turn my back and you took the ultimate nullifier, that would be okay. And Reed's like I'm gonna do that then. And he just took the ultimate nullifier. Yo, is he the dumbest smart person ever? Reed Richards, yeah, yeah, didn't you watch Multiverse of Madness? Yeah, he was kind of stupid. Wanda, I'm a dad, and Do your children have a mother? Reed's like yeah, and Wanda's like well, you're dead. That's probably one of the coldest lines ever uttered. At least they'll have someone around to raise them.
Speaker 1:Get out of there, reed Richards, I'm not gonna lie, man, you gotta go.
Speaker 2:And then Mordo was like Doctor Strange wait till my friends get back and we're gonna throw you in jail. And Doctor Strange is like your friends are getting massacred out there, pal, why aren't you?
Speaker 1:helping them. Why are you fighting me, Like you should help Wanda? Enough, Shut up, Professor X. Yo, they really did put Patrick Stewart in that movie. That was crazy. Then he showed up at the premiere. He's like am was in the Marvels. Yes, yes, I do. No, Kelsey Grammer would be the funniest character to show up in Captain America 4.
Speaker 2:That would be hilarious funnier than Ericham.
Speaker 1:No, ericham showing up in an X-Men movie would be much. No, beast showing up in the Eternals would have been funny. Oh dear. No Ericham would have shown up. Oh dear, alright. No Airstream would have shown up. Oh dear Alright. Dog Airstream and Cap Ford is going to go insane.
Speaker 2:Just the fact that Anthony Mackie is going to attempt to fight him is going to be crazy. That's the bait and switch of the trailer when he's like you want me, come and get me. He's not talking to Red Oak, it was Airstream. He's talking to Airstream, the judge.
Speaker 1:Just the look up. That's going to kill me. He's going to look up Because his head's the size of like 18 planets put together.
Speaker 2:I can see it now Falcon's like cat we have a problem.
Speaker 1:And the Red Hulk's like he looks up the Red Hulk's like he's like the sun's getting real low.
Speaker 2:Red Hulk's, like he's standing right behind me, isn't?
Speaker 1:he. He's standing behind all of us. He's the size of multiple planets.
Speaker 2:He's humongous. I don't even know if I finished reading the socials before we got off on that tangent they know him, man. Yeah, they know him by now.
Speaker 1:YouTube, instagram, facebook, twitter, tiktok it's everywhere Next week.
Speaker 2:Maybe we'll talk about what up next week. But what if we don't? What if? What if? Yeah, all right, we'll see you next week for something. Who knows the Watcher, knows the Watcher, does he? From me, from the Careful man, I'm probably going to go Daredevil, adjacent here. You don't have to you could call me Rupert Williams.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not going to do that. The Cassian Andor of the podcast, but he's kind of a jerk. No, he's not, he's great, he's not great, he's pretty good. He's not pretty good, he's kind of a piece of crap. No, no, no, he turned it around but like not completely. No, but that's fine, he's a hero in the end. Remember, he made that big heroic sacrifice when the planet blew up, when he got vaporized by the Death Star.
Speaker 1:Ben Mendelsohn's chronic is the greatest you know. Remember when they blew up the one planet? He's like oh it's beautiful this guy. You could tell he was practicing in the mirror before he walked in. He's like I wrecked the chronic.
Speaker 2:He's like oh, lord Vader, Interesting the goat, the goat, my goat, my goat. Darth Vader was like get what's up, darth V, my bear. He did not just call me Darth V.
Speaker 1:Be careful not to choke on your aspirations.
Speaker 2:That's how you know that that was Anakin too, because he's just so dramatic For no reason.
Speaker 1:But he can't help it.
Speaker 2:He can't help it. Alright, let's get out of here. Yeah, we'll see you next week, for Maybe we'll just talk about what If.
Speaker 1:What if we talk about? What If?
Speaker 2:What if? Oh man, what if that show was better? What if that show?
Speaker 1:talked about characters that I cared about more. Erisham was in. What If he was? He was getting pieced up by Agatha. That was crazy. And you tell him, yeah, and he's going to get pieced up by Sam next. I can see it now Red Hulk launches him into space Right through.
Speaker 2:Erishim's chest.
Speaker 1:Erisim just falls in slow motion. No, he throws Captain America so fast that he gets transported to a new universe and he gets laid in the same box right next to Monica Rambeau and Beast is just like why does this keep happening?
Speaker 2:Why does this keep happening? Why does this keep happening? All right, we're out of here. We'll see you next week. Goodbye, peace.
