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145 - Exploring the Future of Marvel and DC: Captain America 4, Lanterns TV Show, and Marvel Pitch Meeting!
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This week, as we approach Captain America: Brave New World, we put on our creative baseball caps and bring pitches to the table for MCU TV shows and movies that we would want to make or see get made. Rob stays grounded and a little more street level, where as Court takes things COSMIC. Before that, we hit the latest Christopher Nolan casting, Lanterns news and we applaud the restraint of Jac Schaffer with the news that she declined to make second seasons of WandaVision AND Agatha All Along. We also spend time reacting to the Oscar nominations. Meanwhile, Marvel's creative future takes center stage as we brainstorm captivating concepts for Cloak and Dagger revivals and a possible Silver Surfer series. This episode is brimming with fresh ideas, from imagining symbiote-infused Iron Man suits to exploring the rich storytelling potential of the X-Force and their unique dilemmas. Thank you to everyone who continues to support and don’t forget to subscribe to download new episodes as they become available and don’t be afraid to share a rating!
0:00 Intro
06:06 Jon Bernthal Cast in The Odyssey
09:11 Second Trailer for Ryan Coogler’s “Sinners”
14:38 Sinestro Cast in “Lanterns”
19:25 We React to the Oscar Nominations – Dune Snubbed?
35:23 Jac Schaffer Not Doing Season 2’s & Doctor Strange NOT in Avengers: Doomsday?
49:25 We Pitch Our Own Marvel TV Shows & Movies
49:50 TV Show: Cloak and Dagger (Born Again)
56:27 TV Show: Silver Surfer – Black
01:06:55 Movie – Spider-Man: Maximum Carnage (Feat. Cloak and Dagger)
01:15:26 Movie – Deadpool & Wolverine: X-Force
01:31:20 Signing Off
Topic for Next Week: Sam Wilson’s Journey in the MCU
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Speaker 2:Hello everybody and welcome back to another episode of the Project Infinite Podcast, the podcast covering the infinite and ever-expanding multiverse of fandom for movies, comics, tv shows, video games. We got you covered. I'm rob. I'm here, as always, with court and court. We are two weeks away from the next marvel thing.
Speaker 1:yeah, it's crazy. It feels like it's been so much time in between the last project, which was, if I'm not mistaken, deadpool and wol, wolverine and we knew this was going to happen. You knew this was coming, pete. You knew this was going to happen. You knew we were going to have this break, and obviously Deadpool and Wolverine was this billion-dollar absolute.
Speaker 1:We're so back yeah we're so back Like everything's cool, guys Relax Type deal. So it's kind of crazy and as much as I'll say I'm nervous about something or I don't know how this project is going to pan out, and I don't have the same trust as I once did. It's still the MCU. At the end of the day, it's still Marvel Studios and, funny enough, the thing that did it for me to kind of get me back into my old school Marvel brain was it was the interview, the Fandango interview, that the director, anthony Mack Mackie and Danny Danny Ramirez had. It was really good. It was it was a really good interview and you can tell there's a you could tell that you made this point they're having fun, like this movie feels like they had a lot of fun.
Speaker 1:I do think that they probably had to. I think they probably had an original script and like the original idea, like the straight out of endgame, so probably like 2019, 2020, they probably were. I guarantee you. They were kicking around the ideas of what we've been seeing in the mcu. A lot of those ideas got kicked around and after falcon and the winter soldier, they probably I think they always knew they were going to do cap four as well, I think that was probably always locked in because they were like we committed to the television show, probably before um endgame, and they just obviously didn't tell anthony mackie or anybody like that. But I think what the idea was is, hey, we're gonna do cap four, that's a franchise that still plays. We're gonna put anthony mackie in the suit, we're gonna follow the comics, which is awesome, um, but it looks like they're having fun. It looks like they're into the project.
Speaker 1:They probably retooled the whole script that they had. They probably had to 180 it a bit. I guarantee you that I don't think red hulk probably was in this script originally. I feel like I can, I can confidently like kind of predict that on my own end and for my own headcanon to be like he wasn't in this originally. But they I think the director even said like when the possibility arose to use red hulk and like the way he said it, I was like, yeah, you didn't have that in there originally, which is fine, like changes can happen, things can happen and hopefully it's a good change. So I I'm funny enough. I know what I've said on here. I'm I'm looking forward to it. I always was looking forward to it. I was just nervous.
Speaker 2:But yeah, this movie's been on a weird, a weird track in the sense that, like it's, it's, it was, like it's honestly been the definition of like, that meme of like we're so done, we're so back, like that's how this has been, and now it does feel like, you know, less than two weeks away, like it feels like it's gaining a little bit of positive momentum, yeah, like the pre-sale tickets are going pretty well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it looks pretty good yeah.
Speaker 2:It's apparently way, way cheaper than anyone probably thought. It's apparently way, way cheaper than anyone probably thought $180 million. Hey man, if that's true, shout out to y'all. Yeah, cause I would have not guessed.
Speaker 1:I spared, especially with the addition of Harrison Ford, with the addition of red Hulk by proxy of Harrison Ford reshoots, the reshoots, the set pieces that they were using.
Speaker 2:And like I don't know john carlo esposito getting added into this as well too, like I don't know how you kept that budget sub 250 yeah, at least yeah, and you know, like you said, like those interviews, the interviews have been really good, like they've been really hitting that pretty hard, so I don't know. I I think I think I'm definitely looking more forward to it than I was, maybe like two, three weeks ago, where I felt like it was like red alert. But now I think I'm looking a little bit more forward to it. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's the whole point. At the end of the day, don't take what anybody says, don't take what we even well, maybe listen to us, but don't even take what we say. Like, just go watch the movie, go with some friends, go with some loved ones, just go watch the movie, go with some friends, go with some loved ones, have a good time, go by yourself, get a big, get the captain america popcorn bucket. This isn't an amc or cinemark ad, but just go get the popcorn bucket. Don't get the popcorn bucket, just go and have a good time. And you know, at the end of the day, like, enjoy it. You know what I mean? It's the star wars theory. Just, you don't have to ridicule everything that happens, just just enjoy that you actually do have it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure, because there's a time where we didn't Right. So in the spirit of that, in the spirit of a little bit of news that we have a little bit later, we're just going to have a little pitch meeting for Marvel specifically. We're going to bring a TV show idea and a movie idea and just hash it out and talk about it and see. See if our ideas work, if we, if we actually deserve to get paid for this uh-huh to our right to my right.
Speaker 1:Rob's left right now. You can see kevin feige sitting here. We picked a council of of pitch meeting people to be here, for some reason. Council of kangs, the council of kangs, nope, um, the council of pitch meetings, um. So kevin feige's here, obviously. Amon valani's here. Clark greg from agents of shield is here, for some odd reason. Samuel jackson's obviously here. He has to be, yeah. And the guy that played jasper sitwell, for some reason, is here. So these are the people that are going to approve or deny our, our ideas, our pitches. Yeah, so we're practicing for the future. When me and Rob get handed the keys to the castle, right, yeah, of course. And then I get the cap.
Speaker 2:It's all about who gets the hat in the end.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like getting the Captain America shield. Whoever gets that is the rightful owner of Marvel Studios.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we'll do that. But first we do have some news and of course, whenever we get casting for a Christopher Nolan movie, that has to go straight to the top of the news. And the cast for the Odyssey keeps coming, and Jon Bernthal has been added to the cast of the Odyssey, which is an interesting choice. It's not interesting, it's freaking awesome.
Speaker 1:It's one of those castings where it's like I think about it this way. I'm going to, I'm going to kind of think sports, sports for a second. It's like. It's like when a when a player gets added to a team and you're like, wait, this is going to, this is going to be amazing. I've always wanted this player to play for this team, like christopher or john berthold's playing on christopher nolan's team, like he's gonna bring his play style to this team. He's gonna be able to be with these teammates on this team. Like I feel like it's kind of a really cool it's. It's one of those things because you, when you, what do you think?
Speaker 2:when you think john berthold um, I think, um very, um stoic, to a degree, um stoic but also explosive explosive he's.
Speaker 1:He's got this rough around the edges, but this he's got this morality to his acting where, like, he's still morally good, even though if the outside's not telling you that overtly um, and most of his roles obviously he's played a few villains here and there, but most of the time that's kind of where he lands.
Speaker 1:He hands, he lands in that and that kind of hero to anti-hero kind of sub-genre for himself. Um, so I'm super excited. I mean it's the type of ferocity that he brings to his acting that I'm super keen to see with christopher nolan and kind of see, I'm like I want to see Jon Bernthal on like that big, grandiose IMAX scale. Just the way that he kind of accentuates his acting, I think that's like a match made in heaven. Like I'm really I don't know why that one really got me excited. Like the cast list for this was already nuts and to add Jon Bernthal and he can be in the role for five minutes, like that, but just the fact that he's there, the fact that he's going to bring his I mean, his supreme talent into this, is amazing yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2:Um, it's a great look for john bertholdt and this just keeps the track of like what christopher nolan has done historically and especially with oppenheimer, where he just kind of like he's just like collecting actors that he enjoys and it's probably, like you know, I've always wanted this person to be in this movie and christopher nolan's like a cinephile.
Speaker 1:But he I love the way that christopher nolan approaches it because he's like, yeah, I watch the fast and furious movies. He's like he's not one of these directors to be like I'll never watch that thing because it's low. No, watch everything, have fun, it's all right, it's okay. Yeah, so I'm glad that he's kind of like I don't even want to say like broadening his horizons, like john bernthal is like an awarded actor, but I just think it's cool that that's somebody that he's got in his sandbox now yeah, yeah, I think it's awesome.
Speaker 2:Um, and yeah, this, this movie obviously is taking, taking, uh taking shape and, as we continue to talk about it and continue to learn more about it, I'm sure it's going to be uh sure it's going to be uh sure it's going to be really, really good. Um, speaking of movies that we think are going to be really, really good, we got a new trailer for the Ryan Coogler directed vampire historical fiction movie centers. Um, sorry, michael B Jordan, delroy, lindo, haley, seinfeld Um, this one, we got a lot more plot than we got in the first original trailer and you know, you get to see kind of what the deal is here. Um, and just basically, you know, the trailer kind of reveals that this idea that um, music is a driving force of what opens the gateway between the natural and the supernatural, and I think that's super, super cool. I love that idea and I don't want to even.
Speaker 1:I don't even want to kind of go this route to talk about it, because I really want to stay. Michael B Jordan and it's absolutely insane that this trailer came out, because I was on the phone with somebody talking about my or talking about Ryan Coogler and just his body of work and how incredible he is. But what I'm really excited about is it's kind of this broadening of the horizon. It's not only of horror, and obviously at some point we'll talk Oscar nominations, but obviously the Substance was nominated for Best Picture. That's a horror movie in the Best Picture category.
Speaker 1:I feel like 2017, with Get Out and Hereditary, was kind of the opening of the veil of what's possible. So now we're in 2025 and you know you're getting movies like sinners, but it's the people that are directing these movies. So I feel a lot of influence from jordan peele from here. But I know it's not. It's not the fact that jordan peele is the end all be all of horror or black horror or anything like that. It's just like he's done so much for the genre in the last couple of years, just overall. All the things that I said before are correct, but still overall, how much he's done for just the horror genre in general. It's the fact that more directors are going to feel comfortable dipping into that genre. Like I will not be surprised if Christopher Nolan dips into horror. Like if some of these bigger directors dip into horror, like it just won't't, it won't confuse me anymore.
Speaker 1:So this trailer looks incredible. Um, I know christopher nolan kind of talked about you know he gave him some advice on the 65 millimeter prints and you know how to film with these big imax cameras. Like this movie's got everything in its in its corner. It looks phenomenal. The cast list is phenomenal. The concept, just to get back to your point, it's that's why I kind of came up with the peelisms, for lack of a better term. Like that is very something and it's probably going to play into bigger themes that will be dissected for years to come.
Speaker 1:But you know you're talking about a 40 year old, absolute phenom of a director Like I can't overstate in the director of shelf life, like he's still young and he's still so young in this, he's so young in this and you're telling me fruitvale station creed one, two creed one. Fruitvale station creed creed one. Black panther black panther, two. Sinners are your first five films. Like some people would die to have one of those films under their belt, and he has five of those before he's 40 or while he's 40 years old. It's just absolute absurdity and hats off to somebody that's that respected in the industry at that age yep, the guy's absolutely.
Speaker 2:He's already achieved this kind of like bulletproof status as a director. We've talked about him so much on here and just you know being just blown away by the quality and the, the versatility that he possesses as a filmmaker. I mean, to your point, those three movies considering Black Panther to be a franchise on its own, one project, essentially so. Black Panther, Fruitvale Station, Creed. Those are all very different movies with very different expectations, very different kind of tethers to them.
Speaker 1:That's a good word to use is the expectation that surrounds them to continue.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and just to be able to the quality of those three films on their own merits. Well, four films, like I said, but the Black Panther films, but just the quality that he's been able to pump out and the performances that he gets out of his actors.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go further with that. Not only the performance he gets out of his, his actors, I'm not even. I'm gonna go further with that. Not only the performance he gets out of his actors, but the performance he gets out of his crew is truthfully something, and the one you can get it from the most, in my opinion, always will be it's from creed one. You can tell really like how did this? Because creed one comes out in 20, what 14?
Speaker 1:So this early 30s directors comes in to one of the most monumentous franchises in the world, pitches this spinoff idea about the son of the first villain of the franchise and you know, beloved character of the Rocky franchise, with Michael B Jordan who at that point was starting to get pretty famous, but Creed, I think, was the one that really put him over the top, but at that point it was still.
Speaker 1:It could be go one way or the other. So and I was talking about how tender creed one is like that's really a tender picture, like it's one that's really it's. It's a bit sublime as well too, like there's some bits which in that ludwig gordonson score, really accentuates it. It's like it's one of those franchise movies where I, looking back at it like how credible, incredible of a feat it is that something like that exists, and like it's not the franchise point to be, like we have to do the homages and the in the callbacks, like which they do and they do well and they, but it's, it's handled with care, it's a film like. That's the best thing I can say about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and about him as well yeah, yeah, and and this looks to just be no different. And again, he always seems to bring get the best out of michael b jordan also. So, um, I'm really, really looking forward to this movie. We have some dc news, some dc casting news. So ulrich thompson, um, you know a danish actor and filmmaker, um Been around the business for a long, long, long time, has been cast as Sinestro in the Lanterns TV show, and he is the most Sinestro-looking man I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 1:He's an older man as well too, so how old is he? I think he's in his early 60s.
Speaker 1:And I can't stress this enough and I don't know why, it's really just like itching the correct part of my brain, but like I love this. I don't know why I love the approach of this show. I think it's because we never you usually don't see that you don't see an approach where to like take the prime hero and like, hey, why don't we just make them a little older and like give the story of where it's at in the universe. Because I'm telling you how jordan's not going to be the main green lantern of where it's at in the universe, because I'm telling you Hal Jordan's not going to be the main Green Lantern of that year. It's going to be John Stewart. You already know what he's doing. He's making the Justice League Unlimited lineup. He's already got Superman, batman's plan. He's going to get Wonder Woman in there at some point, but then I think it's confirmed. They're going to go Wally West, flash. They're not going to do barry allen. You're doing john stort, green lantern, which were the ones I grew up with. Like the first green lantern and first flash I knew were john storton, wally west respectively. Hawk girls already in superman. Like you have the teams, are you have that team? Like you can throw martian manhunter in there. I think that's awesome. Conversely, like, the legion of doom is starting to kind of form like subconsciously because grod Grodd was already teased in in creature commandos which is Canon. Um, we have Lex Luthor running around already and you have now you have Sinestro cast, so I think that's pretty cool. So I'm super excited. Um, like you said, that's the most Sinestro looking man that there could have been. I think that's amazing.
Speaker 1:And this show, like I, I know the the showrunner just talked about it. When they got pitched the idea for the show, what did she say? That was the best script that she'd ever read in her life. Yeah, um, that the camera tests are starting today. If I'm not mistaken, they're doing the camera test today. Um, we're probably going to start seeing some set things sooner rather than later, some suits, things like that. But I was kicking through.
Speaker 1:Obviously, this, the biggest thing from this, is the jeff johns green lantern run, which is the single greatest green lantern run, and if they can pull this off with this true detective kind of edged out universe that they're going to use, like, I think, something special and use, if you want to, you know, berate james gunn for something you really can't, because look at the body of work. I mean, if you want to use, okay, so it's going to be a television show, not a movie. What television show did he just get done? Doing that everybody loved Peacemaker with characters, and it's my Superman theory for him. Like, if he got that feeling out of Peacemaker, what is he going to do with Green Lantern? If you got that feeling out of the guardians of the galaxy, if you want to go back to one, two or three, what is he going to get out of Superman? Like I just think he's going to be fine. So I'm super excited.
Speaker 1:Um, I think James Gunn is like really, like he's really hitting his stride, like if he can get Superman, obviously that's the number one thing that that movie just takes off this summer. It hits a billion. Supergirl follows it up. It is great. On top of that, too, david Cordswath's probably going to be in that movie. Right, I don't see him not being in that movie. I would say so yeah, and this Lantern show works out Like that's what a start, what an absolute start, because that's telling me your shows and your movies are bulletproof out of the gate. That's really good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I totally agree agree.
Speaker 1:Um and hey, play into the event television side of hbo max would, or of max, of which they really do. Well, hbo has been doing a really good job of like really playing up the fact that, like this is sunday night event television. Like put lanterns right into that sunday night spot. Like be like if superman like don't shy away of like no, this is connected to that superman movie. Everybody loved this. The same universe. Um, here's you know beloved actor for how many years, kyle chandler. Here's new hollywood heartthrob, aaron pierre. Like, really play it up and like if they can get that true detective, feel like this essential cop show, like this detective show with superheroes attached to it, with this long-winded conspiracy.
Speaker 2:Like that's event television right there yeah, yeah, I agree and I think to your point about you know you don't really see this a lot with tv shows where you have a hero that's kind of already established, like both. One of our you know kind of low-key favorite shows is black lightning, and that's like one of the things that always like kind of drew me to that show was they picked the character up at such an interesting point in his life. And I think similarly with the lantern show about how jordan, I think you have the opportunity to do something similar. So I think bringing that in and then just folding in, like you said, getting an older actor to play sinestro, I think is just playing off that idea of you. Know, this is an established universe with characters that you hopefully recognize and we're just going to tell some new stories and I think that's a super, super, super cool idea.
Speaker 2:Um, the oscars, oh boy yeah, so we got our our oscar nominations um for, for all the categories, and quite a few surprises, I would say the emilia perez of the of the Now just consensus speaking.
Speaker 1:so, by the time my goal is, by the time we get to our Oscars episode in March, I will have watched all of the Best Picture winners. I'm going to try to hit all the movies that people were nominated for, things were nominated for, so I'm going to get the majority of them under my belt From the consensus I don't know how, just from what the majority of everybody is saying that Oppenheimer gets 13 nominations, if I'm not mistaken, and Amelia Perez gets 13 nominations. That might be one of the most mind-boggling stats. And, amelia Perez, it was the Golden Globes where it came out of nowhere that this movie just started gaining traction, nowhere that this movie just started gaining traction like just gaining some I'm talking absolutely kinetic traction of like.
Speaker 1:No, this movie is just absolutely incredible and this is one of the greatest like. And I was so perplexed because I had been seeing scenes from the movie and I said, obviously without context it's a little bit more difficult, but I'm seeing scene, not the subject matter, just the scenes themselves. And I'm just confused how you put that movie against movies like a Nora, movies like dune part two, and you're and those are the comparable movies moving like the substance, so it's. It is a mind boggling idea that that movie has was the leader by far in nominations that year or this year.
Speaker 2:I think what we're seeing is a this and nominations that year or this year. I think what we're seeing is a. I think we're seeing a crash syndrome here with this movie. You know, that's what this feels like to me, where, like this movie obviously having I also haven't seen it, but this feels like the type of movie that you kind of talk about when you talk about Oscar bait. It's like that kind of movie that you kind of talk about when you talk about Oscar bait. It's like that kind of movie right when it's like this movie was built for award season and really nothing else. And you know, hats off to them. It seems to have worked. But at the same time, like it comes at, you know, it kind of comes at the detriment to other things that probably should be getting that attention, and I mean the biggest thing is the Denis Villeneuve thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's get into it this is the second time this has happened.
Speaker 1:And if you want to take any of the complaints, any of your reservations about the first one, they immediately get alleviated. And it was to the point where Dune 2 was one of the most critically acclaimed movies ever, one of the most audience recognized, and you're talking about some subject matter that's difficult to digest and the way that he was able to. You're talking about one of the most beautiful, one of the most intricate, one of the most, you know, awe-inspiring movies that's ever been released. I mean that movie is immediately in my top five movies of all time, like critically and just from my enjoyment, and this huge spectacle, um, just absolute masterpiece, just lost all its traction, like getting later down the line to the point where, like they didn't even kick zendaya, best supporting actress, they didn't kick. And timmy I'm fine with. It's still tough because at least he got nominated for yeah, unknown he wasn't gonna get nominated twice right
Speaker 1:so. But to leave zendaya out of the acting, to leave, in my opinion, rebecca ferguson out of the acting, to leave denis out of the directing of holly Hollywood's most, you can't direct this movie. This movie's impossible to direct. All time filmmaker David Lynch couldn't pull this off RIP and Deni. Not only he didn't just make a solid movie, he didn't make an okay movie, he didn't make a good movie, he didn't make a great movie, he made one of the best movies of all time. So I don't understand how they looked at that. And they found those five other films and they were like, yeah, these films were better directed than Denis. That is absolutely absurd. That is an absurd thing to even think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I agree. I mean, it's just that thing, man. It's just the glass ceiling that sci-fi movies have had to battle against with the Oscars for forever, for the most part, with some exceptions. But the Oscars just don't typically recognize the craftsmen behind these movies. They of course recognize the visual effects. They of course recognize the visual effects you know. They of course recognize, like, the production design. This time around I didn't even recognize the music because it got disqualified, can we?
Speaker 1:chat about that for one second. Yeah, again, absurd, like I didn't know we were dealing with percentages of scores used, because I remember before the movie came out he released the two pieces. Yeah, before the movie came out he released the two pieces, yeah, and I was just just floored, um, by the, the first one, where, where chani and paul are kind of they go into the where chani fall, finds paul in the doom in the in the desert, and they kind of it's basically them falling in love. That's what that score piece is and you're talking about just absolute consummate beauty. The innovation of this score it's the single most innovative film score of all time, probably.
Speaker 1:This and Tenet's score, just the way that they're built into the film itself. He was making instruments that didn't exist, like I don't know what screams best original score, so that's just. It's really like. It's really kind of smack in the face. Like you think you get somewhere with movies like the Substance getting nominated for best picture and like whore is taking a beat, but then, like I feel like sci-fi still gets associated with the superhero stuff, so it's still the sigma. So they were like no, we can't. So I don't, I don't understand. But then you watch a movie like amelia perez and you're like, yeah, this is the one yeah, it's.
Speaker 2:It's really, really strange to me, um, and like I, you know, like, like you said, I thought at some point you would. I mean, if dune can't break that like the like that sci-fi kind of glass ceiling stigma, I don't know what possibly could like just in the future, I mean, we're gonna do this again in a few years when the third one comes out, like is he gonna get snubbed again like a third time? Like I, you know, I thought the first time, I thought the first go around with the first dune was shocking and kind of like an affront that it could be nominated for so many awards and he just gets left off and then this time around it didn't even get nominated for that many yeah, because if I can't remember 2021, I feel like 2021 was decently competitive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean just kind of going through the list for best director. I don't see and obviously, like I said, I'm going to make sure I dive into everything I'm good with, from what I've heard. The Brutalist oh, can I have you ever seen the movie Thunderbirds before with Bill Paxton? No, it's a kid's movie. It was a kid's movie. It was like a kid's like super hero adjacent movie. Uh, basically about like this team of people and like they're like, um, basically like they're kids and like the the family are, like they go out into the world and save the world from natural disasters. They're like rescue heroes, essentially. Okay, there's a main character in this movie, this kid's movie, yeah, from like 2001, 2003, whatever, what? 2003, whatever, whatever, whatever. The kid that was in that movie, the main character, brady Colbert. He's the one that directed the Brutalist and that blew my freaking mind.
Speaker 1:Wow, I had the Thunderbirds DVD and I was like I loved that movie when I was a kid and he was a child actor and he kept saying it and and he kept saying it and I was like let me Google Brady Colbert and the first thing that pops up is the Thunderbirds poster that I remember having on the cover. I was like what the he made the Brutalist. That was like the coolest thing ever. But Sean Baker for Enora a billion percent. James Mangold for A Complete Unknown from what I've heard, 100 percent. Brady Colbert for the Brutalist is what I think is going to win.
Speaker 1:I don't know if the controversy with the AI is going to kind of hit into this a little bit. If that never happened he would have won. I could see a surprise where the substance director wins this, a real big surprise. But Amelia Perez's director's not winning this. I look at Denis and I look at what he did on Dune 2 and I look at this category and I look at all these phenomenal. Just from what I've taken, you can probably get this in the brutalist him and him and Brady Colbert kind of battling for it. But outside of that, like some of these are close, like a Nora is probably the closest one with Sean Baker, but you look at what he did on this film and you're just now that's, that's all right. Directing, that's OK.
Speaker 2:It's nothing insane, yeah, and I mean I guess I just also don't understand how the best picture category got expanded to 10 and the director cap is still set at five. You don't have to expand it to 10. No, but maybe do like seven.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I feel, I feel like they always deal with the 510. Like, oh no, you can do the, you can do six. I can't remember how it works, but I think it's either five and then the best, the best picture is always 10. So the directing I just was it would expand yeah, I don't, yeah, I just I don't understand why you wouldn't, and I'm fine with the, because there's the argument.
Speaker 1:The big argument is like, hey, like, are you allowed to be the best director and not get in the category for best picture, which that way should work? That makes sense, like if you're on the best category, that should like fast track you to getting in the best picture. But it shouldn't be the other way around. Your best pictures don't need to necessarily have the best director sure, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1:Um, because a lot, a lot goes into making a great movie um, I just don't know how they looked at dune 2 and were like, yeah, it's cool. Versus the beginning of the year, it was the film that was the film of the year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it checked all the boxes, man. It checked the critical box, it checked the box office box, it checked that. It checked every box that you could want a successful movie to check and it just feels like it got kind of, you know, snubbed, for lack of a better word. But also, I think, ultimately I mean this Oscars, you know, once the awards are given, could you know we'll see what happens with the best actor thing, but this feels like the Timothee Chalamet kind of crowning.
Speaker 1:This might be the one, I mean your biggest contention. And again, like this is the. This is the thing I really don't love, because this whole ai thing with the brutalist kind of like came through as, like this, like late round knock it, like this late round knockdown punch, because the brutalist, the brutalist kind of had all the momentum going in. Like people were calling this like this absolutely massive epic, this filmmaking achievement that we've never seen before for all intents and purposes. I've been scrolling through Twitter seeing just a whole bunch of the Twitter accounts, reviews, and people are just mind-blown and stunned by this film and this original idea. But the fact that something like that came through out of nowhere and kind of was like well, people were like well, ai is bad. So now this movie sucks, I'm like well, wait, wait, just slow down a little bit. Um, this is still an absolute achievement in filmmaking, like that's never going to change. So I'm Adrian Brody might be I that's. It's either going to be timmy or adrian brody. I think those are kind of your two. Any other?
Speaker 2:categories you want to talk about. Um, I mean, we can talk about best supporting actor, just because I think we both kind of had an idea that this is where denzel could could have snuck in there for gladiator and he didn't yeah, and I'm, I'm kind of.
Speaker 1:I'm kind of a little bit. I'm not perplexed, but I'm like who's in the supporting for the actors?
Speaker 2:So it's Guy Pearce for the Brutalists, it's Yuri Boryshov for Enora. A lot of people were a little bit shocked by that one. Ed Noren for Complete Unknown, karen Culkin for Real Pain and Jeremy Strong. He and Sebastian Sand both got acting nods for the apprentice well.
Speaker 1:So what I'll kind of think about is this like we're in the social media age, we're in the modern age, like the same thing for the brutalists with the ai, like things, a random thing will pop out about something about the movie. That might not even have anything to do with the movie in the brutalist case it does, and some other movies it doesn't but that that'll just change the way that people see the movie. Yeah, that's just how human beings are wired and built. No matter what the movie would do, no matter how incredible masterpiece, whatever you want to call a movie, like these random things will just come and derail everything that's happening. So I think for denzel that might have happened a little bit from the whole overarching of gladiator 2, because it was this franchise piece, because it was supposed to build, be built off the back of something, and like the critical acclaim was like it was good you know what I mean like it was solid, yeah, but it wasn't like monumental, like, and it didn't live up to quote unquote, didn't live up to the first one. That was the biggest hurt. He got out of that too and I think the converse, like Nora, blew up. Nora absolutely skyrocketed, blew up. So Yuri gets this nomination and people are like he was cool in the movie.
Speaker 1:I just don't know if he is the best. It's my Jamie Lee Curtis theory that I don't know how you have a year with Angela Bassett acting like that and Jamie Lee Curtis was the one that you chose, but everything everywhere all at once was the movie of that year. Yeah, so I do think that one's an easy one. It's going to be Kieran Culkin. I'm going to watch a real pain tonight from what I've heard from the clips I've seen, like he's just, he's incredible. He just looks like this is going to be an absolutely heartbreaking, hilarious performance and I can't wait for it. I love jesse eisenberg. The fact that he's directing too, it's like one of those things. Same thing for michael b jordan.
Speaker 2:This might have been what you were always supposed to do yeah, yeah, you could always tell with jesse eisenberg too, that he's got just got a different mind him bill hater.
Speaker 1:Like you, like you know, like we know what you've done, I grew up watching you. But like this is, this is your calling, this is your true calling yeah, um, you got any other oscar thoughts before we move on?
Speaker 1:no, I mean I say I love when I do that. I'm like no, but here's a rant. Um, I mean, just looking at the landscape of the best pictures, like obviously there's one that's standing out very much and it's the one that somehow just found a way to possibly could win. You know what I mean with amelia perez. But I actually wasn't mortified with the best picture category and usually there's been years where I'm like this is just awful. Um, I didn't think it was horrible. Like I'm happy for a film like the substance. I'm happy for sean baker with anora.
Speaker 1:Dune 2 at least got the justice for knowing that's one of the greatest pictures of all time. Like, that's not a horrible landscape. I've heard phenomenal things about the nickel boys. I'm really keen to check that one out too. So the landscape looks, looks really good. Um, obviously we talked lead role cinematography. At least dune 2 is here. I can see a world where the brutalist comes in and sweeps it. But I I just don't think you can usurp greg frazier. He's the, he's the, he's the roger deacons of our time and will be for years and years to come it's gonna be.
Speaker 2:It's gonna be interesting, especially once, once it starts, once it happens, and all the fallout. And what happens with the, the movie that got nominated for 13 oscars, and see, see what that. See what the fallout. And what happens with the, the movie that got nominated for 13 Oscars, and see, see what that see what the fallout of that is.
Speaker 1:Um, how about this? I'll watch Amelia Perez by the next episode and I will give you an end of episode review. Oh, because I just I have to see what happened in between, the in between. Like I need to see what happened in between a nora and the brutalist, like shooting to the top and the golden globes because something had to happen in that time for emilia perez to be like wait, is this the best movie ever? Like something happened, something I have to have happened, sure?
Speaker 2:um, all right, we'll look forward to that little stinger, little singer for next week. Um, all right, marvel. So before we get into our little topic here, um, it is inspired by these two little bits of Marvel news, first and foremost. So Disney+ all the streaming services kind of came out with their kind of like here's how much of everything people watched, so there was just some prizes. For sure, the Acolyte was the second most watched thing on Disney+. It's got that.
Speaker 2:Star Wars banner to it. Yep, so that continues the, the, the mystery of the acolyte and what happened, um, but the big news obviously was agatha all along um was what the second lowest marvel thing and echo was the lowest. Yeah, um, we both really liked agatha all along, um. I think the critical consensus also is that it's really good. Yeah, it was pretty dang good. And then there was the will. They won't they do a second season. They won't Not because it didn't do well, but because Jack Schaefer just doesn't want to do one, and this was apparently. This has now come out that she also did not want to do a second season of WandaVision. Yeah, I think in the age of like content and the age of make us a bajillion dollars, I think that shows incredible restraint. Yeah, on her part.
Speaker 1:And I was talking to you before we hopped on about Jack Schaefer how I really like her and like, just from her interviews that we watched, like she seems like somebody that's so sure, like she's so sure of herself, like she's kind of like an inspiration a bit, like she's very sure of herself, like she's very like I know the thing that needs to be done. I have confidence in myself and like the stories we're telling and like I know overtly some people will not cling to these things because women, unfortunately, because that's still so, some people think and other things. But you know she's very confident in herself and she's very like this is what we need to do. Like we talked, talked about it. Like give Jack Schaefer the Wanda movie, call it a day. She's going to cook simple, yeah, I saw her.
Speaker 1:That's not my pitch.
Speaker 2:By the way I saw her in Toronto at the at fan expo with her and Catherine Han and Joe Locke, um, before Agatha all along had come out, and just yeah, just the way she was talking about the show made me more excited for it. Um, it just seems like she has a great grasp on certain characters in this universe, um, especially wanda, especially. Just, she just seems like she has a good handle on this little sect of the marvel universe, um, and I think I think it's fair play to not, you know, want to do a second. It's one of my big kind of question marks and concerns with shogun, like, um, that getting a second season when it was originally pitched as a limited series. Like you know, I I don't think wannavision needed a second season, like I don't necessarily think agatha all along needs a second season. Um, they're, those characters are obviously going to be seen again and they're going to transition to other things.
Speaker 2:But like a sec, a second season of agatha all along, like that whole Anytime a show, you can tell a limited series like this and you bookend it perfectly, which is what Agatha All Along did.
Speaker 2:It bookended that journey and that story perfectly and there was obviously a stinger at the end, with her and Wiccan kind of going off to find Billy, find the other brother. But brother, um, that doesn't necessarily that that story doesn't have anything to do with agatha and, like her journey, that she went on in the show, um. So I think it makes all the sense in the world and, like I said it's it, it shows an incredible amount of restraint that she's not going to be forced to write something that she doesn't necessarily have an idea for, not to say that she can't come up with one. But you know, if it was never in her plans, like whatever, like good, um. And then the other bit of Marvel news to that is that Benedict Cumberbatch has confirmed that Dr Strange will not be appearing in Avengers doomsday but conversely, we will be having a massive role in Avengers Secret Wars which is interesting to me.
Speaker 2:It just I mean, what is I mean? This Doomsday thing? Is this just going to be? Is this, Are we? Are we going down the route where this is just going to be?
Speaker 1:Avengers versus evil Avengers no, Well, yes, yes, I do think that's going to happen, but I I do. I had some ideas, I had some thoughts about it too. You know what I think they're going to do. I think they're understanding, especially from cap four, like, oh shoot, where are the Avengers? But they, the heck now.
Speaker 1:So I think a part of doomsday is gonna be a bigger push to like where are the avengers? Who are the avengers? How is this avengers team gonna operate? Are there multiple avengers teams operating, because the thunderbolts which presumably are going to turn into the dark avengers, like I think they're going to give more time, because what I think happened was the original kang idea was so kang focused and like I don't think they were equating for like hey, we probably should have a team to go against this Kang, because we should probably root for somebody on the other side.
Speaker 1:So I think they're gonna try to build a little bit more and kind of do some backlog building, which kind of sucks, because that stuff should have already been done. Um, which would have helped if we would have got Shang-Chi 2 and a a miss marvel season 2, but I digress. So I think the part of doomsday is going to be taken away from kang is going to be diverted back into the avengers themselves. So, with that kind of being said, I'm kind of I'm torn, like I'm a little torn on the whole idea, because no, dr strange is for the multiverse saga, because I do think they had an idea where Doctor Strange kind of split, being one of the main characters, just how it was like Cap Thor, iron man, but more like Iron man, thor-ish a little bit, especially in Infinity War Endgame.
Speaker 1:Doctor Strange is one of the pillars of this. You were probably going to have Spider-Man try to be a pillar of this, like Black Panther probably would have been a pillar with this once upon a time and obviously the Jonathan Major stuff happened. So you have to pivot and it's not like a simple pivot, this is like a monumental pivot. So, to your point, it probably is going to be good Avengers versus evil Avengers. I just can't stress it enough. We need a main character and no, benedict Cumberbatch takes a big person off the board to be the main character of this thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think the other thing I'm worried about, if they're going to do Avengers vs Evil Avengers and presumably this is going to be a two-part Avengers thing is your heroes I mean not just Infinite into War Endgame. But if you're going to do this two-parter, the heroes kind of have to lose and it would be kind of meta offensive to have like the evil avengers, who would be presumably played by, like the old cast, which they probably will be, beat the new avengers you know what I mean like in, like in a meta commentary sense. Like that would feel kind of bad, like to be like look how great the old cast were.
Speaker 1:They just literally beat the new cast and it doesn't do it, and it's something we've talked about for years now. It doesn't nothing and again, it does nothing to help this new phase of heroes that you're supposed to get, like this movie's supposed to come out next year, like I know, that's zero, that's zero time like, and now, like I said, you took dr strange off the list. That's a big person to take off this like again, and it's probably the same thing that I that I talk about. You know who are the gosh darn avengers right now? Like, who are the avengers? Like you're calling this movie avengers doomsday, like we got the doomsday part. Who are the god dang avengers? Like, who are they? I mean?
Speaker 2:maybe we find out. Maybe we find out which, in a few months, to my point about cap four.
Speaker 1:I think we're gonna probably start to do some lifting in cap four with a post-credit scene. You spend the age of Ultron post-credit scene and you have it be like Sam's now there and Sam's there with, and it's probably gonna be like Joaquin's gonna be there. Um, captain Marvel I'm presuming you bring Brie Larson, because from the Shang-Chi post-credits scene, like she and, to your point last week, like Simu Liu, get him in there. Aman Valani put her on that team. Like she, well, no, she's probably gonna split with the Young Avengers.
Speaker 1:But man, this Kang thing really threw everything off, because you know what I thought they were gonna do Thunderbolts, avengers, young Avengers and the world's like well, who are the Avengers? We have three sets of Avengers who are the true Avengers, and Sam's got to be like we're all Avengers, we don't have any split, everybody's an Avenger. It would have been cool. You have the Young Avengers being like, no, we're credible, we got this and the Kang tie would be Nathaniel Richards joining that team. And then you have the main Avengers and like their tie would be like it's the fact that they're the Avengers of the world's Avengers.
Speaker 2:Then you have the Thunderbolts being like no, the government wants this Avengers team to go fight, like yeah yeah, I mean, I think it's just, I mean we're gonna see, but it's like one of those things we're like, um, to your point, like where, where are the Avengers? We don't even know. You know, going way back, way to the way back machine, you know, in 2008, like we knew who the avengers were before we even saw them. You know, we knew it was iron man, captain america, thor the hulk, and then, you know, hawkeye and black widow kind of snuck in the back door, but now it feels like every avenger is sneaking in the back door yeah it's just and like we don't know, we don't know who's who's leading these, this thing or these things, yeah, and again like like, is it supposed to be spider-man, is it supposed to be captain marvel?
Speaker 2:is it supposed to be dr strange? But it can't be dr strange because he's not going to be in the next it can't be black panther is it captain america? Like we don't, we don't know. We don't know who's on the team. That's a problem.
Speaker 1:We don't know who's on the team and we don't know who's playing. That's such like, that's such like. That's a detrimental problem to go into a movie where, like, people are already longing for the old, the old marvel, so you're gonna put the old characters back in this movie, so to be, like people are gonna root for them, like they're gonna, they're gonna. That's not necessarily what you want.
Speaker 2:It's's a cool villain problem. You're like, wait, wait, they're the actors and the characters that, like we want to root for. Like I don't you know how you know, I mean, maybe we'll find out in the Fantastic Four what Dr Doom's deal is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't even think about that part of it too. Like the Fantastic Four are a big piece of this man, like there, that is, that's a big thing to kind of think about. Like how are they going to kind of round out this entire thing? I didn't even kind of equate for that as well too. But like I'm just talking and I think we're both kind of talking mainline avengers, like the main 616 avengers, like who? I mean, how does thor fit into it? Like, yeah, what's his deal like? Is he kind of what's his deal like?
Speaker 1:And I talked about it when we, when we, when we talked endgame once upon a time like I like this idea that, like thor's just out there, like two of your og avengers are still out there, technically three like they're still out there, kind of like, hey, if you need me call, like that's how the avengers comics work. Like if people die, like some of the old ones still keep going, like they're still on the team, like I think that would be cool. Like, obviously, you're gonna get, you're gonna get jeremy reiner, you're gonna get, you're gonna get, uh, chris hemsworth, you're gonna get mark ruffalo. Like you're just not gonna not have him in these movies. But I think it'd be really cool if it's like you know the war's like all right, I'm in, and like really, yeah, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm, I'm the strongest avenger. That's never gonna change. Like I might not be the leader of the Avengers, but like I'm still going to answer the call.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, there's so much about I think we're going to get some answers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think there's a miss that comes with, like I think we took for granted the pillaring that they did with Tony and Steve for sure so it's like it's cap and it's Sam, but there's not another driving force Because, plausibly, you probably would have done if everything worked out.
Speaker 1:It probably would have been Brie Larson, would have been the other pillar to it. There's a scenario where once upon a time it was going to be Chadwick Boseman, because the new Avengers were kind of given to you. It was Black Panther, spider-man, doctor Strange, captain Marvel, ant-man, wasp. Who am I missing? I'm missing one in there.
Speaker 2:Um, well, I mean the ultimate, the ultimate one. The circle is where and when is the Scarlet Witch going to come back?
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, I've, I've been saying it, since I don't know she might be the ex Machina that comes in to save the day. I've been saying it since WandaVision ended.
Speaker 2:There's your main character. I mean, obviously her power set is a little ridiculous, but when's that ever stopped anyone before? That's your main character. That's your character that you've done the most narrative character work with. Period Like since probably from Infinity War on, that's the character, maybe outside, maybe, maybe besides spider-man, that's the character that you've done the most character work with and narrative work and emotional grounding and like people are invested in her. Where is she? Like that, like that's the character you need to be building this yeah thing around.
Speaker 1:We kind of went on a tangent when we were done last week about simu liu, specifically as shang chi, and like right, we were kind of looking at the landscape of the phase four films and the phase five. So the all the multiversal saga stuff. We were like wait a minute, like out of all the things that people like to say, like I thought shang chi, people liked that movie a lot and the action was great. Yeah, and like I'll die on the hill, it has one of the most forgivable cgi 30 acts ever. And like he's charismatic. And like kung fu's cool and he's got a mcguffin. Like he's got a thing like why daniel destin creighton's cooking.
Speaker 1:Like why not put more investment? And that doesn't seem like a movie that takes a lot to make a sequel to. And now we're in the age where you're getting your defenders back in there. I'll always harp on on this. Like you can put, you get Finn Jones back and you do the war of the set or you do the, you do the the battle of the seven cities, and like you have you know, come on into the into the mix, and like it's a team up movie between the two of them. Like it feels like there's just something more for Shang-Chi. And then they had the audacity to do the Ten Rings post-credits scene and make it the biggest deal and he hasn't been seen for three years. Like I just I don't understand.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's kind of wild man and I don't think it's going to continue. I don't think it's going to get less wild. So that's that. Yeah, let's talk some. Let's talk some, let's talk shop, I guess. So our proviso is we're going to pitch what? One TV show, limited series, whatever you want to say, and then a movie, right, mm-hmm, cool, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Do you want to talk first? I talk first. Yeah, why don't you start with your television? We'll end with the movies, because people love the pictures, so we'll start with the shows.
Speaker 2:I do shows, I do, I do in true marvel fashion. I do have some synergy between my tv show and my movie. Okay, okay, um, my tv show, um, if you've heard me talk on this podcast about characters that I really wanted to see back um and have not yet, um, I want, I, I am throwing out there a revival, a continuation daredevil born again, ask of. Of Cloak Dagger. Mmm, I love it. Is Marvel Rivals inspiring? I just man, I just have fond memories of that show and the types of themes that it's woven to. I love the kind of warping of the Top top, you know top billing. I'm keeping Aubrey Joseph and Olivia Holt. Um, they're both still there. They actually fit kind of perfect like into like a continuation of cloak and dagger where they're both a little older or adults now yeah, they're more, more adult.
Speaker 2:Um, and I loved. You know, my biggest compliment for that show was the twisting of the backstories. Instead of making Ty the kid from the broken home, yada, yada, yada, it was inversed, where Ty was the one that came from the privileged home and Tandy was the one that came from the. And you know the idea that you know, typically in the comics, cloak is the, obviously, clo, cloak is darkness, dagger, dagger is light. But in the show it was inverse, where she was kind of battling the demons and, despite their power set, he was the light, she was the darkness. And then they come into. You know, obviously they have. You know I love the second.
Speaker 2:So my TV show pitch would be a cloak and dagger kind of daredevil born again continuation where they go up against rocks on, properly, obviously rocks on, responsible for their powers and the reason that they are who they are. And then, you know you, you know they probably like eight to 10 episodes of them, they're already cloaking dagger, they're in New York. You know you, you know they probably like eight to 10 episodes of them, they're already cloaking dagger, they're in New York, you know, cause, that's kind of where the show left off, was they kind of were going on a journey you know to be heroes and they're cloaking dagger, they're in New York, they're doing things, they uncover the rocks on conspiracy Maybe. Maybe a little bit of Kingpin involved there.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, that would be amazing. Give them a good like broader villain, it would help him and help them, I think too. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Mix a little bit of Kingpin in there and you just, you know, you take these two really charming leads and just have them do what they did best in the original show. Um, do what they did best in the original show. Um, as for who I would want to show run it oh man, there's a lot of choices. I could go um, who would I want to show run? Um, you know, I probably want to do it.
Speaker 2:Um, I'm trying to think of the names, the two that directed the pilot and finale of Ms Marvel. Marvel, that would of dynamic, and I think they understood the young adult dynamic of Ms Marvel and I think that would just segue wonderfully into a little bit more of a mature, you know. Next step is on cloak and dagger. I mean, olivia Holt is 27,. You know, aubrey Joseph is, um, I believe, also 27. I think they're both the their mid-20s, so I think it'd just be perfect. And Marvel, the MCU, specifically Ms Marvel aside, and Kate Bishop kind of sort of, but Kate was dealing with a lot of adults in Hawkeye, so it wasn't really a young adult theme type of deal, whereas Ms marvel definitely was um, and cloak and dagger definitely was at the time, and I think you get them in there to direct eight to ten episodes, um, and then and then, and then and then. Um, we will see where that bleeds into with the movie that I'm kicking around, my movie, my movie idea, I don't.
Speaker 1:We'll see, we'll see, we'll see I love it, I love it, I love it. I think that was, I think that was phenomenal. I think cloak and dagger is characters that still have so much more to be explored because they don't have any time to stop exploring because they were so young like. I want to see more of that. Um, that show brings potential for crossover, but not even if it doesn't, like that story, run right with the right writers, right showrunners, like that might just be one of the it's like an agatha situation where it's just like this, you know, a solid, like a, just a very well-written television show that has clear direction and clear purpose yeah, and it's one of those things, like I said, daredevil born again kind of inspired, like here they are, boom.
Speaker 2:We spent season one of Cloak Dagger spends a lot of time with them coming to grips with their powers, and season two is when they really start mixing it up and then they don't really hit the. You know, ironically, the time they hit their stride as Cloak Dagger, it's in that runaways crossover it is.
Speaker 1:It is because that's like the most primed version of them that we've gotten up.
Speaker 2:It's pretty cool because, like the runaways are like we don't know, like we don't know what we're doing, like our powers are all kind of like like we don't really know what we're doing, and a cloak and dagger show up and they're heroes. Like they, they have like this unspoken bond, like they have this chemistry together and you're like wow, like there's, you're, you guys are, you guys are a real deal so I think, like to further expand upon that and then give them kind of like, you know, a, a villain in.
Speaker 2:No, you don't, like I said, fisk wouldn't necessarily be the villain, but he would be the backdrop of like, oh man, more freaking, this one, these ones are magic, but not. But not, there's like science, magic which, um, like I said, will bleed, bleed into my, my movie concept. So, um, yeah, cloak and dagger. I'm, I'm championing the return of cloak and dagger. Someone's, someone's bound to listen, someone's about it's bound to happen. Um, and if we're in the, if we're in the business of bringing actors back, I think olivia holt and aubrey joseph um play those characters brilliantly.
Speaker 1:So I'm on, I'm on board, outstanding um, I'm having a tough time picking which one I want to go with because I have several written down. I'm trying to pick which one for my television show. This one's difficult because I don't know if this one plays better as a film or as a television show, but I just think it's a Marvel story that needs to be told for a couple different reasons and I think you can tackle a lot of themes with it. But in the way that you were never expecting to, silver surfer has always been one of my favorite characters. Uh and uh-huh.
Speaker 1:What donnie kates did with silver surfer black, leading into kind of him taking over the thor title after that, is just nothing short of magic. Um, I love these little like. Oh, not, they're not necessarily because he canonized the Silver Surfer Black, but at the time it was coming out and I remember I got it and I was just, I was so blown away. The art's not immediately the art that I love out of the comics. Like I'm really like a photorealistic. So, like guys like Gary Frank, gary Frank, obviously Alex Ross like and Alex Ross never usually does his own, like he never usually like dips into full comics, he'll usually do covers. But like I, I'm really big into like the photorealism from my comic art. I just help. I feel like it like kind of grounds it for me. Um, the art is not that in silver, surfer, black, that tells you how incredible this story is. So I'm gonna pitch this as I'm gonna pitch this as this like kind of like subvariant feel, not the subject matter, just the feel of kind of like it's got a little sprinkle of how the loki, how loki made you feel, but like with this like interstellar film type of feel to it. Um, this kind of like space bounding existentialism piece, I think would be really cool.
Speaker 1:It's like all the things that the eternals wanted to get right, like put into one character like focused on just nor and rad and kind of his like his battling with himself over like is he a monster himself for executing galactus's will or is this what needs to be done for the betterment of the universe? Like if you can grab an actor like obviously this would never happen. But if you grab an actor like an austin butler or you grab an actor like somebody that can really kind of like like, just kind of like portray like this like brokenness, like I I don't know why, I imagine like, not even, not necessarily like, not even his voice, just the way that he and it goes into the later seasons of the show, but even an Aaron Paul way of thinking it, of this broken nature and this trying to find this purpose and do I have this purpose? And the thing I love about Silver Surfer Black is because Donny Cates puts a time clock on it. I like when stories do that a bit of like oh shoot, now I have to move. He gets infected and now he has this lingering presence of Noel behind him and like it's this like space winding long form. But it's all wrapped up in six issues, if I'm not mistaken. Six or 12 issues, I can't remember. Just this absolutely monumental piece of comic book storytelling Like this is one of the comics where you're reading, you're just like these aren't just comics, like these are just incredible stories through and through. So I think a silver surfer black like five to six episode like and like you can play the hits like go over, like, have them, like and like. Obviously the silver surfer black is kind of it's in a funny way, it's kind of contained, like ego shows up, obviously noel's the main villain, but like it's not that simple, like I feel like it would be cool if, like hey, he runs into like the shiar empire or something like that, or like he's in space, like he gets, like he accidentally stumbles upon omnipotent city, like things like that, just to canonize it to the mcu, but like just this like existentialism piece about you know, kind of like the intricacies of, like you know, good versus evil and kind of like, like I said, like this interstellar piece, like this ambient piece, like a level of ambience would go with this, like it's something I imagine somebody like Greg Frazier would shoot you know what I mean, which he'd never do. But I just feel like a piece like this would be incredible.
Speaker 1:In terms of showrunner, I'm going to who was Loki's showrunner. I forget who it was. That's probably where I'm looking first For score. I'm going immediately to Natalie Holt and I'm having her do the score. Whoever directed the last episode of Loki, season 2, I forget who it was. That's who I'm getting to direct this. Um, but I feel like we can truthfully get like an incredible television show. It's something that's not immediately like this, like it's kind of I hope it plays a little bit how like werewolf by night, but people don't never forget about it. Like it's just this piece that like it really accentuates, like the experience of, like loneliness, like I really want to hit on, like the loneliness that Noren feels and like he's the last survivor of his own race and like he, finally, he kind of, you know, in a sick and sadistic way, finds kinship with Galactus because of that they're both the last survivors of their race. Like it's, it's, I just feel like it would be just such this incredible, like I didn't know Marvel was capable of doing this type of television show.
Speaker 2:That'd be super cool, I'd be super in on that. That. That sounds like right up, like you know, talk about like I love a good, I love a good character study. Yeah, exactly, exactly. And the character study on silver surfer would be cool, especially since we're seeing, obviously the the alt silver surfer, um, in the fantastic four movie, so to to kind of like I think I think that fits perfectly like synergy wise too, with like the mcu. Like you know, you saw this silver surfer like in the fantastic four movie. But now we're gonna do like a mini. It's like you're already familiar with the concept of the silver surfer.
Speaker 1:Now we going to introduce Noren Rad proper in this little self-isolation, almost like one-man show type thing and you can approach Galactus because you talk about I think it's Silver Surfer Requiem. I think it came out in the late 90s. I don't know if it was Neil Ga game, I don't know if it was neil gaiman or who. Um or who, or who wrote it? Um, I don't think it was mark wade. I'm gonna look it up real quick because that story is also the same thing. The art as well too. Um is just absolutely incredible, but it's again, it's. It's like a. It was j michael straczynski that wrote it, but it was like again.
Speaker 1:It's like this existentialist, like this study of Noren Rad, and I just think he's one of the more, if not most, interesting characters out of comics. Like he's this, he's this, like he's this being of like consummate power and like he really tests the limits of his power in Silver Not really test the limits, but like needs. He kind of has to know how much power he needs to kind of survive throughout the limits of his power and silver. Not really test the limits, but like needs, he kind of has to know how much power he needs to kind of survive throughout the events of silver, surfer, black. But I just feel like, like I said like this, like character study, interstellar feel, with a little bit of like dash of loki if you want to relate it to the mcu feel, um, this ambience that comes along with it as well too. I feel like that would just be like you get an actor that can really just kind of portray that I was gonna say you have an actor in mind.
Speaker 1:I mean, like I said, like I feel like you need an actor that's a bit like, a bit sublime, you know what I mean, like you need somebody that's kind of like they can operate in the space. I've always loved, loved, loved the idea of of. Why can't I remember his name? I can't remember his name. That was in Atlanta and was in Judas and the Black Messiah. Why can't I remember his name? And that was in. Sorry to Bother you, I can't remember. Oh, lakeith Stanfield, lakeith Stanfield, I don't know. There's something about Lakeith Stanfield that really can really drive home that, like I have Posts to happen, or is it potentially still happening? He wants it to happen and I said he can still be the main 616. It's his voice. His voice carries so much.
Speaker 2:His voice is important.
Speaker 1:His voice carries so much tenure with it. It's like his voice carries. I've seen some stuff like. I've seen some things in my lifetime much has silver surfer seen. And, like I said, like keep ralph inison as galactus and keep that voice. But I want him to be more of a presence. Like it's same thing as interstellar, the way that the you know. Obviously we learned who it was at the end of the movie, but the same thing the way that the black holes were working and the way that the beings quote-unquote were working. Like I want galactus to be kind of the approach aeration was taking, but even more on that side of like he only visits him at certain moments. We don't see the extent of him because to him he's just a piece of his mind. So I think you could truthfully get some incredible limited series like this, absolutely just peace on. Like and, like I said, like I want the main theme to kind of be just loneliness, like a simple theme that all of us can face at some point yeah, that sounds.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'd be super. It sounds very depressing.
Speaker 1:Is that my bag, that's fine, though I'm down with that.
Speaker 2:I just I love feel like people would like cling to that and it'd be cool for like to like cling to silver surfer as a character too. Like I think people have this kind of you know, obviously colored by the the fantastic four movie like he's just kind of like this existential being, like this dr manhattan style creature that like doesn't have any like emotional tether, but like that's not true exactly, but it's not true. So I feel like doing like a series on silver surfer could be really, really cool so lakeith stanfield would be my silver surfer.
Speaker 1:Um, I hope the mcu picks him up as the silver surfer. That would be awesome. Um, and again put like you don't need to go insane visual effects, like you don't need to do anything insane. Like you like, like I. Like kurt russell shows up as ego, or his voice is ego. You know, know what I mean. To stay true to the comic. Like he rolls through it, like he sees like you got your little Easter eggs. Like maybe he comes in contact with like Jeffrey Wright as the watcher at some point. You know what I mean. Like just some, like like those voices, like there's something about the voices of the show that can echo, like there's just like. Like I said, there's like an ambience that needs to come with this show. It's like it's like this heartbreaking, subtle ambience that can come with this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that sounds super cool. I'm in Kevin. Are you in Kevin's in? I'm on.
Speaker 1:She's also in the guy that played Jasper Sitwell, that I'm too lazy to Google. His name, clark Gregg's always in. He'll be like, yeah, pat, and also always, always, always into um the movies, films, the pictures, the pictures.
Speaker 2:Um, I guess we'll just volley back and forth, so I guess I'll go I mentioned before, I had some, I had some synergy with my tv series and my movie and I do so. Picture this my cloak and dagger season ends. They, they, they, stormxanne, you know, big fight, big battle breaks out. The buildings leveled, destroyed. Um, in the, in the, in the depths of the roxanne corporation's basement, they were withholding something that they've been experimenting with and it's a symbiote and the symbiote escapes.
Speaker 1:I know what you're doing. Hold on. You don't know what I'm doing. No, don't do what's his name.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not doing a symbiote, and I'm not doing the vampire centaur horse symbiote, either.
Speaker 1:That's a balanced breakfast.
Speaker 2:It's a symbiote with a red tinge and that segues right into my Spider-Man film, maximum Carnage oh shoot that. Spider-man film. Maximum Carnage oh shoot. That. Features Cloak and Dagger teaming up with Spider-Man to take Carnage down. And then, obviously, tom Holland is back. I bring in my Cloak and Dagger group. Matthew Vaughn will be directing that's really cool.
Speaker 1:I quite like that a bit. I think Matthew Vaughn is awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he has experience with the superhero genre, experience with younger actors, actors and frenetic action. Obviously, with Kingsman, I will be leaning on the younger side also with my Carnage casting Jamie Campbell Bower. That's good, that's actually phenomenal.
Speaker 1:If he doesn't play the Joker, then that's phenomenal.
Speaker 2:Playing Cletus Kasady, and the movie is just about Spider-Man, tom Holland, spider-man going up, you know cause we talked about with Spider-Man no way home, where like it was kind of refreshing to see him go up against like a proper psychopath and him being like what is this? So the you know, obviously the next level ascension from Norman not from Willem Dafoe's green goblin is carnage. Who is a proper psychopath? Um, definitely want to lean into, lean away from the woody harrelson type of carnage where, like he was kind of like whoa, he's kind of wacky, like jamie campbell bauer, like we saw him in stranger things, like can be properly scary and that's what I want.
Speaker 1:And scary as like jamie campbell bauer, not scary as vechna, like scary as the actual actor.
Speaker 2:Yeah so you bring cloak and dagger in because they're like, oh no, like, what have we done? Like we, we freaking, unearth this monster into new york and now spider-man's got to deal with it. But throughout, throughout this movie, there's something going on with ty. He's a little little off. No, no, don't say it, he's a little off. You don't? No, no, don't say it, he's a little off, you don't know why. And then you get to the end of the movie and you realize that tie has been being manipulated by the spot of Mephisto nightmare. And that will segue. What will propel what I love about yeah, see, what I love about cloak and daggers? You can just bounce them around Like they're messing with Spider-Man for a little bit. Now you get to the end and that will propel Cloak Dagger to the future, not to the actual future, but the future of their little Cloak Dagger franchise, where they will then next be seen teaming up with Doctor Strange to cure Ty from whatever machinations of Mephisto is infecting his Dark Force dimension. And that's for another podcast episode, holy crap.
Speaker 1:maybe we need to part two this. All the pitches went great. Marvel's like hey, bring you guys back, give us more good ideas.
Speaker 2:Like I said, the versatility of characters like Cloak and Dagger. They can just bounce around, they can do the street level stuff, they can do the supernatural around, they can do the street level stuff, they can do the supernatural stuff, they can do the superheroing stuff. They can do the superheroing stuff, like you know, just keep pinballing them from character to character, Like Tevin, because like, obviously, look, I'm not dumb, cloak and Dagger's not making a billion dollars. Put Cloak and Dagger in a Spider-Man movie, though against man movie, though against carnage. Now we're cooking, and then you sprinkle, like you kind of like I'm kind of like picturing, like doing a cloak and dagger with, like what they should have done with the hulk, and like sprinkle a little like, put the hulk in this thing, sprinkle a little hulk lore into your, into your movie, into your avengers movie. But they stopped doing that. So like I would want that for cloak and dagger. And then maybe, like you do, like a you know, then you just keep pinballing them.
Speaker 2:Do Dr Strange, do Mephisto do nightmare and keep it going. Um, I didn't really think about my nightmare casting. I would probably go with what's his name? Who played um Ramsey Bolton in game and Thrones and Maximus and the Inhumans. Uh, the freak is his name, uh, ewan Rian, just just a pale creepy looking proper, just villain, like he's young, like again same, like on the younger side of actors like oh, you know who would play a good nightmare?
Speaker 1:uh, jack O'Connell from Challengers?
Speaker 2:oh yeah, because he can be like even a little bit of a jerk on top of it too, which I imagine nightmare is yeah, yeah, but like we don't see nightmare throughout the movie, like he's, and then just kind of like like maybe, maybe, like, maybe, you know, you get to the end of the movie and like cloak is kind of like really getting consumed, so like tandy takes him to the sanctum again. That's why I'm, you know, envisioning this whole saga taking place in new york, because all the heroes are there now, you know. I mean I'm building off the fact that all these heroes are there.
Speaker 1:You can spin off whatever this doctor, strange cloak and dagger project right into the main movie team movie, which would be the midnight suns at that point, yeah, barring us getting a blade movie, barring us getting Black Knight and something then they're already in like Tandy brings Ty to the Sanctum and Doctor Strange is like Mephisto I know this mark, it's Mephisto, come with me, children.
Speaker 2:And then you get Benedict Cumberbatch palling around with a couple younger actors and he gets to be like he just gets to be Doctor Strange, he gets to do all the magic-ing. You kind of get like tie sidelines. So it's kind of like Tandy like operating by herself for a little bit. Yeah yeah, I put some thought into this. I put a little bit of thought into this. I'm brand synergy, I'm a big brand synergy guy, I like it. And then Spider-Man just keeps Spider-Man-ing. Like I'm a big brand synergy guy, I like it. And then Spider-Man just keep Spider-Man-ing Like I'm not worried, I'm not involved in the Spider-Man sect of the Marvel Universe, that's Sony's bad.
Speaker 1:I used him to get. No, I used the Spider-Man to destroy the Spider-Man.
Speaker 2:I used Spider-Man to make Cloak and Dagger more powerful and more profitable. Spider-man's always going to be profitable, me, my money.
Speaker 1:This is crazy man. What have you done?
Speaker 2:and then you get like a cool like just think about that third act fight scene spider-man and cloak and dagger fighting carnage that would probably go insane.
Speaker 1:venom comes out To help. He just shows up, tom Hardy, why not? Maybe he's like the ex-Machina he catches Venom's punch before it stabs Spider-Man.
Speaker 2:I do a cool callback to the to the pastor joke from Venom 2. Not you father, you father. The crowd goes, supes goes wild. He understood that reference he's in. But yeah, it's a little you, it's. It's like the cloak and dagger show is a little more elevated, like street level. Ish, spider-man carnage, you get, it's getting a little wacky. End of the spider-man movie magic and now we're doing magic. But again, that's why cloak and dagger are great avatars, because they fit into all types of genre in Marvel. Hmm, yeah, and you obviously call it Spider-Man Maximum Carnage because, of course, oh, in keeping with the classic Marvel tradition of we're going to name it after this famous comic and not have anything to do with the comic, you just name it Maximum Carnage and call it a day Outstanding. Yeah, and you don't kill Carnage at. Call it a day Outstanding.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you don't kill Carnage at the end, like they did in Venom 2. No, you put him in prison.
Speaker 1:You put him in a low security prison where he conceivably will break out, and then you do a post-credits scene with Michael Keaton again and he gets the Carnage symbiote?
Speaker 2:No, no. Then we can start talking symbiotes. I, then we can start talking symbiotes. I'll hand the cloak and dagger brains off to somebody else and I'll take over the symbiote sect of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Then we get extreme-biote. We bring Robert Downey Jr back. This is insane. Iron man, your suit's been hijacked by a symbiote are you much cooler now actually, alright, go ahead.
Speaker 1:I'm so torn about this one. I was also torn. The tv show pitch is difficult, but the movie pitch is like you need a grand idea because obviously you want to make money, you want to hit your billion dollars. Uh, you want to hit your billion, you want to do all these fun things, right. So you keep this one simple. But dead bull and and Wolverine made a billion dollars, uh-oh.
Speaker 1:Once upon a time we got the joke of the X-Force. How about we do a tried and true X-Force movie? Some of the best parts of Deadpool and Wolverine were actually some of Wolverine's somber backstory. Yeah, and we kind of said like, not only like, it's not that he's cool, it's not that he's back. That was the best Hugh Jackman had been as Wolverine outside of Logan. So you're talking like a prime version of Wolverine. That is the absolute best he had been up to that point. Just do do the X-Force now. Like, this is the prime time to do the X-Force.
Speaker 1:But you do something simple. You go to your local comic book store. You reach on the shelf, you grab Rick Remender's X-Force run and you do the run. This is going to do a few things. The number one piece about this X-Force run is that Deadpool is the emotional core of this team. I think that is a phenomenal idea and the next natural progression for Ryan Reynolds to be like wait a minute, I don't need to be the butt of every single joke, I'm still gonna be me, but like I'm gonna feel something, um, like I'm actually gonna be somebody, somebody feel something. Two, you get to bring your old actors back again, and the main one you're gonna do you're gonna bring olivia munn back as psylocke oh, yes, I love that're also going to bring the original person that played Angel in X-Men Last Stand.
Speaker 1:I forget his name.
Speaker 2:That was what's his name.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, he's the guy from the things he actually has been in a bunch of stuff. Yeah, freaking Ben Foster. Yeah, ben Foster, you bring Ben Foster back as Angel in this movie. How old is Ben Foster?
Speaker 2:He's older now. He's like 40-something.
Speaker 1:I still think he plays Angel in this. He plays an older version of Angel.
Speaker 2:You've got to convince him to get in wicked shape, though.
Speaker 1:He's 44. He's not and Hugh Jackman's 95, so we're good. But yeah, I'd take a shot on this one and you bring ben foster back because, like I guarantee you he probably wasn't pitched that way for x-men last stand, like he probably wasn't pitched the way that they made angel in that movie to be a c character in that movie. So, like, let him have his fun. Or you get the, the younger guy that played him in x-men apocalypse.
Speaker 1:You do the first arc because it's one of the best comic arcs I've ever read. I love it because it's an argument. It's such a good theme. It's the baby Hitler thing. Do you time travel and murder baby Hitler to prevent everything? And then, if you want to put the Marvelisms on top of it, you play by the rules. Like, hey, we have a chance to kill Apocalypse right as a baby. I don't know how he came back, I don't know what happened, I don't know who's pulling strings, but somebody needed baby apocalypse back. They got baby apocalypse back and we know what he's gonna grow up into. He's gonna scorch the earth if we let him. But then deadpool magic's. He's like I don't think this is morally okay. This child didn't do anything yet. That child is innocent right now, obviously obviously Wolverine's like.
Speaker 1:Deadpool. Two thing yes, yes, with Russell Firefist. Yeah, do you tread all the ground? Maybe, but I think you can do this in a way where it's like you get apocalypse and you get like a. You get a kid actor to play apocalypse like and you do X force. But it's not a comedy necessarily this time. It's like an action dramedy this time.
Speaker 1:And, like I said, I think I'm bringing David Leitch back, especially with what he's done. I don't know if David Leitch plays too much of having a lot of fun with his movies now, which is great. Obviously, that's an amazing thing. That's not a bad thing. Obviously, off the fall guy, I'm just thinking action based based off that opinion and his, obviously, like he's already been in the deadpool franchise, um, I think you bring david leach back to direct this. But, like I said, like you do heavy hand to hand, you have fun, like, don't have to do a billion like cgi effects, anything like that too. Uh, here's your twist, here's the big thing. The fifth member of this team is phantom x. No, phantom x does not take off. That mask this whole movie. Phantom x keeps that mask on the whole movie we're doing, uh, doing the old what's his name?
Speaker 2:from teen titans also an x yeah, red x.
Speaker 1:I forget who, what his name was. I love teen titans. You keep this simple. You never take off Phantom X's mask. Do all the comic Phantom X-isms, all the things. You don't need to dip into the Mojo World stuff, but like Phantom X's ship that's alive, all these things. You just know he's a mutant. You just know he has his powers and misdirection, all these things, that's it. And he's just now hand-to-hand, just like can go toe to toe with Deadpool, that's it. That's it. You do your big reveal at the end. It's.
Speaker 1:It's James McAvoy playing who Phantom X in some iterations is, which is Charles Xavier himself, like that's. That's kind of how it plays out. So I think that would be insane. That'd be so cool. It gets. It gets James McAvoy back in this franchise, but it gets James McAvoy back in this franchise. But also it gets James McAvoy active. Sorry, professor X, that wasn't an ableism joke. That's not going to go over well with the woke mom, sorry, but I think a tried and true X-Force movie.
Speaker 1:You do what they're doing with Tom and I love James Gunn's approach that he's taking. He's like if Tom King wrote Supergirl Woman tomorrow, why shouldn't he help us make the movie? Do the same thing. You bring Rick Remender in to help make this movie. You get David Leitch, obviously, hugh Jackman, ryan Reynolds, olivia Munn, ben Foster, james McAvoy that's a pretty good cast of characters to lead the movie. You keep it simple, you get a character to play. If you want to like, like, centralize it a little bit, you probably get mr sinister to be the one that's been pulling the strings to make sure that apocalypse came back, so apocalypse can then in turn make him the horseman and then it's a closed loop and then we can get all confused again.
Speaker 2:I think that would be a fun ride so you're really testing the, uh, the dramatic chops of deb hul I want to see it like I want to see.
Speaker 1:I want to see it Like I want to see. I want to see it. I like, I want to see the shift to go away from like it's not, like it shouldn't be. Like a funny Deadpool presents the X-Force again. Like what? Like no, we're doing an X-Force movie where Hugh Jackman and Ryan Reynolds are the main characters, but still, and play off Deadpool and Wolverine.
Speaker 1:This is the sequel to this movie. Still, but have it be like whatever universe they're in, they're going forward in this universe. And like this is the x-men hit team that people can't know about. And like again for the x-men 97 jokes like who apocalypse? Like this universe has already rounded out apocalypse already. They already defeated apocalypse at some point. And this universe like do it like have kid apocalypse? Be there and be like oh, shoot, oh dear. Like, oh, like literally, oh dear. Like do we need to murder this child? And like deadpool's the first one, that's like no. And again, maybe to your point, you use his experience with russell. Be like no, like you can't necessarily do that. But then now, who's there? Now wolverine's there, to be like yeah, we can. Like you know who's he gonna grow up to be. How many lives did he take? How many mutants did he corrupt? Like we're gonna keep doing this or no?
Speaker 1:Like psylocke's, like psylocke and or olivia munn and ben foster have their relationship in this movie. Like they're around the same age too, right, olivia? Yeah, munn's not. Uh, how old is olivia munn? She is, she's 44. They're the exact same age, perfect. So I feel like that would play. That would play really cool, like you do, like I said, like you, literally just the same way, james gunn's taking what supergirl woman of tomorrow? Take that first act of rick remender's x-force and you turn that into the movie and you, you co-tail it off the heels right of deadpool and wolverine, but you kind of spin it a little bit more dramatically.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I really like that. I like that because it also, like it, doesn't it alleviates, like Deadpool, fatigue. I'm like, oh, he's just doing this again, which I mean to be fair, like all three of those movies have been wildly successful, but still, like, at the same time, like you do want, like let's see what else, let's see what else this character's got, like I said, put him into like the main, like emotional core of this thing like make him like make him like the actually morally, like hey, maybe it's not right to murder a child, maybe that's not overtly the first answer we should have.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and like I feel like the james mcavoy reveal would be insane. Like you can spin it a little bit, because I think the comic way is like it's the comic, so it's dumb. It's not dumb, but it's like just convoluted in a way, but like you can simplify it a little bit. Like you can do a clone, you can do all. Like whatever you choose to do. You know what I mean, but I just feel like it would be a cool and also like cool, also like invokes like the dead, not deadpool, the wolverineor X relationship that the movies built up.
Speaker 1:They were like thicker than thieves the two of them, and it gets James McAvoy into that piece too. It kind of furthers the Days of Future Past relationship that they had too. I really like that. The reveal happens and then they're like what the Charles is that you Kind of oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, get out of here, beast. They should just put Nicholas Holt's Beast. No, put Kelsey Grammer Put his Beast in there For no reason. But yeah, rick Remembers X-Force, the first arc, with the whole apocalypse being back and being like, oh shoot this can't be good.
Speaker 2:It's never. It's never good when apocalypse is involved.
Speaker 1:Um nice I can't believe ben foster and olivia munner are the same age. I know right now this movie needs to get made right like this is a heaven. Yeah, james max mcavoy. I mean I'm holding my theory that I just think keep it simple, mcu, and just have him and fat spenderender be Professor X and Magneto again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's weird Because now they're older, they aged into it.
Speaker 1:Especially Michael Fassbender.
Speaker 2:They're too young to do those characters now. Nope, nope, it's been 100 years since they've been those characters. So they've actually aged perfectly. Maybe that was the plan all along, and they're both phenomenal. Because Kevin Feige was involved with those X-Men movies, right?
Speaker 1:The original ones.
Speaker 2:Okay, I was going to say this was the long con by Kevin Feige. He kept those guys on ice until they aged into their roles.
Speaker 1:Cool man, I'll give you an opportunity. If you want, you can give me a one-shot, if you want, from one of your ideas that you probably have. You can give me a one shot really quick, like a special, like the Marvel presents.
Speaker 2:Oh, like a werewolf by night-esque type deal. I mean the easiest one and I almost went full send with it. But it's an idea that me and you have kicked around so many times and it's the heroes for hire thing with Mike Colter and Finn Jones Love it. I just let them beat up some gangsters. I have that written down right here Like an hour and a half.
Speaker 1:I literally have that written down right here.
Speaker 2:And like 45 minutes.
Speaker 1:The only reason I didn't I could have won a. There's an alternate universe where I want. Heroes for hire was my television show and silver surfer black was my movie. I just think a long form for silver server would be a little cooler. Um, but I love it. I love it. I love a hero, heroes for hire, anything like same, your same thought about, like cloak and dagger, being able to like inflect characters, and same thing. You can infuse anybody into this narrative and it would make sense. Like daredevil can show up, jessica jones can show up. But you can go even further, like if shang chi, if seymour blue showed up, I wouldn't even bat an eye. Yeah, if freaking blade showed up, but he already was, he already was what's cotton mouth?
Speaker 2:and I wouldn't bat an eye can somebody please help me fight these vampires? No, no, we're not going to blade.
Speaker 1:Yeah but you're, but you but you're bulletproof. Yeah, luke cage can't be bitten bitten by a vampire if they bite him in the eye maybe. Oh, remember when they did that in season one? Yeah, they did that in jessica jones. Yeah, man, remember when he showed up in jessica jones? Everybody's like yo, this is amazing, and he's a bartender he was a cool bartender.
Speaker 2:I love the way he fights in those shows.
Speaker 1:You know what, what I would absolutely love Because this happened in the comics that they have a kid together, and that's what part of the Jessica Jones show is about. Like it's just their parents now A sitcom, hey man.
Speaker 2:A Luke Cage Jessica Jones sitcom, but like Malcolm, in the Middle-esque. Yeah, I love the way he fights in those shows, man, he fights like Steven Seagal.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I told you that he's just batting people inside. But yeah, heroes, I would just do a Heroes for Hire. Fifty minutes of just Luke Cage and Iron Fist just beating up gangsters, I think that would be fun.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna go with a last-stitch King Thor story. Oh, with a last stitch king thor story. Oh, an old man, an old man, thor. So give me an, give me chris hemsworth. Old man crips hemsworth. He's got his daughters running around kind of doing his bidding, um, but I want it to be like, if this makes sense, I want it to be like a bit of like a asgard conspiracy. That's happened all these years, but you find out it was gore pulling these strings, who never died in the first place. You convince Christian Bale to come back in some way, shape or form, for a Marvel Presents on Disney+. This one's more hypotheticals, and just we're having a little bit of fun.
Speaker 2:This guy spent the Disney Plus budget on his On Christian Bale. Just Christian Bale. Have him look like gore this time. Maybe we're having a little bit of fun. But this guy spent the disney plus budget on his on christian bale, just christian bale.
Speaker 1:Have him look like gore this time, maybe him baby, uh, but yeah, I feel like it'd be fun. You bring back tom hiddleston, you bring back chris hemsworth, you bring back christian bale. Um, you, just you play the hits essentially like but this is just like an homage to like one of the most 10 tenured characters in the mcu and like he's an old man now, like he's the kid. He's like rune king thor, so like his power, has power, like he's just stupid powerful. But like gore's just like manipulating. Maybe gore gets to one of his daughters as well too and kind of manipulates her to try to take the throne of asgard and take his power from him as well too. Loki's kind of like doing his loki isms, like he still is the god of stories, this good, but he still has a little bit of like this like he can't shake it.
Speaker 1:Like, but then in the end he does. He like he realizes no, that's my brother. Like I'll never let anything happen to him. Like I feel like that would be a fun, like one shot.
Speaker 1:Like old man thor, like a possible future-esque, like gore, comes back and like at the end thor like stands up. Obviously he wouldn't have his arm, he'd have like that metal arm. He'd have store, he'd have stormbreaker he'd have. Like he'd just come up and he'd be like you must have forgot who I am. Like I know I'm in this old man sitting on this throne and like if it's been like years for him, how many years has it been in like earth years? Like we're in the far, far future, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like sure, I'm still the god of thunder at the end of the day and I'm gonna show you how powerful I am. And like they just come to blows for like the last 10 minutes, just this absolutely universe breaking fight between the two of them. Like he's got the necro sword again, but like this time it's like proper necro sword. You'll be sick if he could wield mjolnir in that too. Like gore found a way to manipulate mjolnir to be wielded by himself I love.
Speaker 2:I love the dichotomy of our ideas where I was like I stuck more like street level stuff and went like just cosmic. I think that's really cool. What's your?
Speaker 1:favorite marvel movie man, it's probably winter soldier still, and mine's guardians of the galaxy that that kind of backs up these ideas yeah, it's still probably winter soldier um.
Speaker 2:So yeah, that that was fun, we've got approved budgets approved. I got nine universal acclaim.
Speaker 1:I got $900 million for my, for my Thor one shot. That's amazing.
Speaker 2:Um, so, so, recapping, um, I have pitched the the cloak and dagger cinematic universe, basically, um, starting with a cloak and dagger mini series on Disney, plus, um daredevil Born Again inspired, bringing back our two original actors, olivia Holt and Aubrey Joseph, bleeding into a Spider-Man sequel, maximum Carnage that will then also bleed into a Doctor Strange sequel, all of which Cloak Dagger will play, like I said, kind of like Hulk-inspired, like Clo and dagger running doing having their own little story inside of these other films. Um, I think would be really, really cool. And then on your side you have a silver surfer black inspired silver surfer tv series and a x-force inspired well, not x-force silver surfer black would be a little, a little looser than the comic, I think, because I want it to be like.
Speaker 1:I want it to be like a real cinematic feel to it, like that's what I'd really want to be, like this is like a, this is like a film or this is like a, like this is event television. Yeah, um, the x-force obviously would be a little bit more act, not a little bit a lot more action, heavy um. But I want david leach to lead into what he does, especially with psylocke, especially with wolverine, especially with deadpool, especially with phantom x, like that's a great cast of characters to do it with. Um. And then, yeah, my king thor, like it's like one, it's like also, like it's a meta commentary on, like chris hemsworth himself in the mcu, like he's one of the oldest guard of the mcu, still kicking, like I think he would have fun, and all of them would have fun, to get back together one more time.
Speaker 1:Tiger Watiti's not invited. No, he can't come. Korg's not there. That's not the story we're telling. That's not the story we're telling. If this Hercules thing works out, him and Hercules being two god bro, best friends that both sit on the thrones of their respective pantheons, obviously Odin, and two god bro best friends that both sit on the thrones of their respective yeah, respective like pantheons, like like obviously, odin and zeus would be dead by this time. So like hercules is like what's up, bro, and thor's like what's up, bro. Remember remember back then, dude, when we were fighting that one time and thor 5, directed by george miller, remember that?
Speaker 2:um, and then yeah, heroes for hire. Obviously. Why hasn't? Why are we not doing this?
Speaker 1:I just don't finn jones is good people, put him in, put him, give him a chance. I feel like it's gonna happen, I think they're gonna do. I and again, like there's such a layup to give him like, if they're gonna do it, just the one piece of advice go full, send like make him iron fist. Like don't do this, his powers don't work, he can't figure it out, the suit doesn't. No, no, no. Make him Iron Fist. Like pick up the Immortal Iron Fist, run and just do it. That's it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, fun stuff Bring back, yeah Do all of those things.
Speaker 1:Yes, thank you, panel, for joining us. They're all here.
Speaker 2:Thank you guys. That's it. That's going to do it for us. Man, now I just I need that Cloak Dagger stuff. I need more Cloak Dagger stuff in my life. That show is good, man, that show is good. That show is really good, that little ABC family era of Marvel Ages of SHIELD.
Speaker 1:Cloak, dagger. Yeah, the late seasons of agents of shield, cloak and dagger runaways, like we were, like we said wait, wait a minute, that's a good. This is a lot of good stuff in there. Man, the runaways, that's a show right there. That's a show. We might have to talk about that one day. I would love to. That is a. That's a show, especially that first season.
Speaker 2:Pull it out, pull out of the vault, pull that show out of the vault and then review it. That'd be really cool, um, but that is going to do it for us this week. Um, you can follow us on Twitter at projects I don't have underscore pod. You can follow us on Facebook. You can follow us on Tik TOK at the project invent a podcast, and YouTube as well. You can follow us on Instagram. That's a project. I almost forgot his line. No, I didn.
Speaker 2:Next week, we are going to preview Captain America 4 Brave New World by talking about Sam Wilson his journey in the MCU, starting with Captain America the Winter Soldier, obviously, going through Age of Ultron, infinity War, endgame, civil War, culminating with the Falcon and the Winter Soldier and bleeding into Captain america, brave new world. Um, really, really cool character. That marvel kind of raised um through the mcu. Um, we were joking, uh, watching, kind of watching some fight scenes last week. We're just like and sam sam was doing this when he was just and he still is just a regular, regular guy, yeah there's no, he's not gonna take the serum in the movie anything like.
Speaker 1:He's just a guy. He's just a guy. At the end of the day, what they need really need to play up. It's what makes him be able to carry that shield, and it's why john walker couldn't carry the shield, it's why bucky can't, but it's why sam can't. He's just a good guy that wants to do the right thing. It is very simple why somebody needs the shield of Captain America and he's gonna fight air show Monday no, did we talk about that on here?
Speaker 1:yeah, we did. I don't know how you got on. I don't know how it was.
Speaker 2:Like the who you said you asked you who the craziest character was oh yeah he's back for the corpse of his frozen celestial child and then him and sam him, and then sam and red hulk team up to fight ayrsham. I can do cosmic stories too.
Speaker 1:All right, but your cosmic stories should be snl skits. You want me come and get me.
Speaker 2:Oh, shoot you, shoot. You're airing from the judge. That guy is huge.
Speaker 1:I just imagined the Willem Dafoe meme from Eternal Eternal. He's gay. He shows up on Earth and Sam's like oh shoot, he's here for me, isn't he? He's right behind me, isn't he? He's right behind everybody, sam. He's as big as five planets. He's behind everybody.
Speaker 2:How come not everyone on planet Earth saw that at the end of Returnals I?
Speaker 1:thought they did, did they? Or did he just show up in London? That's the funniest kid, and it's that Erisham just showed up in London.
Speaker 2:Because he was huge yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know. And the wind blew everybody back Like what the yeah they were like wait a minute back, like what the yeah, they were like wait a minute, wait, remember that thing in the Indian Ocean, that's gotta be his dad, right, he's gotta come. My son, my boy, no, they need to do a Finding Nemo son with Arishem and Tiamat. That movie would play Finding Tiamat, that's the movie that I want. And Arisham is marlin in this movie and somehow still voiced by what's his name somehow it all comes back to arisham it was arisham all along it's the same amount of syllables we gotta get out of here, man, we do gotta get.
Speaker 1:I was just singing on on here I gotta, we're gonna talk.
Speaker 2:Uh yeah, we're gonna talk about cast america next week. Um, yeah, until then, from me, from the careful man, um, from the um, there's a lot of ways I can go here, a lot of things I could do. Let me see. Let me see something. Nope, I have an idea in my head. I just gotta be really careful um no, rob.
Speaker 2:I have an idea in my head. I just gotta Be really careful. Um no, rob, no, not no. Rob Liefeld wrote X-Force. I was gonna give you the writer of the X-Force, but it's Rob Liefeld.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So you can't no, give me like Rick Remender If you were gonna do the writer of the X-, give me Rick Remender.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we'll do that.
Speaker 1:I think I can write. Alright. Why didn't you give me like Donny Cates? I was thinking about it. He's like the golden boy of Marvel.
Speaker 2:True Is that what you strive to be the golden boy of Marvel, even though you just cost them a true trillion dollars making a Thor one shot.
Speaker 1:But Christian Bale's back and he said yes, a Thor one shot. But Christian Bale's back and he said yes, and he's in full true gore getup.
Speaker 2:Court. 50 people watched your Disney Plus series, your Disney Plus one shot of Thor and it made negative two trillion dollars.
Speaker 1:Okay, Did you spend $850 million? I told you to use this for 12 movies. I didn't. I don't know what happened, kev, is that what you want me to million? I told you to use this for 12 movies. I didn't.
Speaker 2:I don't know what happened Kev.
Speaker 1:Is that what you want me to say? I don't know what happened. You ballooned the budget. Why are you ballooning the budget? You've never seen visual effects like this before.
Speaker 2:You've never seen a more overpaid cast for less screen time.
Speaker 1:Oh, let me take that back. You know who I'm getting to direct my X-Force movie Gareth Edwards.
Speaker 2:The GOAT. There you go. You just made all your money back because he's going to spend $13 making that X-Force movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's going to be like here's $300 million. He'll be like you know what. Give it to him for that X-Force, that Thor, one shot that he wants to make, Because he's a good fella, I'll take $13.
Speaker 2:Yeah, can I have $10,000?
Speaker 1:He's like Garrett. This is a one day of 10 seconds of shooting costs $10,000.
Speaker 2:And um, alright, that was fun, fun episode. Yeah, it was Um, we will see you next week for some Sam Wilson, sam Wilson talk. Sam Sam Wilson talk. Sam Wilson talk next week on the podcast.
Speaker 1:That's what we're going to call it. We're going to bring Anthony Mackie on.
Speaker 2:He's coming in. He's coming in. We had our last guests and now no speaking roles, though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we only have two microphones. Yeah, you guys will never know if they're actually here or not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're here, don't worry. All right, guys, we'll see you.
