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151 - Recapping Daredevil Born Again, The Last of Us, and Marvel's Fantastic Future
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On this week's episode, we talk the newest Fantastic Four trailer, Star Wars Celebration, and Ghost of Yotei. Our main course is a dissection of the first two episodes of The Last of Us Season 2, which begins with a devastating punch that proves HBO isn't afraid to embrace the game's most controversial moments. A character's shocking death in just the second episode sets a tone of unflinching commitment to the source material, while expanded sequences like the Jackson assault demonstrate how adaptation can enhance rather than merely translate. Isabella Merced's Dina emerges as an early standout, bringing depth to a character that needed more development from the games.
After that, we talk all things Daredevil Born Again. In a world where franchises constantly expand but rarely satisfy, Daredevil Born Again emerges as something truly special – a miracle of creative persistence that shouldn't work but somehow delivers an essential viewing experience for Marvel fans.
The journey through this first season reveals how Charlie Cox and Vincent D'Onofrio's magnetic performances anchor a show that survived a complete creative overhaul. What began as a clean break from the Netflix series transformed into something that honors its predecessor while blazing new territory. The season's structure – split between episodes 1, 8, 9 from one creative team and episodes 2-7 from another – creates a fascinating study in contrasting approaches that ultimately complement each other.
We explore the standout moments that defined this season, from Wilson Fisk's brutally violent evolution as Kingpin to Matt Murdock's moral struggles with vigilantism. The reintroduction of fan-favorite characters like Karen Page and The Punisher electrified the latter episodes, while newcomers like White Tiger brought fresh energy to the narrative. The duality between Fisk and Murdock as two men battling their darker natures provides the emotional core that elevates this series beyond typical superhero fare.
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0:00 Intro
01:48 New Fantastic Four Trailer
15:25 Thunderbolts Early Reviews
18:52 Ghost of Yotei Trailer
21:16 Star Wars Celebration News and Notes
34:45 The Last of Us Season 2 Episodes 1 & 2 Recaps *MASSIVE SPOILERS*
01:09:43 Daredevil Born Again: Season 1 Review and Recap
02:06:00 Forecasting Season 2 – DEFENDERS?
02:15:00 A Luke Cage Rant
02:21:29 Signing Off, Final Thoughts
Topic for Next Week: Thunderbolts* Review
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Speaker 2:Infinite Podcast. Go tell your friends. It's the Infinite Podcast. My God, it never ends. It's the Infinite Podcast with Rob and Kork the Cube. Hello everybody, and welcome to another episode of the Project Infinite Podcast, the podcast covering the infinite and ever-expanding multiverse of fandom, from movies, comics, tv shows, video games. We've got you covered. I'm Rob. I'm here, as always, with Court and Court. It's one of our most anticipated episodes of the year.
Speaker 1:It really is, or ever?
Speaker 2:probably yes, it is, Since we started this podcast. Yes, it is.
Speaker 1:Daredevil Born Again. Season 1 is in the books and we are going to talk about it. Yep, this podcast has been predicated on Andrew. Garfield Oppenheimer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oppenheimer Casting.
Speaker 1:Oppenheimer, casting and Daredevil. These have been the three pillars of this whole thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this was obviously one of the most anticipated projects that Marvel has ever done. Obviously came plagued with numerous writing and scripting and directing and everything issues and you know what? Like it's kind of a miracle that we ended up getting what we got with these nine episodes, so we'll definitely talk about that.
Speaker 1:Imagine if it was 18 episodes.
Speaker 2:We'll definitely talk about, like, all the backstory and stuff, and then we'll talk about season one in full, um, just kind of our thoughts on the performances, on the storylines, um all that stuff. And we're also going to talk about the last of us, the first two episodes, um, cause our last episode, we were previewing season two and some things we got right, some things we got really really wrong, um, already in these first two episodes. So I'm really excited to talk about that. But first we do have some news. First and foremost, we got another Fantastic Four trailer and it was, dare I say, fantastic. We got a much better kind of look at everybody, not only everybody, you get a much better look at the.
Speaker 1:This is what this movie is about. Trailer yeah, that's what main trailers should always do, without giving away too much. Yes, because I still am confusion, I still have some questions, I still have a lot of thoughts on this as well too. I mean just jumping out of the gate. I mean we can kind of go character by character. To start out, let's kind of go top down or's go, uh, bottom up instead. Uh, because I want to.
Speaker 1:I want to end with reed richards instead. So, uh, we could start with johnny. I mean, joseph quinn, I think he looks good. He looks like he's having a. I think he looks like he's having a ball, like this is probably like again. I was kicking through kirby and lee's early like the first fantastic four comics and I'm gonna save that when I talk about ped, Pascal's, Reed Richards and the stroke of genius that it actually was. It was like you kind of made the point like if he's available you get him type of situation. So I mean and I'm going to use that point looking at Johnny as well too, I think Johnny also has that. Johnny has that like early Fantastic Four feel to him, just a little aged up because obviously he's not a teenager, but he still has that same feel. So I'm really looking forward to kind of what they do with him.
Speaker 1:You're looking at Ben. That's the best casting out of the four of them in my opinion. Eben Masabakrak, that is Ben Grimm. That's actually Ben Grimm. It's insane. One thing that I love, it's just he kind of plays it like I love his actual Ben Grimm. It's insane, um, one thing that I love, it's just he kind of plays it like I love his actual Ben Grimm before the transformation. Like he's got that, like cocky edge to him. Like he's just like I'm the best looking pilot, like I'm yeah like and then like to get immediately humbled by that.
Speaker 1:But this version of Ben has like a. He has like a tenderness that the other versions of Ben haven't had, specifically like 2015s didn't even have like an inkling of it. Michael Chiklis gets there and I think he does a pretty solid job at that, if not a great job. But there's something about this Ben that just feels like, like you said, like the emotional core of this movie is probably going to flow through him and Sue, which brings me to Sue and Vanessa Kirby, which is my second favorite casting and one of my favorite castings in the entire MCU. I mean, she was one of the early, like back when they were doing fan castings, like a year ago, a year and a half ago whenever kind of we started talking and accepting who was going to play who, like Vanessa Kirby was always kind of around somebody that can play, that can play Sue Storm, and she's just absolutely phenomenal as it as well, too, she seems like the leader of this group. I like that. I actually appreciate that.
Speaker 1:Reed seems like the guy behind the screen kind of making sure everything's going according to plan, but she seems like the field leader of the Fantastic Four, the public face of the Fantastic Four. I think they alluded to the fact that she's kind of the leader of the Future Foundation. It's not Reed, it's her. So she's kind of the leader of the future foundation, it's not Reed, it's her. So she's kind of like the public facing one for them.
Speaker 1:And that seems what I'm actually, through this trailer, got most excited about it's Reed. I opened up those books, I was reading those early comics with Mr Fantastic, with the Fantastic Four, and just specifically Reed. And again I get it Like the beginning of the first trailer when he's like and again I get it like the beginning of the first trailer when he's like, you know, Sunday at seven never met, like and just to see him here, be like. You know, are you gonna save us? Like. I don't, I don't know, I don't know. Let me figure it out, let me do the science like. This feels like told you before we hopped on. It feels like an amalgamation of Kirby and Lee's Mr Fantastic, mixed with Wade and mixed with Hickman. It feels like an amalgamation of the three, specifically Hickman and Lee slash Kirby. That's what I'm really excited for.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think we got kind of a good feel for how all these characters are going to be portrayed throughout this trailer, which I think, to your point, every trailer needs. And just to kind of echo your points on a couple things, again I kind of echo your points on a couple things, like I, again I go, I kind of go back to this point on the joseph quinn casting, in that he's been good in everything that he's been in, um, so I don't know why this is. You know, it really felt like this trailer. When you finally got to hear him like speak and do a little acting, as opposed to the first trailer, people were like, oh, like joseph quinn, I'm like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Like of course he's going to be able to play this kind of roguish, kind of lighthearted Like this is, this is what he was doing in stranger things, Right, he kind of captivated literally everybody in season four of stranger things as as Eddie. Like he has that roguish kind of charm about him and I'm I'm curious and excited to see more of that.
Speaker 2:Right and then yeah, I mean the Ben Grimm stuff I think is going to be what a lot of people will remember from this movie, cause also what I like, what they're doing with Ben too, specifically. Um, cause we got a lot of like kind of like hero moments, quote unquote in this trailer where where you see how revered the Fantastic Four are and then when you look at it demographically through the lens of the film, the kids seem to love the thing, which I think is awesome. And I think historically, at least on film, the thing is always portrayed as a freak and kind of like an outcast. So it's kind of cool to see in this world where the Fantastic Four are these revered heroes. Like it feels like ben grim has the most support from, like the kids.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean like you see that the picture, the frame of the little girl with like the, the thing like action figure, right like the like. So I think that's really cool and I think they'll probably play that too. Like each fantastic four, like I don't know, don't know how much they're going to dive into the PR stuff, but like it feels like each member of the fantastic four is kind of going to have like a core demographic behind them. So like I think that's kind of cool. Um, and then I totally agree about the Vanessa Kirby Sue storm stuff. Like she comes across as, like you know, I kind of said it trailer.
Speaker 1:She's gonna be like if ben's the heart, like she's gonna be the soul of the scene, right, um, johnny's like the youthful exuberance, um, and I think he's probably you know what's funny and it comes out of, comes out of hickman's fantastic forerun. He's probably gonna have the most nobility out of all of them, even if he doesn't know it himself yet yeah and then obviously, reed is the brains, and I'm gonna say this it's for better and for worse, just like how marriage is for better and for worse.
Speaker 2:Reed is the brains of this. He talks about it in the trailer that he feels like he is responsible for whatever is about to happen. Whether that's true or not, we don't know, but he seems to think it is. Which brings us to. We see the Silver Surfer in this. We see Julia Garnerarner, silver surfer. I think it looks good. I don't I don't know where people are drawing this comparison that it somehow looks worse than the rise of the silver surfer version no, it, just it looks she looks like the silver surfer, yeah it's just, I don't, I don't know what you wanted.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you wanted like like I don't know what they wanted. It's the silver surfer, like it was always gonna look to look like this. It looks good. I like her eyes, specifically like the design of like not having everything be silver she has like it gives her a soul in her eyes when you do that as well too. I think Doug Jones, lawrence Fishburne silver surfer was kind of played as like the stoicism I think he captures, like I think the two of them captured together like this, like you, like this, like you know the stoic, like riding on the board and like looking at this planet that's about to be demolished. But I think hers is going to be a little bit more kind of what's the word I'm looking for? Like present in the situation, even if she turns on Galactus, which she probably will.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we get a classic Human Torch, Solar Surfer chase sequence that I'm very excited to see. I'm sure it's going to look outstanding. And then you know, we get, of course, the specter of Galactus. We don't really. We don't hear Ralph Ines and we don't see Galactus proper. We see his legs, we see him stomping about at the end of the trailer, but we don't actually see Galactus. We see a planet presumably being consumed and destroyed by Galactus.
Speaker 1:You think that was real?
Speaker 2:It could have been real, it could have been a dream, it could have been another planet, maybe the Silver Surfer telling her story of what Galactus' problem is.
Speaker 1:That looks like Earth. It does look like.
Speaker 2:Earth that does look like Earth. So I mean, yeah, there's a lot Again. I think this trailer was great. If this is the last trailer that we get, I think that would be fine. I think that would be perfect, because it didn't really show off anything. It made the revelation, of course, that Sue is pregnant, which I think one kind of gleamed based on looking a little closely at the first trailer. Yeah, let's dip into that.
Speaker 1:Sue's pregnancy, because obviously we're talking with an absolutely titanous character in Franklin Richards. That's going to be probably important for Secret Wars. Now I have two points. My point number one is that I think in this movie you do an older version of him that comes back from the future and you do the thing you can do, that you can do the to me, my galactus, and you can have them kind of be like because they think of each other as contemporaries, like to the, even to the point, even beyond that. We're like franklin kind of has galactus as like his, like his herald at that point, like that's how, that's what hickman does with him, like it doesn't matter about size, like Franklin is like what does Galactus tell him? Like you're me and you are good, like you're going to be the survivor of this universe, just like I was the survivor of my universe.
Speaker 1:When it's all said and done, like, obviously, my point for the for this one listen, you can do it. It's an alternate universe. Do you just get hahn to babysit franklin? Yeah, you could. I digress, that's a pipe dream. It can still happen. It's a pipe dream. But I do think that they're gonna get an older actor, probably a notable actor to play an older version of franklin, to come back because they do that and uh, it's early on I can't remember what issue it is, but it's early on where this guy is like walking throughout new york city and like wreaking havoc and then they find out that it's an older version of Franklin. That's in New York City. It's supposed to be like a good mother and son story, so I kind of hope they pull something like that off. But I think what do you think Galactus is after? I think he's after Franklin. I think he can feel Franklin's presence and he's probably like hey, bud, I need that kid. Yeah, I need that kid to remake my universe that got destroyed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean that could be. I mean, the only thing that throws me a little bit on that is the Silver Surfer's whole kind of speech there, which is like your world's been marked for death so it does feel like Galactus is just coming to annihilate the Earth.
Speaker 1:Or maybe that's before Galactus feels his presence. Maybe, maybe Galactus gets there and he's like there's something here that I can use. Like you know what? I need one or the other? I need him to remake my universe, because he's the only one that has the power to do that. You think what they're going to do in this universe. You know what I was thinking. They might make Franklin the first mutant of this universe. Like they're going to throw it out that reads like he has a mutation inside of him. He's the first one Yep.
Speaker 1:Listen play the theme.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I think there has to be some sort of dialogue with Galactus. I mean you don't cast Ralph Innocent unless you're going to speak.
Speaker 1:Oh, that was the point yeah.
Speaker 2:So I'm just really curious to see what that looks like, because we've never seen it on film before. Because obviously, historically you know, we've seen Galactus in Rise of the Silver Surfer and he was a big cloud monster that didn't speak and Doctor Doom was the real villain of that movie. Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing how they kind of humanize galactus in a way I think it's gonna be.
Speaker 1:They're gonna play on the like he's the last survivor of that universe that he came from and that he's gonna be like, well, my life kind of sucks. I've been walking around place to place and like he's gonna feel franklin's presence and he's gonna be like, oh shoot, like I finally have a chance to remake my universe. Like I think that's what he wants. He probably wants Frank. It's either give me Franklin or I'm destroying the earth. Those are your two options.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know what was really getting me about this trailer? It's that bit where the tone flips in the trailer. I thought that was really well done. But what really got to me was when you know the guy jumps out and asks he said you know, are we safe? It's not what Reed responds, it's Ben and Johnny standing there and they were kind of like they knew something that everybody else didn't know, which I think it's no, we don't have a plan. Like there's no plan, like I don't have anything to save you. And I think the better accentuation for it, for it too, is that they're the only heroes in this universe. That makes it infinitely better because there's no help. You can't call wakanda, you can't call tony stark, you can't call anybody else to kind of, you know help or collaborate. You know who you could call for help robert doomy jr.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would imagine doom is going to show up probably, probably at end, most likely, I would assume. I mean just overall, between this and everything that we're hearing right now about the Thunderbolts, I guess it is appropriate to say that we might be back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we might be back. I mean, do you have any other thoughts on the trailer?
Speaker 2:No, I mean, I think it's like I said. I think it just again. It doubles down on the feeling that this, as much as you want to say Thunderbolts, feels like a different thing. This really feels like a different thing, just from the tone to the style, right.
Speaker 1:I think, like in the confines of the MCU, fantastic Four feels the most different. I think filmmaking-wise Thunderbolts feels the most different. Fantastic Four feels the most different. I think filmmaking wise Thunderbolts feels the most different, which we can kind of bleed into Thunderbolts for a second, because they just did the. The premiere was yesterday and then they did the advanced screenings across the country. I think there was like 11 showings at IMAX theaters. I tried to get a. I tried it was gone in like 5 minutes. I tried I was ready to go and and it was sold out. Would not work. Overwhelmingly positive reviews for Thunderbolts right out of the gate. Yep, they are calling Florence Pugh's performance absolutely incredible, like one of the best out of the entire MCU. I've seen the word Oscar-worthy thrown around.
Speaker 1:Yes, a few times. I've heard Lewis Pullman's also incredible in this movie. Those are the two real standouts yep, I heard the team dynamic is just like one of the single bet. Like I've heard it was like what is it? The mixture of like the like, the team dynamic, love of the guardians of the galaxy mixed with the heart of wandavision?
Speaker 1:yeah um, so we've heard a lot of great things. Um, obviously, the careful on the internet that some spoilers are probably going to start flying out there because you know civilians have seen this movie, for lack of a better term. Um, so the the biggest thing is apparently the one of these post-credit scenes are like absolutely monumentous and like gears you right up for doomsday and secret wars is what people are saying. So I mean, it is the last movie before the movie that gets you ready for doomsday. So it's the last in universe, like in 616 universe before movie, before doomsday. So that makes sense. Um, I mean, I'm excited.
Speaker 1:I, I was I as soon as I saw that first trailer because, remember, they announced I forget if it was at Comic-Con or D23 last year or whenever it was that they announced it, or was it two years ago. They announced it and I was just like this can be something Fun. They're all super soldiers. I understand Thaddeus Ross isn't here for some odd reason, but who cares? We were like alright. And then the first trailer came out and they were like but who cares? We were like alright. And then the first trailer came out and they were like wait a second, wait a minute.
Speaker 2:Hold on, hold on, yeah, I mean. Yeah, these reviews are definitely getting me a little bit hyped, more hyped for this movie. I mean, I was already really anticipating it, but just hearing the performances across the board are great. Apparently, sebastian Stan is a scene stealer every time he shows up, which is really, really cool.
Speaker 1:I heard about this movie being very narrative-wise and thematic-wise. It's a really great play on mental health, which I think is poignant and important, which is going to be awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're going to reel this thing in and really make it these these kind of like in-depth, almost character studies of these of this group, which I think is a really neat way to go about it. Right, all these, most of these, all of these characters have have pretty interesting backstories within the confines of the MCU, um, so, yeah, I'm just really looking forward to it. And then, yeah, apparently best post-credits scene, which I would imagine is probably Doctor Doom in some capacity, or Doctor Doom arriving, or maybe he's coming out.
Speaker 1:If it's gonna be in this movie, maybe he's coming to get the Sentry. Maybe he's like yeah, I need that, I need that guy.
Speaker 2:I would imagine it would be Doom Central.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, or at least one of them is Doom Central.
Speaker 2:So I mean, yeah, I'm really looking forward to both these movies. And then we got a kind of we got a fun little trailer for Ghost of Yotei that came out today.
Speaker 1:Ghost of Tsushima, one of my favorite games of all time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's coming out October 2nd of this year, which is great.
Speaker 1:My birthday present.
Speaker 2:A little under five months from now, which is cool, and it looks sensational. We gleamed a little bit of story from this trailer. Essentially, your protagonist, atsu, is going to be. It's a classic, looks like it's going to be a classic revenge story. She's the last of her family or clan and she's hunting down these six. You know people six figureheads.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she was like a clan and each of each one of them. Everybody's got a gimmick these days.
Speaker 2:Everyone's gonna yeah which is cool because, like ghost of tsushima, never really had that in terms of proper boss battles Everyone had a gimmick. You get that when you learn the techniques.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Those were kind of these hyper-stylized battles.
Speaker 1:Ghost of Tsushima has intermittent boss battles. Your big boss battles in that game are when you fight the Khan for the first time boss battles like your big boss battles in that game are when you fight the con for the first time, when you fight um. One of my favorite characters actually in ghost of tsushima is ryuzo um. When you fight him, that's a really good one um but the. And then obviously you fight your uncle um. But the other boss battles are kind of like intermittent. They're kind of like to be cool. Like they're cool boss battles, yeah, like of you, like evolving throughout the game, but like this one feels like you're gonna have six definitive boss battles that you're gonna yeah, the evil exes.
Speaker 1:You got to defeat my six evil exes um yeah, and you just kind of got to look.
Speaker 2:Obviously, look how gorgeous the game is. Um, I mean, ghost of tsushima is already kind of pushing the boundaries of what the ps4 was capable of at the time. Um, so this will probably do similar things for the ps5. Um, the gameplay we got a little bit. Look at the gameplay a little bit of the traversal um, looks like you're gonna have a lot more weapon variety. Yep, um, and this one compared to the other one, um, so you got a mace, a mace, there's a naginata, there's the, obviously the dual-wielding katanas. I know from the first trailer there's a rifle that you're going to get at some point. So, yeah, because this takes place 300-some-odd years after Ghost of Tsushima, so you know 1600, so you're talking gunpowder, you're talking, you know. So that could be really cool. And obviously, again, the environment just looks stunning.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, it's just an upgrade from, and that's what sequels should be. They should be upgrades from where they came from. I should never look at it like a past game and be like this is why is this technically better than the next game? No, like for video games, that's 100 okay, and I'm really excited about that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I'm really really looking forward to this in just five short months. Star Wars, so Star Wars Celebration went down and they probably like three big things. You know four big things. Maybe that came out of this. The first we got a look at the Mandalorian and Grogu, which I still can't believe. This movie is happening.
Speaker 1:I know, I know, I was just thinking about it. I said why didn't they just do a season four?
Speaker 2:Pedro Pascal was there, Sigourney Weaver was there. We got a still photo, basically of Pedro in the Mandalorian armor.
Speaker 1:He's got white hair now.
Speaker 2:Presumably. It's probably like only day filming where he's actually there.
Speaker 1:He's a busy guy.
Speaker 2:He's a very busy man. Did we get a release date for that or no?
Speaker 1:I think we did, I think we actually did.
Speaker 2:Let me see, let me look it up.
Speaker 1:We actually I can tell you right now when the release date was, because that should be on May 22nd 2026. Okay, so about a year a little over a year away from that.
Speaker 2:We got a look at Jeremy Allen White's Rod of the Hut thoughts can't wait for him to have a biblical.
Speaker 1:What was the description that you said? Excuse me, he's like a bodybuilder.
Speaker 2:MMA fighter type character, but he's a hut, yeah alright, I don't know what this movie is going to be me neither Mayfighter type character yeah. Jabba the, but he's a Hutt. Yeah, alright, alright.
Speaker 1:I don't know what this movie's gonna be Me neither, but that terrifies me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a little scary, Especially with how the Mandalorian Season 3 was very inconsistent, I guess would be the best way to say it. But I digress. Ahsoka Season 2 was kind of revealed and talked about. It's going to be eight episodes Eight episodes, though Mm-hmm. Dave Filoni has written every single one of them, and Hayden Christensen will be returning as Anakin Skywalker. So I would imagine more Filoni throwing in Clone Wars stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100%. It's probably either for flashback purposes or it's for the Shadow Realm purposes, or a combination of both. For some odd reason, I'm way more excited to see Ezra than anybody else. I, truthfully, am like Ahsoka's show cool. I need more Ezra, because the actor that they got to play Ezra did a phenomenal job. I need more of him are we still getting this team up movie to end-up movie, to end this Avengers movie, to end everything for Star Wars? I think so.
Speaker 2:What were the? Shows it was going to convulge with, I think it was going to be Ahsoka the Mandalorian, and I forget what the other one was.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I'm all foggy on my Star Wars stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, that's what I thought this Mandalorian film was going to be, but they've retrofitted it into something completely different. So I don't know. But always happy to see Hayden Christensen back in the Star Wars fold. I just love the career arc Not the career arc, but the Star Wars arc for him, where now he's like the ambassador of star wars now somehow, um, he even said that he would be open to returning to doing like a vader thing. Like he said, he feels there's a lot of we said that years ago.
Speaker 1:Just do the vader. Um, take on what's his name. Uh, I know john cassidy was drawing and I forget. Oh, jason aaron, jason aaron did that Vader comic. Just do that. Just do it, bring back.
Speaker 2:Natalie Portman and do it. Yeah, he said he'd be open for that. I think that would be great. And then I guess the big Hold on. We got a Maul series was announced, a Maul animated series called Maul Shadowlord. That will take place between the Clone Saga and the original trilogy and Maul will have an apprentice, like a red Twi'lek apprentice, sam Witwer is going to return as the voice of Maul which is great, and I think he's involved in this in a creative capacity as well, which is awesome.
Speaker 1:I think he understands that character better than absolutely anybody on the face of the earth. Yeah, sam Witwer understands Star Wars better than most people on the face Him earth. Yeah, same way we're understand star wars better than most people on the face him. And freddie prince jr understand star wars to an insane capacity yeah.
Speaker 2:So I mean I think that's cool. Maul has kind of um I guess my best way to explain maul he's kind of. He's kind of like the boba fett of the original star wars trilogy where, like cool, look, cool character just never really got off the ground story-wise, but Clone Wars and Rebels does a lot of compelling stuff with him. So I'm looking forward to seeing Sam Webber return as Maul. Maul's always going to be one of those characters that people are going to be excited to see, just because of his look, his backstory, all that stuff. I thought they were going to do a live-action show of this. That would have been also great. And then the big news is the Ryan Gosling Sean Levy project has been revealed, entitled Star Wars Starfighter. That will take place between the end of the original trilogy and the sequel trilogy.
Speaker 1:No, no, or it's after. Yeah, it's after no it's after even the the sequel trilogy. Yeah, it's after the sequel trilogy this is the new direction for Star Wars. He's Han Solo. Let's not beat around the bush.
Speaker 2:I mean the title Starfighter just gives. It's going to be Star Wars version of Top Gun, essentially.
Speaker 1:I think they're trying to get some sort of Jedi to pair with him. To my point, we're bringing Simu Liu to be said Jedi, to be in this movie with him, like you do, like a Because obviously Sean Levy's a funny guy, like his movies, however much heart they'll have in him, he's got a comedy base to him, which is fine, that's fine. And Ryan Gosling Like if you can capture a little bit of what you did in the Fall Guy with Ryan Gosling, sort of like that tone. I'm going to bring up a point about Andor movie. But that movie is going to be the true test of can Star Wars survive outside of the Skywalkers?
Speaker 1:yeah, that's a great point, and I mean they got the right actor to test that and I texted you because I was kind of live reacting when everything was going down and I said Ryan Gosling, adding himself into the star wars universe, is gonna be like a. It's gonna inform a lot of what a lot of actors are gonna do in a franchise perspective. Because if you play somebody in the mcu or for for dc, you're kind of tethered to people's expectations of what you need to be to be that character and then you get into the situations where like well, you don't look one for one beat like that character, so you're wrong and like you're gonna kind of get that. What this has the unique potential to do is like for other actors, like these big a-list actors, to come in and be like I can have my own personal brand fit that character, like anthony mackie's, like movie star, point.
Speaker 1:Like ryan gosling is a movie star and to which the point he is the movie star of a Star Wars movie. He's not an actor going into the Star Wars universe, he's the movie star that's carrying that movie. And I think that's the most important sell that they had. The crowd erupted when he walked out. There's a reason for that Ryan Gosling we talked about the New Guard movie stars. He's one of them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's kind of funny talking about him in that respect because he's been around for decades at this point. As an actor, it does really feel like he's coming into his own as he's setting his true prime.
Speaker 1:Which is scary.
Speaker 2:He's been great for so long and now it feels like he's hitting his movie star niche and he's testing that metal by doing a fandom thing like a franchise, which I think is cool. I honestly thought the first thing that he would probably do is probably a Marvel thing is what I thought.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think they were trying to figure out where to fit him in. I think he will eventually get there.
Speaker 2:He's going to do a Marvel or DC, something He'll get himself.
Speaker 1:I think he will Benedict Cumberbatch as Doctor Strange and have him be Johnny Blaze, whatever post-Secret Wars things happen, or I was just trying to think of anybody he can play on the DC side. Not the question, he's not going to be the, they're not going to wipe his face. Objectively, he would be the best Booster Gold you can ever think of. Yeah, Him and Glenn Powell would be perfect for Booster Gold. Unfortunately, Tom Cruise got to Ben Glenn Powell, so Glenn Powell's never going to do a superhero thing. Like he will never, ever do that.
Speaker 1:But then, kind of to my point, like he might look at, like that's what I'm saying like somebody might look at Star Wars like one of these A-list actors and be like I can still be me in the confines of this universe. So Star Wars is so incredibly technically sound, like it's probably the most technically sound franchise there is in terms of like you're not getting bad CGI, you're not getting. Like the sets are all practical, like most of the sets are practical. Like you can put a great filmmaker into Star Wars and Tony Gilroy is doing that right now as we speak. How incredible andor is. And like the best part about star wars is you can flip tone throughout where you go yeah but themes don't change like the themes should still be round about the same, but tones will.
Speaker 1:Tones will kind of shift as you go. So I'm really excited um any other actor that you want to see kind of get added into this movie, because I think people are saying that actors are turning down this movie, which is curious yeah, I mean, I think that's just a testament to like how star wars is viewed nowadays.
Speaker 1:You know what I'll say to that. I feel like actors turn down a lot more things than we think. We just got that list and we started freaking out like I don't think it's as big of a deal as people are making it out to be.
Speaker 2:That's true, but I also think a lot of it too has to do with how specifically the actors in the sequel trilogy were treated by the fans at large. I mean, john Boyle just came out recently and blasted Star Wars again which I can't blame him for. No, no.
Speaker 1:He said it. He said what he said, like he was promised the Jedi glory that he should have had. And no, he doesn't need to be Mace Windu as long because there are only two black characters in Star Wars. That's not how that works. He just should be who he is. To fumble John Boyega, who one of the points that I love to make is you literally see him get better as an actor up until the point where he gets to like that award-winning actor territory by the time. Not for that performance in the movie, but like him as an actor evolves like you. You wasted that. You wasted Daisy Ridley, who you got and such an incredible character and such an incredible person to kind of add into that Star Wars universe. You wasted Oscar Isaac is one of the biggest wastes you could have had. Marvel careful, don't do it again to him there too. Don't do it to him. The MCU what did Oscar Isaac ever do to anyone?
Speaker 2:Is it because he's making this Jesus movie. Honestly, you know what I'm thinking too, what I was just thinking of, or I mean, I don't know the logistics of it, like time-wise, but like you were talking about, like pairing a Jedi up with Ryan Gosling in the Starfighter movie, why not just Cal Kestis?
Speaker 1:I think it'd be too like you couldn't, logistics-wise it'd be tough. It would be the coolest thing because Cameron Mon Monaghan, the two of them together, I think would be absolutely perfect, and I just I just want to bring the point that I think Cameron Monaghan should be the absolute a-list of a-list actors, like I love him so much. Um, I think he would be phenomenal there too. I'm trying to think of anybody else that would just be like you, like a perfect Star Wars-esque kind of person as a Jedi to get in there Like other actors that are a little bit younger. That would just be the perfect sort of Jedi. Sebastian.
Speaker 2:Stan no.
Speaker 1:I know it's a different hair color and everything. You know who Sebastian Stan would be perfect, as just at the whole landscape it's another Star Wars game character. He would be the absolute perfect. Terran Malicos from Fallen Order.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, oh yeah, wyatt Russell, I'm just thinking about Thunderbolts, for some reason.
Speaker 1:Florence Pugh would probably be a really great snippy Jedi. That's just over the whole order. Yeah, she's like I'll make my own order. I don't got to do your order. Do whatever I want. I'm telling you, man, simu Liu as a Jedi would be just perfect. We're a very pro Simu.
Speaker 2:Liu podcast yes, we are.
Speaker 1:Yes, we are. Even the whole internet was going to bat for Simu Liu when he got his chair for the Doomsday announcement. People were like about time it my goat's back, yeah, Dog you ever watch Shang-Chi yeah.
Speaker 2:It's good that movie slaps it. Does you know what else slaps the Last of Us? Why?
Speaker 1:Why, why?
Speaker 2:Why? Why? Episodes one and two Spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers Spoilers ahead.
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Speaker 2:Time code. It Run. Hide Spoilers, spoilers, ahoy.
Speaker 1:Spoilers times a billion, oh God.
Speaker 2:So episode one We'll talk about that first Directed by Craig Mazin, a nice stage setting episode, I think. Good episode one, good place to put a lot of stuff Did what I thought they were going to do with Abby and they just threw it out there. They threw out her motivations right away. The first shot of the entire season is the aftermath of the Salt Lake Hospital massacre, with Abby and company burying their dead, abby burying her father and vowingowing vengeance on Joel, no matter how long it may take. And boy oh boy, if Caitlyn Dever isn't Great.
Speaker 1:She sounds exactly like Laura Bailey. It is absurd, it's insane.
Speaker 2:You buy every bit of her Sadness.
Speaker 1:There's a rage she has. There's like this internal rage, and it flares from time to time and caitlin devers does it's. It's she, that's. I want to say something I'm not ready to. I need to see more, but I want to say something.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to say it yet um, so we get that right away, we get, and then we just get kind of jackson every day.
Speaker 1:Yes, I love it, Love it.
Speaker 2:It was great. And then you know we're introduced this first episode, introduced us to all of our new characters and reintroduced to us all the old characters, five years after the end of season one, which all of these characters look vastly different from where we left them, which is obviously what you would hope for in a time jump. So I guess we can talk about the new characters quick. I think Isabella Marcet is instantly going to be the kind of darling sweetheart you know fan favorite of the entire show.
Speaker 2:I think I don't know if I'm breaking any news, but I think we're on that track she not just embodies the character of Dina perfectly, she's kind of making it her own. It brings up a lot of things about Dina in the game, particularly that I wasn't crazy about, where she kind of for a lot of the game maybe more than half lacked a lot of personal motivation. She was just kind of there as like abby's or excuse me, she's there it's like ellie's support system, whereas this she seems to have a. She seems to have a lot more tether to the other characters and it's joel specifically and that was.
Speaker 1:You gotta think that mazen probably went through the second game again and he was trying to fit because he's so big on character, like that's his biggest thing, so he probably went through and was just like, just like you just said, dina probably needed a little bit more heavy lifting outside of a, you know, kind of like a catalyst for Ellie. The entire game is kind of how she plays, even however great the actress that played her in the game was, but there's this like ruggedness that Isabella Marced brings to her. There's like this kind of like it's so she's like fun, she's like a fun character to kind of follow. She's fun. She's like very earnest. She interacts with everybody Incredibly. You don't that's tough to get from a side character where they bounce off every single character well. But she bounces off every single character well, she interacts with.
Speaker 2:I loved the little interaction she had with Joel in episode one, where he's just kind of fixing along and she's like, hey, man, this freaking thing is broken. Tell us how to fix it. And then she bounces from A to B. She's like fix this thing, but also, what's the deal with you and Ellie? What's going on?
Speaker 2:You're not going to therapy, are you? She's like this firecracker that doesn't exist in the Last of Us universe. There really isn't a character like her In the way that she's presented in the show. That type of character isn't supposed to exist in this world. Her and younger ellie are similar, but dina's much more fun. Ellie's like ellie's like very rage driven like she's sarcastic, but she's also very rage driven, whereas dina's like everything is great yeah, like I'm gonna live my life, like I'm.
Speaker 1:I'm the young 20 something you know person that gets to live their life. She's like a little post-apocalyptic hippie.
Speaker 2:So I think she's destined, Isabella Marcetta's destined to be the darling of this second season.
Speaker 1:She might mess around and do that in the DCU herself too.
Speaker 2:Jesse, we got a little bit of a look at young Nancy.
Speaker 1:He's doing great. He's doing great.
Speaker 2:Very grounded, Very like. This is the way it. It is and the way you have to do things.
Speaker 1:This is the way it is don't ruffle any feathers like this is what we need. Very like, he's on the straight and narrow. He's fast too. That's what I really like. His responses are fast, like he. He adapts very well to whatever situation's going on, which I really appreciate yep um and then like other new characters, so like seth the homophobe seth, seth the homophobe.
Speaker 2:Oh man just plays a great homophobe I don't know what worse seth. I don't know how to tell you you suck seth. He's great at getting shoved on the floor. Yeah, um, abby's crew, we don't. We get a little bit. Owen's 6'5". It's distracting almost how much bigger he is than the rest of them.
Speaker 1:If they want to restart the NBA in the post-apocalyptic world, you start with Owen. He is a Paul Bunyan-esque looking man. Abraham Lincoln got nothing on you, man Spencer Lord.
Speaker 2:I was unfamiliar with your game.
Speaker 1:How tall is spencer?
Speaker 2:lord, I was like wait a minute, why is? Why is owen so big?
Speaker 1:the first thing that happened was spencer lord height when I typed it in. How tall is spencer? This is five, eight. No, no, no earthly shot he's, he's. He's six, seven.
Speaker 2:He's towering over everyone. We get a little bit of Owen like between the two episodes, where he kind of feels like the Abby is like the, she's like the, the emotion of the group, and Owen is like kind of like the-headed, like here's how we actually should do things.
Speaker 1:I'm going to take that even further. If Abby's the emotional express, I think she's the emotional express of what happened in the moment and Owen's the emotional express of how they feel. Right there, they're like we're over this, except for Danny Ramirez's. What's his name? Manny Manny Except for Manny Manny's the only one that's like I want him dead. Why do you want him dead, danny? I don't know. They're like Manny. Weren't you fighting with the doctor a few weeks ago before he died? Maybe I was. Maybe I like killing people, manny.
Speaker 2:Manny Manny, if doctor a few weeks ago before he died, maybe I was, maybe I like killing people, manny, manny, manny, if anything he wants in this life, it's it's smoke. Yeah, um, yeah again. This is why, like I said, like last week we were kind of previewing this I just want to see more of this crew and more of like, because you get a little bit of kind of like mel and nora, like you kind of get that Mel, especially like um. You already start to see her reticence to Abby's whole deal. Right, and Abby, I mean an episode two, like in the cabin, like Abby even says, like like Mel tries to pop up. I mean Abby's like shut the fuck up, no, and I'm like Whoa, yeah, they're beefing, yeah, so that was cool.
Speaker 2:And then the other new character I really wanted to highlight was the therapist character, gale. I really liked her little thing there that she had with Joel. What happened? Yeah, we get a massive reveal in that Joel kills Eugene. We don't know why, we don't know how we can intimate why. It's assumed, probably, that Eugene got bit and Joel had to put him down.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's that simple?
Speaker 2:I don't think it's that simple either, because one of her lines is I understand why you did it, but it's the way you did it that I can't forgive. What does that mean? So we'll find that out. That'll be a flashback of some sort. I would imagine Also a detraction from the game as well. Eugene, notoriously in the game, died of natural causes, so to put his death on Joel is another interesting kind of plot piece. And then, I mean episode one really culminates. You have a cool little the supermarket raid. Somehow the supermarket raid from Last of Us, part 2 returned, we get a nice little one-on-one. They seem to have tweaked the stalker mythos a little bit in the sense that it appears that the stalker is being portrayed as a kind of level beyond even a clicker, in the sense that it's smarter.
Speaker 1:It can think for itself. Yeah, we can go into the evolution thing that they talked about, because kind of how I guess it's working is that the infected themselves. And it's a great kind of contemporary, because the humans are evolving. They're evolving, just their way of life is evolving. They adapted. The infected are evolving Like they're evolving, like you know, just their way of life is evolving Like they adapted. The infected are also adapting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which is a great kind of separation point from the game.
Speaker 1:Exactly. It takes the video game. I have to kill the things to get to the next level, away from it, which you need to do from a game to a show, and what it does is it tells you immediately like no, this is a universe, this is a place, this is a living place and thing. And then things change and science changes and evolution changes. Things are happening. One of those things are that the infected are getting smarter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that is the insertion point of what we know as the stalkers from the Last of Us, part II and the Last of Us original recipe. The Last of Us had the stalkers as well, right? So the stalkers are kind of presented as this kind of evolution of the infected. Where they're smarter, they think they can hide. The one that Ellie fights in the supermarket puts itself in like a cupboard and then comes at her. Ellie gets bit, you think, like no harm, no foul. But it ends up being no harm to Ellie. Big foul for Jackson because she cuts the spores out of her stomach and flushes them down the drain in a very innocuous sequence and then that bleeds into a monster sequence in episode two, Um. And then the big hook of episode one is obviously the dance hall sequence, um. That the last of us part two doesn't show until later on, um. But we get it here where Dina and Ellie have a moment, seth the homophobe, um ramps up he rocks up and he's like hey, don't be kissing girls in my church thing.
Speaker 2:Town hall place.
Speaker 1:Well, it's an all it's like. It's like your local firehouse in your own community. Everybody's got a firehouse in your own community. Everybody's got a firehouse in their community that does everything. You want a birthday party.
Speaker 2:Have it at the firehouse. You want a council meeting? Have it at the firehouse. No girls kissing girls in my firehouse. And then Joel shoves that man to the floor and then Ellie gets really, really upset at Joel. And then we don't know why. We just know that Joel and Ellie are kind of a little distant. They're not like hating each other, but they're distant. That's what Joel's trying to figure out, which brings me back to the therapist character of Gale, where she's like Stop lying to me, joel. Look, I'm going to be honest with you. I hate you because you killed my husband. Now it's your turn. Be honest, like what happened with you and Ellie. And he can't to this day. To this day, five years, he can't be honest with himself Because she asked did?
Speaker 1:you hurt her. That Dina scene as well, where he goes. He was kind of talking to himself a little bit and he's saying I can't make out why she was Dude. You're lying to yourself. You bent that whole story to make it and that's the lesson in perspective. He bent that story to make him the hero. Yeah, I'm sorry folks, I hate to break this breaking news to you. Joel Miller is not a hero. Yeah, you know what Joel Miller is. He's a human being.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and Gale asks him like, did you hurt her? And he goes no, no, no, I didn't. And then he gets up because he's gonna leave, because he can't be honest, and he says I saved her, I saved her. And then he walks out and you're like is that what happened, is that what you did? Um, that's basically how episode one ends. It ends with abby and company hovering above jackson and then it ends and then episode two, man, episode 2 they did, they did it, they did the thing, did not think they were going to do it?
Speaker 1:no, I did not.
Speaker 2:If you go, back to our preview episode last week.
Speaker 1:We were wrong you know what variable we didn't equate for what if they just followed the game? What?
Speaker 2:if they just followed the game? What if they just did that with some slight alterations? But yeah, man. Episode 2 culminates in the death of Joel Miller At the hands of Abby. Plays out exactly like the game. Abby goes out on a little expedition by herself Because she's fed up with them just hanging around like they see jackson, and rightfully so.
Speaker 1:They're like holy shit they were like we didn't really kind of recognize it at night, but like you know now that it's like they have pat, like this is like a fortified city with weapons and a population and yeah, we're not getting in there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and even if we did, there's a 40 million people there. Yeah, we don't. We only know this guy's name and a brief description and Abby goes like what are the odds that we're ever going to run into?
Speaker 1:him. What did K2I say? It's high, it's very high.
Speaker 2:And then I love that bit where Abby's like Alright, fuck you guys, I'm going out on a snow mission. And then, because Owen's like everyone, relax, I got a plan. I got a plan, john, you always got a plan Dutch.
Speaker 1:Do you have plans? I have concepts of a plan.
Speaker 2:So she leaves and they're like do you really have a freaking plan? He's like I got a plan.
Speaker 1:Go home. We're going home. We're going home. We're done, it's over.
Speaker 2:We've been tracking this guy down for five years and, sure, maybe we're here now finally, but we can't. We got no shot. No shot that this is going to go well. Returning character that we didn't talk about was Tommy Gabriel Luna. He's the mayor.
Speaker 1:He's still incredible. He's great.
Speaker 2:He's great. He gets a lot to do in episode two, directed by Mark Milod. For good reason, because big battle, big fight. Sequence Dude.
Speaker 1:Now this is something I did get right. I said whenever we get to the assault on Jackson that it's going to be monumental TV. And boy was it monumental. Like I think my expectations were lower than what I. Whatever we got Cause, oh boy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so the whole I mean the symbolism behind the snow storm is brilliant, obviously, but so the whole episode is built around the snow storm that's incoming Ellie and Jesse. They they ripped the dialogue one for one from the game where Jesse comes to get Ellie and they go on patrol. Blizzard, big Blizzard.
Speaker 1:The biggest Blizzard.
Speaker 2:The biggest Blizzard you've ever seen is coming. Tommy's like hey, pull everyone back to Jackson. Big Blizzard, big snowstorm, but unfortunately he can't get in touch with any of the main characters, Oddly, they were planning before.
Speaker 1:They did a drill right before.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, because they were spooked by Ellie's stalker story when they were like.
Speaker 2:Ellie was like there's smart infected out there and they're like, oh, smart infected, no bueno, but yeah, so Ellie and Jesse go out. So this is where we play a little musical chairs between the game and the show, where things play a little bit differently in terms of who's where. So obviously the jackson assault is not in the game at all, so tommy stays there, ding, ding. I got that one right, remember when I said that what if tommy wasn't in the cabin with joel and you were like nope, keep it one to one.
Speaker 1:And lo and behold, dina was with joel, and it helps both their characters in this situation.
Speaker 2:I agree 100%.
Speaker 1:It's not that Tommy needed the help, dina needed the help, the character help. But it's now this little bit of a different thing because kind of what I to your point, like you made, I said what it does is Tommy also has a child, like he has a wife and child and like, but that's gonna be this moral battle.
Speaker 2:He's like I still wasn't there to protect my brother yeah, like I protected the town but I lost my brother in the process and I could have saved him so he thinks, um, and then for dina, conversely, like again, like dina was kind of like degree of separation from ellie, right, um, when that whole thing happened, where ellie's like I'm going back, I'm killing this bitch, and dina's like I'm with you to the end of the line, pal, whereas now Dina was there. You know what I mean. Dina's the one with all the information, where she, you know, she knows who Abby is, she knows where they're from, right, so I think that gives Dina's character a little bit more agency, which I think she needs from the game. So I'm really looking forward to that. So I guess we'll just talk about the assault on Jackson, first Brought about by two things One, ellie cutting the cordyceps out of her and depositing it down the drain and it grew inside the roots in one of the pipes in Jackson. And then, secondly, we find out the infected have been kind of hibernating.
Speaker 2:They've been using the dead infected as insulation To just kind of hide and these dead infected are awoken by Abby. Accidentally she's going. I don't know where she's going. I don't know if she's just like suicide, missioning it to.
Speaker 1:Jackson, she's Joel and Dina but she doesn't know it's Joel and Dina well, I thought she was just trying to get a better look at the town. Oh, wasn't she trying to capture two of them and make them tell them where Joel was?
Speaker 2:Yeah, she sees the two on horseback and she's going down there. She falls and she awakes just heaps of infected you want to talk about a horde.
Speaker 1:You thought the horde from season one was something this horde would eat. That horde, yeah, this horde. This horde is the old horde is tackled.
Speaker 2:This horde is humongous.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Somehow each horde is also only led by one boater.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, they're like the captains.
Speaker 2:So this horde awakens. It comes after Abby. It's horrifying Dog Dog.
Speaker 1:When she's running, dog, dog when she's running. What is that, nah, man, what is that?
Speaker 2:She's running, she gets tackled to the floor. The fence is closing in on her. One infected gets through, tackles her to the ground. Just when you think it's curtains for Abby bang. Big gunshot. She grabs hands and flexes her biceps. Big gunshot, she grabs. She grabs grasp hands. Grab my hand, grab my hand. She grabs hands and flexes her biceps with none other than Joel Miller. No, um, she gets inside with Dina and Dina's like Joel, we gotta go.
Speaker 1:And Abby said huh, joel, you say um this guy's name couldn't be Joel Miller, it wouldn't. He's not handsome, no, he is handsome. She looked right at him and was like he is handsome, it's got to be him, that must be him.
Speaker 2:It must be him, it's the most handsome man I've ever seen.
Speaker 1:No, I'm Joel Mitchell. That's the hottest guy I've ever seen In this apocalypse.
Speaker 2:Apocalypse, who Apocalypse? So Joel and Dina are fleeing with Abby. They see Jackson, so that means segue into the Jackson battle. The infected are here. Knock, knock, the infected are here, we're coming in. My man with the binocs is just like oh Bro, he's trying to be cinematic Dude.
Speaker 1:Ring the bell. He was like raising the binoculars they're infected.
Speaker 2:Go ring the bell. He gets the binoculars, puts the binoculars down, gets out a telescope. Looks out the telescope like he's a pirate.
Speaker 1:His eyes go through it like a cartoon Auga.
Speaker 2:Ding ding, the bell's ringing and Tommy's like Men. Men of the North, men of the North. The day may come when the courage of men fails.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to lie. I don't even know if Aragorn himself could have stopped this. This is a. This horn is something.
Speaker 2:When all bonds are in fellowship. But it is not this day. It is not this day Tommy gives his best speech. He doesn't give a speech, he just says Jackson, oh, jackson, oh, and. And then it's on.
Speaker 1:Tommy did give a good CEO. I'm not going to lie, something's popping off. I would follow Tommy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, me too. Jackson defenses rage up. Women and children in the basement, everyone else to the roofs, the roofs. We're pushing barrels. It's very Helms Deep. Lord of the Rings, two Towers.
Speaker 1:It's awesome, it's super sick. Oh my's awesome, it's super sick. Oh my god, it's super sick. The barrels get more barrels in jackson y'all. We need more barrels. The budget?
Speaker 2:the budget, the budget brother, budget flex. Yep, episode two, budget flex. Um man, it's, it's really good. It's really good, it's really scary. It is scary. You don't know what's going to happen. People are running, flamethrowers are flamethrowing.
Speaker 1:Yep, they have all the weapons from the game.
Speaker 2:And then the infected are like. Is that a weakness? I see in that wall. No, Hold on.
Speaker 1:Where's our bloater? Bring him in, bringing the bloater, bringing Bob.
Speaker 2:Bringing Bloater. Bringing Bob. Bringing Bob the Bloater. It's my time to play coach.
Speaker 1:Break down that wall, bob. Mr Gorbachev, tear down that wall. What are you like doing, bob?
Speaker 2:Smashing stuff.
Speaker 1:Smashing stuff.
Speaker 2:And he smashes stuff. Yeah, he did. Bloater smashes through the wall. Infecteds start pouring into Jackson and you're like, uh-oh, tommy's got that dog in him. Yeah, he does the guys at. Jackson, don't have that dog in them.
Speaker 1:No, they kind of suck. I'm not going to lie.
Speaker 2:The dogs. However, yo the dogs most definitely had.
Speaker 1:No, the dogs had Tommy in them. Dogs are an issue.
Speaker 2:It's again a horrid scene unfolding, it's just.
Speaker 1:I hate you, craig Mazin. I hate you so much because you already knew, you know what you're doing, you jerk, because you gave us this last glimpse of what the potential of humanity could be and then you just told us it's never going to last, which I guess to Joel's point I don't think it was Joel's point in what he was, you know, directly trying to do, but indirectly, the whole idea of you know him saving Ellie like was it ever going to work? Like was having like a sustained humanity that can live and breathe and do what they? Was that ever going to really be a reality in like the far future?
Speaker 2:Yeah well, and then it dovetails nicely Like it feels like the Jesse-Ellie stuff is a little innocuous compared to everything else. But they have that kind of conversation about Eugene where Ellie's like Eugene was a firefly and Jesse's like yeah, but like quit, because he's tired of killing people. And then it's intimated that he got bit and Jesse was like man, if only there was a cure for being infected.
Speaker 1:and now he's like yeah, yeah, if only that would have rocked yeah shame about it dude, this horde is terrifying.
Speaker 2:It's so crazy. But between that we are interspersed, with Joel and Dina getting back to First. They want to go back to Jackson. They see Jackson aflame. Joel's like we gotta go back and Dina's like it is negative 400 degrees.
Speaker 1:We will die. We are not gonna make it back. Why did they go out in the first place? Because they were on patrol. But why did they go out in the first place? They don't have a snowstorm. We can take one day off.
Speaker 2:And Abby's like I got a cabin up on that yonder mountain, me and my crew were there. And Joel's like are they armed? And Abby's like hell yeah, they're armed. Joel's like good, I love guns, let's go. Because Joel's and this is again different from the game, which I think the show makes it make a little bit more sense, because I know one of the conceits of the game is like Joel would never go willy nilly into some random stranger's cabin and he did but in this it's out of desperation and Joel's like, hey, we need to recruit these armed people to defend Jackson because the town's under attack and my brother's there like we need to get these, get these guns and get get rolling.
Speaker 2:So they get rolling, they get up the hill, they get to the cabin and joel's like poof out of the fire and into a cozy cabin. This is great.
Speaker 1:This cabin's really well kept together for being in the apocalypse. It is very well kept together.
Speaker 2:It looks furnished. You guys seem really really nice. Thanks guys. You guys rock and joel's like all right, get your, get your stuff let's go.
Speaker 1:Dina has frostbite. That sucks. Sorry, Dina, Sorry Isabella Marcel.
Speaker 2:And Mel's like nope, we need to chill to get you looked after and warm. And Joel's like, whew, nice golf clubs. I used to golf back in the day. I love golf. Nice golf clubs, I used to golf back in the day. I love golf. And Abby's like this is Dina and this dramatic turn is Joel, bum, bum, bum. And Joel's like, yeah, yeah, I'm Joel, I'm Joel, I'm handsome. And Abby's like, yep, you are Ka-blam, ka-blam-o, uh-oh, you're the scene of Joel's death from the Last of Us, part II.
Speaker 1:I love a few things I love. I love Mel's humanity. I think she's a little bit more human in this show than she was in the game, which helps too. Yeah, because it's ooh, if they do the thing where Mel, when Ellie murders Mel Lord, like that's going to be even tougher. And again, I was thinking about it too, because I made the point. I said I think they got the mocap from the one actor that was in Agents of SHIELD I forget what her name was to play Mel in the game, but the actress that they have here that was in the runaways.
Speaker 2:Yeah, gert from the runaways, gert from runaways yeah, she has an innocence to her Apparently cried for real and they just kept it in.
Speaker 2:Wow, like cried for real when the thing was happening and they just kept it in because they were like no, that's awesome, actually, that's real, that's not acting. So, yeah, abby blasts Joel in the leg with a shotgun and then she's like tourniquet his leg and now it's Haha, it's rewind time, it's torture time, baby. She grabs the golf club and Joel's like, and she gives Joel this speech where she's like I'm going to give you the chance to tell the truth. This is before she shoots him. She's like I'm going to give you the chance to tell the truth, um, or this, before she shoots him. She's like I'm gonna give you a chance to be honest for once. Like where was the last place you were that were fireflies? And he says salt lake, um, and she says you know you killed 18 fireflies that day and one doctor, um. And then joel says something about like you know, like I'm sorry, I like ruined your life or whatever, um, and abby goes what life? And then she blasts him no, joel goes.
Speaker 1:I saved you. Oh, I saved your life saved your life.
Speaker 2:And he goes what life? And blasts him with the shotgun um, tourniquets his leg and then she kind of like goes she says the line she goes into sicko mode. You don't get to rush this yeah because she yeah, and then smashing him in the leg with the golf club Smash cut to everyone. Abby's crew going ugh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, except for Manny. Who's like Manny's like about time.
Speaker 2:Hell yeah, let me get a couple of swings.
Speaker 1:This guy's really a thorn in my side.
Speaker 2:Cut back to Jackson, it's all hell is breaking loose, literally the bloater is. The bloater is in full force and is about to go after Maria and Tommy's like hey, you big idiot, come here. And the bloater's like hmm, I know you ain't talking to Big Bob like that. What does Big Bob like to do?
Speaker 2:smash, though, yup and he's he's got a flannel wearing mustachioed sniper rifle carrying man that he would love nothing more than the smash stachioed sniper rifle carrying man that he would love nothing more than a smash Bob smash. He chases Tommy into the alleyway and Tommy's like.
Speaker 1:Oh boy.
Speaker 2:Oh no, this looks like a box fight arena.
Speaker 1:I got my flamethrower though.
Speaker 2:I got my flamethrower, though Flame on the bloater's. Like Big Bob ain't afraid of no flamethrowers, Until he is Just when Tommy runs out of juice on the flamethrower, the bloater's like. You know what my HP's at zero Falls down Dramatic fall for the bloater you just got me.
Speaker 1:I was at two health points, but then the flames kept going. The burn damage got me.
Speaker 2:The burn damage got me. The burn damage got me. So Tommy gets out of there, release the hounds. Maria says A little too late. Maybe release the hounds a little earlier. That should have been one of your first, that should have been the first move. The hounds turn the tide of battle somehow and then it's over.
Speaker 1:The hounds are the equivalent to Gandalf the White.
Speaker 2:Coming back in Return of the King, yeah, we released the hounds and we did it. Everybody. We won. Many people are dead. Yeah, everyone's almost dead. This cleanup is going to be outrageous. I'm not coming into work tomorrow actually no.
Speaker 2:I will not be part of whatever cleanup is going to be required here, where we have to take five trillion bodies off the street. Right, you guys call me when it's done. I think I'm sick tomorrow. Guys, jesse and Ellie make their way up to the cabin Because they heard that Joel and Dina didn't check in. And there's good reason why they didn't check in Because Dina's asleep and Joel got his leg blown off, so they won't be checking in. They were very and check in. Because Dina's asleep and Joel got his leg blown off, they won't be checking in. They were very careful to just put Dina to sleep. They injected a little thing in her arm, which again is different from the game, because it's Tommy in the game and Tommy gets smashed in the face until he's unconscious, which Abby did threaten Dina with. They're like stick the needle in her arm or I'm going to smash your head in and that'll put her to sleep. Yep, and Manny's like I'd like to see that personally.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, can we do option B? Actually, option A is mad boring. I think Manny hates Mel because how subdued Mel is, he's like why can't we start? Shooting love violence.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, abby's smashing Joel with a golf club, just smashing him in the leg. Owen's like come on, can we go home? Can you just end this please? And Abby's like can you guys stop trying to tell me how to revenge? Right, I'm very angry and I'm very upset and this man deserves this. And Owen's like alright, let her cook.
Speaker 1:She's pulling the Dave Chappelle from the they tried to kill. My father Did kill my father, they tried to kill my father.
Speaker 2:And Owen's like you got five minutes and then just put a bullet in him and let's go. And then Ellie blasts through the door. Yep, not for long she gets thrown on the floor by Manny. She slashes Manny across the face. Manny will remember that. He kicks her in the ribs real hard and he's like I'm a killer. And they're like whoa, whoa, come on, man. Come on, man Chill out bro, we're not here to kill her, we're here to kill one man, and one man only.
Speaker 1:And then the thing happens. Joel Demetrius.
Speaker 2:Miller. The thing happens that I was convinced they weren't going to do in the second episode and then they did it. Ellie is screaming at Joel to get up. He is beaten, beaten to death, almost to death. And then Abby Owen's like all right, this is getting way out of hand. Clearly these people from Jackson know that we're here Because there's another one. Another one just showed up, so presumably others will show up, so let's go, please. So Abby grabs the piece of the golf club Because she beat him so viciously that the head broke off the golf club, and then she stabs him through the neck and Ellie swears revenge I'm gonna kill you. It's almost like it's some type of cycle of violence unfolding.
Speaker 1:You're the cycle of violence from the Last of Us, part 2.
Speaker 2:Dog. They let Ellie live and they leave. And Ellie crawls over to Joel, she hovers over him and then she lays on him, yeah, on his dead corpse. We call it back. He's fine. Fine, he'll be okay.
Speaker 1:No, he won't, he actually won't be okay joe miller will not return.
Speaker 2:Um, we cut back to jackson and everyone's like whew, good thing, nothing horrible happened while we were fighting all these zombies? No, our infrastructure manager, joe miller's, dead um, and then we cut back to Dina. Well, ellie and Jesse, carrying Dina back to Jackson with a body bag, no, no.
Speaker 1:I hate you, craig Mazin, because I was watching. And then Ashley Johnson singing through the valley and then next thing, you know, I see they're rolling through and I was like this sucks. And then they're dragging his body behind. I said what did I text you? I texted you like I'm numb. And then I saw them dragging his body. I said I'm not numb anymore and now I'm in actual pain.
Speaker 2:And that's it. They did it. They killed Joel in episode two. Fear not, pedro Pascal will return.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Because the power of flashbacks. Spoilers for Last of Us, part 2. There are several Ellie and Joel flashbacks, that kind of Fulfill, that five year gap, and I'm assuming we're going to get one with Joel and Eugene as well. So fear not, there will be much more Pedro Pascal this season.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you don't get Pedro Pascal and have him in two episodes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know so he'll be back, but Joel, unfortunately, in the present day, will not be back. He has been tackled. Yeah, I know so he'll be back, but Joel, unfortunately, in the present day, will not be back. He has been tackled. Him and Bob the Bloater enjoying the big infected arena in the sky man, they did it. They killed Joel in episode two, like you said. Crazy how they just kind of followed the game. Huh, um, and it's, yeah, it's harrowing, it's emotional. Um, and now Ellie will go on her revenge tour.
Speaker 1:It's jarring Every time I see the body getting dragged behind.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I hate it. I hate you, Craig Mason. You're so good at your job.
Speaker 2:I hate you. Episode 3 will be coming out Sunday.
Speaker 1:That'll be the call to action episode for season 2.
Speaker 2:For Ellie, for Tommy, for everybody, because we still have to see Tommy's reaction to everything.
Speaker 1:Tommy's going to lose it.
Speaker 2:I'm really curious to see how they play that with Tommy having not been there. He's going to lose it, daredevil.
Speaker 1:We didn't even it. Yeah, daredevil. Yeah, we didn't even talk about Daredevil yet I just realized we've been talking about him for a while we still got a whole Daredevil talk, daredevil talk to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, daredevil Born Again is out, it's done.
Speaker 1:Season one is over, and what a miracle this show is yeah, I mean you want to talk about stitching together to near perfection. That's Daredevil Born Again. I mean you know how lucky they are that people didn't herald this season as an absolute mess. Some people did.
Speaker 2:I saw some people calling it a mess because, but you know, calling it a mess with great moments is still better than what the worst versions were the original version, if it never got touched, I guess yeah, man I can't believe they salvaged this and then they gave us that out of there as well too yeah, this show is kind of frankenstein between we have we have season season one, which is episode one, eight and nine, and then season one, which is episodes two through seven.
Speaker 1:With a little bits that go into the one eight, nine section.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a little through line. So let's talk about the I guess, original recipe born again stuff, which is episodes two through seven, which still has some really, really good stuff, specifically the White Tiger, hector Alos stuff.
Speaker 1:Man man.
Speaker 1:That we touched upon upon, I think, when those episodes came out it's some of the it was some of the most like you want to talk about. When some people are like I wish the mcu would do more day in the life, there it is. That's the stuff that I'm talking about. If people say that that's the stuff that you need to approach it as like you want to talk day in the life of, like bring, have reed richards, bring him to bring you to his lab, or have matt murdoch have an actual trial with another hero with him, like.
Speaker 1:That's the stuff and the emotional impact and it's beyond the actor passing away too. It's just the emotional impact would have been the same either way and the execution was really well done. So I will say to the wherewithal to save that I don't know what they cut and what they, but the wherewithal to save as much. I think the only point that I think you made before is like I wish he would have white-tigered more. Maybe that's the only thing I wish, but maybe that was the point is that he wasn't the white tiger, he was Hector Ayala.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean we talked about Camar de los Reyes' performance, my God, Amazing Like that courtroom scene when you know Daredevil or Matt flips on him and says like you're White Tiger, aren't you? And then he goes. He keeps asking him you know, why did you save this person, why did you save that person? And Hector keeps saying because it was the right thing to do, and then only for that to flip around with Fisk saying like this is unacceptable. And then you know we later find out that it's Cole North that executes Hector Ayala um and kills him, and you're like that. Then that episode three is so jarring when white tiger is just out and then Cole steps out of the darkness and just boom, just shoots him dead.
Speaker 1:And you're like Holy, just boom, just shoots him dead and you're like holy shit. So I thought that was really great. Muse man, what a. You had something actually special and you could have had like, and I think this is something you could have really used it to advantage. If this show is going to have a season every year for just keep it rolling, like I don't know when you ever have to cut it off. But one thing you really could have did was like show could have operated on their. The villains just don't die, they just keep evolving, changing. They're humans, they're people, so things keep happening in their lives.
Speaker 1:The handling of muse, I think, is like a direct correlation to the chopping of this season. Um, I think they needed to kind of take one of them off the board because how are you gonna? And I think it was they probably watched back and and they saw Winston Bethel and how good he was and they were like I don't know if we can have two big-time villains like this running at the same time and they had to pick, and obviously you're going to pick Winston Bethel 15 times out of 10. But Muse had potential. You want to talk about actual potential. He had it, which is, you know it sucks that a he's dead. I I would have wanted so much more out of that actor too. Not in the performance. I wanted more Like. I wanted more. I wanted to see like this, you know, two faced like psychotic like. But I think I'm right to help this point as well too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would have liked to have seen a little more of his motivation, a little bit more of his kind of pathos, you know, as the character, not as the, as the human, as the person, not as muse because we see muse a ton at least you know comparatively whereas like, we don't see uh, I forget what the character's name is, um, but we don't see him a ton other than you know when he first sees heather and then later you get that really gripping scene, um, with him in the in her office.
Speaker 2:Um, I thought that was really really good. But yeah, I mean to be fair, the muse stuff is a catalyst for daredevil suiting up again, which is an awesome, awesome scene when you know he finds out that hector's niece has been kidnapped by muse and then he's about to call 9-1-1 and then he hangs up and he says fuck it, and then you see him in the suit and then we get this really great shot of muse in the subway and the red light behind him and then daredevil zips in and we get a really nice. I think the new team did that fight scene, if I'm not mistaken yes.
Speaker 2:Yes, yep, and it's really good and it intersperses with a really great parallel of Fisk coming out of his shell and brutalizing Adam.
Speaker 1:Vanessa's down. You want to talk about somebody down for the cause.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Vanessa's character. She was very interesting this season. The only thing I'll say is the original and I know like you want to talk about like character evolution, like. What I do appreciate is the definitiveness of it, of like she's, she's in, like I'm in, like I'm, I'm in. I would have liked a little bit more prolonged animosity between the two of them, like I would have liked if it was more of like a Fisk has another secondary antagonist coming out of and, lo and behold, it's his actual wife, because he seems, I think, going into the next season, which I think they're going to deal with, he seems a little bit too bulletproof at this point, like he doesn't have.
Speaker 1:Incredibly bulletproof, like he doesn't have another catalyst out of the way. Um, I guess it would be bullse, but I think that Fisk says he has too much protection right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Vanessa, like secretly trying to plot to kill him, but acting like she loves him. That could have been like imagine like she shoots at him and she loses it after she shoots at him, like Fisk leaves and she just absolutely breaks down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, no, that's a great point. Yeah, that subplot between him and Vanessa felt a little choppy.
Speaker 1:It felt like they needed to resolve this as fast as possible, and I think I know why?
Speaker 2:Because originally they were going to recast.
Speaker 1:Vanessa Fisk.
Speaker 2:Right Until the overhaul and they brought the actress's name is Ayelet Zurer. They brought her back. So I think I do feel like they probably felt. I feel like they probably shot a lot of material with the new Vanessa actress and then, when they brought Ayelet Zurer zero back, they filmed obviously new stuff. So I feel like a lot of that tension that you're talking about probably got left on the cutting room floor and they kind of had to stitch it together as best they could, yeah. So that's why I think that's why it feels maybe a little bit rushed and a little bit resolved quickly.
Speaker 1:If I think the addition you make next season, maybe you'd make next season 13 episodes. Obviously, the turnaround is going to be more difficult. To do 13 episodes if you're going to do this yearly, like eight to nine, is probably your, your wiggle room for a year, to your turnout. But if you shoot this like traditional television, like the way that you do network television, like you're just always shooting, like when we were watching the Flash that's why changes can happen. Midseason is because you're always shooting you can kind of adapt to audience reaction, to whatever needs to be adapted. So I wonder if I think that's going to be their approach. I think they want to treat this as like network television, of like we're going to have a season every single year, like every year during, just like we were watching the Flash, just like we were watching Arrow, like every year October of every year the new season comes out of everything and then we start again.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So yeah, the Mew stuff, I think obviously is kind of a low point because it just felt unfulfilled.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think episode seven's the worst episode of the season.
Speaker 2:It's episode seven or episode two are probably the weakest episodes of the season. Yeah, yeah, I think you're right. I think seven is probably the weakest, um, because it a lot happens and a lot of it just kind of feels a little like you're just like, that's it yes, exactly, I felt like unfulfilled after the, after the episode, like it just kind of felt like muse was getting going yeah, and then episode seven happens, and he's just that's it.
Speaker 1:He's just off the board and I thought you had the potential, like I said, to keep like, just like I'm reading a comic, like these heroes have villains coming at them from all different directions with all different motivations, and the Muse and Bullseye potential to team up against Daredevil is gone now. So you have some interesting kind of plot threads that are now gone unless somebody takes the mantle of Muse next.
Speaker 2:Which I think is possible. I wouldn't totally shut the door on that happening, which I think is possible. I wouldn't totally shut the door on that happening, honestly. I think another casualty of the Frankenstein nature is the Heather character.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she gets. Unfortunately, as the season progresses, she kind of gets I don't know the word I'm looking for she starts to erode as the season goes on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she doesn't get literally. You know, there's a term in comics and writing in general called fridging, where a character just kind of dies just to move the plot along. She doesn't get literally fridged, I think she gets creatively fridged.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's too easy for Fisk to just take her and her to be just so down.
Speaker 2:Like I don't think you do that in a season one with the character. The conflict between her and matt felt very forced like to where she she's supposed to be, like an empath and like an empathic therapist type and like anytime any for some reason, anytime he tries to say stuff about fisk, she just doesn't want to hear it right and she thinks he's like losing his mind. And I'm just like I feel like the guy with the history with this person.
Speaker 1:You should kind of trust him a little bit more, and aren't you a therapist?
Speaker 2:you can't read this from him and I don't like the fact where he says I think it's in episode seven, it might. It might be episode seven or it might be episode eight. Even when he says it, when he's like you know, fisk is using you to get to me like if he's in our lives, that's a problem. And then she says he's the mayor, he's in all of our lives. What does that mean? What mayor is in in?
Speaker 1:your life, especially of new york city. Right, yeah, exactly, some small town maybe, yeah, not in new york city yeah, so yeah, that character.
Speaker 2:I need to see a little bit more from that character before I'm. Yeah, I need to see a little bit.
Speaker 1:I need a little bit more of a dynamic nature, like I need something. Like you want to talk about karen and like the immediate punch that she gives you in season one, like the innocence that there's.
Speaker 2:Like we can talk about karen and the punch that she gives you in this show yeah Like, and she does it in two episodes. Yeah, I mean when she, and again, it's creatively different. But when man, when she shows back up in episode nine, it felt right, right, exactly.
Speaker 1:The original score played the show was that and all of like.
Speaker 2:The show like was just clicking on a whole nother set of cylinders in that finale which we're going to have to just talk.
Speaker 1:The last two episodes were great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which is not accidental. No. So I mean, is there anything from like the old? I mean I will say this Something from the old stuff that I really liked was that episode five.
Speaker 1:Yes, the bank, yeah, that was and you want to talk again. The network television approach bottle episodes are always a thing Like the this person does this thing and it's like a rant, like yeah, it's like the week to week thing. That's probably one of the best week to week things we've. That's probably one of the only week to week things we've. That's probably one of the only week-to-week things we've ever gotten in the mcu outside. I really enjoyed it. I I loved that episode. It was one of my favorite episodes. Like we don't see that in the mcu, like you don't usually see that in modern superhero storytelling outside of the arrowverse, where it's like drop the character into this thing, they just deal with this thing for this episode. There's no like larger implication, it's just that episode, and it's not.
Speaker 2:Even the insertion of kamala khan's father was not distracting no, it wasn't intrusive.
Speaker 1:It felt natural. Yeah like he was there and just felt like and you want to bring up the comic point like where characters show up of like that's cool, like kamala khan's dad is the bank he works at the bank. He just works at the bank that they're, and like the universe is bigger, but it's also, you know, when you think of small world, ain't it? Yeah, and what Kamala Khan's dad also does is he accentuates Matt's nobility as well, too. I hope to get you down there for dinner one day too.
Speaker 2:And I just love Matt doing Matt things.
Speaker 1:I love. Yeah, yeah, it's getting him in a situation Again the bottle episode. You put them in a situation that's a little bit off and a little bit weird and then they have to navigate through this thing and see it out on the other side when the bank's being robbed and he walks back in.
Speaker 2:he's like he's like hey, what are you doing here? You're like who me? You're talking to me. I'm blind, I can't see who's talking. Who is this? What is this Is?
Speaker 1:this a robbery in progress. What's going on? No way Is this a 187?. What's happening?
Speaker 2:I don't like you, solicitor, shout out to that guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that guy was cool, he's a better villain than Muse in this season.
Speaker 1:He got away, he did get away.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I need that guy to. Once a year and every single year on St Paddy's Day, he does that and Daredevil has to go back and deal with it every single time. But their tech just gets a little better every time they do it. I would like him. Yeah, I would enjoy that.
Speaker 2:Do it every single season him as like a C-list, like recurring villain who's just like he's not threatening anyway, like he's not actually gonna win rob the bank, but like he's just like a thorn in the side, mm-hmm, like he gets. Yeah, that's kind of like what Officer Powell was this season.
Speaker 1:You mean Robert young Robert De Niro. That guy looks exactly like young Robbie De Niro.
Speaker 2:Him getting conked in the head in the tunnel was hilarious. He was like, hey, bonk, he gets taken out like you sure it was Daredevil. He's like, yeah, I'm pretty fucking sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just got to say guys, I think it was him.
Speaker 2:I love the beef between him and Matt. Yo, they do hate each other. I heard you have a black eye. Sorry to hear that. You know what they say the cure for a black eye is fast hands. And even the judge was like all right, yeah what's your problem, bro?
Speaker 1:Cut it out. What's your problem, mr Murdoch? That was crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if there's anything else from the newer stuff. I mean, the Punisher stuff is great, obviously, yeah the Punisher stuff is really good In episode four yeah, but that's part of the 189 extension.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because, berth, what they were going to do with my character, I was done, I was not going to come back. So I mean, but that scene was one of the best scenes out of this entire show.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he got life.
Speaker 1:What about old Foggy? He got life. Come on, guys, you don't say that, you don't say that.
Speaker 2:What is that? What is that?
Speaker 1:That's what he would have said when the bloater was coming. What is?
Speaker 2:that Punisher? Why is he still coming? Why is he still coming? Tommy hit him with a flamethrower.
Speaker 1:Why is he still coming?
Speaker 2:We'll talk about Punisher when we start talking about these other episodes. I'm trying to think if there's anything else. I mean the Fisk stuff is all really good throughout, and the narrative choice to use Fisk and Matt as these two people fighting against their darker natures and then embracing said darker natures by the time we get to the finale was one of my favorite things that Daredevil on TV has ever done was the duality, and I love those they do it a couple times where they have these fight sequences of Matt and Fisk At the same time At the same time.
Speaker 2:The Muse one, specifically, is incredible where Daredevil's fighting Muse and Fisk is quote time at the same time. The muse one, specifically, is incredible where daredevil's fighting muse and Fisk is quote unquote fighting Adam. Um, also love that too because it kind of also speaks to their personalities, because daredevil is stepping into that confrontation with muse, not knowing what to expect, and he's doing it for a noble reason. He's doing it to save Hector's niece, whereas Fisk is fighting Adam. Out of you know, he knows Adam can't touch him, but he knows Adam's not a threat. He's doing it to fulfill his own Adam was an artist.
Speaker 1:Of course he's not a threat he's fulfilling his own ego.
Speaker 2:So I really liked how they paralleled those two scenes where Matt is fighting because he's Matt's stepping back into the shoes of his darker half, because he's doing something noble, he's saving a life, he's stepping into the unknown, dealing with Muses, whereas Fisk is going back to his darker nature because he just can't help it.
Speaker 1:And because it fuels his ego, he thinks that's the only way to save the city. That's his problem.
Speaker 2:Which leads to Vanessa shooting Adam in the head, and then, yeah, I mean now we can just kind of talk about the episode one. Episode eight, episode nine the Benson and Moorhead Daredevil Born Again, season one.
Speaker 1:Man.
Speaker 2:As we like to call it. Once episode eight hit and it's just so funny, man, Episode eight, even though episode you know, even though episode eight literally picks up after episode one. Like it's kind of wild how they did this. Where like they're like eh, let's just kind of do our own season within three episodes.
Speaker 1:No, I'm going to do my own thing.
Speaker 2:Let's do our own season within three episodes, because episode eight literally just picks up with Bullseye in prison. It's like the last four or five episodes didn't even happen and we're just picking up a bullseye in prison.
Speaker 1:Man, just down to the way that opening shot yes, that blue rose. The whole thing feels different. It's wild. I knew they were on to something. I knew they were on to something.
Speaker 2:Even people who weren't tapped into the logistics of who was doing what, who was shooting what, even people watching episode eight, when this reminds me a lot of episode one, for some reason? Um, and it's because, yeah, this episode one, episode eight, episode nine, done by the new creative team, um, spearheaded by aaron morehead, justin benson and dario scarta pain, um, dario scarta pain was involved with the netflix series, um, and uh, involved with the punisher as well, so you might be that might be why you would just tell by the way it's shot a different way.
Speaker 1:It looks a bit different than two through seven.
Speaker 2:It looks a bit different. It's absolutely insane.
Speaker 1:Man that interaction that he has with with Bullseye in the prison.
Speaker 2:And then I just, you know just the small little tethers to the Netflix stuff too, where welcome to gen pop agent point Dexter, like that's where you remember like, oh, he used to work at the FBI, like he did all this stuff Vanessa name, jobs, nadim in the finale, um, so that tells you that these new teams, like the new team is building off of the netflix series, where it felt like the other show was kind of kind of what they promised, which was we're kind of loosely adapting from the netflix series, but we're really not going to talk about it right like you know, karen and foggy were not at all in the original iteration of the show right um, which I think.
Speaker 2:I think it was dario scartapane that talked about how the premiere of the original Born Again was going to go Right, which was going to just be Matt in the suit crying, essentially.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:And it was going to be intimated that Foggy was killed, instead of them actually showing us that Right, so that's kind of where we were headed, right. So, again, like total testament to everyone that was able to tether the show together. Right, because then we get episode eight and it just kicks into another gear, like it feels like a totally different show. Right From the previous six episodes. Right, we get Bullseye put in prison Like everything just feels like it's moving at a quicker pace.
Speaker 2:Everything, all the dialogue, is intentional. That episode eight has one of my favorite lines in the entire series when Matt tells Kristen you know we're not serving justice, we're babysitting chaos.
Speaker 1:You're like that's a bar. You know you want to talk about tension, oh, dual edged tension. When Bullseye breaks out of the prison and he and that smile they pulled that comic panel that smile where he has his tooth broken man, you're like it's on. It's on Because you know he's headed for the gala.
Speaker 2:And then it starts to ramp, but you don't know why. Yep.
Speaker 1:What is it? Who's he after? Is he after Matt? Does he know Matt's daredevil? Is he after him? Is he after Fisk, for obvious reasons.
Speaker 2:He pulls one of my favorite wrestlers of all time, scott Hall. He pulls a Scott Hall from Monday Nitro. You know who I am, but you don't know why I'm here. And that's exactly what happens with Bullseye. But we get that great scene between Wilson Bethel and Charlie Cox where Matt finds out that Bullseye wants to talk to him and Matt's like why? And then Bullseye says, hey, man, I'm going to die in here. Aren't you supposed to be like, mr Nobility? Aren't you supposed to help people who need help, like defend the defenseless? Like isn't that what you're dealing with? And Matt's like I don't give a flying fuck about you man, you're getting exactly what you deserve.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you said in another life you would have been defending me.
Speaker 2:F you, man, isn't that what good people do? And Matt smashes his head against the table.
Speaker 1:If one thing about this specific season has taught me, Matt's a jerk. Oh, he's unhinged.
Speaker 2:He's unhinged. He snapped that man's leg in half for no reason.
Speaker 1:He did not have to do that no, not at all.
Speaker 2:He wanted to, I wanted to, and I liked it you bought drugs from him, john but it also does like you can read that a couple ways like did Matt know by doing that to Bullseye that he would get out?
Speaker 1:maybe I mean you know he's gonna go to the infirmary for that.
Speaker 2:Know, by doing that to Bullseye, that he would get out Maybe Mm-hmm. I mean, you know he's going to go to the infirmary for that. Yep, you know, once he goes to the infirmary, anything can happen.
Speaker 1:I don't think Matt cared too much.
Speaker 2:No, no. But I think it was like one of those things where, like I'm not, it's the reverse of the al Ghul, where he says I don't have to save you, or I'm not going to kill you, but I don't have to save you, matt kind of does the same thing with Bullseye I'm not going to get you out of prison, but I'm also not going to not get you out of prison. I'm not going to go to court and defend you, but if you should so happen, to get out of this situation able, it is what it is.
Speaker 2:Exactly, it is what it is. Then Poindexter gets out, he shows up at that gala and then we just get the most tense 15 minutes of anything ever.
Speaker 1:It's nuts. We get finger guns. Wilson Fisk dancing. I didn't like that.
Speaker 2:It was unsettling. I didn't like it.
Speaker 1:What? He can't have a good time. I don't like him having a good time. He can't just have a jolly old good time.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I don't like it so much of those scenes are brought with tension though, Even the scene with Jack and Fisk in the office, I'm like what's going to happen here? It gave me that Netflix vibes. Anytime anyone's in a room with Fisk, I get nervous. I'm like is Jack going to kill Jack Duquesne here? Is Jack going to?
Speaker 1:take a sword out and fight Wilson Fisk.
Speaker 2:Hit him with a fire, poker or something. I'm God, I'm God that man.
Speaker 1:What a crazy addition to this show. Jack Duquesne, All the characters you could have pulled from From the MCU, from the Netflix shows. You pulled Jack Duquesne. All the characters you could have pulled from From the MCU, from the Netflix shows. You pulled Jack Duquesne out of everything. I need more Tony Dalton. I'm telling you give him a special presentation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would love to see him just give someone grief. That's in my mind what the swordsman does. He doesn't fight crime, he just gives people grief. He's annoying. I would love for him to annoy the tracksuit mafia for five episodes.
Speaker 1:Oh my God. No, give him a special. Have Antonio Banderas be the villain.
Speaker 2:I would love for him to just annoy the tracksuit mafia for an hour and a half.
Speaker 1:Who was causing issues? Let's look up swordsman villains in the comics. There's no way he has a rogues. Gallery man Well villains there's no way he has a rogues gallery.
Speaker 2:I man, well, he was a villain to start, oh, he was a rogue. Yep, that makes a lot of sense, but yeah, so that's incredibly tense. Heather shows up at the gala, matt shows up at the gala, and then we just get Matt just can't let this beef go with Fisk and it leads to his ruination of his relationship with Heather. But before that, we do get this scene with Matt returning to Josie's, where he puts up, he pieces the puzzle together of like what happened with Foggy Right, which I think is really good when he's like wait, josie, he pulled out the, he pulled out the old Malvinies. Yeah, he's like, nah, he wouldn't do that unless he was gonna.
Speaker 1:Oh, my god, he was gonna win.
Speaker 2:He was gonna win and he was celebrating early. And then not Brett Mahoney was there, Cherry? Come on man. Should that have not just been Brett?
Speaker 1:Mahoney the whole time. I agree with you. I I agree with you. I would have even rathered it be Cole North. I would have rathered a very different version of Cole North. Possibly the only character wasted more than Muse was Cole. He is very much different. In that Zdarsky run he's an actual character. In that Zdarsky run he's a character in this, but it's just the no he's not, he's just the Robert De Niro guy gets more play than Powell, gets more play than him.
Speaker 2:He's the chief operator behind the Ayala murder.
Speaker 1:But that's one thing I will say about the finale. It's so trivial that he is. It could have been any one of them and it wouldn't have mattered.
Speaker 2:Right, no, yeah, I mean it's purposeful that when he shoots Hector it's in the shadows.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:You.
Speaker 1:When he shoots.
Speaker 2:Hector, it's in the shadows, Right, Like you don't know who. It is Right and it doesn't really matter. But yeah, we get Matt realizing that Foggy was about to win his case and he was silenced. Silenced by whom, you ask?
Speaker 1:That's what he's there-. You embarrassed me in front of Vanessa.
Speaker 2:You embarrassed me in front of Wilson Because Matt gets there and he just can't ignore Fisk and Heather's like. You're not even listening to me right now.
Speaker 1:He's like no, I'm not. No, I'm not. Huh, you're asking me dumb questions. I'm not listening to you, I'm not kissing you.
Speaker 2:Cue to this sequence where not Wesley comes in Buck, I like Buck.
Speaker 1:I do like Buck. Yeah, buck doesn't yap as much as Wesley did. No, he didn't, but I love listening to Wesley yap he shoots that one.
Speaker 2:He shoots Luka from across the restaurant.
Speaker 1:One thing about.
Speaker 2:Buck. One thing about Buck.
Speaker 1:He's a great shot. Listen, buck knows how to handle himself. Low-key, I do respect that. Buck can handle himself.
Speaker 2:He gets in fifth tier and he's like point dexter he gets in Fisk's ear and he's like Poindexter escape the prison. What, oh man, what, oh no, we gotta go man, we gotta go man. So yeah, bullseye's there, everyone's there, all your favorites are back in one place, matt, he's like mind of eye cut in and he takes Vanessa away from Fisk, which I know Fisk wanted to crush his little beady head at that moment. You embarrassed me in front of Vanessa.
Speaker 2:He did embarrass him in front of Vanessa and Matt's like I know it was you. And Vanessa's like huh, what are you talking about? Matt's like you had Fongy murdered. And Vanessa's like you need to calm down. He said shut up bro.
Speaker 1:No, big deal.
Speaker 2:Fisk is dancing with Heather and he's like you ever notice that Matt Murdock loves vigilantes. She's like he kind of does. Yeah, we just got into an argument about this like an hour ago.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anyway, you have my vote, mr Mayor, we are the Flash.
Speaker 2:She told Matt earlier in that apartment we are Daredevil. I did like that argument, though, where heather was like they just liked boxing each other, like daredevil wasn't trying to save anyone, he just likes like. She did kind of like take the punishment side a little bit, where she was like why didn't he just kill muse?
Speaker 1:I killed muse, right, and I like I don't have any like moral thing that's gonna go at me like why couldn't you just do the same?
Speaker 2:that's like. But daredevil doesn't kill people, heather's like because he's a coward yeah she didn't say that.
Speaker 2:But if frank was there he would have said that um, but yeah, so there, I love this, you don't know. Then bullseye rides up an elevator very menacingly. He does everything menacingly, he does. I wouldn't trust it. I wouldn't trust bullseye to watch my kid no, what the. I wouldn't trust Bullseye to watch my kid. No, what the hell. I wouldn't trust Bullseye to run errands. Bullseye, in a supermarket, I don't know, I don't trust anything he does. So he goes up there. He killed some poor guy with a fork. Then he grabs the rifle Dog, you're like what? You don't know what's about to happen. He could shoot literally anyone in that room and he fires the bullet and matt jumps in front of fisk, takes the bullet he was trying to kill fisk dog chief gallows there for some reason.
Speaker 1:Why? Why fisk? Why not vanessa?
Speaker 2:I think he just hates fisk. It's like he. Well, he tells vanessa in the next episode when she we get the flashback to her getting him out, when she's like my husband has nothing to do with this and Bullseye's like he always has something to do with it.
Speaker 1:Even when he's out, he's in.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Yo Fisk and Fury in the same room.
Speaker 2:He's Nick Fury, he's Wilson Fisk. Even when he's out he's in. Um chief gallo thinks that he can just talk his way out of anything and just just by yo bro talks so loud.
Speaker 1:He was literally in the room. Next he said guys, what if we, just what if we took down the kingpin because, bro, shut up, this couldn't have been a text, will you shut?
Speaker 2:up man. Um, I do love that scene where, like the photographer, the little paparazzi guy takes a picture of fisk and then the vigilante task force goes after him and cheap gal is like, hey, knock it off you guys. This isn't right, this is police brutality, this is assault and pal's like nah this is he's like.
Speaker 2:Nah, this is assault, and he puts the guy's hand in the fryer and he's like I'm gonna have you put on you're gonna go on a one week probation you're on your way to a written warning pal you're gonna get a written reminder for this and pal's like fuck off, are you Wilson Fisk?
Speaker 1:and he's like I'm not you see this Punisher's goal.
Speaker 2:I don't answer to nobody except Wilson Fisk and the Punisher and the.
Speaker 1:Punisher. That's not Maurice, that's the Punisher. That's my favorite person, it's Frank Castle and my boss is Wilson Fisk, so get lost get lost yo. He would have been a great Commissioner Gordon.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:Gallo's, like I'll show you. I'll show you. You know, what I'm going to do. I'm going to go to the papers. I'm going to go to BB Urich. I'm going to go to BB Urich. What happened to BB's uncle? Who's to say? Who's to say he was allegedly killed by the Kingpin Allegedly yeah you're allegedly also going to be killed by the Kingpin, Mr Powell.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Chief Gallo's like hey, BB Yerrick, I have information on every corrupt cop that Fisk has ever employed. Would you like to have it? And BB's like why are you talking so loud? Yeah, isn't he right over?
Speaker 1:there.
Speaker 2:Michael Gandolfini's son can hear me from here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he can.
Speaker 2:Daniel let's talk about. Daniel, he doesn't do a lot, but he does everything, but he does a lot in the last two episodes, yeah he does? He becomes Michael Gandolfini.
Speaker 1:I love it In the last two episodes. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2:He's like a modernized version of a mob boss, which is why you cast him in the first place.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's like a social media loving like yuppie from the what's it called, from the Upper East Side-esque type of character. Yeah, but he also is about and he's a simp. He's the biggest simp for Wilson Fisk, but that's what Fisk wants. You think Fisk sees a little bit of the younger self in him.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's why, like you're loyal, that's all that matters.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he probably wished his father would have served him the same fate.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so yeah, matt takes a bullet for Fisk Segues into. We always talk about Marvel having a finale problem. This show did not have a finale problem.
Speaker 1:No, it didn't.
Speaker 2:This show had a finale solution.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's one person Jon Berthold dog.
Speaker 2:We get Vanessa talking to Bullseye when we see the flashback where she's like I need you to kill Foggy Nelson and his witness and Bullseye, he does the, he does the Hulk from Thor Ragnarok. You only want me because of my, because of my skills no, no, wilson, we love you.
Speaker 2:We love you because you're you worked that, that counseling no, benjamin, no, no, no Benji no, no, but if you could kill him that would be preferred you only like me, cause I can kill someone with literally anything. That. I got my hands on she's like no, no, I'm not fighting anymore lawyers, I'm done with it why do I keep having to do this man?
Speaker 1:Next, you're going to actually want me to go against the She-Hulk. I'm not fighting any more beings.
Speaker 2:I'm sick of it. I'm not fighting any more lawyers. I'm sick of it. You feel bad for Bullseye here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you do A little bit, you do. Somebody on Twitter was just like maybe he's an anti-.
Speaker 2:Nope, nope, nope, nope. You do somebody on twitter was just like maybe he's the.
Speaker 1:He's an anti. No, no, no, no, nope, nope, nope.
Speaker 2:He's a psychopath cut that out, um, and you cut back to him shooting. He ends up shooting matt and he's like what have I done?
Speaker 1:yeah, oops, maybe I've become the monster I still shot somebody.
Speaker 2:That's all I care about. My accuracy is still 100.
Speaker 1:Who's winning? Friendly fire or not? I still hit somebody. Listen. See, this is what Disney Plus should be used for. Give me a 45 minute One take. That'd be insane to pull off 45 minute one take Special Hawkeye vs Bullseye. Let's put this to bed.
Speaker 2:Let's settle this. They're not fighting each other, they're just doing various accuracy-based competitions.
Speaker 1:It's like a game show. They're on the Ted Gilbert show. Wait, who's winning? Hawkeye Is he?
Speaker 2:Yeah, dog Hawkeye has insane range.
Speaker 1:I think Bullseye has close quarters. Range is diabolical, but long range Hawkeye is just. He played 18, he shot 18. I just never seem to miss he shot the vision. He did shoot the vision. I don't know man, Bullseye's a problem. Yeah he is.
Speaker 2:No doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 1:He shoots Fisk Green Arrow's probably like I'm also okay at this he shoots Fisk.
Speaker 2:Matt's recovering from his bullet wound. Not a Look, matt. I understand what you're trying to do, but also not a good time for your conspiracy theory ramblings. It's not helping your.
Speaker 1:No, no, everybody thinks you're a psychopath bud.
Speaker 2:it's not helping your case when you're just laying in a hot and you're blind, so you're not looking at anybody, so you're just in a hospital bed, just like looking. Be like listen. Foggy knew he was gonna win. He was set up. Vanessa fist killed him and kristen and heather are like oh boy, he calls heather karen yo dog, fastest way to lose your girlfriend.
Speaker 2:Karen, oh no, even I was like, oh yeah, I was like, oops. So Heather's like you know what, I'll come back when you're not under the influence of several painkillers. And Kristen's like you need help. Get help, I'm not doing, get help, fisk. There's this moment at the end of episode 8 when it ends and you're like Is Fisk gonna like I don't know, is he gonna be a little conflicted that, like Nat of all people saved his life? Nope, he's just like Buck. Kill that man. Better to be a dead hero than a live vigilante. Bruh.
Speaker 1:Yo all time hater.
Speaker 2:He is an all, he is a generational hater and then we get this really bombastic Fisk D'Onofrio performance in the office when he's like I want everything shut down, I want my cops out there on the street. No body cans, no, nothing. And Chief Gallo's like whoa man, you can't do that. That would be a violation of everything I stand for as a cop and I'm not condoning Gallo Encouragement, gallo Encouragement what's he doing?
Speaker 1:in this episode. I don't know. He's cooking. That's what he's doing. Ask him what he's doing. He's cooking. What is this D'Onofrio performance? I love it, man. He's one of the classic psychopaths.
Speaker 2:And then, uh, he talks to Sheila. I like Sheila. I mean, I don't like Sheila. Now she got chief Gallo killed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. But she, she's properly terrified of him. She's, she's, the smartest person in the room.
Speaker 2:Why am I? I'm not going to fight this, At least not face fronting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not going to go in the hallway like Gallo and be like yo. Guys, I hate Wilson Fisk.
Speaker 2:Well, he said to him like it's going to be my personal mission to make your term the shortest term in history. Why would you say that to him?
Speaker 1:Ever. Why was he up there all this time?
Speaker 2:So yeah, gallo tells Sheila like, hey, I'm going to albany, here's my, my flight itinerary. Um, and I'm gonna take fist down, I'm gonna take his task force down, you're with me, right? And she was like, yeah, I'm with you to the end of the line, pal oh man, imagine congressman barn Barnes showing up in that scene.
Speaker 1:That would have been great.
Speaker 2:And Sheila's like hey, mayor Fisk, look at this conversation I just had with Chief Gallo. What else did we get in this episode? We get Daniel threatening the city council.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The suspenders are out. He's gone full. James Gandolfini.
Speaker 1:He has Listen fellas.
Speaker 2:Fellas listen.
Speaker 1:Yo fellas Fellas listen. Yo Yo Fellas listen to me. Buck's just standing there, buck's like I'm British. It's like yo fellas, we don't want no problems, do we?
Speaker 2:That would be really unfortunate if Mr Fisk found out you weren't on board. I'm just saying but you, you loaned him money. That's awesome. We should talk about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe the papers want to hear a thing or two about it. He's in the wrong universe. He should be in the Batman universe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's not enough Italian mobsters in the MCU for him to justify being there.
Speaker 1:Yeah this is crazy. And then, yes, rip the Penguin you would have loved, daniel.
Speaker 2:The Punisher shows back up hey Vic, hey Vic, that's not the Punisher, that's the Penguin.
Speaker 1:No, that's not Maurice, that's the Punisher.
Speaker 2:So Matt's laying up in his apartment. He's like man. What a day.
Speaker 1:What a day the city's blacked out. I can't see it though, but I heard it. It sounds like chaos out there.
Speaker 2:That's a cheap shot and he's like hmm, it sounds like chaos out there. I know that anyway. I think it is in my apartment. He's like you're the last person I'd expect to see here, and then the Punisher just goes on a rant about coffee.
Speaker 1:And what did Daredevil say? He said you finally got a fresh cut. Is that what you mean?
Speaker 2:The great back and forth when the Punisher's like oh they're great. He's like you're a real asshole. You know that. He's like city goes black and you don't got a goddamn thing to make a goddamn pot lot of coffee in this house and then daredevil goes. Well, not everybody lives in a fallout shelter. Frank, and he's like after shaving a haircut. That for me.
Speaker 2:And frank's like yeah, yeah, I did it for you he did do it for him, and then daredevil's like I thought this wasn't your fight and frank's like well, I got a phone call that changed my mind. Karen nick fury called me. Even when I'm out, I'm in um. Punisher only wears his trench coat for aura purposes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's Yep yeah.
Speaker 2:I love that like. That's like his signature look, and we've rarely ever seen Bird Doll in the trench coat, except for, like distance, like distance shots. He's wearing the trench coat, he only wears it for aura. Yeah, he does and he goes. I'm warning you right now, red, those fanboys come up here, I'm chopping them up and you're like uh-oh, no way he's going to actually chop them up.
Speaker 2:And then Daredevil's like not sure I want that kind of help. Frank Frank's like well, it's the help you got Because we couldn't afford any of my other defenders.
Speaker 1:Let's save it. We have a dedicated Luke Cage rant at the end of this.
Speaker 2:We couldn't afford any more defenders, so I'm here, Wait.
Speaker 1:isn't John Berthold the most famous of the defenders?
Speaker 2:And this is the one you went with. So the cops are coming, the task force is coming. They don't know Frank Castle's there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's horrifying. They also don't know Matthew Murdoch's there. No, they do. I mean they don't know Daredevil's there.
Speaker 2:No, they're just going after Matt Murdock, for some reason.
Speaker 1:And they needed everybody there to go after one blind lawyer Suspicious.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that don't seem suspicious. Well, because they were probably like well, he kicked off oh no, powell's, like guys.
Speaker 1:You guys don't understand.
Speaker 2:Look, he told me last time if we were gonna go after him again, we needed to bring more guys. We're bringing more guys. So the task force gets there, Daredevil aura farms through the ceiling, Through the skylight. He starts fighting guys and then kablam, One of these poor task force guys gets their head blown off by the Punisher. You ain't more issue to Punisher. And all the cops are like oh god, and I love. This sequence was incredible. It's nuts For a bunch of reasons. One I love that the Daredevil stuff is in regular motion and the Punisher stuff is in slow motion. That's intentional. It's because it's like a thing where the Punisher is reveling in the violence. That's why all his sequences are in slow motion. Didn't know the Punisher could do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wow, he can change camera settings. He can make things go slow motion. No wonder he's so good at terrible. Wait, was I joking that he can break the fourth wall.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, because he can't be bothered with subplots. He's a main plot only.
Speaker 1:kind of guy, Yep that's why he's getting a special and not a movie. Right, he doesn't need a B plot.
Speaker 2:Punisher has no time for B plots.
Speaker 1:Give me 52 minutes and I'll be good.
Speaker 2:So we get this incredible scene where Daredevil and the Punisher are fighting people, bodies are flying everywhere, the Punisher's shooting Daredevil gets this one cop absolutely brutalized when he goes, frank, stop. And then Frank shoots this cop probably eight times. He's like I'll show you, I'll show you, stop. It's great. I mean, what else can I say about this sequence? It's great. I mean, what else can I say about this sequence? It's incredible. And then things start to slow down a little bit. Cole North fires at Daredevil. Daredevil dodges the gunfire, which is awesome.
Speaker 1:It's funny because he's dodging the gunfire.
Speaker 2:Meanwhile Punisher's just murdering everybody that's in his crosshairs. Punisher throws a knife through Cole North's hand and then we get a little narrative tension where the Punisher picks up the Punisher's shell casing and he's like hey man, I think we found your guy that killed old White Tiger there. And then Daredevil's like did you do this? Did you kill White Tiger? And Cole North's like yeah, maybe I did, I wanted to and I liked it.
Speaker 2:I wanted to and I liked it and Cole's like do whatever you gotta do. I did what I did. I'm cool with it. Again, to your point. Not a great representation for our boy, cole North.
Speaker 1:No, that was not great.
Speaker 2:I gotta unequivocally say that was not outstanding Daredevil conks him in the head and the Punisher's like kill him, do it, do. And the Punisher's like kill him, do it, do it. Come on, you beat me by one second. Dang it. Daredevil starts having flashbacks to Hector, to Foggy, and he's like nah, I'm not going to do it. And the Punisher's like well, if you're not going to do it, I will Don't worry. He goes to shoot Cole and Daredevil steps in front of him and he's like nah, I don't want this. Frank and Frank's like or Daredevil's like, it's not what I want, he doesn't, he's not worth it. And then Frank looks over at some other cop that's off screen and goes well, what about him? Is he worth it? Bang, bang, bang. They get into a classic Daredevil-Punisher argument that was crazy.
Speaker 2:When Daredevil's like you're always a freaking liability and Punisher's like liability.
Speaker 1:You see how many heaps of people I took out here and Daredevil's like shut up.
Speaker 2:Shut up. Grenade Punisher's like huh and he's like grenade, and then they jump out the window and then Karen shows up. Karen did show up, and then the show. Just you thought it kicked into another gear.
Speaker 1:Hey, remember the Netflix show. Let's get back to that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then we just get this incredible dialogue between Karen and Matt. Karen and Frank. Karen's like hey, you want to go on a subplot with us, frank. And Frank's like nah.
Speaker 1:No, I have a Punisher special to get to Over my dead body.
Speaker 2:Will I be part of a subplot? I'm going to say it right here.
Speaker 1:Wait, was he part of a subplot in this? No, because it sets up his plot. Oh yeah, he takes advantage of it, he turns his own. He has the mental capacity, as a fourth wall breaker, to take his subplot and turn it into a main plot of his own project. He's him.
Speaker 2:So Matt and Karen have this really nice moment when they're doing the warehouse search and Karen's like moment when they're doing the warehouse search, and Karen's like you're the best and Daredevil's like you're the best. Remember Netflix Avocados at law, medulla oblongatos at law. It's great. I mean, deborah Ann Wall is incredible. Like I said, when she shows up, the show kicks into another gear. So I'm glad she'll be back for next season. Yes, the Punisher goes to Red Hook. He's him. He's him. Comes out of the shadows. It's terrifying.
Speaker 1:They're like don't kill him, we're simping for him. Don't kill him, you should have killed him. He's the best guy around. Yeah, the cops are the definition of that. He's the best guy around. What about the people he?
Speaker 2:murdered.
Speaker 1:What murder? What murder? That's Jackson to Joel Miller. What?
Speaker 2:about the people he murdered. What murder, so the Punisher?
Speaker 1:kills more of these cops, but they finally overwhelm him because there's too many of them Even for the Punisher. He doesn't have a daredevil to kind of take a few away to set some backdoor screens for him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, meanwhile Chief Gallo shows up to talk to Fisk. He's like hey, man, this is a really weird plastic room you got.
Speaker 1:What's happening?
Speaker 2:Well, he's going to go to his flight in Albany and he comes across one of his patrolmen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's old guys. He's like Luke. I remember you when you were a rookie. Luke's like, yeah.
Speaker 2:You with the task force now, because he's got the Punisher tattoo on his neck and he's like yeah, fisk helped me out. You know how it is Gotta survive, right?
Speaker 1:And Gal was like I'm about to die, aren't I?
Speaker 2:Yep, I know where this is going. I'm gonna get mine in though. Yeah, he didn't.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna get a word in otherwise.
Speaker 2:So he goes into this room with Fisk is there, the task force is there, daniel is there, sheila's there, and Gal is like this is a weird place To have a meeting. And Fiske's like, yeah, yeah, it is, you know. And Gal is like You're a real scumbag, you know that. And Fiske's like you haven't even Seen the depths Of my scumbaggery yet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, shut up, commissioner Gordon Throat, chop Boom and you're like that was also gout.
Speaker 2:I felt that he hit him so hard. I felt it Hit him with a throat chop, then hit him with a neck chop.
Speaker 1:Hit him with a Donkey Kong double fist to the back. Double fist to the back. Meanwhile Frank's yapping. Frank's got the task force. He's looking at young Bobby De Niro and he's like yo fellas. I just want to tell you you guys are the weirdest freaks I've ever met.
Speaker 2:I just want to tell you you guys are the weirdest freaks I've ever met. Yeah, pal's like I'm a big fan of you, castle, you're the best We'd love to serve with you.
Speaker 1:Just talk about serving. Talk about serving. Thank you for your service. He doesn't say that.
Speaker 2:He said that in another episode before he's like, what's the first thing he says when he sees him? He goes Jesus Christ, jesus Christ Joel, jesus Christ Joel.
Speaker 1:Oh, we never got that. Dang it. Even their Punisher skulls look weird.
Speaker 2:They're mid. They're no good. Like I don't know, Did Cole do his own Punisher skull Because that one looked great. Cole's Punisher skull looked great. Yeah, the other ones look horrible Cole died, and they were like, oh no, our artist, our artist, our muse, our resident artist died. Who's gonna draw our Punisher skulls? I guess we gotta do it ourselves. And it looks like it. They look terrible. They look no good you found these Punisher skulls on DeviantArt didn't you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is no good Now on all of my bingo cards. I just didn't think that Gallo's face being ripped in half was on there. Holy shit, dude.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we're intercutting between Frank and the task force and Fisk and Gallo. And it's really smart because you're waiting, because with Fisk, anytime he's got his hands on someone, you're just waiting for the gross, explosive thing to happen. So they keep cutting back and forth between that and Punisher and you're like when is it? Which one is it it? What's gonna happen? Um, because you got the task force being like we'd love to have you on our side, frank and frank's like get fucked.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no thanks, no thanks, no thanks no thanks, I'm good and I just love the, I love the just deconstruction of it where he's like you're a bunch of clowns, like you don't know why I do what I do. Like what is this? It's like you think you. And then I love how castle's like you think you know why I do what I do, Like what is this. And then I love how Castle's like you think you know my loss, Like my pain, Like I didn't become the Punisher because I wanted to freaking Kill people for fun. Yeah, I'm doing it because of my family, you frauds. And then Pal's like alright, well, I guess we're just gonna punch him. I don't know what this. I don't know what they were trying to accomplish here. Just beat him up. They still got some love for him.
Speaker 1:Just kill the Punisher. No, no, it's not that easy. It is that easy, it's not that easy.
Speaker 2:And then, yeah, so Fisk neck chop, double fist punch to the back, and then he grabs Gallo's little melon head and you're like, oh no, he's gonna Oberyn Martell him. No, he does much, much worse.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's infinitely worse.
Speaker 2:Whatever you thought the worst was going to be you would not be prepared for what he does.
Speaker 1:It's much worse.
Speaker 2:So he's squeezing his little head. Gallo's face is turning purple, his eyes are bulging out of his head and then it happens he. I don't even know how to explain anatomically what he does. I don't even know how to explain anatomically what he does.
Speaker 1:Well, it looks like he rips the fur, like he breaks the fur, like the top part of his skull, and bends it, and then his jaw gets ripped off of his mouth.
Speaker 2:I'm Wilson Fiske and you're watching Disney Channel.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what he should have done with the rabbit in the snowstorm.
Speaker 2:It is.
Speaker 1:Disgusting.
Speaker 2:Grotesque.
Speaker 1:It's like I just wasn't expecting it. That's the problem.
Speaker 2:It's like Blumhouse level horror.
Speaker 1:And gore.
Speaker 2:They ripped his head off. It's what you imagined. The car door sequence from season 1 Would have been like If you had seen it happen Instead of just squishy off-screen door slams. But they actually showed it and you're like oh, they weren't kidding.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's no good.
Speaker 2:Because they kept talking about. There's something that Kingpin does this season that blows all the Netflix stuff out of the water and you're like no way Disney would not allow that kind of thing. And then, yeah, he rips Gallo's face off and you're like oh, wow, this does rival the Netflix stuff and then they showed like I don't know if you saw the behind the scenes of like them, like constructing that prosthetic and like how they did it, but it's really really cool, like how they put that whole thing together.
Speaker 2:And then they do all these cuts to like everyone else in the room, and they're like Jesus.
Speaker 1:Christ, yeah, they were like we got to have another four years of this until reelection.
Speaker 2:And then Manny showed up from the last of us. It was like this is what I'm talking about. Good job. This is the level of violence that I Thanks.
Speaker 1:Mayor Fisk, and then he leaves. I knew I could trust you.
Speaker 2:Fisk. Then he does this little like tap, like wipe his face off with a napkin. He's like anything else. Any questions? Fisk is like everyone's like who's cleaning this up?
Speaker 1:Heather joins Fisk. Yeah, I mean, we already touched on it.
Speaker 2:I want to have hope that it's a thing where she wants to see if Matt's right and that's why she's doing it. I don't think so. I want to hope that's what it is?
Speaker 1:I just don't think so. And then we get the team up this is it, this is it, guys.
Speaker 2:Well, we get Karen and Daredevil outside. Of.
Speaker 1:Red Hook. It's some of the best. Charlie Cox has been as Daredevil, yeah, and he outside of Red Hook.
Speaker 2:It's some of the best Charlie Cox has been as Daredevil, yeah, and he's like I'm going in there, I'm doing it, and Karen's like if you go in there you will die or you will kill somebody, but most likely you will die. And if you die, like what's left, Like we can't stop Fisk if you're Fenders. Yeah, and he's like all right.
Speaker 1:Yep, I'm putting a team together.
Speaker 2:You're Karen, you're Karen Page, you're right, but we will take this city back, karen, we will. And she's like I'm in, where do we start? And he goes we need an army. And I'm like, here we go, here we go.
Speaker 1:And then we get-. Fist is gonna be there, thor's gonna be there, miss marvel's gonna be there, um louise from ant-man's gonna be there we get this before that.
Speaker 2:We get this really touching last scene between karen matt where she tells them so good where she tells them like foggy knew who you were, like the light, the dark, like all of it, and she's like that's what's gonna save us. Basically it's an incredible little monologue that she gives. It's great, it's really great. She gives him this little pep talk before he walks out to the floor of Josie's to.
Speaker 1:To beat his new superpower team. Valkyrie's gonna be there, korg's gonna be there, so he opens the doors and it's like a couple cops.
Speaker 2:It's his partner, kristen. It's Cherry. Luke Cage is there right? Nope, it's Josie.
Speaker 1:Jessica Jones is there. Danny Rand's gotta be there. Nope, hawkeye.
Speaker 2:Nope, echo, nope, none of them. None of them are there, the Wizard, the best you're getting is Karen Page, cherry, and then Matt says this is the city without fear. We're taking the city, we're not gonna take it. No, we ain't gonna take it. That's the song they should have ended on instead of the radio head song. We do get a look at Hector Al's niece looking at a couple of the task force cops.
Speaker 1:I imagine she'll be back and properly White Tiger yeah, she's like if only had a mystical amulet to give me powers. And she reaches into her pocket she's like, hmm, oh, I do. Josie, being on this task force I think is the best alright well, here's the thing this isn't actually the army. This isn't the army he was referring to yeah, this is lacking vigilantes to go against the anti-vigilante task force.
Speaker 2:This is like just the people that are like down for the cause. This isn't actually who's going to like fight the kingpin.
Speaker 1:They got to get Jack Duquesne. He's locked up. Yeah, what's with Fisk in these?
Speaker 2:cages. What's with this? So Fisk locks a bunch of, he locks up all his enemies. Wilson Fisk will address his enemies. Jack's in there, a bunch of the rich people that kind of half-heartedly threatened him are there, and then Frank is there, and then the season ends with Daredevil being like we are the city without fear and we're going to fight Fisk.
Speaker 2:End of the season. And then post-credits scene. Because the Punisher again no B-plots, no subplots for the Punisher. He talks to Anthony Petruccio, or whatever the guy's name is, yep, and he's like come shake my hand, anthony Petruccio, from Jersey, and he's like I want to shake your hand, I would love to. Mr Frank Casasar, I want to shake your hand, you're the best and Frank's like, and I'm out of prison, which will set up the Punisher series.
Speaker 1:Great. Final two episodes, yeah, yeah, one, eight and nine that's where you want to live in this show, and the cohesiveness, that's what's going to come next season, even down to the filmmaking skills that the Benson and Moorhead have. That's what I'm super excited to see next year translated, and I love that this show is coming out once every year. I love it, I love it. I love it. This is, this is television yeah, they're already filming it.
Speaker 2:Um, we've seen some set photos. The black suit is coming with the D's, the. D's the double D's the double D's are on it. He finally got the double D's um. Bullseye is back. We've seen some bullseye um, and then we really don't know much else about season two other than presumably, daredevil, the anti-vigilante task force.
Speaker 1:Right yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm ready.
Speaker 1:I'm so ready.
Speaker 2:It has been confirmed that Eldon Campbell and Deborah Ann Wall will both be back as Karen and Foggy. How's Foggy going to be back? I mean, I think it's going to be revealed that he isn't actually dead, right sure I think he actually is dead.
Speaker 1:They're going to Joel Miller him flashbacks. Baby Foggy Nelson will return.
Speaker 2:Foggy Nelson will remember that alright, so let's do the part where we talk about all the other characters that are going to show up next season.
Speaker 1:Let's do that bit no, let's talk about the one character that needs to be in this show.
Speaker 2:You have to call Luke Cage.
Speaker 1:Why was Luke Cage not the first person that you call? One Fisk is tackled. One he's bulletproof. He's bulletproof Two. He's bulletproof he answers the anti-vigilante task for carry around guns. Two he's bulletproof. He's bulletproof, yep. Three.
Speaker 2:He's bulletproof and super strong.
Speaker 1:Just could have been dealt with. Problem solved this just could have been dealt with Unless Fisk tried to get Luke Cage canceled.
Speaker 2:Now that's a plot Takes him immediately off the board he, yeah, so I mean the board. He. Um, yeah, so I mean, let's talk about this real quick. There's going to be defenders in this next season.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's Jessica and Luke Iron Fist I would love. The only thing I need I just need it to be a comic, accurate Iron Fist and I'm good, Like I need an Iron Fist the way they executed Daredevil and She-Hulk. That's the type of Iron Fist that I want.
Speaker 2:I think they're gonna get all three of them back, yep.
Speaker 1:Defenders, let's run it back. I think they're gonna do it. I think Elektra's coming back.
Speaker 2:Original actor.
Speaker 1:Yep, and she said I wanna play. She said as soon as she I think she was in an interview a few days ago she literally said if I get the call, I'm coming back. I will be back in a heartbeat.
Speaker 2:I guess, if I had to rate it in terms of likeliness, I think Jessica Jones is 100. I think Luke Cage is 90. Iron Fist is probably 65, 70. And then Elektra is probably in the same boat. Right, I think the Defenders are a safe bet. All of them are a pretty safe bet to come back. Is there anyone else that could show up next season?
Speaker 1:You made a good point, miss Marvel. I just don't know, I guess I just don't know how she fits into the Unless you like, you find a way to like do something where it's with Hector's niece. It's the only thing that makes sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's the only thing I was thinking.
Speaker 2:Yeah, echo.
Speaker 1:Echo, I think is probably a little bit more of a higher probability.
Speaker 2:She shows up and she's like I thought I dealt with this already. I'll shoot him in the head again, I don't care's. Like I thought I dealt with this Right Already. Right, I'll shoot him in the head again, right, I don't care.
Speaker 1:Right, that would be cool. I think Echo comes. Yeah, you just get the original Defenders plus Echo, plus White Tiger.
Speaker 2:I think we retcon Luke Cage a little bit if he's going to show up. Yeah, I think Thecon is him and Iron Fist have been working together.
Speaker 1:If you find a way because I've been preaching this for years that's probably the easiest show to pull off, you do.
Speaker 2:Heroes for Hire. I would love a retcon where like forget the Harlem's Paradise stuff Luke Cage and Iron Fist have been doing Heroes for Hire for who knows? Years, and then they just kind of come in as like a duo. That's like yes, he's bulletproof. Yep, this is what we need. We need a bulletproof superhero we need cherry.
Speaker 1:Cherry has like arthritis, like he's, like he gets winded after like a block, run to chase somebody he was, he should.
Speaker 2:It should have been Brett Mahoney. Yeah, that would have been man, it's alright. It's alright, we'll get over it. I'm trying to think of another. I don't think you could do, kate, at this point.
Speaker 1:No, no, I think Jack Duquesne's probably the stretch of the limit.
Speaker 2:I think Kate is a little like she's risen a little bit above the street level stuff.
Speaker 1:Whatever Iron man told Spider-Man in Infinity War, you're an Avenger now, alright, speaking of the blue and red spandexed elephant in the room Spider-Man no shot, no shot.
Speaker 2:You say Zero, shot, zero shot.
Speaker 1:You say Actually negative shot. I'm leaving the door open Beyond negative shot. I'm leaving the door open Beyond negative shot.
Speaker 2:I'm leaving the door open.
Speaker 1:Beyond a negative shot.
Speaker 2:And the only reason I'm going to leave the door open is because I feel like, if they really wanted it, disney could strong arm Sony into letting it happen. They would never do it. I think they could.
Speaker 1:Never.
Speaker 2:Disney could strong arm it and make it happen.
Speaker 1:I'm adamant they're not going to find a way. No shot, no shot.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't put it past them no shot. And then I don't know, I don't know who else you would possibly conceive. Unless you somehow roped Hawkeye in.
Speaker 1:Which it would be the most difficult piece to do.
Speaker 2:But also logistically. I don't know Jeremy Renner's physical state. Cloak and Dagger.
Speaker 1:I would love that.
Speaker 2:I don't think that's crazy.
Speaker 1:No, no, you find a way to get Cloak and Dagger. And then, because you have Hector's niece, who's going to be White Tiger, cloak and Dagger, miss Marvel. Daredevil, funny enough, was the backdoor to Young Avengers pilot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't think Cloak and Dagger is that crazy, it's just, I guess, my only. It would be hard enough dealing with Luke Cage existing in that environment. But Cloak and and Dyer, who have actual powers, right, like, how does the anti-vigilante task force deal with that Unless, like between season one and two, like Fisk gears them up to dealing with like powered people? You know what I mean? Yes, because Fisk would have the resources to do so, because he's already name dropped Spider-Man to the. So, like Fisk is already aware that, like powered people exist, right, it's not just acrobats and maniacs that he's dealing with. So I think, maybe between season one and two, fisk arms the task force with a proper arsenal, right, and then you can start maybe flirting with the Cloak and Daggers, because then maybe Fisk has weapons that can deal with people with actual powers, right. So I could see that I think cloak and dagger would be a good pull.
Speaker 1:Yep, I wonder if Fisk gets a vigilante on his not a vigilante, but a powered person on his side. I was thinking about that too. Oh yeah, that's interesting. I don't know who would it be, or if you get a new comic comic character in there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I feel like that would be the next evolution, when he would have to get someone like that. Fight fire with fire, because then Bullseye is the wild card. Yes, because we do. In that super cut of people we do see Bullseye in some type of apartment, so it seems like he's settling down and kind of retooling. So I think there's going to be a little bit of working with working against each other, right with him, and daredevil, sure I?
Speaker 2:think there's gonna be an element of that right, where bullseye's gonna be like come on, dude, like let's work together to take down fisk, and daredevil's gonna be like no, no shot, like I'm already kind of like flirting a line with the punisher.
Speaker 1:Right. I kind of like him.
Speaker 2:Yeah you, I can't stand you Right, like that's the line that I'm never going to be willing to cross Right, unless something happens where he has to team up with Wolzak.
Speaker 1:Right, agreed, agreed.
Speaker 2:Great season of TV.
Speaker 1:Yeah, overall, the fact that, yeah, overall, you know, agreed Great season of TV, overall, overall. There were some bumps, but man, my biggest thing is the fact that they salvaged this. Thing Is just beyond me. And you know what? The biggest thing that was able to keep the glue, it's Charlie Cox and Vincent D'Onofrio's performances Were the two pieces that kept the glue. They were the glue pieces.
Speaker 2:And were consistent Even across the old stuff and the new stuff.
Speaker 1:I can argue that was the best Charlie Cox had ever been as Daredevil.
Speaker 2:You might be right. I think you might be right and I think the reason for that is, weirdly enough, even though, like the first three seasons were obviously hyper-focused on him, this first season of Born again was hyper hyper, like there really wasn't a lot of side character b plot stuff, like there wasn't the netflix series. Like the netflix series, had you know, obviously had like ben york storyline kind of like in season one, right. Um, season two had all the hand stuff going on. Season three had the nadim stuff, so like yeah, of course he was the centerpiece of the show, but this was like Matt was in, damn near. It was either Matt or Fisk were in damn near every scene of the show, right, and then again coming off that point, this was the most we've ever seen Fisk.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes.
Speaker 2:In season one he was the specter. Season two, he was in prison.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And then season three we saw a lot of him, but then in this he was a co-star. Yes, they were legit the two co-stars of this show, right? Um, and I think you're right, I think they were able to anchor right both creative processes right, you don't, you don't win without the two of them.
Speaker 2:No, absolutely not. Um, so I'm I'm just all in all like I'm really looking forward to next season when this crew has their full hands on everything. Not to take anything away from the original crew, but they just had a creative vision that was vastly different from what people wanted and, frankly, what, like, we needed out of a Daredevil show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just I don't know why they were so adamant about what they were trying. Maybe they really wanted to space themselves away from the Netflix stuff and get it more MCU-ified. But if something works and you don't need to reinvent the wheel, then why Just start to adapt and just start to evolve? That's it, Moon Knight Tog. Don't get me excited. Don't get me excited to the possibility of Oscar Isaac saying yes to something like that. Would he do it because of the Jesus show or the Jesus movie? Doing a Jesus movie and then a Dead?
Speaker 2:Devil thing, I would say Moon Knight's more likely than Cloak and Dagger.
Speaker 1:Oh, one gazoogle percent, of course, like the Cloak and Dagger's. That's like the negative, like the 10th percent it could be. That's like the negative, like the 10th percent it could be but, the, the moon knight stuff man. The moon is watching, the moon is watching man. What I would give to get moon knight in there with them werewolf by night, I'm kidding man thing no, yo get werewolf by night in secret wars.
Speaker 2:He better be in there I would just like to see the task force respond to moon knight. They'd be like what?
Speaker 1:the yeah. What is this, mayor Fisk? You're never going to believe this man. This guy was attached to the moon. Somehow it gave him powers.
Speaker 2:He was attached to the moon. He threw a freaking moon at me. He threw the moon at me.
Speaker 1:Man, I didn't know what to do. Mr Fisk, please, I need this job. Bring back the Luke Cage goons. Okay, so we're going to go on a rant about Luke Cage for two minutes. Luke Cage many people would have thought, especially after the first six episodes of season one, is like a whatever Guy's cool whatever Show wasn't as great after that. I wholeheartedly disagree after watching him fight, because there's no reason. A Luke Cage fight scene, a Luke Cage show, should have better fight scenes than an Iron Fist show. But it did. Listen, listen. Luke Cage is a problem. He boinks people on the head and they just fall. They go unconscious.
Speaker 1:He owes the city $3.7 billion in property damage. He catches grenades and just eats them. Why was he not the first call Karen? That's the first guy you call. That is the first guy you call. You call Luke Cage. I need this handled.
Speaker 2:Put some of those goons on the task force Dog.
Speaker 1:Wait, you're Luke Cage. Ugh Snap, you're Luke Cage. Ugh Snap, you're Luke Cage. I didn't mean that. Shout out that guy. All the guns that would be bent from the task force, the gun budget would have to be tripled for the amount of guns that he's bending. Yeah, you gotta call Luke Cage. You just call Luke Cage. I'm Luke Cage, I'm Luke.
Speaker 2:Cage, damn, get him in there. Just call Luke Cage. I need these defenders on my screen expeditiously. I'm sorry, I just do Call Luke Cage. I don't want to be that guy, but I think it would be just super cool to see them all again, even Iron Fist, I think, in the right hands. I think it could be cool. I think Finn Jones can act.
Speaker 1:I think it would be cool. He has one last and he said it. He was just on the thing and he said, like I understand Well, I forget what con he was at, but he's just like I understand. I get it, but like I just want one more shot, I think they should give him said shot, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Like I think I've got to imagine that's where this season two is going.
Speaker 1:He's going to get the defenders back together?
Speaker 2:Yep, because look man, we did the bit with the Dragon Bones. It was kind of weird. This is Morak speed. We're saving the city and you know he can recruit them out of like. Maybe all the defenders are down on their luck, Maybe not. Jessica Jones is almost certainly down on her luck.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, that's kind of where perpetually she stays at.
Speaker 2:Like Daredevil gets into a bar and there's Jessica Jones, just unconscious, right. All right, get up. You have a higher calling, jess, and she's going to tell him to screw off and then she'll show up. Yep, and then she'll be there.
Speaker 1:Much like the Punisher question mark. He was down there. They would get along the best out of everybody that would be great.
Speaker 2:I would love to see the defenders mix it up with the Punisher, because he was kind of by himself you ain't Maurice, you the Punisher.
Speaker 1:That guy is incredible that's my favorite part.
Speaker 2:Colt was like Frank Castle's here. Well see ya see ya officer we're all dead. We're all dead. Officer North, do you need backup? Frank Castle's here, so I'm hearing, is you don't?
Speaker 1:need backup?
Speaker 2:no, I do he said he doesn't need backup Guys. Yeah, we're good. What did he say? He said Frank Castle's there.
Speaker 1:He said alright, guys, I think we should all take lunch.
Speaker 2:Let's all go back to Red Hook fellas. We will not be dealing with that, you guys want to hit Subway on the way back?
Speaker 1:Guys, this is not for us.
Speaker 2:No, thanks. I'd rather be conked on the head by Luke Cage than be murdered by the Punisher. Thanks, yeah. Any final thoughts?
Speaker 1:I'm looking forward to the season 2. I love the year in, year out thing. Man, this is television we're less than a year away from the next season do more of this with more main characters, not like your C and D list. Give us more B and A list characters that just have television shows. I'm trying to think of who else? A Heroes for Hire show? That's a 10.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think they really have an opportunity to do stuff like this. Mm-hmm. I just saw a tweet that says what does Mayor Fisk plan to address the void taking over his city? Great point, Great point.
Speaker 1:Where is Mayor Fisk during the Sentry crisis, nowhere to be found, just like Commissioner.
Speaker 2:Powell, I mean in Fisk's defense. He would be like well, the Sentry's not a vigilante, he doesn't wear a mask.
Speaker 1:No, that's the government taking oversight. The government maybe want to register. The government ought to register these beings and Ross is somewhere. We tried that. They threw me in prison. They threw me in prison. You think Fisk is going to address that. The president turned into a Red Hulk. No Missed opportunity.
Speaker 2:Man. What if Luke Cage runs against Fisk for the next mayoral election?
Speaker 1:Oh, I was actually thinking about that. I'm not even joking Legitimately. I was thinking about that you get the guy from Harlem to run and you get the guy from Harlem that got the whole. It's funny, we were just watching those clips before we hopped on. He was the heart and soul of Harlem. To get that to run against Fisk would be something.
Speaker 2:Someone that can't be intimidated.
Speaker 1:No something, someone that can't be intimidated. No, physically too, you get in. Fifth, it should be the other way around.
Speaker 2:Fish should be like oh boy, it's just throwing goons across the room.
Speaker 1:Um, that'd be cool this is gonna hate when the fantastic four show up in new york.
Speaker 2:Yeah what about the?
Speaker 1:spider guy from youtube and he was name dropped. Right spider-man was name dropped this season yeah, it was.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yep, spider-man was name dropped. Um, that was it. That was the only name. Well, miss barbara was obviously name dropped and her funko pop was shown um I mean miss marvel could show up. I just, it's kamala just.
Speaker 1:Give me, like a B-plot, kamala and White Tiger little.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't need Kamala existing in the same world where people are getting their heads ripped off.
Speaker 1:No, no, I need like a Batman-esque Superman type of like a Not Batman v Superman, a Batman and Superman, like one's like, Like what's going on in Brooklyn? Maybe yeah like one's like a lighter half and it's Kamal, and the other one's White Tiger and they're just like. I can't stand you. Well, I just want to help. Yeah, kamal is busy. She's putting together the Young Avengers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think she might also be like in, like the Kate Bishop.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:She might be a little bit above.
Speaker 1:Also, why is Amman Villani not been in anything for three years?
Speaker 2:Her and Simu Liu can have an actors-on-actors conversation about that. No, what am I saying?
Speaker 1:When did the Marvels come out? 2024? Yeah, never mind, just kidding, just kidding, just kidding.
Speaker 2:Anthony.
Speaker 1:Mackie unfortunately had to go through that.
Speaker 2:She didn't get blackballed, like Simu Liu did. Yeah, I just don't know what he did to anybody on planet Earth. That's Daredevil Born Again. It was a real fun time. Not for Gallo, no, just keep your mouth shut.
Speaker 1:Yeah, pro was yapping about his master plan to take down Fisk To Fisk To.
Speaker 2:Fisk To his face.
Speaker 1:He said it I'm going to take you down and then I'm going to go be the commissioner of Gotham City. You see, this stash, this doesn't grow on trees. I'm Commissioner Gallo, you should dab.
Speaker 2:You're working with this guy, Jim.
Speaker 1:That's what he reminded me of. You're protecting this guy, jim. That's what he reminded me of. That's my favorite character from the Batman movie, the one. What was he? He seems like a deputy or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You're protecting this guy, jim. I got you on assaulting an officer, now you got me on assaulting three. Yo listen, robert Pattinson was him as Batman. Get out of here, freak, before that suit gets all full of blood, mine or yours. Wait a minute, wait a second, wait a minute.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's it, we're done here.
Speaker 1:Guess what we're doing next week. We're talking about Sinners next week. Yeah, we finally get to do Cinema again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what's the last Cinema thing that we did? Venom.
Speaker 1:Nope, not even close. What is the last Cinema thing we did, morbius? Nope, nope. What's the last Cinema thing we did Hold?
Speaker 2:on. I forget what. The last Cinema thing we did Movie-wise I don't know, TV-wise it was definitely Shogun, it might have been.
Speaker 1:It couldn't have been Oppenheimer. That was in July.
Speaker 2:We didn't even do Oppenheimer because it was a strike.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's right. We still have to review Oppenheimer at some point. Hang on, it's going to punish you.
Speaker 2:We're talking a movie, right? Yes Jesus, it's been a while. The Fall Guy. Technically, I guess that's cinema.
Speaker 1:I think it's the last one which was last June.
Speaker 2:Wow, all right, this is good then. Yeah, so we'll do Sinners next week for sure, probably a little bit of Thunderbolts, preview-y talk.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And then by then, so we'll do Sinners next week, thunderbolts will be the week after, and the week after that we would do Andor. Andor would be over by then.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it would, man, I can't wait to see the rest of Andor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so Sinners. Next week the Ryan Coogler directed, critically acclaimed horror film.
Speaker 1:Is it an all-time? That's what the streets are saying. I haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 2:I'm going to see it, hopefully this week. I'll see it. You've seen it, no?
Speaker 1:I actually didn't see it, so we will be, we will.
Speaker 2:So I'll try and see it this week. It will be seen, and then we will. I'll try and see it this week. It will be seen. We'll review that next week with a little Thunderbolt spice. I can't wait for.
Speaker 1:Thunderbolt Can't wait, I'm not going to spoil myself. I won't do it. I heard the phrase this is the greatest post-credit scene in history. I'm holding strong. The information is out there. I'm mad we didn't get that pre-screening. I tried I know, I tried, it's all right. It's all right Next time, next time baby, next time baby. I didn't think we were going to end with it.
Speaker 2:Terrence Howard. A war machine shows up.
Speaker 1:The Punisher's like what is that? What is?
Speaker 2:that? Is that a black Iron man costume? Is that an Iron man suit with heaps of guns on it?
Speaker 1:what is?
Speaker 2:that Castle Oaks and the War Machine Armored does like the Hulk from Infinity War, from Endgame he's like. It's like I was made for this who gave the Punisher the War Machine Armored?
Speaker 1:he would deal with Doom. He would Doom would be dealt with. If you saw the new Daredevil comics or no, the end of the Zdarsky run. Like Daredevil and like the Punisher were like both mystically imbued and like were having like these, like titan like this, absolutely grand battles against each other on like dragons. That sounds amazing. Listen, man.
Speaker 2:That sounds unhinged. It was unhinged, but it sounds amazing. I don't think the Punisher needs to be mystical, imbued with anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, the biggest mistake they did was give him the War Machine armor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, no. We can't do anything else like that. We can't do that ever again. Giving him one gun is already too much.
Speaker 1:It's too many. They should give him the Iron Fist guns. I just thought of another character to add into the Star Wars universe, specifically into that Starfighter movie Keanu Reeves. Oh yeah, that'd be cool. It's like the stoic Jedi, oh bring.
Speaker 1:Colleen back for Daredevil Sure sure she's a better Iron Fist. Danny Rand, you have to prove to me that you're the better Iron Fist. Don't start. Don't do this. Davros was a better Iron Fist. You have to prove to me, danny, that you're a better Iron Fist. Luke Cage would be a better Iron Fist. Technically. Luke Cage would be an incredible Iron Fist. He would be. Misty Knight would have to come back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1:You have Dawson back, but actually make her Night Nurse.
Speaker 2:Instead of just making her Rosario Dawson. Yeah, that'd be cool. Alright, let's get out of here. Follow us on Twitter at ProjectAnnaFunderscorePod. You can follow us on Facebook. You can follow us on Instagram At the Project Infinite Pod. You can follow us on YouTube and TikTok at Project Infinite Podcast. On those platforms, Next week we're going to talk about Sinners From me, from the Daredevil.
Speaker 1:Daredevil born again. Don't call me Cherry, Don't even think about it.
Speaker 2:No, no, that one's too sad, damn. Every guy in this show sucks, except for Daredevil. Why am I struggling so hard with this? From that one Irish bank robber in the podcast?
Speaker 1:I don't like you, solicitor. I don't like you, solicitor, I don't like you. That was pretty.
Speaker 2:I don't like you, solicitor.
Speaker 1:I don't like you.
Speaker 2:That was pretty good. That was a pretty good Irish accent.
Speaker 1:I'm one-sixteenth Irish. That's a real fact. Nice, yeah, that wasn't bad. I like that. I am Banshees of Endoshiran. You used to be nice, or were you never nice?
Speaker 2:I don't like you, so I said I how did Colin Farrell balance that?
Speaker 1:and then, hey, vic, vic, we're gonna take this city, vic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't remember that guy's name, but he was. I enjoyed him in that episode 5.
Speaker 1:It was goon number one.
Speaker 2:He was great. No, he was a little more than a goon Goon Leader number one, st Paddy's Day Goon Leader number one.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you, man, he should be the new Turk, but actually a little bit like That'd be great. I'm telling you, every season his technology gets a little better Until he gets like Stark Tech in the last one. I would love that. And then Ironheart has to show up. I would, yeah. He just gets a little better each time at bank. Robbie banks. More of that guy, please he gets one episode every season.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that'd be great, it'd be tremendous. And somehow him and matt just keep running into each other at the bank oh no.
Speaker 1:And he finds out matt's daredevil one to like in season five. You're not the dad, or?
Speaker 2:funny enough, he keeps going into banks where they're just random defenders. Oh my god, the luke cage one would be the most unfair one no, the Luke Cage one would be the most unfair one.
Speaker 1:No, the Luke Cage one would be the most unfair. But that's when he should have the best technology, Like he should just have Stark tech ready to go.
Speaker 2:Every time he robs a bank, there's a random defender in the bank. Or just a random.
Speaker 1:MCU character in the bank, but the Punisher can't be there. No, no, no, no. They'd be pretty good. Sam would be fun. Danny Ramirez is Falcon. Yeah, joaquin would be funny.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I'm trying to think of people that would be good in their civilian. Nick Fury funny enough would be hilarious.
Speaker 1:in there he must be out of your mind.
Speaker 2:Blade. That's the first appearance of Blade. This is in the bank being robbed.
Speaker 1:Korg hey, hey, no, korg's been blacklisted he has been Tiger Wittini's never touching Marvel ever again.
Speaker 2:Gore the God Butcher.
Speaker 1:Gore the God Butcher. Yo Just kidding Gore the God Butcher as like a US American civilian would be the funniest thing. Oh man, Incredible Luke Cage would be pretty good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right guys, we'll see you next week. We're going to review Sinners. That should be a real fun time, yeah it should we both love Ryan Coogler on this podcast. Yeah, we do, so I'm excited to talk about that movie. You're talking about the film sizes and the different, and people are into it like people who aren't even into film are like watch that interview and they're like yeah, man wait, is Phil?
Speaker 1:they were like, is Phil making cool?
