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155 - Superman (2025) Soars: Review and Final Thoughts
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It’s simple: We saw James Gunn’s Superman. We are here to review one of the most momentous comic book movie releases in recent memory. Before that we talk a little Fantastic Four & discuss the Ghost of Yotei State of Play. We will note in the timecodes when we go into full spoilers for Superman in case you want to bow out before then! Thank you to everyone who continues to support and don’t forget to subscribe to download new episodes as they become available and don’t be afraid to share a rating!
Superman has landed, and with him comes the dawn of a bold new era for DC. James Gunn's vision for the Man of Steel isn't just a fresh take. It's a triumphant return to what makes Superman an enduring cultural icon: unwavering goodness in a world that desperately needs it.
David Corenswet embodies Superman with a natural charm and earnestness that feels both timeless and refreshingly modern. His ability to switch between the confident, sky-soaring hero and the thoughtful, somewhat awkward Clark Kent reveals a performer who deeply understands the dual nature at Superman's core. In this film, we see a Superman who's still figuring out his place in the world, balancing who he thinks he should be with who he wants to be.
Nicholas Hoult delivers a Lex Luthor for the ages with the ability to be genuinely menacing without veering into caricature. His ideological clash with Superman forms the beating heart of the film's conflict, offering moments that feel pulled straight from the comics while resonating with contemporary themes. The supporting cast shines just as brightly, particularly Rachel Brosnahan's Lois Lane and Edi Gathegi's scene-stealing Mr. Terrific, who emerges as the surprise standout of the film.
Been disappointed by previous Superman films? This one will make you believe a man can fly again. Watch it on the biggest screen possible and remember why we fell in love with superhero stories in the first place.
0:00 Intro
02:51 Ghost of Yotei State of Play Showcase
10:22 Fantastic Four Promotion Ramping Up
14:22 Superman (2025) NON-SPOILER Thoughts & Review
38:49 Superman (2025) FULL SPOILER THOUGHTS
01:24:16 DC Studios Future Speculation (Still Contains Spoilers)
01:30:00 Final Thoughts on Superman (Still Spoilery)
01:55:26 Ironheart Episodes 4-6 Thoughts
02:05:16 Signing Off!
Topic for Next Week: The Fantastic Four in Film (First Steps Preview)
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Speaker 2:Hello everybody, and welcome to another episode of the Project Infinite Podcast, the podcast covering the infinite and ever-expanding multiverse of fandom, from movies, comics, tv shows, video games. We got you covered. You'd think, after 155 of these, I'd have this intro nailed down. No, but nope. Nope Gets me every time.
Speaker 1:No, that's what keeps us fresh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, new, fresh and new. I'm Rob. I'm here, as always, with Court and Court. We saw Superman, we Court. We saw Superman, we did.
Speaker 1:We saw a man fly. Yeah, we did see a man fly. We did look up. I did most definitely look up because I was in the first seat in the theater. I'm kidding, but yes, we saw Superman, james Gunn's Superman, the newest iteration, starring David Corden, sweat, rachel Brosnahan, nicholas Holt and others. And I mean just up top, what a picture. What a picture I mean this is. You know, after one watch, this is probably in my top five to 10 favorite comic book movies of all time. I really felt a way leaving this theater and obviously you know if you can backtrace all this good stuff I've said about it like it's tough for people to be like, well, you're just on recency bias, but you know, you, you know a good thing when you see it and, for all intents and purposes, I saw it. I don't know why this keeps sticking in my head. There was one frame where obviously no spoilers yet, but David or Superman, he's raising up. It's a trailer shot, but in the movie inserted I was like, oh, wow, that's actually Superman.
Speaker 1:Like that is actually Superman who saves the cat out of the tree, who has the trunks on the outside so kids feel safe, like that's actually Superman. So you know, in terms of performance, it's incredible. In terms of the look, it's pretty solid. In terms of direction it's great and you know, talking overall direction for the DCU what a start Like this is the dream start that they ever could have asked for. I do think this movie's on track to probably make a billion dollars and you know, this is it. This is the new DCU and I couldn't be happier with this start.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a great start, I think, for all involved. Obviously, we're going to probably do a pretty lengthy non-spoiler section, because obviously the movie's not even out yet, or will be by the time this episode comes out. It'll be like opening weekend, basically. We saw it on Tuesday and then we'll pretty heavily cut in to let you know when the spoilers are coming. That way you can listen to the non-spoiler stuff and then see the movie for yourself and then come back. Or, if you don't care about getting spoiled, obviously you can stick around. Um, so we'll do that.
Speaker 2:Um, but first I guess we don't really have any news, but I did want to touch upon the ghost of yotei state of play. Sure that sony showed off um earlier today and man um. This game appears to be what you know we you've heard us say this before about anything, whether it's a game, whether it's a movie, whether it's a TV show, any type of follow-up or sequel, you always want to build upon what came before and just expand it and make it better. And by all intents and purposes, that's what this game looks like it's doing, just putting, you know, a new spin on familiar ground. We all know the backstory that this is going to take place some 400 years after the original ghost of tsushima, so obviously it has no ties to jin sakai or his story or anything like that. It's a totally new protagonist, atsu, and she is being described as not so much a samurai, not so so much a ninja, just a kind of lone wolf, mercenary, hell-bent on revenge, and I think that is an awesome backdrop for a samurai story.
Speaker 1:If the fox in the first game was, like you know, the stand-in for Jin and kind of the way the fox, the mentality of the fox, it's the mentality of the wolf, more specifically, the lone wolf is kind of Atsu's story for this game and I just we obviously just watched the state of play like 30 minutes ago. It was absolutely an incredible showcase. I mean just the adjustments. I love when second games really listen. I think Jedi Survivor did that one of the best in like has a memory of really listening to the fan base, what we want, what we you know what's needed to kind of propel the game into the next chapter, and I think they're doing a phenomenal job. I mean the look of the game. If the first game was breathtaking, this second game just looks astonishing. It's an absolutely astonishing look.
Speaker 1:Story-wise, this is a very interesting story. What do they call themselves? The Yotei Six, the Yotei Six, the Sinister Six or somewhere? They just told my whole flow. But yeah, this game looks phenomenal. The story looks like this is going to be fun. The different understandings of combat are just revolutionized over the first game and that's saying something that is saying a lot. So it looks like a lot of time has been put into this game. I can't wait to check this out. I'm itching to check this out. It comes right out around my birthday.
Speaker 2:October 2nd. Just based on look, it feels like this is going to be the challenger that Expedition 33 faces for Game of the Year.
Speaker 1:This might take it.
Speaker 2:It might. Expedition 33 is special, but this game is going to be something else. They revolutionized the combat system where now it's not stance-based, it's weapons-based. So you switch between a spear, a katana, dual-wielding swords or a long odachi long sword, basically, and that's your stance mechanic for the first game. Certain weapons are more effective against different enemies.
Speaker 2:She's got a bunch of other stuff and then just cinematically. So they once again teamed up not teamed up with, but they got the blessing of the estate of Akira Kurosawa to bring back Kurosawa Mode, which is black and white, japanese, no subtitles, all that stuff. They've also teamed up with other Japanese directors to kind of incorporate their styles into the camera work of the game, the music of the game, and I just think that's super cool. And obviously, like you said, the game looks beautiful. I mean, the first Ghost kind of pushed the PlayStation 4 to its limits, so much so that when the PlayStation 5 version came out it ran so seamlessly because that felt like a game that was supposed to be on the PlayStation 5, and this game feels like it's going to do much of the same for the PlayStation 5, kind of push it to its limits. There's a seamless transition system where you can voluntarily visit Atsu's past.
Speaker 1:I'm very curious to know how thematically and how narratively they're going to weave that.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm really looking forward to yeah, because how much could you do as a child version of the character? That's the point.
Speaker 1:I wonder if she's going to learn certain abilities through her childhood as well too, the same way that Jin did. I wouldn't be surprised at that.
Speaker 2:I've never seen a game do something like that before, where you can just freely visit the past or another timeline or something like that, just on a whim, almost like a fast travel. You press a button and boom, boom, you're in the past travel. Yeah, the, the, the. They've kind of revolutionized the travel system where you know you have your map, um, you can visit cartographers who kind of give you landmarks to go to, or you can literally like pull out a spyglass and look at a landmark and mark it and then you just it takes you like the pin drops, yeah, and you just and mark it, and then you just it takes you Like the pin drops, yeah, and you just go Like it turns cinematic and you just yeah, Insane.
Speaker 2:You know the kind of system of traditional open world games where you have to go town to town and visit the merchants. They've seemingly streamlined that with this Wolfpack system.
Speaker 1:I'm a fan of that. I'm a fan of that. I'm a fan of that. They come to you instead of you going to them.
Speaker 2:Where you can open up a menu that shows you everyone you've met that has, whether they have certain gear to sell or certain techniques to send or teach you. You can freely set up a campsite and those characters will come visit your campsite.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like you build a wolf pack. Yeah, that's the technical term of the game for it.
Speaker 2:And they can sell you stuff if they're a merchant, or they can teach you stuff or give you side quests. I think that's really cool. As someone that is quickly aging himself out of pure open world games, I kind of like a little more on the rails, kind of guiding me to places. So I think they keep that open world mechanic. They have a bunch of other stuff that you can do. There's a bounty system in this game that I think is really cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, um, keeps it it keeps you on your toes, much like red dead redemption. Yeah, I was gonna say it's like red dead.
Speaker 2:Yeah, kind of like red dead in the sense that, like atu and this was you know, they kind of mentioned it in the in the trailer, that the world will react to her as she starts gaining notoriety and that was like one of my things.
Speaker 2:That goes to like I never really felt that outside of like the main missions with jinn right, where, like it didn't feel like the, the living world, was reacting to his kind of becoming the ghost right, whereas this feels like that's course, correcting that right, and I think it's really cool. And then obviously, like you get bounties put on you that people can exploit and then you can also do bounty hunts right that look like kind of like um, like in the first game they have, like those cinematic missions where, like um, they weren't bounties I forget, they were what they were called like those special duels and stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, like the ones you stumble upon. There was one in the first game that I always think about. It was like in those purple flowers. Is it the one with the lightning storm? It might have been.
Speaker 2:It might have been, because I always remember the one with the light, where you fight the guy with the. Oh it's so you can learn like the legendary techniques. Yes, yes, yes. And you fight the one guy in the rainstorm and he ends up getting struck by lightning. At the end, you fight him at night time in a rainstorm. That one always sticks with me. I'm super looking forward to this game. Feels like Ghost of Tsushima came out in 2020. Feels like so long ago. I mean it is.
Speaker 1:I guess it is five years ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, ghost of Tsushima was part of that kind of legendary 2020 gaming run, but you know, five years is not bad development time, I don't think. And they just look like they've taken everything from the first game and just enhanced it. So very, very much looking forward to that Me too and then that's pretty much it as far as we got news. I mean, the fantastic four kind of upswing is in full effect yeah, the london premiere is going on clips coming left to right center.
Speaker 1:They're on the fast track and I think, marketing wise, you know, going against superman, which we'll talk about it like I hate to say it, like going against, but you know, at the end of the day, it's disney versus warner brothers, like you, one business is trying to outdo the other business. Maybe try to utilize each other the Barbenheimer way, but at the end of the day, they're really trying to ramp up this marketing. I mean, you know, I think what's really driving this marketing campaign is that cast. I mean there's a reason why Pedro Pascal was Reed Richards. Like we talked about it. I mean you made the best point about it when he was cast.
Speaker 1:We were like we might have had questions about the casting as well too, because the traditional Reed Richards look at the time which still he looks like Reed Richards to me. He really does, especially older Reed Richards, which is good. But I think it was more like wait, do you just go get the best actor available in the world? And they just did. They just got the best. It just everything worked out the way it was supposed to and you know they're really utilizing him as the front man, and then this team's ensemble as well too. Um, they look so cohesive together, like they actually feel like the family. I just because, um, obviously, um, I forget the actor's name that passed away, that played dr doom in the original fantastic four. Oh, julian mcmahon yeah julian mcmahon.
Speaker 1:Um, I just watched those movies because obviously I was. I was sad that he passed away so I watched. I watched that, um, fantastic four and fantastic four rides to the silver surfer. And you know I'm looking at the family dynamic. I love joan griffin. I had like such a nostalgia for joan griffin as Reed Richards. But you know this film specifically, that family, like an actual family like this, is my end all be all, no matter what, like it felt very of its time those two movies. But this feels like that family aspect is driving hard and I think Shackman understands that. I think Shackman's one of the best drama in the comic book realm. He's one of the best drama directors in there as well too. So I'm really excited to see what this is going to look like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, me too. I mean, like I said, it's ramping up. Anything you hear from the cast they seem to get it. I mean the one quote from Pedro Pascal this past, last couple days I thought, was if there was any doubts that he understood the character he says doubts that he understood the character. He says, um, talking about sue storm, that sue storm is really the leader and it's a coexistence, and without her and without the team he is nothing and he would be devoured by his own brain and I'm like, there it is.
Speaker 1:The maker, is the, is the and it's the tell of that the maker from the ultimate universe. That's what he would turn into yeah, so I'm I.
Speaker 2:it sounds like everyone, everyone's on board. I think everyone understands the assignment and I'm really looking forward to it. And then, yeah to your point. Yes, julian McMahon did pass away at the age of 56 due to a private battle with cancer, obviously most notable for his role as Dr Doom in the early Fantastic Four movies, and we know him as well as one of the main villains on the Runaways. Yeah, yeah, which.
Speaker 1:I thought he was really great, yeah, and I mean you talk about the nostalgia pieces, like it's funny, like looking back, like obviously it's so sad that he passed away. He was such like this figure in my childhood, like I mean he's one of the big villainous characters of my childhood. He just was as Doctor Doom. So it of my childhood he just was as dr doom, so it's just it's so sad that he passed away. And so young I mean he was 36 when he was playing dr doom, he was 36 and 38 when he played dr doom in those films. So, um, he's gone way too soon. It's so sad, um that that one really got me, that one actually really got me. Like it just was like it just came out of left field and it was super sad and he was still working.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was working. Yep, um, he was. He was in the show the Residence, which is currently out, and yeah, he was still working, still acting. So, yeah, that news came out of left field. Yeah, super unfortunate. But just moving on to Superman now, that's all we really got. So, yeah, superman has now. That's all we really got. So, yeah, superman has released.
Speaker 2:It's out as of you know got some Thursday screenings when we're recording this, so the weekend is here, so obviously we don't have any box office numbers for you, but it's tracking to do very, very well, based on kind of like the screenings that like you and I saw um and then critically reception um being reviewed incredibly well by by fans on 96 on rotten tomatoes, 83 among critics, which for a superhero movie is to be expected. I think um to be in like that kind of low, you know, high 70s, low 80s, unless you have a genre breaking film like the dark knight, obviously um, something like that would obviously catch the eyes of movie critics like um. So I think 83 is perfectly fine for this movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, how many movies are in the high, like in the mid to high 70s, like early 80s, that you know minnie harold does like critically acclaimed films? Yeah, so I don't really go, I don't really to put too, too too much stake um the audience, audience score. I like to put a little bit more stake into because that's the general, that's like when you like the whole adage, like you give your film away. That's you giving your film away is truthfully the reflection of the audience.
Speaker 2:Unless it's being review bombed. Yeah, correct.
Speaker 1:Like Ironheart was.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Weirdos Anyway.
Speaker 2:We'll probably cap our Ironheart thoughts at the end of this too. We did the first three last week We'll do the last three this week.
Speaker 1:We need to talk about Ironheart. We need to talk about the thing.
Speaker 2:Just for reference, I guess, of other things, it shares the same Rotten Tomatoes score, critically, as F1. It's right around the Thunderbolts. Thunderbolts had an 88%. Obviously it's right around the thunderbolts. Thunderbolts had an 88. Obviously it's not touching like sinners, but no again, sinners is special. Sinners is probably the best film of this year. Yeah, um, slightly above mission impossible. Um, so that's, that's, that's what you're talking critically, how the critics view this movie. Um, but you didn't come here to think to, to, to find out what the critics thought. You came here to find out what we thought of it. Right, right, and yeah, I mean, I guess we could just start, you know, non-spoiler-wise, just to your point about David Coinsworth earlier, like he just yeah let's focus.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's focus on him. Yeah, there was a point I made in that you know, obviously for him it's going to be the Christopher Reeves comparison and I made the point that I think it's beyond that. I think it's not the fact that he is, you know, christopher Reeve reincarnated, I think it's more important that he it's. Now that it's David Cornswet. I think him of itself, or it's just he was phenomenal as Superman Like, and you get it immediately how great he is as superman and how great he is as clark kent. I mean, let's focus on kind of the the scene, uh, at the beginning of the official trailer, where him and lois are kind of in the apartment, um, doing the interview back and forth. I mean, his refusal to curse is like his little, you know his little mannerisms, like his swap in between Superman and Clark Kent in real time. It's something to be. I've never seen anything like that. It's something I've never seen.
Speaker 2:Henry Cavill do Not for lack of his own.
Speaker 1:That's just not the way that character was written in man of Steel, but it's the flip, that he can turn on and off. I think it's quite incredible. His stature and his build is very broad and grand. He's just like he encompasses everything that is Superman and that is Clark Kent.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and what I liked about his portrayal of Superman especially is this is certainly not an origin story, but you can tell just the way he talks, the way he acts. He's still finding out who superman is. Um, he's trying to figure out who he wants superman to be and who he thinks superman should be, and those are two at least early on in the movie. Those are two different things which I think a lot of people might miss. I think people, people are misinterpreting it, because I saw a lot of like people being concerned online. They're like oh the superman, he looks, he seems kind of arrogant and I'm like it's not arrogance, it's he's, he's trying to find his confidence he's trying to find his confidence and he's trying to he.
Speaker 2:He has these other superheroes that are in this world that he looks at and he's like, do I need to be more like them? Like he's still trying to find his place, like he's still trying to find his voice as a hero and I think it's important in the early parts of the movies.
Speaker 1:They kind of address like the social media aspects, like this is a real world 2025, superman and in that interview clip that you talked about.
Speaker 2:Like he says eric lois kind of teases him on, like oh, you're referring to yourself in the third person now, and he's like, yeah, it's like, it's just something I'm trying out, like it's. It's kind of stupid, isn't it? Like you know what I mean. Like so he's still, he's still. I think it's again. I think it's a pretty understated theme in the movie that maybe a lot of people might miss. He's still trying to find himself and he's still trying to figure out what he wants to be and what he thinks he should be, and those start out as two different things. And then by the end of the movie because I think a lot of the complaints I've seen about this movie too is it doesn't feel like he goes on much of an arc.
Speaker 1:I disagree with the fact that he didn't go on an arc, but I think he does.
Speaker 2:I think by the end, like I said, to that point, like I think the you know he finds that who he thinks he should be and who he wants to be may start as different by the time he gets the end of the movie. I think they're one in the same, Like I think he finds it by the end of the movie and that's it's an origin story, but it's not at the same time, Like it's an origin almost for the idea of superman, right more than the actual person, which I think is pretty neat no, it's well done.
Speaker 1:I think it goes to james gunn's character work and the nuance because people want this overbearing like I started as a bad person that did bad things but now I'm a good person. No, he was always a good person. The art came out what out of self-contention of my self-purpose and my self-worth. A little bit I really was. He was probably questioning his worth to the world and you know his unwavering need to help people. Is this important? Like I need to make sure this is a priority. They talk about it.
Speaker 1:That's the true pop. Like the true, you know punk rock of it is like I'm a good person to be a good person. I'm not moving on this. I refuse to move. The world might move, but I will. I think his contention is he needed to grow up a little bit. I think he was a bit childish in the way that you know. He thought that you know, to lois's point, like you can enter any place, but like to his contention point, like people were gonna die, like I don't, I don't care, I do not care and I think it needed to be an internal piece about.
Speaker 2:You know, obviously we have to talk about the, the origin story itself, because there's a massive change, massive change in the origin story yeah, um, and then to that point too, like to him needing to grow up a little bit like it's like sometimes and this is a lesson that I think he learns throughout the movie and that we also need to learn in real life is like sometimes being a good person isn't a good enough reason to do certain things right. Um, and that's kind of what I think what lois was trying to drive into his head that, like, your intentions might be in the right place, but you gotta also consider the, the irreparable harm you might be doing, because you know I don't want to step on the ending too much, but what happens when he's not there to do the right thing you know, like he can't just be, he can't be everywhere at once, and that's, you know, it's a classic kind of superman.
Speaker 2:It's. It's a classic superman conundrum, to put the character in is you have these two kind of crises happening at the same time and he can't be both places at once. So then what happens, right? Um, and that's where I think we're going to talk about, you know, the, the justice gang in a little bit, I guess, probably in the more spoiler-filled section, but it's where you, that's where you see his imprint of doing the right thing coming from, not just from him, right, like the, the kind of mark he's left on people right is exemplified and embodied through that group right by the end of the movie, which I think, again, was really, really cool, right? I?
Speaker 1:think he's so special in the way that he carries himself. I think he carries himself with such this irrefutable good, and not just him. It appears that David Cornsweth, to all intents and purposes as well, too. I think that's super impressive. It was just the way that he moved in between the scenes. You can really see that that's a trained actor as well, too. The way he moves in between the scenes, the way that he interacts Everybody bounces off of him quite well as well, too. My favorite character that he had interactions with was Mr Terrific as well too, which we have to talk about Eddie Gathegi as Mr Terrific, because he was phenomenal as Mr Terrific. I mean, I'm just going to spoil the heat check performance of this film. It's Mr Terrific.
Speaker 1:I would agree so good he was so good yeah, he's a scene stealer classic scene stealer um in this movie so, um, I mean looking elsewhere, rachel brosnahan as lois lane, I mean just phenomenal casting. My favorite piece about her is obviously lois lane. You know canon wise is very. You know it's not just about her being after the story, she's after the truth and like she's truthfully the truth, justice and better tomorrow. Whatever way you want to say it, she is the truth piece. Like she's the truth for the betterment of mankind. She's not the truth for. You know I love there's a.
Speaker 1:There's a bit in the movie where like a major crisis is happening but they're having like a board meeting how to you know how to break this story to make sure you having like a board meeting yeah, how to you know how to break this story to make sure you know everybody knows the truth like I never felt more lois lane than I did in that moment yeah, yeah, I mean I, I said it to you when we left.
Speaker 2:My lone complaint about her is I wish there was more of her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, this movie probably could have been 20 minutes longer yeah, I think it really could. I think, you know, because I'm we're not naive. Two-hour run times give you more plays in a movie theater, which makes you more money year over, like in the long run. Sure, but man I would have killed for 20 more minutes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. And I think you could have all backfilled that with Lois Lane stuff. I think she's great, I think more.
Speaker 1:Clark Kent in the Daily Planet stuff. I wanted to see more of like of the full Daily Planet crew together. I feel, like they cut some of that as well, too. Probably, I think they definitely filmed more of the Daily Planet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because they have some pretty notable actors playing these Daily Planet people.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's the last we're seeing of them, and I don't think it's just in a Superman movie either.
Speaker 2:It would make total sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it would make total sense.
Speaker 2:I sense, yeah, it would make total sense, I wouldn't even go as far as to say what if we got a, a?
Speaker 1:daily planet show like a newsroom type. Yeah, that'd be kind of cool. You can get rachel brosnahan to be in the delete, because obviously she would be the one that leaves the show and then you could just say clark's on assignment, that's why he's not in the show. But I would love a daily plan that'd be fun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'd really enjoy that cool um and then and then I mean, yeah, she's great, I love you. Know she's not. She's in love with him, but she's not enamored by him, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1:I think that's an incredible point. She doesn't. She's not head over heels for him. I think she loves him and, you know, much to her chagrin. Probably she loves his goodness, and I don't think she's willing to admit it yet. She does love his goodness and I think she realizes that's. The reason why she loves him is because he is unwaveringly good. He refuses to be bad.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she. It's a lot of what I admired about Elizabeth Tulloch's portrayal of Lois Lane too.
Speaker 1:She challenges him.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, challenges him directly.
Speaker 1:She knows, he's the strongest being on the planet. She doesn't care, breaks him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in that interview sequence, like she really dissects him and kind of, really kind of gets him to rethink his worldview, to be honest, and she doesn't do it out of a place of you know anger or like to be mean. She's trying to. He's still kind of a kid. You know anger or like to be mean, she's trying to. He's still kind of a kid and you know, in a lot of ways so she's trying to get him to see like hey, man, you kind of you have a tremendous ideology, but you got to see how the world works, because the world is not a nice place.
Speaker 1:No, and that is embodied, I think, in lex luther before we get there to his point, though, that's his whole understanding. That's why, like that's the punk rock of it, like he's, he's basically telling her like I still don't really care like I still honestly don't care. Yeah, the world can and again.
Speaker 1:That's once we get into spoilers. We'll talk about the big change for this, like lore wise, for this movie that really dictated a lot of the narrative, for it really pulled from Superman Birthright or not Superman Birthright. It was Superman Birthright where they pulled most of it from there. But I think for him he just doesn't care. That's his like. He's stubborn in that way, like his goodness makes him stubborn, and I quite appreciate that. Nicholas Holt as Lex Luthor might be one of my favorite villains I've ever seen on screen that he I like non-hyperbolic statement he might be. He's probably in my top three favorite movie villains like comic book movie villains that I've seen. Like I'm really trying to shoot down the list of everybody like Thanos is up. That like is obviously in that top three, just in the full landscape of all the comic book movies that I've seen, heath Ledger's, Joker, I mean Ledger's, is probably unabashedly the best.
Speaker 2:That's unassailable. I feel like at this point.
Speaker 1:I think Thanos gets there as well too. I mean, what do you do with Loki? It's tough. I don't even want to count him. I feel like it's a little tougher.
Speaker 2:I guess you would have to look at him as portrayed as a villain, which would be Thor 1, thor 2, and Avengers, right, and then he kind of starts veering into anti-hero and Thor 2. Honestly, yeah, he starts veering into anti-hero and Thor too. Honestly, yeah, he starts veering into anti-hero heroic status.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm gonna. I don't know man. I'm trying to think of all the DCEU villains. I'm trying to think of pre-DCEU DC side of things. I'm trying to think of the Marvel side of things. Non-marvel. His performance is Lex Luthor. It's real-world informed. It's very real-world informed. It's very real-world informed. He's unapologetically bad. He's actually a bad human being. I really like that. He is a bad person, but you can understand why people are right there in that room believing what he's saying.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's not really a spoiler, but there's a scene where the world is not the world, but Metropolis is at risk and the people in his room are like Lex, people are going to die and he goes let them. They chose him, let him save them. And there it is. In a twisted way, he's making his own case.
Speaker 1:There's this scene at the end of the movie where he's kind of he's talking about envy and he's just like. That's the scene that truthfully got me as like that's Lex Luthor Like and that's such a great performance. He was basically saying, like people are trying to say that I'm not an envious person. He said, yes, I am. People are trying to say that I'm not an envious person. He said, yes, I am, and that's why I'm going to save the human race from a being like this, because I envy him, because I have this, this disdain for all of his ideologies and all, and that an alien being is able to walk into our planet and dictate everything.
Speaker 2:And it's another reason why I love Mr Terrific's inclusion in this movie, because there's a clear distinction and terrific even comments on it where there's a distinction between like luther's science and terrific science, where luther's science is like a chaotic, impulsive science. It's still science and it's still brilliant, but terrific makes the point that like his, it like his, what he does is is not thought out, even if it's brilliant. Yeah, which is why I like terrific, like, and terrific even comments on his own science where he talks about like I'm not attached to people, like I don't do emotions, like I just do the science which I really, I really like that parallel.
Speaker 1:We can start with the justice gang, because I want to talk about miss, I want to talk about mr terrific and then I want to talk about guy gardner and hot girl. But I think we should focus on mr terrific becauseific, because I think James Gunn structured this well, because I think he knows that Hawkgirl's going to get her due in whatever the Justice League movie will be First of all she's electric.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, she continues to be like Isabella Merced continues. It's the same thing when you see her in the Last of Us, when you see her in this, you us. When you see her in this, you're like, oh yeah, movie star yeah, yeah, she just turned 24 today yeah. You look at her and you're just like you got it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got it, yeah, yeah, and I think that was intentional um I think you know he's really building this justice league unlimited lineup and I mean it's intentional that you know john stortz gonna be the main green lantern because hal jordan's older she's in this movie specifically. Um, but to start with mr terrific, I think eddie gethegi finally gets his due, as like sure you know. But I think it's beyond that, like I think he was so intentional about not feeling anything about mrific's origin, because I genuinely think that Mr Terrific's going to get his own either movie or TV show.
Speaker 2:Eddie.
Speaker 1:Gathegi's going to get his due. He's going to get a great director alongside of him, because I think that's why you said he doesn't. Mr Terrific's origin goes that his wife is basically killed in front. He's the third smartest man and he's an Olympic athlete and he basically, you know, he loses his wife right in front of him and then he basically turns into Mr Terrific. He uses his knowledge to kind of propel him as well too. So I think for him, eddie Gathegi's performance is so like brash, but it's also very calculated as well too, like he's very like closed off, yeah, but you also see, you see the like the lifeblood of superman even into him trickling a little bit well, that's the important part is, um, I guess we'll talk about in spoilers kind of like, how that happens right, and why that happens to him specifically right um, yeah, I mean, and then.
Speaker 2:So I mean we're gonna have to talk about him more in the spoiler stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah he's so good, he's so and you can tell like, I feel like there's something like that. They're really what? Like it's almost like james gunn knew this character was gonna pop off in this movie and that they were gonna get him ready to get his own thing and like, mr terrific, like this. You know, in terms of dc comics, this c-list character is going to get propelled into the A-list, much like Peacemaker.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah and then, yeah, we talked about Isabella Merced already. Again, just kind of, she's a lesser whenever she's on screen.
Speaker 1:Out of the three of them, she gets the least. Yeah, she flies around, but you know, I think she's going to get the most down the line.
Speaker 2:Like she most down the line, like she's gonna have the biggest payoff probably of the three. It's really the times where she doesn't have the helmet on. Yeah, she gets to speak and you're like, you feel her, you feel it, you feel her presence. She's rebellious, like she's.
Speaker 1:She's intentionally rebellious, which I quite appreciate. Like I can see her in a justice league lineup like contending against, like superman and batman and being like I don't, you know I'm here but I don't I shouldn't take orders from you. Yeah, um, so I mean she was great. Isabella marcelle like put her in everything. Like that's somebody that's going to get all of the her david corn sweat. Like they're going to get all of the work over the next couple years. Yeah, um, so you can add her into like that. Timothy chalamet, zendaya, austin butler, range of like cast them.
Speaker 1:Like isabella marsh said, I think she's gonna get there too um, and then nathan fillion as guy gardner her outstanding to the point where what I really appreciate and he was in that he had an interview where he was talking about lanterns um, I think it's his injection into this film is going to be so important for lanterns because, like I think this film was like just get. So important for lanterns. Because, like I think this film was like just get the justice game there and just like the hall of justice, like just get them, get them and just get that idea planted. But the three of them are gonna cook, like truthfully cook, even though mr terrific really cooks in this film. Nathan fillion is so like he's unabashedly annoying and like that's lore, accurate guy gardener, down to a t. Like he doesn't listen to anybody. No, his opinions don't matter to him, unless you agree with him. Yeah, he's chewing gum while he's saving people, like he's just he's a jerk, like and that's literal perfect guy gardener.
Speaker 2:He's a jerk, but he's not. He's not mean-spirited. No, he's not. He's not. He's still a green lantern at the end of the day. Yes, and very much.
Speaker 1:So, man, I don't care what James Gunn said, where he's like I didn't put it, yes, you did. You set yourself up very well, my friend, in this film. He really did like even the little lines. They're like he's always talking about this oath and that he'll, he can't do certain things. We don't know what he's ever talking about.
Speaker 1:No, I think that's going to play off in Lanterns, because let me get a two-minute Lanterns siren, because I think that show is going to be magically great. Obviously, nathan Fillion is going to step into that show. You have Aaron Pierre as Jon Stewart, you have Kyle Chandler as Hal Jordan. I think the approach is going to be like they are going to do the true detective thing. I think they're going to do Necron, like the Black Lantern rings. That's going to be the conspiracy on Earth. It's like they're going to be like oh shoot, the world's actually going to like the universe is actually about to be infected by the Black Lantern. It's like we need to get on this ASAP. And Al Jordan's like now I got this new kid with me that I have to train as well too. So I think Nathan Fillion is going to and he kind of joked about it in an interview, but I think he was being serious where, like, the guardians of all are like hey, can you do this thing that nobody should know about? And he's like, yeah, of course I will. Like that's, scott, that's one of those casting where it's like, at first you were like that's fun, like that's funny and fun, but now I'm like now thinking like leveraging lanterns over it.
Speaker 1:Now, like this r-rated television show about, I think, one of the greatest green lantern run of all time, maybe one of the greatest comic runs of all time. Um, that I can't remember who wrote that run. Um, that's escaping me. That that wrote star girl. That why can't I remember Jeff Johns' name. That Jeff Johns wrote like they're really going to dip into, like the dark ends of that run and what makes the Green Lantern lore so rich. And I think Nathan Fillion's the perfect counter because, like I don't think we've seen the other side of him, like the true, like we've seen him juxtaposed to Superman you haven't seen him juxtaposed to Superman. You haven't seen him juxtaposed to like an R rated, like I'm off the rails, like type of Green Lantern show. So I can't Ooh, I can't wait for Lanterns. That might be my number one most anticipated show for 2026.
Speaker 2:Um, especially after seeing this like I think he got something truthfully great. Yeah, I think he was. I think he was great and I love the Well. Again, we'll talk about the end, but I love his little bit at the end. And then I guess we can't round out this non-spoiler review without talking about crypto man.
Speaker 1:Man, the goodness boy? No, maybe not, but that's the point.
Speaker 2:There's a reason that we'll talk about it. Wow, I was not expecting that one bit, but it makes sense. Yes, it does. It does Once you get to it. I guess when we do the spoiler section, we can just leave with that.
Speaker 1:Sure, and then we can maybe work on it, and then we'll just work our way through, but that's a fun one. Obviously, the Daily Planet crew, jimmy Olsen.
Speaker 2:Pierce continues his heaters oh he is fantastic.
Speaker 1:Four First Steps has the chance to do the funniest thing of all time. Just put Wendell Pierce in all the superhero movies this year. He's so fun.
Speaker 2:Oh, he's great. He was fun in Captain America and he's fun in this, not Captain Thunderbolts, yeah.
Speaker 1:Thunderbolts. Sorry, man, he was so good. I love him as Perry.
Speaker 1:White, me toory white, and again that's why I think, do like a small little show. Yeah, rachel brosnahan to be the lead in that show. Just a few episodes one season. Yeah, I mean you could do multiple seasons, but just like a fun in between. So maybe get like a new hero in metropolis. That's like not superman, that's trying to do stuff too. That would be fun. Um, but this crew is great. Um, yeah, and I mean I guess we can dive into spoilers, the plot, yeah, let's, let's do it. Do. We'll just start with the two big, two big cameos and then we can work, sure, um, so spoiler alert, full spoiler alert from now on yeah for superman.
Speaker 2:If you have not seen the movie yet, don't. Don't listen to this bit. Yeah, because we're going to talk about probably everything that happens, right, right.
Speaker 1:Major wise. Hey Rob, Is Superman the only Kryptonian on Earth? No, he's not. No, he's not Because Supergirl's in this movie.
Speaker 2:Yes, Recently returned Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:So the reason we find out Krypto is this chaotic puppy does not listen, cannot be stopped, will not be stopped and again the thing that I think really probably caught everybody's ears and eyes just like why doesn't superman like crypto, like shouldn't he like? He like obviously, like when crypto gets captured, like I think it, and like watching the end of the movie and then going it's more of his just good nature over that's his dog. Yeah, he's like where's the dog, luther? It's like. It's like it's almost like he made a commitment to keep that dog safe.
Speaker 2:He did and boy he did. Um, he mentions that it's a foster, which kind of is a line that kind of goes over your head if you're not really listening because you're like, oh, like he adopted the dog or whatever right, you know, whatever, um, but yes, at the end of the movie, um, superman's back in the fortress of Solitude and then this meteor crashes through and the robot says your cousin is back. And then we see Millie Alcock as Supergirl and I again, it's like the same thing. When you see her, she just has the thing. It's the same thing I saw when I watched her in House of the Dragon.
Speaker 2:When you see her as Rhaenyra Targary, just, you're just a lord, you just mag. You're magnetized by her. Um, she comes in, she is brash, she is loud, she is drunk, um, she is foul. Um, and I could not be more excited to see her again in her own movie. Um, because, yeah, she comes in, she, she's the one, she's, that's crypto's mom, um, and she is obviously, if you guys don't know the development history of her film, it's going to be based on the Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow story by Tom King, you get a chance to read that comic.
Speaker 1:That comic is phenomenal. It's essentially like a purpose story, like what's my true purpose.
Speaker 2:Which you kind of the backdrop is kind of in this small scene.
Speaker 1:I mean they even give her the coat that she's wearing in the beginning of the comic, which I thought was incredible. That literally drops her. I think they're going to drop her literally right in the. It even goes down to she's partying on planets with red suns so she can make sure she gets drunk. It's literally taking place. And the way James was talking about it, he said we're going to do a big sci-fi film for this and I said well, that's a cool approach. Who's directing this film as well? I think the director of. There's something that that director did that he's notable for that.
Speaker 2:I can't wait to see it's Craig Gillespie.
Speaker 1:Right Yep.
Speaker 2:Who has done he?
Speaker 1:did something. He did a few things, I think.
Speaker 2:He did Fright Night. Few things, I think. Uh, he did fright night. He did, oh, he did cruella. Yeah, yeah, he did cruella. Um, and yeah, I mean yeah, she come so small backdrop on the supergirl woman of tomorrow story. It's basically she. It's true. Grit has been on earth now. Her whole purpose was to protect clark and she figures out he doesn't need it. So she's like what am I doing here?
Speaker 1:Not only does she not need it. The world's enamored by Superman. That's Superman. That's the biggest superhero on the planet.
Speaker 2:I don't need to do anything. She has all the trauma of Krypton exploding.
Speaker 1:I think they're really going to focus on that as well. And it's such an interesting point. She has all the trauma of, you know, of Krypton being destroyed. She understood it, she was there, she was a teenager, she knew exactly what was happening. So, basically, she comes to, she just goes planet hopping. She gets to one planet and this little girl's like, hey, this guy killed my dad, can you help me track him down? And she's just like no, she said no, I won't, like, why would I ever do this?
Speaker 1:And then you know, events happen, and then she kind of just teams up and is on board and it's like a, it's a true story about you know trauma, um, about you know self-discovery and self-worth and purpose, and I think it's like it's, it's, it's a tom king special. It's the same thing he did with mr miracle, um, the the absolutely incredible, incredible comic, one of my probably my favorite comic I've ever read. So Tom King helped write this as well too, which I think is really awesome. So, millie Alcock, she looks like you want to think like about, feel like a character feels like like, and it's it's such a great counter to David Cornsworth. Yeah, cause he's such like great counter to david corn. So yeah, because he's such like this, like just goodness, for goodness sake, what's the line that she tells him at the end?
Speaker 1:oh, I can't remember thanks for watching my, my dog b.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's hilarious like I can't wait for that movie.
Speaker 1:She's like a frat girl exactly, yeah, she's like she doesn't care about anything, she's just getting drunk planet hopping. But I think she's going to try to find true purpose. I think the movie's going to be like a I don't even want to say like a hidden gem of the DCU, because this is the next movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's going to be a really great. She's going to come across as like an anti-hero kind of and then kind of ascend to being Supergirl, yeah, which I think will be really fun.
Speaker 1:Man. You know what I was thinking about just before we get into the next point, just about the broad scale DCU. Like this is what Disney Plus needed to be doing. Like this is the true leverage of your streaming service and your movie If you're going to do the TV show movie thing at the same time and I'm thinking specifically about Lanterns, I'm thinking about Peacemaker. Like obviously they got lucky because Peacemaker like I guess they didn't, they probably didn't know about the crossover, like that James Gunn was going to take it when Peacemaker was being filmed. Like obviously they put like a DCEU cameo in Peacemaker. But I think they're understanding the true potential. Like it shouldn't be like this thing that's so, like you need to watch this thing to get to the thing. Like you should be able to watch projects and just enjoy the projects, but like the payoff for you watching the project and then watching project to project is going to be great. So it's a true great leveraging of HBO Max Newly minted again HBO Max. Speaking of Peacemaker.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we do get a small cameo from John Cena in this movie. Yeah, being interviewed about Superman by discount.
Speaker 1:Tucker Carlson.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So basically I mean we're going to talk about it once we get into the actual plot of this movie and how it pertains to Superman Birthright, because I think narratively this is much more like Superman Birthright and then canonically or feel-wise, thematically I should say it's much more akin to All-Star Superman. But basically there's a Fox News interview where they're just like that dang Superman, he lied to us. Yeah, he lied to us. I knew he was no good, ain't that right Peacemaker? Yeah, he calls him Chris. The theater freaked out when that cameo got such a I got a better reaction than Supergirl.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was crazy.
Speaker 1:People are really in on John Cena. He said that's his favorite role that he's ever had was Peacemaker. I think he said that makes sense. Yeah, I just I love that character Like I really think that like that character is probably going to be one of the more important characters in the DCU.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we'll see how the season two shakes out, but yeah, that was a really fun moment. We do a small, small cameo from what's his name as maxwell lord oh yeah uh, sean gunn, yeah, yeah, sean gunn shows up as maxwell lord who, by the way again it kind of goes understated he's funding the justice gang.
Speaker 1:Yes they're his crew yeah, and he built, like you see, lord tech devices all around. Jimmy's got a lord tech computer. Yeah, he in this universe, he seems. He seems like steve jobs in this universe, he seems like Steve Jobs in this universe.
Speaker 2:Sure that makes sense Versus Lex Luthor is Elon Musk.
Speaker 1:Slashed in Jeff Bezos, mixed into one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So that was a nice little Sean Gunn cameo at the end of the movie there. Okay, the big. What is this movie about and how does it propel our characters forward? So, superman, he feels like he has this purpose given to him by his parents, his birth parents yeah, his birth parents. He has this message that plays in the Fortress of Solitude, that basically lays out his mission statement basically. And who's playing his father?
Speaker 1:Bradley Cooper. Bradley Cooper is Jor-El in this universe. That's fun. No, it's not. Jor-el's a warmongering horrible person apparently in this universe Like Smallville. Yeah, like Smallville, I mean. This one is much more like nefarious than Smallville. Smallville was more like you should just be in charge of the planet. Wallville was more like you should just be in charge of the planet, like just be in charge of them, because they can't help it. This one's like pillage the entire Earth, murder anybody that won't fall alive in line. Have as many wives as you need to repopulate and turn this place into new Krypton.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that's the big Dang it, bradley Cooper.
Speaker 1:we thought you were a good guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so half of the message is go to Earth. Do good, be awesome, be Superman, we love you, love you son, love you, love you kid. But the second half of the message was damaged, so Clark never heard the rest of it. And then, and then, and then, and then Lex Luthor and co break into the fortress of solitude, they kidnap crypto and they extract the back half of the message. Um, through the engineer, she's able to decode and decrypt the rest of the message and recover the damaged data. And then lex luther finds out what that is, and then he subsequently releases it to the world. Um, and, to your point, that is exactly what the message is. Um, it is them basically saying rule, rule the earth, um, and create a new krypton by any means necessary. Um, and then everyone's like that's wow, whoa wait a minute, that's not yeah, then the world essentially turns on him in real time.
Speaker 1:That was a really quick, that was a really cool piece and a really cool twist. I mean, obviously, like it's a bit jarring at first because you're so in tuned with, like Jor-El, like with Superman's parents being like these altruistic Kryptonians that only that foresaw the end of the world but wanted their son to survive so he can bring about a better tomorrow. Forget that Russell Crowe, forget that Marlon Brando no shot, my son's going to rule this thing. Crazy, what a what a change. But it's, it's one of those things that watching this movie front to back and understanding narratively works, because then it's like he is a good person to do good, to be good, no matter what he thought.
Speaker 1:That message and man, you know what scene got me? The pockhead scene with him got me, got me immediately. Got me because he basically fast-forwarded the movie. Clark, he gets his butt beat. He goes back Well, he surrenders. Well, he surrenders, yeah, to the government. And then the government's like, hey, well, basically, rick flagg seniors frank growl is in this movie, is rick flagg senior, um, basically tells superman my bad brother, I actually don't hate you the same way that everybody else hates you, but we're also turning you over to like my hands are tied, I have to turn you over.
Speaker 1:We're going. We're going private owned on this one. We're not going to hold you in a prison because we don't know how to handle you. So here's Lex Luthor's prison, and it's an interdimensional prison. This is the most comic book-y movie I think I've ever seen.
Speaker 2:I forgot to mention that up top. Yeah, that was my big point coming out of it. Oftentimes these comic book movies fit themselves neatly into some type of genre. You can just throw one out there. Ant-man movies fit themselves neatly into some type of genre, right? Um, you can just throw one out there. Hey man, it's a heist movie. Um, black Panther is a is a drama, drama action type Um.
Speaker 2:Captain America winter soldier is an espionage, espionage movie, espionage, action, adventure movie like the flash. We don't talk about the flash. Bad, it's a bad movie, that's its genre. Bad, um. But this movie, the batman, it's a detective. It's a detective noir movie, it's seven, um. But this movie is, its genre is comic book. Its job job is beach, for lack of a better word, not lifeguard. Its genre is comic book. This movie is a comic book movie.
Speaker 1:This movie is a comic book. Yeah, it's a real-life, living, breathing comic book.
Speaker 2:Lex Luthor just has a bridge to a pocket dimension.
Speaker 1:And you're not Great and you don't, they drop you immediately and it's fast. That first 30 minutes of the movie it's fast. I know some of the nitpicks about this movie is the first 30 minutes are so like People were calling it messy a bit fast.
Speaker 2:They drop you in and he's fighting the hammer of Ruvia.
Speaker 1:And I think that's the point To James Gunn's point is that, like cause to James Gunn's point. He said we've seen the Superman origin 1.3 trillion times. We already know what happens. It's not just about the Superman origin. This world needs to feel like it's been lived in. That's why Superman is such an important piece to them. So they drop you right in. Kryptonite just gets named, dropped and you're like all kryptonite just gets name dropped and you're like all right, cool. Interdimensional pocket reality's cool, mr terrific as t-sphere is cool. Green lantern core is out there. They're already on their third green lantern.
Speaker 2:Cool, like we've already done all this stuff yeah yeah, it's very cool yeah, superman surrenders to the, to the government. That's the president of the government you're talking to. Um, he goes. He goes to jail. He goes to lex lex jail, where lex is keeping all his arch, not even his arch nemesis, just keeping ex-girlfriends, just people that have aggrieved him are there. Um, he's got which. This is the. This is the thing that got the biggest laugh out of me the monkeys yeah the rage bait monkeys.
Speaker 2:The rage bait monkeys. Um, that's a great bit, okay, you can say. You can say what you want about james gunn's humor. It doesn't land for everybody. That bit landed for me.
Speaker 1:I enjoyed the rage because I was talking about people to him.
Speaker 2:I love it. Yeah, it was tremendous, um, especially since, like superman's, like I don't read that social media, like they got like hashtags for him and then you find out it's just a bunch of monkeys that are just angry. Yeah, it's great. It's great, and if you're mad at that, it's because you're one of those rage bait monkeys. Right, it's great.
Speaker 1:But also in his prison he has. Anthony Kerrigan's metamorpho is in here.
Speaker 2:Who we were led to believe was going to be a much bigger deal in this movie. He was a pretty decent deal, like in original, like conceptually of this movie, like he was supposed to be like the guy, like the villain, the villain, I think so. It was originally like the before, like the Lex Luthor thing got like confirmed, like Metamorpho was supposed to be like the antagonist. Is this real? Yeah, this is like conceptually, first concept of the movie. I never heard that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm just, I didn't know, but metamorpho. I think he's going to turn into a James Gunn fan favorite after, after this movie and whatever the next project he'll be in is. He's great, he's great. I really feel Anthony Kerrigan's pain, like the pain he must feel, like this monster that he, he thinks he is gods and monsters, gods and monsters um, he's got his son joey, yeah, um, but yeah, he basically makes kryptonite and he's like he tells superman like don't, don't do nothing crazy.
Speaker 1:And superman's like I'm gonna break out, I'm gonna save everybody. He's like you can't. He's like watch me, watch me do it.
Speaker 2:Well, he can't. He can't at first, he wouldn't have um. But then lex luther interrogates one of superman's. I mean, they're not even friends.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean to the point, like superman feels like a friend, like a guy who gave me food once, and he's like sue, and again this guy must solve, you know, the the quote-unquote bad that superman did, and like he's like that can't be superman, I, I, he saved me, I know who superman and I know what superman is.
Speaker 1:So he lex luther, kills. That got a big pop out of our theater because we're like again to like the converse of the comic book. You like this movie's got some scenes where you're like, oh, shoot, like yeah, and that was one of them where you're like, oh, shoot, oh, and he just killed yeah he basically plays russian roulette and he kills him on the second bullet.
Speaker 1:And then lux was like nah, shoot, sucks, I'll go get lois lane next if you won't talk to me and you're like, wow, this guy is evil but then that's, that's the moment that breaks metamorpho. He's like I didn't again he's like I didn't do anything, like I didn't, I didn't step up, like I had the I can do stuff and but I didn't do it, so that's his hero origin story yeah, he lets Superman heal.
Speaker 2:Superman breaks out, saves the baby. We get a fight in a proton river.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is a comic book.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's insane. Yeah, meanwhile, Mr Triffick and Lois Lane are trying to find Superman, but he finds.
Speaker 1:Krypto. He hates Krypto, he does finds.
Speaker 2:Krypto. He hates Krypto. He does hate Krypto. Fuck that dog man. The Mr Terrific action sequence is tremendous. Oh, that's probably gonna. It's the Yondu thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the music gets loud. Things are flying all over the place. He took the Yondu sequence and just made it Mr Terrific. It's so awesome, it's so cool, it's so cool.
Speaker 1:So yeah, anthony Kerrigan, he's great. He's great as Metamorpho. Really appreciated him as well too. I can't wait to see more of him.
Speaker 2:He shows up again at the end of the final battle with the Justice Gang, which is a point I want to circle back to when we talk about the war, the war backdrop.
Speaker 1:When we get into that plot point Right? So, like we said, the big plot change is that the world kind of turns against Superman.
Speaker 2:For a bit, for a bit, but he's unwavering Like he's unwavering good.
Speaker 1:Until the good old story the pen is mightier than the sword. It's mightier than Lex Luthor.
Speaker 2:Yes, it is, yep, it is they got him. It is, it is, they got him but they got him, they got, they got him, they got him. And then I guess another mystery in this movie is the, the mystery of Ultraman. Yes, it's not much of a mystery. No, we?
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, we knew it. It was never Henry Cavill in there, no it was always going to be a clone. It can tell by the way he was walking. That seems like a very over-exaggerated Superman walk. He had the mullet. He did have the mullet. Yeah, I do think that he's going to turn himself into Bizarro. I think that's exactly what's going to happen Probably gets sucked into the black hole, goes to the Bizarroverse. Oh not the Bizarroverse, you're the Bizarroverse from Superman and Lois.
Speaker 2:No, that place was. That was truly a bizarre place. Yeah, it was. The earth was a cube. Yep, I'm a superhero. Lois, that man was angry, he was.
Speaker 1:And then he became Doomsday. He did become Doomsday. What an art, Amazing.
Speaker 2:How did a Doomsday on a mid a slightly higher to mid-budget television show look infinitely better than the big action blockbuster Doomsday. That Doomsday had heart? No, it didn't. He got his heart stabbed. Remember when Superman pushed him into the sun and they had like a moment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that show is special.
Speaker 2:That show is special. I don't care what anyone says that last episode man. They got me feeling bad for Doomsday at the end of that show. They pushed him into the sun. Bad for Doomsday at the end of the show, push him into the sun Doomsday did the Kevin Costner?
Speaker 1:Yeah, let me go.
Speaker 2:I'm not your enemy, Clark. This movie had absolutely not one singular tornado in it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no tornadoes in this movie.
Speaker 2:No tornadoes sucking up Hawken. No, Zero out of ten.
Speaker 1:No Speaking of Hawken man, man, that was good stuff. Man, boss, kent, how she's, just like she's. I love how they're older, I don't know that. That's like a little piece that I really appreciated. Like they were. They were like definitively older, like they outaged, because obviously he doesn't age as fast, so like they were this older couple. Yeah, we're like. It was cute. He said Clark, I saw you on the news, clark doing good out there.
Speaker 2:That was cute. I did like I. I like them. They're not my favorite mom pocket, but they were fun. They were. Who's your favorite mom pocket? Um, I mean, we haven't seen them. I've.
Speaker 1:I mean the smallville yeah, yeah, fair, fair, fair fair, um, but they're, they're cute, I like them.
Speaker 2:I like that scene with him and Pa Kent.
Speaker 1:Man, the big softy, Kevin Costner could never. No, he couldn't. So, basically, that's the scene that got me. When we talk about the most emotional moment, I think it's this scene, because Superman's got nowhere to go.
Speaker 2:The world's turned against him. The Justice Gang won't help him, so he goes back. He's got nowhere to go, the world's turned against him. The Justice Gang won't help him, no, so he goes back. He's weak from everything that's just transpired, so Lois takes him back to Kansas.
Speaker 1:And basically you know he's healing from the kryptonite poisoning. Because they said like basically Metamorph is like why isn't he healing? He's like because he has kryptonite poisoning now it's in his bloodstream. He needs to get into the sun and he needs to heal. And basically Pa Kent says the fact that you thought the rest of that message was about you coming to Earth to save Earth tells me everything I need to know about you and why you're the most incredible person ever. And he says your choices, your actions that's that, yeah, that's the speech.
Speaker 2:That again to my point that I said up top about the theme of and the arc that he goes on, the difference you know what he thinks, what he perceives is supposed to be, a difference between who he should be and who he thinks he should be. These now these things have merged right, because now it's irrelevant, like the message from his parents becomes irrelevant. Yeah, because it's not, because he always thought I mean he, he was a good person, but he always thought he needed to be a hero because of them right, because of their message. But now he realizes, no, I need to be a hero and I can be a hero because it's the right thing to do, and it's me yeah it's not what my parents imparted on me, it's.
Speaker 2:It's who I am. Yeah, so the rest of that's why the end of the movie is so powerful when, when they, the robots ask him you know, do you want to play the message from your parents?
Speaker 1:it was the guardians three ending again. Yeah, it was the same feeling.
Speaker 2:Of course it was, but you know it works because that's that's. Thematically, what happens is no, he's no longer differentiating who he thinks he should be versus who he wants to be. Those two people are the same now, right? Um, and it's instigated by the pocket speech which I think is great, yeah, and it's you know his kind of recall to action, as it were. Um, because in the backdrop of this whole movie is this conflict between these two fictional nations.
Speaker 1:Fictional nations these two very fictional nations of baravia and jaan Por Very fictional conflict going on in the Middle East. Yeah, it is an unrealistic fictional conflict that's definitely not thinking about real world implications.
Speaker 2:Not one bit, not one bit. So these two nations, one nation has all this military power that was given to them. Yes.
Speaker 1:Weird.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and one nation who fighting to survive and fighting to be a people it's gaza, in israel oh no, are we a political podcast now? Look, look, james gunn. James gunn made it political. No, he didn't, it was always political. Um, so we get the president of Arabia, who's just the worst.
Speaker 1:He's like a gross, like glutton of a man.
Speaker 2:Yep, he's, yeah, yep, he wants to conquer. What's the name of the other?
Speaker 1:nation.
Speaker 2:Jarrampur, Jarrampur. Yes, At the behest man. Well, it's a little mix between Gaza and Israel, and then Russia and Ukraine Stop me if you heard this before but the one, the most powerful man in America, wants to make nice with the president of Arabia. And the most powerful man in America at this point is not the president, it's Lex Luthor. He wants to make nice with the president of Bravia because he wants a little piece of the action.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he wants to have to make his own country.
Speaker 2:Luxoria Great Good, I'm glad that we're back to supervillains. All he needed was a laser on the moon and he would have been the most comic book movie villain I think I've ever seen in my life. He wanted to name the country Luthoria. Yeah, great Good, I'm glad we're back to this. I'm telling you, all he needed was a laser on the moon. If the back half of the moon would have opened up and a giant laser would have came out, I'd be like and you know what, in this universe, I wouldn't have batted an eye.
Speaker 2:Then he would have been the greatest comic book. He would have passed Ledger at that point. I have this laser on the moon, Superman.
Speaker 1:It's pointed at Kansas, gene Hackman's Luther would have done that.
Speaker 2:It's pointed at Smallville right now.
Speaker 1:Smallville. How do you know who I am so?
Speaker 2:yeah, so they have the Hammer of Bravia, who's not real. It's ultra man dressed up as the hammer of bravia. Um, great, good, um. So yeah, that conflict is what superman's first call to action, because that's what he jumps in to stop that war. And lois is like can't do that.
Speaker 1:Superman's like watch me yeah, that's the whole point. He's like watch me, I will I don't care.
Speaker 2:But then lex luther's plans are unraveling. He doesn't want to admit that they're unraveling, which is another thing I really like about this lex luther is he's like it's still fine, everything's fine. Yeah, we're just gonna ramp up the crazy. Yeah, more I love.
Speaker 1:And again, it still keeps his sanity about how smart he is. Not his sanity about the world, because he's insane, but his, his, his actual mind is still peak, peak, moving. He's like he said, lex, in theory, you know, you could open up the world holes, but we're gonna need the exact code. At the exact time he said okay, we're good, then I don't care, go about it, I need to kill superman, I don't care who dies doing it yeah, so that's what happens.
Speaker 2:He's like reopen the thing, reopen then they're like it could tear up. I have fabric in the thing and then it did happen.
Speaker 1:The fabrics were being torn yeah.
Speaker 2:So big, big rift is opening up. It's heading towards metropolis. We're evacuating the city, evacuate the city, engage all defenses and get this man a cape. Um, I cleaned your boots for you. So, yeah, superman's gotta fly into action. But before you can fly into action, he finds out that baravia is prepping for another invasion of jahar what's the last siege like this is the one that's gonna set them over the edge, and yeah, baravia's like, that's it, we're coming, we're Yep, we're coming in, we're taking your land, yeah, huh.
Speaker 1:No, says the Justice Gang Well before that you know they kind of say, and then you know Well, this is where I wanted to talk about the Justice Gang bit, because this is important. Yeah, the kids are like Superman Superman.
Speaker 2:And sees like like this is beyond us. Well, at this point, terrific is already kind of on superman's side, which is also important because he's the one that claims it doesn't. He doesn't have emotions, but he's the first one that kind of breaks rank, you know where. Like even hawk girl, who I think understands where he's coming from, is like no, like it's not our problem, like we're not dealing with it. Um, you're kind of on your own, whereas, like like Terrific is like all right, like I kind of see he's a good guy, like we should help him, right, or I should help him at least. He gives Lois his Terrific plane, great garage door bit. Yeah, it's a great bit, I really liked it. It's a great bit, I really liked it. Um, and again, just a comic, the unabashed comic bookness of this where, like here it is, he's got a fucking ufo. Yeah, that he can, that can do anything.
Speaker 1:It's almost like you know what I was thinking about. Like it's like the coma thing where, like you wake somebody up from a coma from like 2005 and they wake up in 2018. Sure what if I told you that spider-man's gonna have the iron spider suit and he's gonna be valkyrie from the comics is gonna be carrying him with the infinity gauntlet, and you're like, excuse me, right, like it's the same thing. Where you're like superman and lois lane flew mr terrific's t-shirt to smallville while crypto plays with cows in the land, and you're like all right, I'm in, everything's fine, um, so yeah um, so yeah, terrific's on board.
Speaker 2:And then. So now the metropolis thing is happening, the conflict in jar and poor is happening. So now what does he do? Because terrific, on one end, is like I need you in metropolis because the city, the city is flying yeah the city's not flying, but the city's splitting in half, city's splitting in half.
Speaker 1:The whole world's about to be sucked into a black hole.
Speaker 2:But on the other end, this conflict in Bravia is happening. So Superman's like and he chooses Metropolis. He chooses to save Metropolis because the Justice Gang, they're in, they're in, they're in, they're successfully moved by Superman's willingness to just always be good and they jump in. Hawkgirl and Green Lantern jump in and Metamorpho jumps in the newest member of the Justice Gang.
Speaker 1:Is he cool? Is it a cool name? That's a pretty cool name, guy Gardner's.
Speaker 2:Like you're on the team man yeah, cause Guy Gardner says that Metamorpho is too ugly to be in the Justice Gang and Metamorpho's like Justice Gang. That's an awesome name. Guy Gardner's like you're all right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're all right man. Hawkgirl kills the president of Arabia. Insane, that's probably going to come back to bite her in the wings.
Speaker 2:Because, because one lecture has joked too many out of the president of Bravia, she comes. How do you feel about the screeching?
Speaker 1:I'm all right with it. It's a bit jarring Because they have that super wide-angle lens that they push really against her face when she does, and you're like oh, but yeah, she swoops him up and then just he does the old.
Speaker 2:You know what it reminded me of? It reminded me of the X-Men 97 with the Bolivar Trap. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, when he was like like in the back of his mind he's like, well, she's an.
Speaker 1:X-Man. She's not going to drop me.
Speaker 2:She's not going to drop me and then no, no, she, let me go. Same sugar, same thing happens here. Like the president, barabia is like you're like justice gang, like you're, you're a hero.
Speaker 1:And she's like oh well, she talks about superman. He's like he'll never kill me. Superman doesn't kill.
Speaker 2:She's like I'm not superman I'm not superman, I'm not him I can't because I think they're especially and again it because batman doesn't kill, but get.
Speaker 1:Batman's ideologies are different than than superman's. I'm see, jane, I don't care what you say, you were trying to get a super justice league movie together. I am chomping at the bits for whatever this justice league movie is going to look like I may not be him, but I am her and she drops them dead. I can't wait for the dynamic between all of them, can't wait yeah, because they're already kind of setting them up pretty different.
Speaker 2:And Superman also, he's saving squirrels.
Speaker 1:He's saving everybody that he can. He's like come on, man, yeah, the little kid.
Speaker 2:They're like there's gotta be a human. Oh yeah, when they're fighting the giant, the giant Kaiju monster, and like the Justice Gang is just trying to neutralize it of like collateral damage and superman is basically flying around trying to prevent as much damage as possible, he's like come on, guys, like good, golly guys um, that's why superman but yeah, the justice gang staves off the bravian military um thwarting lex luther's plans, thwarting um, thwarting Lex Luthor's plans, thwarting my plans, thwarting your plans.
Speaker 2:Uh, meanwhile, the Daily Planet crew is on terrific ship getting the story ready.
Speaker 1:I love that bit where you know everybody's evacuating because the world's about to end, so everybody's evacuating. Metropolis. And like I love when James Gunn does his like whip pans Like that was probably the best whip pan in the movie where it's like each member of the crew got a little whip pan as they were going around. It's like Lane Olsen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no matter what happens, the story comes first. Jimmy Olsen gets all his intel from Eve Tessmacher, which is fun. Well, the bit it's a fun bit where Jimmy Olsen is just the ultimate playboy, basically.
Speaker 1:But he's still like Jimmy Olsen. He's just Jimmy Olsen. Yeah, it's not James Olsen from Supergirl.
Speaker 2:No, no one can ever be James Olsen.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:That's.
Speaker 1:Jimmy Olsen. Every woman's like swooning over him, but like he just doesn't care.
Speaker 2:No, he wants no part of it. Yeah, no, he wants no part of it. Yeah, he wants no part of it, and yeah, so he's got a thing with eve test mocker and no eve test mocker has a thing with him.
Speaker 1:Sure, they have like an affair behind lex's back, but it's a one-handed affair because jimmy does not like her. No, um.
Speaker 2:so she ends up sending him a bunch of selfies, but it's backdropped as intel on le's plans. She's smarter than she looks, so that's what they use to bring Lex down. And then they save the city. And then Superman one last confrontation with Lex.
Speaker 1:How did you like the? This is my ideology and this is your ideology argument. I actually quite loved it, even though I guess some people I guess I'm not supposed to I loved it personally, and you know the reason. I loved it Because they could have stopped at the Superman bit. But I love Lex's punch. I like that. He got a retort. Yes, I think that was the most important part of that speech. It's heavy-handed, it is, but it's the point. It is the point. This movie's unapologetic about itself. I am going to be heavy-handed about it. What's?
Speaker 2:the comic book bit, yeah, as these two characters are literally spouting out their ideologies at you, yeah, or at each other, I guess.
Speaker 1:Right, I just love Lex's bounce back to be like no you.
Speaker 2:I do like that he got a retort, Because quite often it would be the hero being like here's the thing about a thing or two lex, and then they just kind of like and he gets handcuffed and gets thrown away by like that he did.
Speaker 1:He did get escorted, but he also got murked by crypto before that he did.
Speaker 2:That was great. I enjoyed that. Um, I don't know how that dog didn't kill him but um, but I did, like that lex kind of got to bite back and be like your ideology is ridiculous. Yeah, and again it feels more like we're gonna see each other for a while, like I think the studio is gonna be like your ideology is ridiculous.
Speaker 1:Again, it feels more like we're going to see each other for a while. I think the studio is going to be like no, as long as this movie makes a billion dollars, you two are going to be playing these characters for a very long time and I like that.
Speaker 2:Lex's retort wasn't necessarily like your ideology is wrong, it's just I'm right.
Speaker 1:Yes, and like. I don't care that, you're a good person and like as long as you're here, we are on a collision course for the end of humanity and I will not have that.
Speaker 2:I will not have it. I will not have it. Um, I really like that. I really like that. Back against the wall, his life is over as he knows it, but he doesn't care.
Speaker 1:Well, you know where this is going to his arc. Right, he's getting the big suit oh he's going to be the president.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense for this world.
Speaker 1:He's going to be the president of the United States. He'll find a way. He's going to go to jail for a little bit and then, um, jail for a little bit and then um you saw that nicholas holtz, like I want my lux to interact with the joker. Like they're also probably going to do the injustice league, this unit man, if they can get, because he said this isn't going to end in like these big they not necessarily that. While I do think that's a lie, because I think the studio's like, hey, the team-up movies make a billion dollars, so do a team-up movie. I just think he's like they're gonna, they're gonna do Justice League. He's literally building this whole roster to be Justice League Unlimited.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah. And he should just not pretend that Of course you're gonna make a Justice League movie.
Speaker 1:I truthfully think they should do the Injustice League against them in the first movie. I don't see a better antagonist than a triumvirate of like.
Speaker 2:It's tough man, because you gotta that character. The Joker especially needs some rehabilitation. As crazy as that sounds, I see what you did there, because the I mean the Joker 2 thing just murdered that character.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean On purpose what? You have to ask now is because in this universe it seems like this Batman has been around. For what?
Speaker 2:A couple years.
Speaker 1:I think probably 10 plus.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're going on the proviso that it's not going to be Pattinson's Batman.
Speaker 1:I don't think it will be Like and I was truthfully encompassent that it would be. I just think that Matt Reeves and I was truthfully encompassent that it would be. I just think that Matt Reeves, like that pocket universe is, come on, man.
Speaker 2:That universe is, so that would have been a good bit. If Lex goes into the pocket dimension and he ends up in the Batman universe. I think that would be.
Speaker 1:Oh, if he ran into the penguin, he's like, oh, he would have to run into Colin Farrell's penguin. That would be the only way that that's hilarious, whoops, I I truthfully think that, as cool as it would be, I think again I will die in the hell. I think that Pattinson and Corn Sweat would be the perfect counter to each other, like they would be the perfect sides of the same coin. I do think it's going to be a different actor. I specifically think it's going to be Brandon Sklaner. They're going to just make him Batman because he looks exactly like Batman laughs, as long as he shaved that mustache. He refuses to shave that mustache in any project he's in.
Speaker 1:But yes, I do think that Batman's going to be around for probably 10 years, because that Batman was in Creature Commandos, true. So I think, because what you could do if it was Pattinson is say that the Batman came out like 10 years, like in the universe before that. But I still think you would have to cross a lot of I's and dot a lot of T's that the studio wouldn't. So my fear is that the Batman Part 2 is going to be the last Batman movie. I don't think we're going to get the Brave and the Bold until probably 2029, 2030, before we get that movie, which I think in of itself is a mistake. I think you need to fast get that movie, which I think in of itself is a mistake. I think you need to fast track that movie, but also, I need Robert Pattinson back as Batman. I don't know, man, what do you think? Do you think that they're just going to make him Batman? I think they should.
Speaker 2:Um, because I don't think I'm understand Matt Reeves's perspective, but I also don't think he should be afraid of James Gunn. To kind of Obviously, James Gunn wouldn't direct a Batman movie, but I don't think Matt Reeves should be afraid of James Gunn kind of borrowing that version of Batman for a bit.
Speaker 1:Amy Muschietti was at that premiere a lot. He was front and center at that premiere which makes me think they are going to move forward with him as the director.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Again to the point that you kind of made last week. I don't think you want to mess around with confusing people, Not even confusing people, but just Right now, especially since you're.
Speaker 1:How hard did that marketing team work and that studio work and James work to like, no, this isn't the DCEU anymore. This is the DCEU.
Speaker 2:We're right here, like we got a hopeful Superman, like we got some cool stuff on the way, and you have two pretty much critically acclaimed films and two actors that pretty perfectly embody these two characters. I don't know why you would mess with that by getting another Batman actor.
Speaker 1:And you don't need to change the Batman. No, not at all. Obviously, the only thing you're going to need to do is like why can't Matt Reeves just direct the Batman? Because you and to James Gunn's point, he said the directors are going to it's not the universe that's going to dictate, the creative vision is going to dictate.
Speaker 2:And I don't think there's inherently anything in that first Batman movie that forbids it from being part of this universe.
Speaker 1:No, no, who says Right, that's what I mean. Just because it looks very filmic and looks very cinematic, like so, and it's a little bit grounded, but so is Batman. Batman is comparatively like you play an Arkham game, like you're not fighting giant Kaijus in that Arkham game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he. I mean he went up against crime in the first movie. Exactly, he, exactly. He went up against the least superpowered person.
Speaker 1:That probably that is in his rose gallery in the riddler. Yeah, and the joker was still there in the whims, like, yeah, you could still get barry keegan to be to be the joker if you want.
Speaker 2:Like, so you don't need to cast him and the whole thing with batman and the justice league is weird anyway, because he's not really in the justice league, but he's somehow the leader of the justice League. He's like a hired gun that they're just like hey, do you want to be the, do you want in on this one? And he's like nah. But then something happens and he's like I'm here and I'm in charge, yeah, and I'm the leader. That's usually what happens, like the Justice League has to deal with, like, and they call him up and he's like I'm not interested, I'm doing a thing. The mr freeze broke out of arkham again and they're like really, mr freeze. And he's like all right, fine, I'll.
Speaker 1:And then, like they're like well, batman's out, and then they turn around and batman's there and he's like I thought about it, yeah possibly you can say that this batman was so far and like not so far in the past, but this batman took, like the batman, part 1 took place years. Yeah, why not? It's a movie out of time. Yeah, like it is. It, truthfully, is like that goes along with like the noir. Feel to it like that movie.
Speaker 2:It's a movie out of time. It doesn't. It could have taken right to your point.
Speaker 1:It could have taken place five years before the Superman movie. Five his haircut and everything like we're like shoot like that, looks exactly like like give, make him look like that as soon as you get dropped into the dcu. But I truthfully think that their, his vision is and his vision is understanding of what he wants his batman to be is very much comic booky. So I think he does want it to be a factor like somebody with them and just I'm fearful for what it's gonna do and I think that's important why they're calling it the brave and the bold and not well, they're gonna end up calling it batman brave and the bold.
Speaker 1:But man, I'm just I wonder what this is gonna do to the batman. Like the part two might be the last batman movie we get which would be a shame I agree that that leads to the very, very. It should be a trilogy. It should be a trilogy finished, and that's it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we covered the war, we covered Lex Luthor, we covered the Justice Gang. I think we pretty much covered this whole movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I really I had this feeling and it was weird. When the feeling came, it wasn't like at the end of the movie, it wasn't. There's just this frame. It's when he beats Ultraman and it's in the end of the last trailer where he's like floating and like he does like that reverse, that reverse float. But like he's floating he's looking down into like the abyss and I'm like that's, that's Superman, like that's actually. Like I was smiling in the theater, like that. I was like that's Superman, like they actually nailed it and like my brain can only work in the theater. Like that, I was like that's superman, like they actually nailed it and like my brain can only work in the board. So I'm like, just I was like that frame I don't know what that like.
Speaker 1:I felt like paul atreides, like mine, getting unlocked, like I don't know what that frame like unlocked, seeing aaron pierre as green lantern with him, and then like seeing you know whoever they get to play the flash and like hopefully it's like Adria Adjorna gets to play Wonder Woman and like Brandon Skliener playing Batman and like this Justice League against, like the Injustice League of Lex Luthor and whoever they get to play the Joker and you know all these characters and like how comic booky and unapologetically comic booky this movie is and unapologetically comic book-y this movie is. Seeing that over and over. Like I was thinking about it the other day. I was like I think what James is going to do is he's only going to direct the event movies now, like the only time he will step back into the director chair. I think he's just going to write. Like he's going to write and structure and advise and then once the Justice League movie comes, he's going to direct that justice league movie. I think he's gonna be like I'm just I need to narratively weave these little pieces and I don't care what he says.
Speaker 1:I saw it in this movie. I saw his groundwork. He was very strategic about the ground and you can tell by the I watched the whole premiere the way they were talking about the characters. They were like well, I don't know yet and I was like that's a very interesting way to put it, like I don't know where it's going yet, I don't know where my character's going yet, but I got this trust in James. I was like he's got something in his, he's got something up his sleeve.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely, he's got this event thing, and I don't think it's going to do something interesting. What do you want the team-up movie to be? I actually have in my mind what I think the team-up movie should be.
Speaker 2:So I guess it would depend on a fucking Justice League. The first Justice League movie you would have Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Flash, Green Lantern, Hawkgirl, and then that's it. Flash, Green Lantern, Hawkgirl, and then that's it.
Speaker 1:I think that because of this, and then you have to inform yourself, much like Infinity War was informed on Black Panther. I think Mr Terrific is going to be a member of the Justice League Because of how popular he's about to become.
Speaker 2:I think Brainiac makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1:For a Justice League movie. I think they're going to make sure Brainiac's the villain of the second Superman movie. I think that's going to be like, because we've never seen Brainiac like true form Brainiac yet in live action. That's very true, we've. You know we got. Obviously Supergirl did Brainiac a little bit, but we haven't even Superman and Lois. I'm very surprised they didn't touch Brainiac a little bit, but we haven't even Superman and Lois. I'm very surprised they didn't touch.
Speaker 2:Brainiac they said they were going to. That would have been a season five, it was going to be Darkseid and then the introduction of Brainiac, I think which yeah, I'm actually really surprised they didn't touch him.
Speaker 1:But again, I think that whatever the that'll be the lineup, and then I think the only change you might make is you might swap out mr terrific, and then you know what they could do. He could say I'm gonna run two teams at the same time, I'm gonna do the justice league and then I'm gonna do the justice society and mr terrific's gonna be in the justice society that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2:that makes a lot of sense too, I mean, you know, because I just don't think you would touch a dark side or anything like that.
Speaker 1:No, no, I think he's smart about that. I'm sorry he knows where he came from too. Don't do that in the first team-up movie. You save that, that's dark side. You save any sort of crisis for the last movie.
Speaker 1:I think that the perfect storyline to pull from in the first film, the first team-up film, you do, you do justice by Jim Kruger and Alex Ross. You have this strategic plan and what you can do is this is the reintroduction of Lex Luthor back into the world fold, where he gets all the villains together and he's like you know what, if the world's not going to take to me, then the villains might take to me. And he systematically tries to take out the Justice League. Obviously, if you haven't read Justice by Jim Kruger, it's an incredible book and I mean obviously Alex Ross' art propels it into another stratosphere. But basically the Injustice League, kind of like they band together and they strategically take out each member of the Justice League, like they get. Um, what do they do? I think he gets.
Speaker 1:He basically wonder woman gets infected by centaur blood, by by cheetah. Like cheetah dips her fingers and and centaur blood and obviously she's too fast, so she infects wonder woman, so wonder woman's slowly dying. Um, they trap green lantern on the other side of the universe. Sinestro traps Green Lantern on the other side of the universe. Black Manta takes Aquaman's baby and threatens to kill him. So it's like each member of the Justice League is being taken out one by one and they basically I think something happens to Batman. I can't remember what happens to Batman in that book, but each member of the Justice League is like. I think that would be a perfect starter. You get villains against all the heroes as well too, because maybe you do Aquaman in that lineup as well too. I don't know if they don't want to touch Aquaman for a little bit.
Speaker 2:They've got to figure that out. They've also got to figure out and I mean to be honest, if James Gunn, if this is the look and feel do the freaking blonde cheesy King of Atlantis, aquaman, but don't make him a joke character.
Speaker 1:No, you're going to do Jeff Johns' new 52 Aquaman because he still has the look. He still has the look of the cheesy Aquaman, but Jeff Johns' Aquaman was like he was cool as heck. He doesn't mess around. No, he doesn't. He was an issue.
Speaker 2:So I think you do that like that the aquaman that has one arm with a fish hook for an arm.
Speaker 1:No, but in justice league unlimited, he had the one, he had the one arm, like. I wonder if they'll do it like um. Any actor you want to play?
Speaker 2:you want to play aquaman specifically I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I'd have to think about an Aquaman casting.
Speaker 1:You know who would always wanted to play Aquaman Alexander Skarsgård. Oh yeah, I think he would be a phenomenal Aquaman. I could see that. Is he too old? I think he's too old. Now, what is he? He's approaching 50 now. I think he's getting up there a little bit. Wyatt Russell, wow, wyatt Russell's a pull.
Speaker 2:I don't know if he'd do it. No, because John Walker is kind of a big deal right now, yeah, especially now, alexander. Ludwig, I could see that, I could absolutely see that.
Speaker 1:Alexander Ludwig would be fun. Maybe we can make this an episode where, like we, we now that, like we do a post seeing superman, like our like dcu build and now, knowing some more projects are confirmed, um, some more actors are confirmed, like we can do another dcu like build. Sure, I think we should do it without robert pattinson, like we should do true, like this is going to be the new, new direction for everything. I think think it would be a fun episode.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you right now I think Adriana or Adria Jorna should play Wonder Woman. I think that might be one of the most layup lob castings that you've ever had, especially after seeing her in Andor as well, too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and she was good in.
Speaker 1:Hitman.
Speaker 2:Yeah, hitman, yeah, she's great in that. She was also in morbius.
Speaker 1:She was in morbius she most definitely was in morbius the best. That's actually the best comic book movie, the best movie she's been in. Yeah, what has she been in one movie?
Speaker 2:morbius and or no, don't do this, it's close oh, it's not it's close, it's close, it's not that close um, I'm really excited for lanterns.
Speaker 1:I think that show is going to be absolutely dynamite yeah, yeah, yeah, I did, yeah, I think. So you want to talk about stealing an actor like before the other franchise got to him, like they stole aaron pier. The exact right time.
Speaker 2:Well, wasn't he going to be in Blade? Yeah, he was going to be the villain in Blade. Damn Blade coming back to bite Marvel in the ass Much like a vampire would. Come on, man.
Speaker 1:After Sinners came out. Come on, man. Did you see? You saw, marhersh Ali was at a premiere the other day and he was just like I'm waiting, like I'm waiting. What did he say? You got to talk to them about that. I don't know what's going on. I was like that should never happen.
Speaker 2:I don't know what's going on. It's only been five years. I don't know what's going on. Yeah, they swiped him. Yeah, so we're getting the Intern Show. We're getting Supergirl featuring Jason Momoa as Lobo Awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome. Seeing her in this movie and knowing what he's going to do with Lobo, it's going to be really fun.
Speaker 1:Oh, the two of them with each other, yes, oh, yeah, oh yeah, that's going to be a lot of fun. Oh, 100%, I can't wait to see. And again, this is getting me excited. Like james, you're a liar, because he was just like I wasn't thinking about other problems. Yes, you were jerk, of course, no of course you have to.
Speaker 2:Of course you were. When you're making a universe like this, you have to be thinking at least a little bit ahead.
Speaker 1:The best thing he did was make the decision to make this universe lived in already, because now I'm like well, how does this fit here? Who knows who? Already also they knew that clark, that he was clark kent, or at least guy the guy did.
Speaker 2:it's implied that he told them, because lois says why does he, why does he trust everybody? So I think it's implied that he just told them at some point, yeah, like while they were working together. Probably right, because, like, probably, like the way he saw it, they don't have secret identities, like they don't wear masks or anything like that, like they're just the Justice Gang. So he's like yeah, I'm Clark.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're a team now, and they were like well, you're not on the team. Guy said you're cut, you're not cool enough, you're cut from the team. So, yeah, I think it's just that he told them. Uh, I think, besides mr terrific, mr terrific's gonna keep that glorious suit that he has.
Speaker 1:But a great suit. I think the point might be for a hot girl specifically to be like you don't have to wear the. I think you know where. I think she's gonna get that in peacemaker. She might get her like, like her actual suit well, I mean the other thing.
Speaker 2:I mean the other thing to her kind of story is where's Carter Hall? Where's Hawkman?
Speaker 1:So we're going to find that out, and I want to know if they're going to do the reincarnation thing. Reincarnation baby. Come on, man. You can't quote Jonathan Majors anymore. It's been forbidden.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, super curious about that.
Speaker 1:Man, um yeah, yeah, super curious about that man. He's got me, he got me. Yeah, I'm asking questions about things and want to know they're gonna do a love story between john stort and and hawk girl?
Speaker 2:I heard that would make sense carter hall's somewhere, jerk, look out hawk man.
Speaker 1:It's vandal, savage, oh no how many times have you fought Vandal Savage 207?
Speaker 2:times.
Speaker 1:So many times? How many times has he killed you? 207 times.
Speaker 2:So many times you guys suck.
Speaker 1:Bro, is the Washington Generals. Are you guys ever going to beat the Harlem Globetrotters?
Speaker 2:Nope, the one time they did beat them, green Arrow and Flash helped Didn't count. No, it actually didn't count. Legends of Tomorrow that's fun. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Do you have any closing thoughts on the Superman movie?
Speaker 1:David Cornswet is Superman. He's not Chris Reeves reincarnated, he's just Superman, Clark Kent. Every casting director in Hollywood right now is probably on the phone like getting ready to call this guy and be like can you please, please, please, be in our thing. He's an incredible actor for all intents and purposes.
Speaker 2:He seems like a great man. He's got the. He's got the thing that I feel like all great Superman actors have had. It's the thing that Christopher Reeve had. It's the thing that, even though the movie wasn't that great, I think Brandon Routh had it. Ernest.
Speaker 1:Nist. Tyler Hoechlin had it in spades.
Speaker 2:Henry Cavill could have had it, I think.
Speaker 1:I think they were inching at it heavily for him.
Speaker 2:I think he could have had it. He got killed in the second movie, he got killed in the second. It's not his fault. But David Cornswet not necessarily has it. He just looks like Superman. He looks, feels, embodies Superman, and I think that's the thing that I took away from this movie. I think this is as far as just unabashedly unafraid of what it is and what it wants to be. It's right up there with Superman 78 as far as a Superman movie. Is it a better technically made movie than man of Steel? Maybe?
Speaker 1:Unfortunately I shouldn't say unfortunately, but man of Steel is like. The sequences in that movie put together are like. The visual effects are good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that movie looks very good On a technical level. Man of Steel. Technically it's up there. I don't know if it's technically better than man of Steel. I think it's a much more enjoyable movie than.
Speaker 1:Man of Steel oh, sure, sure, sure. You want to talk about the enjoyment of watching Superman fly around, and it just feels like Superman.
Speaker 2:In a way that man of Steel has moments where you're like, oh, there he is.
Speaker 1:Like the first flight in man of Steel. Yeah, give me more of that.
Speaker 2:Give me more of that. Like there's moments in man of Steel where you're like, oh yeah, there he is. But this movie he's Superman all the time. There's never a moment where I'm like that doesn't really quite feel like Superman. Even the scene I know people bitched about him confronting Lex Luthor about crypto scene. They're like this is Superman and I'm like, yeah, he's standing up for a dog. How much more Superman do you want him to be?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was going to say have you never picked up a comic before? He's done stuff like that Also, Christopher.
Speaker 2:Reeve's Superman does that exact same bit. Yes, he does. Hackman probably plays it a little bit better. He plays it a little bit better than Nicholas Holt does. You think? So it's pretty good. It's pretty good when Reeve's Superman breaks through the door and Hackman's Luthor goes oh yeah, the door's open, come in, but the what dog bit, that's a pretty good. That's the type of thing people gotta realize. That scene is an homage to the 78 Superman scene. If you go back it's the same scene. Superman breaks through the door, lex is unperturbed, he's unbothered, and they kind of have this argument Where's the dog? Where's the dog? Where's the dog, luther the dog. So I know people, superman, we finally meet.
Speaker 1:People bitched about that scene, but like he still feels like superman even in that moment, superman gets mad and that the ending makes that like the contextual nature of that scene even better, because it's like that's not. He doesn't even really like crypto like he just doesn't.
Speaker 2:But and I also like, I also like that that's not their like. That scene about crypto is not their last time that they face each other. Because again, that first initial moment when he confronts lex, he's still not really sure who he is by the time he sees lex again and they have that kind of like idealistic duel duel. He knows who he is. That's why he comes at Lex much more calmly, because he knows he's doing the right thing and he knows what's right and he can articulate that in a way that he wasn't able to earlier, because he was upset. He was upset on multiple fronts. He was upset that Lex broke into his house. He was upset that his dog got kidnapped or his cousin's dog got kidnapped.
Speaker 2:I think he was more afraid of Supergirl than he was of anything. Sure, sure, that's his older cousin In hindsight and she's a loose unit. She is a loose unit. You don't know what she's going to do, no, so I think he was more afraid of her than anything. So I just think he felt unabashedly like Superman and I think that's the best compliment that I could give it and I really enjoyed it and it's what the movie needed to be to kind of. I mean, we talked about, leading up to this movie, the immense amount of pressure on this movie to deliver, because if this movie didn't deliver, that's it. Oh, it's over.
Speaker 1:It's over for.
Speaker 2:DC as a movie-making business. Besides, you can probably get away with another Batman movie, and it would have probably just been the Batman part too. Yeah, and that would be it. But you're not getting any type of Wonder Woman movie for a while. You're certainly not seeing the flash again. After the last movie, you're not seeing any of these other.
Speaker 2:But now he did with this movie what what he did with guardians of the galaxy, what he did with the suicide squad, and he relied on the titular character being the titular character. So obviously people are going to want to see Superman again. But now he's got people wondering about Mr Terrific. He's got people wondering about Green Lantern. He's got people wondering about Supergirl. That's his gift as specifically a comic book movie director is he finds ways to get people to care about these characters that usually don't get a lot of shine. Luckily I mean for him, luckily he was able to do it with the entire Guardians of the Galaxy. I think he was able to do it with the Suicide Squad, but you never, peacemaker, was the only one that you really needed to do anything with. I would have loved to see Bloodsport come back or whatever. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Who says, he might not?
Speaker 2:He might, but I don't think they needed explicitly to do anything with Ratcatcher or any of that other.
Speaker 2:They all kind of got their own shine in the movie. But it was clear Peacemaker was someone that clearly was going to be invested in. Harley Quinn was already established by that point, but he just has this gift man. He has this gift and he even said it leading know the Superman movie itself. He wasn't going to do it originally because he didn't have it, he didn't have what he wanted, and then one day it just clicked and you know that's. I think that's the mark of a really gifted writer. Right, you don't want to write something or create something if you don't have a true idea for what you want it to be.
Speaker 1:I think Ryan Coogler is really good at this. Apparently, they were talking a few days ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like, especially, you know, do the Mr Terrific movie. Do it Like, especially like Ryan Coogler. The reason his filmography is so versatile is because he's not going to write something unless he truly believes in it. He wasn't going to write Black Panther 2 if he didn't have an idea for it. He wouldn't do Black Panther 3 if he didn't have an idea for it. We didn't even know if he was going to do Black Panther 3 until a few months ago. By the grace of God, he Panther 3 until a few months ago when he and by the grace of God, he's got Denzel Washington in the movie now, so, which I'm sure is a lifetime dream for him to be able to work with Denzel. So James Gunn is the same thing like he wouldn't have done the Superman movie if he didn't have an idea for it. And seeing it, you see what the idea was. And now it's like it's. It's. I saw.
Speaker 1:I forget who said it, but I think someone said like this is this could be dc's iron man that's saying something too, and I want to reaffirm a point that I'd made a long time ago where I said people don't realize like that's superman, like, yeah, that's what I don't think people really get into, because you, you know, in our brains we've been so much of like Iron man, captain America, thor, like those were not the A-listers of Marvel.
Speaker 2:They were what they had left.
Speaker 1:Yes, they were what they had left in the divorce. Like that's Superman and like and it's over that, it's over a rights issue to the characters, anything like that. Like in the grand scheme of the world, the way the world's structured. Like if you go to a country and you hold up a Superman symbol, they're gonna know who that is. Like that's the point. And like to the point about it being the Iron man.
Speaker 1:Like the truthful nature of this is the fact that this movie works and the movie works as an unapologetic comic book movie is way more important than this just being a great movie Like he might've, just like Like he might have, just like I'm not talking like. We'll see If this movie makes a billion dollars. I'm going to reaffirm this point, but it's not just about this movie. If this movie hits a billion. And like they make the Brave and the Bold, they make a new Wonder Woman movie. Like they get to the Justice League. Like he saved that. Like he didn't just he didn't save just the dcu, he did, he saved warner brothers as a whole because they were in, they were in a bad spot. Like I know that probably the top exec said like you fail, like not only are you not going to make more movies like this?
Speaker 2:you might not make movies ever again yeah, and I mean it goes to the point like warner brothers was so, and I mean it goes to the point like Warner Brothers was so down bad that they were looking to the Rock to save DC. Just based on his, his aura, basically like his presence and his, his incredible gift for marketing and his passion for business.
Speaker 1:That doesn't equate to what the true power of movies are, though. No, and I think that's what James Gunn has. I think that's what David.
Speaker 2:Cornswet has. It's to the Rock's credit that he was able to get a movie like Black Adam as much eyes as it got. That was sheer, just him, oh sure.
Speaker 2:It wasn't because people were really looking forward to the movie. No, it was literally the Rock. He bought out freaking Times Square for a black adam promo. Like that guy, you can say what you want about him, but promotionally, like he's one of the most marketable movie stars in the world, right. And like black adam got made and got received the way it did and made as much money as it did, solely because of him you think they'll bring him back as Black Adam in that universe?
Speaker 1:No, I think his pride is too heavy. You know this is going to be a funny statement. I think John Cena, being the wrestler that turned actor in that universe, is going to prevent him from going and doing that.
Speaker 2:I would not be surprised if he finds Dave Bautista in this universe. Oh, 100%.
Speaker 1:I think, dave Bautista, what you could do for a Batman movie if you want to set it, if they're going to do the Brave and the Bold, you could obviously.
Speaker 2:I mean the Hugo Strange stuff is becoming overwhelming with Bautista Well you saw him in Blade Runner 2049, right?
Speaker 1:Who did he look exactly like in that movie?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Because he's, I know, like 15, 20 years ago people would be like Bane, but he's kind of aged himself out of the hulking brute character and now he's like an actor. So I feel like he could play like a psychological type Hugo, strange type character, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm specifically thinking about Blade Runner 2049, the doctor that he played in that movie, I think, but also could get his hands dirty a little bit. Yeah, I'd really like to see that. I wonder again, I'm going to go on the half that we're going to do a you know a different type of. We're going to do a DCU Batman. We're going to do Brave and the Bold, we're going to cast an actor as Robin or as Damian Wayne, all the all the nine, right. Going off that logic, I feel like Hugo Strange would be fun. I mean, we can cap it off Like what other? Any.
Speaker 1:Give me a storyline or characters that you want to see in the DCU, because after seeing this movie, like again, I just saw an incredible Superman movie, but like knowing what we know about, like what happened, like this is different than the feeling in 2008 for Iron man, cause that was like, wow, marvel just got one, and then, like they had a Nick Fury tease at the end. Like this is more important, like this is like this is different. It's not more important, I'd say, but it's a different type of more important.
Speaker 2:So I mean it's, it's they. Yeah, this movie did for Warner Brothers, I think, or is doing for Warner Brothers what Iron man did for Marvel as a company. Right, it's the company aspect, I think, is the more important thing. You know, I mean Iron man did a whole lot of. I mean Iron Man's probably the most consequential comic book movie of the 2000s.
Speaker 1:Well, it informed literally the trajectory of of modern media. Yeah, if you like, if I don't even care that that's a hyperbolic statement.
Speaker 2:I think that's a true statement that iron man literally changed the pop culture movie landscape of the world yeah, iron man might be the most consequential movie of the 2000s in terms of what it did, um, but in terms of like studio wise, like superman's doing could be saving warner brothers as a whole and reinvigorating. And you know, I think about this like. I think about it like pro wrestling, in the sense that, like marvel, I feel like has gotten a little bit complacent because not that dc is a direct competitor, but thinking about when marvel operated best was when the Snyder stuff was kind of around in the zeitgeist. Oh, I want to even double down on that point.
Speaker 1:And I remember 2016, the two movies that were coming, and I remember, I will never forget I was a senior in high school. Me and my friends went to go see Batman vs Superman on the day it came out, and I'll never forget it because we were like, wow, dc's about to just take out marvel. Like obviously, like both trailers had been out at the same time. We're like, look at this gray looking marvel trailer, they have no sauce left, they have no flavor left. And then like, look at the dcu, we got batman, superman, wonder woman. They look cool, they're acting cool. And you're like then, like now I'm older, and like, looking back on it, I was like it's lacking substance, like there was substance that was lacked.
Speaker 2:But then you look back at civil war and you're like the reason civil war works is the groundwork they had built for eight years up until that point and, to be honest, like no one's ever gonna admit this, but I think the reason they beefed up civil war the way they did to make it a quasi-Avengers movie, wasn't in response to Batman and Superman. So I mean, if this Superman movie even pushes Marvel a little bit, I think that's a win for everybody. Yes, and I think, honestly, the timing worked out the way it did, but I think Fantastic Four is already kind of a response to Superman Right In a lot of ways, because I think Kevin Feige and James Gunn are very good friends. Kevin Feige knows the talent that James Gunn is, so him knowing that James Gunn was going to make a Superman movie, kevin Feige was probably like, hey, man, fantastic Four is going to have to be stellar and it's going to have to be different than the stuff we've done in the last 5-10 years.
Speaker 1:And again we talked about the split of when we knew it was the thunderbolts. The thunderbolt it was between captain america and thunderbolts. I think that's when, um, bob eiger stepped back into like you can see a definitive split. You can see it a little bit in the finished product of ironheart 2 of like it feels like two different. Like you look back at thor, love and thunder. You look at ant-Man, quantumania and you're like, look at the quality of those movies and you're like this just doesn't add up to the budgets that these movies are producing. Then you look at the Thunderbolts. You look at the practicality. You look at Fantastic Four. They're using miniatures. Um, they have this incredible cast that they put together like if, and then you bring back the Russos, you bring back Robert Downey Jr for Doomsday.
Speaker 1:I think James Gunn was understanding. I also like to your point. I think Kevin Feige also was like hey, man, we need to respond with a heater, because if James gets and you know how I felt it was when we walked into the screening and everybody had a Superman shirt on yeah, the aura in the place was off the charts. Yeah, there's a guy behind us that was just saying I love that that's got to make Kevin Feige a little like we need something. Because, again to my point that I loved making that Superman. That is the most famous superhero to ever grace this planet. And if they can get that one right, who's to say they can't get the Wonder Woman movie right? Then the Batman movie right, then the Justice League movie right, and, who knows, in 10 years we might be the ones that they're like. Look at Marvel doing all this crap. At least we have the DCU to save us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. I mean, as far as other things that I'd want to see, I really want to see the Flash in this type of style, this type of universe imagine the cool stuff.
Speaker 1:You know who would be great at a Flash? But I never think he would do it. I think Edgar Wright would make an absolutely incredible Flash movie. I just think he would never, ever, ever do a comic book movie, especially after the Ant-Man thing Because they didn't let him make his Ant-Man movie, that he wanted to make. Any storyline specifically you want to see?
Speaker 2:Uh man, I'm trying to think I would want to see. I don't want to jump back up to Batman Tree, but I would want to see a properly comic book-y type. I would want to see an Arkham-style Batman movie when he's just going up against whoever. Don't make it too grounded, let him do some comic book-y shit you can kind of do a comic book-y version of Raid 2.
Speaker 1:You know the movie.
Speaker 2:Raid.
Speaker 1:I think I talked about this like you trap batman in arkham, like in art, like the greater arkham area for like, for like two hours, two and a half hours, and he has to literally fight his way out, I think would be an absolutely insane movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like. Give him like and give him all the stuff. Give him all the tools, give him all the gadgets. Let batman do some Batman shit. Obviously, the patents and stuff is tremendous. He does do some Batman shit. He's got the camera eye tech stuff. He's got the. Give him the electric gloves. Let him be grappling around, zipping around gargoyles and stuff. We need to see a good comic book-y Batman, I think.
Speaker 1:Okay, character that I think I need to see, I can finally hold on my Mr Miracle. I still, in my heart of hearts, low-key wish it was a live-action show, because I want to see them truthfully adapt the comic and I always had this dream that I feel like I don't know. It's just after watching the TV show Barry that I feel like Bill Hader understands the serendipity and the satire of what that comic was, and then, like I said, I think Dylan O'Brien would be the absolutely most perfect Mr Miracle. You can ask for, um, that being said, a character I think, um, I think.
Speaker 2:Martian Manhunter. I was going to say Martian Manhunter would be perfect.
Speaker 1:Um, who's Mr Milchak from? Um, from Severance, who was just the greatest character ever in mission impossible? Oh, um, I always forget his name. Um, I think he would be the absolutely perfect mr, or, uh, he would be the perfect martian manhunter. Um, he would be phenomenal. Uh, tramell tillman, yeah, tramell tillman would be the best martian manhunter. He'd be pretty great, especially in this universe, like, again, another actor that I think the studios are probably on the phone about, like making sure they get them in their movies, like, I think he'd be perfect. So, um, I think him as Martian Manhunter, I think for storylines, for something that James Gunn can weave, especially with my most anticipated project for the DCU post Superman as of right. The second is lanterns. I think it's blackest night and his lanterns, I think it's Blackest Night. I think, in a way, this universe is already lived in. It seems like he has a lot of stake in this lantern show, I think you might be able to make the first event movie Blackest Night and kind of like spin it.
Speaker 1:You know how a lot of elements of Thor's mythology dipped a lot into the Avengers movie. You could probably spin that where obviously Hal Jordan and Jon Stewart wouldn't be the main characters. It would have to be Superman and Batman whoever you have playing them and Wonder Woman. You could spin it maybe where their lore kind of takes the precedence as well too.
Speaker 1:I think Blackest Night would be that'd be cool and again to my point if you let james gunn, james gunn can get back to some of his horror as well too. Doing blackest night, I think would be fun. He can do all his gore and all his like, all his fun stuff in that as well, too sure. I mean, that's a big budget zombie movie, if you want to call it sure, yeah, everybody's zombies, everybody's zombies, mm-hmm yeah. We'll have to meditate on this a little bit deeper. Yeah, I think a DCU update as post-Superman DCU episode is due.
Speaker 2:Ten minutes on Ironheart. Yeah, yeah, I mean up top. Well, the last three episodes, I guess, because we kind of talked about the first three.
Speaker 1:Right, I mean up top the or the last three episodes, I guess, because we kind of talked about the first three. Right, I mean up top. The production value on this show is just amazing. Like they use every penny on this show. You can see it. That suit is amazing. The visual effects are finished. I loved it. They look so good.
Speaker 2:Makes me retroactively angry that they did the nanotech stuff with Iron man in the later Marvel movies. Yeah, it reminded me a lot of Iron.
Speaker 1:Man 1. Or he gets in the suit, he gets out of the suit. I like it. I like it so much. Dominique Thorne is just phenomenal as Riri Williams, and we talked about her arc.
Speaker 2:That's good man. I love that. She's an imperfect character. And who makes?
Speaker 1:questionable choices. We need more of that. We need more, especially in our heroes See, I'm of two accords, because obviously we need more. We need more of that and we need more Like we especially in, like our heroes, like we need a little like, see, I'm of two accords because, like, obviously we just saw Superman and I'm like a character that's just good to be good, like, but that's Superman, that's Clark Kent, of course he's good to be good, like I like the fact that you might get an Ironheart. That that's like she's going to make a bit of more, like she'll save people and she's doing it for the right reason, but she's also young. She's also going about it the wrong way and I mean we can just get the spoiler warning right out of the way when the devil comes knocking on the doorstep.
Speaker 1:I don't care what most of you said. Some people are going to listen and some people are going to take the deal. And they did it. Sbc the deal and they did it. Sbc man. Sbc came in asha, baron cohen I loved it. What a way to introduce him as well, too. And like, that also opens up a whole new can of worms where, like, who else did he get to who else in the mv did he get to and make deals with?
Speaker 2:yeah, I think I thought he came in, just came in. You would tell that they definitely studied a lot of tom ellis and lucifer to kind of round out, I mean right down to like him staring.
Speaker 2:Have you ever seen lucifer like? He has a bit where he like stares into your eyes and he's like, tell me what you, tell me your deepest desires. Like buffisto does the same thing to um, he does it to parker robbins and he does it to riri, where he does that to them um, but I thought he was great, like I'm excited to see more of him.
Speaker 1:He had like this trust to him where he's like you know what you? Can you listen? I'm just here to help, I just need something from you, but you don't even a little person like the spoon.
Speaker 2:When he does the spoon flip and you see his true Mephisto form and the reflection of the spoon. I thought it was pretty cool. Yeah, I can't believe they did it. I know After all these years.
Speaker 1:WandaVision eat your heart out. I can't believe they did it. Yeah, Insane. And they did it in the Ironheart show to help that show as well. Too Sure To get more viewers on that show, get more looks. Because I saw all the YouTubers going on like reacting to episode six of Ironheart. They kind of structured it the same way they did Agatha where, like the episode five was like the show's ending and then episode six was like the character's actual catharsis, which I thought was pretty interesting. They kept Parker.
Speaker 2:Robbins around.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Which I appreciate, yeah, which I appreciate, yeah, the character they have playing, Zelma as well too, or the actor they have playing Zelma. I think they're going to go forward with that Strange Academy show. We got to really dip into this magic side of the MCU because, like to your point.
Speaker 2:You have been Yep. It's the most consistent stuff that they have Is the mystical side.
Speaker 1:And what this does is recontextualizes it too, because, like, it's also about like Now it's so normal, like we talked about Superman being lived in Like the MCU, we actually watched it be lived in In the last. How many years In the last? What 17 years, sheesh.
Speaker 2:The MCU is almost old enough to drink.
Speaker 1:Are they doing that on purpose? What 17 years? Yeah, sheesh, sheesh. The MCU is almost old enough to drink. Yeah, are they doing that on purpose? So that way, seeker Wars is 20 years after Iron man came out. I guess I think they're waiting for a 20-year anniversary. Wow, 20 years. That's insane.
Speaker 2:I saw Iron man 1 when I was 9. There's so many, this opens the door for so many. It opens the door, obviously, for C'thun to show up at some point, do you?
Speaker 1:Do you make what you could plausibly do, especially on the road to Secret Wars? I think, doctor Strange, you've got to which you could plausibly do, especially on the road to to secret wars. Um, I think, dr Strange, like, you got to pull on that thread as much as you can, because that character is going to be in four I mean, multiverse of madness is probably the most informative going into wars. Um, so do you just say, hey, we got Sasha Baron Cohen locked down, he's on our side. Do we just do doctor strange three? You already have, you also have, um, you have charlie's throne as well too. Like, yeah, do you just do doctor strange three, mephisto, like them versus mephisto, and but you have the backdrop of the multiverse collapsing yeah, and maybe mephistoisto like offers strange a deal yeah, oh, you know what you can do, instead of it being I forget from the time runs out Hickman comics, who offers strange bargains.
Speaker 1:For what if Mephisto's like I'm the one that can give you ultimate power to you? Know, I can make, I can help you fix the universe, because we don't know what he can do? No, I mean, it seems like he's.
Speaker 2:He can do anything.
Speaker 1:He's pretty all-powerful, he can bring people back from the dead. Yeah, so, man, I mean, because isn't there a movie on the slate that nobody knows what it is and it's supposed to come out before Secret Wars? Does I think so? Yeah, do you just do Doctor Strange 3, you, you make Sachin Berard co-own the villain and you say, like I'm about to help you save the multiverse.
Speaker 2:There was a. Obviously, the premise of the show was combining tech and magic, but there was an alarming amount of Doctor Strange-isms. Down to the Zelma character, like a Zelma character who is very intertwined, To the point where this feels like it's going to intertwine, Like the next time we see Riri Williams might be in Doctor Strange 3.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, we also need a season two of that show. I don't know if we're going to get it?
Speaker 2:I hope we do. I hope we do too, but I don't know if we're going to get it.
Speaker 1:I think because they switched to the Marvel television. Thinking, I think we will.
Speaker 2:I hope so. I just don't know. I just you know.
Speaker 1:Right man, right man man. When I saw man Just do Dr Strange Call it. Time runs out Like Charlize Theron, benedict Cumberbatch versus Sacha Baron Cohen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, again, like maybe you see Riri again, like he realizes she messed up, she goes to Zelma. Like I need you to bring me to Dr Strange Because he can.
Speaker 1:He's got to know that there's a demon running around and then Dr Strange is like there's nota demon running around. It's the demon that's running around. I'm not helping any more teenagers. No, I'm sick of it, she's like, but I'm 22. Fair, fair.
Speaker 2:I'm in, but no man, I really enjoyed the way that show ended. I liked that. I liked it in a sick way. I liked that she took the deal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it just makes it. She made a very human decision. Yes, she did. It's the complexities. It's the complexities of such a simple one.
Speaker 2:Because she was prepared to let her go. She was prepared to let Natalie go until she lost her again through the AI getting erased and she could not let her go again. She couldn't let her go twice. Right, and Mephisto was able to bring her back.
Speaker 1:I wonder where this goes. I hope they just do a season two. I just wonder what the approach is going to be. But yeah, maybe it is a Doctor Strange thing and it's a good contention for Doctor Strange to get the tech part of it as well too. Liked it. Liked Ironheart quite a bit Alden Einreich as Zeke Stane. He got the comic lightning nano infusion thingies.
Speaker 2:I liked it, I liked him. I think he's good. I think he's a good actor.
Speaker 1:You heard he was supposed to the original plan for Captain America 4 was that he was supposed to be the leader of the servant society yeah, they could still weave him into that stuff, they could, maybe he's the, maybe he's the one that in like he takes the servant society and he like implants them with like actual power. Yeah, and then they're like the start, of captain, hopefully we get another sam wilson America movie, but maybe the start of that one's like now the service society is back, but we're a problem now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like that show a lot, man. I like the weird crew, I like the Hoods crew, I liked all those like they all had, like they're all weird kind of tics and gimmicks, the White Castle sequence was awesome.
Speaker 1:I thought that was cool. I really liked that. And gimmicks the White Castle sequence was awesome. I really liked that. I thought that was cool. I like that. Like you know, this is something stupid, but like I like that Riri can fight a little bit, like just a slight bit, it's like when Tony fights it's because she's smart, like she's just an intrinsically smart human being, so like.
Speaker 1:But like I don't know why I took it this way. I feel like we so forward in that world where the most common of people can fight a little bit, because everybody is always fighting in that universe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, but no, I really liked it. I want to see more for that character and obviously we're going to we're almost certainly going to see more Mephisto regardless.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I wouldn't even be surprised if Mephisto finds his way. Yeah, I wouldn't even be surprised if Mephisto finds his way into Secret.
Speaker 2:Wars.
Speaker 1:It's not the fact that it's Mephisto, I think it's the fact that it's Sacha Baron Cohen even boosts that even more. The chances of they know that we got this off in an Ironheart and we saw the reaction to that. We put him in a movie as the main villain.
Speaker 2:Totally, totally agreed. That's going to do it for us this week. You can follow us on Twitter at Project INF underscore pod. You can follow us on Facebook. You can follow us on Instagram at the Project Infinite pod. You can follow us on TikTok and YouTube at the Project Infinite podcast. Next week is the week before Fantastic Four.
Speaker 1:We have two options we can do a post-Superman episode or we can do a pre-Fantastic Four episode, Just because we've never touched it.
Speaker 2:I kind of want to talk about the Fantastic Four. Maybe we talk about the movies, yeah, and kind of just not just the movies but just the. I mean the movies but also just the history of that group on screen and how we never really thought that this movie that's coming out would ever happen no no, um, because it took a lot to wrestle these characters away from fox, yeah, um.
Speaker 2:So I kind of want to revisit those first two fantastic four movies. Talk about them, talk about the impact that they had, talk about how they're low-key, kind of good.
Speaker 1:I think if you're using the mentality of the product of their time, it's the best. Like they're very, they're very like fun and dumb and I really appreciate that. I also think that Yohan Griffin is the perfect Mr Fantastic. I think he is phenomenal as Mr Fantastic.
Speaker 2:I think they're all phenomenal in their own way, besides Jessica Alba.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I hate to touch on that. She is. I don't think it's her fault.
Speaker 2:No, no no, not at all. I don't, and we'll talk about this probably more next week, but I think they, Fox, did not understand the character of Sue Storm and they just wanted a hot woman.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they wanted a supermodel to be, you know.
Speaker 2:And she's just there to look good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they do the nude bit over and over again.
Speaker 2:People are constantly commenting on her looks, so I just don't think the studio really cared for the character of Sue Storm.
Speaker 1:No, no, which is super unfortunate.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that's a pretty big stamp against those movies, michael Chiklis is the.
Speaker 1:He is Ben Grimm. He is the rock of that team.
Speaker 2:He truthfully is he is the most Ben Grimm looking human I think I've ever seen. Yeah. And then this is Chris Evans in his best early 2000s dickish glory that he was very well known for at the time, where he was just an arrogant prick in every movie that he was in. And it's Chris Evans at his peak powers before he becomes Captain.
Speaker 1:America. It's so crazy that he transitioned into Steve Rogers after that. It is nuts Three years within itself as well, too. That's crazy. Yeah, it's insane that movie Fantastic Four Rises of the Silver Surfer before Iron man did Same thing with Spider-Man 3. It's so crazy.
Speaker 2:And then obviously we'll have to dedicate a lot of time to Cloud galactus why, we don't know. Well, we're gonna talk about it um next week when we talk about the weird and interesting history of the fantastic four on film. Um, leading up to, obviously, marvel's Fantastic Four the first steps. So that's going to do it for this week. Really enjoyed Superman. Go see it Be. Just like a good fun time, great for all ages. I could definitely see this being a kid's first introduction into superhero movies, but Zack Snyder made an adult version of.
Speaker 1:Superman being like a kid's first introduction into superhero movies. But Zack Snyder made an adult version of Superman and I was like when did you fall in love with Superman? When I was a kid? Oh, whoop.
Speaker 2:So yeah, that's what I think. So for me from the, I gotta be real careful here.
Speaker 1:Yo, you don't have to this time.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, do you want to be Mr Terrific? I do Cool. Is he cool? I'm the god dang, mr.
Speaker 1:Terrific. And he was Yo, he was so cool, he was so cool.
Speaker 2:RIP Curtis Holt. You're no longer, mr Terrific.
Speaker 1:No, no, no.
Speaker 2:I'm the god damn, mr.
Speaker 1:Terrific. Yo Yo, he was the best part of that movie.
Speaker 2:I'm not messing around, I'm doing real important stuff.
Speaker 1:Hey, quit, messing around man.
Speaker 2:He was great. Yeah, the Mr Terrific of the podcast, fair play, cool suit.
Speaker 1:Cool suit. I like it. He's gonna keep that suit and I think the two of them died.
Speaker 2:Looks like they ripped him right out of the Al Jarreau drawing Dude it's insane.
Speaker 1:Now, why in Arrow did they give him cornrows, but he had his afro going into missions, but then he had the time to put his hair like that.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I don't know why they did a lot with that character that they did in Arrow. To be honest, he's definitely not as cool as he is in this.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no, no, no, Not even close man.
Speaker 2:I know he explained why he had the fair play jacket in Arrow, but I can't, for the life of me, remember what he said.
Speaker 1:It's the freaking Wait. It's different right. It's different from the I don't know man. Whatever, I'm on a DC kick now. I might just. I was watching the Flash the other day. I might just start. Come on man, the movie no.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, good.
Speaker 1:I was watching the TV show.
Speaker 2:There's never a reason to go back to that movie, ever. No, it's bad, bad movie. Alright, guys, we'll see you next week for Fantastic Four preview stuffs. Until then, goodbye Peace.
