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156 - Marvel's First Family: The Fantastic Four's Rocky Road to Marvel Studios
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What happens when Hollywood repeatedly misunderstands what makes Marvel's First Family work? Fantastic Four: First Steps is upon us! With just about a week until maybe the most consequential MCU movie since Infinity War, we look back at the struggles that Marvel’s First Family has had in live action. From the (purposely) unreleased 1994 film, to the somewhat cult classics of the mid-2000’s, to the doomed Fant4stic, we examine what these movies got wrong and what we THINK First Steps will have gotten right when it’s all said and done. We explore a fascinating 30-year saga of missed opportunities, financial maneuvering, and creative missteps. From the never-released 1994 Roger Corman production to Tim Story's colorful but flawed 2000s duology to Josh Trank's disastrous 2015 reboot, the Fantastic Four's journey to the big screen reveals much about Hollywood's evolving relationship with comic book source material.
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0:00 Intro
04:25 The Troubled History of the Fantastic Four in Film
07:14 The Unreleased Fantastic Four (1994)
09:11 Fantastic Four (2005)
31:36 Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007)
47:57 Josh Trank’s Ill Fated Fant4stic (2015)
56:21 Fantastic Four Post Fox (Dr. Strange and Deadpool & Wolverine)
01:01:35 Fantastic Four: First Steps (2025)
01:26:00 Signing Off!
Topic for Next Week: Fantastic Four: First Steps REVIEW
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Speaker 2:Hello everybody and welcome back to another episode of the Project Infinite Podcast, the podcast covering the infinite and ever-expanding multiverse of fandom For movies, comics, tv shows, video games. We've got you covered. I'm Rob. I'm here, as always, with Court and Court from Superman we're launching right into the Fantastic Four. Yep, it's that time it's July. We knew this was coming. You knew this was coming, pete. Yeah, we did, where Superman I mean Jurassic World Rebirth kind of kicked it off and then Superman kind of took it and is running with it and now we're going right into the Fantastic Four. In a week this movie is finally coming out, fantastic Four First Steps, directed by Matt Shackman. Obviously, it's the first Fantastic Four movie under the Marvel Studios banner. A lot of you know, a lot has been said about how this movie, you know, kind of paired with Thunderbolts, is kind of like a new era, I guess, for Marvel.
Speaker 1:Sure sure, it seems like the era in which quality matters, which, you know, I never thought a conversation like that was going to be had. But I'm overtly excited for this movie. We have been since the beginning, since it was announced. Obviously, we were very keen to see what an MCU Fantastic Four would look like. I think we kind of were theorizing from the beginning. Obviously they wouldn't be in the main universe, which is fine and I think it's going to. You know, obviously, post-secret Wars, I think they'll be in the main 616 along with the X-Men.
Speaker 1:But I think the true nature of my excitement for this film was, I think it kind of got doubled post-casting. Obviously, we talked about Vanessa Kirby as Sue Storm, we talked about Evan Moss Brockrock as the Thing, two incredibly inspired castings, and even, you know, joseph Quinn and Pedro Pascal, which some people were, you know, iffy on. But post, you know the first trailer, I think everything is turned around. I think people are on board. They understand, you know how important this film is to Marvel right now. Like they, they need this one, they need it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and notwithstanding the castings of Julia Garner and Ralph Inneson as well, notwithstanding the castings of Julia Garner and Ralph Inneson as well, um seems like in the last you know, which I'm, I'm happy happy to see, by the way um, given when Julia Garner was first cast, people were like not a woman, silver surfer, right, um, but it feels like she's really kind of endeared herself to the, to movie going public. In these last you know, we've seen a lot, not really a lot of her, but more like the same clip where people are like, oh, she's, she's cool, she's, she's, yeah, she's bringing, she's bringing something to this, yeah, and then, obviously, we have not yet heard the voice of Ralph, innocent as Galactus, but incredible restraint from the studio to most times.
Speaker 1:You know, the studio I mean I say that as if they didn't have franklin richards be the main marketing piece for the back half of this.
Speaker 2:But yeah, um, which is interesting. So I'm curious, because there does seem to be. You know, it seems like galactus. Obviously you get ralph einesen for the voice, um, among many other things, ralph Innocent is great, but there does seem to be, at least in this last clip they released a dialogue between Galactus and the Fantastic Four, which I'm very keen to see, to be honest, how that even plays.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. I'm super looking forward to this movie. I hope it performs financially, I hope it performs critically and, you know, for audiences as well too. It's got a lot going for it as well too. And this is the last movie before Doomsday, which is insane to even think about. That this is we're not going to get a Marvel movie for a year and a half. Yeah, I guess so, and that's even barring, furthermore, that Doomsday doesn't get delayed even further.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, yeah, that's also crazy to consider.
Speaker 1:You Right. Yeah, that's also crazy to consider. You don't think they could? Oh, brand New Day. Excuse me, spider-man, they moved it, so Brand New Day comes out in between, so it'll be this. That's a good three-movie spin right there. This to Spider-Man, to Doomsday.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a good run. So, in the spirit of Fantastic Four coming out, we thought we would look at the tumultuous history of the Fantastic Four on film, spearheaded predominantly by the handling over at 20th Century Fox when they had the rights. We don't really have any news this week to talk about. So we did get some Emmy nominations came out. The Penguin and Severance are kind of leading the charge.
Speaker 1:Yep, pedro Pascal, in limited time, got nominated, but Diego Luna, who was the lead of that show, did not get nominated.
Speaker 2:That was a big call out, a little confusing there. Forrest Whitaker did get nominated for.
Speaker 1:Brandor, which I thought was interesting out of all the no, it's the best one. It's the best nomination from them Interestingly.
Speaker 2:No love for Isabella Merced, no love for Isabella Merced.
Speaker 1:No, I was actually very surprised. I thought she was phenomenal, and not only myself, but many other people thought she was phenomenal, as Dia.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that was. That was surprising. Um, I'm I'm hopeful that Andor gets some love in this. I don't know if it will. Um, due to the kind of stigma around science fiction when it comes to these awards, yeah, um, and the Emmys and the Oscars. When it comes to these awards, yeah, um, and the emmys and the oscars, but, um, I think and or kind of really captivated not just star wars audiences, not just, you know, science fiction audiences, but, I think, and or really captured general audiences with its. You know the um, you know the, the subject matter, um, the real life parallels and then obviously the, the incredibly high production value, um, out of that show, yeah, and or doesn't even seem real sometimes, and you know it doesn't even seem correct in the star wars universe as we have it right now.
Speaker 1:But that's the beauty of star wars is how broad it is as well too, and I it's just amazing to understand that shows like that can confide in the same universe. So you can get a show like the mandorian, you can get a show like Andor, you can get a show like Skeleton Crew three tonally completely different shows but still confided in the same Star Wars universe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I think that's we'll see. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 1:So the Fantastic Four in film. What a tumultuous history.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I mean it all goes back to this deal that Marvel made, you know, in the 80s and the 90s, with most of their properties that they could not function with. So they had to sell the rights to many of their characters. So the Fantastic Four ended up in the hands of Bernd Eichner and was sold to him for a paltry $250,000 at the time. And basically what happened was this starts the run of Fantastic Four movies where basically whoever ends up with the rights to the Fantastic Four it started with Bernd Eichner, it ended up with Fox. You know there was a proviso in the, in the deals that hey, you have x amount of time to do something with with these with this license that we've given you. So um, eichner taps roger corman who to in 1992 to make a fantastic four film, um, to kind of honor that commitment, right, um? And you know, by all, by all accounts, this was a sham a sham it was a facade it was, which I think is the funniest version of this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, they spend a million dollars on this movie. Um, they shoot for 20, I think, 21 or 25 days or something like that. Um, they do the filming. They don't even in-house produce the score. Um, that was all done by the, by the artist. Yeah, um, for like six thousand dollars or something like that.
Speaker 2:Um, and then this movie never gets released. There's a trailer? Yes, there is. There is various promotion. There's never any type of red carpet event. No, explicitly there was, there was. The actors were told not to attend any type of premiere or red carpet events. Any promotion that the actors were to do for the movie was on their own dime, whether it's going to conventions or anything like that. And, yeah, this movie never gets released. Um, it just, it just goes away.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, crazy story behind that first, that first 1994 movie. Right, the film industry is insane. I know it's nuts. Um, bootleg footage has made its way onto the internet over time. Um, but for all intents and purposes, this film has been forever buried um, by by all parties involved. Um, just as a means of not losing the rights to Fantastic Four. Um, which is, which is wild Um. And then 20th Century Fox teams up with with, with Iger, and 10 years pretty much 10 years later we get the the fantastic four that pretty much everyone knows Right Um, 2005 fantastic four film um, directed by Tim story of barbershop fame Yep Um, and obviously starring Yohan Griffith, jethic Alba, chris Evans, michael Chiklis and the late Julian McMahon. Um, so I guess we could just start with this 2005 movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean you know, I love when we kind of uh, you know, we look back in history and look back at these films, because it's always. It's funny how many of these superhero movies are like ingrained childhood, childhood memories for me. Um, the fantastic four movies were. So I was like at that time I was obsessed with this fantastic four to like both these movies. I love them so much. I think I had to have been. I was probably seven, six, seven when this movie came out, um, and and then obviously, 2007, I think I was, I was eight when that, when the second one came out, um, so I was just, I was so in love with these movies, um, I just remember, I remember renting it and watching it for the first time and I kind of fell in love with who the fantastic four were. And then, obviously, as I got a little bit older, you know, youtube started to get bigger people. You know these bigger channels are starting to talk comic books. Before I can purchase them with my own hard-earned kid money, I was diving into the Fantastic Four lore. But that was my introduction to the Fantastic Four.
Speaker 1:And just talking performances first, I love Yohan Griffin as Mr Fantastic. I think he's quite a good Reed Richards, I don't know any other way to kind of surmise him. I think he, he, he's like he teeters this line in between like gratingly annoying science you know science nerd, like I think he gets the nerd piece down pretty well but then also like he's heroic. I think that's something that also is accentuated. But I also love that they don't shy away from him being like this cold, like not necessarily cold, but like he's. He's too encapsulated in his mind. I think the only miss from that is the fact that he it's like he's reading from like a script that says nuance does not exist here. So everything like every. There's no on the nose for this.
Speaker 2:He's got a it's, it's. We talked about superman last week when um talking about especially the early castings for superman, um, whether it's george reeves, whether it's kirk allen, whether it's and then christopher reeve obviously was was the one that they landed on in for the movies. Um, joan griffin also has the. He kind of just looks like reed richards syndrome. Um, I think I think he had a great look for the character which I mean in these early 2000s movies. That's like the superhero movies. It's almost kind of like what they were after, like whether it's the x-men, whether it's blade um, whether it's spider. Spider man is kind of, I guess, maybe the kind of the exception to that. I don't think Tobey Maguire really invoked Peter Parker energy when they cast him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he doesn't even really look like Peter Parker too. I like comic Peter Parker Like maybe some 60s iterations, but I don't think he overtly looks like Peter Parker, like comic Peter Parker.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I think you know Griffith, you know looks the part he acts the part. Some I think you know Griffith, you know looks the part he acts the part. Some interesting kind of tidbits around this movie was Peyton Reed, in 2001, was actually going to direct this movie Insane, which is a nice interesting little kind of butterfly effect of what that looks like, because he would obviously go on to direct the Ant-Man films. Mads Mikkelsen auditioned for the role of Reed, richards richards at one point, which interesting um, and then another kind of directing tidbit was sean astin was actually a candidate to direct this movie, um, who had never directed before um, and he just didn't end up doing it. And then an interesting little bit of news as we get to Avengers Robert Downey Jr was in fact initially considered to play Doctor Doom in this 2005 movie, which is insane.
Speaker 2:Imagine Well, you got to think if he does this, he probably never does Iron man. No, no, no, no, Because Iron man comes out three years later.
Speaker 1:Yeah, insane, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, imagine, yeah, man comes out three years later. Yeah, insane, right. Yeah, imagine, yeah, and now you know full, full circle moment, he is now gonna be portraying dr doom in in in the next avengers movie, which is kind of crazy, um, and then I mean, just just to show you we're gonna talk, yeah, I mean we're gonna talk about, um, the other cast members here in a minute, but yeah, I think Ewan Griffith does a really good job.
Speaker 2:You know, his, his, I think his Reed Richards kind of stands the test of time in a lot of ways that these other early, I think, castings of these comic movies really don't, where people I think kind of feel you know, in a different world he could have maybe either came back as reed richards or something. Um, I think he's, yeah, I think he's quite good in these, in this, in this, in the first movie, especially in the second film, um, obviously, I think the character goes in a little bit different of a direction, um, which is interesting. Um, but yeah, then we can just keep rolling down the cast list. Um, chris evans, chris evans, perfect casting question mark. Yeah, for the time, I think, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, so chris evans in 2005 is obviously just kind of in his uh, teen heartthrob kind of uh, rom-com era. Um, where he is is really making a name for himself as kind of just like if you need a jerk and how, in in your movie, you kind of cast chris evans, um, he's obviously not. Another teen movie is kind of where he kind of broke onto the scene, um, and then he does these fantastic four movies and then it's kind of, you know, it kind of takes off for him a little bit from there. Um, interesting, I mean.
Speaker 2:The interesting thing about him, though, is, even with fantastic four, you were always wondering if he was ever gonna break through as like a movie star, sure like after this he does rise of the silver server, he does TMNT, he does sunshine Um, he does street Kings, he does Scott Pilgrim, so he's kind of just kind of fluttering about, I guess like you would say maybe like the B tier. Yeah, I was like Hollywood um, until obviously captain America, and then his career explodes, yeah Right. Um, until obviously Captain America, and then his career explodes yeah right. But no, I think he's also good in these Fantastic Four movies. He doesn't really, I guess, do a ton in this first one.
Speaker 1:The second one feels a lot more Johnny Storm focused. Yeah, I think it feels more Johnny Storm-ish in the fact that he becomes like a good guy. I think he has to. I never feel like he finds his footing like a good guy like he. He actually like I think he, he has to. I never think like he finds his footing as like the good guy, like I feel like he does the supernova thing at the end because he just wants to do the supernova. It's not overtly to save anyone.
Speaker 2:And I feel like the best versions of johnny storm inherently their hearts are so warm and good it's the not to jump ahead to, to first steps, but I think it's the the john, johnny Stoneman that I think Joseph Quinn is really going to nail and I think that's kind of where they want him to end up. Right Is the nobility that ends up shining through in that character. Right Is what I think they're kind of going after when they considered, you know, joseph quinn for the role. I agree, um, and it's a place where evans gets to, I would say probably at the end of silver surfer, when obviously he gets all the powers and he fights doom and he kind of gets it. You know, um, which I think is great, um, michael Chiklis Phenomenal.
Speaker 1:He's great, he is phenomenal as Ben Grimm. He understands the melancholy of being Ben Grimm, I think the best that I've ever seen.
Speaker 2:Also, admittedly, chiklis was probably the only member of the cast that was a Fantastic Four fan To the point where he fought for a practical costume Shout out Michael Chiklis.
Speaker 1:Remember when he was in Gotham?
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was the police commissioner, right.
Speaker 1:For a little bit, I believe, and then he became a supervillain.
Speaker 2:Gotham got weird Gotham got extremely weird.
Speaker 1:Gotham got gothic for lack of a better term.
Speaker 2:Besides, I mean, outside of Jessica Album, probably the most well-known actor in this movie because of the shield, yeah and just yeah, I mean he's great, he's great, he is great, he, yeah, he exudes the melancholy of Ben Grimm. He exudes, like you know, he exudes the brutish side of Ben as well, which I think is great. Brutish side of Ben as well, which I think is great. Um, and you can tell he kind of he still maintains that Ben Grimm heart, oh, a hundred percent. And, like the Ben, that kind of holds everyone together. Yes, um, he's got him and Evans together are great in both these movies.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, the the relationship is great. I think Joseph Quinn and Evan Moss Bachrock are getting there, but more on like an advanced level of like they've been together for so long. So like Ben doesn't inherently hate him, but I love their relationship here because Ben kind of does hate him, but it's like his little brother, it's his annoying little brother. That's the best dynamic that they can have between the two of them, yeah, and it's. And then also ben also sees johnny's potential, especially in the second one. I think that's the true beauty of their relationship.
Speaker 1:And, like you know, obviously you're dipping into hickman's run and I know shackman's version has a lot of inspiration from it as well too. But one of the big things is when johnny sacrifices himself. You know ben is like but obviously everybody's sad. I mean sue just lost her brother. You know um reed, for all intents and purposes, is the leader of the team he just lost. You know, one of his team members. But ben is like particularly destroyed by the fact that johnny died and I think it's because he sees his potential. So I think you know that little bit in rise of the silver surfer at the end where he's just like flame on kid or no, no. In the first one he says, he sees, how great Johnny can be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and Ben is also kind of the. Obviously he is, because you know it's kind of the history in the comics but the through line of Doom kind of manipulating the team and he latches onto Ben because he he's like, hey, like I can make you normal again, right, like that's kind of what you want. He's got like the rogue, the rogue issue from the x-men movies where, like everyone else got these pretty cool powers and I'm a freak, right, um, so, like you know, you guys might not want to consider fixing yourselves, but like I need to be fixed, right, and that's kind of where the emotional kind of core of the movie comes from, right, um, when doom kind of sinks his hooks into den, specifically, um, yeah, no 100.
Speaker 1:and then I mean moving the last to the fantastic four onto jessicaba, good actress, just horrible content she was given.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean they, you know she was a product of of of the time, to be honest, like this is, you know, early 2000,. She was the eight girl, um, you know, she, she, you know doing dark angel, kind of just propelled her to this super stardom Right, um, leading into essentially them casting her in the fantastic four because she was pretty like I don't think they really had any attachment or no desire to make her feel like Sue storm at any point in these movies. Um, which is a shame because right before fantastic four comes out in the same year, um, she puts in a really nuanced performance in sin city, yes, Um, which again kind of just kept kept her going as far as you know her superstardom. But yeah, she was. She's really done a pretty big disservice in these Fantastic Four movies. Very often she's relegated to kind of these physical gags surrounding her powers.
Speaker 1:And specifically nudity behind it, which is just absolutely disgusting. That that's what this character is relegated to, and I mean the excitement for Shackman's version out of Vanessa Kirby, the power that's behind it. I wish that Jessica Alba like that, like truthfully, like. This is why Doomsday and Secret Wars excites me, because it's giving them one more chance, hopefully to show realized versions of what they could have been and what they should have been as well too.
Speaker 2:Yeah for sure. Yeah, she. Just in both these movies she's kind of relegated to just kind of like B-plot. You know she's kind of just there to.
Speaker 2:Depending on the mood of the scene, she's either there to support Reed or she's there to kind of just lay into him a little bit, yeah, when he needs to be laid into, like she doesn't really have any. I wouldn't say she has any like discernible arc of her own, like we kind of talked about. Johnny kind of gets an arc across these two movies, ben obviously does, I think Reed does. It's just she's just kind of there to be the wife.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And she's a there to be the wife and she's be there just to be the sexually you know comedic relief, which is just not what you want.
Speaker 2:No, from, from, from sue storm, um. And then I guess just to round out kind of the main cast, we get julian mcmahon as victor von doom, who is great, what I would have given for for that, like julian uh mcmahon, to be the comic version of Dr Doom.
Speaker 1:In terms of the actors and I'm not thinking like forward thinking to when Robert Downey Jr obviously steps in like forward thinking he probably would have been the best, like straight up ripped from the comic doom that we would have got. I love his look like that man exudes Dr Doom energy more than anybody I've ever seen.
Speaker 2:He really does Um, he plays off of Yoma Griffin really, really well, I think, um again, it's just.
Speaker 1:I just don't think it's a character that those that developed this movie no, really understood oh, that's, and you can talk about the product of the time, like it's just something for the good guys to be. Is dr doom? You know what I? Mean like he doesn't even really feel like an art character at all and that's kind of one of the through lines of all these movies.
Speaker 2:I mean, obviously these two are set in the same universe, but even the 2015 film that we're going to talk about later, for some reason they just can't get the Doctor Doom thing down, and I don't understand why.
Speaker 1:Well, I know why it's because everybody was afraid to do the comic origin. Nobody wanted to do actual comic book Doctor Doom.
Speaker 2:I do the comic origin. Nobody wanted to do actual comic book, dr doom, I mean even this, even this iteration that's coming out seems to be running from that a little bit.
Speaker 1:I don't think overtly, I mean, I still think it's gonna be. You know, dr doom, all I think the change is gonna be to theorize real quick is that tony stark, like whatever his ancestry would have been, it just would have been. You know, it's just a lot like his. His mother's maiden name was, was von doom. There's something you know like I don't think it's going to be an overt, crazy change. It's just he grew up in latveria instead of america. They could pull from the comics where he's not like howard stark, wasn't his real father either and that, like you know, howard stark adopted him from latveria and you know he was this, adopted him from Latveria, and you know he was this genius boy from Latveria, so he adopted him. So that's all you remember is like this version would just be. He didn't get adopted from Latveria.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that could be. So his whole thing is he's becoming a metal man. Yeah, in this movie. Yeah, which again I don't't understand.
Speaker 1:Just do the comic book thing yeah, he doesn't need to be, and even if you want to stray away from the magic, you should have probably just went tech heavy if you were gonna do it right. Yeah, I don't understand the electrocute electric powers yeah, he gets electric powers, it's.
Speaker 2:It's so weird that they just all these movies, all these, you know, all these movies, all these, you know, all these movies have been made over the course of history about these superheroes and for some reason, dr Doom is just the one character they can't crack. For some reason, I don't understand it.
Speaker 1:I mean that in the Phoenix as well too, like I don't think. No, yeah, that's a great point, but again that going to the point like it's like almost like a sitting to go full comic book on this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that's how he ends up becoming Dr Doom. Is he's having this organic metal issue where he's becoming a weird metal man? The costume, I think, looks pretty good I think the costume is good. It's much better than the 2015 version that we're going to talk to or talk about in a little bit. And yeah, I mean they. This is the origin of the fantastic four. This movie, like we get the spaceship we get, and then by the end of the movie they are kind of full-fledged in the public eye superhero not even.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think the the bridge scene kind of supplants them, as, like these celebrities, it's actually a bit poignant like the way they become celebrities, like this viral thing happens on the internet or on tv, way they become celebrities, like this viral thing happens on the internet or on tv and we're just like no, you guys are the new celebrities now yeah, they kind of got the.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they kind of like forced into it, um, and then doom ends up going back to laveria, which sets up the sequel in 2007 rise of the silver Silver Surfer. I should mention that this movie did very well. By the way, when it came out, the budget was around $87 million, which sounds paltry compared to superhero movies today, where we just had a Superman movie with a $220-some-odd million budget and that's relatively low budget and that's without the marketing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's relatively low budget by today's standards, and then it ended up grossing about 333 million dollars. A shame it couldn't be 444 million dollars. Yeah they would have got the third movie, if that would have happened you know what I was thinking about too when I was thinking about julian mcbann is doomed, and like I was thinking, like he just again to your point like he just looks villainous, like in the same way that Jason Isaacs, who played Lucius Malfoy in the Harry Potter movies, just looks treacherous. It's a great lane to be in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when you're an actor like that, yeah, yeah, yeah, they pulled it again for another Marvel project in the Runaways for him, and he was great, he was great, he was outstanding.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was. What's her name's father? Oh, her real father. Yeah, her real father. Yeah, that show's great. We're gonna talk about that show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we have to Runaways. Runaways did a Cloak and Dagger crossover the young adult sect of the MCU. Spin them back around. Get Kamala Khan involved in that. Get Kate Bishop, get Riri Williams back involved in that. You guys might have some. You guys might be in a in a fun realm over there yeah, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2:Um, anything else you want to say on the 2005 movie before we move on to silver star?
Speaker 1:no, I think we covered everything. I think it's. I think it's funny. I think it's pretty funny, it's fun. I just think tonally it's all over the place, like it doesn't understand what type of movie it wants to be yeah, and I mean it.
Speaker 2:It it's certainly not a movie that would have survived the like 2010 era of superhero movies. No, that movie would have gotten nuked.
Speaker 1:If it came out like towards the mid to late 2010s, it would have been eviscerated as well too. But again to the point, if you were to release this movie in 2025, that could be a whole different type of reception, yeah yeah, yeah, it would have.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe it could have invoked kind of like a like a superman-esque response like look how comic booky and fun this is. Um, they would just have to probably massage the sews, storm stuff a little bit, oh that she would have been a.
Speaker 1:She wouldn't have been like saying you translated the actors forward, it still wouldn't have been just alba. I don't think no, probably not.
Speaker 2:I think they said they want. At one point christina aguilera was considered for this, and that probably tells you everything you needed to know about that susan character that they just yeah, then, where they kind of wanted her, um, but yeah, this movie's definitely, you know, I think of those early 2000s, you know superhero movies, I think this first fantastic four movies like pretty up there with the. I guess the, the standard is probably like spider-man right, spider-man 2 x-men, x-men, one is probably time.
Speaker 2:Spider-man 2 yeah, it's definitely like the gold standard that's like 1a and then like the x-men, movies are like right here x2 is probably like 1b.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, then, probably. Then it's probably this, if you look. So we're talking like right before the mcu starts of 2007. Yeah, so what do you have? You have the two x, you have the two fantastic four movies. Yep, you have three. You have three x-men movies. Yep, you have three spider-man movies. You have a daredevil movie, you have a daredevil and electro movie and you have a blade movie. A few brilliant movies. Yep, yeah, that's, it's in the it's, it's probably in the upper middle. Is it the third best one, probably?
Speaker 2:I would say so yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1:It's probably it's x, it's, it's probably spider-man 2 and then x2, probably fantastic four, rise of the silver surfer yeah, and then probably x-men or my bad. No, I think you'd probably put Spider-Man 1 above the Fantastic Four, right? Yeah, so it would be Spider-Man 2, x2, spider-man 1.
Speaker 2:This one's probably on par with, like the first X-Men movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's probably you could. I could probably say Rise of the Silver Surfer.
Speaker 2:I think it's probably better than Daredevil.
Speaker 1:I mean Daredevil's probably at the bottom. It's close. Yeah, elektra's the worst. Elektra is objectively the worst one out of everything here. Shout out Jennifer Garner.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then X3 is probably above that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. What's worse, daredevil or X3?
Speaker 1:X3's just kind of dumb.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, it's probably Daredevil, daredevil probably works. Just because I mean you still what you get in X3, you still get an incredible Ian McKellen performance.
Speaker 1:Hugh Jackman's still Hugh Jackman.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you get some pretty compelling stuff with Rogue. Yeah, you get the juggernaut? Yeah, you do.
Speaker 1:You get American Colossus. You do get American Colossus, you do get American Colossus. Very odd choice why we couldn't just make him Russian.
Speaker 2:You got me, man, Alright. So two years after this first Fantastic Four movie, they're like well, that went pretty well, you guys want to do it again.
Speaker 1:We're going to do another one of these, but this time let's do Galactus. Let's reach deep into the comics.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're finally going to do Galactus. Great, that sounds great.
Speaker 1:He's going to be comic accurate, right? He's going to be comic accurate, right.
Speaker 2:What if hear me out they said over at 20th Century Fox. At the long corporate table. Yeah, we can't do big purple helmet Galactus. It looks ridiculous.
Speaker 1:I just imagine at the big corporate table that Kevin Feige is in the little kid chair.
Speaker 2:He's in there.
Speaker 1:He's in the room. Yeah, off to the side he was in the room during this and he's like I'll show you. I'll show you one day.
Speaker 2:I'm going to get my own Fantastic Four with hookers, just kidding. Come on, come on, man. They're like we can't do. Big purple helmet it looks ridiculous.
Speaker 1:This is a serious fantastic four movie, right remember the bit in the beginning where they couldn't, they had to fly coach. This is a serious, fantastic four movie yeah that look.
Speaker 2:We're stretching the boundaries of seriousness with the big silver guy on the surfboard. So instead of big, big purple helmet, it looks phenomenal, by the way it looks pretty good for 2007. What if we made Galactus a big cloud monster? Not even a cloud monster. He was like a torrential down front, just like a cloud, a big cumulonimbus.
Speaker 1:A little dark cumulonimbus cloud that just swallows up. He had the audacity when he was on the way to Earth, when he passed Saturn, to do the silhouette of Galactus. You cowards.
Speaker 2:Also, you know what, though? You know who's who's worse for wear for this DC. You know why? Because they looked at that and did the same thing in Green Lantern, with Parallax.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Parallax was horrible.
Speaker 2:They're like hey, man, you know what was great Cloud Galactus and Rise of the Silver Surfer. What if we did that in our Green Lantern movie?
Speaker 1:I watched Green Lantern the other day. It is an interesting film. That is something we got to talk about. Maybe before Lanterns comes out, we could talk about Green Lantern.
Speaker 2:Because that is a it's unforgivable that they looked at, they had one, marvel, already. They took the bullet and made their own cloud monster. And then DC was like what if we also did a cloud monster?
Speaker 1:what year did Green Lantern come out? In 2011, yeah wow.
Speaker 2:Silver Surfer was out for four years. They had plenty of time. So everyone comes back for this. And then we get Doug Jones as the body of the Silver Surfer and Lawrence Fishburne as the voice of the Silver Surfer. Doug Jones was sadne as the voice of the Silver Surfer.
Speaker 1:Doug Jones was sad that he couldn't just voice him. I believe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which I understand. They David Prowse'd him. They David Prowse'd him in favor of Lawrence Fishburne. I mean that's.
Speaker 1:Morpheus.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think the Silver Surfer is the best character in this movie. Yeah, he's the most compelling. He has the best art. This movie's also 90 minutes, by the way, which is nuts. That's out of control. It is Imagine a modern-day superhero movie being 90 minutes, it would've got ripped to shreds. Cats in America came close. Brave New World was close. It was at an hour 40-something, something like that, with credits yeah, not great. It says movie's 92 minutes, which is insane. Um, so yeah, I mean, leads you to believe what they cut out.
Speaker 1:Sure, a comic accurate galactus probably and a comic accurate doom, because you had a second chance. You did. You had one more chance because he goes back to laver.
Speaker 2:Doom came back in this movie, but they were like let's give him silver surface powers actually we went from giving him electric powers and now he just has the silver surface powers. We did get the fantastic car in this movie, which I think is great, but it's a Dodge because product placement.
Speaker 1:This movie is unapologetically product placement.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, I mean, everyone comes back. I think everyone's a little bit better in this than they were in the first one. Oh yeah, jessica Alba still has nothing to do. No, she regressed. Even she did regret, she became, she just became the wife in this. But I will say she does get the stuff with the silver surfer, which I think is pretty good for her, but it's like in service of the silver surfer yeah, it's the exact same.
Speaker 2:It's probably the exact same mechanism that she played for reed richards in the first one and the second one. She just serves to move along the silver surfer's character arc without because, like the silver surfer is like you remind me of my wife. I'm like, oh, here we go, yep, and she's like he's not a monster. Yeah, she gets that role. That role is I hate that role. Yeah, where it's like the soft-spoken woman character has to convince everyone that no, he's actually not a monster. We saw Shape of Water.
Speaker 1:Don't do this Tim Story. He did it though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he did. Anyway, um the human torch, silver surfer chase sequence is phenomenal, it's pretty great. It's pretty great.
Speaker 1:It's the best part of the movie. Yeah, smack dab, that'd be your middle action sequence is great. I have a, I think to the point where Shackman was just like it's too cool not to do again, but somehow, but, somehow he's making it cooler, is he?
Speaker 2:well, it's cause she's cool. She is cool, I mean she's surfing on a dust cloud, yeah she's surfing on like it looks like a singularity, yeah, but it's like, and then he makes it look like a wave cause she's a silver surfer. But no, see your point about the silver surfer in this.
Speaker 1:I think he does look pretty good man, I think it's Doug Jones as well. Wait, didn't Doug Jones play the, the creature in shape of water? Yeah, that was a subconscious callback of my green one he did.
Speaker 2:It's just pretty great. Um, I mean, what happens in this movie?
Speaker 1:the fantastic four is doing a wedding well, yeah, it's the wedding they do, though they did they overplay the wedding of sue storm and reed richards. It's much more like this. One approaches itself much more as a comedy film than the first one does yeah, like, and they don't feel.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I guess that's one of the things that kind of bothered me about these movies too is like they never feel like they're in love no, I don't think their can.
Speaker 1:Their chemistry is overtly great because, like, at some point, reed has like an emotional, like catharsis of, like wait, maybe I, maybe I do love her and maybe the science isn't as important but she also loves the silver server I don't know, man, like it's weird, like I, but she also loved dr doom at one point, did she?
Speaker 2:I never got that I don't know, I don't.
Speaker 1:Dr doom certainly thought she did do you think that he never officially asked her to be his girlfriend and, like, never kissed or anything? He was just going to propose who, dr?
Speaker 2:Doom. Yeah, that would have been much funnier. That would have been pretty good actually, I know you've been my business partner for two years.
Speaker 1:But would you like to get married? She's like no, Back away from me, they do the power switching bit. That's like the main plot point of this.
Speaker 2:Because of the Silver Surfer touched Johnny Storm and it screwed up his molecules.
Speaker 1:I don't even know, want to begin to believe how that works.
Speaker 2:I don't know it's. I don't know man, I mean, they beat that bit to death.
Speaker 1:Well, they beat the bit to death, and then they make sure Jessica Alba's naked again. Yeah, that's right Story. You're not slick, you sicko.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's still not great. It's really not. No, the power switching bit does end up becoming the crux of the final battle against Doctor Doom when they give Chris Evans. You're the main character of this, actually.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like wait, let's make the funny guy the. You know what You're going to save the day. Hey, funny guy, do the funny things Actually.
Speaker 2:No, gonna save the day. Hey, funny guy do the funny things actually. No, actually I'm gonna be the hero. Yeah, I will be the hero.
Speaker 1:Um, so the silver surfers yapping on about galactus well, yeah, silver surfer shows up to earth and he's just like yo y'all got, yo y'all got a few days left, man, um peace out, surfer out.
Speaker 2:Uh, the military's like shoot that silver surfer out of the sky. And reed richards is like, hey, you want to let us kind of handle this.
Speaker 1:And the military's like, no, no the military's like hey, reed, we want your help. And Reed's like I'm getting married.
Speaker 2:Lieutenant Holt from.
Speaker 1:Brooklyn. Captain Holt. Captain Holt. Rip to Andre Brower as well. Yeah.
Speaker 2:He's great as the general guy. Should have made him Nick Fury. Could have made him Nick Fury, that would have been probably pretty cool.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's talk to you about the Silver Surfer Initiative.
Speaker 2:The Fantastic Four Initiative. We're already the.
Speaker 1:Fantastic Four.
Speaker 2:Are we going to do a movie with the X-Men?
Speaker 1:No, no, we were planning on it.
Speaker 2:Maybe one day Wasn't that a thing, at one point it was a massive thing they were going to do all the Fox characters. We're going to do their own. We're going to do our own Avengers. And then the universe abruptly ended. That probably would have been terrible.
Speaker 1:Who do you even get to direct that? Joss Whedon, probably At the time. No, you can't. He's busy doing Avengers stuff.
Speaker 2:Oh, Singer probably does it Just because of.
Speaker 1:X-Menmen success. Yeah, yeah, he probably takes, because then well, that's because the x-men are probably, like the quasi, like main characters of that well, the fantastic four and the x-men and then daredevil and electro probably show up at some and blade probably show up to some capacity.
Speaker 2:How you get wesley snipes in that movie, I don't know no, because this is probably post blade three, where he's having like a mental breakdown and he's going to prison. They probably recast him. Actually, it's probably the most likely outcome.
Speaker 1:I mean even further than that. Affleck at that time in his life is like going to be a filmmaker now. So it's like how do you even get Affleck to come back?
Speaker 2:He would never put that suit on again, you probably just yeah, or you just do like X-Men, fantastic Four.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you leave Daredevil. It might be legit because, like, why would they be crossed over anyway with Daredevil?
Speaker 2:Yeah, what's he doing here? And then they probably just fight Doctor Doom yeah, yeah, yeah, he gets the X-Gene. Or they fight like Doctor Doom and Magneto, like they just team them up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that makes sense. Julian McMahon and Ian McKellen, that probably would have been fun. We're both oppressed?
Speaker 2:Yeah, because like Magneto and Dr Doom can't fight each other, because Magneto would just fold him like a toaster.
Speaker 1:Or, and then Julian McMahon or Dr Doom would electrocute him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, professor X probably dies. No, he already died in the next movie. No, do it again. Kill him again. Kill him again. Death taxes and Professor X getting.
Speaker 1:Wolverine probably stabs Reed Richards, but it doesn't work because he's rubber, that'd be pretty great.
Speaker 2:Speaking of getting stabbed, sue gets stabbed in this movie. She does get stabbed. Dr Doom stabs her. Mm-hmm. That's for not marrying me. And then the Silver Surfer's like no, no, here's my power. It shan't be this.
Speaker 1:He should have talked like an old Shakespearean character.
Speaker 2:That would have been, that would have played. He gets the board back and survives and brings Sue Storm back, and then Galactus is here. Yeah, the world's ending, it's over. And then the Silver Surfer's like I won't herald Galactus. Actually I'm gonna kill Galactus, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1:Galactus is kind of mid. I'm over this, galactus doesn't. I imagine this like a disgruntled employee, like Galactus doesn't give me any PTO, no time off.
Speaker 2:I may be on a board, but I'm not on board with this Galactus thing.
Speaker 1:He will be dealt with. Give me two seconds, also your yield, he flies into Galactus.
Speaker 2:Huh, that's what happens. He flies into Galactus and then kills him, presumably. What is Galactus in this? I don't know. Man, is it a being, or is it just a?
Speaker 1:thing. Well, wasn't it the thing that like, wasn't one of the theories that, like that was Tattoo? Yeah, I guess, like Galactus was inside of that cloud somewhere. We just didn't see him, because purple space suit doesn't play in 2007.
Speaker 2:That would have been wild if he would have flown into the cloud. And then you saw a comic actor, galactus played by In the mid-2000s.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, the mid-2000s. Michael Clarke, duncan, in the mid-2000s. Would you get to play Galactus? You gotta go based off voice. Can you grab Sam Elliott, or is he too like country? He's probably a little too country, he's a bit too. It's his voice, though his voice would have played. Oh, keith David. Keith David would have been the perfect. That would have been great. Keith.
Speaker 2:David would have would have went crazy. That would have been pretty good. I would have enjoyed that. Silver Surfer gets in there. He's's like oh my God, it's Keith David Wait a minute.
Speaker 1:You were Galactus this whole time, Keith David.
Speaker 2:I was, I was, I was, I was Galactus, I was Galactus and I will be Mr Bones one day and Stargirl, for some odd reason. When did Spawn come out? Was he doing Spawn at this time?
Speaker 1:Yo cross Spawn over in there too. Find a way.
Speaker 2:Oh man, that would be great, but yeah. So Silver Surfer flies in with Galactus. They both explode, presumably killing them. Both Destroys Galactus. I don't know what happens there. The post-credits scene. Well, silver Surfer stays alive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but Galactus, because he was going to get his own movie, which that probably doesn't work. It would have worked in today's day and age. They probably would have given them.
Speaker 2:I would imagine they're going to do something with the Silver Surfer in the future.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then, yeah, they, yeah. So they take Doom out, they take Galactus out. Doom gets knocked into the river, the ocean, wherever he gets knocked into Clobbering time. Chris Evans says Wallops, Dr Doom, you're all washed up, Dr Doom. Someone should have said when they dumped him into the sound. So because Johnny touched the Silver Surfer again, he's healed and he's able to redistribute the powers back out.
Speaker 2:How does that even make sense? Yeah, because wasn't the whole thing? Like, if you do this, johnny, it becomes permanent and like we're all stuck. Yeah, you're just, you're the super scroll because they couldn't use the super scroll. As the villain yeah, so they made johnny the super scroll. They gave him all the fantastic force powers which is great yeah, um, but yes, because he touched the silver surfer again. He got cured um and then reed and sue get married in japan for some reason.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't know, man, weren't they in japan? It wasn't the final battle in japan. I thought they were in china. They're close, they are close, but this is they have a fantastic car, they could fly yeah, but they fly now.
Speaker 2:they do fly now, um, and then they get the alert that Venice is sinking to the ocean. And then Reed is like, delighted by this, so that they can, so that they can get rid of the wet, like they could see. This is why I'm convinced these two aren't in love. Like they didn't, like he didn't want to be there, no, he wanted to be saving, doing Mr Fantastic thing yeah, wanted to be saving, doing mr fantastic things. Yeah, I know. And then the silver surface alive, yeah, that's rise of the silver.
Speaker 2:It's never gonna get followed. They did plan a sequel to this, but this movie did not do as well as the first one, right so?
Speaker 1:any? What did they say about the sequel?
Speaker 2:uh, I don't remember it was gonna. I don't doom was gonna be in it again yeah, because he signed on for multiple pictures yeah, and then I think silver surfer was gonna come back, so I don't know where they made. Maybe they would have done an actual galactus. Surprise, the cloud wasn't the real galactus.
Speaker 1:No, it's not as funny. Who's the best villain? Like a mole man. They finally get the rights to the moment, yeah, and they fight the mole man. The lowest stake fantastic four movie is the third one that would have been great, like, yeah, we defeated Galactus.
Speaker 2:And then like, oh, who's this guy, the Mole man? He's just minorly annoying.
Speaker 1:For like two hours he's just running amok Giganto.
Speaker 2:All right, let's see. Let's see if I can find some info. Michael Chiklis was told Ben Grimm's relationship with Alicia Masters would have had a greater focus in the third film.
Speaker 1:Kerry Washington signed that picture deal.
Speaker 2:I don't know if that would have gotten butts in seats. Um, jessica Alba wanted to bring in Franklin Richards because she was probably like give me something to do. I think I think they would have done. Oh, that's right. They wanted to bring, uh, jamin Honsu in to play Black Panther in the third movie. I'm in, I'm in.
Speaker 1:That would have been pretty cool. I'm in, he probably would have been. Really that would have created racial tension because they would have done some things that probably weren't okay.
Speaker 2:So all these people would have talked Namor, namor in the third one. Namor would have been cool. People were like I want to do this and the third one, I want to do this. And then they asked Chris Evans about it and he was like I'm pretty sure we're not doing another one.
Speaker 1:He said I'm not going to lie. This guy, kevin Feige, called me. I heard he was some small-time producer.
Speaker 2:He said I'm pretty sure we're not doing a third one, so don't ask me about this. So they don't do another one, and then so we get to 2015. Well, the MCU is running rampant. The MCU, we're in full swing. Now it's the greatest thing ever.
Speaker 1:We're in full swing now. Even the X-Men movies are hitting kind of Days of Future Past comes out in 2014 and rips.
Speaker 2:Yep, but the clock is ticking. Yeah, the clock's ticking, the clock is ticking on. Fox was like whoa.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love this whole stigma that, like Fox, has like an alarm, that like blares in the entire entertainment building. That goes we need to make another fantastic form of a stat. Quick, quick, get us the hot actors right now. Miles Teller, he was in Whiplash. Get us the guy from Chronicle, get us the guy from Chronicle.
Speaker 2:Get us the. Get us both guys from Chronicle the guy who made it and the one guy that was in it.
Speaker 1:Get us freaking, I don't know. Get us the lady from House of Cards.
Speaker 2:What did we do last time with Sue Storm? We got a hot woman. Do that again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then get Jamie Bell, and then we're good. He said why Jamie Bell? I don't know. Man, just put him in the movie.
Speaker 2:Doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:Doesn't matter, have to make this, so that's what happened um, that being the inception of this movie would be the funniest thing ever. The big alarm goes off and they just start naming actors and they're like that's good enough, we got to make this quick.
Speaker 2:What's yohan griffin doing? He's too old, you see, crap, oh crap. Chris evans, he's captain america now how tall is miles?
Speaker 1:teller about six, three, perfect. He's reed richards. Michael be jordan. Is he? Ladies think he's hot?
Speaker 2:perfect, johnny storm there's something wrong there. People are not going to be happy with that.
Speaker 1:No, we don't have time to think about that just put them there.
Speaker 2:One of them is adopted, um. So yeah, they call josh trenk up. Uh, chronicle is a good movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, heck, yeah um, maybe don't do the chronicle tone for a fantastic four movie, though. No, but they did. Yeah, it's this. So fan four stick. Is this weird science fiction? Body horror, body horror, mess, militaristic in the reshoots, nothing is colorful, no, no, the saturation was turned all the way down even the poster.
Speaker 2:I'm looking at the poster now. Everything is very dark. Yeah, the thing is actually blocking out the sun and it's posted.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't understand why you took. It's like the whole, like if you pick up a comic book and you never once looked at that and said, yeah, that's the fantastic four right there. But it's a product of the time they were trying to make like hunger games is big, maze runner is big. Like they tried to age this cast down a little bit. They're supposed to be teenagers for a little bit, I guess none of them are teenagers no, no, no.
Speaker 1:It's like the power rangers thought process. You know you're in high school, but you're 39 years old so they started developing the film in 2010.
Speaker 2:Trank was hired um, finished the film in two months and then fox was like this movie looks like shit, do it over do you think it did, or do you think fox was trying to do something? I think fox was trying to do something. I think they were trying to run the 1994 playbook again. Yeah, we?
Speaker 1:we just need to keep the rights Because the MCU is getting too good. But why would we waste all this money making the movie? I think they were trying to run the 1994 playbook again, but jokes on Fox Twitter was a thing at this time.
Speaker 2:So they couldn't bury this one, so they made him redo it and he redid it and it's bad, yeah.
Speaker 1:So they made him redo it and he redid it, and it's bad, yeah, it's not good.
Speaker 2:It's one of the worst superhero movies that's ever come out, which is crazy because by 2015 you're like we should have had this nailed by now, like we should have this should have been okay, but it wasn't even like okay, it was just bad. No, no it doesn't feel finished.
Speaker 1:It feels like this movie is chopped to absolute bits. Victor Domashev.
Speaker 2:Speaking of not knowing what to do with Doctor Doom, again we don't know what to do with Doctor Doom, in this movie, at least he's from Latveria in this movie, but they make a joke out of it.
Speaker 1:You could go back to Latverius and Tim Blake Nelson is in this movie. Tim Blake Nelson is in this movie. Tim Blake Nelson is in this movie. Is he one of the better characters in this movie as well, too. He should have been the villain of this movie.
Speaker 2:He should have been probably what goes on with Dr Doom in this.
Speaker 1:He's like a chat room bro. He's like a Reddit bro. He's just like sad in his basement, like a full begrudge against the character of Doctor Doom as well too. It's just disgusting.
Speaker 2:That was the approach. Yeah, and they give him. They basically make him in the Silver Surfer, which I think was the plan. He was going to become the Herald of Galactus, if they made like a sequel to this.
Speaker 1:Why, I don't know why can't we just do Doctor Doom as the ruler of Latveria, who sacrificed his soul or whatever to get his mom back, and then he has all these magical powers, but he's also a genius, so he has all these tech powers and he's just a powerful ruler, yeah, and this they make him, I think, like telekinetic. Yeah, he like explodes a guy's head from the inside out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what mouth? We'll get to that. We'll get to that in a minute. This movie's crazy. This movie is crazy. Everyone is pretty bad in it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yep, um although, like you know, we've made this point several times like miles teller, I think would be a hell of a evil, reed richards I think if you can sell him on coming back, like in in the fanta andakman's fantastic four, like I just imagine the council of reeds, like you have john krasinski, you have joan griffin, but you have miles teller, but you find out at the end he's the maker instead, yeah, that would be pretty freaking cool throw out the rest of the cast, though.
Speaker 2:They're great.
Speaker 1:They're great people but I didn't hate michael Jordan as Johnny.
Speaker 2:He was OK. I just again, I think just not cast properly. Yeah, yeah, I got to agree. I mean, yeah, I just don't think he's, he just doesn't, he doesn't give big, he doesn't feel like Johnny Soren, he feels that's the thing, like are you, are you, are you? Do you feel like the character, or do you feel like you just in a costume?
Speaker 1:It's him, I mean. Do you feel like the character or do you feel like you just in a costume?
Speaker 2:It's him in a costume, I mean he's just off the back of Chronicle, which is what I think. He's just Michael B Jordan. When did Creed 1 come out? The?
Speaker 1:year after, or the year before, I think, the year after, I think it's 2016. I'm very glad that he was able to get Creed.
Speaker 2:2015 is the same year.
Speaker 1:Okay, I was going to say I was like if it was laughter. I'm super glad. So good thing those two movies came out in the same year, because if Creed would have came out after, he probably wasn't playing Apollo Creed. No no that would have been. Or Adonis Creed, adonis Creed yeah, he wouldn't have played him.
Speaker 2:This movie just didn't do well, no, no, and then that was they, that was it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean people saw. People saw you know Avengers, age of Ultron. People saw you know X-Men, days of Future Past and, like you, watch this and you're like this is horrible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then the, and then like, from the Fox, the Fox and the Sony side of things like, basically like and the Netflix side of things like, by the time this movie comes out, the dominoes are already starting to fall around all these other rights issues. Um, yeah, the studios are probably like like marvel yeah, marvel's starting to get everything back and they're starting to get bulletproof like absolutely bulletproof for all intents, and purposes.
Speaker 2:I mean, I guess technically sony still hasn't fallen because they haven't technically relinquished the rights to Spider-Man. I think it could be coming. But they might as well have Might as well. Do it now. They got all the other stuff back, obviously from Netflix and all this other stuff. Fox was holding strong for a while. They were like goleming it from Lord of the Rings. It's mine, you can't have it.
Speaker 1:So yeah, at this point, what can't the MCU do? Just Spider-Man on their own and then the Hulk by himself for some odd reason.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Universal still has ties with the Hulk. How much money could that cost? Maybe Marvel just doesn't want to do anything with the Hulk? That's so odd to me it is odd, it's so odd, it's one of their most more marketable characters. It's the Hulk Like. Everybody knows who the Hulk is. Everyone knows the Hulk. Hulk Hogan yeah, just kidding.
Speaker 1:Wait a minute, wait a minute. He was in the Incredible Hulk, was he? Yeah, he was. He was one of the security guards. I don't remember that. You don't remember. He was one of the security guards at the school, oh, yeah.
Speaker 2:So finally, finally, fox had to relent. They lost the X-Men. Not only did they have to relent, they had to repent. Yeah, they lost the X-Men.
Speaker 1:Oh, they lost them.
Speaker 2:I lost the kid, I lost the Silver Surfer. That would have been the funnier bit If Fox kept the Fantastic Four but lost the Silver Surfer somehow.
Speaker 1:Marvel running rampant with a.
Speaker 2:Silver Surfer movie. You can have just Johnny Storm.
Speaker 1:Oh no, it's just like the Human Torch Riders, sisters again.
Speaker 2:We can't do this. So, yeah, marvel gets the X-Men, they get to Fantastic Four. Fox finally has to give up. At least that, at least that there's no sheer panic anymore over at Fox, because now they never have to get awoken to the the alarm bells of we have to make a fantastic for movie, quick, quick, make one. Um. So the next time we see the fantastic for is in Dr Strange and multiverse of madness. Yeah, we see the fantastic four is in dr strange, the multiverse of madness. Yeah, yeah, insane right they?
Speaker 1:they did the fan cast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they did for years and years and years and years. After this movie comes out, people were like, you know, it would be a great reed richards for some reason. John krasinski, why did?
Speaker 1:that ever gain traction. Maybe I was on that fan bus too.
Speaker 2:Maybe I wanted this is it just because he kind of looked like Reed Richards? Yes, what was the deal there?
Speaker 1:Yes, what was?
Speaker 2:the appeal Cause he was tall. Huh, I never saw, I never got it. I never got. I guess I never got the like. I thought it would be fine if it was like a thing, like if they ended up doing it like I would have been. I was clamoring for John Krasinski to be Reed Richards.
Speaker 1:I can see why in hindsight I guess hindsight's 20-20, because just thinking about him in a full production of a movie now, as Reed Richards it would have to your point, it would have been fine. I just don't think it would have been the greatest thing ever.
Speaker 2:So there's loose fantastic fourisms. In Multiverse of Madness, the alternate, christine Palmer, is working for the baxter foundation, um, and then, of course, reed richards shows up in multiverse of madness uh, presumably franklin and valeria richards live in that universe oh, we know they do. Yeah, because wanda asks about them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's so there's no one left to raise them Huh.
Speaker 2:Do you have children? Yes, is your wife still alive? Yes, she is Good, and there will be someone left to raise them. Emily Blunt was somewhere like Huh, abandon ship. Reed Richards, gotta go. Man. The smartest man alive, they said.
Speaker 1:He wasn't. He's kind of dumb. Bring him back in Fantastic four dune's day. Bring him back, sure, reed richards. I think that'd be fun. Do kill him again for comedic purposes yeah, that was well.
Speaker 2:We've talked about the illuminati sequence and, in multiverse of madness it's not it's not great. It's the worst of this of the marvel fan service yeah, and we've talked to people about it.
Speaker 1:We're like isn't it cool? I'm like it derails the entire film because you guys don't like to have directors cook and it's gross misuse of every single one of those characters it also looks like a completely different film yeah, it's a yeah and it's a just a gross misuse of every single one of those characters. Yeah, black bull probably is the most accurate, because he doesn't talk, yeah, until he tries to talk and then he explodes his head. And then he gets his head exploded. Nobody cares about Photon, captain Carter. We're done with Captain Carter.
Speaker 2:Guys, stop trying to make Captain Carter, she's an industry plant.
Speaker 1:She is an industry plant. Why is Captain Carter such a thing? She's an industry plant. She is an industry plant. Why is Captain Carter such a thing?
Speaker 2:She's coming back for Secret Wars. Cut it out, reed Richards. There's nothing, reed Richards, about what goes on in that movie.
Speaker 1:No, they just say he's the smartest man alive. He clicks a button, a portal opens. That's probably the biggest Reed Richards-isms that we've gotten.
Speaker 2:He does a stretch for a hot second before he's turned into pasta. Yeah, that's it. That's Reed Richards. Professor X gets a little bit more to do? Yeah, but in classic Professor X fashion he is obliterated.
Speaker 1:Yeah, how many times is Professor X going to die? Patrick Stewart specifically.
Speaker 2:Just in movies alone. I think he's died three or four times.
Speaker 1:Yeah, logan, just in movies alone, I think he's died three or four times.
Speaker 2:Yeah, logan, he dies in Logan. He dies in Multiverse of Madness. He dies in X3. He dies in. What else does he die? I mean, he dies in X-Men, the Animated Series, but then you find out that he didn't. Yeah, he dies a lot. He's probably going to die in Avengers doomsday also. Yeah, yeah yeah um, and then the last. The most recent iteration of the fantastic four is chris evans returned in deadpool wolverine. Yep, that was fun. That was fun.
Speaker 1:They just let him be chris evans, they let him be johnny storm chris evans too. Yeah, like that. Like that was probably the best example of somebody coming back years later. I'm like, oh, you're the same. That's definitely the same guy, like an older jerkish version. He's been yeah, he's been in the void for however long Makes sense. He probably did something. He probably was messing around with Reed's tech and got himself in the wrong situation.
Speaker 2:And then he gets obliterated by Cassandra Dova.
Speaker 1:It's 2025. Fantastic Four.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then we get this, and now we're getting this movie finally.
Speaker 1:Man. The fan casting is probably more relevant than the actual movie itself. This was crazy. That was a nuts era, the fan casting era for this movie.
Speaker 2:Wild.
Speaker 1:Man. I still love the Adam Driver. Margaret, remember when we thought this was going to be the cinema version.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, that still loved the Adam Driver Margaret. Remember when we thought this was going to be the cinema version? Well, yeah, that's. The other thing too is not just was this movie fan casted to death, it was also like confirmed at confirmed, quote, unquote, like multiple times, that there was one cast. There was this cast that was gonna be announced. There was this cast that was gonna be announced, to the point where I posited the idea that you don't show the cast until the first trailer.
Speaker 1:You could never do it in modern cinema. No, but it would have been hilarious. Yeah, imagine we didn't know. And like Pedro Pascal's, the biggest star in the world. And then Pedro Pascal shows up and you read Richard's and you're like what?
Speaker 2:the yeah, this, and not just everything about this MCU version of Fantastic Four has been a wild. John Watts was directing it at one point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, he was the Spider-Man guy, you get them. You get them to do another classic MC or a classic Marvel team. He was announced at a D23. It was like the biggest deal and we were like on board and then, like I rewatched no Way Home and I was like wait actually wait.
Speaker 2:Then on board and then, like I re-watched, no way home and I was like wait, actually wait then john watts was like you know what?
Speaker 1:I don't want to do this. No, he was told that he was retired.
Speaker 2:I thought you were retired, retired, and then they tapped matt shackman to do this damn thing and what a what a pull.
Speaker 1:And like I loved when we figured out what Matt Shatman directed in his career, we're like wait a minute, this guy is awesome.
Speaker 2:He's done the best episodes of Game of Thrones. Breaking Bad he's done Breaking Bad. That's all you need.
Speaker 1:That's literally all you need. And then he did WandaVision, which upon rewatches freaking great.
Speaker 2:So then they're like yeah, he's doing this, which is freaking great. So then they're like yeah, he's, he's doing this, which is great. Um, and then yeah, the casting thing.
Speaker 1:Man, this was wild adam driver. Driver margot robbie, who was with them, who was supposed to play johnny, oh, um, was it dacre montgomery, I think so, yeah, yeah. And then Daveed I forget his last name was supposed to play Ben and we were like is this cinema? Are they doing a cinema version? Killian Murphy was rumored for Doctor Doom. Mm-hmm, which Marvel. You could still do it. That would still be great. I still think your choice for Matt Smith to play Dr Doom post.
Speaker 2:Oh, paul Mescal was. Oh, paul Mescal, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 1:Paul Mescal is John. Paul Mescal is surprisingly younger than everybody thinks he is. He's not 38.
Speaker 2:He's just Irish, he's just Irish. So, yeah, yeah, that was. And then, yeah, daveed Diggs was going to be.
Speaker 1:Ben.
Speaker 2:Graham, yeah, so that was crazy, that was going to happen. That was like we were going to. That was going to happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we were talking we were like Adam Driver in another franchise. But if they treat him right this time it would be kind of cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, man, I mean and then they just kind of rebuilt it and then again to your point, like there was gonna be a, then we were gonna get this cast that we had, and then it was gonna be matt smith as reed richards, and then that was like, apparently, like that was like a done deal, like that was happening, it's good it was like a weird science version which I would have been super into.
Speaker 1:Um, then it changed.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think the earliest yeah, then it changed yeah I think the earliest, earliest one was john krasinski and emily blunt. That was like the very, very early. I think dacre montgomery, like that, was like the very, very early and it made sense. We're like, okay, if john krasinski plays reed richards, I mean that makes the most sense. He already was. And the end, and that was like the biggest fan casting emily blunt's already his Like it makes absolute sense that the two of them would be there. Yeah, montgomery, to Joseph Quinn's point, was hot off, stranger things, yeah. And then you can kind of there was an actor that they had for for Ben that I was oh well, it was Jason Segel. It was Jason Segel for for Ben Grimm and I was like, wait a minute, this can be cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, that could have been, that could have been really cool, but that also, and then, yeah, and then I think that started to fall apart once they kept asking emily blunt about it and she was like not interested, like she literally kept saying, like I don't want to do a superhero movie, I just don't want to do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it probably soured on her as time went on to yeah, no, superhero thing, the superhero thing.
Speaker 2:It's a big commitment, man. Yeah, a lot of these actors don't want to get stuck for look what happened to Mahershala Ali. Yeah, yeah, like he only kind of just got it going again with Jurassic, you know.
Speaker 1:Jurassic World. Hey, you're talking about a two-time Oscar winner in him as well, too.
Speaker 2:the person that was supposed to like it, seemingly you too yeah seemingly he's been in limbo for however many years, yeah, since yeah, it was he was.
Speaker 1:It was um shang chi, barbie, and then the guy just avengers avengers like I just don't understand, so I can understand her perspective.
Speaker 2:100, sure I'm not wanting to do it.
Speaker 1:She's a high cinema actor. She did jungle cruise touche I love. I believe one around here watch Edge of Tomorrow. That's a great movie. That is a incredible movie.
Speaker 2:Let Tom Cruise make his 12 movies before he's done and then we finalized, you know, the dominoes all kind of fell at once. And then the big, the big earth shattering news was what was the three?
Speaker 1:first it was Vinny Kirby, which was weird, yeah, and Evan Mosbach, and I think it's because you made this point a long time ago. You were like there's no way they could have just gotten the best actor available at the time. Schedules probably had to work out correctly. Obviously he was going to be in the Last of Us much less as well too, yeah, so it per like. He probably just finished on gladiator. It was like a perfect storm. Um, obviously, come on man. Uh, the mandalorian. Obviously they pivoted to the movie instead of the tv show, so less time for him. I was like, wait a minute. Can we just ask the best, like the most famous actor on the planet right now, if he could just be reed richards? Insane to think that it wouldn't work and I'm looking at myself in the mirror as well too, because I wasn't. I wasn't like obviously I'm very high on Pedro Pascal, but at the time I was like I don't know if he's Reed Richards. And then the first trailer came out.
Speaker 2:I said that's exactly Reed Richards actually yeah, so they get the end of Pedro Pascal. The news, the news drops Pedro Pascal is playing Reed Richards in the Fantastic Four. The world exploded. The world exploded, the world exploded. There was outrage, there was love and admiration, and then it was on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was on. The marketing was pretty cool. They really were dropping nuggets over the last two years.
Speaker 2:And then they really started ramping up the idea that this was going to be different.
Speaker 1:The first one was the first concept art that they released on the Marvel official page. It was like them, but you can tell it was the 1960s and you're like OK, now, that's cool, they're going right back 1963, the comic origin year. They're going right back, which was cool. And then it just kept progressing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, was this going to be a alternate earth? Was this gonna be set in the mcu like modern 60s time um? And then they were just like no, this is like an alternate universe, retrofuturism piece, right. And I was, as soon as I saw that I'm like I'm in, this is great, like this, perfect um. And then, yeah, we found out like they were gonna do the robot was gonna be in this um. And then I guess coming off of that was the we're doing galactus and but we are doing galactus. And everyone was like, okay, are you allowed to do galactus fox? Was like okay, are you allowed to do Galactus? Fox was like no way. No way, they can't do that. They can't do it it looks ridiculous.
Speaker 1:And then Ralph Inneson spoke and then the whole Fox building shut and they were like, oh crap.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they said we're doing Galactus and we're doing the Shala Ball, lady Silver Surfer. And everyone was like the Lady Silver Surfer and then Kevin Feige's.
Speaker 1:He's like shut up, nerds. It's not the main 616.
Speaker 2:She's been a lady before? Yeah, she has. And I was like, urgh, and we're going to get Julia Garner, who is great, mm-hmm. And they're like, all right, well, we don't like this, but we'll hear it out, yeah, and then they heard her out and they were like, wait a minute, wait a minute.
Speaker 1:I Harold your end.
Speaker 2:The most aggressive hear me out of all time, the lady silver server. People were like wait a minute, maybe I kind of wanted to destroy the earth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, is this the worst thing that could actually happen?
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, and then I mean everything about this movie that's, that's been kind of released so far as it looks stellar, Um, right down to the fact that the Galactus stuff is practical it was wild.
Speaker 1:They had Ralph Ines in 60-something year old or 50-something or 60-something year old Ralph Ines in a freaking suit walking around that set.
Speaker 2:Walking around that set, walking around like these miniature cities, stomping around. What were they cooking in this film? And then, yeah, we've gotten so many different looks and trailers and every single one just looks great keeps looking better and better.
Speaker 1:I really can't wait for this. I mean, I think you know paying the sins for jessica alba, the messa kirby looks like counter incredible as Sue Storm like that's. It's the casting, I think is the it's the best. I think I'm most excited for Evan Moss Bachrock, especially like he's the best thought process you can have to approach the thing with. Like crazy that a fantastic four promo just popped on my phone as soon as we were talking about it and it looks the thing like his the thing look and design looks amazing oh, I'll never forget when the first trailer dropped and we were like, wait a minute, did they just do comic?
Speaker 2:accurate, ben grim, and it's okay it's, it's unsettling to look at because of how comic book accurate it looks. Yes, um, and then everybody I think we've seen we've seen plenty of the four of them now where it feels like they all kind of get the characters.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think Reed and Pedro Pascal did the Vanity Fair interview and I think his approach to Reed Richards is correct, for lack of a better term, like he is a bit cold, like he is a little too smart for his own good. You know, obviously Ben is like the rock of the team, johnny. Even in the last promo for Johnny, he's referring to himself in the third person as well too. Um, and then you know, obviously reed or uh, who did I get sue? Johnny ben. Like reed seems like this, like out of place, like the only reason he's not the maker is because of sue storm, like that's the point yeah, I mean that that that press conference I think scene is is so poignant, it literally hits all of them.
Speaker 1:When you, when you watch it like ben's, like I'm gonna tell you, like I'm gonna tell you the truth and like read too much is telling the truth, like in an end of the world scenario, you probably wouldn't want the president to come out and be like, hey guys, the the world is like, yeah, it's they ask him like you know what happened with Galactus?
Speaker 2:And then, um, you know, did you beat him or whatever? And the Ben's like no, and then Johnny's like but we will. Yeah, oh, you're just like we will don't don't.
Speaker 1:Having science to the galactus is a tough. He's a tough, he's a tough sell, he's a tough sell. Do you think that reed, like they like galactus, like I want that kid and reed's like he thought about it and then, and then sue was like reed and jesus like you can't have our son. My wife said no, my wife said no, galactus was like.
Speaker 2:I sure would like it, though, and Reed's like honey, are we sure? And Galactus is like. Well, I guess I got to destroy the world now. So dang it All right. How old is the kid?
Speaker 1:A year Maybe.
Speaker 2:I'll see you later.
Speaker 1:I'll see you later.
Speaker 2:Then he got back and he was like and then, yeah, I mean I think that that sequence is it feels incredibly chilling. Yeah, that sequence is it feels incredibly chilling. Yeah, when they ask him are we safe? And he's like are we safe? I don't know, see you later. Yeah, see you later.
Speaker 1:I've been Reed Richards With another Fantastivision program. Yeah, and then.
Speaker 2:The marketing on this movie. Marketing's incredible man From like the press. Now they're doing fake press releases.
Speaker 1:Yep, they're doing like Time Magazine's man of the year, reed richards. Yeah, which is fun. Um, yeah, like the 1960s x like promos, like products.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, marvel studios prevents the fantastic four my fantastic vision um, yeah, shackman's talked a lot about how he's shot this movie. He said expect the aspect ratio to change when Galactus appears on screen.
Speaker 1:I need to see that in the largest IMAX imaginable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and this movie was shot for IMAX too, which I think is pretty great. So yeah, we're a week away from. The hierarchy of power in the Marvel Universe is about to change, it seems it's because Pedro Pascal is such a darn adorable guy. I guess technically the appearance of the Fantastic Four after Deadpool Wolverine was in the Thunderbolts.
Speaker 1:Technically, yeah, it was just a ship. We don't care.
Speaker 2:Are they?
Speaker 1:in it. Yes, cut it out, nerds. They're in the ship.
Speaker 2:Galactus is in the ship. No, that would suck. You've been tricked.
Speaker 1:You've been tricked. Avengers, we're the B-Vengers, though we're not the Pre-Vengers. We're the Avengers. That guy's playing Dr Doom now, just so you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so what's going on? Is he showing up in this at the end?
Speaker 1:Maybe not fully him, maybe just a silhouette of him, but like I just think it would be grossly idiotic not to put him in the post-credits scene of this movie. It's a Fantastic Four movie yeah, dr Doom's gotta be around. Yeah. And like also, like I wouldn't if I was the MC, like I wouldn't overtly complicate his origin Like man, just have him be from that universe.
Speaker 2:So, yes, like man just have him be from that universe.
Speaker 1:So yes, if you've been living under a rock, robert dinah jr is playing, he's back. I will never forget that. That was insane. I'll never forget where I was. I was getting texted out of the loo. Did you see the news? I said who died man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was nuts, what a swing.
Speaker 1:One swing when the first photo of him as dr doom comes out, the internet is going to annihilate itself yeah, um, I don't know man, I don't know what happens there, but yes, I do think just have them be from their universe, Like I. I just think this whole idea where they're going to try to like what it's going to do If you have an outside of the MCU and their universe, I'm going to be like I don't care, Like I don't, I don't really care.
Speaker 2:No, I think he should, absolutely. I mean, and their own kind of established, uh, weird dimensional lore. Like characters don't have to look the same to be the same person. No, like Spider-Man solved that problem Right, fantastic Four is also solving that problem, because Pedro Pascal is not John Krasinski, obviously, which is not Ewan Griffin.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Who's not. Yeah, so I mean, all this stuff, they all look. Everyone can look different and it'd be fine. So so I feel like if they just want Robert Downey Jr to be Victor Von Doom, he can Right Um, and then yeah, I mean, but I mean to the same point, like if he's going to come over to the main 616 and he finds out that, you know, iron man looks like him Sure.
Speaker 1:He can exploit that to his advantage. Yeah, I think what that movie's probably going to look like is the multiverse is collapsing. Because the multiverse is collapsing.
Speaker 2:It's been collapsing for a while. Yeah, doctor Strange is dealing with it, I guess.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's odd that there's no Doctor Strange.
Speaker 2:Maybe they're going to do a Doctor Strange movie in between Doomsday and Scream no, he's going to show up at the end of Doomsday like Childish Gambino. On that episode of Community with the pizza.
Speaker 1:I'm back from the dark dimension. Why are there two universes left? Why are you guys fighting?
Speaker 2:Heaven Clear. Come through a portal and Dr Strange has got like a pizza in his hand. Yeah, like an interdimensional pizza.
Speaker 1:Come on, guys. I wanted to surprise you guys at the Avengers Tower. Who are these Avengers? These aren't the Avengers that I know.
Speaker 2:I was gone for five minutes. You were gone for 50 years, Dr James.
Speaker 1:What? Yeah, there's two universes left, man. This movie, plus Doomsday and Secret Wars, are going to be insane. Are they going to get a famous actor to play adult? Franklin Richards? Probably by Secret Wars, robert Downey Jr, come on, man.
Speaker 2:Ewan Griffin.
Speaker 1:No, chris Evans, that'd be funny. That would be funny. Timothee Chalamet is Franklin Richards. Scorsese said don't do superhero things. So he's not going to do it, he's doing Doom. He already is a god in Dune. Just play a god in the MCU.
Speaker 2:Not that different. I mean, I'm excited for Fantastic Four, I'm in, I'm all the way in Me too. It's like I'm coming down from the Superman high and now I'm. It's like a roller coaster. I'm entering the Fantastic Four hype now and now I'm entering the Fantastic Four hype now. I'm like wait, this movie's coming out next week. It is coming out next week, wow, wow, oh. And the great Michael Giacchino is doing the score for this movie, by the way.
Speaker 1:This movie's going to slap man. This movie's going to slap. I'm a little mad at the runtime. I don't know why every superhero movie needs to be hard-stopped at two hours now. I don't know why every superhero movie needs to be hard stopped at two hours Now. I don't understand why that's the thing. Yeah, it's a money thing, it's it's, it's overtly a money thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, full, full confidence, full confidence in this movie, which is not something I say too too often, no, but like sometimes again, like sometimes, you just know Right, you just get the feeling about everything involved.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm super keen to see Pedro Pascal as Reed Richards.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think this movie's done. I think people are saying, oh, they're giving too much away in the trailers. Not really, no.
Speaker 1:I still don't know how this is going to end. I don't know how they're going to beat Galactus. I don't know. You don't even know what he looks like. No no, his eyes opened in that last promo. I was like dog, this guy is going to be an issue. He tried to talk to Galactus. He told us to go kick rocks. Yeah, he told us to get lost. He said where's your son? We're not giving him up Killing everyone.
Speaker 2:then he got nothing to say and nothing to talk about. Then I want the child. I would like to see the baby.
Speaker 1:Franklin, richards and Grogu. I want the child.
Speaker 2:I would like to see the baby. No.
Speaker 1:Then I'm going to kill everyone.
Speaker 2:I'm sending the Silver Surfer. Please don't. I'm sending the Silver Surfer to let you know that your world is about to be annihilated. Please don't. And now I'm going to annihilate it. Please don't. I will. You think the Silver Surfer is going to team up with them at the end?
Speaker 1:One. Truly, I think that Silver Surfer is going to sacrifice herself Again. Yeah, but she's going to be dead for real.
Speaker 2:She's going to fly into Galactus' mouth and explode To invoke to honor the 2007 Silver Surfer movie Flies and Galactus is like. The 2007 Silver Surfer movie Flies and glides, galactus is like.
Speaker 1:They need to bet where he's like grabbing his stomach and then he explodes. He just falls over. Yeah, no, I think Galactus is going to give one stroke and then just teleport away.
Speaker 2:What if she, like, goes to fly down and he just walks her?
Speaker 1:away. There's a non-zero chance that that actually happens and you're like, ooh, ouch, I want to see Galactus fight Arishem. Oh, that'd be great For the rights to Franklin.
Speaker 2:Richards, that'd be tremendous. Just two big space gods just duking it out, just grabs a moon, just crashes it over someone's head That'd be tremendous. But yeah, I'm looking forward to this. For all things considered, I'm looking forward to Avengers Doomsday as well, yep, and I think the thing that I'm most, I'm just most, here's the thing, what'd you say? I'm going to say the thing, ben, I'm just interested to see. I'm just most, here's the thing. I'm just what'd you?
Speaker 2:say, I'm gonna say the thing, Ben, I'm just interested to see. I'm just interested to see these characters. Yeah, I think is is ultimately like what I'm mostly looking forward to Yep.
Speaker 1:Um, yeah, and how, these, how? This cast kind of embodies them yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, man, that's great. Yeah, that's crazy. This movie's out next week. I can't, I can't believe it.
Speaker 1:Um, so we'll see. We'll see what happens, feel surreal, like clouded my brain so much and it was such a great movie and like we're gonna get another great movie. See, if you let, if you let people cook, if guys aren't mean to each other online all the time, we get two movies like this two weeks apart from each other. Right, yeah, be, let people cook Studios, let the creators cook.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1:It's crazy that we're here, yeah, and we talked about how Superman is equally as important to the DC as Fantastic Four is to the MCU right now Not Marvel, but the MCU itself. Both those movies need to hit. Superman's doing its job. Fantastic Four's got to finish strong.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then you know the implications of what that means for the rest of the MCU will be discussed heavily.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, because you're getting a Spider-Man movie and then it's, and then it's on.
Speaker 2:Then we get our first Avengers movie since 2018. 19.
Speaker 1:2019, yeah, are they going to delay it again, you think, because what is it supposed to come out in 2027? Now, 2026. I think they're going to just delay it until the summer, because the only reason they might keep that spot is because there's no Avatar movie that December, but it still has the same day as dune 3, which dune 3 inevitably is going to move. They might, unless doomsday takes, you know, unless doomsday ends up taking the 2027, like april or may 2027, which, for all intents and purposes, like I don't think another six months, is going to kill anybody yeah, I just have man, I just have to imagine just thinking about the dr doom stuff, like if the fantastic four is going to kill anybody.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just have man, I just have to imagine just thinking about the Dr Doom stuff, like if the fantastic four are going to be in doomsday, they have to have some awareness of Dr Doom right?
Speaker 1:Well, I just think it's simple Like that universe already, like the eight to eight universe they're in already feels so lived in, yeah, why as well, just have dr doom be there, be their doom, and like they already had, like they defeated him and then he just went back to live area and he's been plotting, and then he just followed he just followed them over, yeah, and then he's just like no, I will amass ultimate power based off of this and, like in that universe, he looks like that's what happened to tony stark in that universe.
Speaker 1:he didn't turn into tony stark, he turned into victor von doom instead. Simple, like you're done. You don't have to explain anything, only lore that you can say is that Tony Stark was never adopted by Howard Stark. I hope Jeffrey Wright shows up as the Watcher and just explains it so people can shut up.
Speaker 2:And he's the one that can kind of come over and kick Reed while he's down Mm-hmm, Like you failed, failed again.
Speaker 1:I've always been smarter than you. They're similar in age too, like I just think it's.
Speaker 2:It's mutually perfect yeah, for sure, really looking forward to it, that's all I can really say. So that's it. That's the Fantastic Four. We're finally going to get a good one after 30 years. We're going to get a great.
Speaker 1:What about the one from the 90s Could have been?
Speaker 2:good, we don't know. We'll never know for sure. That's it, though that's gonna do it for us this week. You can follow us on Twitter at projectnf underscore pod. You can follow us on Facebook. You can follow us on Instagram At the Project Infinite pod.
Speaker 2:You can follow us on TikTok and youtube at the project infinite podcast. Next time you hear from us, it will be to review fantastic four insane um, which will be in a little, in a little while court's going on vacation, so we'll have the. We'll reconvene to review the movie after that. Yeah, um, but that will be the next time you hear from us is to review that movie.
Speaker 1:Even we get vacations as the world famous podcasters.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, the Silver.
Speaker 1:Surfer does not get vacation time. Nope, I want to go take a vacation to Saturn Denied.
Speaker 2:Unless I, unless I can blow Saturn up. Yeah, can I blow Saturn up after you take a.
Speaker 1:but what if I want to revisit Saturn after the fact? Not my problem. Go get me that dang intergalactic baby immediately. Tough in these streets for the Silver Surfer. You know what I always think about. It's looking back on everything. It's the whole Spider-Man holding a person in a coma. I'm going to do that bit twice in a row. A person in a coma wakes up and Franklin Richards is being abducted by Galactus in a Fantastic Four movie set in the 60s, right before they all team up in Avengers Doomsday to fight the Avengers. The Fantastic Four and the X-Men are all fighting Doctor Doom. That person said wasn't there just an Incredible Hulk movie that just came out? Edward Norton's still the Hulk, isn't he? Look, look. And on the show, come on, look man. I don't know how to tell you this. Collateral's own Mark Ruffalo is now Bruce Banner. Oh, I hate collateral.
Speaker 2:Who was also almost Doctor Doom in the 2005 movie. That would have been something. That would have been something Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:I love how movies have this domino effect. That can happen if one thing changes, that has the biggest moves. A chair Tom Cruise is Iron man if one chair moves. Kevin Feige is the president of DC Studios if one chair moves. I love thinking like that yeah, diamond Hansu's Black Panther, that could have been good. I think that would have been kind of cool. Is he cooly like that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, diamond Hansu's Black Panther, that could have been good. I think that would have been kind of cool. Is he cool? He's always cool. He's cool in everything. Yeah, he is. He's even cool in Shazam.
Speaker 1:He is cool in Shazam.
Speaker 2:The weird wizard man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he is a weird wizard man who turns into Wonder Woman at one point. Yeah, he does. And then Zachary Levi turned out to be just a weird man.
Speaker 2:Yep, I'm glad he's dead.
Speaker 1:No in the movie. No, they brought him back to life.
Speaker 2:Wonder Woman brought him back to life. Remember, remember that bit, the end of Shazam 2, when she showed up, she was in the end of that.
Speaker 1:Wow, rip the DCEU.
Speaker 2:You were something you were something that weird Flash movie, Two Aquaman movies.
Speaker 1:Talos? No, they did get. They got two Aquaman movies before they got a man of Steel sequel. Hey man, that Aquaman movie made a billion dollars we got two Aquaman movies and two Wonder Woman movies before we got one Batman solo movie. What a wild time. We got two Suicide Squad movies before we got one Batman movie.
Speaker 2:Yep, yep, it's wild.
Speaker 1:It's wild. It's wild, man. We got a Birds of Prey movie before we got a Batman movie. Hey man, that Birds of Prey movie is pretty good. It's probably. I got my super hot take. We have to, probably. We probably have to memorialize the DCEU at some point as well. Oh, yeah, yeah, we will, because it's dead now. Yeah, we probably have to do like an in memoriam for how many movies were in the DCEU 13. It was that many Because, all right, man of Steel, Batman vs Superman, the Suicide Squad we're not counting Justice League, because we're just going to use Schneider's, like that Justice League. But Zack Schneider's, justice League, suicide Squad, the other one. So the Suicide Squad. Two Wonder Womans, two Aquamans, the other one. So the Suicide Squad. Two Wonder Womans, two Aquamans, the Flash Birds of Prey Did you say Batman vs Superman? Mm-hmm, I'm missing something. Green Lantern doesn't count. No, it doesn't. Man of Steel on, there's a movie I'm missing in there. There's something that I didn't say. Oh, black, adam, black, adam.
Speaker 2:Black Adam, oh, and then the two Shazam movies. So 14.
Speaker 1:And Blue Beetle Does it count? Yeah, I don't think Blue Beetle counts, it counts.
Speaker 2:Does it Sure? It came out before.
Speaker 1:Aquaman, I guess it does count. So 15 DCEU movies, what a legacy Stupid Flash movie.
Speaker 2:I hate that movie so much, it's so bad I. What a legacy Stupid Flash movie. I hate that movie so much, it's so bad, it's bad. I don't like it. All right, we're getting out of here before I get mad Flash retrospective next week.
Speaker 1:It's still bad. Remember when that was our 100th episode.
Speaker 2:I'll do it by myself, actually, solo. I'm going to go full Colin Cowherd next week. Come on, man, I'm going to do two hours by my thumb on the flash and just rant. Alright, guys, we'll see you, not next week necessarily, but next time, where we'll be reviewing.
Speaker 1:We're going to be reusing the Fantastic Four, much like Fox did multiple times.
Speaker 2:We're going to be reviewing Fantastic Four 2005. The first steps yeah, fantastic Four, first Steps review will be our next episode.
Speaker 1:Oh, Galactus gets that kid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he could raise it better actually.
Speaker 1:Yeah, franklin, no, they're gonna do. You know what would be sick If they get an older actor to play Franklin Richards and he makes Galactus' Herald, like in the Hickman Room. That was probably one of the top five most insane comic book moments of all time. And that's saying something. President richard, be like you know what galactus you work for me now, dog galactus, like I gotta respect it, man, I don't know what to say. Is he cool?
Speaker 2:is he cool? He is cool. I herald his beginning. What'd you say wait?
Speaker 1:what's she cooking? A lot A Harold Juran. We about to die. What's?
Speaker 2:she saying that other bit Tell your loved ones all the things that you didn't get a chance to say.
Speaker 1:Uh-oh when it's like I actually don't love you, Sue. I love the game, I love science.
Speaker 2:There's going to be a lot of bad confessions that come out of that which she says, that she that to be like. I'm sorry, I cheat on you, you, what, you, what you hear off screen. People are just getting murdered it's the retro future, 1960s.
Speaker 1:People are quitting their jobs. No, the fantastic four is going to save them. I think there's going to be an arc where mole man becomes a hero, which I think is going to be incredible interesting.
Speaker 2:Where's this, where's this theory coming from? Well, they're all underground.
Speaker 1:They'd probably make a deal with Mole man and be like hey, you're not a bad guy.
Speaker 2:No, Reed Richards is a bad dealmaker. We already know this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you could have just gave him your son and saved 7 billion people. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm waiting for that spin by one of those people in the media in the 60s.
Speaker 1:Just the headline. Give them the sun question mark.
Speaker 2:Here's the thing, here's the thing, someone shows up. I don't know whoever the 1960s retrofuturistic version of Tucker Carlson was. Come on, man.
Speaker 1:But he'd be the one to spin it. We got that character in Superman. Actually, Do you really need a sun? I would like our sun, because if we're dead we can't have it.
Speaker 2:He's not thinking of the greater good is all I'm saying. All right, we're going to get out of here Until then from me, from the Careful man, From the.
Speaker 1:There's one specific character that would be real bad if you said I was like no, I was going to.
Speaker 2:You're the Michael Chiglis of the podcast.
Speaker 1:I thought you were going to say Michael B Jordan.
Speaker 2:No, Michael Chiklis. Michael Chiklis is great. I thought you were going to say Yohan. Griffin, I thought about it, but then I feel like I don't know. Michael Chiklis has got a little bit more oomph to him. He's great. Everyone loves Michael Chiklis. Yo he's actually hilarious in those movies. Yeah, he's tremendous, he's fantastic, but he's also not an idiot.
Speaker 1:No, Especially in the first one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly. All right, guys, we'll see you for Fantastic Four. It's going to be a good time. Until then, peace. Oh, I said your thing, goodbye.
Speaker 1:No, we're in an alternate universe.
Speaker 2:We switched powers yeah.
Speaker 1:We no it's. We're in an alternate universe.
Speaker 2:We switch powers, we switch powers. One of us came in contact with the silver server and we switched powers we came in contact with shallow ball wood. That's all I'm saying. Alright, we're out of here. We already did the goodbye bit, so we're stopping.
